How "aspirational" should porn be?

[suttonporksword]

Now generally speaking most girls (both TG and GG) who do porn are of the very attractive model type, highly preened and made up. There is also the more amatuer style porn which generally features the sort of girl you can bump into in the supermarket.

So my question is (and it doesnt even have a single answer so i dont expect any thank yous for posting this) do you prefer porn which presents the first type of girl, the model looks, the type you can dream about fucking, or do you prefer something more like the kind of girl you could actually end up fucking? Personally i am much more the latter, partly because the sex portraid in these types of scenes dont feel as scripted as some of the mainline porn. Just my view of course!

[LilyRox]

I think this borders of the lines of maintenance/surgery vs. more natural looks. Over surgery can be very bad. Depends a lot on the amateur's too. That can vary a lot in looks. I think there's more realism and erotic feeling to seeing a HIGHLY attractive "amateur" (if that's what you want to call it. Personally anyone highly attractive isn't an amateur in my book regardless of porn history) on webcam vs a high def photo shoot glammed up girl. It also depends on what you're born with. Some people are just born with good proportions. Some people look fine without makeup and some people NEED it. Makeup can only do so much.

[EvaCassini]

"Amateur" and "Pro" aren't "rankings" for girls. They are the "style" in which a porn is shot.

Amateur porn is shot with cheapo cams and phones and such. Bad to "ok" lighting and it has the whole "DIY" feel to it. Also the "graininess" feel as well.

Pro porn is shot with decent to high end cameras and the lighting is such to where there is no starkness and off-putting fallen shadows. The subject ( model ) will be shown in the most perfect of lighting that she looks her best.

Either amateur or pro can be done with great, high end cameras and perfect lighting. It's only a style.

[LilyRox]

I get confused sometimes because some people refer to all cam girls as amateur's when there are many professional girls out there with high def cameras, good lighting, and maintenance. I guess the confusing thing about this question is the level of amateur. They vary so much and it's kind of an opinion on what's amateur and what's not. Maybe the question should be girls in professional porn vs solo webcam girls.

[bluesoul]

Now generally speaking most girls (both TG and GG) who do porn are of the very attractive model type, highly preened and made up. There is also the more amatuer style porn which generally features the sort of girl you can bump into in the supermarket.

So my question is (and it doesnt even have a single answer so i dont expect any thank yous for posting this) do you prefer porn which presents the first type of girl, the model looks, the type you can dream about fucking, or do you prefer something more like the kind of girl you could actually end up fucking? Personally i am much more the latter, partly because the sex portraid in these types of scenes dont feel as scripted as some of the mainline porn. Just my view of course!

ummm the "model type" girls you mention in your first sentence are actually amateur girls who've had a semi-professional makeup job. technically, a production company will actually spend a decent amount of money on makeup/styling, lights and camera so their models look better and thus, make their product better. amateur porn doesn't spend as big a budget (if any) and this is the discrepancy you see in models.

as far as which porn i prefer: it depends on my mood :kiss:

[EvaCassini]

To give a little more enlightening...

Lily, your shoot with Shemaleyum was "Pro" style. Taken by a "professional" photographer.

Your "Preview" DIY clips are "amateur" style. Because of the way it's shot.

In reference to the OP about his question, I'll break it down and explain.

"Now generally speaking most girls (both TG and GG) who do porn are of the very attractive model type, highly preened and made up. There is also the more amatuer style porn which generally features the sort of girl you can bump into in the supermarket. ( Look has nothing to do with the "style it is shot in. I have done many "Pro" styled shoots for many production companies, but I am still "labeled" as "the girl next door" type of look. )

So my question is (and it doesnt even have a single answer so i dont expect any thank yous for posting this) do you prefer porn which presents the first type of girl, the model looks, the type you can dream about fucking, or do you prefer something more like the kind of girl you could actually end up fucking? Personally i am much more the latter, partly because the sex portraid in these types of scenes dont feel as scripted as some of the mainline porn. Just my view of course!" ( Doesn't matter how "made up" the girl is or how many surgeries she's had, guys are going to "dream" about fucking her AND be able to fuck her IRL, because most of us escort, AND I am pretty sure that "said girl" goes grocery shopping or gets petrol in her car at the same 7/11 you go to.

As for scripting in either amateur or pro porn style, there's still some planning involved, regardless of which style said porn is shot in. In "pro" styling, there is more involved with planning and "amateur" style is basically "I got an idea, lets fuck on cam, and la di da di da, blah, blah, this position, that position, but just get into it and forget the camera is there. Lets just have our normal sexuals, but lets film it." <---- That's it, that's amateur.

In Pro, you'll notice the model's view is mostly on the camera right? Because said model is "Looking at you". Bringing you into the fantasy )



Sry for the length lol :) But that's pretty much a nut-shelled explanation.

[LilyRox]

Lily, your shoot with Shemaleyum was "Pro" style. Taken by a "professional" photographer.

Your "Preview" DIY clips are "amateur" style. Because of the way it's shot.


I know. I was talking about professional webcam girls. My lighting sucks.

[EvaCassini]

There are no "professional web cam girls". I don't do it much anymore but I used to cam ALL DAY, EVERY DAY...that's how I got my boobjob.

Either way you look at "camming", it's style, regardless of the girl, is amateur styling. I cam, Jamie cams, Kelly Shore cams, Wendy Williams cams, and many many others. Because the cam being used is a webcam, and the lighting is more or less house lamps is why any "cam girl's" video will look "amateur".

Now there are girls, like myself, who, when we cam, have "Pro" style lighting and our cam and computer are just so, that the quality is much much higher then some cam girl camming from PI, Singapore, Brazil, or even Antarctica.

[LilyRox]

There are no "professional web cam girls". I don't do it much anymore but I used to cam ALL DAY, EVERY DAY...that's how I got my boobjob.

Either way you look at "camming", it's style, regardless of the girl, is amateur styling. I cam, Jamie cams, Kelly Shore cams, Wendy Williams cams, and many many others. Because the cam being used is a webcam, and the lighting is more or less house lamps is why any "cam girl's" video will look "amateur".

Now there are girls, like myself, who, when we cam, have "Pro" style lighting and our cam and computer are just so, that the quality is much much higher then some cam girl camming from PI, Singapore, Brazil, or even Antarctica.

Yeah that's what I meant. I don't get how a HD webcam, with "pro" lighting, "pro" makeup and being seductive into the camera is considered amateur.

I mean there's girls that make thousands doing that.

[EvaCassini]

reason why camming is "amateur" is because there is no "professional" photographer, and technically it's not really porn, more like "interactive fun time with a girl who wants money."

[LilyRox]

Ah well I personally think they aren't. In my opinion they are the "professional" photographer. The girls that bring in the huge bucks camming on their own are truly multitasking geniuses. Some of them I can't believe how fast they are at set up angles, changing lighting and zoom in on the spot and still keep the audience entertained. This is like the 1% though.

[christianxxx]

if you really want to make money...find hot girls who haven't done anything ever before (amateurs) who don't have a stage name (amy, cathy, monique, tamara, etc) and shoot them with pro make-up, with high quality lighting and sets getting fucked. THAT has and always will make money in porn.

There is company in Arizona called Lightspeed, ATK, FTV, etc - they specialize in this type of porn...and now the big porn companies have tried to emulate it with brand new teen porn chicks - passion-hd, babes, twisty's, etc etc

what's funny is many of those FTV girls eventually find their way to mainstream porn and get stage names - if you look on Freeones you will see a ton of girls with two stage names, and FTV one and their current one -

Example - current superstar Ava Addams used to be FTV Luna lol - FREEONES BOARD (http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?240656-Ava-Addams-FTV-Luna)

[LilyRox]

Hmm interesting Christian. That's funny how they have 2 stage names. Thanks for the advice

[EvaCassini]

Ah well I personally think they aren't. In my opinion they are the "professional" photographer. The girls that bring in the huge bucks camming on their own are truly multitasking geniuses. Some of them I can't believe how fast they are at set up angles, changing lighting and zoom in on the spot and still keep the audience entertained. This is like the 1% though.

What cam girls are you watching? I have cammed a lot and never seen "Professional cam girls".

Reason why I say that, is because I can easily say, "One sec guys, gotta change the light placement. Hold on, got to change the angle of the cam"....or... just do it, which takes about 1 second to do. It's not rocket science.

Simply move cam to what they paid to see. Simply move lights around quick to get a better throw. Either use the "zoom button" or simply move the cam itself to zoom. All that literally takes is 1 second, 1.5 seconds max.

And...then, after that "1 sec", I carry on like normal. There is really nothing to it. No photography skills needed, just people skills and basic knowledge of how to use a computer and webcam, and basic motor skills to use your arm to move the cam or lights.

Do that like 2-4 times and then you wont need to move anything. You should be able to have everything set up just right, so that one wouldn't have to tinker around with anything.

[LilyRox]

What cam girls are you watching? I have cammed a lot and never seen "Professional cam girls".

Reason why I say that, is because I can easily say, "One sec guys, gotta change the light placement. Hold on, got to change the angle of the cam"....or... just do it, which takes about 1 second to do. It's not rocket science.

Simply move cam to what they paid to see. Simply move lights around quick to get a better throw. Either use the "zoom button" or simply move the cam itself to zoom. All that literally takes is 1 second, 1.5 seconds max.

And...then, after that "1 sec", I carry on like normal. There is really nothing to it. No photography skills needed, just people skills and basic knowledge of how to use a computer and webcam, and basic motor skills to use your arm to move the cam or lights.

Do that like 2-4 times and then you wont need to move anything. You should be able to have everything set up just right, so that one wouldn't have to tinker around with anything.

Just random cam girls all the time to pick up tips, positions, lighting, scenery, etc. I seen some pretty amazing girls before. I saw this one girl that literally had 3 HD webcams set up around her room and could switch between each one by pressing a button on her wireless keyboard. I was like holy shit how am I going to beat that.

[LilyRox]

I can't tell you how many cam girls have a picture of Marilyn Monroe on their wall behind them when they cam. I see it so much it makes me want to gag.

[EvaCassini]

That takes no skill at all.

Just read the handbook or google info about doing that. All 3 of my webcams are HD, doesn't mean anything except that I paid an extra 100 bucks for them. I'll be camming tomorrow, you should come by and watch me and how I do things. No shit, I marathon cammed last DEC. ALL DAY, EVERYDAY, got 6000...Jan 9th I got my Boob job.

Not that hard, the only thing that is hard to do is maintain a chipper attitude, because there are LOTS of douches, pricks, and disrespectful people who will come on your cam channel and bitch, call you names, want everything for free, beg, consistently repeat demands, and never tip or go private.

Nowadays, before I get on cam, I take 2-3 shots of bourbon, to keep me to where I can tolerate being on for hours. :p

[EvaCassini]

I can't tell you how many cam girls have a picture of Marilyn Monroe on their wall behind them when they cam. I see it so much it makes me want to gag.

I don't care for Marilyn Monroe.

I like Audry Hepburn. Not only was she a great and beautiful actress, but she was a great humanitarian up until she died and VERY classy...AND ( not many know this ) but she used to be a spy in WW2 for the US. Spying on the Germans.

[LilyRox]

That takes no skill at all.

Just read the handbook or google info about doing that. All 3 of my webcams are HD, doesn't mean anything except that I paid an extra 100 bucks for them. I'll be camming tomorrow, you should come by and watch me and how I do things. No shit, I marathon cammed last DEC. ALL DAY, EVERYDAY, got 6000...Jan 9th I got my Boob job.

Not that hard, the only thing that is hard to do is maintain a chipper attitude, because there are LOTS of douches, pricks, and disrespectful people who will come on your cam channel and bitch, call you names, want everything for free, beg, consistently repeat demands, and never tip or go private.

Nowadays, before I get on cam, I take 2-3 shots of bourbon, to keep me to where I can tolerate being on for hours. :p

Ok lol. I'll come watch when your on. What's the site and stuff? I just don't do so well camming because I don't have "pro" lighting and I have a badddd internet connection. Really my internet connection is the main thing holding me back. I need to get fios

[nysprod]

Lol...I was wondering if Eva saw Lily's vids...

[EvaCassini]

link is in my signature but i'll type it

cam4.com/evacassini

you don't need "pro" lighting, but you will need that better internet connection.

[EvaCassini]

Lol...I was wondering if Eva saw Lily's vids...

yes i did.

[nysprod]

yes i did.

Yes, obviously...did you comment on them?

[LilyRox]

link is in my signature but i'll type it

cam4.com/evacassini

you don't need "pro" lighting, but you will need that better internet connection.

Ah yeah ok. I've used cam4 before

[EvaCassini]

@nysprod nope

[nysprod]

@nysprod nope

Ok...what did you think of them?

[EvaCassini]

they are like a typical jerk off vid...ive seen many and done many. It is nothing new to me.

If you are trying to get a "positive comment" out of me sir, I will say this...

She performs "jacking off" well (could have guessed that, seeing as though she got a Shemaleyum shoot lol ), and her voice is cute.

[LilyRox]

She performs "jacking off" well (could have guessed that, seeing as though she got a Shemaleyum shoot lol ), and her voice is cute.


I got offered that Shemale Yum shoot before I made that video ;)

[EvaCassini]

I know, considering the timeline of how things went.

Being born with a penis myself, I understand that jacking off isnt hard to do lol. :p

Reason you got the yum shoot is because you are cute and pretty and have good potential.

[nysprod]

they are like a typical jerk off vid...ive seen many and done many. It is nothing new to me.

If you are trying to get a "positive comment" out of me sir, I will say this...

She performs "jacking off" well (could have guessed that, seeing as though she got a Shemaleyum shoot lol ), and her voice is cute.

Not trying for a positive comment, just what you thought...the thread with the video really took off though...and I didn't see the first vid as a typical jerk off vid thing..nothing typical about it.

[Wendy Summers]

Now generally speaking most girls (both TG and GG) who do porn are of the very attractive model type, highly preened and made up. There is also the more amatuer style porn which generally features the sort of girl you can bump into in the supermarket.

So my question is (and it doesnt even have a single answer so i dont expect any thank yous for posting this) do you prefer porn which presents the first type of girl, the model looks, the type you can dream about fucking, or do you prefer something more like the kind of girl you could actually end up fucking? Personally i am much more the latter, partly because the sex portraid in these types of scenes dont feel as scripted as some of the mainline porn. Just my view of course!

I think the reason others are digressing is the terms you chose. I think the discussion you are trying to have is: glamour style porn versus girl next door porn?

If that's the case, I far prefer the girl-next-door look. The Glam porn is too sterile for my own tastes and aesthetics.

[LilyRox]

I know, considering the timeline of how things went.

Being born with a penis myself, I understand that jacking off isnt hard to do lol. :p

Reason you got the yum shoot is because you are cute and pretty and have good potential.

Thanks a lot :)


Not trying for a positive comment, just what you thought...the thread with the video really took off though...and I didn't see the first vid as a typical jerk off vid thing..nothing typical about it.

Yeah. I think it's been a week ago? I'm like wtf it feels like a month

[EvaCassini]

I know, I saw. lol

Lily - If we ever meet, we should def shoot together. Do you travel much?

Next time I'll be in LA for any extended period of time will be in Feb for the Tranny Awards.
Only time I know of before that, is going to be a few days being flown out to do a TSPlayground shoot with Jamie, Sienna and a couple others.

But if you are able to travel, I'm in Dallas, and we have our own studio here, Jamie is a Grooby photographer so she's very good at what she does, also, she edits for them too, so whatever we shoot you will get copies of it all before you leave. :)

[LilyRox]

I know, I saw. lol

Lily - If we ever meet, we should def shoot together. Do you travel much?

Next time I'll be in LA for any extended period of time will be in Feb for the Tranny Awards.
Only time I know of before that, is going to be a few days being flown out to do a TSPlayground shoot with Jamie, Sienna and a couple others.

But if you are able to travel, I'm in Dallas, and we have our own studio here, Jamie is a Grooby photographer so she's very good at what she does, also, she edits for them too, so whatever we shoot you will get copies of it all before you leave. :)

Yeah. I'm planning on starting to move around to do shoots. To be honest I've never been on a plane in my entire life lol. I normally only travel by car everywhere I go so I'm a bit nervous.

[nysprod]

Thanks a lot :)



Yeah. I think it's been a week ago? I'm like wtf it feels like a month

Something happened with your shoot as a direct result of the vid though...

[EvaCassini]

I think the reason others are digressing is the terms you chose. I think the discussion you are trying to have is: glamour style porn versus girl next door porn?

If that's the case, I far prefer the girl-next-door look. The Glam porn is too sterile for my own tastes and aesthetics.

In your context, yes, I agree.

I prefer the girl next door look too because said girl has that "potential" to be "local" and easily accessible.

[EvaCassini]

Yeah. I'm planning on starting to move around to do shoots. To be honest I've never been on a plane in my entire life lol. I normally only travel by car everywhere I go so I'm a bit nervous.

I've been on Planes, Trains, and Automobiles, the lot, but I do prefer driving, it's more adventurous. Every time we go out to LA, we drive. Only time I fly is for Kink.com shoots, and apparently Devils.

[LilyRox]

I've been on Planes, Trains, and Automobiles, the lot, but I do prefer driving, it's more adventurous. Every time we go out to LA, we drive. Only time I fly is for Kink.com shoots, and apparently Devils.

Yes. I heard that Kink pays for flights right? That's pretty awesome. I could just drive down there I guess. I never really thought about it. xD. I got a nice car, but I still hope I don't have a break down because I don't know shit about cars lol.

[EvaCassini]

Yes. I heard that Kink pays for flights right? That's pretty awesome. I could just drive down there I guess. I never really thought about it. xD. I got a nice car, but I still hope I don't have a break down because I don't know shit about cars lol.


Yes, they do. You should come down! :)

Just remember to keep gas in it and dont wreck, you should be fine lol. Car are surprisingly quite resilient. Especially in the case of my old 96 Cavvy I had. I drove the fuck out of it even though it was fucked up, but it still got me from PA to TX. I put thousands of miles on it.

[LilyRox]

Yes, they do. You should come down! :)

Just remember to keep gas in it and dont wreck, you should be fine lol. Car are surprisingly quite resilient. Especially in the case of my old 96 Cavvy I had. I drove the fuck out of it even though it was fucked up, but it still got me from PA to TX. I put thousands of miles on it.

Yeah lol. I need to find a place to get down there by Cali to Texas anyways because I hate living up here x.x

[EvaCassini]

Cost of living is CHEAP here in TX.

In Cali...arm and a leg!

[LilyRox]

Cost of living is CHEAP here in TX.

In Cali...arm and a leg!

Yeah xD. That's what I figured. It would be amazing to live there, but TX is more realistic.

[EvaCassini]

true...i would love to live in Santa Barbara...but thats years and millions of dollars from now lol

[LilyRox]

true...i would love to live in Santa Barbara...but thats years and millions of dollars from now lol

Well I'll probably do a couple more things and then maybe find a place down in TX and come for a visit :)

[EvaCassini]

We will shoot ALL the porns! :)

[LilyRox]

We will shoot ALL the porns! :)

Haha yes we will ;)

[christianxxx]

I think the reason others are digressing is the terms you chose. I think the discussion you are trying to have is: glamour style porn versus girl next door porn?

If that's the case, I far prefer the girl-next-door look. The Glam porn is too sterile for my own tastes and aesthetics.

I think doing something different from the norm works for solo girls personally. if all of your shoots are you doing your own makeup and shooting with the same lighting system in the same style, then a single scene with pro heavy porn hair and makeup, blow out lighting or all white background, in something you normally would never wear would make a huge impression on your fans. just a 1 off, but still effective. maybe that's digressing, but i still think you would look amazing in that scenario....at least once. lol

[Ben in LA]

I think doing something different from the norm works for solo girls personally. if all of your shoots are you doing your own makeup and shooting with the same lighting system in the same style, then a single scene with pro heavy porn hair and makeup, blow out lighting or all white background, in something you normally would never wear would make a huge impression on your fans. just a 1 off, but still effective. maybe that's digressing, but i still think you would look amazing in that scenario....at least once. lol

I agree. I'd LOVE to see you (Wendy) in a glamour shoot!

But keep your glasses on. ;)

[Wendy Summers]

I think doing something different from the norm works for solo girls personally. if all of your shoots are you doing your own makeup and shooting with the same lighting system in the same style, then a single scene with pro heavy porn hair and makeup, blow out lighting or all white background, in something you normally would never wear would make a huge impression on your fans. just a 1 off, but still effective. maybe that's digressing, but i still think you would look amazing in that scenario....at least once. lol

I'm sure at some point I'll tackle a set like that.

[dderek123]

Someone should make a pornified version of the typical hollywood coming of age story. I made a pun.

[Wendy Summers]

Someone should make a pornified version of the typical hollywood coming of age story. I made a pun.

Didn't Buddy make a Hazel Tucker DVD like that?

[christianxxx]

I'm sure at some point I'll tackle a set like that.

but whatever you do, don't do it in LA where all the pro photographers and easy access to MUAs and sets are when you are there for a week. lol

[Wendy Summers]

but whatever you do, don't do it in LA where all the pro photographers and easy access to MUAs and sets are when you are there for a week. lol

I wonder where I could find male talent to do such a scene... :banana::banana::banana:

[VictoriaVeil]

but whatever you do, don't do it in LA where all the pro photographers and easy access to MUAs and sets are when you are there for a week. lol


Good tip!

[dderek123]

Didn't Buddy make a Hazel Tucker DVD like that?

Come to think of it they did. Cheers :cheers:

[fivekatz]

Looking at OP I would say that porn should not be locked into any conventions. We can argue as we like about the finish product's content appeal to us and why.

But porn is part business, part speech, part artistic expression and as such there are no boundaries IMHO. The number of viewers will dictate how broad and audience it will appeal to.

[Buddy Wood]

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[nysprod]

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