Porn's New HIV Crisis

[NYCe]

This story has gathered a amazing amount of Mainstream Media Attention, I'm not sure if it applies to Transsexual Porn (but at the rate this story is growing it probably will)

"The porn industry was shaken again yesterday by reports that male talent Darren James tested positive for HIV. (Adult Video News says that James is the first veteran performer to be diagnosed with HIV since Tony Montana in 1999; it's a testament to the industry's self-policing that this sort of thing doesn't happen more often, especially given the lack of condom use in most hetero porn.) "

Several companies have stopped filming for 60 days (including Red Light District, Hustler and VCA)

Here's a current list of performers being Quarantined
http://69.42.76.142/Quarantine.html

[AllanahStarrNYC]

It is so sad this has happened, but I always thought it was ridiculous that condoms were hardly used in St8 porn.
They used no condoms because the DNA HIV test. However,
No test is 100 percent reliable, and honestly who can monitor anyones sexual behaviour on their own time. Pergormers had to test once a month. ANYTHING can happen in one month. This I hope will be a wake up call for the st8 porn industry to start using condoms to further ensure their safety during filming during vaginal and anal intercourse. Test or no test, I always do condom only scenes and will always demand so.

I think if these performers are truly concerned about their health they need to start using condoms. Although condoms are not 100 safe, what is safer-using condoms or showing a negative test that is up to 30 days old?

[Vicki Richter]

There have been hundreds of thousands of scenes shot in the straight porn industry. Statistically, this would be like saying after a plane crash, "I hope people wake up and never get on a plane again". To further this statement, statistically, per capita, there are more cases of HIV in the non-adult entertainment world.

I'm not condoning unsafe sex... but... the testing has actually done it's job for a very long time. HIV is a scarey bad thing. Yes. However, if people are still afraid to have condomless sex after a PCR-DNA, nobody should be having sex or procreating period.

Again, I would encourage everyone to actually read about the PCR-DNA testing done at AIM.

http://69.42.76.142/faq.html

Again, not flaming anyone elses point of view, just giving my perspective.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Yes those are great point too.

I just feel to cut the risk, I personally use condoms for work and recreationally to further avoid problems. I have sexual contact with alot of people and I think it is best that way personally.

I believe using tests and condoms will further reduce any risks involved.

[d]

I know a couple of the people in the straight porn industry, and I spoke to Sinnamon Love who knows the guy who got HIV, and here's what she emailed me:


It's true, this is not the first time someone has gotten the bug, but it's the first time a Black Man has gotten it - and the fact that he's passed it on to a White girl, (French Canadian 18 year old to be exact,) is one of the only reasons IMHO it's gotten so much press. Last month, a white male aspiring porn stud tested positive prior to even being able to do a single scene. There was a Black Female performer named Tori Coco Flame that contracted the disease from outside of the business several years ago, but she was such an infrequent performer that the industry was unscathed by her infection. Prior to that in 1999 Latin Porn Veteran Tony Montana contracted the disease from outside the business - no one contracted the disease from him. The year before, 1998, white male vet Marc Wallice contracted HIV prior to the current centralized testing procedure we have now. He falsified his test for a period of time and intentionally infected roughly 8 ladies. Luckily it didn't spread beyond that...

At present, there are approximately 45 performers on a voluntary industry quarantine list. Only 2 performers have tested positive for HIV. We are waiting for the results of the next round of performers.

I'd like to clarify how our industry tests first. Yes, it is mandatory that we test every 30 days for HIV, Gonerrhea & Chlamydia. New talent must also test for Syphilis and be screened for Hepititis before being eligible for work. Most people are still stuck in the 80s generation of HIV testing and are under the impression that there is still a 3-6 month window of error for a false negative. That simply isn't true anymore. The test we use is called the PCR-DNA. The difference is this and the standard test one might get in their doctors office is that most test only tests for antibodies produced after the body has developed the virus. This may take 3-6 months or longer. The PCR-DNA test looks for the actual virus itself in the DNA of the infected.

What people don't understand is that when you contract HIV the virus attaches itself to the DNA strand within 3 days. Depending on the body's immune system it may take a long time to develop antibodies or lower t-cell counts. This is the cause for most false negative results. By using the PCR-DNA tests we have the opportunity to catch & "quaratine" the infected party & any potential partners - basically operating on a containment basis to prevent the potential spread.

The Adult Industry Healthcare Foundation, http://www.aim-med.org provides centralized testing for the business and is handling the quarantine fairly well. It has worked with Darren to produce a list of his partners, then contacted each of them for immediate retesting and compiled a list of their partners as well. The CDC is rather impressed with the efforts the industry has made. By compiling what we all "generation" lists of partners we have controled the spread outside those people - but no one else has tested positive, yet. The industry has called for a moratoriumon all production until after June 8, when the last of Darren's partners will be cleared of having contracting or passed on the virus.

Despite much online rumor, it is believed that he contracted the virus from performing in an anal scene with a woman in Brazil. (He had tested negative in both February and March.)

The worst part of this whole thing? That he's a Black Male performer. He's received death threats. I've seen the word, "lynching" on message boards. He has been most responsible... unlike Marc Wallice was. He's in hiding and has not been seen or heard from even by his best friends since Tuesday. Everyone is worried about him. Heis the type of guy that doesn't drink, smoke, do drugs, or sleep around outside of work. His image is everywhere... he was on the cover of Variety this week. Can you imagine?

In our industry, there are racist factors that tell white female performers not to do scenes with Black men because it will ruin their careers. This will only fuel their pitch. A black man has infected one of their sweet little white girls... When the reality is that anyone could have come down with the virus.

Unfortunately, what's happened is both the fault of the consumer and the fault of the companies. The consumer wants more hardcore product and the producers give in. The consumer doesn't buy product with condoms. Ethinc companies like Videoteam that were once condom only give into the consumer desire for non-condom sex. Talent is viewed as disposible, and their safety over the consumers fantasy is not even considered. Fans say condoms ruin their fantasy & the companies give in and producer dirtier, nastier, more hardcore material...

Talent like myself that makes the move to condom only get fewer roles and are even asked to work for lesser pay. For some 18 year old girl that fears lack of work & is living paycheck to paycheck - it's tough. At present there's no telling what will come of the business after this. Mr. Marcus has been quoted with say that he may become condom only. Marc Anthony, Darren's best friend & one of the performers to have worked with both positive people in a scene has said he is so clearly shaken that he may never work in front of the camera again, and if he does he will choose to be condom only as well. Everyone is shaken right now so there's no telling what happens from here. I'll continue to perform condom only after the work moratorium has been lifted...

There is an industry wide meeting on Wednesday. AIM will hold a press conference on Thursday. I'm sure it will be all over the news so stay tuned...



all my best,
Sinnamon Love

[AllanahStarrNYC]

It is really sad how the media, especially the porn media have treated this gentleman and not respected his medical privacy.

I keep on hearing words like "dirty" and "quarantine" and it makes me think that some people's minds have changed very little in regard to the attitude to people with HIV.

I think part of the problem is that we are really uneducated by the media about the facts. Its all scare tactics. It is a scary thing ot think about but we must remain educated. HIV is is really not so simple to contract. You can sex with a HIV positive person and still remain negative. Your body has to be in certain states(temp., DNA configuration) and the person viral load has to be strong enough @ that time to transmist if all circumstances are correct. There have been many studies of people who have had long term sex with HIV positive parties and still have remained negative. Why?
No medicine is abosolute and neither is science folks.
Did you guys read the NY Times article that said that RNA not DNA could now be more important to genetic coding and basically all research that have done towards molecular bioligy with DNA could be misguided?

My point is that that you never turly know. What we know is that HIV is the PROBABLE cause of AIDS. I had friends tell me that when they saw that report on 20/20 recently they were shocked to find that fact out. There is no absolute proof that HIV causes AIDS, it is a hyposthesis. That is a medical fact.

The idustry must continue. People will have to make decisions if they want to use condoms or not for scenes but I think if we really want to cut risks factors even lower, condoms should be used. What is so terrible about a condom anyway? I bet they have saved millions of lives.

[dan_yearsgone83]

Maybe it's just my lack of knowledge on the subject, but what does this "quarantine" consist of? Is it just that he isn't allowed to participate in any films or what?

I'm with Allanah though...I never got why more str8 porn scenes weren't shot with condoms either. I'm not saying all condoms all the time, but why take an unnecessary chance?

[d]

The people on the quarantine can't work (film scenes) in the "industry" until their next testing period passes.
As for the lack of condoms in str8 porn, condomless sex sells. Most of the top straight porn sellers have no condoms in any scenes. I guess that what the viewers want.

[bezane]

The agreement, the"contract"and the governing body of the industry also relies heavily on this group of actors to abide by their committment to making it work. The rumour that this actor went to Brazil and made films without stating this t subseuent companies is true. Vickie is right. Hundreds of thousands of scenes in the last five years and this is the first incident. Sounds safe to me. My experiences with the industry have been first rate.

[popperluv]

What right does the media have to put the guys picture all over the place.
Theres definatly a hidden agenda there.

[Vicki Richter]

This is a pretty interesting statistic I found. Probably safer than str8 club sex.

"Since 1998, only nine performers have tested HIV-positive, including the controversial Marc Wallice case, which led to six HIV-positive performers. According to Mitchell, that equates to a very small percentage of performers — .003 percent of the adult talent pool during that time. "

[Vicki Richter]

HIV AND AIDS IS NO JOKE....UNFIRTUNATLY , AIDS HAS TAKEN THE LIVES OF A CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER OF MINE AND A FEW VERY VERY CLOSE FRIENDS OF MINE AS WELL.....I MUST SAY THIS ONE FACT, I AM VERY CLOSE FRIENDS WITH A FAMOUS TRANNY PORNO STAR THAT IS HIV POSITIVE AND YET SHE STILL DOES MOVIES CAUSE THE FILM COMPANY SHE WORKS FOR FAKES HER PAPERS...SHE EVEN BRAGS ABOUT IT TO ME AND NO, ITS NOT SKYLENE ( I SAY THAT CAUSE MOST OF YOU KNOW SKY AND I ARE GOOD FRIENDS..ITS NOT HER, SHE IS NEG ) ...THAT SHIT IS A FACT!!!!! I FEEL THAT THIS IS NO LAUGHING MATTER AND I MYSELF HAVE HAD SEXUAL CONTACT WITH A FEW GIRLS BACK IN THE 1980S WHO HAVE DIED FROM AIDS...KNOCK ON WOOD IM NEGITIVE, BUT I HAD UNPROTECTED SEX WITH ONE IN PARTICULAR WHO DIED 2 WEEKS LATER.....IM FUCKING LUCKY....THESE DAYS I JUST FUCK MY RIGHT HAND SO IM SAFE......I PERSONALLY DONT WATCH PORNO, BUT I AGREE WITH ALLANAH, EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR A CONDOM, WHATS THE BIG DEAL.....CONDOMS DEFINATLY SAVE LIVES...JUST BE SAFE ALL OF YOU....

Your friend could goto jail for that as could the film company.

Vicki

[thanos]

MegabodyNYC you are correct. I've heard via the proverbial grapevine of many actors (gay adult film stars) who are currently working while HIV pos.

[Tara Emory]

This is a bit of a wake up call- and I think it really does pertain to us in the transexual genre. A lot of shemales do the escorting thing too, and with all those unknowns out there (who could also like that one guy who called himself "lucky", can still transmit diseases even if he doesn't contract it) that puts the whole industry at risk, since I know a lot of guys want to go down on a tranny w/o a condom (which is very low risk for the suck-ee, but still a risk)

As far as condom use in films, the most interesting viewpoint I have seen about this subject is an article where people in the business argued for mandating condom useage - but suggested that the producers be creative about making the condoms less noticeable, (since the general consensus is that seeing a condom kind of spoils the fantasy.)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1508&ncid=751&e=7&u=/afp/20040423/hl_afp/afplifestyle_us_film_sex

Towards the end of the article an AIM spokesperson says :

"In the same way that you don't see all the wires in movies, although the wires are there, we want to see the industry use the same creativity to create the same fascinating effect with the use of a condom," he said. "


Although my resume in the industry is hardly as extensive as others here, it seems like the main problem here is that the infection came from Brazil - outside of the strictly regulated industry. I have had offers to come down to Brazil for this and that.. Hmmmm. I don't think that will be happening any time soon.

It seems like the big problem in the industry is the 2 week PCR DNA window (some say it's between 3 days and two weeks) vs. the 30-day old test.. If you have a PCR DNA test that is new, and haven't had sex for 3 weeks, you're a lot more likely to be clear than someone who just did a scene yesterday but there test is 30 days old. Personally, I would not do a risky scene unless myself and my partner had both brand-new tests and hadn't had any sex for nearlya month- Of course, I bet that doesn't really work in reality.

With all the scare going on.. What is the risk factor for recieving a facial? Oral? I have to admit that seeing oral with a condom on isn't that exciting. I myself have been trying to find just the perfect condom that is completly unnoticable on screen.. any suggestions?

-Tara

[Vicki Richter]

Sorry... I guess I have had too many math classes or something... Prepare for more education.

To be honest, a lot of companies don't require test papers when working with transsexual performers and they site condoms as the excuse. However, pretty much every GG porn star in the industry won't work with a TS without AIM papers. The result of the recent infections will likely make testing mandatory in California for sex work. This is a good thing.

I think Gregg is making some good points, but the main point here is that nobody Gregg knows got HIV from working in the adult video industry as a performer. The LA p0rn industry is still remarkably safe. This is a scandal with the media calling it an outbreak or epidemic when two people have tested positive. Again the official percentage infected since 1998 is .003%. That means that the LA porn industry is 99.997% safe... I would take those odds any day.

Does anyone actually realize that about 2,000,000 people (mostly kids) die each year in Africa from Malaria? That is a real problem and our dumb ass, bloated, uncaring government invests all this time and money into investigating the LA adult film industry.

http://www.disasterrelief.org/Disasters/000425malaria/

compare that to:

http://www.avert.org/usastaty.htm

Then consider the number of people in Africa dying of AIDS or infected with HIV.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/releases/2003/prunaids/en/print.html

That is an epidemic. I mean if people want to pretend this is a huge problem, when we all know there is way more "risky" classification sex per capita going on in the adult film industry (than mainstream society) and far fewer people are getting infected, then so be it. The fact is we're talking about two people right now with only one who definitely got it from performing. It's extremely sad, but give me a f*cking break people be rational and look at the numbers.

In closing, I would also say this... sleeping with an escort who has HIV with a condom that is only 90-95% effective is a lot riskier than the adult film industry.... at least statistically speaking.

http://www.salud.gob.mx/unidades/conasida/preven/condon/pinker01.htm

[bezane]

on the last note is where I part company with my favorite girl in the world, Vicky.

I'm no huge supporter of government, but it is not the federal government that wants to put it's resources into testing porn shops as opposed to fighting Malaria in Africa. As you know George Bush did allocate money (the largest sum ever) to fight AIDS on the continent of Africa. This was a campaign promise he did make good on. However, it seems that nation-state governments on the continent of Africa have an enormously lopsided track record of taking charity and spending it on the few ruling families in power. It happened in Rwanda during the genocide. It happened again during the famine crisis. It happens continuously with the slavery problem in the Congo and Sierra Leone.

C'mon Vicky, you're way tooo smart to be pulled around by the nose by journalists looking to make good copy. And anyway to put another face on it, what about kudos to the government for suggesting that testing may be advantageous instead of a complete shut down of the industry.

Playing devil's advocate here. But beware of the liberal agenda. Being a long standing card carying lefty, I've come to realize that they dupe us at every corner for their own political gain.

The solution? Put them all in a room and let them fight to the death. Then shoot the winner.

Anarchy lives. For years they made the word synonomous with chaos. But I think we can govern ourselves based on need and mutual agreement. Beware of those, like in Santa .ca that are "for it" but not in my neighborhood.

Off the soapbox.

I love Vicky. My girl should be so smart and so cute.

[Clownin]

Not that Gregg needs me to back him up, but what he says in this matter is Gospel. I know who he's talking about in both cases. I also know his friend Skylene is negative.

Preach on Brother :wink:

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I really find it distasteful that some of you are discussing details about someone's private medical history. That is no ones business and it not a matter to post in a public board.
If you are concerned about your patners HIV status then get a test or use a condom, but don't make it public.
That is really tasteless.

[rick]

...THESE GIRLS ARE ABOUT MONEY ONLY, MOST OF THEM ( ESCORTS ) DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU OR YOUR FAMILY.......THEY COULD BE RIDDLED WITH FULL BLOWN AIDS AND STILL LET YOU TAKE THE LOAD, THATS A FACT.....WEAR A CONDOM OR BE LIKE ME, JERK OFF AND ANSWER TO NO ONE............

I don't know if all of what you say is true but enough of it rings true based on my experience also. Money rules and they will do what they have to do to survive. I believe it enough that it's changed the way I go about hooking up. Older tgirls have more than likly been working the street sucking dick ect for at least 10 or more years even if they are not doing it now so in my opinion they have to have something, if not aids, herpes, whatever. I now only hook up with very young tgrls. It's still not a lock but the odds are better, plus no more anal sex period. No heavy oral either. It may not be as fun but neither is herpes of the throat.....I'll make do or hire someone to jack me off. Shit, I'll just kick back, close my eyes and think it's real......same result. I'm sure as hell not gonna shell out 300+ dollars to get off and then get sick.

[flabbybody]

I'm not so sure about the young ones being safer than the old ones. As Mega has said many times, these kids have been fucking around with their hood rat boyfriends since early teens. Some tgirls even start out as hood rats. But you're right about cutting out the anal, and the oral should always be covered, giving and getting. We can't make this hobby totally 100% safe, but we can get very close. great post, thx.

[Lobo]

The latest in porn's HIV crisis is that brazilian t-girl Bianca Carvalho and genetic girl Bianca Biaggi have both tested HIV positive.
These two did a 3-way scene with male Nacho Vidal in Hard Time Shemale (Evil Angel) down in Brazil.
Also, the genetic girl Bianca Biaggi did an anal scene with Darren James (the first porn star in this outbreak to test +) while he was down in brazil, this is where AIM thinks he got it. He then passed it on to french canadian porn star Lara Roxx (aka Lara Coxx) and also to european Jessica Dee ( this was announced a few days ago).
There is also news that an American t-girl porn star has also tested positive, she goes by the name of Jennifer. She shot a scene for the porn company Anabolic.
Here's a link to the story:
http://adultfyi.com/read.aspx?ID=3496

The thing with porn is that they use such a small number of the same guys for a lot of the movies, that if one guy gets it, he'll most likely infect quite a few other people because they keep using the same few guys over and over again.

[ann_nonymous]

I found this today:
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2004050418060002726488&dt=20040504180600&w=RTR&coview=
It is the latest and mentions a transexual by the name she goes by in the industry Jennifer.

[Lobo]

Here's a better link to a much bigger picture of Jennifer, her story/pic is the third from the top:
http://hardcoregossip.com/index.php

I recognize her from a couple of recent videos I've seen. And I'm positive I've seen a few galleries of hers on shemaleyum. She's apparently back in New York now.

[GroobySteven]

Not appeared on Yum as far as I know.
seanchai

[rick]

I'm not so sure about the young ones being safer than the old ones. As Mega has said many times, these kids have been fucking around with their hood rat boyfriends since early teens. Some tgirls even start out as hood rats.

I can tell a tgrl x-hood rat from a mile away.......cheap shit tatoo's and gaudy make up. I also stay far away from anyone that has bad skin and tries to cover it up with a ton a makeup.

You can also tell if a tgrl has been around by the amount of silicon pumped into her butt, and if the face looks like a mask thats a bad sign too. Holy shit, I'm eliminating alot of tgrls here. Sorry 'bout that grls, but if you're gonna charge alot of dough, get ready to be looked over very closely. Tgrls do the same thing......if the guy is a fat dork they tack on 100+ bucks to the price. I see it all the time. If you play your cards right or just get lucky you can bag a Bobs T-girl level girl for under 100 bucks. I have never paid over 150 and I've been with most of the best tgrls in Los Angeles. And in almost every case I had a great time.......that was before all this aids shit started happening, and I've got news for you all, it didn't just start with this last AIM roundup........I started my ultra saftey routine 2 years ago after several of the tgrls themselves told me to be more careful. Thanks grls......I will

[AllanahStarrNYC]

rick

your anologies and philosophies have truly enlightened us.
thanks to you we now know:

hood rats wear gaudy make up an have cheap tatoos.

u can tell if someone has been around by the size of their ass

that the term "bag a girl" is now back in use since the ice age

that escorts now tax a 100 dollars "fat dork" surcharge

tha you slept with thw models from bob's tgirls "before the aids thing started happening" which was 1984-

and then some guys wonder why some girls are the way they are

[WendyWilliams]

LOL Allanah

[Lobo]

rick,
Just out of curiosity, what's your "ultra safety routine".

[Triggy]

Probably:

1. Place cock in right hand
2. Close eyes
3. Think of England

:wink:

[rick]

rick

your anologies and philosophies have truly enlightened us.
thanks to you we now know:

hood rats wear gaudy make up an have cheap tatoos.

u can tell if someone has been around by the size of their ass

that the term "bag a girl" is now back in use since the ice age

that escorts now tax a 100 dollars "fat dork" surcharge

tha you slept with thw models from bob's tgirls "before the aids thing started happening" which was 1984-

and then some guys wonder why some girls are the way they are

ooh....you are kinda ok at misquoting and twisting words.....ok, let me make it plain.......any tgrl that has had alot of cosmetics done has probably sucked 3500 miles worth of dick to pay for it....ie, silicon ass, mask face.......hood rat tgrls do have lots of cheap tatoos, go to 7969 any friday night and see for yourself. I see tgrls jack theirs prices up all the time.....as a matter of fact, I helped film a documentary on hookers and have interviewed 100's........ lot said they charge less for guys they really like. By the way, I even spoke to you when you came out to LA, I think it was last year. You were staying somewhere on Wilshire if I remember correctly. I could tell just by the deadpan sound of your voice that nothing on you probably worked.........limp dick city.......is that ice age too? By the way, Aids started, really started in 1979. I think you've had so much semen pumped up your ass it went to your brain.......how am I doin'......?

[ann_nonymous]

I think someone has issues, or maybe has been burned one to many times.
So what if some of these gyrls have problems everyone does and I can see this from what you are writing that you have some heavy issues....


Probably Allanah shot you down faster than the speed of light.

What some people consider crap others consider gold think about that because everyone has different standards............

Yes I am always gonna play it safe........

[rick]

I think someone has issues, or maybe has been burned one to many times.
So what if some of these gyrls have problems everyone does and I can see this from what you are writing that you have some heavy issues....


Probably Allanah shot you down faster than the speed of light.

What some people consider crap others consider gold think about that because everyone has different standards............

Yes I am always gonna play it safe........

dream on...I was just responding to others from the previous posts.......and I was even being more polite. Shot down?, what a laugh. I'm not sure that either you or her can read and understand english that well.........get a clue, the ts scene is alive and well on the net only. The escort side of it is dying........with good reason!

(oh, and by the way, I've never been burned........alot of the girls now just do biz with I friends.......as far as porn money, not that good, even if you get a box shot, which is why most tgrl porn queens still advertise on ERO's)

[AllanahStarrNYC]

First of all-

If you are looking to incite some sort of argument with me, save your time because I don't participtae in low brow debates.

And to correct U- AIDS has existed longer than 79. AIDS means u have done something to your immune system which has caused it to fail- i.e disease, lifestyle. Malnutrition, dirty water, and drug use can also devestate the imnune system. HIV is a PROBABLE cause of AIDS- AND IN 1984 LUC MONTAGIER IN FRANCE, ISOLATED THE VIRUS AND THE HYPOTHESIS OF HIV=AIDS was born.


Secondly, as far as your argument of my functioning penis, well, I think there is enough evidence on the net, print, and film to contradict your hypothesis.

And last, I am sure I did not meet you in LA becuase I don't operate like a flea market. I don't haggle darling.

Oh and a bit of advice, when someone usually tells you they are cute on the phone, it usually means they are not when they show up on your doorstep. People who usually feel the need the to tell you they are cute, are those breed of people who really think they are good loooking and have no self awreness. That might be good as an argument for ego maniacs, but confidence and being humble are much more sexy-regardless if you are conventionally attractive or not.

[popperluv]

Allanah got no problem getting that cock hard, I know first hand.
On the other hand both Rick and Allanah made some good points.
The bottom line is play safe or risk getting burned.

[rick]

to tell you the truth, I think most of you all have some kind of vd or have had it before, and what most of you say is really contradicted by the fact that you have no skills or education and have to suck dicks for a living, not that I'm complaining, It's just too bad that in the last several years things have gotten to the point that most of the quality tgrls find escorting too dangerous. The scene is now twisted, you have vd, the police, and ripoffs on both sides. Also whats going wrong is that now one group of grls is putting down another group of grls. Between the cheap cosmetics, the disease, and the shit talk, you all have ruined it for yourselfs. Now the DOJ have decided to go after escort sites like this one so it's only a matter of time before HA is dust. Too bad.

I have no anger for anyone here, the tgrl scene is now just too pathetic to even consider anymore except to get one to jack you off. I'll switch over to CMT incall and AMP's and leave you all to yourselves, the aids hospice, and jail. Have fun!

[NYCe]

rick = peaches.

but I'm sure most of you realized that already.

[popperluv]

Its also odd that rick joined 3 day ago and has so much smack to talk!

[ann_nonymous]

Exactly what I was thinkin too.

[rick]

rick = peaches.

but I'm sure most of you realized that already.

nope......never even thought about this place until it was mentioned on TER.....just came here for fun......I'm enjoying it. I'll be going to 7969 on friday and club L on sat, maybe I'll buy me a half dozen or so 40 dollar handjobs......yeah, I think I can manage 3 pops a night. The 3rd one may be tough but WTF, it's only money

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Yeah it is either peaches or they now let mental patients have internet access.

[ann_nonymous]

Not trying to be rude but I still say this person has issues major issues. And by the way I think I read and speak english with more clarity than what you are giving me credit for.
In my opinion someone who tries to belittle others for certain problems usually sufers from it themself.
You ask how I came upon this?
10 years of medical experience along with training you tend to pickup the psycological problems of others. I see crap like this everyday from people.

[rick]

you dipzo's should backtrack a little and see who started this flame war..........not me!

Why don't you check out the other thread I posted on when I first got here. You dolts are the ones that started the hostilities, heh heh heh......

Hey but look, I don't care.....I fully support my tgrl friends and I'll bet I do alot more than most here and I'm not talking about paying for tgrl sex.

Tgrls have alot of other problems other than std's, like credit, getting power or telephone service, renting, it goes on and on. It's easy to be a part of the ts whore scene but I'll bet most of the cheap motherfuckers that post here are nowhere to be found when a tgrl needs legit help......what a sadassed state of affairs. Good thing I have my friends already made. I'd hate to be new on the scene, waaay too much bullshit......

[rick]

......your house? What a laugh! Your real house is probably a trailer and you, you are just a little girl. A little twinky girly boy.......see ya, twink!

Oh, and let me take a guess......Yale? Nope! Harvard? Uh uh! University of Kentucky Fried Chicken? Yup!

[rick]

Sorry for bothering you nice people on this site. :)
I'd especially like to apologize to guy for wasting his time, as well as Thanos.

[NYCe]

the medusa of this site, cut off one head, another pops up. Back to the hiv discussion.

[popperluv]

LOL ! Rick called Mega a twinky girly boy, If only you knew that Megas left bicept is bigger than your torso. LOL.
Anyway Rick when you enter a new place try to be a bit more humble, you might actually get laid one day without haveing to pay for it.

[ItsJustBill]

rick wrote:


I'll be going to 7969 on friday and club L on sat, maybe I'll buy me a half dozen or so 40 dollar handjobs......yeah, I think I can manage 3 pops a night.

so tell us Rick......if you don't pay your hand 40 bucks does it say no???
And if you pay 80 bucks will both hands join in so you can have a 3some?

[Tara Emory]

Yes, back to the HIV discussion.. I was reading somewhere in another post about how difficult it is to catch HIV, and it occurs to me that there was this one case of a guy who had a HIV partner and never caught it from him, even after almost certain exposure.

This was brought up on a PBS show called "Secrets of the Dead"- a show about the Black Death (bubonic Plague) in the middle ages. If memory serves me right- there was a certian population that were exposed to the plague (like caring for victims), and never caught it. Apparently they had a genetic mutation called "delta 32" that prevented them from getting it..

The theory goes that the same mutation also protects from HIV, though you have to be born with it (or something like you have to inherit it from both parents). Anyway, It's interesting to look into.

The whole funny thing about the HIV/AIDS epidemic is that if everyone that had HIV and knew it stopped having sex with uninfected people, and that (and this is kind of a brutal thing to say) anyone that had advanced AIDS didn't infect anyone - or died of the disease, then the disease you pretty much cease to exist..

-Tara

[Vicki Richter]

The whole funny thing about the HIV/AIDS epidemic is that if everyone that had HIV and knew it stopped having sex with uninfected people, and that (and this is kind of a brutal thing to say) anyone that had advanced AIDS didn't infect anyone - or died of the disease, then the disease you pretty much cease to exist..

-Tara

<sarcasm> Wow that sure is "funny". Maybe we should emtpy out Tucson, AZ, take the 600,000+ people with HIV in the United States and make them all live there. We could put radio frequency transmitters in each person to find out if they leave and shoot them on site. Of course then we we have to close our borders to anyone coming into the country, or quarantine them for 1-2 days for testing (including our own citizens). Then, because we are a superpower and all, we could do the same thing in every other part of the world through force. What a profound thought. I am surprised nobody has thought of this before. </sarcasm>

Seriously, I just think you had a poor choice of words and otherwise may have been stating the obvious. Kind of like saying, if a million people sent me a dollar.... I would have a million dollars. I think the main problem with HIV spreading is the people who have it and don't know they have it. People get a test (and not even a good one typically) once every six months to a year, have sex with a bunch of partners all the while saying they are clean. In their mind's eye they are. Reality may be different.

People like Gregg's friend, as you suggest, are kind of part of the problem too. People have the right to be informed about whether their partner has a transmittable disease, particularly one which the large portion of the medical community believes could become terminal.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I love these debates on here!

Fantastic.

Ok, I have something I have been working on guys but I have been so busy I have not been able to post it. Hopefully, I will be able to do so this week but it relates to the HIV=AIDs hypothesis. This is an article I am working on based on data and research.

I do have to say something, Vicki. There is stronger evidence now pointing towards the fact that HIV alone does not cause AIDS. Recent research published in The New England Journal of Medicine and by Luc Montagier (the first to isolate the HIV virus), many researchers now believe that there has to be a co factor in conjuction with HIV to cause AIDS. I.e., tb or mononeucleosis . There is a stronger and stronger school of thought who are refuting the HIV/AIDs hypothesis. However, medicine takes a very long time to change te staus quo.
Example, the use of estrogen in women to combat heart disease. Estrogen treatment was used for years until they recently discovered that Estrogens double the risk of cancer in women. Will the researchers go back and apologize? Of course not.
Medicine in this country is a business run by huge and powerful pharmaceutical companies that push drugs.
Example, Luc Montagier studied a small village in Africa who was constantly exposed to HIV infection. Yet, no onein the village had developed AIDS or died there of. He came to discover that this particular tribes diet consisted of high amounts of Papaya. Perflexed, he began to study
the effects of fermented Papaya extract on the immune system. A study was done in Paris of two groups of HIV positve people. One group was treated with the conventional HIV meds and the other with the fermented papaya extract. In 6 months time, the results stated that the people who took the fermented papaya extract had the same, if not better effects on the immnune system than the HIV medication and with no side effects.
Dr. Montagier published this study in the New England Journal of Medicine and was received with great criticism from the NIH even though they had solid facts. (By the way, Dr. Montagier is now treating the Pope for his Parkinsons with the extract, and there are reports his health has greatly improved) The NIH research is partly funded by huge pharmaceutical company grants whose job it is to sell drugs.
Now, can something so simple as Papaya extract help people with battered immnue systems? Why not. Many modern medicines are based on extracts from plants, etc. The problem is you can not patent a plant,
so the Drug companies add something to the mixed to patentened as their own. I.E, aspirin is derived from the bark root tree. Imagine, how much money would be lost if all the super expensive HIV cocktails and meds would stop being in demand.

The fact is that HIV is NOT new disease. Prior to the renaming of it as HIV, thre HIV virus was called the HSV3 virus. In the 20's, 30's. 40's, and so on, when people died from strange diseases, blood and tissue samples were often kept for further study. Current testing of these DNA samples, have concluded that some of these tissues had the HIV RNA in their DNA.
Pretty interesting huh? Because our society has now become so much more open and sexually active, perhaps HIV has spread much easier to the population.

In any case, their is one thing that is also very interesting about the structure of HIV. HIV is a retrovirus, which means it infects the body, multiplies, and depends on keeping its host alive in order to reproduce itself. If the current theory abot HIV is correct, then it implicates that it acts like no other retrovirus that exists. Retrovirus invade the system, multiply and die (their anti body remains)-they do not lie dormant for years, and they depend of their host to stay alive in order for it to survive.
If what is now said about the HIV virus is true- then it is a paradox. And in nature, there are no paradoxes.

I am sorry, if I am not stating exact research quotes and sources but I promise to do so very soon in a much more comprehensive article.
I am doing so because I want you all to be informed at the other research that is going on and studies the media does no pick up on.

It could very well be that everything they have said about HIV=AIDs has been incorrect. This is something we should all know and be aware of.

PS. I welcome any rebuttals and criticisms. OH and here is another little fact about AIDS. It is now believed that AZT was indeed to blame for the huge surge amounts of AIDs deaths when the drug was first being dispensed. AZT is a poison that kills the bone marrow and it was given in such huge doses that most of these "AIDS' patients developed Leukemia and died from complications.

[popperluv]

Do you think Aids is a man made disease?

[popperluv]

Some people say thats why our country(USA) is so rich, cause we dont have full health coverage.
Has anyone noticed that seasonal allergies only happen in the USA. Ive been sneezing and itching my eyes for about two months now and Ive spent more than a 100$ on different shit at the pharmacy.
This back up Allanahs claim about the big Pharmacuticle companies that make big profit off us getting sick.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

It is my belief that AIDS in part is a man made disease int he sense that lifestyle choices and abuses often plays a huge part in the destruction of the immune system.

AND YES
medicine is this business, is big big big big big business.
drugs are pushed and solf for everything
if u watch tv elewhere around the world, you will not see 1,000 ads for medicines a day

they have to keep you sick in orser to make money

[EnglishGuy]

popperluv,

Seasonal allergies do not only happen in the USA! I wish they did but here in the UK we have this happen all the time. Damp cold weathre in the winter months(that often last 5-7 months) make many people have bad chests here and hay fever is terrible in the UK. However, now I have put you right I want to agree with you. I am for one asthmatic and suffer from a bad chest from time to time, the pharma companies I am sure have a cure for asthma but will not release it due to so many people having to pay, like me, £12.80 per month to keep well and alive..thats about $20. Anyway, we aint gonna change it because money makes the world go round and shemales make my head go round!!! I lived in the USA for a while(2 years) and did not see that many adds for medicines, I mostly saw the cheap homemade car slaes showroom ones that made e laugh..oh no sorry, it was American TV that made me laugh!!!! Sorry I loved the USA but the Telly was awful!! I am off thread here so I'll stop! As for AIDS, too many people in Africa have it(or HIV) so manufacturers wont release a cure because they have $$$$££££££££ intheir eyes. Only when the disease causes more devestation in the west will governments push to get the cure.

[Tara Emory]

Yes, Vicki, it may have been a poor choice of words.. I was only stating things in a rather cold and Darwinian way, and not meant to offend anyone.

I think people need to get tested a lot more often and the PCR DNA test the adult industry uses should be the common test. I have actually had the 6-month window test done and mentioned the PCR DNA test and the clinic didn't know wht I was talking about!!

-Tara

[seaman]

Popperluv and Allanah -

You're right the Big Rx makes money when we're sick and love to convince us that we should run to the pharmacy every time we sneeze, when reality is...a large portion of the drugs we take are purely palliative: they don't make us better they just make us feel better.

Funny thing is, rich coverage is, in fact, the reason big pharma as well as big rich physician exists. If you didn't have and Rx benefit would you think twice about running to the pharmacy or the doctor when you've got a self-inflicted hangover?

Popperluv, if the allergy Rx meds don't work, why get em? The notion that lack of universal health coverage is the reason we're rich is preposterous! In fact, our wealth and rich coverage are the reasons health care is so expensive. If, rather than blow your money on useless meds, you paid into an indigent care pool, problem solved. But, since you have the money and rich coverage, you use it.

Also, Allanah, just to clarify, NIH is a government-funded agency that operates under HHS. It actually makes research grants to private companies, including big pharma. The Feds hold the cards, so if you want more responsible AIDS research, lobby your congressman, not your pharmacist. Just remember too, it was Bob Gallo from NIH that originally stole from our friend Luc.

[Robb]

Actually PCR based HIV tests are not intended to be used as a screening test or as diagnostic test to confirm the presence of HIV infection. PCR is used to determine viral load not screening or diagnosing. I have included a scan image of the amplicor hiv-1 monitor test as proof of this.

[Robb]

In addition to my last post, the inventor of PCR or the Polymerase Chain Reaction, Kary Mullis, won a Nobel Prize for that invention and he doesn't even believe HIV is the cause of AIDS. That's right the inventor of the only technology available that allowed scientists to detect actually HIV in a persons blood (rather than just antibodies, like the ELISA or Western Blot) doesn't believe HIV causes AIDS. It begs all kinds of questions. Questions that label you a troll, holocaust denier, or homophobe just for asking.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I am a strong promoter of condom use!

I don't care if the guy has a hiv test a week or a day before that tells me he is clean, he could of slept with someone the night before.

I will never do a bareback scene.

And its truly sad how the hetero community even some of my gfs think they are invincible to the aids virus, because they are "straight"

I really think this stigma needs to be talked about and put to rest.

Anyone can get aids, its not discriminatory, it is open to anyone!

And I really like the facts that Allanah is bringing up.

very wise.

[Robb]

Studies show that the risk of HIV transmission from female to male is 0.01-0.32% (2, 3), and the current likelihood of female to male infection after a single exposure is 0.01-0.1% (2). That's very low. And only .5% of people in the US have hiv. And lets assume 1/2 are women which is not true (more men have hiv), but just for estimation sake .25% of women have it. So .1%x.25%=.00025%. So your chance as a man of getting hiv from a random woman is .00025%. That is also pretty low.

But of course, there are plenty of other nasty diseases that you are much more likely to get. So if your banging strangers, you should wear a glove.



2. Downs AM, De Vincenzi I. Probability of heterosexual transmission of HIV: relationship to the number of unprotected sexual contacts. European Study Group in Heterosexual Transmission of HIV. J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr Hum Retrovirol. 1996 Apr 1;11(4):388-95.


3. Wiley JA, Herschhkorn SJ, Padian NS. Heterogeneity in the probability of HIV transmission per sexual contact: the case of male-to-female transmission in penile-vaginal intercourse. Stat Med 1989;8:93-102.