Infected porn stars: HIV outbreak shows industry needs to get serious about condoms

[nysprod]

Porn actors Cameron Bay and her boyfriend Rod Daily, both of whom recently tested positive for HIV, held a news conference in Hollywood on Wednesday to speak out about the need for condoms in the industry.

By David Knowles / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

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Cameron Bay, an adult film performer who became infected with HIV while working in the industry in August 2013, cries as she speaks out about her treatment by the porn industry during a news conference sponsored by the AIDS Healthcare Foundation.

Sexual fantasy has suddenly given way to a harsh reality.

Porn actors Cameron Bay and her boyfriend Rod Daily held an emotional news conference in Hollywood on Wednesday, taking aim at what they see as lax health standards that lead them both to contract the HIV virus.

Bay had been in the porn industry just three months before learning on August 21 that she was HIV-positive. A previous test on July 27 had come back negative, and Bay attributes the source of her infection to a July 31 film shoot with San Francisco-based fetish porn company Kink.com.

During that shoot, Bay said, an actor developed a cut on his penis, but cameras kept rolling as the scene with Bay continued to be shot.

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Bay and her real-life boyfriend, adult film actor Rod Daily, both recently tested positive for HIV.

"I'm not here to push anything down anybody's throat, I'm not here to fight anybody's fight," Bay said, fighting back tears. "I'm just here to share my story and to get knowledge out there to people and try to prevent anything like this happening to anyone else."

Daily, who has often shot gay scenes in which the use of condoms is much more prevalent than in straight films, said the sudden spike in reported HIV cases could have been prevented.

After a two-week moratorium on making X-rated films, the Free Speech Coalition, a Los Angeles trade group, announced that companies would resume filming porn on Friday. The group said it would also revise its guidelines mandating that porn actors be tested every 14 days rather than the current standard of every 28, for HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases.

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"I do know for a fact that condoms will work, have worked, do work," Rod Daily said at Wendesday's news conference.

The AIDS Healthcare Foundation has long pushed for the porn industry to require actors to use condoms while on set, but Kink.com founder Peter Acworth says that the responsibility lies with the porn stars.

"All of our models are informed that they request a condom at any time, that they can stop a shoot at any time, and that they control the scene... We take consent and safety seriously," Acworth said in a written statement.

Actor Patrick Stone said the problem goes beyond offering condoms to performers, and noted at the press conference that Kink.com had scheduled him for a film shoot despite the fact that he had received a false-positive HIV test.

"They had me scheduled for a shoot tomorrow, and as far as they knew, I was HIV positive," he said at the press conference.

AIDS Healthcare Foundation President Michael Weinstein added that even regular testing is insufficient when it comes to protecting the health of porn workers.

"Whether or not [Bay] was infected on set, she performed with HIV between her tests," Weinstein told the LA Times. "If you think that Russian roulette is a great way to protect workers, then the present system is perfect."

[bluesoul]

but didn't they get infected by sexual activities outside the porn industry?

maybe they should be holding a press conference to insist that people wear condoms when engaging in sexual relations with people who aren't familiar with their hiv status

[nysprod]

but didn't they get infected by sexual activities outside the porn industry?

maybe they should be holding a press conference to insist that people wear condoms when engaging in sexual relations with people who aren't familiar with their hiv status

The article said "Bay attributes the source of her infection to a July 31 film shoot with San Francisco-based fetish porn company Kink.com.
During that shoot, Bay said, an actor developed a cut on his penis, but cameras kept rolling as the scene with Bay continued to be shot."

But who really knows.

[bluesoul]

But who really knows.

interesting especially considering:


The only scene not shot in LA was her last scene, shot on July 31 for Kink.com in San Francisco, where the company is based. It's also the only time she shot BDSM (Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism) and anal sex.

Bay was told that condoms were optional on that final shoot. She told people on set that she would leave the choice up to her male scene partner. Bay said to HuffPost she didn't think she needed to ask for a condom because her male co-star had a negative STD test. Kink.com confirmed to HuffPost that Bay was offered a condom but it was not used.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/12/cameron-bay-porn-hiv_n_3867014.html

[BellaBellucci]

Still #teamcondoms.

~BB~

[Quiet Reflections]

one thing I hate is when people are told time and time again "safety first" and then choose to ignore that advice for whatever reason, only to later contract some illness and start preaching safety like the rest of the world wasn't saying "wrap it up". I don't wish disease on anyone but I don't want to hear shit from people that ignore safety precautions and then have to suffer because of their own stupidity.

[nysprod]

The Huff Post article also said "Bay's last negative HIV test was on July 26, which cleared her to perform until Aug. 26. But she said she decided to get tested early on Aug. 19 because she heard a performer she had worked with had hepatitis C. That's when Bay was blindsided by the news that she had HIV."

Now, I'm not claiming to be any sort of expert regarding HIV but apparently, 30 days between tests doesn't work to protect performers since Bay tested HIV+ just 24 days after her previous negative test.

[nysprod]

one thing I hate is when people are told time and time again "safety first" and then choose to ignore that advice for whatever reason, only to later contract some illness and start preaching safety like the rest of the world wasn't saying "wrap it up". I don't wish disease on anyone but I don't want to hear shit from people that ignore safety precautions and then have to suffer because of their own stupidity.

It's apparently not quite as simple as that:

During her scenes, none of the male performers she had sex with ever used a condom, she said. One female performer told her, "Don't even bring it up because they have somebody waiting to replace you."

"I learned that there's always someone younger and sexier, willing to do something you're not. It's a dog-eat-dog world," Bay said in an exclusive interview with The Huffington Post. "I think we need more choices because of that. Condoms should be a choice."

[Quiet Reflections]

It's apparently not quite as simple as that:

During her scenes, none of the male performers she had sex with ever used a condom, she said. One female performer told her, "Don't even bring it up because they have somebody waiting to replace you."

"I learned that there's always someone younger and sexier, willing to do something you're not. It's a dog-eat-dog world," Bay said in an exclusive interview with The Huffington Post. "I think we need more choices because of that. Condoms should be a choice."

Then she should have let them replace her with a younger sexier girl that doesn't mind the possibility of catching HIV. Porn is still work and it isn't just easy money, the lifestyle weighs heavy on the performers as they age and part of that is deciding if you should gamble with your life or try to book a new shoot that will let you play safe. It is as simple as saying " Hey, stop and put on a condom or im out" she however choose to go along to get along and now she is paying the price.

[TSMichelleAustin]

Even if she got HIV on a set it would be very hard for her to give to her bf! So how did Rod get it??

[Rockit_]

Even if she got HIV on a set it would be very hard for her to give to her bf! So how did Rod get it??

Do you think he'll use a similar excuse and point a Kink?

[Rusty Eldora]

Still #teamcondoms.

~BB~

I agree, playing with #teamcondoms is the right choice, I'll pass on the barebackers.

[TSMichelleAustin]

Do you think he'll use a similar excuse and point a Kink?

Idk I think he got it and infected her. It's more common in gay porn for not test and bareback! So u never know. For her to infect him she would have been bleeding on his open sore! Or they sharing needles!

[Johnny.Blaze]

Is anyone going to answer what the obvious question should be? If she said the source came from a July 31st shoot for Kink, then who the F*ck is this person that she did the shoot with that had the cut on his weener? So far, the only names I've heard are her's and her BF's. Is she's saying that someone else is out there still? This shit is cray cray !!!
I honestly think his gay ass gave it to her, and she's just taking the fall so to say...

[TSMichelleAustin]

Is anyone going to answer what the obvious question should be? If she said the source came from a July 31st shoot for Kink, then who the F*ck is this person that she did the shoot with that had the cut on his weener? So far, the only names I've heard are her's and her BF's. Is she's saying that someone else is out there still? This shit is cray cray !!!
I honestly think his gay ass gave it to her, and she's just taking the fall so to say...

Kink says they investigated and no one was positive. So no clue what shes talking about. I think everyone was tested after her claims.

[Johnny.Blaze]

Kink says they investigated and no one was positive. So no clue what shes talking about. I think everyone was tested after her claims.

So she's basically full of shit, or she's just taking the fall for her bozo bf...
Maybe he even shared a needle with someone who he's juicing up with (Steroids) and that person had HIV and he passed it on. None the less, what is the main reason why condoms aren't used 100%? What, does it take away from the viewing experience or something? Or does it have to do with the "Money Shot"? Can't you just pull it off and cum wherever then? As long as the things aren't like red or black or weird colors then I never have issue with watching a scene with condom use.

[Johnny.Blaze]

Not to change the subject here but, just wanted to say real quick - WOW, makeup can really do wonders for a woman....

[ew86riv]

i feel awful for them that they contracted hiv, but my problem is especially with rod. the only person he has to blame if he didn't get it from someone or something else first is cameron, and it doesn't look like he's going that route. he wrote on his twitter that he never got it from gay porn, and this only became a problem when he didn't use a condom wherever the hell he did. he wrote that he trusted a test, and he should've used a condom. who should he have used the condom with? his girlfriend cameron who he should trust, or someone else. there's also another girl sofia delgado who apprently tested positive for hiv, and she's disappeared from the scene. rod said he had nothing to do with her, but she's a friend of cameron's from what i read. that's way too coincidental. she's not giving anybody any type of explanation. where did she get hiv? from the air. something happened between those three. i don't know what, but something did.

lastly, i think cameron has the wrong people in her ear. from everything i've read, the only people she's really talked to within the industry are people who have some kind of ax to grind with kink.com or evil angel and john stagliano even though there was absolutely some wrongdoing on their parts. people should simply be offering her and rod help. not trying to get her to comply with whatever story has been concocted. at the end of the day, if xander corvus, who worked with bay during that shoot, still tests negative cameron and rod are going to look bad.

[TSMichelleAustin]

i feel awful for them that they contracted hiv, but my problem is especially with rod. the only person he has to blame if he didn't get it from someone or something else first is cameron, and it doesn't look like he's going that route. he wrote on his twitter that he never got it from gay porn, and this only became a problem when he didn't use a condom wherever the hell he did. he wrote that he trusted a test, and he should've used a condom. who should he have used the condom with? his girlfriend cameron who he should trust, or someone else. there's also another girl sofia delgado who apprently tested positive for hiv, and she's disappeared from the scene. rod said he had nothing to do with her, but she's a friend of cameron's from what i read. that's way too coincidental. she's not giving anybody any type of explanation. where did she get hiv? from the air. something happened between those three. i don't know what, but something did.

lastly, i think cameron has the wrong people in her ear. from everything i've read, the only people she's really talked to within the industry are people who have some kind of ax to grind with kink.com or evil angel and john stagliano even though there was absolutely some wrongdoing on their parts. people should simply be offering her and rod help. not trying to get her to comply with whatever story has been concocted. at the end of the day, if xander corvus, who worked with bay during that shoot, still tests negative cameron and rod are going to look bad.

Honey its very hard for a female to give a male HIV... so either he had it first or they are sharing a needle or possibly a infected male partner off camera. VERY HARD for a male to get HIV from a female.

[ew86riv]

Idk I think he got it and infected her. It's more common in gay porn for not test and bareback! So u never know. For her to infect him she would have been bleeding on his open sore! Or they sharing needles!

rod daily wasn't in the scene with her. xander corvus was who she shot with, and he's tested negative a couple of times apparently.

[ew86riv]

Honey its very hard for a female to give a male HIV... so either he had it first or they are sharing a needle or possibly a infected male partner off camera. VERY HARD for a male to get HIV from a female.

i completely agree with you. i'm just annoyed that as opposed to talking for themselves they're doing press conferences with people who'll agree with their story as long as it follows their beliefs.

[zerrrr]

If you read Mika Tan's Twitter she had some info after the disclosure.

[Westheangelino]

The biggest bunch of bullshit since Magic Johnson

[dderek123]

one thing I hate is when people are told time and time again "safety first" and then choose to ignore that advice for whatever reason, only to later contract some illness and start preaching safety like the rest of the world wasn't saying "wrap it up". I don't wish disease on anyone but I don't want to hear shit from people that ignore safety precautions and then have to suffer because of their own stupidity.

I hear what you're saying, they were reckless. But, dying from AIDS is a horrible way to go out. It's still possible to feel sympathy for them.

[GroobySteven]

I hear what you're saying, they were reckless. But, dying from AIDS is a horrible way to go out. It's still possible to feel sympathy for them.

Practically nobody "dies" from AIDS now if they are found to be HIV+.
Would you rather it was diabetes?

I think there is still the stigma for AIDS which other ailments or viruses don't have.

[dderek123]

Practically nobody "dies" from AIDS now if they are found to be HIV+.
Would you rather it was diabetes?

I think there is still the stigma for AIDS which other ailments or viruses don't have.

When I was in Thailand I saw it once. It was horrible.

I'm not sure what you mean by diabetes. It's early and i haven't had my coffee yet.

[Prospero]

Seanchai is right. In the developed world the availability of antiretroviral drugs for people who are HIV positive has changed the whole profile of this - from a killer to a chronic infection which can be managed. There is some suggestion that it will shorten life expectancy as, in old age, certain diseases which a fully functioning immune system would eradicate might get a foothold.

This should not induce complacency! Use condoms.

In the third world though people are still dying of AIDS which, is of course, the condition that will usually develop if HIV is not addressed. nd way too many people in poor nations simply have no access to the medicines.

[Prospero]

Diabetes can kill too is Seanchai's point - and that too requires considerable medical intervention to ensure those with it sustain good health. Good diet, exercise and medication (and this for type two). Type one is worse.

[dderek123]

Diabetes can kill too is Seanchai's point - and that too requires considerable medical intervention to ensure those with it sustain good health. Good diet, exercise and medication (and this for type two). Type one is worse.

Well I would feel sympathetic towards someone who has diabetes too. Having AIDS or diabetes is generally not good right? Good comparison though (I've had my coffee). A good friend of mine was diagnosed and it hit him pretty hard. He was most upset by the likelihood of his lifespan shortening. Not sure which type he has though.

[dderek123]

This should not induce complacency! Use condoms.


And maintain a decent diet to avoid diabetes.

[Prospero]

And maintain a decent diet to avoid diabetes.

Yes for sure!

[dderek123]

Yes for sure!

I have more trouble with diet than the condoms haha.

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[Prospero]

Me too Derek.... and as a result i DO have type 2 diabetes. (Too much sugar, cakes, sweets, etc etc.... )

[dderek123]

Sorry to hear that man. I'm sure you're taking good care of yourself though. The friend that I mentioned earlier seemed to be reborn after his diagnosis. A year or so afterwards, he ended up turning into a fitness freak. I was amazed when he first mentioned how active his lifestyle was. These days he does a few triathlons ever year which is pretty amazing.

On the flipside, a cousin of mine was done in by Type 2. It was pretty frustrating since he had the means to live a healthy life but he was very depressed. Not too many people were aware of all the things bothering him. At the time, it seemed like he was stubbornly refusing to take care of himself properly. He was a really nice guy though.

My blood pressure and cholesterol are pretty messed up. It has been slowly improving though fortunately.

[Prospero]

Trouble is when you are in your twenties and thirties you think you're immortal. I spent a lot of time in the Middle east at luxury hotels a few years ago - and the Arabs love sweet things (and so do i) so cakes of the richest sort were on offer in unlimited helpings. jeez.

I play tennis regularly now and get plenty of other exercise (particularly of the sort that is discussed in here). But yes the diagnosis can knock you sideways.

[nysprod]

Practically nobody "dies" from AIDS now if they are found to be HIV+.
Would you rather it was diabetes?

I think there is still the stigma for AIDS which other ailments or viruses don't have.

Medications to treat HIV cost like $25,000/year...porn performers for the most part are not likely have health insurance and you can't buy any after you get diagnosed (a situation which may or may not change with upcoming mandated health care).

[dderek123]

Medications to treat HIV cost like $25,000/year...porn performers for the most part are not likely have health insurance and you can't buy any after you get diagnosed (a situation which may or may not change with upcoming mandated health care).

Holy sheeeeit that's expensive. No wonder people in developing countries don't have much of a chance of surviving for long. Suicide was common among AIDS patients over there from what I saw in the news and stories I heard from friends.

"The drug mix that an HIV patient must take can cost between $15,000 to $30,000 a year. The average price is about $20,000. Insurance will pay for this, if the patient has insurance. If not, the state covers the cost. The costs are higher for patients if the disease is in the advanced stages. The cost of the drugs were lower for gay men but higher for drug injecting users. The cost also increases with age."

http://www.examiner.com/article/how-much-does-treatment-for-hiv-aids-cost-per-patient-per-year

[nysprod]

Holy sheeeeit that's expensive. No wonder people in developing countries don't have much of a chance of surviving for long. Suicide was common among AIDS patients over there from what I saw in the news and stories I heard from friends.

"The drug mix that an HIV patient must take can cost between $15,000 to $30,000 a year. The average price is about $20,000. Insurance will pay for this, if the patient has insurance. If not, the state covers the cost.



The state does not simply "cover the cost"...you have to be on Medicaid and for a single childless adult without a disability to qualify for Medicaid in California (Med-Cal), you cannot earn more than 100% of the Federal Poverty Level, which currently is $11,490.

[dderek123]

The state does not simply "cover the cost"...you have to be on Medicaid and for a single childless adult without a disability to qualify for Medicaid in California (Med-Cal), you cannot earn more than 100% of the Federal Poverty Level, which currently is $11,490.

I was wondering about that. I'm a knucklehead from up North so I wouldn't know.

So that's the case for these two porn-stars in California. I imagine the coverage varies from state to state. Appreciate the info btw.

[trish]

I've equipped my body with an electronic chip. When I'm about to have sex it beeps loudly and annoyingly until everyone buckles their condoms.

[Prospero]

NYSPROD.. phew... had no idea that was the sort of cost in the US.
So you see the NS has it's advantages. All medication for this and other conditions, provided it is approved by NICE (the national Institute for clinical excellence) is free to all patients.

[nysprod]

NYSPROD.. phew... had no idea that was the sort of cost in the US.
So you see the NS has it's advantages. All medication for this and other conditions, provided it is approved by NICE (the national Institute for clinical excellence) is free to all patients.

Your access to healthcare is better, no doubt, but nothing is really "free"...you guys having substantially higher income tax rates, and taxes on things like petrol are also far higher. And isn't the VAT like 20%?

Bottom line is that one way or the other, healthcare is expensive.

[Prospero]

True.... so better NOT to get sick

[MrsKellyPierce]

She is lying...she got it in her personal life.

The industry has tested everyone she has performed with ALL CLEAN

She is using the industry for a scapegoat..

Her bf Rod was in the gay industry where they don't test and only use condoms

And even perform with performers who may be HIV and they aren't

She is also a druggy, felon and the list goes on.

AHF is paying her

And she has fabricated her on set experiences

[EvaCassini]

Here's how it is...

If I would have a "cut" on my peepee, I would not shoot. That would be really really painful to start, second of all it would be very DUMB of anyone to proceed with shooting that scene.

I agree with you Kelly, this story is way to outlandish, especially for someone like Bay, who has had a very ill past, as you mentioned. I didn't just hear it from you either, I actually researched it, so I know she isn't the most "reliable" trustee to say the least.

[MrsKellyPierce]

They can't shoot bleeding in sex work on camera either!

[scroller]

I've equipped my body with an electronic chip. When I'm about to have sex it beeps loudly and annoyingly until everyone buckles their condoms.

Hey, I specialize in pentests for that sort of thing.


But seriously: People should have some sympathy for folks in that situation, regardless of the cause.

[ew86riv]

She is lying...she got it in her personal life.

The industry has tested everyone she has performed with ALL CLEAN

She is using the industry for a scapegoat..

Her bf Rod was in the gay industry where they don't test and only use condoms

And even perform with performers who may be HIV and they aren't

She is also a druggy, felon and the list goes on.

AHF is paying her

And she has fabricated her on set experiences

when her and rod came out with their status i really thought they'd be straight forward and honest with people. instead the wrong people got a hold of them and they're putting all the blame on the industry.

[scroller]

Your access to healthcare is better, no doubt, but nothing is really "free"...you guys having substantially higher income tax rates, and taxes on things like petrol are also far higher. And isn't the VAT like 20%?


Cost spread socially, free to patient = patient gets care and lives.

Cost not spread socially, full expense to patient = often patient goes without care and dies.

So the word game that the two are equitable doesn't really hold up.

[zerrrr]

She is lying...she got it in her personal life.

The industry has tested everyone she has performed with ALL CLEAN

She is using the industry for a scapegoat..


Correct. The information I got was that all of her partners two generations out before and after the positive test came back negative. That means she did not get it 'in the industry.'

The virus had to have come from outside the industry and since her boyfriend tested positive you look his way.

[bluesoul]

someone needs to get shelley lubben in on this. it's like taylor made for her to milk

[Rusty Eldora]

To see how effective condoms and testing can be, look at the legal brothels in Nevada. Strict enforcement of condoms for Oral on the guys (no protection the other way interestingly) and for intercourse. They claim no cases of HIV and near zero for other STD's.

[TSLoverIB]

I agree

[Rusty Eldora]

The revelations around this have raised a number of questions, as I am not around the porn industry these may seem newbie but there really isn't any info when I Google.

1) Is testing required by the Industry? Is there a registry or does each producer want to see written test reports before filming?

2) Are there only certain labs or a specific test panel that needs to be done to show compliance.

3) Do the industry tests require the faster HIV test (2 weeks)? If so, and a report is good for a month that means exposures less than 6 weeks are possible.

4) Is the TS part of the industry follow the straight porn where testing is required and/or condoms, but the Gay porn producers not testing - that is crazy.

Before seeing my first TS I studied up about the STD risks. Being the receiver of Anal is the highest risk, with the giver in anal about 1/10 the risk, vaginal and oral activities were far safer. So these activities need better management for everyone's health, not less.

[MrsKellyPierce]

The revelations around this have raised a number of questions, as I am not around the porn industry these may seem newbie but there really isn't any info when I Google.

1) Is testing required by the Industry? Is there a registry or does each producer want to see written test reports before filming?

2) Are there only certain labs or a specific test panel that needs to be done to show compliance.

3) Do the industry tests require the faster HIV test (2 weeks)? If so, and a report is good for a month that means exposures less than 6 weeks are possible.

4) Is the TS part of the industry follow the straight porn where testing is required and/or condoms, but the Gay porn producers not testing - that is crazy.

Before seeing my first TS I studied up about the STD risks. Being the receiver of Anal is the highest risk, with the giver in anal about 1/10 the risk, vaginal and oral activities were far safer. So these activities need better management for everyone's health, not less.

1) Testing is required in the Straight/TS Niche and some gay companies. There is a registry for the directors.

2) We don't count by anti-bodies..and we have gone from every 28 days to every 14 days in the industry. Yes of course there is certain panels you have to be tested for before you can perform.

3) The ts niche all test and we typically use condoms unless a special scene. Then everybody is tested right before a scene is done.

[DeliaTS]

The revelations around this have raised a number of questions, as I am not around the porn industry these may seem newbie but there really isn't any info when I Google.

1) Is testing required by the Industry? Is there a registry or does each producer want to see written test reports before filming?

2) Are there only certain labs or a specific test panel that needs to be done to show compliance.

3) Do the industry tests require the faster HIV test (2 weeks)? If so, and a report is good for a month that means exposures less than 6 weeks are possible.

4) Is the TS part of the industry follow the straight porn where testing is required and/or condoms, but the Gay porn producers not testing - that is crazy.

Before seeing my first TS I studied up about the STD risks. Being the receiver of Anal is the highest risk, with the giver in anal about 1/10 the risk, vaginal and oral activities were far safer. So these activities need better management for everyone's health, not less.

For the scene that I just did with James we used talent testing service. The turnaround time was less then 48 hrs and it was fairly comprehensive:

https://www.talenttestingservice.com/tests.asp

The nice thing about being a small independent site is that I was able to meet with James a few days before we did the shoot to discuss our sexual histories, practices and any concerns we might have going into it. We emailed, text, and talked on the phone as well leading up to it. By the time we shot I felt safe and comfortable with James and the scene, which was really nice luxury and actually added to the whole chemistry of the scene.

[nysprod]

For the scene that I just did with James we used talent testing service. The turnaround time was less then 48 hrs and it was fairly comprehensive:

https://www.talenttestingservice.com/tests.asp

The nice thing about being a small independent site is that I was able to meet with James a few days before we did the shoot to discuss our sexual histories, practices and any concerns we might have going into it. We emailed, text, and talked on the phone as well leading up to it. By the time we shot I felt safe and comfortable with James and the scene, which was really nice luxury and actually added to the whole chemistry of the scene.

Thankfully, unlike this girl, you're first scene didn't involve getting gang-banged by 10 guys and winding up in the hospital with a kidney infection.

[DeliaTS]

Thankfully, unlike this girl, you're first scene didn't involve getting gang-banged by 10 guys and winding up in the hospital with a kidney infection.

Well the gang-banged by 10 guys part doesn't sound too bad . . .

[Rusty Eldora]

Thank you Delia and Kelly for the information.

My impression with the TS hobby scene is that it is more careful about safety and cleanliness than the straight community, which I really liked. That this extends into the porn part is good to know.

I was very surprised with some of the discussion about the gay porn industry not always testing.

[TSMichelleAustin]

Thank you Delia and Kelly for the information.

My impression with the TS hobby scene is that it is more careful about safety and cleanliness than the straight community, which I really liked. That this extends into the porn part is good to know.

I was very surprised with some of the discussion about the gay porn industry not always testing.

What is funny is str8 porn agents will not cast guys who have done ts porn but will gay! But in ts we do more condoms and testing! I even heard a few big female pornstars who love to work with ts because not allowed! It's a stigma but we are more safe then gay porn! Sad!

[christianxxx]

Thankfully, unlike this girl, you're first scene didn't involve getting gang-banged by 10 guys and winding up in the hospital with a kidney infection.

you are completely retarded if you think that was her first scene ever. Cameron Bay is a girl who first started doing scenes over 3 years ago. She has been hooking for longer than that. She has been arrested 17 times and has done over a year in jail in 2008. Let's not portray her as some poor little naive girl who didn't know what she was getting into.

second, no one else in that scene tested positive, nor are they going to test positive. She got it from Rod Daily or vice versa and they got it from one of 2 different ways - either they shared dirty needles from drug use or someone got anally creampied by an HIV positive male. That's it.

Rod Daily can bullshit all he wants and pretend he got it from her but lets face facts. His main source of income is gay escorting. And he was a hardcore substance abuser for a long time. If I were him, I would look in the mirror first.

The third girl, Sofia Delgado is a roommate/girlfriend of Cameron and frequent hooking & drug partner.

You guys can scream condoms all day long, but the fact remains that all of this HIV nonsense happened in their personal lives and when they tested just like everyone else, OUR TESTING SYSTEM CAUGHT THEM AND WEEDED THEM OUT WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. How much clearer can I be?

There is always going to be non-condom porn made no matter what. If California forces porn underground so be it, there will be people shooting non-condom porn somewhere in the world. If 19 of 20 producers start shooting condom scenes, then that 1 dude who shoots non-condom will make a fortune. That's just a fact.

People can point to straight companies who shoot all-condom like Wicked until they are blue in the face, but the facts are that Wicked has been struggling and were bailed out by Manwin. They are down to 4 contract girls now and don't shoot anywhere near what they did.

Simply put, there is no putting the lid back on the box, non-condom porn is going to be around forever in some way, shape, or form. Why? because it's more profitable than condoms. Period.

[christianxxx]

To see how effective condoms and testing can be, look at the legal brothels in Nevada. Strict enforcement of condoms for Oral on the guys (no protection the other way interestingly) and for intercourse. They claim no cases of HIV and near zero for other STD's.

Get the fuck out of here with that apples & oranges nonsense. Dennis Hof can claim anything he wants, who knows what is really the truth? And second, some John with a 5 inch limp dick half ass fucking vaginally some hooker for 5 minutes sure as hell isn't the same thing as Manuel railing some teen 18 year old for 35 minutes straight.

How do we know that they don't remove the condom if offered more money? Because Dennis Hof says so? Yeah THAT'S a trustworthy guy for sure lol. puhleez

[christianxxx]

Medications to treat HIV cost like $25,000/year...porn performers for the most part are not likely have health insurance and you can't buy any after you get diagnosed (a situation which may or may not change with upcoming mandated health care).

Just to be clear a 28 year old long time sex worker doesn't think its a good idea to spend 200-500 a month on health care? sounds like a real genius. I would take whatever she says as hand to god truth.

I don't get it, porn is terrible bc we shoot with monthly tests and no condoms, but because a longtime hooker with substance issues and a lengthy arrest/jail record fucks up in her personal life, dates a gay porn star who escorts & also has substance issues, AND she doesn't have health insurance....well clearly that's the porn industry's fault for not using condoms? seriously?

[GroobySteven]

Actually Christian - those are the three best posts/rebuttals I've seen from you on the whole non-condom in porn thing.
Good stuff.

[EvaCassini]

I concur. Very well said.

[VictoriaVeil]

What is funny is str8 porn agents will not cast guys who have done ts porn but will gay! But in ts we do more condoms and testing! I even heard a few big female pornstars who love to work with ts because not allowed! It's a stigma but we are more safe then gay porn! Sad!


I can confirm that. Agents have said this to Female Performers and had shoots canceled allegedly because it would hurt the Female performers
"image" to shoot with a TS...

C'mon son.

[Ben in LA]

Actually Christian - those are the three best posts/rebuttals I've seen from you on the whole non-condom in porn thing.
Good stuff.


I concur. Very well said.

I'll go ahead and third that. Besides, you would know better than the majority of the folks here.
:Bowdown:

[BigBlackMan]

I caught pink eye from a bitch when I was in 2nd grade.

[VictoriaVeil]

I caught pink eye from a bitch when I was in 2nd grade.

Then you shouldnt have put her shit stained underwear on your face.

Panty Sniffer.

:joke:

[christianxxx]

What is funny is str8 porn agents will not cast guys who have done ts porn but will gay! But in ts we do more condoms and testing! I even heard a few big female pornstars who love to work with ts because not allowed! It's a stigma but we are more safe then gay porn! Sad!

the porn industry is basically the 13th grade of high school. what you think would be an industry full of open-minded thinkers, is actually a cliquish group of knuckleheads.

the girls who are in porn could care less who they fuck. Let's be honest, they get into porn knowing that they are going to be fucking a bunch of random & strange dicks. they don't care who they fuck, just pay them 1000 bucks.

but the men in porn are different. these guys are in this business for the long haul, they aren't going anywhere. Most of them want to bang the girls, so to do that they try to be their "friend" by eliminating other "dangerous" male talent which thins the herd AND gets them closer to the girl only fucking them.

its an inherent trait in males to want the girl they like/love to only fuck them. This is where the bigotry, homophobia, ts/gay nonsense stems from in porn. Other males taking pot-shots at the "crossover" performers so they don't fuck the girls they love AND they might not work in the scenes they want which takes money out of their pockets.

Was that coherent enough? I make it very easy for other male performers, male agents, male producers, and suitcase pimps. I enjoy having sex with TS girls and I enjoy getting paid to do that as well. I am not hiding that fact. I will never hide that fact. And so I am a very easy target for girls/guys to fuck with my scenes/money.

[DeliaTS]

Actually Christian - those are the three best posts/rebuttals I've seen from you on the whole non-condom in porn thing.
Good stuff.


I concur. Very well said.


I'll go ahead and third that. Besides, you would know better than the majority of the folks here.
:Bowdown:

Concurring as well. Thanks for your insight.

[ew86riv]

Just to be clear a 28 year old long time sex worker doesn't think its a good idea to spend 200-500 a month on health care? sounds like a real genius. I would take whatever she says as hand to god truth.

I don't get it, porn is terrible bc we shoot with monthly tests and no condoms, but because a longtime hooker with substance issues and a lengthy arrest/jail record fucks up in her personal life, dates a gay porn star who escorts & also has substance issues, AND she doesn't have health insurance....well clearly that's the porn industry's fault for not using condoms? seriously?

don't forget to mention that rob black has been in her ear ever since she came out with her positive test result. black claims to want to save the industry and shit yet he's putting thoughts into some girl who's in denial over what happened. black and his friends also have a problem with crossover performers yet rod daily is all good because he's apparently agreeing with their beliefs.

[christianxxx]

Rob Black is just a modern day Jim Jones...lets just hope anyone who agreeds with him or joins his cult meets the same fate

[MrsKellyPierce]

It's about Money for both Rod and Cameron..

[Ben in LA]

Damn...Rob Black is still around? Didn't realize I was so out of the loop. I remember his videos from back in the day; they were pretty *ahem* extreme. "Forced Entry"? C'mon...

[********]

What about the guy in the huffington post article that said he had a false positive test result, but then kink told him to do the shoot anyways and seemed to either not know about the positive result or ignored the result? either way that is pretty negligent. i mean he did go back and find two more negitive results. but kink was going to go ahead and do the shoot with him getting a positive result?

And I get it. likely these two probably used kink as a scapegoat, but regardless, the porn companies are employing people who are escorting and may not be responsible in their personal lives. There is some responsibility on behalf of the companies to take precautions for the performers who are responsible, but are paired by the companies to have sex with people who aren't. A simple background check/criminal record may be a good start. Pornstars, especially new ones, have very little knowledge about their partners habits before a shoot other than test results, and it seems like both sides (company and performers) are very difficult to trust at times because there's so much money in the industry.

The tests are pretty good, and the transmission rates are low; even moreso when HIV is in the early onset stages which can be either missed by tests, or if someone contracts the virus within the two weeks before a shoot. But still, it is a terrible misfortune, and can ruin the life of not only pornstars who are responsible in their personal lives, but their boyfriend/girlfriend as well, who may not be involved with porn whatsoever.