Are all gay boy twinks just un-transitioned t-gals in denial?

[gugaxamot]

Are all gay boy twinks just un-transitioned t-gals in denial?

[Ms.Stepford]

No, they're boys who like being boys who fuck boys.

Some, probably, but all?

Most questions that start with all are a bit silly.

[Westheangelino]

Uh....in a word....no

[Buddy Wood]

Yeah totally. ALL OF THEM!! So having sex with them doesn't make you gay...obviously!!! If anything it would just feminize them more and help create another tranny!! So go for it!

Having sex with a manly lesbian would be way gayer than that!!!

[Merkurie]

Only when shipwrecked on a deserted island.

[danthepoetman]

Are all gay boy twinks just un-transitioned t-gals in denial?
No, Gugaxamot: some guys are effeminate without being transsexuals. And some effeminate men just like being men nonetheless, and sexually like men. Once again, you have to make a definite separation between sexual orientation and transsexuality. These are two things that do not have anything to do with one another.
What gay men like is men. And they also like being men. That's the essence of being gay, or else well, you're something else: in between, bi, more or less or what have you...
Another difference to be made is between transvestites and transsexuals. Transvestism can be practiced for different reasons, the primary or global one being pleasure, homo or hetero sexual. But for a transsexual woman, wearing women's clothes means exactly nothing, as she is a woman; it means nothing more than for us guys to wear our guy's clothes...

[Ananke]

No, and frankly, sexuality is so complex it is, in my opinion impossible to to put people in well defined compartments.....there are kind of more than 50 shades of ....the colour of your choice....

[BellaBellucci]

While I'm all about equal rights and gender expression, I personally find the twink aesthetic cringeworthy.

~BB~

[Jericho]

Yep...That's about right...The harder yer cock gets, the lower yer I.Q. ! :shrug

[maddygirl]

I don't really understand it personally, but meh, to each their own.

[MacShreach]

Are all gay boy twinks just un-transitioned t-gals in denial?
No. But it's not clear-cut. Some are; that much we know for a fact for a few reasons.

'Clinics' like that run by Ken Zucker have been brainwashing young transgirls into being gay men for decades. In fact this appears to be something of an industry. We don't know how many people have been affected by this, but it's significant.

In the Philippines and other parts of Asia there is also much more blurring of the line (if there even is one). I personally know gay men in their thirties who were transgender beauty pagaent winners in their teens and twenties. My girffriend, who absolutely is a girl, has known she was a girl since her childhood, yet sees no substantive distinction between herself and gay men--it's simply a matter of degree. (As far as she's concerned, they're all girls because they want to be fucked by men.)

In the West, on the other hand, gay men have been conditioned to appear masculine, something which many, if asked privately, admit they are uncomfortable with.

So cultural factors are further muddying what is already murky water.

As well as all of this, there are transwomen who are attracted to men who transition later in life, and this population is getting bigger. Note: these are not the classic Blanchard autogynephiles; they do not develop an attraction for men after they transition but before it.

One reason it's getting bigger is that modern surgical techniques, coupled with hormone therapy, make it possible for a woman like this to pass, and more open attitudes mean they can have the kind of sex life they feel comfortable with. So, what were they before they became transwomen? Effeminate gay men.

(I wrote about this a while ago here (http://macshreach.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/the-problem-of-the-hidden-transsexual/). Note MacShreach's health warning: my blog (http://macshreach.wordpress.com) is not meant to be taken as ex-cathedra but as thoughts in progress.)

Finally there are whole categories of gender-queer and intergender individuals who either adopt social roles somewhere between the binary gender norms, or who switch from one to the other.

So I don't think all twinky gay men are transwomen in denial by any means, but I do think a much greater number than either the gay or the trans population admit, are.

[robertlouis]

Most questions that start with all are a bit silly.


:iagree::iagree::iagree:


How do you manage to ingest so much weed and be so wise at the same time, Trixi? :whistle: ;)

[Prospero]

All .... y'all.... yawn

[MrsKellyPierce]

UMM no...bangs head on the floor

[Ms.Stepford]

:iagree::iagree::iagree:


How do you manage to ingest so much weed and be so wise at the same time, Trixi? :whistle: ;)

I don't really understand, myself, but thanks! :D

[callahac]

Strange question to ask. Are you into gay twink boys, is that why you are asking?

[MrsKellyPierce]

You point makes no sense!

That would also mean all drag queens and transvestites/crossdressers are transsexuals in denial.

When most transvestites, crossdressers, drag queens enjoy living as men and many transvestites/crossdressers are STRAIGHT

The same for twinks they love being men!

Acting feminine has nothing to do with how you determine your identity!

Many of those fem boys are very manly acting in the relationship..they are the top..the boss..and very masculine in character otherwise.

I have many gay friends and almost every twink friend is the head of his relationship as well as the top.

Where as my straight acting/butch gay friends are mostly bottoms and very submissive.

[Ms.Stepford]

I know this gay couple who are building a house together right now who have been together for years. One of the boys is large, beardy, hairy, plays metal, has questionable style...just doesn't give off any gay vibe at all, like a boyfriend I had who had to break up with me when I started getting boobs.

Then you meet his boyfriend, who is rail thin, about my height, has pretty sun blonde hair down his back, is more overtly effeminate than most women I know, inluding myself and likes to talk "yeah, take that fucking cock in your hairy ass" shit to his big man while he fucks him in his hairy ass.

Incidentally, that little shit is the only person I know who slips and uses my old name to refer to me, despite never having known me while I was using it. He talks to my hand a lot.

My point, though, is that people are people and bullshit generalizations never work, so it's best to move the fuck on.

[Prospero]

:iagree::iagree::iagree:My point, though, is that people are people and bullshit generalizations never work....

[Ben]

Are all gay boy twinks just un-transitioned t-gals in denial?

Many have said that about Anderson Brooks. He says he simply likes to wear make-up. So, it's difficult to argue with that. Isn't it???
And, too, a fairly large percentile of the populace think or believe that males who like MTF transsexuals are gay.... Are we?
Am I gay for being attracted to Anderson Brooks who some would -- and do say -- is an "un-transitioned" t-girl?
Anyway, these questions will always be debated -- ha ha!

[robertlouis]

This thread is yet another example of the risk (in a place like HA!) and the folly of attempting to categorise things which are much too fluid and elusive to pin down.

I don't get the twink/femboi thing at all, no attraction for me, but nobody can deny that it isn't part of the spectrum.

[Ananke]

This thread is yet another example of the risk (in a place like HA!) and the folly of attempting to categorise things which are much too fluid and elusive to pin down.

I don't get the twink/femboi thing at all, no attraction for me, but nobody can deny that it isn't part of the spectrum.
nobody can deny it IS part of the spectrum...double negative?
Correct me if I am wrong ;)

[MacShreach]

I'm interested by the level of aggression towards what was a badly put but still reasonable question...the only difficulty with it is the way it's phrased, especially the 'all' part. If the OP had said 'are some gay boy twinks really trans who have not yet transitioned?' then the answer would obviously be 'yes'.

How many times have those of us who actually know transwomen met a boy looking, let's say, 'a wee bit less than macho' and a couple of years later, woops, look what we have here, hormone therapy, a new set of jugs and hello darling. It's not even uncommon., in this little world at least. Think of all the threads full of 'before and after' pics....

The majority of transwomen, in the West, don't transition till they're adult (this isn't quite the same in other parts of the world), and that must beg the question, how did they see themselves or behave beforehand? Hate Blanchard if you will, but his observation that they fall into two categories, one of which began as highly feminised boys who were sexually attracted to men, is extremely hard to refute. (1. Blanchard's implication of causation is where he falls down, not in his descriptions. 2. He was not alone in these observations, but was the first to try to analyse the other subtype.)

I suspect the hostility here feeds back to the usual undercurrent of homophobia. Some men just don't want to think about the possiblity that the women thery are attracted to were once men, because then they think their attraction implies they're gay. It doesn't. It's who the woman is that counts, not how she got there.

By definition, excepting the physically intergendered, ALL transwomen were once physically male, and the inescapable logical progression from that must be that some males are as-yet untransitioned transsexuals. What is the big deal?

[MacShreach]

This thread is yet another example of the risk (in a place like HA!) and the folly of attempting to categorise things which are much too fluid and elusive to pin down.

I don't get the twink/femboi thing at all, no attraction for me, but nobody can deny that it isn't part of the spectrum.

It is only by categorising and understanding taxonomies that knowledge progresses. It is necessary for the benefit of transwomen and the provision of proper health care etc, that the phenomenon be understood.

HA may not be the ideal forum for such debate, but nevertheless it has been, since 2004 at least (MacShreach was not my original posting name.)

[littletwink]

No, not ALL, and many of us who might be are NOT all the way. I'm not straight, I'm VERY twisted and curvy, and quite happy to be somewhere in the middle of all this. I mean, what's wrong with me loving a manly cock on a shemale's body, while she loves my not-so-manly dick on my little frame? :)

[dderek123]

Painting a large group of people with the same brush doesn't work.

[robertlouis]

Painting a large group of people with the same brush doesn't work.



Rembrandt might beg to differ, Derek..... :party:

[bluesoul]

an "un-transitioned" t-girl?

lol. in other words, he's a guy :whistle:

[maddygirl]

No they're men, just feminine. This question is a little crazy to me. Lol.

[timxxx]

The OP wants to fuck 'twinks' but that would mean he's GAY :cry.

Now if they are 't-gals in denial',him wanting to fuck them,would mean he's not GAY :peanutbutter happy days.

[dderek123]

Rembrandt might beg to differ, Derek..... :party:

Lol well I guess you got me there. You cheeky guy :D