Guys: Are you part of the transgendered community?

[NYCe]

Do you consider yourself a member of the transgendered community?
Yes, No, Sometimes?
Simple question, not so simple answer.

[thmack]

no

[OutlawKind]

Yes, sometimes.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I could jump on the bandwagon and say "Yes, I am" but I'd be lying.......

fact of the matter is there's only a handful of TS' I'd be seen with on the street let alone in my car (day or night)

[wbilly]

Very much yes - but not the sex industry part (not that there's anything wrong with that).

[BeardedOne]

I'm a bit of a hermit, so the concept of 'community' is a bit foreign to me. If I were more gregarious I suppose I could be, so put me in the 'maybe' column.

[Ecstatic]

Yes, unless it's a requirement to be transgendered in order to belong to the community. I have several TS friends, am webmaster of a TS site, participate in multiple forums, etc. And while I am married to a GG, I am very happy and even proud to be seen in public with any of my tg friends.

[south ov da border]

I'd like to be, but haven't been in L.A. long enough to have enough money and time. I'd love for somebody to show me around...

[deebo]

yes and no

[Friedrich_Nietzsche]

I am a fan, a supporter and admirer of certain members of that community.

I also support taxi drivers coz they do a fucken job.

I also like activists and greenpeace members

Am i a part of all these communities?

[BlackAdder]

I would have to say no right now, but thats not by choice but more a matter of where i live and not really being able to get into philadelphia,......Plus the TS community here is messed up.

[skweetis]

no, not YET.

c'mon girls...

[tsluva]

no, not really.

i'm just a frequent visitor (tranny chaser ?) who loves the sex part.

[scorpion]

Yes I guess I am. I have a ts girlfriend
"I hope she still are"

[chefmike]

Do you consider yourself a member of the transgendered community?
Yes, No, Sometimes?
Simple question, not so simple answer.

Is it a gated community? I certainly hope so, as I prefer not to mingle with the working class riff-raff... :roll:

[peggygee]

Do you consider yourself a member of the transgendered community?
Yes, No, Sometimes?
Simple question, not so simple answer.


Truly a sad commentary.

She's good enough to fuck, but not good enough to have you support her rights.

I realize that it is just a random sample of those who have 'relations' with transwomen, but I believe that it speaks volumes about the men who seek us out.

And then you wonder why we don't or won't have relationships with you, why we are so stand-offish.

To those of you that of you that stand by your women, and that don't treat her like your 'dirty little secret', I commend you.

To the rest of you, shame, shame, shame, on you, and believe me I would like to say a lot worse :censor :evil: :censor

[Quinn]

Speaking for myself, no, I do not consider myself part of the TS community. Then again, I don’t really regard myself as being part of any particular community or movement.

-Quinn

[RangeHova]

Me, I'd say yes just because of the fact that I spend time with t friends that goes way beyond dating and sex. I have had a few close relationships that has gained me friends, acquaintences, and more that run the gembit of members of the community.

[slinky]

I used to be, but not anymore (but may be again now that we started a Tranny paysite).

[dgtlmstry]

A part of it, no, support it...sure. Sorry you are so upset about the answers peggygee, but at least we are being honest :)

Oh, and we aren't all looking for relationships.

Dgtl

[yodajazz]

I for one, feel that I am part of the Transgendered community. This is because I know I love them. But at the same time, I a member of other communities, such and minorities, and even the religious community. I am not politically active, but sometimes support bussiness which are T friendly. If there was less discrimination and more opportunites, maybe I would have hooked in a LTR years ago.

[suckseed]

Um....is there a TG community? Aren't the majority just doing their thing in society? Are you talking about the parties? If that's the case, then the question would more properly be, "Are you part of the TS scene?" Or do you mean 'do you actively support GLBT rights?'
I find it interesting, from what I read here, that TG people who go to TS bars, presumably to be part of the scene, would complain about guys liking them for being what they are (and hopefully who they are), ie, chasers. On the one hand, I understand not being turned on by a guy whose attitude is "You've got a dick? Great - what's your number?". But, c'mon. When guys approach a gg, they're interested in her vagina - hopefully other things as well, but, that's a huge part of it. This has been debated over and over, but
as a fairly enlightened guy who's capable of engaging in everything from casual sex to a marriage proposal, I'm always a little surprised that TS women aren't a little more in possession of insider information as to how guys think. I mean, weren't you ever guys?

[suckseed]

I for one, feel that I am part of the Transgendered community. This is because I know I love them.
You can't generalize. TS, like men, women, children, cats, dogs, come in all types - some loveable, some a pain in the ass. To say otherwise really means you like wanking to their pictures. Which, I've heard, is fun.

[peggygee]

A part of it, no, support it...sure. Sorry you are so upset about the answers peggygee, but at least we are being honest :)

Oh, and we aren't all looking for relationships.

Dgtl


Wie es geht, Dgtl


I dont neccesarily mean that everyone should be out marching, picketing and or wearing a button, that says. "I heart my tranny girlfriend" :)

But, rather what gets me upset is the men, who will only use us for sexual gratification, engage in only 'discrete' relationships, and again, without being redundant, treat us as a 'dirty little secret'. :cry:

And, I truly do value the honesty, as opposed to shallow, vapid statements.

To say that if one is not part of the solution, then one is part of the problem, sounds too much like 1960s, socialist rhetoric, but if our rights are trampled on today, could your rights be in jeopardy, tommorow, perhaps a moot point, perhaps not.

Und liebchen, I am fully aware, that not all men that date transwomen, are seeking relationships. However,though we live in a disposable society, with so much being relegated to a trash heap, including people, I for one can not, nor will not, see the rights of transwomen trampled upon. :soapbox

[peggygee]

Um.... I'm always a little surprised that TS women aren't a little more in possession of insider information as to how guys think. I mean, weren't you ever guys?

Initially, "suckseed", I was going to say that back when dinosaurs, walked the Earth. Back when Wilma Flintstone and Betty Rubble were on the 'stroll', in those short skirts of theirs, 'I was a guy'. :)

But, that would be less than accurate, for though I walked like a duck, and quacked like a duck, I was never truly a duck, I was more like a swan, in stealth mode. 8)

As has been discussed, genitalia , does not in and of itself make a person a member of that gender. We covered that in Gender 101 (see me after class, if you need the handouts, on that) :?

Whether transwomen, are wired like GGs or become so, is anybody's guess, the research is still out on that one.

Some of us, understand the male psyche better than others, but to generalize that transwomen should understand men better, because of an anatomical anamoly, may be an oversimplification. :?

[Quinn]

To say that if one is not part of the solution, then one is part of the problem, sounds too much like 1960s, socialist rhetoric, but if our rights are trampled on today, could your rights be in jeopardy, tommorow, perhaps a moot point, perhaps not.


Perhaps.

Pastor Martin Niemoller:

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

-Quinn

[peggygee]

To say that if one is not part of the solution, then one is part of the problem, sounds too much like 1960s, socialist rhetoric, but if our rights are trampled on today, could your rights be in jeopardy, tommorow, perhaps a moot point, perhaps not.


Perhaps.

Pastor Martin Niemoller:

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

-Quinn


Thanks Quinn,

That's exactly what I was parapharasing:

When they came for the communists, I did nothing, for I was not a communist, when they came for the socialist, I did nothing, for I was not...., when they came for the Catholic........, when they came for the Jew, I did nothing for I was not a Jew, and then they came for me, and no one stood up for me as there was no one left to protest anymore......

[suckseed]

Point taken, peggy. And FWIW I'm all for treating everybody with respect. And, I get it that TS women were wired differently from birth. But....surely you've got a greater ability to understand men's biological impulses. If I'm wrong, then it's good this came up. I'm not suggesting TS women are boys with breasts. Or chicks with dicks either, though you might tell me that's a lot more accurate. I've come to think of Ts's as in possession of both gender's traits, which differ in terms of how much of either on an individual basis. Fair enough?

[peggygee]

Point taken, peggy. And FWIW I'm all for treating everybody with respect. And, I get it that TS women were wired differently from birth. But....surely you've got a greater ability to understand men's biological impulses. If I'm wrong, then it's good this came up. I'm not suggesting TS women are boys with breasts. Or chicks with dicks either, though you might tell me that's a lot more accurate. I've come to think of Ts's as in possession of both gender's traits, which differ in terms of how much of either on an individual basis. Fair enough?

Yes, I can fully concur with your point there. I believe I may have gotten caught up in the semantics, blaming it on a blonde moment :oops:

Always good to have the discourse though 8)

[francisfkudrow]

A supporter of the community? Yes. A part of it; alas no. I live in a homophobic little burg with no tg community that I am aware of. If I lived in a more cosmopolitan city, I'm sure I'd be part of it.

[francisfkudrow]

...

[tranzorz]

A part of it, no, support it...sure. Sorry you are so upset about the answers peggygee, but at least we are being honest :)

Oh, and we aren't all looking for relationships.

Dgtl


Wie es geht, Dgtl


I dont neccesarily mean that everyone should be out marching, picketing and or wearing a button, that says. "I heart my tranny girlfriend" :)

But, rather what gets me upset is the men, who will only use us for sexual gratification, engage in only 'discrete' relationships, and again, without being redundant, treat us as a 'dirty little secret'. :cry:

And, I truly do value the honesty, as opposed to shallow, vapid statements.

To say that if one is not part of the solution, then one is part of the problem, sounds too much like 1960s, socialist rhetoric, but if our rights are trampled on today, could your rights be in jeopardy, tommorow, perhaps a moot point, perhaps not.

Und liebchen, I am fully aware, that not all men that date transwomen, are seeking relationships. However,though we live in a disposable society, with so much being relegated to a trash heap, including people, I for one can not, nor will not, see the rights of transwomen trampled upon. :soapbox

We live in a pretty messed up society in general - so wealthy across the board compared to the rest of the world and so unappreciative of it and at the same time repeatedly pressing its own self-destruct button - but I digress.

As far as a TG/TS community, as I've mentioned in another thread, I meet them in sexually charged situations where they're "working." This isn't what I'm looking for and I'd be happy to know a few non-sexually, but that's just not how things seem to work out. And in this day and age, I'm not inclined to support their "work" with my patronage as I hope to live to a ripe old age. So I just appreciate the show and go home. I can march in a pride parade now and then, but that's about all I think I can do.

So I'm mostly just a hermit as the other guy mentioned. Someday, maybe, society relaxes a lot, but probably not anytime soon.

[Kurdy M]

Do you consider yourself a member of the transgendered community?
Yes, No, Sometimes?
Simple question, not so simple answer.

Partly, i live close to the RLD so occasionally i go to bars like Lellebel and in the past the Mekong Bar.
One of my best friends is a stunning looking Spanish T-girl. We hang out together sometimes.
But i am not a member of the transgendered community.

[Alchemist]

In all honesty. No.

[Vala_TS]

I wish I was, but where I'm at, there aren't very many trannies so the answer is no but wishing it was a yes.

AGTFB

[Caleigh]

"As far as a TG/TS community, as I've mentioned in another thread, I meet them in sexually charged situations where they're "working." This isn't what I'm looking for and I'd be happy to know a few non-sexually, but that's just not how things seem to work out."

Though they might not be perfect there are a number of websites to
assist tgirls and interested guys meet up for non-commercial reasons.
www.tsgirlfriend.com www.urnotalone.com www.tgirls.net if you do
some googling I'm sure you can find more.

[BeardedOne]

A supporter of the community? Yes. A part of it; alas no. I live in a homophobic little burg with no tg community that I am aware of. If I lived in a more cosmopolitan city, I'm sure I'd be part of it.

HBG? Homophobic? All is relative, my friend. Though I'm unsure of the TG/TS levels of your neighborhood, I have experienced a fair amount of tollerance for the 'alternative' lifestyles there. Maybe it's different if you live there (I am about two hour's out), but I had a male lover there that was very 'out' and didn't seem to have a problem, so I don't think TG/TS would be too bad off either (Though in shorter supply, as it were).

You're just s spithrow from Philly, Baltimore, and PGH, so it shouldn't be too difficult to get into the mix if you're up for it.

Heh, look at me, the hermit du jour, giving dating advice. :roll:

[Ecstatic]

Well said, Ari. Love your new avatar! Caleigh is right; URNA is a great resource. I have met many TG friends through URNA.

[Caleigh]

I think for the most part involvement in the TG "community" is clearly for one of three reasons:

1) The person is basically newish to going out and doesn't feel like they can pass well enough and/or isn't confident enough not to CARE whether they pass or not so they go to places where there will be many other CD/TV/TG/TS so that they can feel safe and not the anomaly.

2) The person is looking for a partner and realizes that "admirers" will tend to be going to places where they will meet the most TGirls and so the girls go there as well, knowing that the guys they meet there are for sure interested in a TG rather than GG.

3) If the person is an escort they will want to go to "the marketplace" so that they can properly show their wares to people that they know are at least vaguely interested in purchasing them.

[peggygee]

I think for the most part involvement in the TG "community" is clearly for one of three reasons:

1) The person is basically newish to going out and doesn't feel like they can pass well enough and/or isn't confident enough not to CARE whether they pass or not so they go to places where there will be many other CD/TV/TG/TS so that they can feel safe and not the anomaly.

2) The person is looking for a partner and realizes that "admirers" will tend to be going to places where they will meet the most TGirls and so the girls go there as well, knowing that the guys they meet there are for sure interested in a TG rather than GG.

3) If the person is an escort they will want to go to "the marketplace" so that they can properly show their wares to people that they know are at least vaguely interested in purchasing them.

Caleigh,

I must beg to differ with you, if for no other reason than
semantical or in our definitions of 'community'.

Webster defines community as:

http://webster.com/dictionary/community

1 : a unified body of individuals: as a : STATE, COMMONWEALTH

b : the people with common interests living in a particular area;
broadly : the area itself <the problems of a large community>

c : an interacting population of various kinds of individuals
(as species) in a common location

d : a group of people with a common characteristic or interest
living together within a larger society <a community of retired
persons>

e : a group linked by a common policy

f : a body of persons or nations having a common history or
common social, economic, and political interests <the international community>

g : a body of persons of common and especially professional
interests scattered through a larger society <the academic community

My definition of the transcommunity is the body of
transpersons having a common history or common
social, economic, and political interests.

And admittedely the transcommunity isn't particularly
unified, however we tend to have many of the same
problems and the same goals

While there may be many people that are involved
with the transcommunity for the reasons you have
stated, and they may indeed account for a large
percentage of transwomen.

However due to the relatively diverse nature of the
transcommuntiy, one must wonder if your three
statements cover the majority.

Though I will concede if a woman is 'passing'
succesfully in the larger hetero- sexual society,
what might be her motivation for lingering in
the transcommunity.

One might feel that issue brings to mind the painful
choice that a person of mixed racial heritage might
face. If they are able to 'pass' for the less socially and
economically discriminated against caucasian race, should
they?

.

[BrendaQG]

Oh the transgendered community exist the trouble is there is little to no place in it for "tgirls" the like of which you see here....at least not at this stage of their lives.

In my modest experience the so called transgendered community is dominated by much older transitioning transsexuals, and crossdressers who are hostile to most if not all younger TS's. it is a body composed of transsexuals who typically if not generally, are married with grown up children and are at the top of their male dominated profession, before one microgram of supplemental estrogen enters their systems at the age of 45.

The cost of interacting with that set is either their sexual advances or their constant effrontery, grave disrespect for what much younger TS's actually go through. You have to smile and agree as some much older person tells you how lucky you are for having ran away ,or been thrown out of the house ,or having parents too drunk to notice what you do...so that you could transtition. Or you have to listen as they tell how they did whatever you did as a young person...but they hid it so that absolutely nobody knew it. :-? Usually even needing to out do you...whatever that is "feminine" you did they did two years earlier and more often...but they hid it. They say they hid it so well that nobody at all ever knew. :-/

They will insinuate that you are what they are but more intense of a crossdresser... They will say "well some are better at hiding it than others". Never considering that some just never really hide it, because there is nothing, no single activty (i.e. crossdressing) to hide.

Oh I'm not talking people who transtioned in highschool and were so convincing nobody knew it. I'm talking the Captain of the varsity football team talking about how he hid his "femininity". :-/ :-?

I freely admit I only stuck around certain other message boards and 3D groups of people to tell younger girls to "never trust anyone who would have started hormones over 25. Never trust them as far as advice related directly to transsexual life issues, they do not like you they want to hurt or use you. Things are possible for you that are impossible for them... Specifically a fully female life."

In short yes there is a "transgendered community" but for girls like myself and the others here, for the most part, interacting with it is more headache than it is worth.

[peggygee]

Oh the transgendered community exist the trouble is there is little to no place in it for "tgirls" the like of which you see here....at least not at this stage of their lives.

In my modest experience the so called transgendered community is dominated by much older transitioning transsexuals, and crossdressers who are hostile to most if not all younger TS's. it is a body composed of transsexuals who typically if not generally, are married with grown up children and are at the top of their male dominated profession, before one microgram of supplemental estrogen enters their systems at the age of 45.

The cost of interacting with that set is either their sexual advances or their constant effrontery, grave disrespect for what much younger TS's actually go through. You have to smile and agree as some much older person tells you how lucky you are for having ran away ,or been thrown out of the house ,or having parents too drunk to notice what you do...so that you could transtition. Or you have to listen as they tell how they did whatever you did as a young person...but they hid it so that absolutely nobody knew it. :-? Usually even needing to out do you...whatever that is "feminine" you did they did two years earlier and more often...but they hid it. They say they hid it so well that nobody at all ever knew. :-/

They will insinuate that you are what they are but more intense of a crossdresser... They will say "well some are better at hiding it than others". Never considering that some just never really hide it, because there is nothing, no single activty (i.e. crossdressing) to hide.

Oh I'm not talking people who transtioned in highschool and were so convincing nobody knew it. I'm talking the Captain of the varsity football team talking about how he hid his "femininity". :-/ :-?

I freely admit I only stuck around certain other message boards and 3D groups of people to tell younger girls to "never trust anyone who would have started hormones over 25. Never trust them as far as advice related directly to transsexual life issues, they do not like you they want to hurt or use you. Things are possible for you that are impossible for them... Specifically a fully female life."

In short yes there is a "transgendered community" but for girls like myself and the others here, for the most part, interacting with it is more headache than it is worth.

Last Thursday I had a lengthy conversation with some people, some of whom work in the mental health profession.

Our discussion was much alongst the lines that you have outlined. In our discussion I mentioned to these people that there tends to be division in the transcommunity, and a resultant ghettoization.

On the one side are the older TS/TG women who transition much later in life after having had careers, professions, and having married and reared children as stereotypical males. Statistically they may be caucasian, and tend to be from the middle to upper middle class socio economic levels. Further, as a result of starting realtively late in their transition they often may not have the most convincing results in their outcome.

The second category tends to be much youger. They begin their Estrogen intake and surgical procedures at a much earlier age. Often due to begining their transition at a relatively young age they are not able to complete all of their educational goals, and may not be able to pursue the career paths of their choosing. As a result they may find themselves working in sexually related endeavours. Due to their beginning their transition at a earlier age these transwomen tend to be more convincing in their gender choice. Women in this category come from all ethnicities, but skew slightly more towards ethnic minorities.

It bears pointing out that there are exceptions in both categories. Further, often - times there is much dissension between the two groups and there can be a great deal of distrust between the two groups.

Do they have much in common, do they have the same economic, political, etc goals.

In the sense that society tends to lump the two groups together, and discriminates against them accordingly, then yes, it can be said that they have that in common.

Thus with the diversity that there is in the transcommunity, with the transvestite, the non op, pre op, post op, their families and loved ones, further complicated by racial and other socio-economic factors, it becomes fairly apparent as to why there isn't greater unity in the transcommunity.

Oh, and don't forget the 'shade' that some girls will have for other girls, and well this accounts for some of the problems in 'trannytown'. :shrug

[BrendaQG]

To the extent that we all face discrimination for the same reason, transphobia, we can all work together on that. God willing

[BeardedOne]

To the extent that we all face discrimination for the same reason, transphobia, we can all work together on that. God willing

In the words of Kate Clinton, lesbian 'fumorist':

"God is a comedian working for the Marriott Corproation"

...And I tend to concur. :?

So many communities shut out so many of their own that it's both shameful and frustrating.

Whites seperate by politics and or religion (Republican/Democrat, Catholic/Protestant/Methodist/etc.), Blacks by shade (The infamous 'paper bag test'), Jews by level of faith (Orthodoxy, etc.), and so on.

TG/TS people are now, IMHO, at a point where the queer population was not long after the Stonewall riots. People know you're here, know you're not going away, but still too many are putting on blinders in the hopes that the "see no evil" concept will make things alright.

Meanwhile, the inner workings of the 'community' is still fighting amongst themselves for a multitude of reasons that have little to do with social acceptance. One hates another because her tits or cock are bigger, another because she has more vids under her belt, another because one lowballed her on a payment for a vidshoot, another because she had the audacity to wear the same dress to a party they attended.

Jeez-zus, "Can't we all just get along?", no, because that's how the human race 'works'.

Make the best of it.

Happy New Year.

[BrendaQG]

@ Beardedone.

Do you know the subtext of what we are talking about?

@ peggygee and in particular Araianna

What I am talking about is not a mere sexual difference.
--------------------

Consider the following. Two characters from the Simpsons.. Homer Simpson and Waylon Smithers. As males these two could not be more different. In ways that have nothing to do with sexuality. But then throw in thier sexual histories and see what a difference there is. Now imagine if in some future episode both of them decided to come out as transsexual. It is not hard for me to see that these two would fall into rather different crowds.

Homer and Police Chief Wiggum would probably hang out cross dressed together. While Smithers, Judge Constance Harm, and any other such stealthy TS's in Springfield would probably socialize a bit. It is not hard to imagine at all. In fact it seems logical. What would one person who collects Malibu Stacy dolls have to do with another who acts like John Bulushi from Animal house? They have nothing in Common before transtion and would only have the acts of transtion in common afterwards.

All other HSTS/AGP BS aside that is all there is to it.

[anonforthisforum]

I was when I first transitioned, but between work and other things in my life I rarely have the time to participate in that community. I do occasionally show up at night clubs where tg or ts people are sometimes known to gather, but that'[s more by chance than making an effort to be a part of a community.

[Caleigh]

ultra wicked avatar, reminds me of an old gf

[peggygee]

It's a nice concept, but I can't say that I believe one really exists. Things are so screwed up that we still get lumped in with the mythical "GLBT community"; even though sexuality has nothing to do with gender dysphoria.




TG/TS people are now, IMHO, at a point where the queer population was not long after the Stonewall riots. People know you're here, know you're not going away, but still too many are putting on blinders in the hopes that the "see no evil" concept will make things alright.

Meanwhile, the inner workings of the 'community' is still fighting amongst themselves for a multitude of reasons that have little to do with social acceptance. One hates another because her tits or cock are bigger, another because she has more vids under her belt, another because one lowballed her on a payment for a vidshoot, another because she had the audacity to wear the same dress to a party they attended.

Jeez-zus, "Can't we all just get along?", no, because that's how the human race 'works'.



Do you know the subtext of what we are talking about?

@ peggygee and in particular Araianna

What I am talking about is not a mere sexual difference.
--------------------

Consider the following. Two characters from the Simpsons.. Homer Simpson and Waylon Smithers. As males these two could not be more different. In ways that have nothing to do with sexuality. But then throw in thier sexual histories and see what a difference there is. Now imagine if in some future episode both of them decided to come out as transsexual. It is not hard for me to see that these two would fall into rather different crowds.

Homer and Police Chief Wiggum would probably hang out cross dressed together. While Smithers, Judge Constance Harm, and any other such stealthy TS's in Springfield would probably socialize a bit. It is not hard to imagine at all. In fact it seems logical. What would one person who collects Malibu Stacy dolls have to do with another who acts like John Bulushi from Animal house? They have nothing in Common before transtion and would only have the acts of transtion in common afterwards.

All other HSTS/AGP BS aside that is all there is to it.



I tend to agree a great deal with Ariannas' statement. The theory of a united 'transommunity' is a beautiful dream, however the reality is more like a horrific nightmare, due to many of the reasons that have been stated.

Further I have also felt that the aspirations of the gay, lesbian, and bi communities didn't always assertively enough address the concerns of the transcommunity. I have even felt that the transcommunity was included in the GLBT acronym as a matter of political correctness.

However, wars and revolutions make strange bedfellows.

While the trancommunity, and it's allies are diverse, splintered, and fractious entities, they should realize that it is in their best interests to unite for a common good.

Perhaps once the war has been won then we may go back to pursuing our own special interests.

And have no doubt about this that a war is being fought.

It's goals are basic human rights and equal and fair treatment.