I love watching topping because....

[retroboy]

I enjoying watching men topping t girls because I like watching men being dominant when they have sex. Does anyone prefer watching men being topped or topping I prefer obviously men doing the topping what other posters reasons one way or the other?

[lordworm]

I don't like seeing tgirls topping unless they are with other tgirls.

[stan.smith]

I dont bottom.

[algebra1900]

I enjoying watching men topping t girls because I like watching men being dominant when they have sex. Does anyone prefer watching men being topped or topping I prefer obviously men doing the topping what other posters reasons one way or the other?

Both, always both. To me someone saying they don't top, or they don't bottom is ignorant. It is the same as saying you don't date mexican men, or black girls, or black guys, or asian guys. I understand a lot of the Tgirls don't want to feel "masculine/dominant", or want to feel as "feminine/submissive" as possible when they are having sex, but whatever, that is just stupid. Human beings have the ability to play the dominant and submissive role, to be masculine and feminine. Sure you might like to be dominant more than submissive, but at least some of the time you should do both. All men and women have the ability to show these qualities whenever they want, and it is a shame a lot of people don't explore these range of feelings.

[lordworm]

The only one sounding ignorant here is you.

[algebra1900]

I don't like seeing tgirls topping unless they are with other tgirls.


The only one sounding ignorant here is you.

Then explain why you don't like seeing men get topped?

[lordworm]

It turns me off cause I don't like men. I always watch from the tops perspective cause I don't bottom.

[algebra1900]

It turns me off cause I don't like men. I always watch from the tops perspective cause I don't bottom.

So why is it only a problem when the man is being submissive? Otherwise if the man is being dominant you don't have a problem with a man in the scene? DO you see what I'm getting at?

[fred41]

So why is it only a problem when the man is being submissive? Otherwise if the man is being dominant you don't have a problem with a man in the scene? DO you see what I'm getting at?

I think I get it...when I watch porn, the fantasy often involves putting myself in the role of the male character. I believe lordworm is saying the same thing...ergo, he doesn't like watching porn with a dude being topped because, since he doesn't enjoy doing that act himself...he can't relate to the scene - the fantasy doesn't work for him then, so there's no point in him watching it. he doesn't like it.
Makes sense to me.

[Quiet Reflections]

I think I get it...when I watch porn, the fantasy often involves putting myself in the role of the male character. I believe lordworm is saying the same thing...ergo, he doesn't like watching porn with a dude being topped because, since he doesn't enjoy doing that act himself...he can't relate to the scene - the fantasy doesn't work for him then, so there's no point in him watching it. he doesn't like it.
Makes sense to me.
i feel that same way. There is nothing wrong with bottoming and being submissive but it just isn't something im into it and rather not watch it.

[Quiet Reflections]

Both, always both. To me someone saying they don't top, or they don't bottom is ignorant. It is the same as saying you don't date mexican men, or black girls, or black guys, or asian guys. I understand a lot of the Tgirls don't want to feel "masculine/dominant", or want to feel as "feminine/submissive" as possible when they are having sex, but whatever, that is just stupid. Human beings have the ability to play the dominant and submissive role, to be masculine and feminine. Sure you might like to be dominant more than submissive, but at least some of the time you should do both. All men and women have the ability to show these qualities whenever they want, and it is a shame a lot of people don't explore these range of feelings.
it isn't always about needing to explore your feelings more, sometimes people have already been around the block a time or ten and figured out what they do and do not like. People like what they like and expecting everyone that enjoys a certain niche to like it for the same reason is as you would put it...ignorant. Im not saying you are ignorant im just saying don't question someones likes or dislikes just because they are different than yours.

[fred41]

it isn't always about needing to explore your feelings more, sometimes people have already been around the block a time or ten and figured out what they do and do not like. People like what they like and expecting everyone that enjoys a certain niche to like it for the same reason is as you would put it...ignorant. Im not saying you are ignorant im just saying don't question someones likes or dislikes just because they are different than yours.

Yup, definitely changes, enhances or reinforces ones original perspective. Having done a lot of the things over the years that some people only watch in TS porn, I can often relate to it in the porn I watch. Through experience, I've found over time that I'm fairly versatile...with the right girl, I can do most anything she likes (with the exception of extreme pain and scat...that's just not going to happen)...but, for instance as pertains to this thread - someone may have either tried to bottom, or is psychologically unable to get sexually aroused in that way, ever, ...and so watching it in porn makes no sense either. People like what they like. Sometimes it changes...and sometimes it doesn't.
Some people only like blondes...it's just the way their mind works.

[gunn]

I love to see TGs top because i can see men top in regular porn.

[giovanni_hotel]

If the OP is asking are there dudes on this board who prefer to FUCK tgirls instead of bottoming, the answer is YES.

If I had to bet, most of us prefer to fuck than the other way around, we just don't make a scene about it on HA.

The bottoms are more dramatic on this board and love to shout it to the rooftops how much they enjoy getting plowed. Nothing wrong with it.

[fred41]

The bottoms are more dramatic on this board and love to shout it to the rooftops how much they enjoy getting plowed. Nothing wrong with it.

Everything is cool as long as folks are honest ...and some bottoms are a tad flamboyant about it. However, there are quite a few threads and post where aggressive tops feel that they absolutely must question the girls who are tops about how they can be women when they like using their penis...and never finding any answer acceptable. Also, sometimes the same members who will savage a bottom for invading a "top only" thread, will post on "bottom only" threads that they only enjoy being a top...sometimes the same member posting that multiple times in the same thread (overcompensation? or hoping a girl notices?..either way it's weird).

[giovanni_hotel]

It's not my board. I just hang out here. I've learned over time there's all types on HA, so I try to give everyone their space.

[lordworm]

I think I get it...when I watch porn, the fantasy often involves putting myself in the role of the male character. I believe lordworm is saying the same thing...ergo, he doesn't like watching porn with a dude being topped because, since he doesn't enjoy doing that act himself...he can't relate to the scene - the fantasy doesn't work for him then, so there's no point in him watching it. he doesn't like it.
Makes sense to me.

This is correct.

However I do love watching tgirl on tgirl porn, in that situation I just like to watch.

[Dino Velvet]

It's easier to ignore the male porn star when he's on top as opposed to having his legs high in the air howlin' at the moon. That chair should never recline.

[fivekatz]

Either way most of the time I am watching the TS because that's why I am watching the genre. It is all good by me if the girls is attractive, expressive and sensual. But how ever the epis ode is constructed I tend to be mentally focused on the girl. When it's two TS girls I tend to float between the two as a result of passion they are expressing at the moment.

But I have zero problem seeing a guy get topped, it does not feel threading and it is largely the mutual pleasure in any scene that makes my blood flow in the middle region. I will say most men tend to over do the scene when they are the bottom but how much of that is industry stereotype and direction?

[nysprod]

If the OP is asking are there dudes on this board who prefer to FUCK tgirls instead of bottoming, the answer is YES.

If I had to bet, most of us prefer to fuck than the other way around, we just don't make a scene about it on HA.

The bottoms are more dramatic on this board and love to shout it to the rooftops how much they enjoy getting plowed. Nothing wrong with it.

There have been several threads with polls, if that means anything, and most guys want to bottom. There also is a preference to see men get topped in porn.

However, both top and bottom men want to blow ts girls.

I'm top so I normally don't want to see men get topped, although I did see a scene with a very fem guy getting pounded that I enjoyed.

[Quiet Reflections]

However, both top and bottom men want to blow ts girls.

just like topping and/or bottoming, sucking dick isn't for everybody. Just because there are a lot of people that enjoy doing it doesn't mean everybody does.

[broncofan]

If the OP is asking are there dudes on this board who prefer to FUCK tgirls instead of bottoming, the answer is YES.

If I had to bet, most of us prefer to fuck than the other way around, we just don't make a scene about it on HA.

The bottoms are more dramatic on this board and love to shout it to the rooftops how much they enjoy getting plowed. Nothing wrong with it.
I agree with what Fred said below you. With all respect I think what you're saying is the opposite of what I've seen here. Often there will be a thread with a poll. The poll will say that most of the men prefer to bottom, but the actual posts will be over the top macho expressing a desire to top with the participants saying they don't understand how anyone could feel differently.

I'm not agreeing with the guy who said he doesn't understand how someone can be a top only. I understand it, and am sure there are many. But if anyone is gratuitously saying what their position preference is it is those who top.

[nysprod]

just like topping and/or bottoming, sucking dick isn't for everybody. Just because there are a lot of people that enjoy doing it doesn't mean everybody does.

Nothing is 100%, but in the wide spectrum of ts sex wanting to give head to a tgirl is the most universal aspect.

[algebra1900]

I think I get it...when I watch porn, the fantasy often involves putting myself in the role of the male character. I believe lordworm is saying the same thing...ergo, he doesn't like watching porn with a dude being topped because, since he doesn't enjoy doing that act himself...he can't relate to the scene - the fantasy doesn't work for him then, so there's no point in him watching it. he doesn't like it.
Makes sense to me.

Ah this makes complete sense to me, and although I'm not questioning why latex turns you on and smoking turns me on. I am questioning why the idea of being submissive is such a huge turn off to most men. My theory is the social conditioning.


i feel that same way. There is nothing wrong with bottoming and being submissive but it just isn't something im into it and rather not watch it.

So there is no scenario, no situation, no person that you would ever feel comfortable with, or see the possibility of enjoying being on the bottom, even if it only one time only?


it isn't always about needing to explore your feelings more, sometimes people have already been around the block a time or ten and figured out what they do and do not like. People like what they like and expecting everyone that enjoys a certain niche to like it for the same reason is as you would put it...ignorant. Im not saying you are ignorant im just saying don't question someones likes or dislikes just because they are different than yours.

I'm not expecting someone to like what I like, I could care less. I'm simply curious about what mechanism prevents most men from exploring submissiveness. This could also be compared to a lot of TGirls that refuse to top, and only bottom. Since being a top might make them feel masculine.


Yup, definitely changes, enhances or reinforces ones original perspective. Having done a lot of the things over the years that some people only watch in TS porn, I can often relate to it in the porn I watch. Through experience, I've found over time that I'm fairly versatile...with the right girl, I can do most anything she likes (with the exception of extreme pain and scat...that's just not going to happen)...but, for instance as pertains to this thread - someone may have either tried to bottom, or is psychologically unable to get sexually aroused in that way, ever, ...and so watching it in porn makes no sense either. People like what they like. Sometimes it changes...and sometimes it doesn't.
Some people only like blondes...it's just the way their mind works.

This is what I'm interested in, basically.


Either way most of the time I am watching the TS because that's why I am watching the genre. It is all good by me if the girls is attractive, expressive and sensual. But how ever the epis ode is constructed I tend to be mentally focused on the girl. When it's two TS girls I tend to float between the two as a result of passion they are expressing at the moment.

But I have zero problem seeing a guy get topped, it does not feel threading and it is largely the mutual pleasure in any scene that makes my blood flow in the middle region. I will say most men tend to over do the scene when they are the bottom but how much of that is industry stereotype and direction?

I think it is an issue with direction. Zooming in on the guy's hairy asshole doesn't interest me, it is the act of the girl dominating him, him being submissive. Which is best shown by showing the girl work. However this applies in reverse too, I don't really care about see a closeup of the pussy getting fucked, it doesn't do anything for me. I want to see the act, I want to see the position. The same could be said for shemale cumshots, I do not want to see a closeup of the dude's face with no shot of the girl. I mean, what is the point? I would watch gay porn if I wanted to see only men catching cumshots. I want to see the girl giving the cumshot, but I digress until I shoot my own movies I can't complain much.


just like topping and/or bottoming, sucking dick isn't for everybody. Just because there are a lot of people that enjoy doing it doesn't mean everybody does.

There is a reason for this though, everyone can be conditioned to enjoy anything, or hate anything. This is the brilliant adaptability of human beings. Ancient Greece, taking young boys to teach them the act of sex and manhood was acceptable. However having a male companion who was older than adolescence was frowned upon and rare. Odd don't you think?


Nothing is 100%, but in the wide spectrum of ts sex wanting to give head to a tgirl is the most universal aspect.

I would love to see a poll on this!

[broncofan]

There is a reason for this though, everyone can be conditioned to enjoy anything, or hate anything. This is the brilliant adaptability of human beings. Ancient Greece, taking young boys to teach them the act of sex and manhood was acceptable. However having a male companion who was older than adolescence was frowned upon and rare. Odd don't you think?

After a certain age, the brain is much less plastic and certain functions are fairly hard-wired. Since most people would find it unacceptable to condition children to enjoy one type of sex over another, I disagree that people can be conditioned to enjoy or hate any sexual practice. What people enjoy does indeed change throughout life, but I doubt it is completely malleable, particularly since conversion therapy for gay men has proven pretty unsuccessful.

[algebra1900]

After a certain age, the brain is much less plastic and certain functions are fairly hard-wired. Since most people would find it unacceptable to condition children to enjoy one type of sex over another, I disagree that people can be conditioned to enjoy or hate any sexual practice. What people enjoy does indeed change throughout life, but I doubt it is completely malleable, particularly since conversion therapy for gay men has proven pretty unsuccessful.

Well I definitely believe there are two types of homosexuals, ones who were born homosexual, and homosexuals who were made due to traumatic experiences. A lot of lesbians are made by massive amounts of sexual abuse and lose their ability to be intimate with men. There are tons of single moms in the United States, is it possible that these dysfunctional homes with dysfunctional women abused young boys to a point where they lose the ability to be intimate with women? However they've been making huge breakthroughs with psilocybin as a way to rewire the brain, and MDMA. I'm not saying taking psychedelics will make a gay man straight, but I definitely think drugs could make a gay man experience pleasure in sleeping with a woman.

[broncofan]

Well I definitely believe there are two types of homosexuals, ones who were born homosexual, and homosexuals who were made due to traumatic experiences. A lot of lesbians are made by massive amounts of sexual abuse and lose their ability to be intimate with men. There are tons of single moms in the United States, is it possible that these dysfunctional homes with dysfunctional women abused young boys to a point where they lose the ability to be intimate with women? However they've been making huge breakthroughs with psilocybin as a way to rewire the brain, and MDMA. I'm not saying taking psychedelics will make a gay man straight, but I definitely think drugs could make a gay man experience pleasure in sleeping with a woman.
Interesting points. I don't doubt that social conditioning at a young age could have some affect on how people express their sexuality. Maybe in some marginal cases, people's interests may change significantly based on traumatic experiences (or perhaps even positive ones). There was a story a while back about a man having a stroke and becoming gay, and there is actually in the clinical literature a story of a different man having a stroke and awakening to find he had become straight. But with a stroke you are talking about massive re-wiring of the brain that takes place after perhaps billions of connections have been shorn. And even in stroke victims this is on the order of probably less than one in a million.

I am actually curious about the role conditioning plays in sexual interest. Its certainly not insignificant and at the same time there must be limits too.

[broncofan]

Well I definitely believe there are two types of homosexuals, ones who were born homosexual, and homosexuals who were made due to traumatic experiences.
And just for the record, though I thought you made some good points, I have to say I am not sure about the second type you mention. I guess one reason is because it's empirically un-testable. I understand as a possibility how early experiences might create a strong aversion to one sex or the other though.

[Quiet Reflections]

So there is no scenario, no situation, no person that you would ever feel comfortable with, or see the possibility of enjoying being on the bottom, even if it only one time only?

Im not saying i have never tried it. Im saying when I did it, I didn't like it. I simply hate how it felt and made the personal choice to never do it again. There is nothing wrong with people that enjoy it but im not one of those people. Could my wife have ever convinced me to do it , I would have to say no since everybody has hard limits and she knows mine and most of mine were set before we met.

[Benedict1991]

I like only men topping the transwomen.

I don't care for lesbian tranny porn or tg topping gg.
I wonder why American sites don't have more of this? trans500 has a great site and it has the man topping 99% of the time.

[lordworm]

What are you talking about? Most ts sites feature men topping tgirls.

[Benedict1991]

What are you talking about? Most ts sites feature men topping tgirls.

Most, not most American sites. Kink.com almost all man getting topped. Devilsfilms, mostly versatile but some now with mostly the guy topping. Evil Angel? I don't really watch their stuff much, good for pictures. Most of what I seen on the box is lesbian or versatile stuff. Shemale.xxx and Shemaleyum is much better.


If they want this genre to become bigger, they need to go 90% top and the remainder versatile, lesbian and guy bottom.

[lordworm]

So basically kink is the only one. My point stands. The ts on ts stuff is what's rare, only 1 per Joey dvd, Jay Sin still not supplying that market. And then only 1 brazillian site with the stuff.

EA provides plenty of variation. You also forgot shemale pornstar, pretty much guy topping.

[algebra1900]

Interesting points. I don't doubt that social conditioning at a young age could have some affect on how people express their sexuality. Maybe in some marginal cases, people's interests may change significantly based on traumatic experiences (or perhaps even positive ones). There was a story a while back about a man having a stroke and becoming gay, and there is actually in the clinical literature a story of a different man having a stroke and awakening to find he had become straight. But with a stroke you are talking about massive re-wiring of the brain that takes place after perhaps billions of connections have been shorn. And even in stroke victims this is on the order of probably less than one in a million.

I am actually curious about the role conditioning plays in sexual interest. Its certainly not insignificant and at the same time there must be limits too.

Those are some interesting cases, and the human brain has millions of secrets yet discovered. Conditioning is a huge interest of mine as well, especially in regards to sexuality.


And just for the record, though I thought you made some good points, I have to say I am not sure about the second type you mention. I guess one reason is because it's empirically un-testable. I understand as a possibility how early experiences might create a strong aversion to one sex or the other though.

Well, just look to all the cultures around the world that participate in not only homosexual sex, incest, but pedophilia. Would anyone on this board say to themselves, I am sexually turned on by children? Yet if they grew up in a society where this was common practice, I guarantee they could become sexually aroused. This has been shown with a lot of police officers, and detectives who work on child abuse, child murder cases. After years and years of being forced to look at child porn they themselves gain a liking for the material. I am sure if all you handed out in prisons was gay porn...they would watch it. This is why I truly believe sexuality isn't real, human beings can sway whichever direction they want, at anytime.

[Dino Velvet]

After a certain age, the brain is much less plastic and certain functions are fairly hard-wired.

On the morning of my 45th birthday I woke up with a strange desire to want to be a father. Was scratching my head wondering what was wrong with me. Guess I'll give in to yet another voice in my head but yearn back for the old days when all I cared about was a bottle of strong booze and a piece of sweet pussy. If I smoke enough dope maybe I can figure out how to make a time machine or become one myself.

[broncofan]

On the morning of my 45th birthday I woke up with a strange desire to want to be a father. Was scratching my head wondering what was wrong with me. Guess I'll give in to yet another voice in my head but yearn back for the old days when all I cared about was a bottle of strong booze and a piece of sweet pussy. If I smoke enough dope maybe I can figure out how to make a time machine or become one myself.
45 is still young for most learning. I think about that myself sometimes when I'm around kids for about five minutes. Anything over five minutes and I feel better about the fact that I don't have any:). I always wonder about our ability to change...tons of things I don't like about myself that I would give every ounce of willpower I have to change. In fact, if there were a way for me to will myself to have more willpower I would try it.

[broncofan]

Those are some interesting cases, and the human brain has millions of secrets yet discovered. Conditioning is a huge interest of mine as well, especially in regards to sexuality.

Like you, I am interested in the subject of conditioning because it offers hope for people who want to learn new things or get rid of malign traits they think they have. I am not that interested in it for sexuality because I don't have any normative views on sexuality except that it should be consensual. There's no doubt that as much technical information as scientists have about how the brain works at a cellular level, they haven't come close to mastering how it works as an organ.

[algebra1900]

45 is still young for most learning. I think about that myself sometimes when I'm around kids for about five minutes. Anything over five minutes and I feel better about the fact that I don't have any:). I always wonder about our ability to change...tons of things I don't like about myself that I would give every ounce of willpower I have to change. In fact, if there were a way for me to will myself to have more willpower I would try it.

Serious question, how many psychedelics have you messed around with?

[Dino Velvet]

45 is still young for most learning. I think about that myself sometimes when I'm around kids for about five minutes. Anything over five minutes and I feel better about the fact that I don't have any:). I always wonder about our ability to change...tons of things I don't like about myself that I would give every ounce of willpower I have to change. In fact, if there were a way for me to will myself to have more willpower I would try it.

Wish me luck unlearning it soon. I could need a lawyer too. A total abomination if I knock up one of my BDHDHs. Lucky most are so old even their crabs have saggy tits.

[broncofan]

Serious question, how many psychedelics have you messed around with?
None. Why do you ask?

[broncofan]

Wish me luck unlearning it soon. I could need a lawyer too. A total abomination if I knock up one of my BDHDHs. Lucky most are so old even their crabs have saggy tits.
Crabs with saggy tits? I guess that means if you catch those crabs, it won't be long til they die of natural causes.

[algebra1900]

None. Why do you ask?

Well the fact you've never had a psychedleic experience let me know you most likely know very little about yourself. I suggest trying to find some mushrooms, and build yourself up to a 5+ gram trip. Look into the stoned monkey theory, will blow your mind.

[simonisthebest]

Men toping theses trannies...that's how it's supposed to be in a first place

but since u got theses big dick lovers & a growing gay fan base ,producers are exploitin that , to each its own....but a tranny need to be treated like a girl

[Dino Velvet]

Crabs with saggy tits? I guess that means if you catch those crabs, it won't be long til they die of natural causes.

With older crabs you just push them down the tiny staircase in their miniature wheel chair to their ultimate peril. You can also sneak up behind them and scare the crap out of them giving them a heart attack as they're trying to enjoy The Reader's Digest.

[Quiet Reflections]

Well the fact you've never had a psychedleic experience let me know you most likely know very little about yourself. I suggest trying to find some mushrooms, and build yourself up to a 5+ gram trip. Look into the stoned monkey theory, will blow your mind.
The Stoned Ape theory is interesting the first time I heard of it was with a group of friends after we each did a 1/4 of shrooms. I Have done DMT,mescaline, acid, shrooms, and mdma(the last 3 many times and the first 2 twice each) and can tell you from experience that while they might help you get inside you head and know yourself they will never make you gay or act in a "homosexual" manner unless it is something that was already there in some form. Mescaline is insane but DMT is so far past it that it is almost impossible to explain.

[Quiet Reflections]

the DMT was oral and 3 times sorry

[10inchjay]

I don't like seeing tgirls topping unless they are with other tgirls.
word up

[lovelyguy]

i love girls topping guys

[STARTUP999]

The only think I enjoy more that seeing a TG topping a man, is to see her cumming in his mouth. Pretty much the same for me in real life too.

Why?..... Because I relate to it being done to me.

[LibertyHarkness]

my fav topping is TS on Fem, then TS on TS .. xx i care not for TS topping men in the slightest . my personal taste anyway :) x

[LibertyHarkness]

1 powerbottom didnt like my post "remonster" :)

[lordworm]

I like your post, though I would put TS on TS first, then guy topping TS, then girl topping TS. I just like seeing TSs cock down ass up.

TS on TS is way ahead of the others btw.

[LibertyHarkness]

Ts on TS is good yes, i just cant stand ts topping guys , but each to their own .

[Deepdarkfucker]

I love being deep inside them

[Quiet Reflections]

1 powerbottom didnt like my post "remonster" :)
what is a remonster?