im so done with this racist ass forum

[amberskyi]

since im the only black girl here and its apparently ok for people to say how unattractive we are im just going to leave.
plus i start school soon and need to be focusing on that.for all those who are cool wish me luck :)
everyone else can choke on a dick

[Ben in LA]

Sorry to see you go...I feel where you're coming from... :(

Good luck with your studies!

[JenniferParisHusband]

since im the only black girl here and its apparently ok for people to say how unattractive we are im just going to leave.
plus i start school soon and need to be focusing on that.for all those who are cool wish me luck :)
everyone else can choke on a dick

I thought you were pretty. But I'm sorry to hear others didn't think so. Wish you would change your mind, as I've always liked your posts. But I do understand not wanting to be someplace you don't feel wanted. Best of luck to you.

[TSCURIOUS]

I'd love to choke on your dick! I don't care what color you are BTW.
You're HOT!!!

[dakota87]

since im the only black girl here and its apparently ok for people to say how unattractive we are im just going to leave.
plus i start school soon and need to be focusing on that.for all those who are cool wish me luck :)
everyone else can choke on a dick

wtf? You're one of the hottest, if not THE hottest, girls on here.

[fivekatz]

Sorry to hear you won't be posting, good luck with your studies and for the record you are one hot girl!

[runningdownthatdream]

this is odd.....the negative comments in that other thread were made by 3 posters that are black. And actually I don't think they're implying black women aren't attractive, rather I think they're questioning (in an abstract way) why porn sites use so many unattractive black tgirls or why unattractive black girls expect black men to want them solely coz they're black. Since attractiveness is subjective, surely it's their prerogative to whine if they want to?

[Johnny.Blaze]

since im the only black girl here and its apparently ok for people to say how unattractive we are im just going to leave.
plus i start school soon and need to be focusing on that.for all those who are cool wish me luck :)
everyone else can choke on a dick

In no way are you unattractive Amber. Whoever thinks otherwise is obviously blind. A beautiful face, sweet smile, and a killer booty. If anyone disagrees, then here's to ya :fu:

[NightmareX0666]

Wow and I just got done posting in the Amber's set how beautiful you are. I really do hope you reconsider or at least pop in once in awhile to update us on how you are doing. Good luck with school and you will be missed!

[moonunit7]

If it makes you feel any better, I think you're gorgeous and I don't think you should leave the forum. It's ok if some people aren't attracted to you. That's just the way it is and you should try not to let it bother you.
And as far as you being the only black TG here, that's all the more reason for you to stick around.

[FreddieGomez]

I don't ever remember anyone saying you weren't attractive.?

But sad to see you go?

I've been too busy to post here any way.

[Quiet Reflections]

since im the only black girl here and its apparently ok for people to say how unattractive we are im just going to leave.
plus i start school soon and need to be focusing on that.for all those who are cool wish me luck :)
everyone else can choke on a dick
Good luck, work hard and do your best.

[nysprod]

Hey, most people don't like me and I'm still here, if that's any consolation...

[flabbybody]

since im the only black girl here and its apparently ok for people to say how unattractive we are im just going to leave.
plus i start school soon and need to be focusing on that.for all those who are cool wish me luck :)
everyone else can choke on a dick
Amber, you're smart, witty, and sexy. I value you as a member of HA but the forum drama of an exit thread has a very short shelf life. hope you're just momentarily pissed

[my my my!]

Amber I hope you come back, as I truly value what you have to say. :(

[mikejones]

Amber your hot. I enjoy your pics and posts.

[fred41]

Enjoy school...make the most of it..and make it fun.

Poke your head in here once in a while to say hi.
It's nice having you here -it really is...but everyone needs to step away on occasion.
Good Luck kiddo!

[TSPornFan]

Goodbye! I am so glad that you're gone! Nobody in the thread said that all black women are unattractive. Many members including myself questioned why there are so many unattractive black t-girls being shot in porn. We recongized that there are a few attractive ones who are shot like yourself, Nody Nadia, Jenna Bell, Jessica Host, etc. However, the vast majority of black t-girls who are shot are in very early stages or are just crossdressers.

In other words we want to see more pretty black tgirls like yourself instead of the girls who we've been getting.

[blkmamba]

Good luck with school Amber

[BellaBellucci]

Luck! :)

~BB~

[TSPornFan]

everyone else can choke on a dick

That's your job! :whistle:

[robertlouis]

Amber, you're smart, witty, and sexy. I value you as a member of HA but the forum drama of an exit thread has a very short shelf life. hope you're just momentarily pissed

:iagree: Flabby, as always, puts it very well and I share his hopes too.



Amber, you're an asset to this forum, and I'm not talking about looks.

You talk straight common sense, never lose control in an argument and you're also as sharp as a whip.

You also know when to call out the guys who undervalue or denigrate the girls whether it's done maliciously or carelessly. And that kind of feedback is taken much more seriously if it comes from one of the girls. I'll miss you for lots of things, but that most of all.

So I hope you'll stay, or at least drop in from time to time, but right now, you've got school to contend with and that needs to be your primary focus.

Just let me wish you the very best of luck in your studies. I'm sure you'll do well.

[Toadily]

What day do you think she will be back?
I am saying tuesday at 10:19 am EST

[Idt20082008"]

since im the only black girl here and its apparently ok for people to say how unattractive we are im just going to leave.
plus i start school soon and need to be focusing on that.for all those who are cool wish me luck :)
everyone else can choke on a dick

Sorry to see you go Amber, I always thought you are sexy as hell and intelligent as well - and I think the few definitely don't speak for the majority of us on this forum

[robertlouis]

What day do you think she will be back?
I am saying tuesday at 10:19 am EST

Not a smart move. Amber doesn't usually make idle threats.

[Ananke]

Sorry to see you go.
What's the colour to do with anything???? You are stunning as well as smart, which is more than can be said for a lot of others...
Wish you all the luck in the world and keep in touch once in a while if possible.:kiss:

[bulldog]

Unfortunately I learned a long time ago you gotta have thick skin to hang around forums such as HA, I have seen everything from before the Vicki days to now. There will always be internet warriors who have more to say than needed, or who will force their unnecessary knowledge or opinions upon others. You make the choice on whether you give them power. Personally.....I just laugh in their face and show them the finger.

Hope you come back sometime, if only for a visit. Good luck with your studies, I too will be starting soon, 2 more semesters!

[Prospero]

Probably too late to say this but i thought your contributions here were intelligent and often very to the point. AND you are a beautiful woman Amber. Very sad to see you go. Please reconsider. We try to slap the racists down....

[Rusty Eldora]

Oh, Won't you stay just a little bit longer, please stay ...

Amber, you are stunningly attractive, quite smart, and you can put us in line like a pro.

Yes, you've called me a time or too and I think you were right both times.

I would really love to see you stay around but most importantly I would like to know you are on the right life path for you, wherever that leads.

[BLKGSXR]

I knew it was Racist when they got rid of the pink background you basterds you!!!!

[MacShreach]

Sorry to hear that Amber. I certainly think you are both physically and intellectually very attractive indeed. Anyway, school is a good idea.

[GroobySteven]

Zzzzzz ... exit thread.

[trish]

Good luck in school, Amber.

[chamber7]

Your beautiful. Good Luck with your studies.

[Rabbiteyes]

Why get upset about some racist posts...when there are tons of pretty anti-trans posts around these forums? :P From "all trans have aids!" to "all trans are sex workers" to just straight out random "shemale" fantasy threads and trolling? :P

You gotta just be able to ignore stupid people sometimes :P

[dderek123]

Good luck at school Amber! You're really beautiful and I'm sure this will be another interesting chapter to your life.

tip: I've found the Pomodoro timer has helped me to not get too distracted on the internet. It's a free extension available for chrome or firefox.

[dderek123]

Why get upset about some racist posts...when there are tons of pretty anti-trans posts around these forums? :P From "all trans have aids!" to "all trans are sex workers" to just straight out random "shemale" fantasy threads and trolling? :P

You gotta just be able to ignore stupid people sometimes :P

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:

[nysprod]

That's your job! :whistle:

Franklyn, you are an unmitigated moron. You're an utter, complete loser, a virgin fanboi, and a waste of server space...you're pathetic, lame, a joke as a person, a failure at everything...unsocial, annoying and a punk.

And I'm sure you've heard these exact comments many times before.

You twerp.

[TSPornFan]

Franklyn, you are an unmitigated moron. You're an utter, complete loser, a virgin fanboi, and a waste of server space...you're pathetic, lame, a joke as a person, a failure at everything...unsocial, annoying and a punk.

And I'm sure you've heard these exact comments many times before.

You twerp.

I'm not going to take this thread seriously. Nobody was racist towards Amber. However, it was a sensitive topic. Go read the thread. Nobody said that all black women are unattractive. They were saying that they want more attractive ladies like Amber on the site instead of some of the other models appearing on the site.

Ironically their argument was pretty much stating give girls like Amber more work on the site instead of the questionable models appearing on the site.

[betts]

Franklyn, you are an unmitigated moron. You're an utter, complete loser, a virgin fanboi, and a waste of server space...you're pathetic, lame, a joke as a person, a failure at everything...unsocial, annoying and a punk.



http://images.andyouknowthis.net/fullRetard.jpg

[fivekatz]

Whether someone is racist directly to another, in this case Amber, you don't think comments about African-American's would be offensive to virtually all African-Americans?

If you believe that you are naive or if you are just saying it to cover and extend that conversation in the end you just don't get what it is to an "other" IMHO. Empathy in my view is the greatest gift one can have.

[Jericho]

Franklyn, you are an unmitigated moron. You're an utter, complete loser, a virgin fanboi, and a waste of server space...you're pathetic, lame, a joke as a person, a failure at everything...unsocial, annoying and a punk.

And I'm sure you've heard these exact comments many times before.

You twerp.


Franklyn may talk out of his arse sometimes, and he does raise sensitive issues, but that's uncalled for (imo).
You could choose not to be offended! :shrug

[GroobySteven]

Ironically their argument was pretty much stating give girls like Amber more work on the site instead of the questionable models appearing on the site.

Keep at it Franklin - you're one comment away from a kick.

[sabre666]

Don't hold back Prod, let us know how you really feel! LoL
:dead:

[nysprod]

I'm not going to take this thread seriously. Nobody was racist towards Amber. However, it was a sensitive topic. Go read the thread. Nobody said that all black women are unattractive. They were saying that they want more attractive ladies like Amber on the site instead of some of the other models appearing on the site.

Ironically their argument was pretty much stating give girls like Amber more work on the site instead of the questionable models appearing on the site.

IMO only very experienced performers/producers/directors should ever criticize work, unless someone comes on here and specifically asks for input. Funny thing though, I've never seen anyone from inside the industry criticize.

As far as the rest of us goes, if you see something you like, great...if you don't like the work you see, say nothing.

The whole criticism thing is pointless to begin with, because nothing in porn is ever 100% anyway.



Don't hold back Prod, let us know how you really feel! LoL
:dead:

Lol...damn annoying!

[Jericho]

So, did Amber leave because she's going to skool or because this is a racist forum?
Are those mutually exclusive or just convenient?
Just askin'

[nysprod]

So, did Amber leave because she's going to skool or because this is a racist forum?
Are those mutually exclusive or just convenient?
Just askin'

The twerp virgin fanboi Franklyn was the last straw.

[Jericho]

The twerp virgin fanboi Franklyn was the last straw.


So, it was convenient then?

[timxxx]

Ironically their argument was pretty much stating give girls like Amber more work on the site instead of the questionable models appearing on the site.

By "questionable models" you mean models YOU don't find attractive,this might come as a shock to you,people like things that you don't like.

The reason Blacktgirls is a good site is the sheer number of different models you get to see EVERY single week,and of course you not going to find every girl to your taste.

[top4bigbutt]

Drama Queen

[missyplay]

This site is tough on black tgirls. I've tried to promote many hot black girls on my thread and yet most of my post are simply ignored. Despite the over 400,000 views i'm basically the only contributor *sigh* SMFH http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=51761

[Jericho]

This site is tough on black tgirls. I've tried to promote many hot black girls on my thread and yet most of my post are simply ignored. Despite the over 400,000 views i'm basically the only contributor *sigh* SMFH http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=51761


That thread is over a 130 pages and has 40,000 views.
I think the only thread more popular is the am/sissy thread.
Given %'s, I'm thinking that's pretty fukkin good! :shrug

[Jericho]

And an acknowledgement of how hot black t-girls are!

[tsdvdman]

This site is tough on black tgirls. I've tried to promote many hot black girls on my thread and yet most of my post are simply ignored. Despite the over 400,000 views i'm basically the only contributor *sigh* SMFH http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=51761
Your thread is one of the most popular threads in terms of views but not comments. Trust me dudes are droolin over the pics of some of the hottest unknown ts across the country. These "girls" represent the kind that motherfuckers are cruisin around looking for but in discreet fashion..just like the many views on the thread

[Prospero]

You are doing a good job of posting an amazing collection of pictures missyplay.... and it has 130 follow-ups (I know the pictures seem only come from you) but its obviously popular

[Falling]

Damn I luved reading her posts I hope she reconsiders...

[TSPornFan]

IMO only very experienced performers/producers/directors should ever criticize work, unless someone comes on here and specifically asks for input. Funny thing though, I've never seen anyone from inside the industry criticize.

As far as the rest of us goes, if you see something you like, great...if you don't like the work you see, say nothing.

The whole criticism thing is pointless to begin with, because nothing in porn is ever 100% anyway.




Lol...damn annoying!

Your post is just full of ignorance. Customers SHOULD criticize a product. They're the ones who are PAYING for it.


By "questionable models" you mean models YOU don't find attractive,this might come as a shock to you,people like things that you don't like.

The reason Blacktgirls is a good site is the sheer number of different models you get to see EVERY single week,and of course you not going to find every girl to your taste.

First off, I didn't create the thread. There were plenty of guys making the same argument as me. So yes there are some people who dislike things that I also dislike.

[Prospero]

Seanchai... shall i do the honours or shall I leave it to you?

[GroobySteven]

Seanchai... shall i do the honours or shall I leave it to you?

Done.
He had to call my bluff - wasn't quite expecting the meltdown also.

[missyplay]

And an acknowledgement of how hot black t-girls are!

Thanks for vote guys. I love the amateur thread and started mine to show more coloured girls. Amber and i haven't always agreed but we often ended up on the same side when it came to some of the nasty comments. I hope she comes back too. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=51761

[dderek123]

Done.
He had to call my bluff - wasn't quite expecting the meltdown also.

Spanklin is banned?

http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/its-happening-ron-paul-gif.gif

[Ryz]

fuck whitey

[nysprod]

fuck whitey

Lol...that's not nice...

[BellaBellucci]

En Vogue - Free Your Mind (Official Video) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7iQbBbMAFE)

~BB~

[Ben in LA]

Wow...goes to show you never fuck with the folks in charge...

[TSBootyLondon]

As a person who represents Dada, a mixed race Asian/Ebony TS I can honestly say that I have never felt any hostility from this site towards her (I speak from a London perspective)

Dada has stollen many hearts Prospero, Lexus and at one stage almost appealed to one Liberty. Her reception has been very warm.
It goes without saying that every body has their type, some love Asian TS, Some hate them, a few like a black TS and I guess a percentage do not!

I think we just have to be ourselves and express our selves in the way that we feel comfortable as a person and to hell with the haters! trust me! Bella Amore has plenty of them... my moto is let the haters hate!

I love this forum and value so many cyber friendships forged! I enjoy the company of this site. I say turn on the 'Village Idiot Filter' and ignore the twats!

be who you want to be and accept that we cannot appeal to everyone all of the time!

xx bella


This site is tough on black tgirls. I've tried to promote many hot black girls on my thread and yet most of my post are simply ignored. Despite the over 400,000 views i'm basically the only contributor *sigh* SMFH http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=51761

[Winkle]

Thanks for vote guys. I love the amateur thread and started mine to show more coloured girls. Amber and i haven't always agreed but we often ended up on the same side when it came to some of the nasty comments. I hope she comes back too. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=51761

I'm not really a regular around these parts, but when I do check in I go straight to your awesome thread, your work doesn't go unappreciated, gorgeous girls.

[yosi]

since im the only black girl here and its apparently ok for people to say how unattractive we are im just going to leave.
plus i start school soon and need to be focusing on that.for all those who are cool wish me luck :)
everyone else can choke on a dick


1. you are NOT the only black girl here.
2. it's a pity to see you leave because of some idiots.
3. good luck with your studies.

[Lovecox]

People say I'm a racist. Hey, I drive pretty fast but I'm no racist!

[fred41]

Thanks for vote guys. I love the amateur thread and started mine to show more coloured girls. Amber and i haven't always agreed but we often ended up on the same side when it came to some of the nasty comments. I hope she comes back too. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=51761


I'm not really a regular around these parts, but when I do check in I go straight to your awesome thread, your work doesn't go unappreciated, gorgeous girls.

missyplay,I agree with Winkle and some of the other guys that have stated the same...I love your thread. Maybe I should thank you more often, but for the record - that thread is awesome.
Keep up the good work,it doesn't go unnoticed.
Thank you.

[missyplay]

thanks guys. this is why i hope amber comes back. i don't think quitting will help us get the point about the beauty and diversity that is among all of us.

[EZWind]

1. you are NOT the only black girl here.


...right on and thank you yosi...I thought it was just me missing something when I couldn't figure out how she arrived at that conclusion



2. it's a pity to see you leave because of some idiots.


....she couldn't take the heat...she got out of the kitchen

...if I may extend a coupla nickel's worth of free advice for Amber (and Krissy, who went a few rounds w/ that toad over in the other thread on this same subject) and anyone who enjoys participating in these types of online forums, which helps me maintain my peace o mind.
...Rule o thumb #1...don't feed the trolls
...some o these people cannot possibly be as boneheaded and obtuse as the things they say would tend to indicate, w/out it being deliberately intentional just to piss someone off. Good for them if that's how they get their kicks, hell, it's made Rush Limpballs one rich MoFo. It's not always easy to bite your tongue, but sometimes the smartest way to win a fight is to just walk away from it.
...Rule o thumb #2...something I learned from my Dad, which holds true offline as well...you can only be insulted by someone you respect

[Remy757Photog]

just how many active black trans women posters are on this forum? I'm not here enough to keep up so I thought Amber was the only one actively posting here myself.

[txjr3]

I think Amber is amazingly hot! I still love that pic of her with the buzzed hair, on a leash attached to the shower curtain rail. Fuck soap on a rope! Amber - I wish you wouldn't leave, bit I'd like to choke on your cock anyway!

[Remy757Photog]

I think Amber is amazingly hot! I still love that pic of her with the buzzed hair, on a leash attached to the shower curtain rail. Fuck soap on a rope! Amber - I wish you wouldn't leave, bit I'd like to choke on your cock anyway!

Yes, I totally agree! I thought that look (and shoot) was super hot!!!

[dirty1002]

The only thing racist is calling someone a racist for not thinking yoUr attractive, it's pathetic that's the go to remark for blacks if you don't agree with them. And no I don't mean all blacks some are very intelligent well spoken attractive people.

[bluesoul]

And no I don't mean all blacks some are very intelligent well spoken attractive people.

how about the others?

[CORVETTEDUDE]

since im the only black girl here and its apparently ok for people to say how unattractive we are im just going to leave.
plus i start school soon and need to be focusing on that.for all those who are cool wish me luck :)
everyone else can choke on a dick


I love it when you talk dirty to me!!!:salad:jerkoff:praying:

[mac.B]

thanks guys. this is why i hope amber comes back. i don't think quitting will help us get the point about the beauty and diversity that is among all of us.


Actually, I think all people of color need to leave. A lot of us dont understand what racism is or how to identify it so a lot of hings go over our heads. I spot racism evrytime I log on to this forum and sometimes I'm so infuriated that I have to comment on something to correct the bullshit.

Not too long ago I had the idea of starting a porn site but had soon came to my senses. Porn does nothing but degrade, use and exploit poor people of color globally. When I look closer at scenes that I used to think were harmless expressions of sex between paid performers and producers I now begin to see what are actually horrific examples of exploitation and domination. This is not our nature! I had to do some serious self examination to figure out why I was even interested in creating porn in the first place and now I know that we've all been tricked in to thinking that this society and the things that we do in it are normal. There is nothing normal about paying a person to allow themselves to be recorded while they agonize from rough anal sex.

Sex is something to be enjoyed between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS who are mutually attracted and equally willing. It is a way to connect to another individual and create a bond that only you two share. This is the case for most of us. But for some sex is a bargaining chip and/or a way to express power. Those who have this mentality has sexual encounters that are very brutal and dehumanizing. Some like to be punished by being called names and beaten. Is this you?

I say all this asking for you look around and pay closer attention to what and who surrounds you. HA, from this day forward, will not be a place where I will be spending any more of my free time and I hope I made it clear why. This is not for us.

[missyplay]

So are we against racism or porn Mac???

[bluesoul]

Actually, I think all people of color need to leave. A lot of us dont understand what racism is or how to identify it so a lot of hings go over our heads. I spot racism evrytime I log on to this forum and sometimes I'm so infuriated that I have to comment on something to correct the bullshit.

Not too long ago I had the idea of starting a porn site but had soon came to my senses. Porn does nothing but degrade, use and exploit poor people of color globally. When I look closer at scenes that I used to think were harmless expressions of sex between paid performers and producers I now begin to see what are actually horrific examples of exploitation and domination. This is not our nature! I had to do some serious self examination to figure out why I was even interested in creating porn in the first place and now I know that we've all been tricked in to thinking that this society and the things that we do in it are normal. There is nothing normal about paying a person to allow themselves to be recorded while they agonize from rough anal sex.

Sex is something to be enjoyed between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS who are mutually attracted and equally willing. It is a way to connect to another individual and create a bond that only you two share. This is the case for most of us. But for some sex is a bargaining chip and/or a way to express power. Those who have this mentality has sexual encounters that are very brutal and dehumanizing. Some like to be punished by being called names and beaten. Is this you?

I say all this asking for you look around and pay closer attention to what and who surrounds you. HA, from this day forward, will not be a place where I will be spending any more of my free time and I hope I made it clear why. This is not for us.

i can't tell if this is serious or not, but it's amazing

[Bobzz]

Isn't this thread the flip side of TS women who don't see black guys, or Asian guys, or older guys (for whatever reason)? Everyone has preferences, many of which simply reflect the environment we've grown up in and our own sense of aesthetics and beauty. If someone isn't necessarily attracted to someone of a different ethnicity (or age group), how does it become racist if they state "In general, I don't find members of x-group attractive"? Aren't we allowed to state our preferences and non-preferences?

Amber is attractive for sure and I'm sorry to see her go, but the truth is that there are many black, white, asian and hispanic models who get posted here who, for the life of me, I am simply mystified how anyone would find them feminine or attractive. I prefer my transwomen to look like women and appear feminine, to have curves (not just fat), to be well groomed with real hair or decent extensions, etc. I don't know whether the well is running dry but there are plenty of times when the posted model (IMHO) painfully misses the mark. A man wearing a wig, an ill-fitting bra but with a big cock does not a woman make, regardless of that person's ethnicity or color. On occasion, I've even been creeped out enough by someone's visual appearance to make a comment or two. The comments may be rude but just because the subject of the comment is a member of a particular group, and even if the comment is drawn to that group (i.e. "I don't find x-group members to be attractive"), the comment doesn't by itself become inherently racist.

Am I missing something here?

[dderek123]

http://i.imgur.com/xSvMk58.gif

[Remy757Photog]

I will agree that some girls do get taken advantage of. I've met many models who refused to come back to porn because of a bad experience, and some like Sheeba I was able to talk into coming back because working with me is a totally different atmosphere to some others. At the end of the day, you never know what you are capable of until you try it. Even I have had models who thought they could do porn and then when they got naked became very self conscious of their bodies and decided they couldn't do it after all.

While you choose to look at things pessimistically, I tend to see what I do as helping to provide as great an experience as can be and put money in girls hands that they wouldn't have available to them otherwise. I never fill girls head with dreams of becoming some famous porn star that will never want for anything again, I keep it very real with what can be expected out of this industry for the girls so that they can make as an informed decision on whether to pursue it or not for themselves.


There is nothing normal about paying a person to allow themselves to be recorded while they agonize from rough anal sex.

Are you seriously saying that every single girl on trans porn sites "agonize from rough anal sex" ? You are wrong.



Sex is something to be enjoyed between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS who are mutually attracted and equally willing. It is a way to connect to another individual and create a bond that only you two share. This is the case for most of us. But for some sex is a bargaining chip and/or a way to express power. Those who have this mentality has sexual encounters that are very brutal and dehumanizing. Some like to be punished by being called names and beaten. Is this you?

Wait, let me guess, next your going to say that sex should only be between a married couple right lol j/k People have sex for all manner of reasons, and so long as those reasons are consensual between the two more power to them. People cheating or having sex with some random person to spite an ex is bad too, but guess what it's still going to happen.

[maddygirl]

Actually, I think all people of color need to leave. A lot of us dont understand what racism is or how to identify it so a lot of hings go over our heads. I spot racism evrytime I log on to this forum and sometimes I'm so infuriated that I have to comment on something to correct the bullshit.

Not too long ago I had the idea of starting a porn site but had soon came to my senses. Porn does nothing but degrade, use and exploit poor people of color globally. When I look closer at scenes that I used to think were harmless expressions of sex between paid performers and producers I now begin to see what are actually horrific examples of exploitation and domination. This is not our nature! I had to do some serious self examination to figure out why I was even interested in creating porn in the first place and now I know that we've all been tricked in to thinking that this society and the things that we do in it are normal. There is nothing normal about paying a person to allow themselves to be recorded while they agonize from rough anal sex.

Sex is something to be enjoyed between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS who are mutually attracted and equally willing. It is a way to connect to another individual and create a bond that only you two share. This is the case for most of us. But for some sex is a bargaining chip and/or a way to express power. Those who have this mentality has sexual encounters that are very brutal and dehumanizing. Some like to be punished by being called names and beaten. Is this you?

I say all this asking for you look around and pay closer attention to what and who surrounds you. HA, from this day forward, will not be a place where I will be spending any more of my free time and I hope I made it clear why. This is not for us.
Actually, I think all people of color need to leave. A lot of us dont understand what racism is or how to identify it so a lot of hings go over our heads. Lol I'm sorry but that's bullshit. More often than not people call out "racism" which isn't actually racism. Believe it or not people have the right to express their opinion/preferences without being called racists. As long as they aren't being nasty I don't see the problem. I'd like to know all the "racist" comments you see, and I'm sure 90 percent of them aren't actually racist comments at all. The word "racist" is thrown around so often most of you don't even understand what does it truly mean anyway.

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Noun

The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...
Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

[Remy757Photog]

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Noun

The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...
Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

I do believe that was point Amber was making. Stating that all black trans are unattractive and/or masculine is racist.

[maddygirl]

I do believe that was point Amber was making. Stating that all black trans are unattractive and/or masculine is racist.
I think what was said was that they found many off the girls featured on the site to be more masculine or crossdressers, not that all black transsexuals are masculine. To state all black transsexuals are manly is racist, but that's not what was said.

[BellaBellucci]

Porn doesn't degrade people. People degrade people. The producers, the market, but not the work. It, like a private sexual encounter, is created by consenting adults. That said, there are lot of flaws in the system, but porn is not inherently more destructive than any other business.

Porn is just the commoditization of myriad expressions of sexuality, for better or worse. It's the business that's most exploitative, not the visual depictions. Rough anal sex is as valid an expression of sexuality as is romantic sensuality, and sexual voyeurism and the acts it allows the masses to view are depictions of part of what makes us human.

~BB~

[Remy757Photog]

Porn doesn't degrade people. People degrade people. The producers, the market, but not the work. It, like a private sexual encounter, is created by consenting adults. That said, there are lot of flaws in the system, but porn is not inherently more destructive than any other business.

Porn is just the commoditization of myriad expressions of sexuality, for better or worse. It's the business that's most exploitative, not the visual depictions. Rough anal sex is as valid an expression of sexuality as is romantic sensuality, and sexual voyeurism and the acts it allows the masses to view are depictions of part of what makes us human.

~BB~

:iagree:

You hit the nail on the head

[lifeisfiction]

Porn doesn't degrade people. People degrade people. The producers, the market, but not the work. It, like a private sexual encounter, is created by consenting adults. That said, there are lot of flaws in the system, but porn is not inherently more destructive than any other business.

Porn is just the commoditization of myriad expressions of sexuality, for better or worse. It's the business that's most exploitative, not the visual depictions. Rough anal sex is as valid an expression of sexuality as is romantic sensuality, and sexual voyeurism and the acts it allows the masses to view are depictions of part of what makes us human.

~BB~

Hmmm, ahh, no. I have to disagree, a lot of porn has racial overtones. Sadly its what sells. Take Asian porn, the woman are seen as submissive, docile. Interracial porn which always makes me chuckle is any porn that involves black person with any other race. A non-black minority with a Caucasian person is never classified as interracial. Look at the titles and portrayal, nuff said. I have seen many comments that some people don't find black transsexuals attractive. I have heard a lot of men (people I personally know) say I am not into Asian women, its not my thing. I cannot force people to develop and attraction to people they don't find attractive.

To get outrage, hmmmm, when I read about escorts who say they won't see black men (incorporating every black out there) because they tend to be this or that no one on the forum gets upset, but they simply respond its what they want to do with there body because its a person's choice. I am black I am its troublesome to hear every black person lumped into a group who does not represent the majority of black men, or from some reason an educated black is abnormality. Still, I never forgot a lovely black tg (who I was trying to date) and her friend said all black men are garbage and would never date them. I can't force them to like something they find unattractive. I do think its a difficult and touchy subject one that cannot be resolve so easily. To me its fascinating how much we accept one thing and never the other.

[tsdvdman]

As much as I like Amber she overracted way too much on this like she's done on other occassions like in the New York review section. I think she took some comfort in being the "only black ts" on the forum (her words) , and when any discussion about black tgirls came up she got defensive without really reading the post.
Most guys complimented and drooled over her just like they do every other ts or crossdresser here. I also think she felt threatened by the facebook girls thread that shows so many hot black amauter/non-porn girls. When you are or think you are the "only one" and then the focus and conversations turns to many others it's easy to get angry and catch an attitude.

[Remy757Photog]

Hmmm, ahh, no. I have to disagree, a lot of porn has racial overtones. Sadly its what sells. Take Asian porn, the woman are seen as submissive, docile. Interracial porn which always makes me chuckle is any porn that involves black person with any other race. A non-black minority with a Caucasian person is never classified as interracial. Look at the titles and portrayal, nuff said. I have seen many comments that some people don't find black transsexuals attractive. I have heard a lot of men (people I personally know) say I am not into Asian women, its not my thing. I cannot force people to develop and attraction to people they don't find attractive.

To get outrage, hmmmm, when I read about escorts who say they won't see black men (incorporating every black out there) because they tend to be this or that no one on the forum gets upset, but they simply respond its what they want to do with there body because its a person's choice. I am black I am its troublesome to hear every black person lumped into a group who does not represent the majority of black men, or from some reason an educated black is abnormality. Still, I never forgot a lovely black tg (who I was trying to date) and her friend said all black men are garbage and would never date them. I can't force them to like something they find unattractive. I do think its a difficult and touchy subject one that cannot be resolve so easily. To me its fascinating how much we accept one thing and never the other.


I think that with regards to escorting, it's not the same thing at all. When escorting they don't get to know anything about the black client before hand, he would call and 30-60min later show up at the door. The escort just knows that the majority of girls getting robbed and/or killed is by black clients and they don't want to put their personal safety at risk. They would likely still deal with a black person personally because then they get to know him on a deeper level, along with choosing the person that meets their personal criteria of approval. It's not a blanket statement against black men in general life, its a statement against black men in their business setting which has proven to leave escorts vulnerable to attacks and robberies.

[Remy757Photog]

I also think she felt threatened by the facebook girls thread that shows so many hot black amauter/non-porn girls. When you are or think you are the "only one" and then the focus and conversations turns to many others it's easy to get angry and catch an attitude.

This is complete bullshit point blank, you clearly don't know Amber at all. So, is the fact that I have a problem with person private life being posted on a porn forum without their prior consent also mean that I care that the focus and conversation isn't on me?

So if I was to go and create a thread for the girls titled "Trans Admirers for girls to enjoy" and post every single male members photos of them with or without their friends and family in the pictures on this forum, are you also saying there is no problem with that?

[lifeisfiction]

I think that with regards to escorting, it's not the same thing at all. When escorting they don't get to know anything about the black client before hand, he would call and 30-60min later show up at the door. The escort just knows that the majority of girls getting robbed and/or killed is by black clients and they don't want to put their personal safety at risk. They would likely still deal with a black person personally because then they get to know him on a deeper level, along with choosing the person that meets their personal criteria of approval. It's not a blanket statement against black men in general life, its a statement against black men in their business setting which has proven to leave escorts vulnerable to attacks and robberies.

I understand what your saying, but its still a blanket statement, that includes all black men. Not saying black client can prove to be dangerous or have consequences, but it is a blanket statement. I know in the area I live there was a bunch of things in the local news over the past couple of months with escorts and them being attacked 90% which involved non-blacks perpetrators. I don't know what escorts go, through I have known a few tg escorts and they told me what they personally think of the situation. At the end of the day, to me, it just sounds as if all black men are bad and we have to jump throw more hopes with a lot things. Some days its depressing and there is not much you can do.

[Remy757Photog]

I understand what your saying, but its still a blanket statement, that includes all black men. Not saying black client can prove to be dangerous or have consequences, but it is a blanket statement. I know in the area I live there was a bunch of things in the local news over the past couple of months with escorts and them being attacked 90% which involved non-blacks perpetrators. I don't know what escorts go, through I have known a few tg escorts and they told me what they personally think of the situation. At the end of the day, to me, it just sounds as if all black men are bad and we have to jump throw more hopes with a lot things. Some days its depressing and there is not much you can do.

You are right, that is still a blanket statement. Whether they base their safety on perception or reality isn't my concern so long as they do what they feel is safe for them I can't blame them personally. At the end of the day, there are still many escorts that don't have a problem with black guys so you can still get your rocks off regardless. I don't see it as racist though again because in their personal life they do still deal with black men.

[tsdvdman]

This is complete bullshit point blank, you clearly don't know Amber at all. So, is the fact that I have a problem with person private life being posted on a porn forum without their prior consent also mean that I care that the focus and conversation isn't on me?

So if I was to go and create a thread for the girls titled "Trans Admirers for girls to enjoy" and post every single male members photos of them with or without their friends and family in the pictures on this forum, are you also saying there is no problem with that?
Remy you're right I only know Amber from this forum in which she has stated that she is the resident black tgirl. I never had a problem with her in fact always referred to her as "babygirl. But It's not unusual to feel threatened if you think you are the "only one".
You do have a point about peoples private photos being shared on a porn forum but I'll ask you to think of it like this on the flip side. Many of girls shared on this board that they would love to meet a guy who saw them more than an escort fetish freak etc. I would bet the same goes for the non-pros..the everyday girls we've seen in those pics. If they knew there was a forum like this where many (not all) of the dudes "get it"..or at least have a base knowledge more than your average joe about ts issues,,then they might even log in and join some of the discussion. IDK maybe they are on other forums but to me there should be way more Amber's. Trishes posting here or are they not welcomed because they are not posing and jerkin off?

[lifeisfiction]

You are right, that is still a blanket statement. Whether they base their safety on perception or reality isn't my concern so long as they do what they feel is safe for them I can't blame them personally. At the end of the day, there are still many escorts that don't have a problem with black guys so you can still get your rocks off regardless. I don't see it as racist though again because in their personal life they do still deal with black men.

I understand what you are saying. I cannot fully agree with everything, but I am not going to debate. As long as can agree to disagree, I will hold you in high regards for it. Reading some of the things on this forum can be depressing. Some days you feel like you have to extra, when others don't. I wish it was something that wouldn't be a factor. Till the day I die it will always be there lingering in the background, the color of my skin. Any who on lighter note do you have a bf? j/k

[Remy757Photog]

Remy you're right I only know Amber from this forum in which she has stated that she is the resident black tgirl. I never had a problem with her in fact always referred to her as "babygirl. But It's not unusual to feel threatened if you think you are the "only one".
You do have a point about peoples private photos being shared on a porn forum but I'll ask you to think of it like this on the flip side. Many of girls shared on this board that they would love to meet a guy who saw them more than an escort fetish freak etc. I would bet the same goes for the non-pros..the everyday girls we've seen in those pics. If they knew there was a forum like this where many (not all) of the dudes "get it"..or at least have a base knowledge more than your average joe about ts issues,,then they might even log in and join some of the discussion. IDK maybe they are on other forums but to me there should be way more Amber's. Trishes posting here or are they not welcomed because they are not posing and jerkin off?

Nah, girls not in this industry don't want to be on this forum primarily because, they are not in this industry. You can likely count the active posting trans women not in the porn industry in any capacity on this forum with one hand I'd wager. Also, look at the precious few guys on this forum that post their real faces for their avatar. You can't be that much "for" the girls if you are reduced to hiding who you are from this forum. Girls aren't going to want to come here and be criticized and called ugly/masculine/whatever by anyone, but especially not faceless men who are content to stare at the free ts images blanketing this forum. Again, the rub is, everyone here thinks it is perfectly fine to blast trans women personal images to their hearts content on a porn forum whilst hiding their own. That is the very essence of utter disrespect to trans women in and of itself that they seek to avoid! No, you don't get trans women at all, as these types of threads prove, we trans women clearly do not warrant the same level of human decency that you expect for yourself.

I didn't even know Amber had mentioned this issue before until after it was mentioned that she had. I feel the threads should have been taken down then. Now that I've mentioned it, that makes two trans women fighting for some basic level of respect on this forum for trans women who are not here to fight for the respect they deserve. Another aspect that truly makes threads like the "facebook girls" really despicable is that the girls are being "befriended" under the false pretenses of friendship when in reality it's for access to their personal life to bring here and satisfy the 'guys' unquenching thirst for more and more trans women. There are no release forms being signed as with the porn models that are featured all across the forum, these girls have no idea, and trust me they wouldn't be happy to find out either. Especially after reading some of the drama filled threads that are polluting this forum, this isn't a safe harmonious place for trans women to unite and meet guys that are into them. This is a place for porn buying folk and the porn stars to congregate amongst themselves. Out of all the sanctioned/featured links across the forum I see nothing but porn. Not a single link pointing towards the many trans advocacy sites that exist, though occasionally some trans women on here do post links to those sites it is not the same by any means. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there has to be links to trans advocacy sites either (only if this forum wanted to foster a welcoming image toward trans women in general), but one can't claim that guys here "get" the girls when they are cheering on the blanket disrespect toward them.

[Remy757Photog]

I understand what you are saying. I cannot fully agree with everything, but I am not going to debate. As long as can agree to disagree, I will hold you in high regards for it. Reading some of the things on this forum can be depressing. Some days you feel like you have to extra, when others don't. I wish it was something that wouldn't be a factor. Till the day I die it will always be there lingering in the background, the color of my skin. Any who on lighter note do you have a bf? j/k

Fair is fair, I agree to disagree.

Nope, still single lol my last relationship I broke rules I set for myself and set me back from my goals more than what I feel in hindsight is acceptable, so enjoying life stress and drama free. I'm always open but never looking if you catch my meaning.

[lifeisfiction]

Fair is fair, I agree to disagree.

Nope, still single lol my last relationship I broke rules I set for myself and set me back from my goals more than what I feel in hindsight is acceptable, so enjoying life stress and drama free. I'm always open but never looking if you catch my meaning.

So I am hoping if you could share, what type of men tend to catch your eyes? If you don't want to say it, no problems.

[BellaBellucci]

Hmmm, ahh, no. I have to disagree, a lot of porn has racial overtones. Sadly its what sells. Take Asian porn, the woman are seen as submissive, docile. Interracial porn which always makes me chuckle is any porn that involves black person with any other race. A non-black minority with a Caucasian person is never classified as interracial. Look at the titles and portrayal, nuff said. I have seen many comments that some people don't find black transsexuals attractive. I have heard a lot of men (people I personally know) say I am not into Asian women, its not my thing. I cannot force people to develop and attraction to people they don't find attractive.

To get outrage, hmmmm, when I read about escorts who say they won't see black men (incorporating every black out there) because they tend to be this or that no one on the forum gets upset, but they simply respond its what they want to do with there body because its a person's choice. I am black I am its troublesome to hear every black person lumped into a group who does not represent the majority of black men, or from some reason an educated black is abnormality. Still, I never forgot a lovely black tg (who I was trying to date) and her friend said all black men are garbage and would never date them. I can't force them to like something they find unattractive. I do think its a difficult and touchy subject one that cannot be resolve so easily. To me its fascinating how much we accept one thing and never the other.

I honestly don't think this is a race issue, nor that we have race issues as a nation. What we have are class issues. These days, we're all slaves to debt. And while I understand that the class system has historically been rigged to limit upward mobility for certain groups of people, there are plenty of people who have broken through and transcended stereotypes, including many transsexuals and people of color.

According to the mainstream, many of us are considered lower to lower-middle class. Race should be unimportant here at HA. It's about time we show some solidarity. We're all victims here.

All of that being said, certain stereotypes exist for a reason, so we all need to stop exacerbating them as well as the conflicts they create, donchathink?

~BB~

[Remy757Photog]

I honestly don't think this is a race issue, nor that we have race issues as a nation. What we have are class issues. These days, we're all slaves to debt. And while I understand that the class system has historically been rigged to limit upward mobility for certain groups of people, there are plenty of people who have broken through and transcended stereotypes, including many transsexuals and people of color.


Wait, you don't think that their is a race issue as a nation?? You wouldn't call the current state of immigration laws directed specifically toward Hispanics a race issue? How about the fact that Obama was the first black president, and also the first president whose place of birth was, wait actually still is, called into question despite his Hawaiian birth certificate. Nobody questioned where Bush was born... Last year there was a black man who was beaten by white kids riding around in a pick up truck in the South. Also in the south, there was a black man who was ran down while walking home by white kids in a car, they had to cross two lanes to hit him. I think people choose not to see what they don't want to acknowledge.

I do agree that there are class issues as well though.

[Merkurie]

I honestly don't think this is a race issue, nor that we have race issues as a nation. What we have are class issues. These days, we're all slaves to debt. And while I understand that the class system has historically been rigged to limit upward mobility for certain groups of people, there are plenty of people who have broken through and transcended stereotypes, including many transsexuals and people of color.

According to the mainstream, many of us are considered lower to lower-middle class. Race should be unimportant here at HA. It's about time we show some solidarity. We're all victims here.

All of that being said, certain stereotypes exist for a reason, so we all need to stop exacerbating them as well as the conflicts they create, donchathink?

~BB~
That is the entire function and purpose of racism; to distract the masses from the reality of the class structure.

[BellaBellucci]

Wait, you don't think that their is a race issue as a nation?? You wouldn't call the current state of immigration laws directed specifically toward Hispanics a race issue?

Nope. I don't see a ton of Canadians risking their lives to cross the border, do you? Immigration only seems like a race issue because Mexico is a dirt-poor country.


How about the fact that Obama was the first black president, and also the first president whose place of birth was, wait actually still is, called into question despite his Hawaiian birth certificate.

First of all, Obama is half-Black. Our real first Black POTUS was Bubba Clinton. ;)

And Birthers have issues with Obama for his policies, too. They're not all racist. Also, Birthers are idiots. Who cares if some are racist anyway? Natural selection will filter them out soon enough.


Nobody questioned where Bush was born...

He's a member of a family that has been in the political eye for generations. Are you kidding me? :lol:


Last year there was a black man who was beaten by white kids riding around in a pick up truck in the South. Also in the south, there was a black man who was ran down while walking home by white kids in a car, they had to cross two lanes to hit him. I think people choose not to see what they don't want to acknowledge.

These are isolated incidents and occur in reverse and by people of other races all of the time. Let's not blame whitey exclusively, shall we? :lol:


That is the entire function and purpose of racism; to distract the masses from the reality of the class structure.

QFT.

~BB~

[maddygirl]

Wait, you don't think that their is a race issue as a nation?? You wouldn't call the current state of immigration laws directed specifically toward Hispanics a race issue? How about the fact that Obama was the first black president, and also the first president whose place of birth was, wait actually still is, called into question despite his Hawaiian birth certificate. Nobody questioned where Bush was born... Last year there was a black man who was beaten by white kids riding around in a pick up truck in the South. Also in the south, there was a black man who was ran down while walking home by white kids in a car, they had to cross two lanes to hit him. I think people choose not to see what they don't want to acknowledge.

I do agree that there are class issues as well though.
Also in the south, there was a black man who was ran down while walking home by white kids in a car, they had to cross two lanes to hit him. I think people choose not to see what they don't want to acknowledge. There was just an incident where two black teenagers killed a 13 month old white baby. Or am I not allowed to acknowledge that? Don't act like the reverse doesn't happen... because it does... all the time.

[Remy757Photog]

racism is racism, doesn't matter which race it occurs to. One of you deny the existence based on it being perpetuated by idiots as if that means it therefore doesn't exist. The other tries to justify racism by saying that it happens to other races of people too. lol

[nysprod]

Wait, you don't think that their is a race issue as a nation??




As far as racism in the U.S. is concerned, and I find this very sad to say because I thought things would have gotten better by now, despite there being laws regarding employment, housing, etc that ideally protect people's rights, the feelings between people of different races, I believe, is worse now than it was back when I was an idealistic college student 25 years ago.

A very sad state of affairs to be sure, and I'm not certain things will change any time soon...I mean, what exactly could act as a catalyst for change? Do people even want to change?

Agree or not?

[Bobzz]

As far as racism in the U.S. is concerned, and I find this very sad to say because I thought things would have gotten better by now, despite there being laws regarding employment, housing, etc that ideally protect people's rights, the feelings between people of different races, I believe, is worse now than it was back when I was an idealistic college student 25 years ago.

A very sad state of affairs to be sure, and I'm not certain things will change any time soon...I mean, what exactly could act as a catalyst for change? Do people even want to change?

Agree or not?

Fortunately, based on my personal experience, I think our children are in general far better equipped to deal with matters of race, sexuality and gender identity. They seem to more open to the politics of inclusion. Unfortunately, the institutions that prop up the stereotypes that feed on bias and intolerance of all types are too well ingrained in our society and for every two steps of forward progress, we lose a step (or two on occasion). It will change and it will get better. It'll just take more time.

But then again, I'm still an idealistic (long ago post-college student) :praying: :-)

[nysprod]

Unfortunately, the institutions that prop up the stereotypes that feed on bias and intolerance of all types are too well ingrained in our society and for every two steps of forward progress, we lose a step (or two on occasion). It will change and it will get better. It'll just take more time.

But then again, I'm still an idealistic (long ago post-college student) :praying: :-)



I hope so, but I can't say that I share your optimism...we'll see.

[maddygirl]

racism is racism, doesn't matter which race it occurs to. One of you deny the existence based on it being perpetuated by idiots as if that means it therefore doesn't exist. The other tries to justify racism by saying that it happens to other races of people too. lol
First of all, moron, I wasn't justifying racism, you know that full well. Or are you just "seeing what you want to see?" Seems like it. And, that was the point of my last post. Very, very hypocritical.

[Remy757Photog]

As far as racism in the U.S. is concerned, and I find this very sad to say because I thought things would have gotten better by now, despite there being laws regarding employment, housing, etc that ideally protect people's rights, the feelings between people of different races, I believe, is worse now than it was back when I was an idealistic college student 25 years ago.

A very sad state of affairs to be sure, and I'm not certain things will change any time soon...I mean, what exactly could act as a catalyst for change? Do people even want to change?

Agree or not?

I do agree wholeheartedly

[Remy757Photog]

First of all, moron, I wasn't justifying racism, you know that full well. Or are you just "seeing what you want to see?" Seems like it. And, that was the point of my last post. Very, very hypocritical.

Reduced so easily to name calling lol No matter, I apologize, I was in mad tyrant mode when I saw your initial response.

[Merkurie]

The best way to reduce and or eliminate racism is when people of "different races" live and grow up with each other from childhood. Segregation and separation is the great incubator of racism, that and treating people differently because of their appearance.

Personally I think we in America should drop racial identification. It wont happen anytime soon and I doubt anyone would agree with me. But I think we should drop racial recognition all together and in three or four generations I think we all will be better off by a long way.

[sucka4chix]

The problem with this place and seemingly a whole generation of people is they can't accept criticism. Just because you like something or are part of something or indulge in something doesn't mean it's all rainbows and roses. And as soon as you condemn someone for being closed minded because they don't share your views, you are actually being closed minded! It's like a smoker who gets belligerent when people say cigarettes cause cancer!
I like porn. That doesn't mean I think it has any redeeming qualities.
I'm black. That doesn't mean I get mad everytime someone points out that not every black person is attractive. I live in reality and I understand that just because I like something doesn't necessarily make it LIKEABLE. There's wickedness in all of us and some of the things we like are wicked. Some of things we like are not pretty. At least I'm honest enough to admit that.
Btw, there are far more ugly people IN GENERAL on this planet than there are super models. If that was not the the case we wouldn't need agencies to find these people. AND it's been proven over and over that beauty is not so much in the eye of the beholder and that we pretty much share common ideas of what's beautiful. Go do some reading some time.

[bluesoul]

Personally I think we in America should drop racial identification. It wont happen anytime soon and I doubt anyone would agree with me. But I think we should drop racial recognition all together and in three or four generations I think we all will be better off by a long way.

are you saying we should stop referring to people as being "black", "white" etc? if so, what happens if someone is looking for a suspect in a crime and needs a visual identification? should they just describe the suspects features and what they were wearing and drop any other identifying features?

[bluesoul]

The problem with this place and seemingly a whole generation of people is they can't accept criticism.

this individual has the right of it.

in fact, i saw another thread (on this forum) where someone suggested nobody was allowed to criticize porn unless they themselves were involved. of course, threads about which movie you watched last or what album you were currently listening to were okay to criticize since nobody was arguing in those threads :whistle:

[sucka4chix]

Yeah raceless genderless bullyless society is coming down the pipe. Oh to be a fly on the wall to see how that goes!
Racism will NEVER go away. Ever.

[sucka4chix]

Oh and also for you pornographers out there---if you only want to hear praise you'll only be able to keep the same customers. If you listen to the people who hate your stuff, maybe you can increase your income by drawing from the minions who swore they never would give you their money. It's called feedback and negative feedback is just as important as positive. Or you can stay prideful. I'm sure you're content.

[bluesoul]

Oh and also for you pornographers out there---if you only want to hear praise you'll only be able to keep the same customers. If you listen to the people who hate your stuff, maybe you can increase your income by drawing from the minions who swore they never would give you their money. It's called feedback and negative feedback is just as important as positive. Or you can stay prideful. I'm sure you're content.

actually negative feedback is more important than positive feedback because it tells you what you're doing wrong. but on hungangels, negative feedback is equated to "trolls" and "haters" and is never welcome. in fact, people are banned for giving negative feedback.

[Curiousblkmle680860]

Amber you are beautiful! And don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[BellaBellucci]

actually negative feedback is more important than positive feedback because it tells you what you're doing wrong. but on hungangels, negative feedback is equated to "trolls" and "haters" and is never welcome. in fact, people are banned for giving negative feedback.

Also QFT. :lol:

~BB~

[tsdvdman]

actually negative feedback is more important than positive feedback because it tells you what you're doing wrong. but on hungangels, negative feedback is equated to "trolls" and "haters" and is never welcome. in fact, people are banned for giving negative feedback.
:iagree: totally. It doesn't matter how intelligent or eloquent you put it..if it is an opposing view from the general few..you are labeled a troll or bad guy.
I understand that the girls need constant affirmation..especially if they are posting their pics from shoots/updates..etc. Any constructive criticism might likely blow them over the top. But I always thought business owners were above taking negative feedback personally

[Remy757Photog]

:iagree: totally. It doesn't matter how intelligent or eloquent you put it..if it is an opposing view from the general few..you are labeled a troll or bad guy.
I understand that the girls need constant affirmation..especially if they are posting their pics from shoots/updates..etc. Any constructive criticism might likely blow them over the top. But I always thought business owners were above taking negative feedback personally

I'm no where near as active on this forum as I am on the Black Tgirls forum, (not being a mod sucks here lol j/k) but I've accepted much criticism from the members there. Usually they respond in a tactful way which does make that pill a bit easier to swallow. I'm always open to try and improve (within my budget and abilities) what I'm doing. Somethings change upon request, somethings just can't happen for a variety of reasons. Of course, I say all this from behind the camera. People have said Ms Remy, you should do a shoot yourself, nah I don't like having my personal image pulled part/salivated over etc so I don't put myself out there like that, more power to the girls that do!

[tsdvdman]

I'm no where near as active on this forum as I am on the Black Tgirls forum, (not being a mod sucks here lol j/k) but I've accepted much criticism from the members there. Usually they respond in a tactful way which does make that pill a bit easier to swallow. I'm always open to try and improve (within my budget and abilities) what I'm doing. Somethings change upon request, somethings just can't happen for a variety of reasons. Of course, I say all this from behind the camera. People have said Ms Remy, you should do a shoot yourself, nah I don't like having my personal image pulled part/salivated over etc so I don't put myself out there like that, more power to the girls that do!
Remy your thinking is rare and is to be commended. Most girls in front or behind the camera that post here regularly have very little openness for negative or constructive feedback. I don't think they really get the business/professional aspect of what they are doing and they are definitely not thinking longevity. I've seen dudes ask you when you are going to do a shoot on black tgirls...I wouldve thought you had done it by now. You gotta get that money girl!!...lol.JK

[nysprod]

Remy your thinking is rare and is to be commended. Most girls in front or behind the camera that post here regularly have very little openness for negative or constructive feedback. I don't think they really get the business/professional aspect of what they are doing and they are definitely not thinking longevity.



Just to be clear:

Negative is "that girl is ugly/has a fat ass/etc.

Constructive is "I'd like to see more tall/short/etc. girls.

IMO, there's no place for negative feedback because the set has already been shot and posted, so what's the point...if the model's pics don't sell, the person running the site is obviously going to pick up on that...besides, what one person hates, another one loves.

[dderek123]

Just to be clear:

Negative is "that girl is ugly/has a fat ass/etc.

Constructive is "I'd like to see more tall/short/etc. girls.

IMO, there's no place for negative feedback because the set has already been shot and posted, so what's the point...if the model's pics don't sell, the person running the site is obviously going to pick up on that...besides, what one person hates, another one loves.

Yeah i agree. Also the feedback you'd likely receive around here should be taken with a grain of salt. There are a lot of dummies on the internet. Spanklin would often rant about why he thinks certain models don't get enough work or something like that. Then he explained where he gets his info from and he basically says: "Uhhh I watch a lot of porn all the time". Hardly constructive.

And besides, we're all using anonymous usernames on a TS porno themed internet messageboard. We're all just pissing some time away to relax and have fun.

[Beaver1]

I'd sure love to see a lot more nyloned feet and toes when women, transsexuals are being fucked in the ass as well as on transsexuals when they are fucking men in the ass. I also would love to see more acrobatics in anal sex, preferably with nylons.

[GroobySteven]

Oh and also for you pornographers out there---if you only want to hear praise you'll only be able to keep the same customers. If you listen to the people who hate your stuff, maybe you can increase your income by drawing from the minions who swore they never would give you their money. It's called feedback and negative feedback is just as important as positive. Or you can stay prideful. I'm sure you're content.


I assume this is directed to me. Negative feedback is extrememly important which is why we have forums, why we email and respond to every cancelling member and why we allow people to post it on this forum. We've gleaned a lot of insight from this and made many changes to the sites over the years to be able to please the maximum amount of potential customers we can.

What I won't stand for is bullying and picking on one of our specific models looks - or constantly digging and haranguing us on one of our sites, even when I've taken the time to answer fully. In Franklin's case, although he brought some worth to the forum, his constant going over and bickering on points which I'd answered fully a number of times with him, his inability to accept that he was posting his own thoughts as fact and his making up of statistics just came both too tiring to deal with or answer and potentially detrimental to the sale of our product.

Negative feedback is only useful if offered constructively and with a degree of manners and civility. You can't please every customer, the customer is NOT always right - and I'd rather not take someone's custom if they're going to be too much of a problem.

He's on a short ban and I've been contacted by a number of people thankful he's on a break.

[Jericho]

Guess this is as good a place as any.... :hide-1:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2375089/Royal-baby-black-boy-Excruciating-moment-tourists-tasteless-joke-leaves-Skys-Kay-Burley-stunned-silence.html

[bassman2546]

I don't think you're unattractive, but how does someone calling you unattractive make this a racist thread? Honestly, the word 'racism' can't be used for everything that works against you in life.

[runningdownthatdream]

I assume this is directed to me. Negative feedback is extrememly important which is why we have forums, why we email and respond to every cancelling member and why we allow people to post it on this forum. We've gleaned a lot of insight from this and made many changes to the sites over the years to be able to please the maximum amount of potential customers we can.

What I won't stand for is bullying and picking on one of our specific models looks - or constantly digging and haranguing us on one of our sites, even when I've taken the time to answer fully. In Franklin's case, although he brought some worth to the forum, his constant going over and bickering on points which I'd answered fully a number of times with him, his inability to accept that he was posting his own thoughts as fact and his making up of statistics just came both too tiring to deal with or answer and potentially detrimental to the sale of our product.

Negative feedback is only useful if offered constructively and with a degree of manners and civility. You can't please every customer, the customer is NOT always right - and I'd rather not take someone's custom if they're going to be too much of a problem.

He's on a short ban and I've been contacted by a number of people thankful he's on a break.

You've always been fairly accommodating and understanding. Franklyn on the other hand is THE broken record - I think all other broken records mended themselves after Franklyn. He doesn't deserve to be permanently banned but really did need some disciplining.

Criticism is truly a double-edged sword and should be wielded with careful thought and not by just using a bunch of poorly researched, self-centred 'numbers' as back-up.

[tsadriana]

I think this site has the best team and i have plenty of profiles on other sites ,but HA its number one to me because they really care about of people complains and not only.I had once a problem here and the moderator sorted in just a few hours.

[lifeisfiction]

I don't think we should not confuse negative comments with personal attacks. When they are lumped together, then there is poor communication. The problem is people view a negative comment as personal attack. Far worse is when a person views a personal preference as a personal attack. Truth be told, there is a lot of misunderstanding at times on this forum.

[Prospero]

Well we all love you also Adriana

[Frescadrink]

Wait, you don't think that their is a race issue as a nation?? You wouldn't call the current state of immigration laws directed specifically toward Hispanics a race issue? How about the fact that Obama was the first black president, and also the first president whose place of birth was, wait actually still is, called into question despite his Hawaiian birth certificate. Nobody questioned where Bush was born... Last year there was a black man who was beaten by white kids riding around in a pick up truck in the South. Also in the south, there was a black man who was ran down while walking home by white kids in a car, they had to cross two lanes to hit him. I think people choose not to see what they don't want to acknowledge.

I do agree that there are class issues as well though.

Yes and there was a little white girl killed by two black kids.. as well as probly hundreds of other crimes by black people against whites.. But all you do is point out the ones committed by whites against blacks... You are why there is race problems.. as you being a black person point out everything done by the white people. See i look at a issue.. and i dont judge instantly i dont say oh thats race related blah blah blah.. No.. its fucked up people related.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I honestly don't understand why they pick on black girls so..

In general it's the white girls that are the least passable..when a white girl is passable it's like you found the white unicorn.

Black girls, Asians, and Latina's have lots of passable good looking chicks..

We whities not so much

[dderek123]

In Franklin's case, although he brought some worth to the forum, his constant going over and bickering on points which I'd answered fully a number of times with him, his inability to accept that he was posting his own thoughts as fact and his making up of statistics just came both too tiring to deal with or answer and potentially detrimental to the sale of our product.

He's on a short ban and I've been contacted by a number of people thankful he's on a break.

https://i.minus.com/iDnWp0ggcHm6T.gif

[maddygirl]

Yes and there was a little white girl killed by two black kids.. as well as probly hundreds of other crimes by black people against whites.. But all you do is point out the ones committed by whites against blacks... You are why there is race problems.. as you being a black person point out everything done by the white people. See i look at a issue.. and i dont judge instantly i dont say oh thats race related blah blah blah.. No.. its fucked up people related.
Couldn't have said it better.

[LilyRox]

Yes and there was a little white girl killed by two black kids.. as well as probly hundreds of other crimes by black people against whites.. But all you do is point out the ones committed by whites against blacks... You are why there is race problems.. as you being a black person point out everything done by the white people. See i look at a issue.. and i dont judge instantly i dont say oh thats race related blah blah blah.. No.. its fucked up people related.

Just like that Trayvon Martin case, everyone tries to make everything about race. All I ever hear is that it was white on black. Like really... The dude is Hispanic he doesn't even look white. It's just one of those things where Trayvon and Zimmerman were at the wrong place at the wrong time. To be honest I think Zimmerman would have confronted anyone walking out there at that time of night, regardless of race.

[broncofan]

What Fresca seems to be ignoring is that there's a distinction between a crime that happens to have a victim who is white and a crime where the perpetrator targets someone because they are white. The latter is a hate crime, the former is a crime that happens to have a victim of a particular background. The two are often conflated and it seems it's done intentionally to minimize the effect of hate crimes against certain minority groups. The accusation in the Trayvon Martin case is that he was scrutinized to begin with because he didn't look to Zimmerman like he belonged in the neighborhood.

I don't doubt that there is some racism towards Caucasians and I have no desire to try to sanitize it, but missing the theoretical difference between a bias crime and one with a victim who happens to be of a particular background doesn't help anyone.

[Remy757Photog]

Yes and there was a little white girl killed by two black kids.. as well as probly hundreds of other crimes by black people against whites.. But all you do is point out the ones committed by whites against blacks... You are why there is race problems.. as you being a black person point out everything done by the white people. See i look at a issue.. and i dont judge instantly i dont say oh thats race related blah blah blah.. No.. its fucked up people related.

Sorry, but it's people like you that deny any race issue as being "fucked up people" issues and not actual "race" issues, that are the problem. Just because I pointed out one race problems doesn't mean I'm not aware of other races problems. Not on this forum, but on my facebook, I've been railing against the racism leveled toward Native Americans for months now, but I didn't feel the need to go in to a long diatribe about our country problem with calling their sports teams racist names like Redskins which is the equivalent of calling a sports team Niggers in the eyes of Native Americans. This particular thread is about racism leveled toward blacks so that's what I mentioned.

[BellaBellucci]

Sorry, but it's people like you that deny any race issue as being "fucked up people" issues and not actual "race" issues, that are the problem.

And you don't do the exact opposite? Essentially, every media narrative since the trial ended shows that Zimmerman wasn't a racist, but you heard about a 'white man' (who was actually Hispanic) who had an altercation with a black man and immediately bought into the frenzy that painted Zimmerman as the second coming of a slave owner.

Sensitive much?

~BB~

[NoNameXIV]

first things first Zimmerman deserves nothing but a slow and painful death he has killed a young child for no real reason fuck all the black and white stuff for now this is the product of giving ignorant fuckers access to guns. take them out the hands of civilians and give them to professionals who are looking out for everybody's interests not there own misconstrued prejudgments and prejudice as long you let raciest like zimmerman have access to guns history will just keep repeating itself. Black White Hispanic whatever. the thing that bothers me is white people in the us dont seem to really care from the outside in in looks like
Young Black Boy Killed - no one gives a fuck let the killer go
White Girl Gets Kidnapped - National Uproar

so glad i live in the UK we have our share of raciest here don't make it ok by any means but at lease i can leave my house without fear of getting shot just for being black

[BellaBellucci]

This.

~BB~

[Remy757Photog]

And you don't do the exact opposite? Essentially, every media narrative since the trial ended shows that Zimmerman wasn't a racist, but you heard about a 'white man' (who was actually Hispanic) who had an altercation with a black man and immediately bought into the frenzy that painted Zimmerman as the second coming of a slave owner.

Sensitive much?

~BB~

lol I think you have me confused with someone else, I have not made one statement concerning the Zimmerman trial on this or any forum. I never have been confused that Zimmerman is Hispanic, and never once called him white. Talk about putting words in a persons mouth. lol By the by, a person of any race be it Hispanic/Asian/White/Black/Native American etc can all be racist. Again, I never once pointed to the Zimmerman trial as an example of racism, and if you feel I did by all means please show me the quote.

I think people that don't personally experience racism can easily write it off as not existing, but as you pointed out in the other thread Bella, sexism does exist because you have personally experienced it. I fully admit racism occurs across all races.

[BellaBellucci]

lol I think you have me confused with someone else, I have not made one statement concerning the Zimmerman trial on this or any forum. I never have been confused that Zimmerman is Hispanic, and never once called him white. Talk about putting words in a persons mouth. lol By the by, a person of any race be it Hispanic/Asian/White/Black/Native American etc can all be racist. Again, I never once pointed to the Zimmerman trial as an example of racism, and if you feel I did by all means please show me the quote.

I think people that don't personally experience racism can easily write it off as not existing, but as you pointed out in the other thread Bella, sexism does exist because you have personally experienced it. I fully admit racism occurs across all races.

I quoted the exact passage to which I was responding. You might want to read it again. You said that people who deny race issues are the problem (and clearly the Zimmerman case is the context), and I'm saying those who overreact to them are the problem. As to racism, most people don't know this, but I most certainly have experienced it. I grew up around nearly all black people. Many were even kind enough to take in when I was homeless. However, they were nearly all criminals, and I certainly felt the guilt by association. The funny thing is, I can take the same people to an upscale dinner, dressed-up and well mannered, and nobody is going to bat an eye. As I've said, that goes to class, not race.

~BB~

PS: I'm not 'white' anywhere but in the U.S. I'm Sicilian.

[dderek123]

Spend some time in Asia. The racism and xenophobia is really shocking sometimes.

In Thailand the lighter Asians were much more influential and desirable than darker skinned Asians. It seemed like half of the skin products available at the store included some sort of whitening agent.
http://www.thejamushop.com/pictures/seaweed_whitening_cream.jpg

[BellaBellucci]

Spend some time in Asia. The racism and xenophobia is really shocking sometimes.

You don't need to go there. They come to this country and behave in exactly the same fashion. Many minorities do. So much for the 'melting pot.'

~BB~

[Remy757Photog]

I quoted the exact passage to which I was responding. You might want to read it again. You said that people who deny race issues are the problem (and clearly the Zimmerman case is the context), and I'm saying those who overreact to them are the problem. As to racism, most people don't know this, but I most certainly have experienced it. I grew up around nearly all black people. Many were even kind enough to take in when I was homeless. However, they were nearly all criminals, and I certainly felt the guilt by association. The funny thing is, I can take the same people to an upscale dinner, dressed-up and well mannered, and nobody is going to bat an eye. As I've said, that goes to class, not race.

~BB~

PS: I'm not 'white' anywhere but in the U.S. I'm Sicilian.




Wait, you don't think that their is a race issue as a nation?? You wouldn't call the current state of immigration laws directed specifically toward Hispanics a race issue? How about the fact that Obama was the first black president, and also the first president whose place of birth was, wait actually still is, called into question despite his Hawaiian birth certificate. Nobody questioned where Bush was born... Last year there was a black man who was beaten by white kids riding around in a pick up truck in the South. Also in the south, there was a black man who was ran down while walking home by white kids in a car, they had to cross two lanes to hit him. I think people choose not to see what they don't want to acknowledge.

I do agree that there are class issues as well though.

That is what I said specifically about race issues and my examples that I chose to mention. I never once mentioned anything about Zimmerman, there is no context whatsoever about Zimmerman from me. I further went on to say later that any race can be racist, and that Native Americans also experience racism by having sports teams called Redskins.

It was LilyRox that brought up her own statement about Zimmerman not me by saying


Just like that Trayvon Martin case, everyone tries to make everything about race. All I ever hear is that it was white on black. Like really... The dude is Hispanic he doesn't even look white. It's just one of those things where Trayvon and Zimmerman were at the wrong place at the wrong time. To be honest I think Zimmerman would have confronted anyone walking out there at that time of night, regardless of race.

Just because LilyRox decides to bring up Zimmerman, doesn't mean that I or my statements have anything to do with it. I never once even responded to LilyRox. I never once called Zimmerman white or expressed any opinion on the Zimmerman trial.

Now you keep going back and forth, saying one moment racism doesn't exist at all (but sexism does), and the next pointing out a specific personal example of what you described as racism. How can you have experienced it if it doesn't exist?

[BellaBellucci]

Remy, I addressed the first passage that you quoted, point for point if you go back in the thread. And I never said you brought up Zimmerman. I'm saying that the case has provided the undertone of this conversation. It's only one example. There were a few others, none of which negate the principle which I am arguing: that this is about class, not race.

~BB~

[robertlouis]

Negative feedback is only useful if offered constructively and with a degree of manners and civility.

Thank you Seanchai. That pretty much sums up the daily battle here to combat the loudmouths who denigrate the girls.

[Remy757Photog]

Remy, I addressed the first passage that you quoted, point for point if you go back in the thread. And I never said you brought up Zimmerman. I'm saying that the case has provided the undertone of this conversation. It's only one example. There were a few others, none of which negate the principle which I am arguing: that this is about class, not race.

~BB~

Well to be clear, this thread was started over race not class. I do also agree again, that many issues are class issues and not necessarily race issues. What I did disagree on, was the fact that you stated there is no racism at all in America. Do you believe that when a person uses the term 'nigger', 'redskin' it is solely a class issue, and therefore not racist even if they are both of the same class? How was people demanding to see Obama birth certificate a class issue and not a race issue? No one asked to see Sarah Palin birth certificate, or Bush Sr birth certificate.

You did say that Zimmerman was the context for what I was responding to when that was NOT the case.

[BellaBellucci]

Well to be clear, this thread was started over race not class. I do also agree again, that many issues are class issues and not necessarily race issues. What I did disagree on, was the fact that you stated there is no racism at all in America. Do you believe that when a person uses the term 'nigger', 'redskin' it is solely a class issue, and therefore not racist even if they are both of the same class? How was people demanding to see Obama birth certificate a class issue and not a race issue? No one asked to see Sarah Palin birth certificate, or Bush Sr birth certificate.

You did say that Zimmerman was the context for what I was responding to when that was NOT the case.

I am in NO way saying that racism doesn't exist anymore. I told you I've experienced it first hand. What I'm saying is that racism is no longer systematically ingrained in American culture as it once was.

But don't worry, the knuckle-dragger assholes will die off soon enough. :dancing:

As to the Zimmerman thing, I'm sorry if that wasn't your context. It's been a confusing thread. :lol:

~BB~