Khloe Hart scene - Cheerleaders 13

[RallyCola]

has anyone else seen the Khloe Hart scene from Transsexual Cheerleaders 13. The dude calls her a guy on more than one occasion in the scene. I find that dialogue extremely offensive and I'm surprised that it was used in the movie.

[EvaCassini]

who's the guy? talent or photographer?

[RallyCola]

talent. i know he was told to say it by the director...so it is not the talent's fault...it is the design of the scene. i think his name is chad...i've only seen him in a few clips in the last year.

[RallyCola]

http://www.devilsfilm.com/en/Transsexual-Cheerleaders-13-Scene-04/scene/53493

chad diamond

[EvaCassini]

oh shit...Chad? I met him at the awards parties, he was super sweet. He is new to the TS niche.

Honestly, i dont know of ANY scene that would make the "director" feel the need to use male pronouns for TS porn. Especially someone as pretty as Khloe.

LMAO Maybe if the "ts" was Hugh Jackman in drag perhaps :p

[RallyCola]

oh shit...Chad? I met him at the awards parties, he was super sweet. He is new to the TS niche.

Honestly, i dont know of ANY scene that would make the "director" feel the need to use male pronouns for TS porn. Especially someone as pretty as Khloe.

LMAO Maybe if the "ts" was Hugh Jackman in drag perhaps :p

that's what i am saying...in the opening of the scene, chad plays dumbfounded after he sees khloe in the shower saying stuff like "khloe...is that even your real name" and how the cheerleading team will be mad that a guy is on the squad, etc. it is a really fucked up exchange done to set the scene up.

[Dino Velvet]

has anyone else seen the Khloe Hart scene from Transsexual Cheerleaders 13. The dude calls her a guy on more than one occasion in the scene. I find that dialogue extremely offensive and I'm surprised that it was used in the movie.

That's pretty shitty to do to Khloe or any TS. I really wish the more offensive words in the titles of these films could be phased out too. Transsexual or TS is fine but Shemale and Tranny got to go.

[wiltthestilt]

No more offensive than what is done in straight porn and has been done for years. If its offensive take your business elsewhere.

[danthepoetman]

Khloe has been in a few very rough type of scenes. She might not be opposed to some roughness of different types.
Of course, I don't think it's a good idea to call a t-woman a guy; it's on the contrary very detrimental to the already immensely difficult transsexual cause. But then again, I wander if Khloe is not so feminine (she is to me, she's just unmistakably feminine) that such things would seem just a game to her.
I mean, who would confuse Khloe for a guy? Your hormones have to be seriously fucked up (excuse the French, but I am) to see a guy in this adorable, vulnerable little being...

[EvaCassini]

No more offensive than what is done in straight porn and has been done for years. If its offensive take your business elsewhere.

your point has no value.

With TS/trannies/shemales/tg w/e, being called male pronouns or male w/e is not at all nice.

We strive and work our asses off to become more and more feminine; taking hormones, getting surgeries, legally changing documents for the purpose of being female.

If we didnt do those things, then sure call us men but since we do, respect our wishes and call us what we prefer to be called. There's no need for any of that "take your business somewhere else" bullshit, in reference to said topic.

BTW, what in mainstream, is there a girl and the male talent/director calling her a guy, dude, or man? Never heard of that bull.
Oh, are you talking about Mulan? To Wong Foo? White Chicks? :wiggle:

[nysprod]

your point has no value.

With TS/trannies/shemales/tg w/e, being called male pronouns or male w/e is not at all nice.

We strive and work our asses off to become more and more feminine; taking hormones, getting surgeries, legally changing documents for the purpose of being female.

If we didnt do those things, then sure call us men but since we do, respect our wishes and call us what we prefer to be called. There's no need for any of that "take your business somewhere else" bullshit, in reference to said topic.

BTW, what in mainstream, is there a girl and the male talent/director calling her a guy, dude, or man? Never heard of that bull.
Oh, are you talking about Mulan? To Wong Foo? White Chicks? :wiggle:

I agree, there's no place for this at all. These people go thru a lot to become who they want to be...no need to disrespect them.

[wiltthestilt]

your point has no value.

With TS/trannies/shemales/tg w/e, being called male pronouns or male w/e is not at all nice.

We strive and work our asses off to become more and more feminine; taking hormones, getting surgeries, legally changing documents for the purpose of being female.

If we didnt do those things, then sure call us men but since we do, respect our wishes and call us what we prefer to be called. There's no need for any of that "take your business somewhere else" bullshit, in reference to said topic.

BTW, what in mainstream, is there a girl and the male talent/director calling her a guy, dude, or man? Never heard of that bull.
Oh, are you talking about Mulan? To Wong Foo? White Chicks? :wiggle:

As opposed to "Trannyhunter;" "Tranny-trick;" "Sluts with Nuts;" "He's my Girl," ect.? As if this is a new phenomenon. Get offended all you want. Porn is and has been offensive for eons. Like gg's like to be called slut, whore, bitch, cum sucker, what-have-you. If it is offensive, stop purchasing it. Buy one of the handful of tasteful transsexual films on market.

[EvaCassini]

Please, more ignorance, more arrogance, bring it. you just dont get it do you?........

[wiltthestilt]

Please, more ignorance, more arrogance, bring it. you just dont get it do you?........

Sounds like you have quit trying to argue. Anyone else?

[danthepoetman]

Wiltthestilt, come on, amigo! First: please, don't talk to a girl that way.
I think you have a point: porn is sometime quite hard and quite rough, even for genetic girls. But consider that things are not the same for transsexual women. They have to go through immense hostility in society. But that's not the worst part, if it wasn't bad enough: they have to convince their own relatives of what they're going through. You see, transsexualism has biological origins. Usually, transsexual women know from early childhood that they are women. They have to fight incredible odds to fit their outward self to their inner feelings of identity. It's a hardship so drastic none of us in society can even suspect it. Maybe the worst possible. You have to be sensible to that, Wiltthestilt, please.
Now, Khloe has been in some hard scenes. I wish we could have her comments on what she felt like in the moment and after...

[EvaCassini]

Wiltie, how do you come to that result?

Seems like you enjoy to argue. The relevance of your comparison has no worth when speaking about Tgirls. Apples and oranges.

I don't mind being called a cocksucker ( i suck cock )
I don't mind being called a tranny ( i am one )
I don't mind being called a shemale ( i am one )
I don't mind being called transgender ( i am one )
I don't mind being called slut ( i am for my girlfriend and become one on film )
I don't mind being called whore ( I've whored a bit )
I don't mind being called buttfucker ( I fuck butts )
BUT
I don't like being called a guy ( i am not one )
I don't like being called man, he, him, his, male ( i am not one )
I don't like being called a bitch ( unless a cause for it is proven )

My licence, as with many/most trannies, says FEMALE with my legal FEMALE name.
I use the womens bathroom, not the mens, ESPECIALLY since I have BIG TITS and look female.

So...if a tgirl is NOT something you call her, WHY call her it.
And WHY do you think it is ok?

I have said it already but I guess I have got to reiterate.

We girls, go to extreme lengths to become female/feminine. We do NOT want to be called ANYTHING male.

That defeats the purpose of Tranny porn. Otherwise you are watching male gay porn with them wearing wigs and getting vacation tit implants for show in Thailand, then out again for the big business meeting in Seattle once vacation is up, or going back to the lumber yards for the next season.

P.S. Thank you Dan! :)

[wiltthestilt]

Wiltthestilt, come on, amigo! First: please, don't talk to a girl that way.
I think you have a point: porn is sometime quite hard and quite rough, even for genetic girls. But consider that things are not the same for transsexual women. They have to go through immense hostility in society. But that's not the worst part, if it wasn't bad enough: they have to convince their own relatives of what they're going through. You see, transsexualism has biological origins. Usually, transsexual women know from early childhood that they are women. They have to fight incredible odds to fit their outward self to their inner feelings of identity. It's a hardship so drastic none of us in society can even suspect it. Maybe the worst possible. You have to be sensible to that, Wiltthestilt, please.
Now, Khloe has been in some hard scenes. I wish we could have her comments on what she felt like in the moment and after...


How did I talk to her? Should I treat like her she's 10 years old? I think she can handle it.

On that same Devils Films site you will find a series's devoted to thuggish looking Black males gang banging White teenagers and Step Fathers having sex with their own step daughters. But I guess only now we've crossed the line of common decency. There is little tasteful to be found in that studio. If you rummaging through the gutter don't be surprised if you find filth.

[wiltthestilt]

Wiltie, how do you come to that result?

Seems like you enjoy to argue. The relevance of your comparison has no worth when speaking about Tgirls. Apples and oranges.

I don't mind being called a cocksucker ( i suck cock )
I don't mind being called a tranny ( i am one )
I don't mind being called a shemale ( i am one )
I don't mind being called transgender ( i am one )
I don't mind being called slut ( i am for my girlfriend and become one on film )
I don't mind being called whore ( I've whored a bit )
I don't mind being called buttfucker ( I fuck butts )
BUT
I don't like being called a guy ( i am not one )
I don't like being called man, he, him, his, male ( i am not one )
I don't like being called a bitch ( unless a cause for it is proven )

My licence, as with many/most trannies, says FEMALE with my legal FEMALE name.
I use the womens bathroom, not the mens, ESPECIALLY since I have BIG TITS and look female.

So...if a tgirl is NOT something you call her, WHY call her it.
And WHY do you think it is ok?

I have said it already but I guess I have got to reiterate.

We girls, go to extreme lengths to become female/feminine. We do NOT want to be called ANYTHING male.

That defeats the purpose of Tranny porn. Otherwise you are watching male gay porn with them wearing wigs and getting vacation tit implants for show in Thailand, then out again for the big business meeting in Seattle once vacation is up, or going back to the lumber yards for the next season.

P.S. Thank you Dan! :)


So...if a tgirl is NOT something you call her, WHY call her it.
And WHY do you think it is ok?

Did I say it was OK? I don't consider TS's men since I see TS escorts and don't consider myself gay. On the other hand, on the same Devils Films site you will find all manner of exploitation and demeaning material. I really don't know how we draw at line in the sand as to what is permissible when it comes to hardcore porn. I find it odd that this particular scene is the one that crossed the line.

[danthepoetman]

How did I talk to her? Should I treat like her she's 10 years old? I think she can handle it.
On that same Devils Films site you will find a series's devoted to thuggish looking Black males gang banging White teenagers and Step Fathers having sex with their own step daughters. But I guess only now we've crossed the line of common decency. There is little tasteful to be found in that studio. If you rummaging through the gutter don't be surprised if you find filth.
So, none of what I've said have any kind of meaning to you, Wiltthestilt? Please, my friend, read my post again. I acknowledge what you are saying. But please, read what I've written. I'm not being hostile, here.

[EvaCassini]

Ignorance and arrogance gets the best of him me thinks...reminds me A LOT of someone else we all know here COUGHFRANKLINCOUGH

[wiltthestilt]

So, none of what I've said have any kind of meaning to you, Wiltthestilt? Please, my friend, read my post again. I acknowledge what you are saying. But please, read what I've written. I'm not being hostile, here.

No one's being hostile. We are having a conversation. And I don't disagree with what you said. Devils Films pushes the line. Could the scene reasonably be viewed as offensive? Sure. No one is disputing that. But in the TS genre alone I've seen much worse shit. Maybe you have people who get turned on by Chloe Hart being called a boy. Should that sort of material exist for those who wish to view it? I really can't say. As it is, if you find it offensive don't purchase it or view it.

[EvaCassini]

Did I say it was OK? I don't consider TS's men since I see TS escorts and don't consider myself gay.

So you dont find it needed or warranted fine to call her Guy, man, he, him?

Now do you get it?

Same goes for TS porn. Hell, if that happened to me on set or any girl I know, I/we would have a big problem with it.

I just got back from San Fran for shooting for TSPussyHunters.com with Katja Kassin and the scene called for me to dom her. Tomcat ( the director, very nice guy ) felt no need ( never crossed his mind ) for me to be referred to as He, Guy, Him. It is uncalled for.

Even for Khloe's scene, albeit she was a "tranny" as a "cheerleader"...but the whole thing could most definitely be avoided by the simple act of, in that particular scene, trapping. No need for male pronouns. 99.99999999% of TS fans would realize that, and take it as such with no question... that, "OMG a TRANNY is a cheerleader, Why, That's unheard of, ONLY females should be cheerleaders, a "HE", a "GUY" as a cheerleader dressed in girls clothes? WHAT?!"

Do you see what I am saying?

[runround04]

I find it odd that she was okay with that, or if it was chalked up to acting a role for a scene? If it was me, Id refuse the role and tell em fuck off for proposing the idea.

[STARTUP999]

Eva, your logic is wasted on that guy. You cant win an arguent with an ignorant person. I always enjoy your perspective though.

[EvaCassini]

Eva, your logic is wasted on that guy. You cant win an arguent with an ignorant person. I always enjoy your perspective though.

hehe well thanks :). true, some are just too hardheaded to understand sadly.

[RallyCola]

As opposed to "Trannyhunter;" "Tranny-trick;" "Sluts with Nuts;" "He's my Girl," ect.? As if this is a new phenomenon. Get offended all you want. Porn is and has been offensive for eons. Like gg's like to be called slut, whore, bitch, cum sucker, what-have-you. If it is offensive, stop purchasing it. Buy one of the handful of tasteful transsexual films on market.


1) the titles you mention are largely south american so i give that a pass because it is a different culture and they are looking for a cleaver name.

2) i'm not talking about me being offended personally or khloe for that matter...i'm sure the dialogue was discussed in pre-production. i'm simply stating that i am shocked than an american producer would so blatantly undercut a woman by referring to her as a man. if the dialogue was, "you were born a dude" that's less offensive than to say "you are a dude" isn't it?

[nysprod]

I just got back from San Fran for shooting for TSPussyHunters.com with Katja Kassin and the scene called for me to dom her.

Do you see what I am saying?

You shot a P Hunter? Awesome!

[youngblood61]

Did you bang Katja's Big Ass Eva!!!!:salad:salad

[RallyCola]

for those that don't see the pronoun thing to be a problem, if you fucked khloe hart on friday night and were at the club on saturday and saw her. would you say to your friends..."yo, i fucked HIM good last night. HE sure can suck a dick!"

if you would, then i understand your acceptance of such language in porn. if you would not, i fail to see why an american producer can get away with it. referring to a transgender person by their birth gender and not present disposition is disrespectful, whether done by a news reporter or porn producer.

[wiltthestilt]

1) the titles you mention are largely south american so i give that a pass because it is a different culture and they are looking for a cleaver name.

2) i'm not talking about me being offended personally or khloe for that matter...i'm sure the dialogue was discussed in pre-production. i'm simply stating that i am shocked than an american producer would so blatantly undercut a woman by referring to her as a man. if the dialogue was, "you were born a dude" that's less offensive than to say "you are a dude" isn't it?

I appreciate your willingness to hold a conversation. I guess the difference is you are shocked and I am not. By the Director undercutting a woman; Im not surprised at all. Females are demeaned to the extent possible by studios like Devils Films. Ill grant you Ive never heard a gg called a "boy" "man" or "dude" in a film, but that is only because such terms would not resonate with the viewing audience. Slut, filthy whore, bitch, ect. are common place. Joey Silvera has a straight line called "Service Animals." Regarding TS porn, I can recall many scenes over the years where the guy finds the girl walking home or whatever, lifts up the skirt, and says shit like "you're not a girl" and other offensive phrases. During my first few years of watching TS porn it was pretty clear that TS's were treated at best as a third gender.

Regarding your example of meeting a TS at a club, of course it would be inappropriate to refer to her as male. In real life you wouldnt (usually) spit in a girls face or slap her while she's blowing you either. Some girls may be kinkier than others, but Ive never met one who wanted to be called a cum sucking slut. I had a girl who wanted me to choke her once but that is a case by case basis.