Shemale without hormones?

[pablo6989]

hey

Is it reasonable to be shemale without hormone therapy?

Of course I assume good backround- i.e. good body.

I mean I am 26 male but very slim and rather delicate in appearance also have delicate face - not typical masculine one.

So could it be reasonable to:

-shave body,

- have breast implants attached

- some surgery to remove madculine features of the face (nose shape, chin etc)

- wear heels and wig ;)

Greets

[tsmirandameadows]

It's certainly possible, although the question is what are you hoping to gain by not using hormones? I mean this is where I'm at after 10 months on an implanted pellets regimen and the only thing I've lost is my fertility -- there's no sperm in my ejaculate. Given how much cheaper hormones are than surgery, even with expensive delivery methods like how I get mine, I think effective hormonal feminization is far preferable to the surgical route.

[EvaCassini]

I wouldn't.

Unless you go to a back ally surgeon in Thailand, as far as I know, no doctor will do anything surgically until you have seen psychiatrists for a while and have been on hormones for at least 2-3 years, and continue to take hormones for the rest of your life. That's what it is to be "shemale" ( transsexual ). Let alone all the legal stuff like legal name change, gender marker change, and ssn.

[Jackal]

Is this something lost in translation? What exactly are you hoping for? If you are not transgender, then transitioning could be a big mistake.

[tsmirandameadows]

Is this something lost in translation? What exactly are you hoping for? If you are not transgender, then transitioning could be a big mistake.

Yeah I suspect here there's something that isn't being articulated properly into English. His suggestion of having breast implants "attached" was especially odd, as if they are something you can pop on and off as the mood takes you.

[bluesoul]

Yeah I suspect here there's something that isn't being articulated properly into English. His suggestion of having breast implants "attached" was especially odd, as if they are something you can pop on and off as the mood takes you.

i'm guessing english isn't pablo6989's native language- in which case it's easy to excuse some his grammatical errors. its kinda easy to see why someone who doesn't speak english would use the word "attach" breast implants.

anyhoo- i think the best advice for pablo6989 would be to seek some professional help from a psychiatrist if you are thinking about transitioning. maybe you can find a solution that is unique for you that doesn't require hormone therapy

[Jackal]

The part of wearing shoes and wigs makes me wonder if OP is just interested in crossdressing or maybe performing drag...or is OP transgender or bigender? As others have said, you should seek counsel before jumping to plastic surgery. To answer the question if transsexuals can look attractive without hormones, yes but I can't say that means hormones are to be avoided. I'm no expert, so seek the advice of one.

[EvaCassini]

something that "doesn't require extensive hormone therapy" is called cross-dressing. Which means, no surgeries, no hormones, and no legal changes.

The main reason we take hormones is because we are wanting to permanently change the "make-up" of our body's chemicals to get and maintain a feminine look to match our mental state of being female.

[Wendy Summers]

Don't forget there are transsexuals who medically are unable to take hormones. ;)

[bald3030]

absolutely gorgeous!

[TsMelodyStar]

Graham (One night in Bangkok Man gets Breast Implants ) from Central Queensland Middlemount - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mtzTTR6_jM)

[TsMelodyStar]

http://instagram.com/p/fXXuBKw1Py/ A guy who got breast implants and is very proud of them :D

[TsMelodyStar]

You can do whatever you want, but if your soul isn't truly essence of female, femininity, no matter how much hormones or surgeries you get it won't change. Auras are real.

[VictoriaVeil]

You can do whatever you want, but if your soul isn't truly essence of female, femininity, no matter how much hormones or surgeries you get it won't change. Auras are real.

rock on. :iagree:

[pablo6989]

Thanks for replies. sorry for that "attached" word. I meant to have plastic surgery and got breast implants just as they are oridinary placed into your chest/breast permanently :) (removal needs another surgeon action).

But just guess is it possible to have such operation not being female nor being on hormones therapy.

Yeah English is not my native language, but I am doing my best :)

[tsmirandameadows]

Thanks for replies. sorry for that "attached" word. I meant to have plastic surgery and got breast implants just as they are oridinary placed into your chest/breast permanently :) (removal needs another surgeon action).

But just guess is it possible to have such operation not being female nor being on hormones therapy.

Yeah English is not my native language, but I am doing my best :)

No worries about English not being your first language, and I'm sorry if I came off as disparaging of that fact; I'm simply a bit confused about what it is you're wanting to achieve.

So what do you want exactly? You mentioned breast implants and facial feminization surgery -- both very permanent things which dramatically alter your appearance -- but also mentioned wearing a wig -- a very temporary thing and one which you'll quickly get sick of if you're intent is to live full time as a woman -- and likewise you don't seem to want to pursue hormone therapy. So I guess the question is do you want to live full-time as a woman, or do you wish to be a part-time girl, primarily living as male, sometimes living as female? Some clarity on this point, or at least a discussion of what you're thinking and feeling if you're uncertain which of the two you want, would help a great deal if I and the other girls on the forum are to give you useful advice. :)

[pablo6989]

Hey,

yeah, it could be confusing a bit...

in my perfect day dream I would like have girl shaped body and...dick, also have low pitch voice ;)

But live is real and far different from dreams...

I am bisexual and crossdress from time to time. I am not female in male body, however I have female side reflecting my personality and behaviour; as a man I am sensitive and emotional (to much for a male I think). I like crossdress because like feeling of being attractive slut. Feeling that cannot be achieved in oridinary heterosexual relationship as male.

I am not into fashion that much however, just enjoy sexy clothes and outfits.
So I am away from hormnoe terapy because afraid of it and also because it disables penis functions. Yeah it is strange; I like to be sexy slut in heels (In homosexual relations I am passive), but wanna have 100% functional penis :)

P.S. If my English is at times not good ,please give me hints or lessons. I can brush-up my English skills here as well ;)

Greets


No worries about English not being your first language, and I'm sorry if I came off as disparaging of that fact; I'm simply a bit confused about what it is you're wanting to achieve.

So what do you want exactly? You mentioned breast implants and facial feminization surgery -- both very permanent things which dramatically alter your appearance -- but also mentioned wearing a wig -- a very temporary thing and one which you'll quickly get sick of if you're intent is to live full time as a woman -- and likewise you don't seem to want to pursue hormone therapy. So I guess the question is do you want to live full-time as a woman, or do you wish to be a part-time girl, primarily living as male, sometimes living as female? Some clarity on this point, or at least a discussion of what you're thinking and feeling if you're uncertain which of the two you want, would help a great deal if I and the other girls on the forum are to give you useful advice. :)

[pablo6989]

no ideas?
or maybe my english is too hard;)?

[EvaCassini]

Hey,

yeah, it could be confusing a bit...

in my perfect day dream I would like have girl shaped body and...dick, also have low pitch voice ;)

But live is real and far different from dreams...

I am bisexual and crossdress from time to time. I am not female in male body, however I have female side reflecting my personality and behaviour; as a man I am sensitive and emotional (to much for a male I think). I like crossdress because like feeling of being attractive slut. Feeling that cannot be achieved in oridinary heterosexual relationship as male.

I am not into fashion that much however, just enjoy sexy clothes and outfits.
So I am away from hormnoe terapy because afraid of it and also because it disables penis functions. Yeah it is strange; I like to be sexy slut in heels (In homosexual relations I am passive), but wanna have 100% functional penis :)

P.S. If my English is at times not good ,please give me hints or lessons. I can brush-up my English skills here as well ;)

Greets


Everyone has a "female" type of side as every human in the world has estrogen in the body. Dressing up just to feel like "an attractive slut" for terms of "wanting to pursue breast implants and stuff" is not the proper way of thinking of a transgender person. If you went to a doctor to pursue anything like a transgender person wants, the doctor would just blatantly deny you to pursue this coarse of action.

Yes, you can find a female who is into that stuff. There's over 7 billion humans on this planet and i know you can find one. Best place to look for a female who is into that is through Fetlife.com.

Everyone is different, this is key to understand that hormones ( let alone any drug we take ) effects everyone differently. I have been on hormones for almost 4 yrs and my penis is still fully functional and I still cum. My cum is a bit clear-ish white but it's cum nonetheless.

Last thing that clearly needs to be understood. Sex ( physical. either a penis or vagina or both ) Gender ( the mental state of being female or male or both ) Sexual Orientation ( being attracted to either male, females, or trans...i.e. gay, lesbian, bi, pan, or even asexual )

Those 3 things I listed ( Sex, Gender, and Orientation ) are 3 completely different entities that have nothing to do with each other. Otherwise there would not be any gay people.

I.E. Hetero begets hetero. But we know for a fact that that is not the case. Hetero couples who reproduce may produce a Homo child and/or a Trans child. ( This is the same "thinking" that some people think of marriage. Many right wing people BELIEVE that Gay marriage is the downfall of that sacred institution of marriage but they always seem to forget that MOST HETERO marriages end, not by death, but by divorce. Over 50% )

Humans are just highly evolved animals ( by highly, I mean no where near the top but close enough to get us out of the food chain by gaining/possessing intelligence and adapting ). So with we being just animals, the "feelings/behaviors" we have are very completely natural.

Science has shown that a number of animals will adapt to harsh environments by changing sex to repopulate. Also it has shown that homosexuality is very natural and many animals engage in homosexual behavior such as the Caribou, Bison, Goats, Penguins, Chicken, Salmon, and many, many other species.


I digress...lol.

[Gillian]

I digress...lol.
Just a bit ...

(but we love you for it ... :D

[EvaCassini]

Just a bit ...

(but we love you for it ... :D


hehe

[pablo6989]

Yeah I am chaotic in my desires...

Maybe should stay in crossdress/drag queen league...

One question:

Some men go through hormone therapy and plastic surgeries but they refuse to take sex organs transformation surgery (penis to vagina), so they do not conduct 100% transition to female. Why?

As example Miriam (Mexican TS from famous TV show). Born as male, she looks like beautiful woman now but acoording to my info she has got a penis.

Second (counter)example Dana International (Israeli pop singer). Born as male, changed to female completely (sex organs also).

I mean above 100% female as possible with modern medicine - no pregnancy possible yet :)

[EvaCassini]

That's either a personal decision ( because they feel at ease with their penis ) OR more likely because SRS is a VERY...VERY...VERY expensive surgery ( 10,000-20,000 dollars ) and EXTREMELY permanent. It is the most drastic thing that a transgirl can have done ( Not bad drastic, but drastic as in "Once it's done, it's done, and there's no going back." )

The difference between You, and girls like myself and 99.9% of the transgirls you see and hear about is that We, transition our bodies by means of hormones. Hormones ( although not as drastic as SRS, "surgery-wise" ) have a deep and long lasting to permanent impact on our bodies and mind.

It's not just because we want boobs to play with or to have long pretty hair and wear pretty clothes to be sexy...We do this because OUR mentality is female ( basically our minds born in the wrong body ) and we want the outside to match our minds because genetics made a mistake ( a mutation, if you will ) while we were being developed in the womb.

[Gillian]

Picking up on the point about girls not fully transitioning, can we say there is a gender state that is somewhere between male and female? Is gender necessarily a binary state (male or female) or are there third, fourth, fifth alternative states? Is it in fact a continuum?

How many girls here, even if they originally planned to transition from male to female now feel that they're quite happy to stop, indefinitely or otherwise, in a transgendered state?

Insisting on describing people only as distinctly male or female just seems wrong to me ...

[EvaCassini]

That's why I mentioned personal decisions and feeling "right" in ones body. There are more than just 2 perceived genders. For example.... My girlfriend Jamie French. It is her wish to keep her penis. She is happy with her "plumbing" ( her own description lol ).

Myself for example. I do wish to finalize my transition...BUT...I know that SRS's price tag is incredibly high for me AND I really do enjoy the work I do ( Porns )AT LEAST for 5-10 years...AT LEAST. Surgery is about 10k - 20k.
Also who knows...maybe by that time ( whether I have that money or not ) I may feel I want to postpone a few more years...IDK. :D

The reason I have made a stance about the OP's questions, is because of the permanent effects of what he thinks he wants. What he really truly needs to do is seek the advice and guidance of professional doctors and psychiatrists, and commit to do that for at least a few years BEFORE making any rash and impulsive decisions that he may regret extensively.

Trust me. I've been through years of therapy and I am sure many of the girls here and in the industry and those who are not, have gone through a good amount of therapy.

[proser30]

Contrary to many of the posts on here, You can get a boob job, Facial Feminization or even SRS whatever with $$$$ .

Most surgeons even in the USA don't even bother asking if you had mental counseling.You pay for it they will do it.

I know several drag queens that have gotten work done without hormones and they still live as mostly male. They say they did it for their job as drag queens, but who knows.

If boobs are what you want surgery is the best way to get the biggest.

[pantybulge69]

i admit to being very naive in learning how hormone treatment (or lack of)
affects transgender. the tgirls i am aquainted with either don't explain it
well enough, too sensitive or too personally private to talk about it
or i'm too much of a fuck-headed to understand what they are talking
this discussion board is the closiest source i have to try to understand
how they affect transgenders.

i did often wonder why hormone treatments cannot always alter the
voice of transgender females. The "low- pitch" tone in question.
Ironically i had always heard that steroids CAN have that kind of on females.
Particulary ones that use it in bodybuilding.

i see a number of escort ads where Tproviders insist that they are NOT
on hormones (as to boast how functional they are ?) but if they are not
using hormones, then how do they gain (or sustain) their femininity?
Is this a case where everyone's body is affected differently ?

[tsmirandameadows]

Estrogen does not have much effect at all on the thickness of the vocal cords: note how teenage girls, unlike teenage boys, do not go through a period of a month or so in which their voice suddenly "changes". Testosterone does however thicken the vocal cords, causing them to vibrate at a lower frequency and resonate with a much fuller and richer sound. Once your vocal cords have thickened due to testosterone that is irreversible. With practice, you can develop a convincing female voice -- mine is close but not all the way there -- but you will always be able to go back down to that male voice. Here's a voice sample of mine comparing the two: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1QbXa2WgMjo

With escorts who advertise that they are not on hormones, what they're trying to suggest is that they won't have difficulty getting hard or cumming. With most hormone regimens, but particularly with oral hormones, you need to take what's called an antiandrogen, a medicine which suppresses testosterone production, eventually eliminating the presence of testosterone in your bloodstream. Now you don't need much testosterone to have a functioning dick, in fact testosterone levels similar to a genetic female are fine for getting hard although overtime you will gradually cum less and less, but if you have NO testosterone AT ALL, then you WILL have a rough time getting hard. So again, what these escorts are betting is that you want to see them get hard and cum big, and being off hormones and having male testosterone levels will make both of those things much easier.

Frankly, I find such advertising, if true, a total turn off, and I say this as a tgirl who does like other tgirls. While there's a lot of things hormones can't do -- like reverse the thickening of your vocal cords -- there's a lot of things they can do. If you're not on hormones, your skin isn't going to be as soft, your sweat will smell like a man's sweat, your body hair will still be as thick and coarse as ever, etc. Now some of that can be overcome through procedures and surgery, but the simple reality is that surgery is a brute force solution. With hormones -- IF the regimen is effective -- you get much more natural and realistic feminization, where as surgery alone often means the girl's body just looks and feels like a skinny guy's with breast implants and silicone injections.

[pantybulge69]

Estrogen does not have much effect at all on the thickness of the vocal cords: note how teenage girls, unlike teenage boys, do not go through a period of a month or so in which their voice suddenly "changes". Testosterone does however thicken the vocal cords, causing them to vibrate at a lower frequency and resonate with a much fuller and richer sound. Once your vocal cords have thickened due to testosterone that is irreversible. With practice, you can develop a convincing female voice -- mine is close but not all the way there -- but you will always be able to go back down to that male voice. Here's a voice sample of mine comparing the two: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1QbXa2WgMjo

With escorts who advertise that they are not on hormones, what they're trying to suggest is that they won't have difficulty getting hard or cumming. With most hormone regimens, but particularly with oral hormones, you need to take what's called an antiandrogen, a medicine which suppresses testosterone production, eventually eliminating the presence of testosterone in your bloodstream. Now you don't need much testosterone to have a functioning dick, in fact testosterone levels similar to a genetic female are fine for getting hard although overtime you will gradually cum less and less, but if you have NO testosterone AT ALL, then you WILL have a rough time getting hard. So again, what these escorts are betting is that you want to see them get hard and cum big, and being off hormones and having male testosterone levels will make both of those things much easier.

Frankly, I find such advertising, if true, a total turn off, and I say this as a tgirl who does like other tgirls. While there's a lot of things hormones can't do -- like reverse the thickening of your vocal cords -- there's a lot of things they can do. If you're not on hormones, your skin isn't going to be as soft, your sweat will smell like a man's sweat, your body hair will still be as thick and coarse as ever, etc. Now some of that can be overcome through procedures and surgery, but the simple reality is that surgery is a brute force solution. With hormones -- IF the regimen is effective -- you get much more natural and realistic feminization, where as surgery alone often means the girl's body just looks and feels like a skinny guy's with breast implants and silicone injections.

thanks for the interesting notes miranda.:kiss: Besides the voice mystery,i forgot to inquire about weight gain issues as well but perhaps at another time.

[Jamie French]

Vocal pitch has everything to do with the length of the vocal chords. Longer chords = lower pitch. When boys go through puberty their vocal chords lengthen... women? Not so much. Folks that start hormone therapy before puberty have natural sounding female voices because the chords never lengthened. A few surgeons offer to shorten them but surgery is the only thing that'll physically effect how deep someone's voice will be.

[south ov da border]

I am enjoying the insight on this post. Thank you all for sharing.

[littletwink]

Picking up on the point about girls not fully transitioning, can we say there is a gender state that is somewhere between male and female? Is gender necessarily a binary state (male or female) or are there third, fourth, fifth alternative states? Is it in fact a continuum?

How many girls here, even if they originally planned to transition from male to female now feel that they're quite happy to stop, indefinitely or otherwise, in a transgendered state?

Insisting on describing people only as distinctly male or female just seems wrong to me ...

I love the perspectives and information shared by Miranda and Eva here, and I appreciate the questions you asked, because my personal gender identity varies. I am a genetic male, but hormonally female. Both my testosterone and estrogen levels are normal for a woman my age. I don't have the extreme women experience when they ovulate, but that's the only real difference.

I'm thankful to have a few close friends who are very open-minded. Although professional therapy (psychological and hormone) has been suggested for me, I have not felt the need. I'm able to be a part-time girl as just a regular part of being me. Fortunately for me, for my work, I'm able to present as either male, female, or androgynous individual. I sometimes feel more girly, and sometimes feel more like a guy, and since it varies from day-to-day I often simply identify as a part-time crossdresser.