Question For The Ladies on BEING a TS (only ladies)

[RangeHova]

Settle this ongoing back and forth debate. It kind of took over another topic and got things going a different way (sorry original poster)

One HAer says that a person is not a TS until they have done work to thier bodies or achieved changes to thier bodies by the use of hormones.

Me, I say that a TS is a TS long before any of that. I think most people who really and truly are TS are almost (if not) from birth. I think the moment that you knew in your heart and your head that you were a female that you were a TS (if not before). I don't think the changes that you make to your body are what makes a TS a TS.

I've never read a clinical diiscussion of transsexuality that said made the distinction that this other poster made.

I've even read discussions of very specific distinct physical differences in some TS women, be it chromosonal, hormonal or even in the make up of some TS women's brains (that existed from birth).

From everything that I have read the hormones and work are just an ends to a means. Ends to make the changes that you feel you need to become and live as a woman not a TS.

So I ask you this, when were you a "TS".

[ezed]

Settle this ongoing back and forth debate. It kind of took over another topic and got things going a different way (sorry original poster)

One HAer says that a person is not a TS until they have done work to thier bodies or achieved changes to thier bodies by the use of hormones.

Me, I say that a TS is a TS long before any of that. I think most people who really and truly are TS are almost (if not) from birth. I think the moment that you knew in your heart and your head that you were a female that you were a TS (if not before). I don't think the changes that you make to your body are what makes a TS a TS.

I've never read a clinical diiscussion of transsexuality that said made the distinction that this other poster made.

I've even read discussions of very specific distinct physical differences in some TS women, be it chromosonal, hormonal or even in the make up of some TS women's brains (that existed from birth).

From everything that I have read the hormones and work are just an ends to a means. Ends to make the changes that you feel you need to become and live as a woman not a TS.

So I ask you this, when were you a "TS".

Who the fuck knows. Who cares. Clinical definitions are clinical definitions. As far as I'm concerned, if they say they are ts, they are ts. If they say they are a woman, they are a woman. If they say they're a CD or Tv, they are. If you aren't attracted to them or are, who cares.

If they say they're not gay they aren't, if they say they are, they are.

The main question is do you like that person, are you attracted to them? If so who cares. If you are, are you gay? Do you think you are, then you are. Do you think you're not, then you're not.

AND FUCK ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS WHO THINK OTHERWISE BECAUSE NO ONE REALLY KNOWS SHIT ABOUT ANYONE WHO POSTS HERE. Even if you think you know them or met them.

All rise, and go in Peace! :banghead

[RangeHova]

I think it goes a lot deeper than who you like and who you are attracted to. When I first realized that I was attracted to TS women I went out of my way to study it, to try to get some understanding of what it is and what goes on in the mind of the people. It had nothing to do with society or what anyone else thought. I deemed it important enough to go beyond what they look like, the sexual aspect, and the outer.

I know this is a porn board but I thought that we could go deeper than what gives us erections and who we want to do.

After all the goo goo eyes, kissing, sucking and fucking a girl, call me crazy but I would like to go deeper with whoever I am spending time with. I know it’s rare but some of us want the girl even after we achieve orgasm. I can honestly say that it has served me well in knowing how to deal with certain girls and even girls to not deal with and girls to avoid. I think exchanging something beyond who has the biggest, juiciest, wettest, or hardest whatever could do a lot of people on the board some good.

Not to put down the folks driven by the visual, who among us doesn’t appreciate a beautiful vision of what we like. But what’s the issue with wanting to go further that from time to time?

[Quinn]

Who the fuck knows. Who cares. Clinical definitions are clinical definitions. As far as I'm concerned, if they say they are ts, they are ts. If they say they are a woman, they are a woman. If they say they're a CD or Tv, they are. If you aren't attracted to them or are, who cares.

If they say they're not gay they aren't, if they say they are, they are.

The main question is do you like that person, are you attracted to them? If so who cares. If you are, are you gay? Do you think you are, then you are. Do you think you're not, then you're not.


Cosign. Given how fucking complex life is, why go to such lengths to make it even more complicated? Save the complex calculations for things that are important because this isn't. Do what works for you. It really is that simple.

-Quinn

[RangeHova]

I’m not seeing how trying to get a deeper level of understanding of the people that some of us find ourselves attracted to is making life more complex.

In all honesty, I never found life to be all that complex.

And who is to judge what is important?

How much can we even do about the important?

Can’t we gain a better understanding about the important, the not so important and all that falls in between those lines?

What works for me is a different kind of deeper penetration. Why would anyone on this board have an issue with that? If you have no interest in this, that is completely fine, there are plenty of post on here that didn’t peak enough interest in me to click on them. Face it, HA has a multitude of interest for all kinds.

Why be bothered with those that do have an interest in what may be more esoteric as opposed to purely erotic?

[TomSelis]

I think what you said in the other thread was more important. You said something to the effect of "Some girls call themselves Transexuals aren't really at all. You can tell when you have a conversation..." I'm paraphrasing, but that was a good point.

I think the important thing there is that you are able to identify which ones aren't and which ones are.

[BeardedOne]

I think it's reaching the point where the mods might want to ponder the creation of another section to the HA boards. Along with General Discusssion, Sports Lounge, Personals, and Buy My Old Porn Cheap sections, it's getting to where we might be needing a new "What Am I?" section.

No matter how many times we rag on the noobs and juniors who post "I just let [Name of popular escort here] fuck me in the ass with her big, thick, juicy cock...BUT I'M NOT GAY!!" and ask the inevitable question "Does anybody have a nice recipe for quiche?", or how many twee dollah bills we hand out, the subject is going to keep rearing its pointy little haid.

On the other end of the spectrum there will inevitably be the individual who will either don a pair of lace frillies or install a set of store-bought titties and declare themselves a TS to the abhorrant cries of "Eww! That's a MAY-YEN!" from a peanut gallery, many of which, don't know what =THEY= are yet.

And, somewhere in the middle, are a handful of unique samples such as a friend of mine who wrestled with many similar questions until he was an adult and a number of medical tests later discovered, hell-lo, there was an extra chromosome dancing around inside him (Normal is what? XX or XY? He, born 'female' but identified 'male', has XXY) screwing up everyone's attempt to label him.

Get the fuck over it, already. :roll:

No two people, no two gurls, are going to have the same answer or, most likely, anything anywhere close to the same answer. In the first volume of Alison Bechdel's wonderful comic/graphic series Dykes To Watch Out For, Bechdel drew a series of single-panel illustrations for the Dyke Alphabet. One that has always stood out in my memory was of a little girl on a pitcher's mound, winding up, over the caption: "G is for Gretchen, who knew at age seven". :)

Maybe the next little girl/gurl didn't know until she was eight. Or eighteen. Maybe they didn't know until they dressed as a girl, or until they fell in love with a man, but had no such feelings for any other man. Maybe, for a 'translesbian', it wasn't until they picked up their first pneumatic wrench. :)

Maybe, just maybe, there's that damned little Y chromosome, charging around inside them screaming: "YO! I'm in here, bitch!".

[BeardedOne]

As a follow-up, am I the first to notice that none of the LADIES have yet posted to this "LADIES ONLY" thread? :lol:

[TomSelis]

As a follow-up, am I the first to notice that none of the LADIES have yet posted to this "LADIES ONLY" thread? :lol:

I typed something like this and deleted it, I figured, "Why bother?" pointing out the obvious.

But yeah, to say what I was going to say earlier: I think this kind of comes off judgemental and a little bit on the prying side. It seems like a genuine curiosity, but I don't think too many girls are going to say, "Yeah, I got a few thousand dollars worth of surgery, but.....I like my dick as much as you guys do." or on the other hand, "Yeah, I feel like a woman so I did all of this and next month I'm going to get SRS."

I could really see some guys going apeshit either way. I remember someone mentioning a brazilian girl went back to being a guy, got married and people went apeshit.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Looking back in retrospect-

I was definately born this way. All of actions, desires, likes, interest, and behaviour were most definately of a feminine nature. I never had an appreciation for many masculine things as a kid or teen. I never liked any toys that were 'male' toys, never like sports, etc. etc. I crossdressed and played with my mothers things at a very young age and through my teens.

SO for me transsexualtiy was simply a development of my femininity. When I realized it was possible to do this, I did it.

It was never a question of if, but rather than when.

[ezed]

I think it goes a lot deeper than who you like and who you are attracted to. When I first realized that I was attracted to TS women I went out of my way to study it, to try to get some understanding of what it is and what goes on in the mind of the people. It had nothing to do with society or what anyone else thought. I deemed it important enough to go beyond what they look like, the sexual aspect, and the outer.

I know this is a porn board but I thought that we could go deeper than what gives us erections and who we want to do.

After all the goo goo eyes, kissing, sucking and fucking a girl, call me crazy but I would like to go deeper with whoever I am spending time with. I know it’s rare but some of us want the girl even after we achieve orgasm. I can honestly say that it has served me well in knowing how to deal with certain girls and even girls to not deal with and girls to avoid. I think exchanging something beyond who has the biggest, juiciest, wettest, or hardest whatever could do a lot of people on the board some good.

Not to put down the folks driven by the visual, who among us doesn’t appreciate a beautiful vision of what we like. But what’s the issue with wanting to go further that from time to time?

You dive too deep ...beyond where the fishes swim...it's who you like.. not just looks but the person... go with the current you like...and don't study it, follow it. Life is short. follow your compass. It usually points north to guide you. If it's to happen, it won't happen on this board but face to face with the individual.

In the meantime, feel free to pump off a load to the beauty on these boards. It's a good thing. Over analyzing will cause you to miss the bus.

[RangeHova]

Over analyzing will cause you to miss the bus.

Sorry dude but I just choose to go deeper. Like I said, it's cool if you choose not to. I have no issue with that.

In all honesty I don't think it is all about who you like. I have tended to approach my relationships with TS women a little more real. In these relationships I have found that a level of understanding beyond looks and liking them, a level of understanding of where these women are coming from to be a very positive thing.

Hell, in my first serious relationship with a TS, I knew more about the topic than she did. I ended up helping her in ways no one else was able to help her.

There is nothing wrong with the ladies sharing a little knowledge. I'm willing to bet that a lot of guys on HA could benefit from it.

[ezed]

Over analyzing will cause you to miss the bus.

Sorry dude but I just choose to go deeper. Like I said, it's cool if you choose not to. I have no issue with that.

In all honesty I don't think it is all about who you like. I have tended to approach my relationships with TS women a little more real. In these relationships I have found that a level of understanding beyond looks and liking them, a level of understanding of where these women are coming from to be a very positive thing.

Hell, in my first serious relationship with a TS, I knew more about the topic than she did. I ended up helping her in ways no one else was able to help her.

There is nothing wrong with the ladies sharing a little knowledge. I'm willing to bet that a lot of guys on HA could benefit from it.

So be it!

[RangeHova]

Just wanted to thank Allanah for sharing your opinion and your story.

[BeardedOne]

Over analyzing will cause you to miss the bus.

Over the years, I dated/had as 'lovers' so many dykes that it wasn't funny. A handful dubbed me a 'male lesbian', one wrote a thesis on me, and Susie Bright (Dubbed the 'World's Most Commercial Lesbian' by Playboy magazine) used to leave messages on my answering machine.

Someone once asked me how it was that I was such a 'dyke magnet' and I gave it some very brief thought until I realized that I didn't want to suffer the "Centipede's Dilemma".

Someone once asked a centipede how it was that he was able to coordinate his hundred legs so that he didn't trip over his own feet when he walked. The centipede sat down to give it some thought and never walked again.

I don't ponder why I like T-girls because I might come to where I'll truly wonder why I do. I don't need that shit at this point in my life. Is she nice to me? Is she attractive? Does she like to be with me? Is she smart? Does she laugh at my jokes? Is her dick as thick as my arm and as long as this post? Does she like to fuck? :?:

Please. Give me that and a woman that has no agenda up her skirt and I'll be happy. :D

[RangeHova]

Over analyzing will cause you to miss the bus.

But in all honesty, I don't feel like gaining more info on the subject as the same as analyzing any part of this. I have ben around T women since i was in high school in all of this time after all of these years I'm not sitting around analyzing it, asking questions about my attraction or anything like that.

But just like I get background info on certain kind of people just for general knowledge what is different about seeking knowledge of transsexual women. I think people in general are fascinating. I think the phenomenon of transsexuality is fascinating beyond the sexual. I truly enjoy learning about people. I don't think people know enough about people that are different from them. Even when people are in close proximity differences can be all about sterotypes with no attempt to get beyond the surface.

Was this post about learning, no. For me it wasn't. I stand firm on the fact that i think people who are truly transsexual are born that way. This post was more to settle an ongoing difference that i had on another post.

[ezed]

But in all honesty, I don't feel like gaining more info on the subject as the same as analyzing any part of this. I have ben around T women since i was in high school in all of this time after all of these years I'm not sitting around analyzing it, asking questions about my attraction or anything like that.

But just like I get background info on certain kind of people just for general knowledge what is different about seeking knowledge of transsexual women. I think people in general are fascinating. I think the phenomenon of transsexuality is fascinating beyond the sexual. I truly enjoy learning about people. I don't think people know enough about people that are different from them. Even when people are in close proximity differences can be all about sterotypes with no attempt to get beyond the surface.

Was this post about learning, no. For me it wasn't. I stand firm on the fact that i think people who are truly transsexual are born that way. This post was more to settle an ongoing difference that i had on another post.

Some people don't like to be analyzed. You have to pay them for that privelge. And when you do, they'll blow smoke up your hole (ie tell you what you want to hear). Thus no t -girl responses to this post.

You're not Sigmund Freud, and in my opinion Freud was a fraud. Those who wait for the answers to "Life, The Universe and Everything" will ultimately........................................ .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .........................miss the bus.

And then snap their fingers and say "Damn, what was I thinking!" :banghead