Jane Marie going post op

[Corran]

Not really. I just want to see how long it takes some members...*cough* Spanklin *cough* to jump in and start bitching about her ruining the career she's already retired from.



Yea, I'm bored.

[dderek123]

Lol Spanklin. That should be his new name.

[my my my!]

Franklin's threads > this troll thread

[Corran]

As for the name Spanklin all I'll say is...I've run across a bunch of forums similar to this one where he posts..so dude must watch a hella lot of porn...

[dderek123]

Takes one to know one ;)

[MrsKellyPierce]

As a businesswoman he obviously spends a lot of money on porn..so let him be him lol

[Ms.Stepford]

That's a really good point. Spank away!

[bassman2546]

Dibs on her cock. :dancing:

[dderek123]

Spankers gonna spank.

[danthepoetman]

Guys, why don't we give Franklin a break, a little? He knows what he loves and is curious and investigative! We can't blame anyone for being passionate!
Franklin makes a matter of business out of this. What I really dislike is the guys who blame girls for having srs just because their little cock fantasy is shattered. That, to me, is really outraging.
I often have the feeling that whenever Franklin starts a thread, no matter how interresting the question might be, we all get along to joyfully stone him... But he does often ask very interresting questions, no?
:2cent

[nysprod]

That's a really good point. Spank away!

You just really love that, huh baby?

[christianxxx]

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[Prospero]

wow.... that's a very hostile post Cristian. Why can't you guys just get along.....lol

[flabbybody]

Dibs on her cock. :dancing:
LOL. they don't really cut it off, it's inverted inward.... sorta
Nice avatar

[youngblood61]

Spanklin lol!

[TSPornFan]

Not really. I just want to see how long it takes some members...*cough* Spanklin *cough* to jump in and start bitching about her ruining the career she's already retired from.



Yea, I'm bored.

First off, I don't have a problem with Kimber having SRS. It's her body and her choice! I've never criticized her for having SRS.

However, it is well known among people in the industry that most TS pornstars' careers end after SRS. The market for post op TS women is much smaller than the market for pre op TS women.

I remember Kelly Pierce posting in a thread that SRS is a bad business move if a TS woman still wants to work in porn.

Who hires a post op pornstar? Grooby and SMC are the only two companies in the past few years who have booked a post pornstar. Both companies have shot post op Danielle Fox. Grooby shot the post op woman who appeared on MTV's True Life. Most post op girls will have more problems finding work. I am sure Kimber James could break this trend if she would be willing to shot for other companies besides her site and SMC.

[youngblood61]

That might be the mistake these ladies are making staying in TS porn. Imo they are no longer TS once they have the surgery.

[danthepoetman]

If only there was something dedicated to girls who had srs, like Ladyboy Pussy, from Asia.
What's most troubling with this is that any of these girls would make a fabulous porn carreer after srs if she wasn't known as a t-girl. They're every bit as lovely as any g-girl. It's just that a large part of their followers are into their cocks.

[Ms.Stepford]

You just really love that, huh baby?

I really do. It's not an act ;)

[flabbybody]

If only there was something dedicated to girls who had srs, like Ladyboy Pussy, from Asia.
What's most troubling with this is that any of these girls would make a fabulous porn carreer after srs if she wasn't known as a t-girl. They're every bit as lovely as any g-girl. It's just that a large part of their followers are into their cocks.
I would guess that for many of them porn is simply the fastest track to their SRS, and once that goal has been achieved they're happy to exit the biz.

[Westheangelino]

She doesn't top, so whoopty shit

[nysprod]

I really do. It's not an act ;)

Of course baby...warm up that nice ass of yours with a few smacks and stroke your cock...when it's nice and hard, you're ready to get pounded like the bad girl you are...

[danthepoetman]

I would guess that for many of them porn is simply the fastest track to their SRS, and once that goal has been achieved they're happy to exit the biz.
I think you're right, Flabbybody: that's what we hear often indeed. Once it's done, they just want the regular life of a regular woman. And that's perfectly understandable.
But you know, there is no such route, right now. They just don't have this possibility. So I'm wondering... What if they could still do some porn from time to time after srs? What if there was a working site or a market of this kind established?

[danthepoetman]

I really do. It's not an act ;)
This said with this avatar, and blood tends to dangerously accumulate in mostly one part of our anatomy. You're a dangerous lady, Trixi! But we like it that way! :)

[f-finger]

If only there was something dedicated to girls who had srs, like Ladyboy Pussy, from Asia.
What's most troubling with this is that any of these girls would make a fabulous porn carreer after srs if she wasn't known as a t-girl. They're every bit as lovely as any g-girl. It's just that a large part of their followers are into their cocks.

The number of trannies who are cpable of passing as women for a straight audience is already very small.

Out of that number, an even smaller number has convincingly looking man made snatches.

What some don't seem to understand is, straight audiences generally don't share the view that a cut up, inverted penis that in the luckiest cases looks close to natural pussy is equal to the natural thing.

Some have tried to cross over, and usually disappeared very quickly.

It's a tough world out there, just take any girl out of a current Hustler issue, and she is at least equally hot and sexy as the 10% of hottest trannies out there.

[robertlouis]

Guys, why don't we give Franklin a break, a little? He knows what he loves and is curious and investigative! We can't blame anyone for being passionate!
Franklin makes a matter of business out of this. What I really dislike is the guys who blame girls for having srs just because their little cock fantasy is shattered. That, to me, is really outraging.
I often have the feeling that whenever Franklin starts a thread, no matter how interresting the question might be, we all get along to joyfully stone him... But he does often ask very interresting questions, no?
:2cent



I agree with all of this post, Dan, but the piece in bold in particular. Drives me crazy too.

[robertlouis]

That might be the mistake these ladies are making staying in TS porn. Imo they are no longer TS once they have the surgery.

Depends on how you define it, Youngblood. Having surgery to change a penis to a vagina doesn't alter the fact that the individual was born male and will therefore remain trans whatever their genital arrangements. The fact that having the surgery is almost certainly the result of a compelling personal desire to match their body to their mind doesn't alter that.

But in most cases, it makes them happy. Their porn career has served its purpose and now they can get on with their lives. I rejoice for every one of them who makes that final change.

[danthepoetman]

The number of trannies who are cpable of passing as women for a straight audience is already very small.
Out of that number, an even smaller number has convincingly looking man made snatches.
What some don't seem to understand is, straight audiences generally don't share the view that a cut up, inverted penis that in the luckiest cases looks close to natural pussy is equal to the natural thing.
Some have tried to cross over, and usually disappeared very quickly.
It's a tough world out there, just take any girl out of a current Hustler issue, and she is at least equally hot and sexy as the 10% of hottest trannies out there.
This is such an outraging, disgusting post, I feel discouraged at the perspective of responding to it.
Man! what are you doing on this site? Why are you not on a gay site? Accept who and what you are, and stop dumping on transsexual women! You don't like women, man! you like cocks! This is a fan site. This is a site where we celebrate transsexual women and exchange with them. You're telling them, right now, all of them, not just the porn performers, but to all of these women, that only a minuscule portion of them can "pass" in society; because if they can't pass on film, it implicitely means that they will pass even less in the company of people. You are telling them that their organs after srs are only and will always only be inverted penises, and that in the end, nothing can make out of them complete, real women... You're also telling all of them that if they go through with what most of them want to go through with, srs, they wont present any interrest to anyone anymore, not to straight people and not to... let's say "shemales fans" like yourself. And you add to all of this wonderfully open-minded rhetoric that it's useless for them to entertain the hope of blending in, because only 10% not of all of them, but only 10% of the "hottest of them" could be as cute as ANY girl in Hustler magazine. If that's not hateful and malintentioned, I just don't know what is. Do you even stop to think about what you're writing? This is litterally pure hate. I would encourage you to just get out of your little fantasy world or your warm little masturbation bubble, and have a look around you at the average woman, but I don't think it's necessary, since such hate and blindness can only come from enormous frustration at seeing your cock fantasy and your comfortable straight facade be shaken by transsexual women going through with reassignment surgery.
It's the second or third such post that you made recently. What the fuck is wrong with you, man? Is the fact that there's a screen in front of you, the fact that your messages are transmitted through writings or the fact that you're expressing yourself through the same device in which you live this bubbled fantasy, that allow you to not realize that you're talking directly to transsexual women here, exactly as if they were with you, somewhere, as if there was several of them in the same room as you are? This is not just a fantasy: you are talking to people, here! Real people! with dreams and feelings and hopes, and parents and friends. People who live with the hope of one day be women like any other woman despite incredible odds and crushing pressure from society. People who suffer enough as is without being dumped on and verbally abused. People just like you, man, who do not want to see others try to depreciate everything to what they hold so dear to in their life.

It's strange, I have the feeling that you have very little experience with women in general. And of course even less with t-women, no? Get out of the bubble, a little, and try to exchange with real people, from time to time!

[MacShreach]

This is such an outraging, disgusting post, I feel discouraged at the perspective of responding to it.
Man! what are you doing on this site? Why are you not on a gay site? Accept who and what you are, and stop dumping on transsexual women! You don't like women, man! you like cocks! This is a fan site. This is a site where we celebrate transsexual women and exchange with them. You're telling them, right now, all of them, not just the porn performers, but to all of these women, that only a minuscule portion of them can "pass" in society; because if they can't pass on film, it implicitely means that they will pass even less in the company of people. You are telling them that their organs after srs are only and will always only be inverted penises, and that in the end, nothing can make out of them complete, real women... You're also telling all of them that if they go through with what most of them want to go through with, srs, they wont present any interrest to anyone anymore, not to straight people and not to... let's say "shemales fans" like yourself. And you add to all of this wonderfully open-minded rhetoric that it's useless for them to entertain the hope of blending in, because only 10% not of all of them, but only 10% of the "hottest of them" could be as cute as ANY girl in Hustler magazine. If that's not hateful and malintentioned, I just don't know what is. Do you even stop to think about what you're writing? This is litterally pure hate. I would encourage you to just get out of your little fantasy world or your warm little masturbation bubble, and have a look around you at the average woman, but I don't think it's necessary, since such hate and blindness can only come from enormous frustration at seeing your cock fantasy and your comfortable straight facade be shaken by transsexual women going through with reassignment surgery.
It's the second or third such post that you made recently. What the fuck is wrong with you, man? Is the fact that there's a screen in front of you, the fact that your messages are transmitted through writings or the fact that you're expressing yourself through the same device in which you live this bubbled fantasy, that allow you to not realize that you're talking directly to transsexual women here, exactly as if they were with you, somewhere, as if there was several of them in the same room as you are? This is not just a fantasy: you are talking to people, here! Real people! with dreams and feelings and hopes, and parents and friends. People who live with the hope of one day be women like any other woman despite incredible odds and crushing pressure from society. People who suffer enough as is without being dumped on and verbally abused. People just like you, man, who do not want to see others try to depreciate everything to what they hold so dear to in their life.

It's strange, I have the feeling that you have very little experience with women in general. And of course even less with t-women, no? Get out of the bubble, a little, and try to exchange with real people, from time to time!

Thank you Dan. The transphobe known as f-finger was needing that.

Btw Bonne Fete de la Revolution! C'est genial ici!

[amberskyi]

This is such an outraging, disgusting post, I feel discouraged at the perspective of responding to it.
Man! what are you doing on this site? Why are you not on a gay site? Accept who and what you are, and stop dumping on transsexual women! You don't like women, man! you like cocks! This is a fan site. This is a site where we celebrate transsexual women and exchange with them. You're telling them, right now, all of them, not just the porn performers, but to all of these women, that only a minuscule portion of them can "pass" in society; because if they can't pass on film, it implicitely means that they will pass even less in the company of people. You are telling them that their organs after srs are only and will always only be inverted penises, and that in the end, nothing can make out of them complete, real women... You're also telling all of them that if they go through with what most of them want to go through with, srs, they wont present any interrest to anyone anymore, not to straight people and not to... let's say "shemales fans" like yourself. And you add to all of this wonderfully open-minded rhetoric that it's useless for them to entertain the hope of blending in, because only 10% not of all of them, but only 10% of the "hottest of them" could be as cute as ANY girl in Hustler magazine. If that's not hateful and malintentioned, I just don't know what is. Do you even stop to think about what you're writing? This is litterally pure hate. I would encourage you to just get out of your little fantasy world or your warm little masturbation bubble, and have a look around you at the average woman, but I don't think it's necessary, since such hate and blindness can only come from enormous frustration at seeing your cock fantasy and your comfortable straight facade be shaken by transsexual women going through with reassignment surgery.
It's the second or third such post that you made recently. What the fuck is wrong with you, man? Is the fact that there's a screen in front of you, the fact that your messages are transmitted through writings or the fact that you're expressing yourself through the same device in which you live this bubbled fantasy, that allow you to not realize that you're talking directly to transsexual women here, exactly as if they were with you, somewhere, as if there was several of them in the same room as you are? This is not just a fantasy: you are talking to people, here! Real people! with dreams and feelings and hopes, and parents and friends. People who live with the hope of one day be women like any other woman despite incredible odds and crushing pressure from society. People who suffer enough as is without being dumped on and verbally abused. People just like you, man, who do not want to see others try to depreciate everything to what they hold so dear to in their life.

It's strange, I have the feeling that you have very little experience with women in general. And of course even less with t-women, no? Get out of the bubble, a little, and try to exchange with real people, from time to time!

Really sucks how it seems that allot of men into ts girls treat us if we are second class to a gg ("the real thing") and than wonder why so many ts have issues with men

[Mr. Sinister]

Really sucks how it seems that allot of men into ts girls treat us if we are second class to a gg ("the real thing") and than wonder why so many ts have issues with men

Amber,

I want to start off by saying that you are absolutely gorgeous. Second, there are a lot of men like myself who prefer post-op transsexual women. I have no interest in penis and view transsexual women as complete women. When Kimber James got her sexual reassignment surgery, I was extremely happy she got her surgery. To me, transsexual women are complete women. I hope you will try to find men like myself who are strictly masculine tops and have zero interest in penis.

[Mr. Sinister]

I know that a lot of the cock hounds will be disappointed, but some of the biggest names in transsexual porn want to get sexual reassignment surgery and want to retire from porn.

Jane Marie- Will get SRS
Mia Isabella- Will get SRS
Amy Daly- Will get SRS
Hazel Tucker- Will get SRS
Domino Pressely- Will get SRS

Just as with Gia Darling, Kimber James, Mia Fever, Alexia Acosta (Giselle), and Danielle Foxxx, I look forward to seeing these beautiful transsexual women completing their journey to full womanhood!

[MacShreach]

I know that a lot of the cock hounds will be disappointed, but some of the biggest names in transsexual porn want to get sexual reassignment surgery and want to retire from porn.

Jane Marie- Will get SRS
Mia Isabella- Will get SRS
Amy Daly- Will get SRS
Hazel Tucker- Will get SRS
Domino Pressely- Will get SRS

Just as with Gia Darling, Kimber James, Mia Fever, Alexia Acosta (Giselle), and Danielle Foxxx, I look forward to seeing these beautiful transsexual women completing their journey to full womanhood!


Good for them

[nysprod]

Good for them

I agree, whatever someone wants to do is their business. But it's not as cut and dried as that.

These people made their living with their dicks...they put them out there like products. Consumers liked what they were selling and bought it. But then if they like it too much they're cockhounds.

If Mia, or Domino, or whomever, were say musicians or writers and were known to be transgender, people being interested in them for their dicks would be a bit out there. But they're not.

So it's like "Yeah You Want This" until they don't want it anymore. And then there's something wrong with you if you still want it.

[MacShreach]

I agree, whatever someone wants to do is their business. But it's not as cut and dried as that.

These people made their living with their dicks...they put them out there like products. Consumers liked what they were selling and bought it. But then if they like it too much they're cockhounds.

If Mia, or Domino, or whomever, were say musicians or writers and were known to be transgender, people being interested in them for their dicks would be a bit out there. But they're not.

So it's like "Yeah You Want This" until they don't want it anymore. And then there's something wrong with you if you still want it.

TBH...1 the women are people, not objects and 2...anyone who does not realise that a significant number of transwomen (not all) will jump at SRS just as soon as they have the wherewithal, is being terminally naive. Enjoy it while it's on offer, be nice when it isn't...and that way everyone will get along fine

There's always gong to be new talent and established girls who don't want to have SRS. Yes, some of the most attractive ones do--you don't see some correlation?

Nway I have to get back to the party now...

[youngblood61]

I know that a lot of the cock hounds will be disappointed, but some of the biggest names in transsexual porn want to get sexual reassignment surgery and want to retire from porn.

Jane Marie- Will get SRS
Mia Isabella- Will get SRS
Amy Daly- Will get SRS
Hazel Tucker- Will get SRS
Domino Pressely- Will get SRS

Just as with Gia Darling, Kimber James, Mia Fever, Alexia Acosta (Giselle), and Danielle Foxxx, I look forward to seeing these beautiful transsexual women completing their journey to full womanhood!That's alot of current favorites!

[danthepoetman]

Really sucks how it seems that allot of men into ts girls treat us if we are second class to a gg ("the real thing") and than wonder why so many ts have issues with men
I see it clearly now, Amber. I do. I never would have envision it before comming here on HA. Never. I now understand perfectly. I'm sorry if I ever was sceptical or if I have been critical (and I might have been a few times when I first arrived). I totally understand the issues you might have, and how sometimes, you can get so tired and mad at such attitudes.


Thank you Dan. The transphobe known as f-finger was needing that.

Btw Bonne Fete de la Revolution! C'est genial ici!
Merci, mon ami! :) Bonne fête si vous célébrez aussi!

[danthepoetman]

TBH...1 the women are people, not objects and 2...anyone who does not realise that a significant number of transwomen (not all) will jump at SRS just as soon as they have the wherewithal, is being terminally naive. Enjoy it while it's on offer, be nice when it isn't...and that way everyone will get along fine
There's always gong to be new talent and established girls who don't want to have SRS. Yes, some of the most attractive ones do--you don't see some correlation?
Nway I have to get back to the party now...
Very well said, Mac.
Besides, Nysprod, keep in mind that the "product" they "put out" is not their dick, for Christ's sake, it's themselves as women with a little extra. If you chose to see their dicks as "the product", it's YOU'RE PARTICULAR VISION OR FEELING! Not theirs...
They're women who most of the time HAVE no choice but to do porn to be able to go through the changes they absolutely need!! They don't go into porn to proudly show their dicks!
And you see, that's precisely the problem: stop seeing the God damn dick, and see the girl, a little! see the woman!

[nysprod]

TBH

the women are people, not objects



You're projecting...I never said women were objects...but porn is the business of objectifying gentials, sex acts, etc. It's their product.




Nysprod, keep in mind that the "product" they "put out" is not their dick, for Christ's sake, it's themselves as women with a little extra.



Dan's a romantic, which is fine...I'm a cold, hard realist. Dan views things through rose-tinted glasses, which for all I know may be the better way...I see things in black and white.



They're women who most of the time HAVE no choice but to do porn to be able to go through the changes they absolutely need!! They don't go into porn to proudly show their dicks!


Definitely true for some, but not for all. No question it's difficult for many to find legitimate work, and many come from areas where there is little opportunity for education, etc. for anyone.

But there are some who get a thrill from porn and the level of fame it brings, so they do get caught up in that as well.

[danthepoetman]

Dan's a romantic, which is fine...I'm a cold, hard realist. Dan views things through rose-tinted glasses, which for all I know may be the better way...I see things in black and white.

No, Nysprod, I'm not a romantic. I'm just respectful. I see people, not objects or singular elements of anatomy. I don't let my fantasy take a hold of my perspective to the point where I stop seeing people. You see, that's the problem. These girls go into porn as people; if some of them only see their cocks and not them as people, there is just something wrong with their perspective.
If you mean by being realistic, that I have to see that a majority of men who like t-porn primarely love cocks, well, I see that as much as you do, Nysprod, and I do acknowledge that. But that's a fantasy! Here on HA, we are engaging real transsexual women, they grant us the priviledge of their presence and exchange with us. We have to step out of the fantasy and meet reality, the reality of real people. Transsexual women are not futanaris!
Understand that I don't have anything against guys who entertain the cock girls fantasy. Nothing. It's OK. Anyone can have the fantasy he or she wants to have. But when you meet and encounter people, and even only when you voice an opinion, you have to step out of that fantasy and start seeing real people!
You see the difference?
And you know, not only is it a matter of respect, it's a matter of sanity! That's precisely the problem with sex offenders: they're almost always people who just can't find the line delimitating fantasy from reality. They just loose it. And don't get me wrong: I'm not making a necessary link between cockhounds and sex offences. But there is the same kind of blurriness in seeing and understanding what is what, and the same kind of frustration sometimes, in front of reality...

[dderek123]

Dan's a romantic, which is fine...I'm a cold, hard realist. Dan views things through rose-tinted glasses, which for all I know may be the better way...I see things in black and white.


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[amberskyi]

No, Nysprod, I'm not a romantic. I'm just respectful. I see people, not objects or singular elements of anatomy. I don't let my fantasy take a hold of my perspective to the point where I stop seeing people. You see, that's the problem. These girls go into porn as people; if some of them only see their cocks and not them as people, there is just something wrong with their perspective.
If you mean by being realistic, that I have to see that a majority of men who like t-porn primarely love cocks, well, I see that as much as you do, Nysprod, and I do acknowledge that. But that's a fantasy! Here on HA, we are engaging real transsexual women, they grant us the priviledge of their presence and exchange with us. We have to step out of the fantasy and meet reality, the reality of real people. Transsexual women are not futanaris!
Understand that I don't have anything against guys who entertain the cock girls fantasy. Nothing. It's OK. Anyone can have the fantasy he or she wants to have. But when you meet and encounter people, and even only when you voice an opinion, you have to step out of that fantasy and start seeing real people!
You see the difference?
And you know, not only is it a matter of respect, it's a matter of sanity! That's precisely the problem with sex offenders: they're almost always people who just can't find the line delimitating fantasy from reality. They just loose it. And don't get me wrong: I'm not making a necessary link between cockhounds and sex offences. But there is the same kind of blurriness in seeing and understanding what is what, and the same kind of frustration sometimes, in front of reality...

Just wow dan :)

[fred41]

Wow is right...that was a very nice post Dan.

[dderek123]

Yep well said Dan.

[danthepoetman]

Thanks, guys... :)

[robertlouis]

Yes Dan, you're speaking for me and many others here, who get endlessly dumped on as ass-kissers for the sin of merely recognising and celebrating that the girls we admire are women, and not just a carbon-based life form that exists only because it has a dick attached, which appears to be the most extreme but sadly all too often expressed form of cockhoundry.

Some guys like to fetishise the cock, and I suspect they're in the majority here, but many of us don't. We love all women, some of them have cocks, most of them don't. That's it. It's a matter of respect.

And I get a kick whenever I hear that another girl has had srs and achieved that ultimate step towards true womanhood. That, gentlemen, is the life aim of most girls, and I speak with the happy experience of knowing in the main girls who live (I hate the word but it's useful shorthand) "stealth" lives. If you knew transwomen in real life you wouldn't write the unfeeling and crass shit that many of you do time after time after time.

And porn? It's a means to an end, no more, no less.

[dderek123]

We are, afterall, conducting this discussion in TS pornography themed internet message board. So the objectifying, fetishizing and all that douchebaggery is kind of par for the course. Not saying it's right. But just saying it's not really a surprise.

[Ms.Stepford]

I look forward to seeing these beautiful transsexual women completing their journey to full womanhood!


....srs and achieved that ultimate step towards true womanhood...

This is bullshit wording, boys. A girl going under the knife doesn't make her any more of a woman. There is nothing about the process which gives her any more of a realization of true womanhood, and it doesn't make a girl any less of a woman if she chooses not to have it.

Our bodies are only so much of us, and we all have different relationships with ours.

[robertlouis]

This is bullshit wording, boys. A girl having her crotch cut apart and put back together different doesn't make her any more of a woman. There is nothing about the process which gives her any more of a realization of true womanhood, and it doesn't make a girl any less of a woman if she chooses not to have it.


I wouldn't disagree with you there, Trixi, but when you're defending the right of girls to choose SRS if they want it against a constant barrage of whining cockhounds for whom Kimber James is - real HA quotes - "dead to me" or "RIP", it only seems fair to redress the balance just a little. And I respect any girl who chooses not to have SRS every bit as much.

Hell, I respect and admire all transgirls. Like I've said before, my entry to the transgender world wasn't through porn but through working with a dear friend through her transition, so I understand the issues in three dimensions, not as dumb fantasies. That's the difference, I guess.

[danthepoetman]

Yes, Trixi, Robert Louis has constantly showed how much he really does respect transsexual women as women. He never, ever talks to the opposite and is always one of the first at the barricade, around here, when it comes to defend t-women against disputable or disgusting, transphobic views. I’m sure you know that yourself. Robert Louis is a man with deep respect and empathy. You might always find some sentences on my posts or any other, no matter how friendly or respectful the person is, that is not accurate in the wording, in your eyes, or even factually. But Robert Louis is certainly not one to be targeted for being transphobic on this forum… :)

And by God, Trixi, we both find you so adorable! Anybody anyways who wouldn't see you as being fully a woman would need to urgently see a shrink...

[Ms.Stepford]

I'm not throwing 'transphobe' around, hon, but it's bullshit wording nonetheless.

I ain't mad, it just needs to be said.

[robertlouis]

Yes, Trixi, Robert Louis has constantly showed how much he really does respect transsexual women as women. He never, ever talks to the opposite and is always one of the first at the barricade, around here, when it comes to defend t-women against disputable or disgusting, transphobic views. I’m sure you know that yourself. Robert Louis is a man with deep respect and empathy. You might always find some sentences on my posts or any other, no matter how friendly or respectful the person is, that is not accurate in the wording, in your eyes, or even factually. But Robert Louis is certainly not one to be targeted for being transphobic on this forum… :)

And by God, Trixi, we both find you so adorable! Anybody anyways who wouldn't see you as being fully a woman would need to urgently see a shrink...



That's very kind, Dan. I'm proud to call you friend. And on this day, Vive la France et tous ses enfants a quelque endroit on soit les trouver!

[robertlouis]

I'm not throwing 'transphobe' around, hon, but it's bullshit wording nonetheless.

I ain't mad, it just needs to be said.

Point taken, Trixi.

Peace.

[MacShreach]

I see it clearly now, Amber. I do. I never would have envision it before comming here on HA. Never. I now understand perfectly. I'm sorry if I ever was sceptical or if I have been critical (and I might have been a few times when I first arrived). I totally understand the issues you might have, and how sometimes, you can get so tired and mad at such attitudes.


Merci, mon ami! :) Bonne fête si vous célébrez aussi!


Mais ouai c'est la France profonde ici! On faisait la fete!

[Johnny.Blaze]

I know that a lot of the cock hounds will be disappointed, but some of the biggest names in transsexual porn want to get sexual reassignment surgery and want to retire from porn.

Jane Marie- Will get SRS
Mia Isabella- Will get SRS
Amy Daly- Will get SRS
Hazel Tucker- Will get SRS
Domino Pressely- Will get SRS

Just as with Gia Darling, Kimber James, Mia Fever, Alexia Acosta (Giselle), and Danielle Foxxx, I look forward to seeing these beautiful transsexual women completing their journey to full womanhood!

I find it absurd to call one a "Cock Hound" just because they would prefer a shemale to have a penis. Tell me something, what exactly made you attracted to the shemale porn in the first place? Just the sole idea that they where once full blown male? And don't tell me because it was their personality either...

[MacShreach]

I find it absurd to call one a "Cock Hound" just because they would prefer a shemale to have a penis. Tell me something, what exactly made you attracted to the shemale porn in the first place? Just the sole idea that they where once full blown male? And don't tell me because it was their personality either...

I do beg your pardon. It appears that some of us may have given you the wrong impression. There is, obviously, no offense meant by calling someone whose only interest in another human being is whether or not they have a functioning penis, a cock-hound. Far from it.

Furthermore, you may not realise this, but cock-hounds have special privileges. For example, they call transwomen 'shemales' and everybody thinks what nice guys they are, even when the term is a porn-industry epithet which many transwomen find deeply offensive.

On top of that, no-one thinks that their constantly-expressed desire for cock makes them any less men, or indeed, heaven forfend, the teeniest little bit gay, even if their most rapturous fantasy is to have their rears in the air being reamed by Ms Cordoba or someone of similar...talents...while screaming 'Fuck me fuck me I'm your bitch!'

The sweetener on the top, for cock-hounds, is that no one thinks they are being in the slightest bit presumptuous in projecting their own fantasies on others and claiming that those who do not share their fantasy or desires are either lying or stupid. No, no, it's quite all right, you know.

As well as which, no-one thinks it's in the slightest bit childish or selfish of cock-hounds to insult and demean transwomen who have taken a major, irreversible step that requires enormous strength of will and courage, instead of complimenting them on doing something that no cock-hound would ever have the courage to do.

Of course not, nor does anyone see anything even the slightest bit distasteful in a man who has never had to confront a question like that in his own life, planting the seeds of doubt in the mind of a vulnerable individual at an extremely delicate time when she really needs support.

It's absolutely fine for cock-hounds to let transwomen know that if they dare to have their SRS, then they will immediately be less than nothing to said cock-hound, and after the event, for them to go on reminding the women, for months or even years, how much more attractive and interesting the cock-hounds found them before.

No, no, this is all absolutely okay, you know, and nobody thinks any less of you for it.













Well, some people might not.:fu:

[Prospero]

Excellent post MacShreach... just as no one thinks people any the less decent human beings if they don't like jews....

[dderek123]

Once again this is a porn forum. Is it really surprising that this site isn't a paragon of civility and virtue?

[LibertyHarkness]

it is a porn forum correct :) i think some people do forget this sometimes ,, its mostly for guys jacking off to ts girls in porn, so obviously the cock is a big part of that fantasy or they wouldnt be on here.. also for girls like me that post, we are mostly here to sell our products and have some mild banter etc to entice you to buy/procure :)

A question could be asked to my fellow girls, "if you wasnt a TS in the adult industry (cam/escort/porn) would you visit a site like HA ? " myself the answer would be no . so therefore removing any of these types of conversations with people ..:)

Not saying i dont enjoy some people on here for some bantering etc , but for me this site is purely about commerical useage, the moment its of no revelance to me I will leave . Its the same with my twitter and facebook .. they are purely just commercial applications to enhance my work profitibility and interact with fans ..

Do i get upset if a fan whines i wanted to go Post OP, get bigger boobs, cut my ballsack off, change my hair etc , Not at all i couldnt really care less to be honest .. if i lose that fan its ok as i will have another 5 that will fill that spot .

Do I get offended by the "cockhounds" this term seems used alot .. for bashing on girls for not having a cock etc not at all at end of day I need these types of people to sell my content/escort/cam services to, and i sell my cock and tits setup to them per se :) .. so they are of usefulness at this stage . its like a symbiotic relationship .

in real life would i pass the time of day with someone that views me just as a cock on legs .. well I will leave that one upto you to figure out :) but online , on a sex forum hey its all good :) we all use each other on here :)

My ramblings lol ..

End of the day models come and models go , same as fans tastes come and go :) just enjoy :)

[Prospero]

Liberty. That's all good for you. But there are some girls on here who are not working girls and are not here for the same reasons as you. Your reasons are all perfectly honourable and i'm not in any way taking a shot at you (I like you way too much for that anyway) But I think the guys on here who shoot of their mouths against these girls if and when they say they are going post-op should shut up. There are amid the variety of people here some girls who are very vulnerable people... let the so-called "cockhounds_ enjoy the pornography, the pretty pics, the escort reviews and whatever but keep their comments zipped if a girl does decide to get SRS. You're made of pretty strong stuff emotionally. Not everyone is.

[Ms.Stepford]

Liberty. That's all good for you. But there are some girls on here who are not working girls and are not here for the same reasons as you. Your reasons are all perfectly honourable and i'm not in any way taking a shot at you (I like you way too much for that anyway) But I think the guys on here who shoot of their mouths against these girls if and when they say they are going post-op should shut up. There are amid the variety of people here some girls who are very vulnerable people... let the so-called "cockhounds_ enjoy the pornography, the pretty pics, the escort reviews and whatever but keep their comments zipped if a girl does decide to get SRS. You're made of pretty strong stuff emotionally. Not everyone is.

Honestly, though, I'd advise any young trans girl here seeking support and guidance to run the fuck away, find a support forum, and come back when they know who they are and what they want.

There are a lot of successfully transitioned or transitioning ladies here with lots of advice, but the signal-to-sexist-noise ratio is pretty steep, and this isn't the place for those susceptible to internalizing the prejudices and preferences of others.

[Prospero]

Yeah... you are right Trixi... so they need the likes of you to point them to the right corums

[Ms.Stepford]

Yeah, that internet scene can be just as dangerous, though.

Bitches crazy...

[dderek123]

Liberty. That's all good for you. But there are some girls on here who are not working girls and are not here for the same reasons as you. Your reasons are all perfectly honourable and i'm not in any way taking a shot at you (I like you way too much for that anyway) But I think the guys on here who shoot of their mouths against these girls if and when they say they are going post-op should shut up. There are amid the variety of people here some girls who are very vulnerable people... let the so-called "cockhounds_ enjoy the pornography, the pretty pics, the escort reviews and whatever but keep their comments zipped if a girl does decide to get SRS. You're made of pretty strong stuff emotionally. Not everyone is.

It's still a porn forum.

[MacShreach]

It's still a porn forum.
It is only partly a porn forum, and TBH although it is now owned by porn producers I don't see that it has radically shifted in that direction, which is to their credit. HA has always been about much more than porn and it would be a sad day if it ever became only about it.

There are a gazillion porn threads on here, which are very nice, but that's not all. And it's not just about sex or escorting either. HA has always had a different mix from other forums.

There are certainly more supportive forums for transwomen, but there are also many transwomen here whose need for support shouldn't just be ignored.

One, albeit unwritten (I think) rule that has been in place here since the beginning, which you must know, is 'If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing', and Prospero is right...cockhounds should just lay off ESPECIALLY AFTER the girl has had surgery. Nobody' s stopping them having fun in the appropriate threads, all we're saying is, can it in threads specifically about post-SRS women, please.

[BobicX]

I have hope that she won't do it. She is too short with us :(

[dderek123]

It is only partly a porn forum, and TBH although it is now owned by porn producers I don't see that it has radically shifted in that direction, which is to their credit. HA has always been about much more than porn and it would be a sad day if it ever became only about it.

There are a gazillion porn threads on here, which are very nice, but that's not all. And it's not just about sex or escorting either. HA has always had a different mix from other forums.

There are certainly more supportive forums for transwomen, but there are also many transwomen here whose need for support shouldn't just be ignored.

One, albeit unwritten (I think) rule that has been in place here since the beginning, which you must know, is 'If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing', and Prospero is right...cockhounds should just lay off ESPECIALLY AFTER the girl has had surgery. Nobody' s stopping them having fun in the appropriate threads, all we're saying is, can it in threads specifically about post-SRS women, please.

Yeah they are bothersome and impolite. Jeez I've seen worse on forums that are dedicated to personal computer hardware. So the butthurt is a bit much considering where we are on the interwebz. Just don't let it bother you too much.

If you were to go to 7-Eleven expecting a gourmet meal and a fancy glass of wine wouldn't that be a bit ridiculous?

[danthepoetman]

Derek, my friend, I just can't possibly see how the fact that this could be just and only a porn forum, should allow anyone on here to forget any kind of decency and respect to people and to people's feelings, especially women's feeling. Personally, I'll tell you respectfully that I can't see this as being a proper argument on the debate here, my friend.
Once again, we are exchanging with ladies who dream, for the large majority, not only of being recognized as women but also to have srs one day. It's just a matter of decency to keep this in mind and have basic respect in the way we formulate our opinions, or even not to present our opinions if they are offensive and hurtful.
There's a lot of space for fun on HA. You don't see anyone of us go to these numerous threads of "Big cock shemales" calling everybody cockhounds for their participation. You don't see anyone of us going around the site saying that guys who like to get penetrated are fags, or saying any similar denigrating and offensive terms to them. So why would it be ok and proper to be so extremely offensive to girls who are just realizing their dreams?
Why is it so bad to defend the girls and so ok to depreciate their values and hopes, or the physique they seek through surgery? Why is it so bad to tell someone who only see a cock instead of a girl, that he's a cockhound, and yet so proper to tell a girl that her srs makes her less than ordinary or competely uninterresting, or to imply in any way possible that she is not a "real" woman?

Besides, would I ask: what makes it so different because it's porn? Should we adopt a moralistic attitude and say that because it's porn, it's filth, and therefore we can just say whatever we want? I really don't get this argument. It sounds dangerously like a puritanistic christian argument to me... HA is definitely a place where you can appreciate porn and live your fantasy. And you can celebrate in images and in words what you like on the proper threads. But that shouldn't give anyone the right to present and defend offensive and shitty opinions, especially on threads where it is about a girl's dreams and values.
Once again, there's real people here! Let's celebrate our fantasies, but let's also make the difference between fantasy and reality when we express ourselves!

[MacShreach]

I have hope that she won't do it. She is too short with us :(
Oh just shut up FFS

[dderek123]

Derek, my friend, I just can't possibly see how the fact that this could be just and only a porn forum, should allow anyone on here to forget any kind of decency and respect to people and to people's feelings, especially women's feeling. Personally, I'll tell you respectfully that I can't see this as being a proper argument on the debate here, my friend.

Just suggesting people shouldn't let it bother them so much. Never mentioned anything about who is allowed to do what.



Once again, we are exchanging with ladies who dream, for the large majority, not only of being recognized as women but also to have srs one day. It's just a matter of decency to keep this in mind and have basic respect in the way we formulate our opinions, or even not to present our opinions if they are offensive and hurtful.
There's a lot of space for fun on HA. You don't see anyone of us go to these numerous threads of "Big cock shemales" calling everybody cockhounds for their participation. You don't see anyone of us going around the site saying that guys who like to get penetrated are fags, or saying any similar denigrating and offensive terms to them.

I do see that happen. Quite often actually.



So why would it be ok and proper to be so extremely offensive to girls who are just realizing their dreams?

Never said it was ok or proper. Just saying don't let it bother you so much by remembering that you're on a porn forum.



Why is it so bad to defend the girls and so ok to depreciate their values and hopes, or the physique they seek through surgery?

But does any of this really matter in the grand scheme of things? Get a grip Sir Whiteknight.



Why is it so bad to tell someone who only see a cock instead of a girl, that he's a cockhound, and yet so proper to tell a girl that her srs makes her less than ordinary or competely uninterresting, or to imply in any way possible that she is not a "real" woman?

I think both of those are bad. But hey all this crap on the internet doesn't really matter anyways. People who call me names to my face don't really bother me either.



Besides, would I ask: what makes it so different because it's porn?

Do I really need to explain that? Come on now. I'm saying lets be more realistic, relax and have fun.



Should we adopt a moralistic attitude and say that because it's porn, it's filth, and therefore we can just say whatever we want? I really don't get this argument. It sounds dangerously like a puritanistic christian argument to me...

Not saying that at all. I'm agnostic FYI not sure what you mean about puritanistic but more power to you big fella.


HA is definitely a place where you can appreciate porn and live your fantasy. And you can celebrate in images and in words what you like on the proper threads. But that shouldn't give anyone the right to present and defend offensive and shitty opinions, especially on threads where it is about a girl's dreams and values.
Once again, there's real people here! Let's celebrate our fantasies, but let's also make the difference between fantasy and reality when we express ourselves!
Yeah I'm all for what you mentioned. But hey this is a porn forum. Don't let the trolls get you down and try to have a good time. If whiteknighting is your idea of a good time that's great. But some people seem to be over-reacting to the knuckleheads around here. Just relax and have a good time.

[MacShreach]

Being decent and polite is not 'whiteknighting'. It's normal. And no I don't know about anyone else, butI'm not 'over-reacting'. Just reacting appropriately. And whether you like it or not, HA is not just a porn forum. Just the facts.

[TSPornFan]

Who cares if she goes post op? She has TONS of content, and more content than most T-Girls in porn. There will also be a new super popular T-Girl who will take Jane Marie's place eventually. We don't know when that will happen, but it will happen.

[danthepoetman]

Just suggesting people shouldn't let it bother them so much. [...] But some people seem to be over-reacting to the knuckleheads around here. Just relax and have a good time.
These are couter-arguments for you? You're not considering ANYTHING I've just said? Not any argument in there rings any kind of bell to you in any way? Is this some form of childish sulking or do you really feel you are responding to me there?

What the fuck is wrong with you? Is this frustration? Do you also have, as most of these cockhounds, your little cock fantasy shaken by the perspective of Jane Marie having srs? "Oh! yes, but it's a porn forum"... That's it? That's your whole take on this?
"It's not what I said, it's not what I said" are you essentially repeating without adressing the question one bit, which is SIMPLE FUCKING RESPECT FOR LADIES!! Is that too fucking much for you? Your mama never taught you any kind of politeness?

[dderek123]

These are couter-arguments for you? You're not considering ANYTHING I've just said? Not any argument in there rings any kind of bell to you in any way? Is this some form of childish sulking or do you really feel you are responding to me there?

What the fuck is wrong with you? Is this frustration? Do you also have, as most of these cockhounds, your little cock fantasy shaken by the perspective of Jane Marie having srs? "Oh! yes, but it's a porn forum"... That's it? That's your whole take on this?
"It's not what I said, it's not what I said" are you essentially repeating without adressing the question one bit, which is SIMPLE FUCKING RESPECT FOR LADIES!! Is that too fucking much for you? Your mama never taught you any kind of politeness?
Woah man. Guess I struck a nerve there. You're jumping to a lot conclusions there and calling me some really mean names. I'm shocked Dan. I respect people just fine. My response was clarifying my original post. I'm simply suggesting people relax and not take things so seriously around here. Because this is afterall this is a porn forum and none of this BS matters. Which is a concept that seems lost on you. haha

[TSPornFan]

There's nothing wrong with people being disappointed when a woman gets SRS. Afterall the penis was part of the fantasy. Please keep in mind that everyone is different. There are guys like myself who won't look at a pre op woman until she gets a boob job so it's not all about the cock. The cock is only a part of the equation.

I do not approve of some of the members insulting the women after getting SRS. It's their body and their choice.

[danthepoetman]

Woah man. Guess I struck a nerve there. You're jumping to a lot conclusions there and calling me some really mean names. I'm shocked Dan. I respect people just fine. My response was clarifying my original post. I'm simply suggesting people relax and not take things so seriously around here. Because this is afterall this is a porn forum and none of this BS matters. Which is a concept that seems lost on you. haha
No Derek, all you're doing is defending a bunch of offensive cockhounds. That's what you do. The point you wanted to make was that this is a porn forum which implied they were allowed to say whatever the fuck they want. Check back the thread from one reply to another! Or need I doing it myself?
This argument is bullshit, whatever way you consider it; stop trying to make it fit here; it just doesn't!
Christ, have a little respect, that's all, and stop defending some assholes not to simply be associated with them...

[nysprod]

No Derek, all you're doing is defending a bunch of offensive cockhounds. That's what you do. The point you wanted to make was that this is a porn forum which implied they were allowed to say whatever the fuck they want. Check back the thread from one reply to another! Or need I doing it myself?
This argument is bullshit, whatever way you consider it; stop trying to make it fit here; it just doesn't!
Christ, have a little respect, that's all, and stop defending some assholes not to simply be associated with them...

Dan, in all honesty, Derek sounds conciliatory...I think you're being a bit oversensitive.

[amberskyi]

There's nothing wrong with people being disappointed when a woman gets SRS. Afterall the penis was part of the fantasy. Please keep in mind that everyone is different. There are guys like myself who won't look at a pre op woman until she gets a boob job so it's not all about the cock. The cock is only a part of the equation.

I do not approve of some of the members insulting the women after getting SRS. It's their body and their choice.

The key weird there is fantasy.by definition its different from reality.
Ps.your the only guy i know who's so hung up on implants lol

[dderek123]

No Derek, all you're doing is defending a bunch of offensive cockhounds. That's what you do. The point you wanted to make was that this is a porn forum which implied they were allowed to say whatever the fuck they want. Check back the thread from one reply to another! Or need I doing it myself?
This argument is bullshit, whatever way you consider it; stop trying to make it fit here; it just doesn't!
Christ, have a little respect, that's all, and stop defending some assholes not to simply be associated with them...
I'm not actually defending them. Really man you keep making bullshit accusations while insisting I don't understand the discussion. I'm not even disagreeing with you that it's bad to be offensive or disrespectful bla bla. All I'm saying is relax this is a porn forum for shits and giggles so don't feed the trolls. I respect most people here but man you're acting a bit nutty.

[Ms.Stepford]

I can see both sides.

I appreciate being respected but I'm just trawling for assaholics anyway ;)

[danthepoetman]

I can see both sides.

I appreciate being respected but I'm just trawling for assaholics anyway ;)
What we want to see over and over again is that adorable little pink orifice of yours...

[Ms.Stepford]

Yeah, but then you fucks go and respect me for my intellect!

It's just soooo confusing.

[danthepoetman]

Yeah, but then you fucks go and respect me for my intellect!

It's just soooo confusing.
We want you body and soul, Trixi...

[Ms.Stepford]

Ha! Careful what you wish for. ;)

[nysprod]

Good...Dan's sobered up...

[dderek123]

Good...Dan's sobered up...

Maybe he had too much of his favourite whiskey ;)

[danthepoetman]

Maybe he had too much of his favourite whiskey ;)
Derek, I was not drunk (or if I was, it's irrelevant). On the contrary, if I jumped a little, it's precisely because I have a lot of fun with you, buddy, and because I hold you to be a really decent guy. Besides, you're a Canuck, and we Canucks usually learn to be decent and polite, so much so that people often find us boring. Now maybe I interpreted things a bit too seriously, here, maybe I extended my arguments a bit too much, and went too far on the wording (in which case I apologize to you), but lack of respect for girls is infuriating me, and I had the feeling that, by your position on this, you were defending to a certain extent, people who are making offensive comments. You told me it wasn't the case, I believed you and I shut up on the matter.
But you know, my friend, once again, the fact that this is a porn site, and that because of this, it would be less important or not that serious (an opinion that I don't share), really doesn't give us the right to be disrespectful and offensive to the girls. It's not whiteknighting, it's just human; we're interacting with people here. And some (not you) are really pissing me off with their denigrative comments.

As to your whiskey, you know what you can do with it, bad subject... lol ;)

[dderek123]

Derek, I was not drunk (or if I was, it's irrelevant). On the contrary, if I jumped a little, it's precisely because I have a lot of fun with you, buddy, and because I hold you to be a really decent guy. Besides, you're a Canuck, and we Canucks usually learn to be decent and polite, so much so that people often find us boring. Now maybe I interpreted things a bit too seriously, here, maybe I extended my arguments a bit too much, and went too far on the wording (in which case I apologize to you), but lack of respect for girls is infuriating me, and I had the feeling that, by your position on this, you were defending to a certain extent, people who are making offensive comments. You told me it wasn't the case, I believed you and I shut up on the matter.
But you know, my friend, once again, the fact that this is a porn site, and that because of this, it would be less important or not that serious (an opinion that I don't share), really doesn't give us the right to be disrespectful and offensive to the girls. It's not whiteknighting, it's just human; we're interacting with people here. And some (not you) are really pissing me off with their denigrative comments.

As to your whiskey, you know what you can do with it, bad subject... lol ;)

Cool beans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTMT_eVOKdw

[robertlouis]

Derek, I was not drunk (or if I was, it's irrelevant). On the contrary, if I jumped a little, it's precisely because I have a lot of fun with you, buddy, and because I hold you to be a really decent guy. Besides, you're a Canuck, and we Canucks usually learn to be decent and polite, so much so that people often find us boring. Now maybe I interpreted things a bit too seriously, here, maybe I extended my arguments a bit too much, and went too far on the wording (in which case I apologize to you), but lack of respect for girls is infuriating me, and I had the feeling that, by your position on this, you were defending to a certain extent, people who are making offensive comments. You told me it wasn't the case, I believed you and I shut up on the matter.
But you know, my friend, once again, the fact that this is a porn site, and that because of this, it would be less important or not that serious (an opinion that I don't share), really doesn't give us the right to be disrespectful and offensive to the girls. It's not whiteknighting, it's just human; we're interacting with people here. And some (not you) are really pissing me off with their denigrative comments.

As to your whiskey, you know what you can do with it, bad subject... lol ;)

:iagree: All power to your eloquent and malt-greased elbow, mon brave. Fine post.

And Derek, I can understand your position too, but speaking as the self-deposed "king of the ass-kissers", I'm wholeheartedly with Dan. The attacks on those of us who defend the girls are pretty disgraceful, and rarely provoked. A little human decency can go a long, long way, especially with vulnerable human beings who deserve our support, not condemnation.

[danthepoetman]

Cool beans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTMT_eVOKdw
LOL!! Cool beans! ...



:iagree: All power to your eloquent and malt-greased elbow, mon brave. Fine post.
And Derek, I can understand your position too, but speaking as the self-deposed "king of the ass-kissers", I'm wholeheartedly with Dan. The attacks on those of us who defend the girls are pretty disgraceful, and rarely provoked. A little human decency can go a long, long way, especially with vulnerable human beings who deserve our support, not condemnation.
Thank you, my friend...

[dderek123]

Agree to disagree I guess then. Let's be friends.

[more cowbell]

If that's what she wants, then by all means. But personally, I would hate to see her do it. She is the quintessential epitome of PERFECTION. I'm not knockin' here decision if that's what she wants. It's just my two cents. But I still remember when I first came across her online. I literally almost shit my pants with how flawless every square inch of her body was.

[MacShreach]

If that's what she wants, then by all means. But personally, I would hate to see her do it. She is the quintessential epitome of PERFECTION. I'm not knockin' here decision if that's what she wants. It's just my two cents. But I still remember when I first came across her online. I literally almost shit my pants with how flawless every square inch of her body was.
You did ? Better not ever meet her in real then huh?:dead:

[robertlouis]

If that's what she wants, then by all means. But personally, I would hate to see her do it. She is the quintessential epitome of PERFECTION. I'm not knockin' here decision if that's what she wants. It's just my two cents. But I still remember when I first came across her online. I literally almost shit my pants with how flawless every square inch of her body was.

Literally? You need help.

[danthepoetman]

If that's what she wants, then by all means. But personally, I would hate to see her do it. She is the quintessential epitome of PERFECTION. I'm not knockin' here decision if that's what she wants. It's just my two cents. But I still remember when I first came across her online. I literally almost shit my pants with how flawless every square inch of her body was.
What is implicit in what you're saying, More cobweb, is that if she looses her penis and balls, she won't be perfect anymore, she will downgrade, she will be less than perfect. Her dick is THAT important to you...
I'm affraid you can't pretend, if you ever have, that you love women, do you? If you are one of these guys who assures everbody and convinces himself that he's not gay because he doesn't like men, I'm affraid this statement just blew your cover...

Jane Marie is indeed perfect, buddy, and she would obviously remain perfect with a pussy! Get real! Think a little before you write!

[more cowbell]

Haha. Ive read many of your posts where the three of you attack others posts. It really is comical. More than likely a few middle aged losers that never could make it socially in real life, so you resort to building up some fake online persona. Hilarious that you think you a damn thing about me. By the way, Dan, ive seen you posting/replying positively to pics of tgirls with their cocks showing in the pic. I guess your cover is also blown. You must never have really liked women. Do u realize how fucking stupid you sound ssaying that kind of shit? Not to mention, all three of you stooges are like parrots saying this same shit over and over to anyone that thinks like me, when in reality, i would be surprised if you, curly and moe feel the same way. Here's an idea, piss off and try to live I reality a bit. It's good for your mental health.

[runningdownthatdream]

Haha. Ive read many of your posts where the three of you attack others posts. It really is comical. More than likely a few middle aged losers that never could make it socially in real life, so you resort to building up some fake online persona. Hilarious that you think you a damn thing about me. By the way, Dan, ive seen you posting/replying positively to pics of tgirls with their cocks showing in the pic. I guess your cover is also blown. You must never have really liked women. Do u realize how fucking stupid you sound ssaying that kind of shit? Not to mention, all three of you stooges are like parrots saying this same shit over and over to anyone that thinks like me, when in reality, i would be surprised if you, curly and moe feel the same way. Here's an idea, piss off and try to live I reality a bit. It's good for your mental health.

Look here cobweb, you're new to this board so it's not prudent to be hurling insults around. You definitely came across as a being a little obsessed with cock and not your own cock at that.

[nysprod]

What is implicit in what you're saying, More cobweb, is that if she looses her penis and balls, she won't be perfect anymore, she will downgrade, she will be less than perfect. Her dick is THAT important to you...
I'm affraid you can't pretend, if you ever have, that you love women, do you? If you are one of these guys who assures everbody and convinces himself that he's not gay because he doesn't like men, I'm affraid this statement just blew your cover...

Jane Marie is indeed perfect, buddy, and she would obviously remain perfect with a pussy! Get real! Think a little before you write!

I'll tell you what's part of this whole SRS thing...you have these Tgirls who do porn, and obviously there dicks are a big part of that...actually, the biggest part because obviously, they wouldn't be doing Tgirl in the first place without it.

Then they want to go SRS, which is fine by me, it's there bodies after all and who are we to criticize them for what they want to do.

But the problem is it's like they've been presenting something they want us to like, even love, but the reality is that they themselves really hate it.

So it kind of makes people feel like they've been hoodwinked in a way, like they were tricked or even stupid in the first place for being interested in something the performers themselves want to just get rid of.

It's akin to your favorite musician saying their music really sucks, and you were a moron for liking it in the first place. Or your favorite distiller of scotch whisky getting rid of all their distilling equipment, saying the product was crap to begin with, and calling you a drunken fool for liking it in the first place.

[more cowbell]

My only regret with my last reply was that I sent it from my phone and not my computer - too many grammatical errors and accidentally omitted some words.

That said, my thing is, if you're gonna be a self-righteous prick, then I'm gonna be a dick right back. If someone is being malicious or acting overtly like an asshole, then by all means, go after them. But if not, don't be an arrogant prick that assumes to know things about others that you don't.

[robertlouis]

Haha. Ive read many of your posts where the three of you attack others posts. It really is comical. More than likely a few middle aged losers that never could make it socially in real life, so you resort to building up some fake online persona. Hilarious that you think you a damn thing about me. By the way, Dan, ive seen you posting/replying positively to pics of tgirls with their cocks showing in the pic. I guess your cover is also blown. You must never have really liked women. Do u realize how fucking stupid you sound ssaying that kind of shit? Not to mention, all three of you stooges are like parrots saying this same shit over and over to anyone that thinks like me, when in reality, i would be surprised if you, curly and moe feel the same way. Here's an idea, piss off and try to live I reality a bit. It's good for your mental health.

Equally hilarious that you think you know anything about other posters here, cowshit. Making assumptions wrongly falls both ways.

Welcome aboard anyway, I dare say you'll add to the general variety that passes by here every day.

[more cowbell]

Equally hilarious that you think you know anything about other posters here, cowshit. Making assumptions wrongly falls both ways.

Welcome aboard anyway, I dare say you'll add to the general variety that passes by here every day.

cowshit? haha. at least i don't look like a pussy-ass douche bag. i really do hope, for your sake, that that is not really you in your profile pic. but if so, it does explain a lot about your overall demeanor here on this site. i mean let's be real, most online d-bags are folks that have shortcomings in real life. so, i give you a pass. it's a wonder that you haven't taken your own life by now. i certainly would have if i looked the way you do.

now, do you want to continue with being an immature little prick? or do you want to play nice like a big boy? it's hard to tell from your ugly ass picture, but you appear to be somewhat middle aged. regardless of age, you come off as little bitch.

[danthepoetman]

I'll tell you what's part of this whole SRS thing...you have these Tgirls who do porn, and obviously there dicks are a big part of that...actually, the biggest part because obviously, they wouldn't be doing Tgirl in the first place without it.
Then they want to go SRS, which is fine by me, it's there bodies after all and who are we to criticize them for what they want to do.
But the problem is it's like they've been presenting something they want us to like, even love, but the reality is that they themselves really hate it.
So it kind of makes people feel like they've been hoodwinked in a way, like they were tricked or even stupid in the first place for being interested in something the performers themselves want to just get rid of.
It's akin to your favorite musician saying their music really sucks, and you were a moron for liking it in the first place. Or your favorite distiller of scotch whisky getting rid of all their distilling equipment, saying the product was crap to begin with, and calling you a drunken fool for liking it in the first place.
I must say that for once, Nysprod, I'm sensible to this argument. It is true that there is a paradox there, and that it can be very confusing for some. No doubt about that. Once again, it's not the cock loving part that bugs me. And I'm not either anti-gay. I'm not either against guys who entertain the fantasy of the futanari, the Japanese dick girl. All of this is ok and I don't have anything what so ever againt this Nysprod. Nothing. I keep saying this over and over. What I'm uncomfortable with is disrespect, it's this way of saying, like this little cobweb sissy boy, that a girl is perfect with a dick, but that she's not anymore without. You see where I'm getting at? Implicitely, in this, there's this notion that Jane Marie is not a woman, she's just a dick person, purely there for her cock and for the benefit of cockhounds. Jane Marie, as I just said, and I know that you can't disagree with me on this, Nysprod, is an absolutely gorgeous woman. And without a dick, she will remain every bit as beautiful! Of course!
Now, you can argue with me that she might loose some viewers after srs, and that it might be a bad economic move, from a pure business standpoint. I can see this possibility. Formulating things this way, like Franklin does, for instance, is not insulting her, or being disrespectful to her. It's considering things from a certain perspective, which says nothing of her choices as a person and as a woman. But when on the other hand, you have guys that are critical on the personal level, when they imply that the single absence of a cock on a girl is making her less desirable, less interresting, and in some cases, some guys go as far as saying "without interrest", or "gone for me", or even "RIP"! I find it's something terrible, and terribly disrespectful and disdaineous, terribly offensive.
And the reason for my outrage should be obvious. These women go through so much in their lives to get where they are. And as you pointed out very lucidly, their goal and their dream is precisely to be women and to be treated like women! Many of transsexal girls are here on HA who are not doing porn. Many are here to gauge, to some extent the reaction of men to the beauty of ts women, as it is the very power women have over men in sexuality. They are observing reactions, and reading what we write. Every time a guy is so offensive, he's being rude to all of these girls who have to suffer way enough in their social life as is.

I would also add once again that HA is a fan forum. We're here to celebrate, not to make hurtful and denigrating comments, even for girls who do porn! I think it's a basic rule, which follows basic politeness, that if we don't have anything positive to say, we should simply move on to some other thread where we can contribute positively. Simple and nice. No?

This being said, you're right, Nysprod: there is a paradox and a contradiction most of us fans have to live with. The market seems indecisive as to what kind of public it is seeking. That's why I've been thinking for a while that t-porn should always be tagged: either top ts, bottom ts, or versatile, whether it's for sites, forum sections, dvd or what have you... But maybe the market itself is not wide enough yet... or maybe it would not be appealing to some girls to limit their income this way.
But I guess that the point I'm trying to make here, is that we guys have to make the distinction between fantasy (let's say the "shemale" with a big cock that wants to fuck guys and be dominant), and reality, real girls here on the site, who have real lives and real dreams. We should act with them as we are towards anybody else. I would never go to some guy and insult him about his physique or his dreams, even if he was exposing himself here. Why do this?

I'm sorry, I'm extending myself a bit. I'm very tired of some of these cockhounds, and their comments. I'm being long because I'm also thinking about not coming back myself. I'm tired of that bullshit, and I'm tired of getting mad at punks like cobweb. It might also be the little bit of sadness I feel at the idea of Dino leaving too. But I'm not sure I want to be a part of this, when so often girls I admire, girls for whom I have a lot of esteem for, girls I also empathize with, because of their situation, are constantly being insulted. I'm an old guy, my folks just didn't raise me to let someone throw crap at ladies, but I see there's no way to make people understand what this is all about... This might just be my last post here... I feel spent, tonight....

[robertlouis]

cowshit? haha. at least i don't look like a pussy-ass douche bag. i really do hope, for your sake, that that is not really you in your profile pic. but if so, it does explain a lot about your overall demeanor here on this site. i mean let's be real, most online d-bags are folks that have shortcomings in real life. so, i give you a pass. it's a wonder that you haven't taken your own life by now. i certainly would have if i looked the way you do.

now, do you want to continue with being an immature little prick? or do you want to play nice like a big boy? it's hard to tell from your ugly ass picture, but you appear to be somewhat middle aged. regardless of age, you come off as little bitch.

You really are an unpleasant little gobshite, aren't you? I even welcomed you here. Consider that withdrawn.

And if you're god's gift to the ladies, let's see your face. Don't hide behind your name.

Unless you're prepared to do that, shut the fuck up.

[broncofan]

I think he literally shit his pants when you asked him to post his picture.

[robertlouis]

I think he literally shit his pants when you asked him to post his picture.

Probably, bronco, probably.

He needs to learn that coming brand new onto a board just to catcall, insult and provoke may mean that his stay here will be a short one.

[more cowbell]

you can take your insincere welcome and stick it where the sun don't shine. if you're going to immaturely attack my username, then i'll act juvenile right back by attacking your looks. never once did i saw i was god's gift, but for the record, i am a really good looking dude. far from a "sissy boy" like your cohort dan so eloquently put it.

i don't get off by having internet spats with dudes that think they are on some kind of a crusade. i said nothing to demean jane marie in any way. in fact, i think she is the total package when it comes to sexiness and femininity. but i guess i'm way off base to express my opinion of how PERFECT she is right now. excuse me for not sharing your exact views of perfection.

it's both of your guys' M.O. to spurt out these long-winded messages that are much ado about nothing. i think the vast majority of people in this forum are here to celebrate, appreciate, and marvel at the beauty that these women bring to the table. so, please quit trying to make something out of nothing.

most of us don't have time for it. in real life, i would've smashed your face in the first time your popped off with your self-righteousness. get a grip old timers.

[robertlouis]

in real life, i would've smashed your face in the first time your popped off with your self-righteousness.



That's the sound of maturity right there..... :wiggle:

[more cowbell]

It is what it is. Im all about efficiency.

[runningdownthatdream]

you can take your insincere welcome and stick it where the sun don't shine. if you're going to immaturely attack my username, then i'll act juvenile right back by attacking your looks. never once did i saw i was god's gift, but for the record, i am a really good looking dude. far from a "sissy boy" like your cohort dan so eloquently put it.

i don't get off by having internet spats with dudes that think they are on some kind of a crusade. i said nothing to demean jane marie in any way. in fact, i think she is the total package when it comes to sexiness and femininity. but i guess i'm way off base to express my opinion of how PERFECT she is right now. excuse me for not sharing your exact views of perfection.

it's both of your guys' M.O. to spurt out these long-winded messages that are much ado about nothing. i think the vast majority of people in this forum are here to celebrate, appreciate, and marvel at the beauty that these women bring to the table. so, please quit trying to make something out of nothing.

most of us don't have time for it. in real life, i would've smashed your face in the first time your popped off with your self-righteousness. get a grip old timers.

You're outta line.......your original comments were disrespectful. Do you believe that women are meant for your sexual gratification only? Don't you realize that when one of these girls make the decision to transition that it's a really big deal? So rather than bemoan your own personal disappointment how about offering some support?

I think that's what they were trying to highlight for you.

As for the threats of physical violence: you should be more careful. A lot of L.E. types cruise this board - one request to Seanchai and your IP could be traced. You might end up making cow patties behind bars and that won't be good for anybody.

[broncofan]

Great post rdtd. No matter my sexual preference/interest I would never tell a woman taking such a big step that for my own reasons she should not. She should do what she wants to do and her beauty will continue to show through.

I also liked that line about l.e. I didn't know that!

[nysprod]

Jane Marie is indeed perfect, buddy, and she would obviously remain perfect with a pussy! Get real! Think a little before you write!



What if she cut off her nose and replaced it with a bozo the clown nose, or completely covered her face with tatoos...would she still be perfect to you?

[maddygirl]

If you like her pre-op body, there's nothing wrong with thaat, that's what sells. But, if she gets SRS, be happy for her. It's that simple. Don't whine and cry because you're obsessed with penises. If a penis is all that matters to you, put on a wig and jerk off in the mirror. Self-gratification. Enjoy. You're welcome.

[robertlouis]

If you like her pre-op body, there's nothing wrong with thaat, that's what sells. But, if she gets SRS, be happy for her. It's that simple. Don't whine and cry because your obsessed with penises. If a penis is all that matters to you, put on a wig and jerk off in the mirror. Self-gratification. Enjoy. You're welcome.


:iagree: Exactly, Maddy, very well put.




And Prod, that's a really dumb question and I think you know it is.

[nysprod]

If you like her pre-op body, there's nothing wrong with thaat, that's what sells. But, if she gets SRS, be happy for her. It's that simple. Don't whine and cry because you're obsessed with penises. If a penis is all that matters to you, put on a wig and jerk off in the mirror. Self-gratification. Enjoy. You're welcome.

The question was rhetorical...if she gets a bozo nose, or covers her face with tattoos, she's not going to be perfect anymore.

Some people are not going to be happy for her after that....they may even wonder if she has a few screws loose...would there be something wrong with those people for thinking that way?

So what's the difference?

[nysprod]

And Prod, that's a really dumb question and I think you know it is.



Why? What's the difference between cutting off your nose, if you think that will complete you as a person, and cutting off your dick for the same reason?

Because a nose isn't sexual and a dick is? Or because one person gets sexual gratification from another person's dick but not typically a nose?

[broncofan]

NYSPROD
The changes you ask about are arbitrary whereas there's nothing arbitrary about sex. The penis and clitoris are homologues I think, and men and women's biological differences are mainly confined to their sexual organs and the effects that sex hormones have on development. So having a surgery in order to match body and gender identity is not at all like the sort of arbitrary mutilation (ie. cutting off the nose) you raise in your hypothetical.

[robertlouis]

The question was rhetorical...if she gets a bozo nose, or covers her face with tattoos, she's not going to be perfect anymore.

Some people are not going to be happy for her after that....they may even wonder if she has a few screws loose...would there be something wrong with those people for thinking that way?

So what's the difference?

OK, I see the point - if to some she's only perfect with male genitalia and if they are removed, so is the perfection, and by extension if she puts on a clown's nose she wouldn't be perfect either. Got that, accepted.

And if it's put dispassionately like that, fine.

But when it comes allied with vituperation and insult - "RIP", "she's dead to me" "ugly bitch" etc - I feel obliged to throw in my two penn'orth on her behalf. In other words, it's not the simple fact that cockhounds are disappointed when a girl has SRS that pisses me off, it's more the terrible and insensitive way that all too often they express it.

Can we agree on that?

[broncofan]

Why? What's the difference between cutting off your nose, if you think that will complete you as a person, and cutting off your dick for the same reason?

That's not how the surgery works. It's not just removal of tissue but also the construction of female sex organs. So it's not as simple as saying that tissue is randomly being excised.

[maddygirl]

The question was rhetorical...if she gets a bozo nose, or covers her face with tattoos, she's not going to be perfect anymore.

Some people are not going to be happy for her after that....they may even wonder if she has a few screws loose...would there be something wrong with those people for thinking that way?

So what's the difference?
I get that that's part of the fetish, but if you were dating a girl who had surgery would you suddenly lose all interest in her, or is it just a porn thing? Not trying to be rude, I'm just genuinely curious. I know, for some men, we're never put in the "woman" category. I remember reading someone on this site saying: "Why would a trans woman get SRS? Might as well be a GG." It seems they don't understand that some of us don't want to be seen as a transsexual in transition the rest of our lives, in fact never wanted to in the first place.

[nysprod]

I get that that's part of the fetish, but if you were dating a girl who had surgery would you suddenly lose all interest in her, or is it just a porn thing? Not trying to be rude, I'm just genuinely curious. I know, for some men, we're never put in the "woman" category. I remember reading someone on this site saying: "Why would a trans woman get SRS? Might as well be a GG." It seems they don't understand that some of us don't want to be seen as a transsexual in transition the rest of our lives, in fact never wanted to in the first place.

I'll go back to my previous question...what if your favorite musician gives an interview saying their music really sucks and that they're destroying all their equipment...would you be upset?

So ok, go stand in front of a mirror and pretend your performing their music if you need the gratification.

[nysprod]

OK, I see the point - if to some she's only perfect with male genitalia and if they are removed, so is the perfection, and by extension if she puts on a clown's nose she wouldn't be perfect either. Got that, accepted.

And if it's put dispassionately like that, fine.

But when it comes allied with vituperation and insult - "RIP", "she's dead to me" "ugly bitch" etc - I feel obliged to throw in my two penn'orth on her behalf. In other words, it's not the simple fact that cockhounds are disappointed when a girl has SRS that pisses me off, it's more the terrible and insensitive way that all too often they express it.

Can we agree on that?

Absolutely.

[maddygirl]

I'll go back to my previous question...what if your favorite musician gives an interview saying their music really sucks and that they're destroying all their equipment...would you be upset?

So ok, go stand in front of a mirror and pretend your performing their music if you need the gratification.
I'd adapt to their new version of music. And, by the way, comparing music to genitals is a bit silly. Let's say I found a trans man attractive...and he had a vagina. If he was a nice person whom I got on well with, I could deal with that. But, if he told me one day "I want to have surgery to have a dick" I wouldn't be shocked...afterall he's a MAN... You're acting like it's shocking that girls want this surgery. C'mon... seriously? If you can't feel compassion for someone whose lifelong wish has come true, that's your problem, not hers. That is all.

[robertlouis]

I'll go back to my previous question...what if your favorite musician gives an interview saying their music really sucks and that they're destroying all their equipment...would you be upset?



What a question! My guitars are my friends.

Hmm, cut off my dick or smash my guitars....

I'll need some time to think about that. :whistle:

[Johnny.Blaze]

I think people fail to realize that this is a porn thread. Not a sensitive help group for shemales that want to be fully females. We are mostly all here because we either want to promote a site we have or we have a fetish for trans girls. Hell, most of you found this site probably through another shemale site. All of a sudden people start talking about SRS surgery and all that jazz and if someone says something negative about it, they get ganged upon as if they are some rotten apple. What happened to free speech? To like and dislike whatever you feel. To say "if you like cock so much, then put on a wig and jerk off" is a very assholeish thing to say as far as I'm concerned. Far worse than someone saying that they like a particular shemale with her cock still attached.
People are way to sensitive when it comes to this SRS talk.

[robertlouis]

I'd adapt to their new version of music. And, by the way, comparing music to genitals is a bit silly. Let's say I found a trans man attractive...and he had a vagina. If he was a nice person whom I got on well with, I could deal with that. But, if he told me one day "I want to have surgery to have a dick" I wouldn't be shocked...afterall he's a MAN... You're acting like it's shocking that girls want this surgery. C'mon... seriously? If you can't feel compassion for someone whose lifelong wish has come true, that's your problem, not hers. That is all.


:iagree: Once again, very well put Maddy. And your final sentence says it all. There's no comparison between a piece of equipment and a sentient being with hopes, fears and desires, one of which is to take that final step to become outwardly the woman that they know they are inside.

[nysprod]

You're acting like it's shocking that girls want this surgery. C'mon... seriously? If you can't feel compassion for someone whose lifelong wish has come true, that's your problem, not hers. That is all.



I'm not. The conversation I made was merely an abstract devil's advocate thing. I have a lot of compassion for the enormous difficulties in transitioning, and I firmly believe that people who transition should be able to come here and find nothing but support.

And I say that in all sincerity.

[robertlouis]

I think people fail to realize that this is a porn thread. Not a sensitive help group for shemales that want to be fully females. We are mostly all here because we either want to promote a site we have or we have a fetish for trans girls. Hell, most of you found this site probably through another shemale site. All of a sudden people start talking about SRS surgery and all that jazz and if someone says something negative about it, they get ganged upon as if they are some rotten apple. What happened to free speech? To like and dislike whatever you feel. To say "if you like cock so much, then put on a wig and jerk off" is a very assholeish thing to say as far as I'm concerned. Far worse than someone saying that they like a particular shemale with her cock still attached.
People are way to sensitive when it comes to this SRS talk.

Including people like Maddy who's had SRS? Yes, we are "mostly" all here because it's a porn site, but please show just a little sensitivity towards those who aren't necessarily her primarily for that, the girls especially.

[Johnny.Blaze]

I get that that's part of the fetish, but if you were dating a girl who had surgery would you suddenly lose all interest in her, or is it just a porn thing? Not trying to be rude, I'm just genuinely curious. I know, for some men, we're never put in the "woman" category. I remember reading someone on this site saying: "Why would a trans woman get SRS? Might as well be a GG." It seems they don't understand that some of us don't want to be seen as a transsexual in transition the rest of our lives, in fact never wanted to in the first place.

As far as I see it, it's a porn thing. At least for me. I'm not here to get a date or anything like that. I'm not here to really talk about sensitive issues, though I know they come up often. Especially when it comes to SRS. And as far as I see what classification I put a transsexual in. I will NEVER consider a transsexual a male. You will always see in my posts that I refer you all as "She" That goes both for online and in my personal life. To say otherwise would be totally disrespectful....

[broncofan]

Far worse than someone saying that they like a particular shemale with her cock still attached.

Thinking it and saying it are two different things. For you it's a matter of what you like about someone else' body. For that person, it's an enormous decision that involves not just their appearance but also complex issues of identity. It may be something they've wanted their entire life. I'm not saying all transsexuals want the surgery, but of those who do, can you think of a more crucial time? It seems rather selfish to them chime in with your wants and desires regarding someone you've never met.

[robertlouis]

I'm not. The conversation I made was merely an abstract devil's advocate thing. I have a lot of compassion for the enormous difficulties in transitioning, and I firmly believe that people who transition should be able to come here and find nothing but support.

And I say that in all sincerity.


The problem is that they don't get that support. Most of the comments are negative, some even abusive.

[Johnny.Blaze]

Including people like Maddy who's had SRS? Yes, we are "mostly" all here because it's a porn site, but please show just a little sensitivity towards those who aren't necessarily her primarily for that, the girls especially.

I understand your point, but really I've seen plenty of people in this forum, call guys cock hounds, and what I just read regarding if cock is so important then put on a wig and jerk off. Is that a polite thing to say you think? That's pretty rude if you ask me. You might as well just call someone a faggot then. I don't think many transsexuals fully know the reason why certain men are into them. Hell I don't even know myself fully. I'm not into males, but I'm into pre-op transsexuals. So long as they look female. Very confusing but what the hell, it is what it is....But I would take offense if someone called me a cock hound.

[nysprod]

The problem is that they don't get that support. Most of the comments are negative, some even abusive.

That does happen, and it's very sad to see. However, in re-reading cowbell's original comment


If that's what she wants, then by all means. But personally, I would hate to see her do it. She is the quintessential epitome of PERFECTION. I'm not knockin' here decision if that's what she wants. It's just my two cents. But I still remember when I first came across her online. I literally almost shit my pants with how flawless every square inch of her body was.


I'm not exactly certain his post fell into that category...and although he apparently was not all that happy about it, what he said wasn't really negative or abusive, IMO.

Yours may differ.

[maddygirl]

I understand your point, but really I've seen plenty of people in this forum, call guys cock hounds, and what I just read regarding if cock is so important then put on a wig and jerk off. Is that a polite thing to say you think? That's pretty rude if you ask me. You might as well just call someone a faggot then. I don't think many transsexuals fully know the reason why certain men are into them. Hell I don't even know myself fully. I'm not into males, but I'm into pre-op transsexuals. So long as they look female. Very confusing but what the hell, it is what it is....But I would take offense if someone called me a cock hound.
And I take the full blame for that. I DON'T know the reason, I won't pretend I do. As I've said, there's nothing wrong with liking pre-op transsexuals. No, I'm not going to call you a "faggot", because for one, I hate that word, and also because I don't think it's gay either. I think what bothers some of us the most is when people say things like "She used to be so beautiful" or similar comments... which makes you think... does a penis hold that much beauty in their mind? Lol. Anyway, that was my original point.

[amberskyi]

I think people fail to realize that this is a porn thread. Not a sensitive help group for shemales that want to be fully females. We are mostly all here because we either want to promote a site we have or we have a fetish for trans girls. Hell, most of you found this site probably through another shemale site. All of a sudden people start talking about SRS surgery and all that jazz and if someone says something negative about it, they get ganged upon as if they are some rotten apple. What happened to free speech? To like and dislike whatever you feel. To say "if you like cock so much, then put on a wig and jerk off" is a very assholeish thing to say as far as I'm concerned. Far worse than someone saying that they like a particular shemale with her cock still attached.
People are way to sensitive when it comes to this SRS talk.

to me its about as dumb as saying shemale but if i have to grit and tolerate dumb shit than you should too homie

[Johnny.Blaze]

I think most of the transsexual admirers will agree that though happy for Jane Marie that "If True" is going to have SRS and become what she's always wanted to be. That inside, they are disappointed in the decision. To say otherwise would just be a lie....

[Johnny.Blaze]

And I take the full blame for that. I DON'T know the reason, I won't pretend I do. As I've said, there's nothing wrong with liking pre-op transsexuals. No, I'm not going to call you a "faggot", because for one, I hate that word, and also because I don't think it's gay either. I think what bothers some of us the most is when people say things like "She used to be so beautiful" or similar comments... which makes you think... does a penis hold that much beauty in their mind? Lol. Anyway, that was my original point.

And I will agree. No, no one should ever say something like that. Her penis isnt what makes her beautiful. Along with many others that have had the surgery. Allot more goes into beauty than just physical. Jane Marie is a remarkably beautiful girl. I don't know her personally but from twitter and other outlets, she's very funny, good sense of humor and has the physical beauty to match. I certainly wish her all the best with whatever road she takes in life....

[robertlouis]

I think most of the transsexual admirers will agree that though happy for Jane Marie that "If True" is going to have SRS and become what she's always wanted to be. That inside, they are disappointed in the decision. To say otherwise would just be a lie....


No problem at all with that as it stands.

It's when it falls to the level of insult and abuse as it all too often does that guys like me feel obliged to respond.

Unlike most of the guys here I've watched a dear friend transition over several years of mental agony, given her a shoulder to cry on, talked her back from suicide more than once and held her hand before and after surgery. To read posts that belittle, ignore, or worse, insult and abuse that experience, drives me mad. I hope you can understand that.

There's a huge, incalculable difference between the two-dimensional internet fantasies that most guys here are limited to and the reality for most transsexual women.

[nysprod]

I don't think many transsexuals fully know the reason why certain men are into them. Hell I don't even know myself fully. I'm not into males, but I'm into pre-op transsexuals. So long as they look female. Very confusing but what the hell, it is what it is....But I would take offense if someone called me a cock hound.




Lol...A lot of us are in the same place...best to just go with the flow and enjoy the ride!

[txjr3]

Well I see retirement wasn't agreeing with JM. She's in Austin TX Bp today. From a purely selfish perspective, YES!!! I did meet her one time, and she does seem to be a very sweet person, so I wish her all the best.

[nysprod]

Well I see retirement wasn't agreeing with JM. She's in Austin TX Bp today. From a purely selfish perspective, YES!!! I did meet her one time, and she does seem to be a very sweet person, so I wish her all the best.

So's her BFF Doll...looks like they're on the road again!

http://images2.backpage.com/imager/u/medium/94422931/image.jpg http://images1.backpage.com/imager/u/medium/94422918/image.jpg http://images2.backpage.com/imager/u/medium/94423801/IMG_1801.png http://images3.backpage.com/imager/u/medium/94429398/A49AASeCYAAIofw.jpg-large.jpg

[txjr3]

I noticed that. Plus their chubby buddy Madison. I like chubby, btw, so that's not a knock! If I wasn't temporarily short on dough, I would for sure have called JM already!

[txjr3]

I saw that too. And their cute little chub buddy Madison. I like those chubs! If I had a more healthy wallet right now I would have called JM already!

[txjr3]

Oops, double post. Sorry!

[youngblood61]

Lol...A lot of us are in the same place...best to just go with the flow and enjoy the ride!:iagree: