way to go racists

[Wendy Summers]

I'm a little sad you all chased away Amber. She's a total sweetie. If you were going to chase one of our token minority performers away why not that nasty bitch Krissy. She keeps making all these threads onto ducking Asians. #fauxdrama.

On another note, my tablet seems racist... It tried to autocorrect nasty into natty. I think I need to get a new tablet... I can't abide racism

[Prospero]

Yes... amber should not have gone.

[Wendy Summers]

Yes... amber should not have gone.

Given how nice her ass is, I'll simply say I hate to see her leave but love to watch her go.,,, #pervy

[nysprod]

I'm a little sad you all chased away Amber. She's a total sweetie. If you were going to chase one of our token minority performers away why not that nasty bitch Krissy. She keeps making all these threads onto ducking Asians. #fauxdrama.

On another note, my tablet seems racist... It tried to autocorrect nasty into natty. I think I need to get a new tablet... I can't abide racism


Yes... amber should not have gone.

Franklyn's black tgirls in porn thread was the straw that broke the camel's back...

[Amy Gray]

If you were going to chase one of our token minority performers away why not that nasty bitch Krissy. She keeps making all these threads onto ducking Asians. #fauxdrama.

I would like to second this. Not only did she make all the threads about ducking Asians but then she ate the ducks! She didn't even cook them or anything! She's got to go.

[tsadriana]

Where is Amber?

[nysprod]

I'm a little sad you all chased away Amber. She's a total sweetie. If you were going to chase one of our token minority performers away why not that nasty bitch Krissy. She keeps making all these threads onto ducking Asians. #fauxdrama.

On another note, my tablet seems racist... It tried to autocorrect nasty into natty. I think I need to get a new tablet... I can't abide racism

Yeah, idk what going on in that other thread...even Robert Lewis is in on it...on and on and on it's gone with racist comments.

[GroobySteven]

If you can't take the drama, if you can't stand up for stuff and if you take offence at one or two idiots, then you probably shouldn't participate in an online forum.

I like Amber - but she can give as good as can take, both on intellectual topics as well as snipes and bites.

[tsdvdman]

I'm a little sad you all chased away Amber. She's a total sweetie. If you were going to chase one of our token minority performers away why not that nasty bitch Krissy. She keeps making all these threads onto ducking Asians. #fauxdrama.

On another note, my tablet seems racist... It tried to autocorrect nasty into natty. I think I need to get a new tablet... I can't abide racism

"token minority performers"?
You probably didn't mean it but that quote is generally viewed as racist itself

[Prospero]

I like Amber - but she can give as good as can take, both on intellectual topics as well as snipes and bites.

Very true -which is such a shame she is quitting. But maybe its the education thing... and on that we all have to wish her well.

[Wendy Summers]

"token minority performers"?
You probably didn't mean it but that quote is generally viewed as racist itself

True enough...

Would non-cracker asses be better?:hide-1:

[GroobyKrissy]

I'm a little sad you all chased away Amber. She's a total sweetie. If you were going to chase one of our token minority performers away why not that nasty bitch Krissy. She keeps making all these threads onto ducking Asians. #fauxdrama.

On another note, my tablet seems racist... It tried to autocorrect nasty into natty. I think I need to get a new tablet... I can't abide racism

Oh Wendy (and the rest of the world),

What will it take for you to get this through your thick, skull-fucked head? You cannot be racist if you are a minority. It is impossible. Racism is something you White people have... also crabs.

[GroobyKrissy]

I would like to second this. Not only did she make all the threads about ducking Asians but then she ate the ducks! She didn't even cook them or anything! She's got to go.

Geez, and I was so nice to you the other night. :fuckin: The least I would expect is that you would have my back about my eating habits. Then again, I suppose your nose is buried pretty far up Wendy Summers' twat so you're forgiven. :salad

[VictoriaVeil]

True enough...

Would non-cracker asses be better?:hide-1:

As Good as reverse Caspers... :geek:

[Amy Gray]

Okay, on a serious note, I have met Amber a couple times in person and I've always had a deep respect for her as performer but more importantly as a person. I also know that racism is one issue she has no tolerance for, it's one of the things I respect her for. In light of some of the past threads I can't say I'm surprised to see her go but I'm definitely saddened. Still, I wish her the absolute best with her schooling.

I think what bothers me so much is that some of the recent racism that has cropped up is that it's very much out of line with the type of business Steven runs. I have never gotten any sense from Steven or his businesses of anything less than complete tolerance and respect for people no matter their race, orientation, or what junk they're packing. I guess that's why this bigotry toward performers of color is so saddening. It's precisely because it's so alien to the spirit of this space that it winds up tarnishing this forum with it's presence.

I understand how hard it can be navigating the fine line between creating a space where people feel they can discuss topics freely and maintaining an environment where people are civil and respectful of each other. Unfortunately those two spaces rarely coincide and you just can't force class on ignorant people.

I guess my opinion isn't worth so much as a relative outsider but I wanted to thank Seanchai for taking this topic so seriously. I just hope that certain posters can learn to grow the fuck up and start acting like mature adults.

[Amy Gray]

Geez, and I was so nice to you the other night. :fuckin: The least I would expect is that you would have my back about my eating habits. Then again, I suppose your nose is buried pretty far up Wendy Summers' twat so you're forgiven. :salad

I tried to get out but the crabs have me by my nose! :(

[Odelay]

Racism has existed on this forum for at least as long as I've been around. Can't comment much on the 2003 - 2006 yrs. The interesting thing about it is that one of the functions of this forum, that I see, is members learning tolerance about alternative genders, sexual orientation, etc. And, of course, racism is really the opposite of tolerance.

And on a less serious note... yes, I agree, Krissy's gotta go. Damn, uppity Asians.

[GroobyKrissy]

Well since we're being all serious and stuff.

First I must admit that I only read about the first three pages of the maligned (rightfully so) thread in question, along with the last (28, 29) because it just kept making me more and more angry.

That being said, I do think the terms "racism" and "racist" are thrown around far too much. The OP in that thread wasn't racist... just stating a rather unnecessary opinion in a rather blunt (read: idiotic) sort of way. The thread seems to devolve rather rapidly to having SOME racist elements in it... BUT, also just a bunch of stupid, poorly worded, and poorly thought out opinions.

I would say, let us start, from all sides, differentiating between the two.

Personally, I try never to resort to the "racism / racist" term because quite honestly, it is unassailable. Once the term has been used, the very question of whether it should have been used in the first place is, of course, racist. It is a circular argument that has no end and no beginning, which for geometry majors out there, duh... circular.

Clearly racism and racists exist. But so do idiots with big mouths, who are cowards, and who have no hearts, and who just want to spout off opinions and sound educated.

The fact of the matter is, through a forum such as this, it is nearly impossible to actually tell if someone is racist simply because you don't 'know' the person... You KNOW what they type. I think it is VERY, VERY rare when someone actually types something so telling that you can, in fact, state that they are definitively "racist". Almost everything else can be chalked up to opinions, idiotic or otherwise, and / or intentionally inflammatory comments.

Seriously, if I spent my time addressing all the emails I get where someone says, "Oh my god... I love you! ORIENTAL girls are so hot!", I would be constantly on my computer instead of cutting off drivers, running my liquor store, and doing mani-pedi's for right White folks. The racism card has been played out long ago. There are no more aces in the deck. Quite frankly, in this day and age of internet stupidity, there are only dunces with deuces.

[GroobyKrissy]

I tried to get out but the crabs have me by my nose! :(

Something to think about all day:

Somewhere out there, right at this very moment, there is actually someone trying to have sex with an actual crab. Picture it. Dwell on it.

[Wendy Summers]

Oh Wendy (and the rest of the world),
Racism is something you White people have... also crabs.

Close the interwebz. Krissy just won the interwebz,

[amberskyi]

If you can't take the drama, if you can't stand up for stuff and if you take offence at one or two idiots, then you probably shouldn't participate in an online forum.

I like Amber - but she can give as good as can take, both on intellectual topics as well as snipes and bites.

thats bullshit...i have seen comments removed several times due to anti-semitic comments.i even remember Libby posting a photo shoot in which she was wearing a costume resembling a ss uniform and receiving so much shit for it that she took the pics down.however not one racist comment towards black woman was removed or even called out wtf is up with that? what type of message does that send?!?!

[GroobyKrissy]

Racism has existed on this forum for at least as long as I've been around. Can't comment much on the 2003 - 2006 yrs. The interesting thing about it is that one of the functions of this forum, that I see, is members learning tolerance about alternative genders, sexual orientation, etc. And, of course, racism is really the opposite of tolerance.

And on a less serious note... yes, I agree, Krissy's gotta go. Damn, uppity Asians.

Actually, I just took a nice, long crap in the crapper. Yeah... dwell on that all day too. Anyway, I'm all emptied out... no going for me!

[GroobyKrissy]

Close the interwebz. Krissy just won the interwebz,

I own Al Gore? Awesome!

[amberskyi]

Well since we're being all serious and stuff.

First I must admit that I only read about the first three pages of the maligned (rightfully so) thread in question, along with the last (28, 29) because it just kept making me more and more angry.

That being said, I do think the terms "racism" and "racist" are thrown around far too much. The OP in that thread wasn't racist... just stating a rather unnecessary opinion in a rather blunt (read: idiotic) sort of way. The thread seems to devolve rather rapidly to having SOME racist elements in it... BUT, also just a bunch of stupid, poorly worded, and poorly thought out opinions.

I would say, let us start, from all sides, differentiating between the two.

Personally, I try never to resort to the "racism / racist" term because quite honestly, it is unassailable. Once the term has been used, the very question of whether it should have been used in the first place is, of course, racist. It is a circular argument that has no end and no beginning, which for geometry majors out there, duh... circular.

Clearly racism and racists exist. But so do idiots with big mouths, who are cowards, and who have no hearts, and who just want to spout off opinions and sound educated.

The fact of the matter is, through a forum such as this, it is nearly impossible to actually tell if someone is racist simply because you don't 'know' the person... You KNOW what they type. I think it is VERY, VERY rare when someone actually types something so telling that you can, in fact, state that they are definitively "racist". Almost everything else can be chalked up to opinions, idiotic or otherwise, and / or intentionally inflammatory comments.

Seriously, if I spent my time addressing all the emails I get where someone says, "Oh my god... I love you! ORIENTAL girls are so hot!", I would be constantly on my computer instead of cutting off drivers, running my liquor store, and doing mani-pedi's for right White folks. The racism card has been played out long ago. There are no more aces in the deck. Quite frankly, in this day and age of internet stupidity, there are only dunces with deuces.

ive made this point several times and im tired of having it ignored im not going to type it out againhun so im just going to repost the difference between preference and racism....

"now i totally understand preference.there was a recent thread someone posted about Wolf (the male model in ts porn).i made a comment (because i have worked with him) about how i find him a sweet heart but he's not my type.the op took that to mean i thought he was unattractive which i quickly corrected and said i think he's a very cute guy but i personally prefer men of color.do you see the difference between me calling him ugly because he's Caucasian and saying its not my preference? "

[GroobyKrissy]

ive made this point several times and im tired of having it ignored im not going to type it out againhun so im just going to repost the difference between preference and racism....

"now i totally understand preference.there was a recent thread someone posted about Wolf (the male model in ts porn).i made a comment (because i have worked with him) about how i find him a sweet heart but he's not my type.the op took that to mean i thought he was unattractive which i quickly corrected and said i think he's a very cute guy but i personally prefer men of color.do you see the difference between me calling him ugly because he's Caucasian and saying its not my preference? "

Mmmm... no.

Even if you were to say he was ugly because he was Caucasian... that is not a racist statement. It CAN be interpreted as such. In and of itself though, it is still a preference / opinion which only YOU (the speaker) can judge. No one else can go into your mind and say you are saying that because you harbor some hatred of Caucasians.

Racism is not black and white (haha). Let me tell a story...

I went hiking one day here in Oregon in a predominantly Caucasian portion of the state. On the way back, I was dirty, poorly dressed, and probably smelled terrible. I stopped into a well-known tourist attraction to get a drink. I rarely carry cash and when I go hiking in the backwoods, I usually only take my license and CC. I grabbed my CC, leaving my license in the car. I walked into the store got my drink and was in line at the counter, which was all Caucasian with about 20 people total. Things were taking a while so I kind of glanced ahead to see what the hold up was. Turns out their CC machine was broken so they were doing it old-school by hand.

Now, about 5 people away from the counter, I could hear the transactions. These well dressed, non-sweaty, White Americans were handing over their cards one after the other and the counter person (older, White female) just ran their cards, willy-nilly. No questions asked. Keep in mind, this is a tourist attraction so people were buying T-shirts, logo cups, etc. etc. I had a Coke and chips. When I got to the counter, this person took ONE look at me and said,

"I need to see your ID" and refused to run the transaction.

Now... at this point, I can take this two ways.

A. This person is racist.
B. This person is a shop owner doing her job.

Open to interpretation. What should I have done?

[DCGuy343]

thats bullshit...i have seen comments removed several times due to anti-semitic comments.i even remember Libby posting a photo shoot in which she was wearing a costume resembling a ss uniform and receiving so much shit for it that she took the pics down.however not one racist comment towards black woman was removed or even called out wtf is up with that? what type of message does that send?!?!

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

There has always been a double standard in regards to this in the world, not just this forum. Unfortunately that will not change anytime soon.

[luvblack77]

My name on this forum says it all about my preference. Yes, I have a strong preference for black transgender women, and yet I respect all people as human beings. I am caucasian myself and so is my mother, my sister and my nieces, and I respect them and love them dearly. Frankly I do not come to this forum or post very often because I do find that many members cross the thin line between preference and racism too often and too blatant. I find this to be the case on many forums where many Americans participate. I was reading in the news that a city demolition crew tore down the wrong house by mistake somewhere in the US, and some of the comments on the forum were full of hatred against Mexicans. Is the Mayor of the town Mexican? I do not think so. Was the demolition crew Mexican? The news report did not say but most likely not, yet racism shows its ugly face even in situations where most people would not even consider it possible.

[GroobyKrissy]

thats bullshit...i have seen comments removed several times due to anti-semitic comments.i even remember Libby posting a photo shoot in which she was wearing a costume resembling a ss uniform and receiving so much shit for it that she took the pics down.however not one racist comment towards black woman was removed or even called out wtf is up with that? what type of message does that send?!?!

1. Not sure what you're referencing here since they are deleted but, Anti-Semitic comments are probably removed due more to sensitivity and taste than to abject "racism", especially if they reference the Holocaust.

2. If Libby removed the pics herself, or petitioned to do so, that is a personal issue / decision then and has no immediate bearing on your argument of this forum censoring (or refusing to do so) Members. Clearly, if you are posing in any military style outfit as a model, you should be prepared for the comments. I actually surprised there isn't more said about the "girls with guns" type shoots.

3. Can you please define what you refer to as "racism"? I'm sorry if I have missed it... like I said, I only read a few pages of that thread.

[broncofan]

thats bullshit...i have seen comments removed several times due to anti-semitic comments.i even remember Libby posting a photo shoot in which she was wearing a costume resembling a ss uniform and receiving so much shit for it that she took the pics down.however not one racist comment towards black woman was removed or even called out wtf is up with that? what type of message does that send?!?!
It sends the message that you're not paying very close attention. There have also been racist comments about African-Americans removed. Not all, but then again not every anti-Semitic comment has been removed.

There are entire diatribes posted about greedy Jews and Jews controlling the media. They are still here and to me I understood that I'd either argue with those people or ignore them. I also figured that not every comment is spotted because thousands are posted and I didn't feel like using the complaint feature since it wasn't that important. You do not notice because I've paid attention to most of your self-referencing posts and they tend to be extremely self-centered.

But if you are interested Amber, I can find the posts for you.

[broncofan]

For Amber
Posted by Solitary Brother on 4-19-2012

"I say fuck the media for piling on Mel Gibson.
He is by far the best director in Hollywood but those greedy Jews only care about money and could not see true creativity until it smacked them in the face.
Do I like the things Mel said?
No.
But those bastards in Hollywood are 100 times more racist than Mel.
I don't own a tv,don't watch many movies at all.
I don't support their fraudulent incestuous system.
We in America have criticed the racism of every group except Jews and that is a conversation America needs to have because they are the biggest hypocrites."

Edit: P.S I'll stop here but you let me know if you're not convinced and I could keep going. You too DCGuy.

[nysprod]

thats bullshit...i have seen comments removed several times due to anti-semitic comments.i even remember Libby posting a photo shoot in which she was wearing a costume resembling a ss uniform and receiving so much shit for it that she took the pics down.however not one racist comment towards black woman was removed or even called out wtf is up with that? what type of message does that send?!?!

It was me that called Libby out about the nazi pic although I have to admit I seriously doubted she really meant anything by it.

But I was the only one who objected to the pic, if I remember correctly...I guess it's up to us members to look after this type of thing.

[youngblood61]

It was me that called Libby out about the nazi pic although I have to admit I seriously doubted she really meant anything by it.

But I was the only one who objected to the pic, if I remember correctly...I guess it's up to us members to look after this type of thing.Your right! We as members should Police this shit. To Amber, sorry sis I'm guilty of sitting on my hands when these comments appeared.

[broncofan]

Amber is very self-centered. She did not notice many comments about Jewish people simply because they did not involve her which is why she now has the audacity to imply that Jews have gotten preferential treatment. Puerile nonsense.

She also has apparently not noticed the number of people who have been banned for making racist comments about African-Americans and how vigorously many of the members here (some of them Jewish) argued with them.

I agree with Seanchai's comment that in the rough and tumble of a forum you cannot expect to never see anything you don't like.

[TSPornFan]

I've read the entire thread. I didn't see one racist comment.

I understand that attractiveness is a sensitive topic for everyone. Nobody said all black TS women are ugly. In fact many people said that many of the best looking black TS women don't shot porn. Many people also recognized the most popular and attractive black TS women.

Many members believe that attractive black ts women are underrepresented on the site.

The real problem is that Amber is upset that a black man isn't interested in black women, and demands for him to change sexual preferences.

[Prospero]

Would someone please advise me which thread has prompted so much argument. I see references to a thread in which insults have been made but no identifying reference to the thread itself

[broncofan]

Black Tranny Porn.

[GroobySteven]

thats bullshit...i have seen comments removed several times due to anti-semitic comments.i even remember Libby posting a photo shoot in which she was wearing a costume resembling a ss uniform and receiving so much shit for it that she took the pics down.however not one racist comment towards black woman was removed or even called out wtf is up with that? what type of message does that send?!?!

We've removed many, many racist comments on all fronts so it's not bullshit, I'd say barely a day goes by without a deletion from one of the moderators or myself that goes beyond the lines of what I'm prepared to put up with. Since we took over this forum, the amount of racism and abuse has dropped massively. However, I'm not going to sanitize this forum - or any part of my company - into a overtly politically correct forum just to appease a few people who might have had their noses rubbed the wrong way.

You made a big exit statement - so either stick with your principles and keep out - or come back and participate. I don't care either way, I'm happy how we run this forum and confident that it reflects both my personal and my companies ethics and morals in both the freedom to argue a point or have differing viewpoints but to also moderate when people are clearly just here to cause a problem.

[EZWind]

Geez, and I was so nice to you the other night. :fuckin: The least I would expect is that you would have my back about my eating habits. Then again, I suppose your nose is buried pretty far up Wendy Summers' twat so you're forgiven. :salad

...one of my oldest and best friends is ABC (American Born Chinese)
...he used to say, "The only thing with 4 legs we DON'T eat is the table"

[bluesoul]

What should I have done?

ask her: "why do you need to see my id?"



You made a big exit statement - so either stick with your principles and keep out - or come back and participate.

lol

i've never really seen the point of people starting a whole thread to say they're leaving. why not just leave?

[TSCURIOUS]

^^What the big guy said is fine with me!
Spot on-

[nysprod]

The real problem is that Amber is upset that a black man isn't interested in black women, and demands for him to change sexual preferences.





There you go again with your stupid shit...you just can't help herself. Fuckin' virgin fanboi.

[GroobyKrissy]

ask her: "why do you need to see my id?"

Did just that and she said it was "store policy" despite the fact that I had just watched her run transactions for all the people in front of me without asking anyone else for an ID.

I voted with my dollar and left after pointing this out to her. A few people applauded when I left and a couple put their stuff down right there in the line and walked out behind me. I also later wrote a letter to the managers of the attraction but haven't heard back.

It was an interesting incident and one that I think highlights that racism does exist. I think how you choose to deal with it says a lot about whether it will continue to exist or be stamped out.

[EZWind]

I like Amber - but she can give as good as can take, both on intellectual topics as well as snipes and bites.

...having been on the receiving end of those snipes and bites, just thought I'd share this: I posted a reply to a topic once in which I made a totally innocent and innocuous comment referencing a reply she had made to that same topic and which she obviously took entirely the wrong way and she jumped on me with both feet. I apologized for the misunderstanding (twice as it turned out) explaining how I meant no disrespect. And even while accepting the apologies (sort of) she was still adding little digs and jabs. This went back and forth there, to the extent where now the thread is all about Amber and not the original topic. It was at this point I decided well, the best thing for me to do is just ignore this person.


... However, I'm not going to sanitize this forum - or any part of my company - into a overtly politically correct forum just to appease a few people who might have had their noses rubbed the wrong way.
You made a big exit statement - so either stick with your principles and keep out - or come back and participate. I don't care either way,

Right on, Chief...I'm with ya 100% on that score. Who is she, Brett Favre or what?

[EZWind]

I voted with my dollar and left after pointing this out to her. A few people applauded when I left and a couple put their stuff down right there in the line and walked out behind me.

...way to go Krissy....had I been there I would have been one o those walker outers with ya. That cashier and the company suits who refused to reply to your letter...instant Karma gonna get them

[Amy Gray]

What should I have done?

As if it isn't obvious.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln80y6l7wg1qlfdyio1_400.gif

[Bopper007]

Did just that and she said it was "store policy" despite the fact that I had just watched her run transactions for all the people in front of me without asking anyone else for an ID.

I voted with my dollar and left after pointing this out to her. A few people applauded when I left and a couple put their stuff down right there in the line and walked out behind me. I also later wrote a letter to the managers of the attraction but haven't heard back.

It was an interesting incident and one that I think highlights that racism does exist. I think how you choose to deal with it says a lot about whether it will continue to exist or be stamped out.

Excellent response Krissy. That's what I believe in. The American way is to vote with your dollar. If a business has treated me wrong, they no longer get my business.

[ImpulZ]

which amber we talk about?

[Yvonne183]

I am also leaving this forum,, wait a minute,, I already left forget what I said then,, hell, maybe this is better, I came back to say that I am leaving the forum, where in about a year I will come back again and say I am leaving again.

Amber,, I kinda like you, you are firm on what you believe, this is a good thing. You are not afraid to make a stand in what you believe, you even stood up to my ideas, didn't change my mind any but you had your views and stuck to them. If you leave the forum, do so for other reasons, like for me the forum is boring as hell, that's why I left, same old garbage churning out day after day. Don't leave cause there are idiots here, do like you did in past posts, stand up and defend your ideals.

Of note, I dislike most of what Natina says but would never have banned her cause some lonely old fart member of this forum made a sissy rant against her, he should be a man and stop whining.

Bye,, see ya'll next year,,,, maybe? Maybe not,, I think I'll be dead, lol.

[TSPornFan]

Right on, Chief...I'm with ya 100% on that score. Who is she, Brett Favre or what?

Hey there watch it! Brett Favre is a living God!

[robertlouis]

Okay, on a serious note, I have met Amber a couple times in person and I've always had a deep respect for her as performer but more importantly as a person. I also know that racism is one issue she has no tolerance for, it's one of the things I respect her for. In light of some of the past threads I can't say I'm surprised to see her go but I'm definitely saddened. Still, I wish her the absolute best with her schooling.

I think what bothers me so much is that some of the recent racism that has cropped up is that it's very much out of line with the type of business Steven runs. I have never gotten any sense from Steven or his businesses of anything less than complete tolerance and respect for people no matter their race, orientation, or what junk they're packing. I guess that's why this bigotry toward performers of color is so saddening. It's precisely because it's so alien to the spirit of this space that it winds up tarnishing this forum with it's presence.

I understand how hard it can be navigating the fine line between creating a space where people feel they can discuss topics freely and maintaining an environment where people are civil and respectful of each other. Unfortunately those two spaces rarely coincide and you just can't force class on ignorant people.

I guess my opinion isn't worth so much as a relative outsider but I wanted to thank Seanchai for taking this topic so seriously. I just hope that certain posters can learn to grow the fuck up and start acting like mature adults.



Terrific post Amy. The saddest aspect is that some of the posters hereabouts can't see or think beyond the end of their own egocentric dicks. How they deal with women, gg or trans, in the real world is a complete mystery to me. It goes beyond racism into sheer misogyny.

[robertlouis]

I am also leaving this forum,, wait a minute,, I already left forget what I said then,, hell, maybe this is better, I came back to say that I am leaving the forum, where in about a year I will come back again and say I am leaving again.

Amber,, I kinda like you, you are firm on what you believe, this is a good thing. You are not afraid to make a stand in what you believe, you even stood up to my ideas, didn't change my mind any but you had your views and stuck to them. If you leave the forum, do so for other reasons, like for me the forum is boring as hell, that's why I left, same old garbage churning out day after day. Don't leave cause there are idiots here, do like you did in past posts, stand up and defend your ideals.

Of note, I dislike most of what Natina says but would never have banned her cause some lonely old fart member of this forum made a sissy rant against her, he should be a man and stop whining.

Bye,, see ya'll next year,,,, maybe? Maybe not,, I think I'll be dead, lol.


Yvonne, very nice to hear from you at long last. I've been wondering how you were. PM if you like, I'd love to hear from you.

[runningdownthatdream]

I am also leaving this forum,, wait a minute,, I already left forget what I said then,, hell, maybe this is better, I came back to say that I am leaving the forum, where in about a year I will come back again and say I am leaving again.

Amber,, I kinda like you, you are firm on what you believe, this is a good thing. You are not afraid to make a stand in what you believe, you even stood up to my ideas, didn't change my mind any but you had your views and stuck to them. If you leave the forum, do so for other reasons, like for me the forum is boring as hell, that's why I left, same old garbage churning out day after day. Don't leave cause there are idiots here, do like you did in past posts, stand up and defend your ideals.

Of note, I dislike most of what Natina says but would never have banned her cause some lonely old fart member of this forum made a sissy rant against her, he should be a man and stop whining.

Bye,, see ya'll next year,,,, maybe? Maybe not,, I think I'll be dead, lol.

Hellooo Yvonne!

[tsadriana]

Im a bit upset for Amber going...My advice is Amber to not let them get you ...racism will be always here and everywhere ...and racist people are the ones who has a sad life ...i feel sorry for this sad people.

[fivekatz]

There are three options we have when confronted by racism and other prejudices and/or opinions that we find not only generally objectionable but believe to create personal offense.

1. Fight (in this context post back)

2. Flee (leave the community)

3. Choose to ignore the ignorant, the sick hearted and stop looking at their posts but let your voice continue to be heard by others on other topics of importance.

Racism has no place in society but sadly it does, I have no idea how many slights and cuts Amber felt she had either done 1 or 3. But to those that say goodbye threads are silly, there are plenty of folks that don't have a probably with a fellow poster saying see you later and giving others a chance to wish her health and prosperity.

just my take.

[tsadriana]

Like i said the racism comes from people who actualy think they done nothing wrong ,the racism comes from people who actualy brought the mirror from the wrong shop,the RACISM comes from people who think they done nothing wrong ,the racism comes from people who pretend to be religious when they actualy are not.the ones who pray on sunday and kill on monday ...imao its just my opinion.:mad:

[Yvonne183]

OMG, I just realized something,,, I am a racist,, hanging with bikers will do that to one. Maybe I should get out more. Still, whatever I am doesn't mean that Amber should not stand her ground. Just sometimes I stand over here, on a differing ground,, not really totally my fault,,, just my environment, one has to fit in ones crowd to survive. If I didn't be with racists then the others would have killed me,, I just wanted to live,, that's all I asked, nothing more, just to live. did that make sense?,, I'm kinda foggy in the head,, well, I'm more than foggy,, my mind is going, I better try and catch up to it. I'm kinda free from the bad men, but my mind is still warped a bit.

[runningdownthatdream]

Good to have you back Yvonne.............

[fivekatz]

WTF! This is a site where to some extent almost every poster has either accepted their own or others transgender. And yet there is a problem with someone's religion or their race?

Pretty f'ing stupid IMO.

OTOH the thread about black t-girls sort of reflected the attitude of human disconnect when talking about people.

Call naive but if you can't folks do better in being sensitive to the fact that the written word has no inflection, no gestures, just words and when those words are poorly framed they can hurt others.

[tsadriana]

How about the Keyboard Warriors who spend 75% of their lives front of PC?

[GroobyKrissy]

...way to go Krissy....had I been there I would have been one o those walker outers with ya. That cashier and the company suits who refused to reply to your letter...instant Karma gonna get them

To be fair, I never followed up or expected a reply. It was really more of a venting on my part to write the letter. I was stewing about it in the car all the way home.

I can tell you this though... it was REALLY great to hear people clap and see the couple walk out behind me as well.

[GroobyKrissy]

As if it isn't obvious.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln80y6l7wg1qlfdyio1_400.gif

That is awesome. What is this from? It tickles my brain but I can't place it.

[EZWind]

To be fair, I never followed up or expected a reply. It was really more of a venting on my part to write the letter.

..yeah, best thing to do is put behind ya and move on. Life's too short to waste time and energy fretting about jagoffs like that

[tsadriana]

Days of our Lives in the USA example for sad people:mad:

[robertlouis]

To be fair, I never followed up or expected a reply. It was really more of a venting on my part to write the letter. I was stewing about it in the car all the way home.

I can tell you this though... it was REALLY great to hear people clap and see the couple walk out behind me as well.


Good for you Krissy. Did something similar a few years back when staff in a cafe not far from where I live were studiously avoiding a young black couple. Waitress came to me and I said loudly that they had arrived before me and would she therefore serve them first. She flustered for a while but did it.

The couple invited me to join them so I did, and a number of the other customers came over to say well done. It's nice to be nice!

[EZWind]

Hey there watch it! Brett Favre is a living God!
...damn...I was afraid there might be some FavreHeads on here. I was trying to think of someone who kept leaving and coming back nd he was the first that popped in my head. Let's see, Cher? Barbra Striesand? The Who? Better stop before I step on anyone else's toes

[EZWind]

The couple invited me to join them so I did, and a number of the other customers came over to say well done. It's nice to be nice!

...right on, robt...Karma gonna get you, too....it works both ways doesn't it? You also get points for doing the Right thing.

[robertlouis]

...right on, robt...Karma gonna get you, too....it works both ways doesn't it? You also get points for doing the Right thing.


They turned up at my next gig too, which was a nice surprise.

[Hannibal Lecter]

We've removed many, many racist comments on all fronts so it's not bullshit, I'd say barely a day goes by without a deletion from one of the moderators or myself that goes beyond the lines of what I'm prepared to put up with. Since we took over this forum, the amount of racism and abuse has dropped massively. However, I'm not going to sanitize this forum - or any part of my company - into a overtly politically correct forum just to appease a few people who might have had their noses rubbed the wrong way.

You made a big exit statement - so either stick with your principles and keep out - or come back and participate. I don't care either way, I'm happy how we run this forum and confident that it reflects both my personal and my companies ethics and morals in both the freedom to argue a point or have differing viewpoints but to also moderate when people are clearly just here to cause a problem.

Excuse me, but what forums are you talking about? This one? Because if so, then you seem to be way too selective in censoring all the racist and other shit.. Take for example, the jerk who call himself "russtafa" and all the statements of this kind:

- i will piss on any muslim gave ,more than happy to
- fuck the muslim dogs my ancestors bathed in their blood and if i was of military age i would not mind a good bath lol
- they are just a bunch of muslims i hope they kill each other


http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=1093009&highlight=muslim#post1093009
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=1102687&highlight=muslim#post1102687

The fucking retard is flourishing here despite all. But according to all natural laws of humanity he would be banned way ago after all this..

So, are you selective or not, i am asking you? Are you making a difference between racism and racism? It seems so to me.

[GroobySteven]

Excuse me, but what forums are you talking about? This one? Because if so, then you seem to be way too selective in censoring all the racist and other shit.. Take for example, the jerk who call himself "russtafa" and all the statements of this kind:

- i will piss on any muslim gave ,more than happy to
- fuck the muslim dogs my ancestors bathed in their blood and if i was of military age i would not mind a good bath lol
- they are just a bunch of muslims i hope they kill each other


http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=1093009&highlight=muslim#post1093009
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=1102687&highlight=muslim#post1102687

The fucking retard is flourishing here despite all. But according to all natural laws of humanity he would be banned way ago after all this..

So, are you selective or not, i am asking you? Are you making a difference between racism and racism? It seems so to me.

Did you flag those posts and make a complaint? In what context were they used?
I don't read every single post on here - this is why we have a flag system. I don't read ANY posts in the "Political and Religion" section unless flagged and allow a larger leeway for posters there as long as they keep it in there and off the general discussion.

I've just looked at those posts and one could possibly have been removed, the other was in context and I wouldn't have removed it.

Do I have preferences when it comes to race and religion. No. I'm completely equalist when it comes to race and I completely loathe all religions but day to day, depending on the context of what's been going on in the world and people wanting to vent or have discussion about something horrible, then often there will be more leeway on their venting then if they'd simply created a post.

If you don't like how a newspaper is moderated or edited, then buy a different newspaper, the same goes for this forum - there are plenty of other forums out there.

[Hannibal Lecter]

Did you flag those posts and make a complaint? In what context were they used?
I don't read every single post on here - this is why we have a flag system. I don't read ANY posts in the "Political and Religion" section unless flagged and allow a larger leeway for posters there as long as they keep it in there and off the general discussion.

I've just looked at those posts and one could possibly have been removed, the other was in context and I wouldn't have removed it.

Do I have preferences when it comes to race and religion. No. I'm completely equalist when it comes to race and I completely loathe all religions but day to day, depending on the context of what's been going on in the world and people wanting to vent or have discussion about something horrible, then often there will be more leeway on their venting then if they'd simply created a post.

If you don't like how a newspaper is moderated or edited, then buy a different newspaper, the same goes for this forum - there are plenty of other forums out there.

Well, that's why a forum has several moderators, right? And this forum seem to have it.
But despite that fact, there are plenty of posts around here totaly ignored by the moderating
staff and almost ALL of them are attacking a particular religion and a kind of people connected
to it, totaly free and uncensored. Well that's too bad particularly because the forum seems to
promote your business as well, so it's not to be considered simply as a silly bullshit forum, but
a bit more than that. And this thing that I statued here is only a tiny sample, there are plenty more of such crap,
totaly ignored by the moderators. I simply felt i had to react here, since i know that it is a well-know, ongoing
uncensored thing here, and if you search you will quickly find a lot more.

But anyway, Your conclusion here is that russtafa is all set and i am the guy that should leave ?!?

"Pissing on any muslim grave", "muslim dogs", "bathing in their blood", "hoping they kill each other"
are "words in context" ?!? In context of what could possibly those horrible words be tolerated, please tell me??

[Toadily]

Did just that and she said it was "store policy" despite the fact that I had just watched her run transactions for all the people in front of me without asking anyone else for an ID.

I voted with my dollar and left after pointing this out to her. A few people applauded when I left and a couple put their stuff down right there in the line and walked out behind me. I also later wrote a letter to the managers of the attraction but haven't heard back.

It was an interesting incident and one that I think highlights that racism does exist. I think how you choose to deal with it says a lot about whether it will continue to exist or be stamped out.

So you go into a store looking like the person sitting outside asking for change, smell like you haven't showered in days, have a credit card but nothing else, no wallet, no id no cash. Then get pissed when the cashier asked you for ID to protect the person's card, if it is yours or someone else's.
You are in line behind well dressed clean WHITE people with wallets, id's and cash.
That is what you know, do you know if the WHITE people in front of you have been there before? Did you study their transactions and see if they had their IDs exposed, like in an open wallet? No you didn't unless you were anticipating the situation.

Now lets just say it was not you but it was your card, the cashier doesn't ask for ID and rings it right up. You fight the charges and they go to the tape, you see the street person using it, what is the first thing you say? Why didn't they ask for ID? Look at that person. Sound about right?

:fu:

[GroobySteven]

But anyway, Your conclusion here is that russtafa is all set and i am the guy that should leave ?!?

"Pissing on any muslim grave", "muslim dogs", "bathing in their blood", "hoping they kill each other"
are "words in context" ?!? In context of what could possibly those horrible words be tolerated, please tell me??

Those quotes were in context to a news report of Muslim's urinating on British soldiers graves and I can understand how that would cause people to react, it clearly wasn't just a one off post.

YOU seem to have came to the conclusion that you should leave, so good luck. Don't leave an exit thread, thanks.

[GroobyKrissy]

So you go into a store looking like the person sitting outside asking for change, smell like you haven't showered in days, have a credit card but nothing else, no wallet, no id no cash. Then get pissed when the cashier asked you for ID to protect the person's card, if it is yours or someone else's.
You are in line behind well dressed clean WHITE people with wallets, id's and cash.
That is what you know, do you know if the WHITE people in front of you have been there before? Did you study their transactions and see if they had their IDs exposed, like in an open wallet? No you didn't unless you were anticipating the situation.

Now lets just say it was not you but it was your card, the cashier doesn't ask for ID and rings it right up. You fight the charges and they go to the tape, you see the street person using it, what is the first thing you say? Why didn't they ask for ID? Look at that person. Sound about right?

:fu:

Please.
Again, I must straighten out someone who cannot comprehend what they read.

A. I never said I got "pissed", nor did I approach the transaction as such.

B. The fact that people in front of me were clean, WHITE, and had ID's is immaterial to the point. (And, BTW... who would be sitting outside looking for change when they have a perfectly good CC to use? THINK before you talk.)

C. I sincerely doubt that people living in Oregon / Washington go to this particular tourist attraction more than once in a lifetime. Well, I'll just say what it is and you can make your own decision. It is more one of those "see it once, never see it again" things. It was the Stonehedge Memorial. It is so far out of the way and there is simply no reason to go there unless you're going specifically to see it... and certainly no reason to buy something at the store since it is overpriced. It was on my way back and I had never seen it... thus I stopped.

D. I specifically said that I could hear (and obviously see) all 5 of the transactions in front of me once I got to that point in line. Each person paid with a CC. And, no... none had open wallets or anything like that. That is just a stupid point. As is human nature, your eyes drift to where the motion is. Standing in line, you tend to follow what is happening at the register. I wasn't "anticipating" anything except to be treated like everyone else. I had a Coke and chips (about $3 transaction) VS. people in front of me with shirts, logo cups, food, etc. The person directly in front of me was about $60.00. You tell me why I was singled out....? You act like I was going around LOOKING to make a big scene. I am just NOT that person. This wasn't a "trap" or a "setup". I didn't film it for YouTube, I didn't report it to the local paper. Once I was out that door, done deal. I wrote a letter later. That is it.

E. In your desire to show off your brilliance, YOU have misunderstood the point of the post, which is to say, people INTERPRET things as racism differently, AND handle them differently. The whole point is that some people saw it as a racism (applauding when I walked out, and a couple leaving with me)... some people did NOT, or did not feel the need to speak against it if they did.

As far as ME handling the situation. I think it was racism on behalf of the counter person... "STORE POLICY". If it is "store policy" then you need to apply it to EVERYONE EQUALLY. Not just one person buying a Coke and a bag of chips. If she had even taken my card and looked at the back and THEN asked me for ID... I would have been OK. I have a bad habit of not signing any of my cards on the back so I would have understood that. She didn't even do that. She never handled my card at all. As I was handing it to her, she said, "I need to see your ID." Explain that...?

I VERY politely said that I had left my ID in the car but the transaction was only $3 vs the previous five transactions (all CC) which were all over $20.00. She still declined to run the transaction. You tell me if that is a reasonable course of action given the circumstances?

Look, you've made a lot of assumptions here.
You're assuming I was, "pissed". I wasn't.
You're assuming this is a major tourist attraction, with repeat business. It is not.
You're assuming the cashier did a lot of things she didn't do.
You're assuming that this elderly lady has perfect vision and can see and read an ID across a 3 foot counter.
You're assuming that some people paid with cash (no one that I saw did).

Your last point is immaterial here and has nothing to do with the actual way the transaction was handled.

Reread the post I made. The point is what some view or feel is racist some people will see as normal. The way some people handle racism is not the way others will handle it. Similarly, the way that some people handle other people who feel they must comment without fully understanding the entirety of a post.... well no... nothing similar. That is just plain stupid... as you have proven.

[iagodelgado]

I presume you mean Stonehenge Memorial, which I never had a clue existed until you mentioned it!

I've been to Stonehenge two (or three?) times because there is a lot more to the site than just the circle.

[GroobyKrissy]

I presume you mean Stonehenge Memorial, which I never had a clue existed until you mentioned it!

I've been to Stonehenge two (or three?) times because there is a lot more to the site than just the circle.

Oh geez. Yes, Stonehenge Memorial along the Columbia River.

Most people don't even know it exists. I think in all the time I've lived in OR, I've heard it come up in conversation once... which is why I don't think it is a logical jump to say this is a "one off" tourist attraction.

[EDIT: I do see I put "well-known tourist attraction" in my post... my bad. It should have read "little-known tourist attraction". I take responsibility for that and for any subsequent logical conclusions drawn from that statement.]

Thanks for the correction.

[Amy Gray]

Please.
Again, I must straighten out someone who cannot comprehend what they read.

A. I never said I got "pissed", nor did I approach the transaction as such.

B. The fact that people in front of me were clean, WHITE, and had ID's is immaterial to the point. (And, BTW... who would be sitting outside looking for change when they have a perfectly good CC to use? THINK before you talk.)

C. I sincerely doubt that people living in Oregon / Washington go to this particular tourist attraction more than once in a lifetime. Well, I'll just say what it is and you can make your own decision. It is more one of those "see it once, never see it again" things. It was the Stonehedge Memorial. It is so far out of the way and there is simply no reason to go there unless you're going specifically to see it... and certainly no reason to buy something at the store since it is overpriced. It was on my way back and I had never seen it... thus I stopped.

D. I specifically said that I could hear (and obviously see) all 5 of the transactions in front of me once I got to that point in line. Each person paid with a CC. And, no... none had open wallets or anything like that. That is just a stupid point. As is human nature, your eyes drift to where the motion is. Standing in line, you tend to follow what is happening at the register. I wasn't "anticipating" anything except to be treated like everyone else. I had a Coke and chips (about $3 transaction) VS. people in front of me with shirts, logo cups, food, etc. The person directly in front of me was about $60.00. You tell me why I was singled out....? You act like I was going around LOOKING to make a big scene. I am just NOT that person. This wasn't a "trap" or a "setup". I didn't film it for YouTube, I didn't report it to the local paper. Once I was out that door, done deal. I wrote a letter later. That is it.

E. In your desire to show off your brilliance, YOU have misunderstood the point of the post, which is to say, people INTERPRET things as racism differently, AND handle them differently. The whole point is that some people saw it as a racism (applauding when I walked out, and a couple leaving with me)... some people did NOT, or did not feel the need to speak against it if they did.

As far as ME handling the situation. I think it was racism on behalf of the counter person... "STORE POLICY". If it is "store policy" then you need to apply it to EVERYONE EQUALLY. Not just one person buying a Coke and a bag of chips. If she had even taken my card and looked at the back and THEN asked me for ID... I would have been OK. I have a bad habit of not signing any of my cards on the back so I would have understood that. She didn't even do that. She never handled my card at all. As I was handing it to her, she said, "I need to see your ID." Explain that...?

I VERY politely said that I had left my ID in the car but the transaction was only $3 vs the previous five transactions (all CC) which were all over $20.00. She still declined to run the transaction. You tell me if that is a reasonable course of action given the circumstances?

Look, you've made a lot of assumptions here.
You're assuming I was, "pissed". I wasn't.
You're assuming this is a major tourist attraction, with repeat business. It is not.
You're assuming the cashier did a lot of things she didn't do.
You're assuming that this elderly lady has perfect vision and can see and read an ID across a 3 foot counter.
You're assuming that some people paid with cash (no one that I saw did).

Your last point is immaterial here and has nothing to do with the actual way the transaction was handled.

Reread the post I made. The point is what some view or feel is racist some people will see as normal. The way some people handle racism is not the way others will handle it. Similarly, the way that some people handle other people who feel they must comment without fully understanding the entirety of a post.... well no... nothing similar. That is just plain stupid... as you have proven.

It's quite obviously your fault. Clearly the name on you credit card was not nearly Korean enough. Have you thought about changing your last name to Kim or yi? You have only yourself to blame when you don't meet people's expected stereotypes.

[GroobyKrissy]

It's quite obviously your fault. Clearly the name on you credit card was not nearly Korean enough. Have you thought about changing your last name to Kim or yi? You have only yourself to blame when you don't meet people's expected stereotypes.

Well, you have met my stereotype of you, making your usual cruel, heartless, snarky, and completely unwarranted post.

You should change your name to Gay Mary. I've made it easy for you... you don't even have to know any more of the alphabet to make the name change :).

[GroobyKrissy]

Awww... it looks like Amy has a protector and a Fan... who apparently has no sense of humor. Hmm... wonder who it is...???

How totally adorable :)

[VictoriaVeil]

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjm4n4umw1rn1xxfo1_400.gif

[Toadily]

Please.
Again, I must straighten out someone who cannot comprehend what they read.

A. I never said I got "pissed", nor did I approach the transaction as such.

B. The fact that people in front of me were clean, WHITE, and had ID's is immaterial to the point. (And, BTW... who would be sitting outside looking for change when they have a perfectly good CC to use? THINK before you talk.)

C. I sincerely doubt that people living in Oregon / Washington go to this particular tourist attraction more than once in a lifetime. Well, I'll just say what it is and you can make your own decision. It is more one of those "see it once, never see it again" things. It was the Stonehedge Memorial. It is so far out of the way and there is simply no reason to go there unless you're going specifically to see it... and certainly no reason to buy something at the store since it is overpriced. It was on my way back and I had never seen it... thus I stopped.

D. I specifically said that I could hear (and obviously see) all 5 of the transactions in front of me once I got to that point in line. Each person paid with a CC. And, no... none had open wallets or anything like that. That is just a stupid point. As is human nature, your eyes drift to where the motion is. Standing in line, you tend to follow what is happening at the register. I wasn't "anticipating" anything except to be treated like everyone else. I had a Coke and chips (about $3 transaction) VS. people in front of me with shirts, logo cups, food, etc. The person directly in front of me was about $60.00. You tell me why I was singled out....? You act like I was going around LOOKING to make a big scene. I am just NOT that person. This wasn't a "trap" or a "setup". I didn't film it for YouTube, I didn't report it to the local paper. Once I was out that door, done deal. I wrote a letter later. That is it.

E. In your desire to show off your brilliance, YOU have misunderstood the point of the post, which is to say, people INTERPRET things as racism differently, AND handle them differently. The whole point is that some people saw it as a racism (applauding when I walked out, and a couple leaving with me)... some people did NOT, or did not feel the need to speak against it if they did.

As far as ME handling the situation. I think it was racism on behalf of the counter person... "STORE POLICY". If it is "store policy" then you need to apply it to EVERYONE EQUALLY. Not just one person buying a Coke and a bag of chips. If she had even taken my card and looked at the back and THEN asked me for ID... I would have been OK. I have a bad habit of not signing any of my cards on the back so I would have understood that. She didn't even do that. She never handled my card at all. As I was handing it to her, she said, "I need to see your ID." Explain that...?

I VERY politely said that I had left my ID in the car but the transaction was only $3 vs the previous five transactions (all CC) which were all over $20.00. She still declined to run the transaction. You tell me if that is a reasonable course of action given the circumstances?

Look, you've made a lot of assumptions here.
You're assuming I was, "pissed". I wasn't.
You're assuming this is a major tourist attraction, with repeat business. It is not.
You're assuming the cashier did a lot of things she didn't do.
You're assuming that this elderly lady has perfect vision and can see and read an ID across a 3 foot counter.
You're assuming that some people paid with cash (no one that I saw did).

Your last point is immaterial here and has nothing to do with the actual way the transaction was handled.

Reread the post I made. The point is what some view or feel is racist some people will see as normal. The way some people handle racism is not the way others will handle it. Similarly, the way that some people handle other people who feel they must comment without fully understanding the entirety of a post.... well no... nothing similar. That is just plain stupid... as you have proven.

I was assuming you were "pissed" since you left and decided to share this overly racial sensitive story. I also never said that is how you approached the cashier in that way. I assumed you were pissed because you claimed other customers left when you were refused service, if you didn't cause a scene then how would they have known?

As for the credit card, exactly "think", you have from what you said, no id, unclean and most likely smell. could it be possible that you just picked that card up off the ground outside of the door? Think before you type.

So when you are in line you listen to everything the cashier does? Not really believable but it is possible, boring but possible.

In your desire to show off your brilliance, YOU have misunderstood the point of the post? Have you??

It is obvious you haven't, if you had you wouldn't have gotten all "panties on to tight".

[GroobyKrissy]

I was assuming you were "pissed" since you left and decided to share this overly racial sensitive story. I also never said that is how you approached the cashier in that way. I assumed you were pissed because you claimed other customers left when you were refused service, if you didn't cause a scene then how would they have known?

As for the credit card, exactly "think", you have from what you said, no id, unclean and most likely smell. could it be possible that you just picked that card up off the ground outside of the door? Think before you type.

So when you are in line you listen to everything the cashier does? Not really believable but it is possible, boring but possible.

In your desire to show off your brilliance, YOU have misunderstood the point of the post? Have you??

It is obvious you haven't, if you had you wouldn't have gotten all "panties on to tight".

God, you are irritating. Here... let me spell this out for you.

I'm not "claiming" anything. I was there. I have no reason to lie about this... the original post was a discussion starter to demonstrate that people SEE and INTERPRET racism differently. I actually stated as much if you cared to read and understand it. The ancedote doesn't portray me as a "hero" or "martyr" or anything of the sort. There is no motive to embellish or make up details. THAT IS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION: "What should I have done?" If more people had actually answered the question, you would have had a rainbow of answers... WHICH WAS MY POINT. RACISM IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.

The post was not about me... IT WAS ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN LINE. Do you not get that?

However... to answer your points:

So, you cannot make a statement without making a big scene and being "pissed"? If that is the way you handle everyday life, I am sorry for those who come in contact with you. Almost every day us adults are put into situations we don't like. Most of us either deal with them quietly or voice something politely and then let it drop. I guess you've never experienced that. It is not "making a scene" to calmly as a question, then state that you'll go somewhere else for pop and chips and walk out.

So, you are saying that when you're standing in a slow moving line, you don't glance ahead to see why? And, when you're a few people from the counter, you don't automatically watch what is going on there? What do you do, turn around and stare at everyone else? I rarely see anyone standing in a grocery line looking around at everyone else... usually they're facing forward waiting and watching for their turn, which is what I was doing. It is also how the people in back of me saw what was going on at the counter. Are you really so oblivious to what is going on around you when you're standing in line, waiting your turn?

You are logically incorrect about a timeline here. At no point did the cashier KNOW that I didn't have an ID until she asked and I replied. Therefore the fact that I didn't have it on me is UNRELATED to her asking for it. So, who needs to do the thinking before typing?

And, what about her response, "Store Policy"... without asking anyone else previously? Explain that please.

You're taking my words and stretching them to their worst possible interpretation. It was a DAY HIKE... not a trek through the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights. Sure, I was a bit messy and not dressed in clothing that people usually go out to tourist attractions to. I had on a T-shirt and some "worn" jeans with dusty sneakers. The T-shirt I used a few times throughout the day to wipe sweat away (Eastern OR/WA can get hot) so it was a bit dirty. Other than that, I was completely presentable. You make it sound like the others in line were holding their noses and staring at me because I looked like I just spent a couple of nights sleeping in a pile of trash. Again, incorrect assumptions on your part. I thought it was pretty clear that this was a DAY HIKE and I looked like I had been through a DAY HIKE... sunburnt, a bit dirty, and if you got close enough... probably a bit smelly. This doesn't translate into what you're saying it does.

So, all you have is, "...you claim". So that's great. Instead of putting on your big boy pants, you would rather just insinuate lying. Grow up.

[Toadily]

God, you are irritating. Here... let me spell this out for you.

I'm not "claiming" anything. I was there. I have no reason to lie about this... the original post was a discussion starter to demonstrate that people SEE and INTERPRET racism differently. I actually stated as much if you cared to read and understand it. The anecdote doesn't portray me as a "hero" or "martyr" or anything of the sort. There is no motive to embellish or make up details. THAT IS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION: "What should I have done?" If more people had actually answered the question, you would have had a rainbow of answers... WHICH WAS MY POINT. RACISM IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.

The post was not about me... IT WAS ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN LINE. Do you not get that?

However... to answer your points:

So, you cannot make a statement without making a big scene and being "pissed"? If that is the way you handle everyday life, I am sorry for those who come in contact with you. Almost every day us adults are put into situations we don't like. Most of us either deal with them quietly or voice something politely and then let it drop. I guess you've never experienced that. It is not "making a scene" to calmly as a question, then state that you'll go somewhere else for pop and chips and walk out.

So, you are saying that when you're standing in a slow moving line, you don't glance ahead to see why? And, when you're a few people from the counter, you don't automatically watch what is going on there? What do you do, turn around and stare at everyone else? I rarely see anyone standing in a grocery line looking around at everyone else... usually they're facing forward waiting and watching for their turn, which is what I was doing. It is also how the people in back of me saw what was going on at the counter. Are you really so oblivious to what is going on around you when you're standing in line, waiting your turn?

You are logically incorrect about a timeline here. At no point did the cashier KNOW that I didn't have an ID until she asked and I replied. Therefore the fact that I didn't have it on me is UNRELATED to her asking for it. So, who needs to do the thinking before typing?

And, what about her response, "Store Policy"... without asking anyone else previously? Explain that please.

You're taking my words and stretching them to their worst possible interpretation. It was a DAY HIKE... not a trek through the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights. Sure, I was a bit messy and not dressed in clothing that people usually go out to tourist attractions to. I had on a T-shirt and some "worn" jeans with dusty sneakers. The T-shirt I used a few times throughout the day to wipe sweat away (Eastern OR/WA can get hot) so it was a bit dirty. Other than that, I was completely presentable. You make it sound like the others in line were holding their noses and staring at me because I looked like I just spent a couple of nights sleeping in a pile of trash. Again, incorrect assumptions on your part. I thought it was pretty clear that this was a DAY HIKE and I looked like I had been through a DAY HIKE... sunburnt, a bit dirty, and if you got close enough... probably a bit smelly. This doesn't translate into what you're saying it does.

So, all you have is, "...you claim". So that's great. Instead of putting on your big boy pants, you would rather just insinuate lying. Grow up.

What should you have done, you want the answer but you are not going to like the answer.
GROW THE FUCK UP and go walk out to your car and get your license.
Like it? Bet that is what the WHITE guy in front of you would have done.

When people tell a story they seem to exaggerate on details to get others to see it their way. Like when they say the white guy, they say WHITE guy.

I didn't make it sound any different then you explained BTW You are the one that said you stunk, smelled and were filthy, not me, your words .

[GroobyKrissy]

What should you have done, you want the answer but you are not going to like the answer.
GROW THE FUCK UP and go walk out to your car and get your license.
Like it? Bet that is what the WHITE guy in front of you would have done.

When people tell a story they seem to exaggerate on details to get others to see it their way. Like when they say the white guy, they say WHITE guy.

I didn't make it sound any different then you explained BTW You are the one that said you stunk, smelled and were filthy, not me, your words .

I don't like or dislike opinions... that is why I actually ASKED for them in the post... did you really miss that?

"What should I have done?" - It was the very last question posed in the post BEFORE I gave an answer as to what I did.

You're kidding me, right? (I am assuming you are Caucasian.) If you were in a line, surrounded by Asians, with an Asian cashier and the five people in front of you were not asked for their ID's to make $20, $30, $50 dollar purchases, and then YOU are asked for an ID to make a $3 purchase...

You're telling me that you would calmly just say, "OK... I left it in the car, let me go get it." DOES ANYBODY WHO HAS READ THIS THREAD ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT? Just given your response to my posts, I call BS on that.

But basically, in your little mind, we should just let people treat us any which way and just take it like good, little sheeple...? OK. That makes sense.

As to the rest:
It is called "providing context". I described my appearance as it was because to not do so would be intellectually dishonest and provides context to the situation. I could have just as easily omitted it and let the story really make it sound like this person made a decision based solely on race (or as you put it, "exaggerate"). I put that in there because it is how it happened... which is the intellectually honest thing to do. Learn it. It is YOU who took the descriptions to the worst possible degree. Most people have been on a day hike before and probably understood what I meant by dirty, etc.

HONESTLY, if the cashier had said with a smile, "Oh, well, you look pretty dirty and I just want to be sure this is your card," I probably would have said, "Yeah, I just came off of hiking... sorry. OK, let me run out and get it". (BTW - Parking at this attraction, if anybody has been there is a way off - not just a matter of walking out the door to your car). "STORE POLICY" was her firm, unwavering reply. THAT is the problem I had and one which in all your brilliance, and apparent eagerness to defend this person, you have yet to explain.

[GroobyKrissy]

What should you have done, you want the answer but you are not going to like the answer.
GROW THE FUCK UP and go walk out to your car and get your license.
Like it? Bet that is what the WHITE guy in front of you would have done.

When people tell a story they seem to exaggerate on details to get others to see it their way. Like when they say the white guy, they say WHITE guy.

I didn't make it sound any different then you explained BTW You are the one that said you stunk, smelled and were filthy, not me, your words .

Where in the original post did I say "WHITE". I capitalize the first letter of every (go check) ethnic reference I use. So, where did I exaggerate?

[Amy Gray]

Well, you have met my stereotype of you, making your usual cruel, heartless, snarky, and completely unwarranted post.

See! There you go, I'm living up to my social stereotype of the gorgeous and extremely popular white girl who's a total narcicistic ice queen bitch. See, what I mean?


You should change your name to Gay Mary. I've made it easy for you... you don't even have to know any more of the alphabet to make the name change :).

puts her hair in pigtails and pops some bubblegum...
Like, there you go! You're like totally learning to be like brainy and stuff! OHMAHGAWWWD! I'm going to like make you my nerd pet now for sure! I'll even let you do my chemistry homework and carry my books! But like, we totally have to update your wardrobe if I'm going to be seen in public with you. It looks like you stole your clothes off of a like homeless bum or something. Haven't you ever heard fashion? LOL!!1!

[GroobyKrissy]

You are the one that said you stunk, smelled and were filthy, not me, your words .

If you're going to try and quote someone... do it correctly. Those were NOT my words.

I said, "...I was dirty, poorly dressed, and probably smelled terrible."

DIRTY does not equal FILTHY in degrees. (Would you rather use a dirty restroom or a filthy restroom?)

I will give you "smelled terrible" although in the CONTEXT, it was meant partially as a joking description, not as an actual, serious descriptor. Poor wording there on my part, but I honestly didn't really think someone would take that to the extent that you did, basically reeking like (this is how you do it correctly), "...the person sitting outside asking for change, smell like you haven't showered in days..."

So, you took "...dirty, poorly dressed, and probably smelled terrible" translated that into "...the person sitting outside asking for change, smell like you haven't showered in days..." and then you can say:

"I didn't make it sound any different then you explained BTW..."

???? Now who is more prone to embellishing their stories? You... or me?

[GroobyKrissy]

See! There you go, I'm living up to my social stereotype of the gorgeous and extremely popular white girl who's a total narcicistic ice queen bitch. See, what I mean?



puts her hair in pigtails and pops some bubblegum...
Like, there you go! Your like totally learning to be like brainy and stuff! OHMAHGAWWWD! I'm going you my nerd pet now for sure! I'll even let you do my chemistry homework and carry my books! But like, we totally have to update your wardrobe if I'm going to be seen in public with you. It looks like you stole your clothes off of a like homeless bum or something. Haven't you ever heard fashion? LOL!!1!

It is "you're, like, totally learning.." not "your".

Says the girl who thinks sitting in her bra is appropriate attire.

[Amy Gray]

It is "you're, like, totally learning.." not "your".

Says the girl who thinks sitting in her bra is appropriate attire.

Ugh, when you look this fabulous you don't have to worry about grammar and things, you just have Asians to do it for you... Like you!

[GroobyKrissy]

Ugh, when you look this fabulous you don't have to worry about grammar and things, you just have Asians to do it for you... Like you!

Brilliant! I think you should market the idea. Pet Asians - Making White Girls Smart - I volunteer my services, for a small cut of the action.

[Amy Gray]

Brilliant! I think you should market the idea. Pet Asians - Making White Girls Smart - I volunteer my services, for a small cut of the action.

I need to get one of those shoulder bags to carry you in. Also, you know you can have a piece of MY action anytime you like baby!

[GroobyKrissy]

I need to get one of those shoulder bags to carry you in. Also, you know you can have a piece of MY action anytime you like baby!

I've always wanted a chauffeur! Just please be sure not to expose me to bright light, get me wet, or feed me after midnight. Strange things happen.

One of these days I'm going to take you up on that so careful what you offer :).

[Amy Gray]

I've always wanted a chauffeur! Just please be sure not to expose me to bright light, get me wet, or feed me after midnight. Strange things happen.

One of these days I'm going to take you up on that so careful what you offer :).

I KNEW I recognized you from somewhere!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhg67Kw241rknvpso1_400.jpg

[GroobyKrissy]

I KNEW I recognized you from somewhere!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhg67Kw241rknvpso1_400.jpg

Fuckin' hot. That's my evening look. Is that offer for action still up? I'll trim my nails just for you and even pop a breath mint!

[Wendy Summers]

Can you two please fuck and get this over with...

[GroobyKrissy]

Can you two please fuck and get this over with...

Well, last I heard, the crabs in your twat were holding Amy captive. Otherwise, done deal.

[Wendy Summers]

Well, last I heard, the crabs in your twat were holding Amy captive. Otherwise, done deal.

I chose not to dignify such baseless accusations... besides I've been trying to get rid of her... but like herpes, Amy never seems to go away...

#inbefore'soyouhaveherpes'jokes

[GroobyKrissy]

I chose not to dignify such baseless accusations... besides I've been trying to get rid of her... but like herpes, Amy never seems to go away...

#inbefore'soyouhaveherpes'jokes

I think Amy is an affliction that most would be willing to have.

#saidmynicethingfortheday

[EZWind]

I was assuming ...yada yada yada

...well, ya got that part right anyways


Think before you type.
So when you are in line you listen to everything the cashier does? Not really believable but it is possible, boring but possible.

....if you had taken your own advice you would never have come up with this little gem of an inanity. What could possibly be your problem w/ believing that. You're in line by yourself...you're not "listening"...you overhear the transactions because you're within earshot. You observe them b/c you're standing in a line w/ nothing else to do. Looks to me like you got some personal issues to deal with, dude
Bottom line is this: Store policy is store policy...it should apply to every customer regardless of how light, dark, fragrant or snazzily dressed they are.
Get over it already

[GroobyKrissy]

...well, ya got that part right anyways



....if you had taken your own advice you would never have come up with this little gem of an inanity. What could possibly be your problem w/ believing that. You're in line by yourself...you're not "listening"...you overhear the transactions because you're within earshot. You observe them b/c you're standing in a line w/ nothing else to do. Looks to me like you got some personal issues to deal with, dude
Bottom line is this: Store policy is store policy...it should apply to every customer regardless of how light, dark, fragrant or snazzily dressed they are.
Get over it already

Ahhh... a voice of reason...

How refreshing... like an easy wind carrying a soothing... OK, I'm fresh out of whit and poetry. Thanks though.

[EZWind]

Ahhh... a voice of reason...

How refreshing... like an easy wind carrying a soothing... OK, I'm fresh out of whit and poetry. Thanks though.

Right on, Krissy...somehow I just couldn't leave a turd like that floating in the pool .
Think it may have been Abe Lincoln who said, "It's a wise man who remains silent and is thought a fool, rather than to speak out and remove all doubt."

[Amy Gray]

Ahhh... a voice of reason...

How refreshing... like an easy wind carrying a soothing... OK, I'm fresh out of whit and poetry. Thanks though.

Sounds like a perpetration H ad.

[GroobyKrissy]

Sounds like a perpetration H ad.

Please.Don't.Make.Me.Correct.Again.

Use.Edit.Button.Immediately.

[Amy Gray]

Please.Don't.Make.Me.Correct.Again.

Use.Edit.Button.Immediately.

Oh shush you, my computer is in a shop and I'm typing everything out on a iPhone with my big whitey fingers. Have some compassion.

[GroobyKrissy]

Oh shush you, my computer is in a shop and I'm typing everything out on a iPhone with my big whitey fingers. Have some compassion.

I told you not to whack off while standing over your computer. Cum in fans is one sure way to ruin a computer... gums them up something terrible.

Well, hopefully for my sanity your computer will be out of the shop (which I'm guessing is a euphemism for Wendy's arse?) soon. I can't bear to see you like this. You're better than this.

[Toadily]

I don't like or dislike opinions... that is why I actually ASKED for them in the post... did you really miss that?

"What should I have done?" - It was the very last question posed in the post BEFORE I gave an answer as to what I did.

You're kidding me, right? (I am assuming you are Caucasian.) If you were in a line, surrounded by Asians, with an Asian cashier and the five people in front of you were not asked for their ID's to make $20, $30, $50 dollar purchases, and then YOU are asked for an ID to make a $3 purchase...

You're telling me that you would calmly just say, "OK... I left it in the car, let me go get it." DOES ANYBODY WHO HAS READ THIS THREAD ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT? Just given your response to my posts, I call BS on that.

But basically, in your little mind, we should just let people treat us any which way and just take it like good, little sheeple...? OK. That makes sense.

As to the rest:
It is called "providing context". I described my appearance as it was because to not do so would be intellectually dishonest and provides context to the situation. I could have just as easily omitted it and let the story really make it sound like this person made a decision based solely on race (or as you put it, "exaggerate"). I put that in there because it is how it happened... which is the intellectually honest thing to do. Learn it. It is YOU who took the descriptions to the worst possible degree. Most people have been on a day hike before and probably understood what I meant by dirty, etc.

HONESTLY, if the cashier had said with a smile, "Oh, well, you look pretty dirty and I just want to be sure this is your card," I probably would have said, "Yeah, I just came off of hiking... sorry. OK, let me run out and get it". (BTW - Parking at this attraction, if anybody has been there is a way off - not just a matter of walking out the door to your car). "STORE POLICY" was her firm, unwavering reply. THAT is the problem I had and one which in all your brilliance, and apparent eagerness to defend this person, you have yet to explain.

Guess you didn't enjoy that drink then did you, I would have.

Yes people do that, when asked for the ID get one.

BTW since when did Asians have it so tough? Did I miss something?

One more thing, what does the credit card say for your name? Robert? That may be a problem.

[Amy Gray]

I told you not to whack off while standing over your computer. Cum in fans is one sure way to ruin a computer... gums them up something terrible.

Well, hopefully for my sanity your computer will be out of the shop (which I'm guessing is a euphemism for Wendy's arse?) soon. I can't bear to see you like this. You're better than this.

The sad part is that it actually IS the fans that failed. :(

[Wendy Summers]

I told you not to whack off while standing over your computer. Cum in fans is one sure way to ruin a computer... gums them up something terrible.

Well, hopefully for my sanity your computer will be out of the shop (which I'm guessing is a euphemism for Wendy's arse?) soon. I can't bear to see you like this. You're better than this.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6lzmcyGLc1r6qtdro1_400.gif

[Amy Gray]

BTW since when did Asians have it so tough? Did I miss something?

Probabely around the time we started locking them in internment camps?

[Wendy Summers]

Probabely around the time we started locking them in internment camps?

Sadly it predates that :(

http://thesecondpromise.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/chinesemust-go2.jpg

[GroobyKrissy]

Guess you didn't enjoy that drink then did you, I would have.

Yes people do that, when asked for the ID get one.

BTW since when did Asians have it so tough? Did I miss something?

One more thing, what does the credit card say for your name? Robert? That may be a problem.

LoL... So, this is what you resort to. Insults. WAAAAHHHHH! If you think you're hurting my feelings... think again. There is (literally) nothing you could possibly say that I haven't actually heard before.

Like most idiots when confronted with their own stupidity, you haven't honestly addressed any of the questions I asked you... yet you continue to make up your own questions to some imagined something I said. But for benefit of the doubt, I'll ask again:

How can it not be interpreted as racist to process five transactions as described, pick me out, then answer "Store Policy" ?

Can you HONESTLY (at this point I doubt you have that capacity) say that you would have felt differently?

Tell me... where did I say that "Asians have it [so] tough?" or do ANY complaining? QUOTE IT BACK TO ME. You can't because I never said it.

You see, the problem with people like you is that you have this incorrect assumption that you should be able to just say whatever the hell you want and not have to back it up... not have to provide an explanation... not have to answer the questions posed back to you. You just twist words, ask your own questions (which I answered), and then become childish when someone challenges you.

You've been called out as an idiot and have not answered the charge. I therefore deem you as such. GROW THE FUCK UP. Plain enough for you?

[Amy Gray]

Sadly it predates that :(

http://thesecondpromise.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/chinesemust-go2.jpg

And there was that whole forced labor and railroad thing.

[GroobyKrissy]

The sad part is that it actually IS the fans that failed. :(

I am a little abashed that with your smarts you can't change a fan... :( Please say something ultra witty so I can rub off that small tarnish.

[GroobyKrissy]

Guess you didn't enjoy that drink then did you, I would have.

Yes people do that, when asked for the ID get one.

BTW since when did Asians have it so tough? Did I miss something?

One more thing, what does the credit card say for your name? Robert? That may be a problem.

BTW Genius. There are these things called cars... which you can drive on these things called roads... which often lead to stores... which often contain drinks...

I went a few miles down the road, jumped out, got the same drink and same chips. Paid for it with the same CC. Cashier didn't even blink twice. Guess they had a more lenient "Store Policy".

[Amy Gray]

I am a little abashed that with your smarts you can't change a fan... :( Please say something ultra witty so I can rub off that small tarnish.

Of course I can replace the fan, what I can't do is void the warranty on a $1,200 slate. Besides, the video card suffered heat damage and since it's an integrated part of the motherboard it means I'd basically have to replace the computer if it wasn't still covered under the extended warranty. Sea! I gots teh smartz!

[GroobyKrissy]

Of course I can replace the fan, what I can't do is void the warranty on a $1,200 slate. Besides, the video card suffered heat damage and since it's an integrated part of the motherboard it means I'd basically have to replace the computer if it wasn't still covered under the extended warranty. Sea! I gots teh smartz!

Warranty Shmarranty. Live dangerously.

However, I do accept your explanation and restore you to the unblemished vision I once had. Now I must go crank one out to the picture of you bending over your computer. Sweet dreams tonight!

[Amy Gray]

However, I do accept your explanation and restore you to the unblemished vision I once had. Now I must go crank one out to the picture of you bending over your computer. Sweet dreams tonight!

Oh, praise be. I don't know what I'd ever do if Krissy's opinion of me fell. :nervous:

[dderek123]

If you can't take the drama, if you can't stand up for stuff and if you take offence at one or two idiots, then you probably shouldn't participate in an online forum.


:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:

[Toadily]

BTW Genius. There are these things called cars... which you can drive on these things called roads... which often lead to stores... which often contain drinks...

I went a few miles down the road, jumped out, got the same drink and same chips. Paid for it with the same CC. Cashier didn't even blink twice. Guess they had a more lenient "Store Policy".

Brought your ID with you that time.

Didn't answer my question, what name was on the CC?

[robertlouis]

Brought your ID with you that time.

Didn't answer my question, what name was on the CC?



You've dug yourself a seriously deep hole here.

My advice would be to stop digging before you get to China, or maybe even Korea. :whistle:

Krissy is more than capable of looking after herself, but I'm curious to know if your beef is to make out that the cashier somehow wasn't being racist or if you're challenging Krissy's account of the events. Or maybe it's both. Or neither.

Oh fuck it, I've lost the will to live. :(

[Amy Gray]

Didn't answer my question, what name was on the CC?

Do you seriously expect her to answer that?

[GroobyKrissy]

Brought your ID with you that time.

Didn't answer my question, what name was on the CC?

No, I didn't bring my ID in that time... and the cashier didn't ask.

Why in the world is the name on the card relevant at all?

Answer: It isn't.

Unless, of course, you believe that only White people have White-people-sounding-names... whatever the hell that means.

In which case, you have some major, major problems with how you view the world.

So again, I have answered your question. WILL YOU ANSWER ANY OF MINE? Yeah... didn't think so. Grow a pair or STFU. You're now just wasting air bloviating.

[GroobyKrissy]

Let me write your stupid answer for you.

"The name is relevant because if you don't look like the person on the card, that is why she asked."

1. Take your card out of your wallet. Now handle it like you're giving it to somebody across a counter. Chances are your thumb hides part of the name. Chances are also high that standing straight up, across an approximately 3' counter, you cannot distinguish the name from the card. This is a security feature of most CC's these days to make fraud harder... i.e. - a person cannot stand with a camera and take a picture of your card to read later. The background is the same color as the lettering. 3 of the four cards I have (business debit, personal debit, and 2 CC's) are designed this way.

2. Even if she miraculously was able to read the name, irrelevant anyway. Explain away the "Store Policy" answer and her handling of the previous transactions. I've given you several opportunities now. You haven't. You can't.

You're grasping at straws because your argument on behalf of this individual is so incredibly weak. Keep grasping... I'm curious as to what your next spin will be. Although, I could probably write that for you as well.

[Toadily]

No, I didn't bring my ID in that time... and the cashier didn't ask.

Why in the world is the name on the card relevant at all?

Answer: It isn't.

Unless, of course, you believe that only White people have White-people-sounding-names... whatever the hell that means.

In which case, you have some major, major problems with how you view the world.

So again, I have answered your question. WILL YOU ANSWER ANY OF MINE? Yeah... didn't think so. Grow a pair or STFU. You're now just wasting air bloviating.

First off, not the smartest thing in the world NOT to bring you id with you, but I never accused you of that.

What does the name mean? Did you really just say that? Well I guess you did I had to re-read it. Think about it. :ignore:

Is it Robert, Jeff, Thomas, Bruce? What name is on the card.

[GroobyKrissy]

First off, not the smartest thing in the world NOT to bring you id with you, but I never accused you of that.

What does the name mean? Did you really just say that? Well I guess you did I had to re-read it. Think about it. :ignore:

Is it Robert, Jeff, Thomas, Bruce? What name is on the card.

Oh.My.God.

You really are an idiot. To this point, I was just kind of using the word to make a point. Now it is pretty clear that you really are. I suppose I should offer some sort of apology for being so tough on the mentally challenged. So, I apologize. I sincerely thought you were operating with a somewhat full mental capacity. I was wrong.

OK, since you have ceased ANY and ALL attempts at having an actual dialogue, I'm done with you.

Hooray for you. In your little mind, you're going to take this as a victory. Do your dance in your Underoos in the basement in which you reside... careful though, Cheeto dust can be slippery and lord knows, you cannot afford to lose any more brain cells! Know though, that pretty much any person with a 1/16 of a brain understands that you're a loser and you've made a losing argument throughout this entire thread.

But, you've outdone yourself with these last few posts. Congratulations. You are now, truly, without any reservations... an idiot, in the truest sense of the word.

[robertlouis]

Oh.My.God.

You really are an idiot. To this point, I was just kind of using the word to make a point. Now it is pretty clear that you really are. I suppose I should offer some sort of apology for being so tough on the mentally challenged. So, I apologize. I sincerely thought you were operating with a somewhat full mental capacity. I was wrong.

OK, since you have ceased ANY and ALL attempts at having an actual dialogue, I'm done with you.

Hooray for you. In your little mind, you're going to take this as a victory. Do your dance in your Underoos in the basement in which you reside... careful though, Cheeto dust can be slippery and lord knows, you cannot afford to lose any more brain cells! Know though, that pretty much any person with a 1/16 of a brain understands that you're a loser and you've made a losing argument throughout this entire thread.

But, you've outdone yourself with these last few posts. Congratulations. You are now, truly, without any reservations... an idiot, in the truest sense of the word.



Come on Krissy, be generous. Lend him a shovel. He's broken the other one.

[Amy Gray]

Oh.My.God.

You really are an idiot. To this point, I was just kind of using the word to make a point. Now it is pretty clear that you really are. I suppose I should offer some sort of apology for being so tough on the mentally challenged. So, I apologize. I sincerely thought you were operating with a somewhat full mental capacity. I was wrong.

OK, since you have ceased ANY and ALL attempts at having an actual dialogue, I'm done with you.

Hooray for you. In your little mind, you're going to take this as a victory. Do your dance in your Underoos in the basement in which you reside... careful though, Cheeto dust can be slippery and lord knows, you cannot afford to lose any more brain cells! Know though, that pretty much any person with a 1/16 of a brain understands that you're a loser and you've made a losing argument throughout this entire thread.

But, you've outdone yourself with these last few posts. Congratulations. You are now, truly, without any reservations... an idiot, in the truest sense of the word.

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[robertlouis]

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House (Hugh Laurie) lives in the next village to me. I'm trying to find a way to get him to do a gig locally. For those who aren't already aware, he's a very capable and dedicated blues musician, great on both guitar and piano.

Apologies for the brief hijack. Back to you, ladies.


http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYnJrluzbQY

[Amy Gray]

Fuckin' hot. That's my evening look. Is that offer for action still up? I'll trim my nails just for you and even pop a breath mint!

How did I miss THIS! Tell you what, you bring the mashmellow fluff and I'll bring the clown costume and live eel. We'll make a night of it! :fuckin:

[robertlouis]

How did I miss THIS! Tell you what, you bring the mashmellow fluff and I'll bring the clown costume and live eel. We'll make a night of it! :fuckin:

I'm happy to watch as long as I can have the flying helmet and the egg whisk...

[GroobyKrissy]

how did i miss this! Tell you what, you bring the mashmellow fluff and i'll bring the clown costume and live eel. We'll make a night of it! :fuckin:

it is on!

[TSMichelleAustin]

Sad to see her go but this whole bs about black tgirls being ugly is stupid... I do affiliate stuff and promote a lot of Black tgirls and you know what, the ones that peep think are ugly are what makes me money! So people like it, and will keep supplying that to the consumer! Franklin is a mess, hes full of shit and doesnt know a damn thing about this industry! Its sad that he is black! LOL

But Steven is right if you cant stand up for yourself or deal with criticism then this isnt the biz for you. Trust me I know that first hand! Being too fat, or too many tats, or not pretty, etc. I have heard it all! Doesnt help that companies are the same way!

[robertlouis]

Sad to see her go but this whole bs about black tgirls being ugly is stupid... I do affiliate stuff and promote a lot of Black tgirls and you know what, the ones that peep think are ugly are what makes me money! So people like it, and will keep supplying that to the consumer! Franklin is a mess, hes full of shit and doesnt know a damn thing about this industry! Its sad that he is black! LOL

But Steven is right if you cant stand up for yourself or deal with criticism then this isnt the biz for you. Trust me I know that first hand! Being too fat, or too many tats, or not pretty, etc. I have heard it all! Doesnt help that companies are the same way!



You are just gloriously yourself Michelle. Please don't change!

[TSMichelleAustin]

You are just gloriously yourself Michelle. Please don't change!

Oh I am not changing! Havent in years! I am just me!

[GroobyKrissy]

Sad to see her go but this whole bs about black tgirls being ugly is stupid... I do affiliate stuff and promote a lot of Black tgirls and you know what, the ones that peep think are ugly are what makes me money! So people like it, and will keep supplying that to the consumer! Franklin is a mess, hes full of shit and doesnt know a damn thing about this industry! Its sad that he is black! LOL

But Steven is right if you cant stand up for yourself or deal with criticism then this isnt the biz for you. Trust me I know that first hand! Being too fat, or too many tats, or not pretty, etc. I have heard it all! Doesn't help that companies are the same way!

While I do agree with the overall sentiment, I do also think that true, abject racism impacts people far more permanently than you realize, unless you've experienced it yourself. I'm not saying that Caucasians don't experience it, but even then, I think it is far different than when it is experienced by a minority.

The incident I mentioned here bothered me for weeks afterwards (Why? What did I do? Why did this person act this way? What is my worth? etc. etc.), and I'm typically the type to bounce back pretty quickly from downers. So, I can understand on a forum, where racism is perceived (rightly or wrongly), why it can lead to an, "I'm leaving" type thread. I don't really think that is the way to handle things but I understand and sympathize with the sentiment for sure.

Personally, I think that the "deal with criticism" line is a pretty easy out for people. Criticism, by and large, can be addressed... and corrected. Your race cannot be "corrected". It is this "core" element of racism that makes it so insidious and hurtful, and unlike most any other "criticism" that can be leveled against a person.

[GroobyKrissy]

How did I miss THIS! Tell you what, you bring the mashmellow fluff and I'll bring the clown costume and live eel. We'll make a night of it! :fuckin:

Waaaaiiiittttt a minute...

I just realized a "clown costume" was mentioned. Now I'm having second thoughts. Even for you Amy, that may be just a little too much weirdness for me.

[TSPornFan]

Sad to see her go but this whole bs about black tgirls being ugly is stupid... I do affiliate stuff and promote a lot of Black tgirls and you know what, the ones that peep think are ugly are what makes me money! So people like it, and will keep supplying that to the consumer! Franklin is a mess, hes full of shit and doesnt know a damn thing about this industry! Its sad that he is black! LOL

But Steven is right if you cant stand up for yourself or deal with criticism then this isnt the biz for you. Trust me I know that first hand! Being too fat, or too many tats, or not pretty, etc. I have heard it all! Doesnt help that companies are the same way!

Again! Nobody said that all black tgirls are ugly. Many forum members have said over the years that some of the black models on the said site are ugly. However, they recognized many popular and attractive models like Amber. They like black tgirls and want to see more attractive girls like Amber.

Let's be real. There are unattractive(by society's standards) people from all races.

How is it sad that I am black? Being black doesn't mean that I have to like black women sexually. People are free to be sexually attracted to anyone the like.

Nobody questions a white man preferring black women. However, everyone questions a black man who prefers white women. It's a crappy double standard in our society. Black men are criticized by their peers for liking white women. White women are questioned by their peers for liking black men.

Nobody was questioning the white male members about their taste in black women. However, everyone just had to jump on me the black guy who likes white women.

[TSMichelleAustin]

Again! Nobody said that all black tgirls are ugly. Many forum members have said over the years that some of the black models on the said site are ugly. However, they recognized many popular and attractive models like Amber. They like black tgirls and want to see more attractive girls like Amber.

Let's be real. There are unattractive(by society's standards) people from all races.

How is it sad that I am black? Being black doesn't mean that I have to like black women sexually. People are free to be sexually attracted to anyone the like.

Nobody questions a white man preferring black women. However, everyone questions a black man who prefers white women. It's a crappy double standard in our society. Black men are criticized by their peers for liking white women. White women are questioned by their peers for liking black men.

Nobody was questioning the white male members about their taste in black women. However, everyone just had to jump on me the black guy who likes white women.

What I am telling you is that I can see what sets I post up affliate wise and what makes money! I never make money on pretty black tgirls unless they are BBW... and also made some money on Nody Nodia but as far as every so calle ugly, cd looking black tgirl i post is where I make the money affiliate wise. So I am telling you from stand point, it makes these companies money, so why stop producing girls like that?

[TSPornFan]

What I am telling you is that I can see what sets I post up affliate wise and what makes money! I never make money on pretty black tgirls unless they are BBW... and also made some money on Nody Nodia but as far as every so calle ugly, cd looking black tgirl i post is where I make the money affiliate wise. So I am telling you from stand point, it makes these companies money, so why stop producing girls like that?

Nobody in the topic said the so called ugly girls didn't make you or Grooby money. People are questioning why there aren't more girls like Nody and Amber on the site. The entire topic would have never gone that far if someone said the the more CD looking black tgirl is more popular with the buyers.

[TSMichelleAustin]

Nobody in the topic said the so called ugly girls didn't make you or Grooby money. People are questioning why there aren't more girls like Nody and Amber on the site. The entire topic would have never gone that far if someone said the the more CD looking black tgirl is more popular with the buyers.

There are plenty pretty black tgirls... I also think there are many who just dont want to do porn. Its all in who's out there too. But someone like Nody was shot yrs ago not looking how she looks now too! So girls do and change in process.

[Toadily]

Oh.My.God.

You really are an idiot. To this point, I was just kind of using the word to make a point. Now it is pretty clear that you really are. I suppose I should offer some sort of apology for being so tough on the mentally challenged. So, I apologize. I sincerely thought you were operating with a somewhat full mental capacity. I was wrong.

OK, since you have ceased ANY and ALL attempts at having an actual dialogue, I'm done with you.

Hooray for you. In your little mind, you're going to take this as a victory. Do your dance in your Underoos in the basement in which you reside... careful though, Cheeto dust can be slippery and lord knows, you cannot afford to lose any more brain cells! Know though, that pretty much any person with a 1/16 of a brain understands that you're a loser and you've made a losing argument throughout this entire thread.

But, you've outdone yourself with these last few posts. Congratulations. You are now, truly, without any reservations... an idiot, in the truest sense of the word.

The wrong point, the name is there for a reason.

No victory, no points given for slapping a kid from the short bus. :whistle:

Just because a clerk asks for your ID does not mean they are a racist, so take your overly racially sensitive ass away. We all do understand how bad you have it, coming from a wealthy asian family and all.

Let me ask you this, who is more racist to you, a white person or a Japanese person?

BTW I don't do cheetos, more of a peanut butter and crackers kind of guy.:fu:

[marinevirgin]

ok, well I have not read every post on here about this subject and I do not like racism when it is real, but however people deserve to have their freedom of speech. That being said, it is the same thing as taunting and bullying when it is happening. If you take offense to it, that gives it more power, and gives the bully more power. Now the word nigger, should not be offensive it is only peoples perspective that makes it offensive. The word Nigger which just refers to black people as a noun, from spanish and Portuguese languages, but they also got it from the latin for black which is niger, Which just stands for the color black, and is not a racist term in its own right, calling a black person a nigger is the same as calling a white person white. That being said, people abuse these words and are racist with them, I do not condone that, but you also are only giving them power by being offended by it, just laugh at them next time, cause all they are really calling you is black skinned

[GroobySteven]

ok, well I have not read every post on here about this subject and I do not like racism when it is real, but however people deserve to have their freedom of speech. That being said, it is the same thing as taunting and bullying when it is happening. If you take offense to it, that gives it more power, and gives the bully more power. Now the word nigger, should not be offensive it is only peoples perspective that makes it offensive. The word Nigger which just refers to black people as a noun, from spanish and Portuguese languages, but they also got it from the latin for black which is niger, Which just stands for the color black, and is not a racist term in its own right, calling a black person a nigger is the same as calling a white person white. That being said, people abuse these words and are racist with them, I do not condone that, but you also are only giving them power by being offended by it, just laugh at them next time, cause all they are really calling you is black skinned

Yadda yadda yadda Lenny Bruce. Probably should stay around and read some post and get the feel of the place before jumping in on this topic.