Escort business strategies?

[Rabbiteyes]

So, I'm curious about the business strategies escorts use (beyond the list of what they will do, how long, and how much).

Do they use web portals with paypal and "checkout cart" type of a setup? (for approved members). Perhaps with automated schedules? This would keep physical money from being dealt with (so minimizes issues with non-payment or robbery... and is probably safer, since they have to pay in advance and you can use the online screening process for other verification / safety measures) .

For legal issues, I would likely create a dummy company (small business, listed under arts or something) and individually approve clients access to a personal website / accounts (hidden behind an inconspicuous store front). You could also charge clients a small fee to continue to be "current clients" (with access to the website) ...then provide porn or other things for when they are away ~and to entice them to come back~.

Also, forcing them to pay a fee would mean you keep track of how active they are (and more easily control who has access to the client portal... since that is the biggest legal vulnerability).

Or discount pricing for repeat customers? (Though, I think this would be more effective to hand out to clients after a visit as a personal "thank you". Something like a small card with a discount code for their next visit).

Also, regular STD testing (with results being displayed in the "office"? I would think customers would appreciate that. Or doing customer STD checks? Things like the oral aids test you can even buy at home versions). This would make clients more comfortable visiting more regularly (since it would minimize diseases risks, being a large stigma associated with sex workers).

Basically, by upgrading the service from a simple "sex for money" into a safer and professional experience (for clients and the escort), it would effectively allow for someone to differentiate themselves based on quality (and thereby demand a more premium price). It would also probably allow a person to keep a smaller client list (allowing the escort to be a little more choosey).

And yup, I'm bored :P Just curious what level the typical escort business is being run at. From what i understand, it still seems very much "ad in newspaper and show up with an envelope of cash" ~_~

[Jamie French]

As a sex worker for the better part of 8 years, online ad + cash is what works. Everything you listed looks real good on paper but it assumes idealized situations that don't translate into the real world. Men don't want any kind of paper trail. The ability to pay cash up front is one of the highlights of the whole transaction. Paypal will also refund a customers money without any hesitation and/or questions for the payee but may very well start digging around your business to find out why a customer was dissatisfied enough to request a refund in the first place. These are inquiries you do not want to start creating elaborate lies for. Simplicity is the key to any illegal black market business. Complicate things and sales go down.

As far as STDs are concerned, a dude only wants you to tell him that you are clean. Nobody cares to see or expects certification. Asking him to take a test that you provide and/or administer will send him flying right out the door. It's just too weird and clinical.

Guys are paying you for sex in a moment of heightened, focused sexual arousal. If you takes any of these measures you will come off as careful, hesitant and calculated. Men want immediacy, passion and a carefree, positive attitude. It's your job to wear that mask and keep all your safety mechanization hidden out of sight of the customer. Trust me. I've never been hurt, robbed, diseased, or refused payment in all my years of sex work and it's only because I keep a sharp eye on red flags, am personable and warm in person and focus all my efforts and an outstanding session, (as far as the customer is aware of.)

Also, it helps to genuinely enjoy sex. That's the whole gig after all.

[Rabbiteyes]

Humm, yea, the paper trail seems like it would be a problem. Then it becomes an issue of converting cash into an easier form...luckily this is 2013!!

The best way is to simply use moneypak through paypal (basically, it is a gift card you can get at a lot of stores for cash to fill up anonymous paypal accounts).

Or you can use things like payNearMe (which is kind of the same, only you go through this website to create a 'payment amount' barcode. Then you go to 7-11 and they scan it and you pay with cash and it activates online).

So, overall, paying online doesn't need to leave any paper trails or get credit cards involved.


As far as STDs are concerned, a dude only wants you to tell him that you are clean.

Humm, what about repeat clients? Doesn't a client feel safer if they know you are clean and have proof? You can demand a higher price if you can show you are clean (and that you regularly test will make clients be more likely to come back to you. That is why guys see higher priced escorts, they feel the more expensive the more exclusive and the less chance for disease).


Guys are paying you for sex in a moment of heightened, focused sexual arousal.

Humm, maybe the average client... but wouldn't the ideal situation be to build a more selective client list ? who pays more for better and more careful service? You have to work less, you get to be more picky about who you see, the ones you do see get more attention, and everyone wins.

[Willie Escalade]

Jamie spelled it out perfectly.

[GroobyKrissy]

I agree... minus the luck of never having been assaulted (I have been), Jamie has it summed up word for word correctly and it is sound advice.

[GroobyKrissy]

Jamie spelled it out perfectly.

Oh Hon...

Your recent avatars have been making me moist. Oh god, I HATE that word :).

[Willie Escalade]

Oh Hon...

Your recent avatars have been making me moist. Oh god, I HATE that word :).

LOL...skeet, skeet!
:jerkoff

[starkem]

Hi Rabbiteyes! :wiggle: it may be more beneficial to resolve your boredom in other ways. It is quite difficult to suggest that one of the oldest professions can improve on its existing business model.

Absolutely, it would perhaps be in a persons interest to strategize such an alternative business model -preferably planned prior to the business startup. However, once a person has begun to generate income, security, enjoyment as a "cash-and-carry" business of this sort, all genuine considerations and suggestions are moot.

If it is any consolation to your brainstorming a viable alternative -even some hypothetical conversation just for the sake of generating an atypical "picture drooling" thread- you would be happy to know that there are persons generating wealth of this sexual nature without risk, disclosure, or unwanted clientele. Surprisingly, said persons do not have to even engage in sex.

For example, this aforementioned alternative business model suggests that the prostitution aspect be abandoned all together for the BDSM services and/or media production aspects. Coal mining at one point was a necessary opportunity, but it had quality of life implications to suggest that for the Individual coal miner it was an increasingly perilous endeavor with every further exposure to the job (both a mental and physical toll).

[Nikka]

to steal a 7k pound rolex watch and run away

[mistab]

I agree with what Jamie stated except...didn't she get robbed last year? http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=71084&highlight=jamie+french+robbed

[GroobyKrissy]

to steal a 7k pound rolex watch and run away

Does Rolex actually make a 7,000 pound watch? I don't think your average escort involves forklifts in their business model... but I could be wrong.

If you're stealing a 7k gold Rolex... I think you're reading it wrong. It probably says, "Rotex"... good luck selling that :).

[starkem]

I assume the pound is a UK monetary standard rather than a weight. LOL. But I much prefer seven thousands pound (weight) in gold.

Either way, I think Nikka presents a lucrative alternative to repeated clientele: steal something of significant value from them to supplement your income. LOL

:party:

I would further recommend that if the aforementioned conversion of property is an enticing endeavor that the person move locations often. Stiffing the landlord for the rent in such conversions would also optimize your bottom line of profit to expenses ratio. (smile)




to steal a 7k pound rolex watch and run away

[Ms.Stepford]

Humm, yea, the paper trail seems like it would be a problem. Then it becomes an issue of converting cash into an easier form...luckily this is 2013!!

The best way is to simply use moneypak through paypal (basically, it is a gift card you can get at a lot of stores for cash to fill up anonymous paypal accounts).

Or you can use things like payNearMe (which is kind of the same, only you go through this website to create a 'payment amount' barcode. Then you go to 7-11 and they scan it and you pay with cash and it activates online).

So, overall, paying online doesn't need to leave any paper trails or get credit cards involved.


I bet I could make a grand cash before you got any of that set up. :p

[Nikka]

I was reffering to that thread on the escorts reviews section, it was martina the name of the thief?

[bluesoul]

to steal a 7k pound rolex watch and run away

that was the best thread of last year

[GroobyKrissy]

that was the best thread of last year

Must have missed that one. Some broad took a john's watch?

[lixx]

Depends.

Choose what you want to offer. sounds weird, but if you don't like to top, then don't offer it. it will only piss off you in the end, not your clients.

then chose a location. in big cities, this can be apartments, or small houses. i'm not sure how landlords would handle it, but i'd presume many escorts rent. or some if they can afford it work from their own flat they've bought outright.

for advertising, well even a website is not absolutely required. if your city has laws allowing personal classifieds, then post an ad in there.

[lixx]

Depends.

Choose what you want to offer. sounds weird, but if you don't like to top, then don't offer it. it will only piss off you in the end, not your clients.

then chose a location. in big cities, this can be apartments, or small houses. i'm not sure how landlords would handle it, but i'd presume many escorts rent. or some if they can afford it work from their own flat they've bought outright.

for advertising, well even a website is not absolutely required. if your city has laws allowing personal classifieds, then post an ad in there.

[bluesoul]

Must have missed that one. Some broad took a john's watch?

looks like the thread was either deleted or moved (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1253590&postcount=12)

if i remember correctly, a guy started a thread in the review section about how he'd gone to see an escort and sometime during the encounter, she'd taken his rolex. somehow he didn't notice this until he got home and tried to contact her but she ignored his phone calls and text messages. he started to panic and advice from fellow chasers here was his last resort.

i'm sure i'm missing some detail though

[bluesoul]

btw: there was another really funny review in that section (from early this year i think) where this guy went to see a tgirl who was rumored to have a very big penis (bittencourt i believe). he ended up in a warehouse with no lights, no windows, no doors and some strange woman who spoke in broken english urging him to give "money first. girl come later"

finally, a silhouette image comes out of the dark and approaches this chaser and he says something like "can i see you to see you're real?" no reply. "hey, is that you? bittencourt, the transsexual i came to see?" no reply.

so he gets outta there after no action. this all came after a lot of back and forth as to the legitimacy of the ad (posted on an english eros type website) and this brave soul had decided to take one for the team and do the verification himself.

his conclusion was that it was the bittencourt ts, it just wasn't desirable (or safe) to see her under those conditions.

[EvaCassini]

I agree with what Jamie stated except...didn't she get robbed last year? http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=71084&highlight=jamie+french+robbed

That robbery had nothing to do with escorting.
When Tiff lived here, she had a shit ton of sticky fat nerds come over to play videos games all day. So it was "normal" for people coming over. One day, Jamie opened the door by accident and boom, two guys exploded in, one with a gun and stole our rent money. Had that gun barrel directly touching my neck.

Honestly, because of Tiff's frequent nerds coming over, I thought it was one of her dork friends when he entered my room. I played it off, the gun jammed into my neck, I grabbed the barrel, lifted it up, looked inside the cylinder and noticed rounds in it. That's when I got a deathly feeling and cooperated.

Oddly enough, we weren't the "target". It was all random. They had robbed 2 places right before knocking on our door, then ran off to rob 2 more, then BOOM, the last person they robbed shot one and the other perp ran off, only to turn himself in a couple days later.

[Jamie French]

To the O.P. Here's what you need to set you on the straight and narrow in this business: Set up a session and go through with it. Nothing will inform your business strategy better than the real life visceral experience of actually doing the thing you are talking about. Taking action is the key, only then will you be able to refine and customize your services/business.

[Rabbiteyes]

To the O.P. Here's what you need to set you on the straight and narrow in this business: Set up a session and go through with it. Nothing will inform your business strategy better than the real life visceral experience of actually doing the thing you are talking about. Taking action is the key, only then will you be able to refine and customize your services/business.

Oh no no, this is purely academic ~_~

Ideally, I figured an escort would want to aim for wealthier clients and higher prices.

Beyond looking nice, I was just curious how escorts structure their business to appeal to those (which seems like it would rely more on carefully building and selecting clients). It seems reasonable that an escort would want to maintain some amount of control to avoid issues.

It seems a lot of it is "sex and go"...but from what I understand the "girlfriend experience" is more expensive (so probably a good thing to aim for).

So? How do you cater to getting that type of wealthier client who wants longer sessions and a more full experience than just sex?

Well, first is the lead up and payment (but that is more of a safety thing, but not really a huge deal).

The second thing I was curious about was working area.

TV? Movies? Alcohol provided? I would think an escort would want to make the room as ridiculously comfortable as possible.

Do escorts set out food also? I would think clients would appreciate a drink when he comes in (to relax him) and then things to eat after.

Basically, it seems clients are paying for the sex (of course), but also for the overall experience. If you create a very magical type of encounter (that is drawn out a little bit more), you are offering a unique service and can charge more and have to have less clients (so, seems like the best business strategy).

It also seems like it would secure you a more devoted clientele (since, well, yea they could see another escort... and sure she might be as good as sex... but would the overall experience she proves be the same?).

Then again, maybe I am over romanticizing it? Maybe guys are only interested in coming and going (hehe) and don't care about the environment at all.

[Gillian]

Oddly enough, we weren't the "target". It was all random. They had robbed 2 places right before knocking on our door, then ran off to rob 2 more, then BOOM, the last person they robbed shot one and the other perp ran off, only to turn himself in a couple days later.

At times, the world is indeed full of scrotes ... ;)

[Jericho]

Random target...If you're within range, deal with it! :shrug

[Jamie French]

An academic exercise? There is no need for you to conjure up hypothetical notions about what I and others like me actually do for a living. Are you writing a paper for school? Put your brain away and pay attention. Old timers like me are here to tell you everything you need to know.

You know what GF experience translates to? Kissing. It's that simple. Know how to go the extra mile for a client? Have enthusiastic sex.
No food, no movies, no endless hours of mindless chit chat and needless rapport.

Enthusiastic sex at a price point that targets the upper middle class. That's the alpha and omega. Comb your hair, brush your teeth, wear something that's easy to get out of, smile, and you're on your way.

Everything else you mentioned? Yeah, it doesn't work that way.


Oh no no, this is purely academic ~_~

Ideally, I figured an escort would want to aim for wealthier clients and higher prices.

Beyond looking nice, I was just curious how escorts structure their business to appeal to those (which seems like it would rely more on carefully building and selecting clients). It seems reasonable that an escort would want to maintain some amount of control to avoid issues.

It seems a lot of it is "sex and go"...but from what I understand the "girlfriend experience" is more expensive (so probably a good thing to aim for).

So? How do you cater to getting that type of wealthier client who wants longer sessions and a more full experience than just sex?

Well, first is the lead up and payment (but that is more of a safety thing, but not really a huge deal).

The second thing I was curious about was working area.

TV? Movies? Alcohol provided? I would think an escort would want to make the room as ridiculously comfortable as possible.

Do escorts set out food also? I would think clients would appreciate a drink when he comes in (to relax him) and then things to eat after.

Basically, it seems clients are paying for the sex (of course), but also for the overall experience. If you create a very magical type of encounter (that is drawn out a little bit more), you are offering a unique service and can charge more and have to have less clients (so, seems like the best business strategy).

It also seems like it would secure you a more devoted clientele (since, well, yea they could see another escort... and sure she might be as good as sex... but would the overall experience she proves be the same?).

Then again, maybe I am over romanticizing it? Maybe guys are only interested in coming and going (hehe) and don't care about the environment at all.

[GroobyKrissy]

Rabbiteyes,

Don't mind Ms. Grumpy-Pants above me.

The world is filled with hundreds, thousands, MILLIONS of successful ideas that have been spawned from purely academic exercises wondering whether it was possible or not to improve on any given idea, service, or product.

I would venture a guess that at some point (I think I have read this anecdote somewhere before), a table of people got together, got out a napkin over drinks, and said... "Why isn't anybody doing porn featuring Chicks With Dicks (just using the probable terminology at the time)?" Detractors probably said, "Are you daft? Nobody will buy that stuff!" etc. etc. etc.

Here we are years later as a popular and growing industry.

[nysprod]

An academic exercise? There is no need for you to conjure up hypothetical notions about what I and others like me actually do for a living. Are you writing a paper for school? Put your brain away and pay attention. Old timers like me are here to tell you everything you need to know.

You know what GF experience translates to? Kissing. It's that simple. Know how to go the extra mile for a client? Have enthusiastic sex.
No food, no movies, no endless hours of mindless chit chat and needless rapport.

Enthusiastic sex at a price point that targets the upper middle class. That's the alpha and omega. Comb your hair, brush your teeth, wear something that's easy to get out of, smile, and you're on your way.

Everything else you mentioned? Yeah, it doesn't work that way.

The genius of simplicity put into action. Everything any escort needs to know in a few sentences.

[EvaCassini]

From what I noticed with Jamie's "business plan" is that is truly works.

She has her "blackbook" of regulars who keep coming back because of her professionalism and enthusiasm. AND they also pay more and tip alot. AND...

One guy is mega super nice, I have done a few together with him and Jamie and he does the whole deal. Gentlemen-talk, fancy dinner, then BOOM...fucked in a ritzy hotel.

He in particular, has been a reg of Jamie for about 6 years. THAT'S retention! ;)

Let alone the other few regulars in Jamie's "blackbook".

[GroobyKrissy]

THAT being said... [EDIT: Oops... meant for this to piggy-back on my last post... guess I took too long![/EDIT]

Jamie is, in fact, largely correct. As someone else in this thread has already stated, it is pretty difficult to improve on a business model that has existed since:

"Uggg... You give me fire, uggg. I give you wet place for man-club... ugg."

Also, you should narrow your inquiries. The mainstream escort model is vastly different than the TS escort model simply because of social norms. While still somewhat fringe, it is almost acceptable and even "normal" these days for guys to hire an escort on occasion. The good, ol' fashioned sex scandal with Little Black Books... disappearing. Thus, the VIP escort is probably working for a service that has a completely different business model than the escort working / representing themselves. If you're trying to ask a broad question enveloping ALL escorts, your questions are almost impossible to answer. If you're narrowing it to the TS escort trade, where there are basically no services and most girls actually represent themselves, then you can probably get some answers worth reading.

I can only speak from personal experience, which is pretty limited given I've only had one client who I would actually describe as wanting that GFE and didn't really care about price (we had a 4 figure agreement for a full night), and trust me, if I thought I could be successful in that market... I would do THAT in a second. It is a pretty good gig... if you can get it, as the saying goes. Given your last post, I am assuming you have more interest in that client so I will address your questions as such.

My personal experience is that guys like this want companionship more than anything. We often spent an evening just TALKING over room service... or watching a movie... or just doing anything besides actual sex. We never even discussed money... it was just left on the table for me to pick up when I left the next AM. And yes... trappings matter. I think if you're doing in-call, it is incumbent upon you to think about those things you mentioned. Just as a small example... I always had mints on hand for afterwards. A stupidly, small thing, but from what repeat clients have told me, they remembered that... and appreciated it. It was different... and what you want as an escort is to be different... remembered... appreciated... dreamed of... repeated.

If you're doing out-call (I think wealthier guys like that better - it allows them to "show off"), I think it is incumbent on that person to provide the trappings... drink, music, food, etc. etc.

I think you're mixing two types... A HUGE assumption on my part, but I would guess that an escort who has tasted the good life (i.e. - had a true, ongoing, VIP client) will pursue that, and rarely go back to the simple, CL/BP 200/hr model, unless it becomes necessary. It is just too big of a dream to put down... AND IT FEELS REALLY NICE! :).

One type of client does care about ambiance... one probably does not... probably incredibly pleased that you just look like your pictures!

If your idea here is to try to create a way for girls in the TS escort world to have safer, more profitable, and "classier" encounters... more power to you. The odds are against you for sure, but then again...

"May the odds be ever in your favor."

[starkem]

Well thought out and given to all considerations and interests! Bravissimo!

I personally am at a stage in life where I would pay for four figures with no sex than an hour for one hundred bucks. But I'm soft at this point...and to each his own anyway. I don't knock anyone engaged in the NSA run and done (client or professional aspect).

Is no sex a much safer endeavor? Not necessarily..... Are repeat customers a more lucrative business strategy? Perhaps not as well. One has to craft the MAGIC best suited for the end game desired. I am reminded of the race between the tortoise (turtle) and the hare (wabbit)..however, my story ends with no clear winner despite the respective and obvious advantages of one to the other.


THAT being said... [EDIT: Oops... meant for this to piggy-back on my last post... guess I took too long![/EDIT]

Jamie is, in fact, largely correct. As someone else in this thread has already stated, it is pretty difficult to improve on a business model that has existed since:

"Uggg... You give me fire, uggg. I give you wet place for man-club... ugg."

Also, you should narrow your inquiries. The mainstream escort model is vastly different than the TS escort model simply because of social norms. While still somewhat fringe, it is almost acceptable and even "normal" these days for guys to hire an escort on occasion. The good, ol' fashioned sex scandal with Little Black Books... disappearing. Thus, the VIP escort is probably working for a service that has a completely different business model than the escort working / representing themselves. If you're trying to ask a broad question enveloping ALL escorts, your questions are almost impossible to answer. If you're narrowing it to the TS escort trade, where there are basically no services and most girls actually represent themselves, then you can probably get some answers worth reading.

I can only speak from personal experience, which is pretty limited given I've only had one client who I would actually describe as wanting that GFE and didn't really care about price (we had a 4 figure agreement for a full night), and trust me, if I thought I could be successful in that market... I would do THAT in a second. It is a pretty good gig... if you can get it, as the saying goes. Given your last post, I am assuming you have more interest in that client so I will address your questions as such.

My personal experience is that guys like this want companionship more than anything. We often spent an evening just TALKING over room service... or watching a movie... or just doing anything besides actual sex. We never even discussed money... it was just left on the table for me to pick up when I left the next AM. And yes... trappings matter. I think if you're doing in-call, it is incumbent upon you to think about those things you mentioned. Just as a small example... I always had mints on hand for afterwards. A stupidly, small thing, but from what repeat clients have told me, they remembered that... and appreciated it. It was different... and what you want as an escort is to be different... remembered... appreciated... dreamed of... repeated.

If you're doing out-call (I think wealthier guys like that better - it allows them to "show off"), I think it is incumbent on that person to provide the trappings... drink, music, food, etc. etc.

I think you're mixing two types... A HUGE assumption on my part, but I would guess that an escort who has tasted the good life (i.e. - had a true, ongoing, VIP client) will pursue that, and rarely go back to the simple, CL/BP 200/hr model, unless it becomes necessary. It is just too big of a dream to put down... AND IT FEELS REALLY NICE! :).

One type of client does care about ambiance... one probably does not... probably incredibly pleased that you just look like your pictures!

If your idea here is to try to create a way for girls in the TS escort world to have safer, more profitable, and "classier" encounters... more power to you. The odds are against you for sure, but then again...

"May the odds be ever in your favor."

[GroobyKrissy]

Well thought out and given to all considerations and interests! Bravissimo!

I personally am at a stage in life where I would pay for four figures with no sex than an hour for one hundred bucks. But I'm soft at this point...and to each his own anyway. I don't knock anyone engaged in the NSA run and done (client or professional aspect).

Is no sex a much safer endeavor? Not necessarily..... Are repeat customers a more lucrative business strategy? Perhaps not as well. One has to craft the MAGIC best suited for the end game desired. I am reminded of the race between the tortoise (turtle) and the hare (wabbit)..however, my story ends with no clear winner despite the respective and obvious advantages of one to the other.

Sorry Hon :)... forgot I was involved in this thread!

Thanks. I like magic, fables, and people who flatter my massive ego. You are now on my "good" list.

[Tyler___Durden]

to steal a 7k pound rolex watch and run away
:iagree:
That thread got deleted...:cry:
I loved that thread.

Martina, if you're reading this, please drop us a line to let us all know how you're getting on,
...and what the time is! :peanutbutter