Who runs this country...

[plainBob]

Tell me something Who runs this country the People of the United States or the pres of mexico Fox. While our at why does Pres. Bush answer to that joke of a country mexio they cant even keep control of their border towns which have been taken over by drug cartels? It seems to me that Bush has to ask permission from Fox to secure our border or deport a grp of people that have no right to be here or be citizans. I got more respect fors those that come to this counrty legally than those that sneak across the border like thieves in the night. So there is my rant of the day all because of this

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12788967/

So lest hear your thoughts on this.

[specialk]

This an easy one:

Special interest......corporate lobbyist, religious interest, neo-cons, to name a few.

[shemalejunky]

Last time I checked, the Shemale Underground ran North America.

[White_Male_Canada]

This an easy one:

Special interest......corporate lobbyist, religious interest, neo-cons, to name a few.

Obviously,you`ve never attended an immigration rally event.

[specialk]

This an easy one:

Special interest......corporate lobbyist, religious interest, neo-cons, to name a few.

Obviously,you`ve never attended an immigration rally event.


Excuse me white meathead canada, perhaps you didn't read my post. It ends with the words : "to name a few".

[White_Male_Canada]

This an easy one:

Special interest......corporate lobbyist, religious interest, neo-cons, to name a few.

Obviously,you`ve never attended an immigration rally event.


Excuse me white meathead canada, perhaps you didn't read my post. It ends with the words : "to name a few".

Embarrassing when the Democrat party is registering foreigners to vote

and you generically refer to them as other and "to name a few ". So I

can understand why being caught out leads you to feel angry.

Your country will not be destroyed from without,but from within.

[specialk]

This an easy one:

Special interest......corporate lobbyist, religious interest, neo-cons, to name a few.

Obviously,you`ve never attended an immigration rally event.


Excuse me white meathead canada, perhaps you didn't read my post. It ends with the words : "to name a few".

Embarrassing when the Democrat party is registering foreigners to vote

and you generically refer to them as other and "to name a few ". So I

can understand why being caught out leads you to feel angry.

Your country will not be destroyed from without,but from within.


Where does is say in my post my political affiliation????????? For the record "embarrassed pinhead canada" i'm against illlegal immigration!!!!

stop trying to play "karnak the magnificant", and learn how to read at least you baffoon!!!

[Quinn]

WMC, while I agree with you that the Left’s conduct regarding the issue of illegal immigration is a betrayal of US interests, the fact is that the Right has not done any better. With respect to this issue, both movements have betrayed this nation’s interests to serve their own narrow agendas. Frankly, the whole issue is little more than some poorly crafted joke at the expense of America’s blue-collar workers.

-Quinn

[White_Male_Canada]

This an easy one:

Special interest......corporate lobbyist, religious interest, neo-cons, to name a few.

Obviously,you`ve never attended an immigration rally event.


Excuse me white meathead canada, perhaps you didn't read my post. It ends with the words : "to name a few".

Embarrassing when the Democrat party is registering foreigners to vote

and you generically refer to them as other and "to name a few ". So I

can understand why being caught out leads you to feel angry.

Your country will not be destroyed from without,but from within.


Where does is say in my post my political affiliation????????? For the record "embarrassed pinhead canada" i'm against illlegal immigration!!!!

stop trying to play "karnak the magnificant", and learn how to read at least you baffoon!!!

I understand your anger.

You claimed the neocons ( code word for DA JUUZ ) are in favor of open borders when in fact they tried to pass legislation in the House making it a Felony and the Democrats opposed the measure.

And of course the priceless photographic evidence of the Democrat party attempting to register foreigners to vote,for them of course.

It`s a typical re-action when getting caught,the person usually becomes enraged.

Your pinhead pols want open borders. No country has ever survived such a suicidal policy. You`re country is doomed to implode.

Up hear we arrest them and kicked them out ASAP. We weven grab their kids and hold them in detention until the parents show up and then we nab them too. Do it legally and they are welcome,illegally,they`re out.

[specialk]

This an easy one:

Special interest......corporate lobbyist, religious interest, neo-cons, to name a few.

Obviously,you`ve never attended an immigration rally event.


Excuse me white meathead canada, perhaps you didn't read my post. It ends with the words : "to name a few".

Embarrassing when the Democrat party is registering foreigners to vote

and you generically refer to them as other and "to name a few ". So I

can understand why being caught out leads you to feel angry.

Your country will not be destroyed from without,but from within.


Where does is say in my post my political affiliation????????? For the record "embarrassed pinhead canada" i'm against illlegal immigration!!!!

stop trying to play "karnak the magnificant", and learn how to read at least you baffoon!!!

I understand your anger.

You claimed the neocons ( code word for DA JUUZ ) are in favor of open borders when in fact they tried to pass legislation in the House making it a Felony and the Democrats opposed the measure.

And of course the priceless photographic evidence of the Democrat party attempting to register foreigners to vote,for them of course.

It`s a typical re-action when getting caught,the person usually becomes enraged.

Your pinhead pols want open borders. No country has ever survived such a suicidal policy. You`re country is doomed to implode.

Up hear we arrest them and kicked them out ASAP. We weven grab their kids and hold them in detention until the parents show up and then we nab them too. Do it legally and they are welcome,illegally,they`re out.


My pinhead from canada friend , your posts since you showed up here are laughable at best . Your haven't addressed a topic with a relevent response since you showed up. Your problems are deeply psychological, from what reason I have no idea or interest. Masochism is really your forte'.

[The American Nightmare]

Embarrassing when the Democrat party is registering foreigners to vote Are you suggesting that the Democratic Party is trying to register those who are ineligible to vote?

[chefmike]

You claimed the neocons ( code word for DA JUUZ ) are in favor of open borders when in fact they tried to pass legislation in the House making it a Felony and the Democrats opposed the measure.

LMAFAO...so now you're implying that all those who recognize that the chickenhawk neocons and their stooges in the white house are war profiteers and vermin are anti-semitic? In that case there must be a lot of Jews in this country who hate themselves...

[White_Male_Canada]

This an easy one:

Special interest......corporate lobbyist, religious interest, neo-cons, to name a few.

Obviously,you`ve never attended an immigration rally event.


Excuse me white meathead canada, perhaps you didn't read my post. It ends with the words : "to name a few".

Embarrassing when the Democrat party is registering foreigners to vote

and you generically refer to them as other and "to name a few ". So I

can understand why being caught out leads you to feel angry.

Your country will not be destroyed from without,but from within.


Where does is say in my post my political affiliation????????? For the record "embarrassed pinhead canada" i'm against illlegal immigration!!!!

stop trying to play "karnak the magnificant", and learn how to read at least you baffoon!!!

I understand your anger.

You claimed the neocons ( code word for DA JUUZ ) are in favor of open borders when in fact they tried to pass legislation in the House making it a Felony and the Democrats opposed the measure.

And of course the priceless photographic evidence of the Democrat party attempting to register foreigners to vote,for them of course.

It`s a typical re-action when getting caught,the person usually becomes enraged.

Your pinhead pols want open borders. No country has ever survived such a suicidal policy. You`re country is doomed to implode.

Up hear we arrest them and kicked them out ASAP. We weven grab their kids and hold them in detention until the parents show up and then we nab them too. Do it legally and they are welcome,illegally,they`re out.


My pinhead from canada friend , your posts since you showed up here are laughable at best . Your haven't addressed a topic with a relevent response since you showed up. Your problems are deeply psychological, from what reason I have no idea or interest. Masochism is really your forte'.

Think before you type.

Your selective memory failed to recall Ted Kennedy out front,on the podiums,at open border rallies. The Democrats need the illiterate,who else will vote for them. Blatantly registering foreigners at rallies ! How low can the dems go.

" They say you should report to deport. I say report to become American citizens "

Empires always crumble from within.

http://www.tedkennedy.com/journal/802/kennedy-joins-thousands-on-the-mall-for-immigration-rally

[White_Male_Canada]

Embarrassing when the Democrat party is registering foreigners to vote Are you suggesting that the Democratic Party is trying to register those who are ineligible to vote?

Yes.

-Nov. 6, 2000, (one day before the national election) the California Democratic Party sent thousands (upwards of 4 million by some estimates) of mailers out to immigrants who had citizenship requests before the INS. These non-citizens were informed, in both English and Spanish, that they were registered to vote as a Democrat and given a special identification card to "help...voting go more smoothly."

-Ex Gov. Gray Davis motor voter law allowed foreigners a driver`s license, one need only lie about their immigration status and they were able to register to vote.

-D.C., Mayor Anthony Williams when speaking of non-citizens voting, ” committed to expanding the franchise…it isn't citizenship.”

-Voter ID requirements were vetoed by Democratic governors in states like New Hampshire, Kansas and Wisconsin,New Mexico.

-Matricula ID's,given out by Mexico, is accepted as a valid form of identification by police departments, banks and 12 states for driver's license applications." Next step,register to vote.

The House got it right. The Senate,half the Republicans and virtually all the Democrats are way off base on this one.Inluding the POTUS.

[chefmike]

Blatantly registering foreigners? The chimp-in-chief is most certainly using this issue as a desperate attempt to boost his historically low poll ratings, anyway...even though he blatantly pandered to the immigrant vote in his (un)election campaign...
And despite my mixed feelings on the immigration issue, and it's impact on american labor, let's not forget that we are a nation of immigrants here in the USA...

And it's also good to know that Canada has it's own bigoted, reich-wing assholes like yourself to deal with, not just the USA...

[Felicia Katt]

I think Bush was escorting this woman, and her seditious flag, to the border, not trying to get her vote. LOL

FK

[Quinn]

And despite my mixed feelings on the immigration issue, and it's impact on american labor, let's not forget that we are a nation of immigrants here in the USA...


This is a good point. We are a nation of immigrants. Legal immigration has traditionally been, and continues to be, a positive force in shaping this nation. Illegal immigration, by contrast, which contributes comparatively little to this nation's tax base while demanding much from our social services, is overwhelmingly negative. Every time I hear this bullshit about "they do the work that American's won't do," it's all I can do not to laugh. The reason many working-class and poor Americans no longer take many of the jobs now occupied by illegal immigrants is because the wages have been driven unreasonably low.

Think about it. How many Americans are willing to work landscaping for three dollars an hour? That is now the going rate at the shore. Many of the guys I went to high school with now run crews made up entirely of illegal immigrants that are paid under the table.

-Quinn

[Felicia Katt]

And Laura meant it was ok to sing the national anthem in Mexico, not here in America. After all, since our country was founded, there has never been Spanish version of the National anthem

FK

[The American Nightmare]

I'm not sure how I feel about this issue, but I'm glad that it's getting attention. The legal immigration route is a nightmare.

Further listening.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5376038

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5397034

The second story really highlights the mountain of bureaucracy that must be climbed.

[Felicia Katt]

oops, my bad


in 1919, the U.S. Bureau of Education commissioned a Spanish-language version of “The Star Spangled Banner.” The State Department’s website also features four-separate versions of the anthem in Spanish.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/02/spanish-anthem/

FK

[Felicia Katt]

On a more serious note, I'm not making fun of the serious issue of immigration. I'm making fun of the hypocricy Its a complex, divisive issue with no easy answers, and it shouldn't be exploited for political gain, or exploded as a smokescreen for the failure in Iraq or the ongoing eruption of Republican corruption.

FK

[specialk]

On a more serious note, I'm not making fun of the serious issue of immigration. I'm making fun of the hypocricy Its a complex, divisive issue with no easy answers, and it shouldn't be exploited for political gain, or exploded as a smokescreen for the failure in Iraq or the ongoing eruption of Republican corruption.

FK

Well Felicia my love allow me to have some fun with the current crop-o-losers.

[The American Nightmare]

Oh, and hopefully I'm not too late for the bad joke:


Who runs this country...
The illuminati.

[White_Male_Canada]

And despite my mixed feelings on the immigration issue, and it's impact on american labor, let's not forget that we are a nation of immigrants here in the USA...


Every time I hear this bullshit about "they do the work that American's won't do," it's all I can do not to laugh. The reason many working-class and poor Americans no longer take many of the jobs now occupied by illegal immigrants is because the wages have been driven unreasonably low.

Think about it. How many Americans are willing to work landscaping for three dollars an hour? That is now the going rate at the shore. Many of the guys I went to high school with now run crews made up entirely of illegal immigrants that are paid under the table.

-Quinn

So what happens when foreigners who have violated the law are rewarded with citizenship and become Americans?

They`ll be Americans, who won`t want to do jobs that illegals do. So another wave of millions of law breakers flood into your country.Then they are rewarded,become citizens,then more.....etc,etc,. Final result,Aztlan.

http://www.aztlan.net/

The Senate immigration reform bill would allow for up to 193 million new legal immigrants -- a number greater than 60 percent of the current U.S. population -- in the next 20 years, according to a study released yesterday.
"The magnitude of changes that are entailed in this bill -- and are largely unknown -- rival the impact of the creation of Social Security or the creation of the Medicare program," said Robert Rector, senior policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation who conducted the study.
Although the legislation would permit 193 million new immigrants in the next two decades, Mr. Rector estimated that it is more likely that about 103 million new immigrants actually would arrive in the next 20 years.
Sen. Jeff Sessions, Alabama Republican who conducted a separate analysis that reached similar results, said Congress is "blissfully ignorant of the scope and impact" of the bill, which has bipartisan support in the Senate and has been praised by President Bush.
"This Senate is not ready to pass legislation that so significantly changes our future immigration policy," he said yesterday. "The impact this bill will have over the next 20 years is monumental and has not been thought through."
The 614-page "compromise" bill -- hastily cobbled together last month by Republican Sens. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Mel Martinez of Florida -- would give illegal aliens who have been in the U.S. two years or longer a right to citizenship. Illegals who have been here less than two years would have to return to their home countries to apply for citizenship.
Although that "amnesty" would be granted to about 10 million illegals, the real growth in the immigrant population would come later.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060516-125016-4401r.htm

[trish]

i believe it was Quinn who said

Think about it. How many Americans are willing to work landscaping for three dollars an hour? That is now the going rate at the shore. Many of the guys I went to high school with now run crews made up entirely of illegal immigrants that are paid under the table.

how 'bout we raise the minimum wage to a livable standard and enforce it. then it will be more difficult for employer's to save money by breaking the law using illegal workers.

[Quinn]

i believe it was Quinn who said

Think about it. How many Americans are willing to work landscaping for three dollars an hour? That is now the going rate at the shore. Many of the guys I went to high school with now run crews made up entirely of illegal immigrants that are paid under the table.

how 'bout we raise the minimum wage to a livable standard and enforce it. then it will be more difficult for employer's to save money by breaking the law using illegal workers.

Raising the minimum wage will do little to affect the employment of illegal aliens – the majority of whom are employed off of the books anyway. Unfortunately, currently existing laws regarding the employment of illegal aliens are both ineffective and unenforceable. Any newly enacted laws concerning this issue will be similarly ineffective because influential elements within the GOP have as much of a vested interest in allowing uncontrolled illegal immigration to continue as the Democrats do.

-Quinn

[plainBob]

Trish you said a mouthful in one line. The problem is the minimum wage in the US. 5.15 is min where i live and you cant take care of yourself much less your family on that. The raiseing of the min wage and punishing those who hire illegals will stop the distruction of the US. And yes they are destroying it they overtax the health care services and flood the public schools but dont pay their fair share. They smuggle drugs and could bring in bio, chemical or nuclear weapons. The smugglers dont care, that joke of a 3rd world country called mexico does not care 30% or more of their groos national income is from illegals in the US. My main question was were does mexico a country much like france (mexico gets paid to surrender) get off telling us how we can protect our borders. Mexico only collects 11% of its taxes, it military and police are bought and paid for by drug cartels. Bush allows mexican military to cross into the us anytime it likes. T hey tell smugglers where border patrol are set up. They even print booklets telling these people how to sneak in. All the while acting like they are doing no wroung. Cut all US money to that joke of a 3rd world nation and it is a joke. They dont have control of thier border towns, the drug cartels do.

So back to my main question. Where does this asshole Fox get off telling the US what to do? Maybe he should clean up his own counrty before pointing to ours.

[plainBob]

Felicia loved your thoughts but i never been one that cared about the anthem hell majority of the kids today cant read at a 4th grade lvl. I blame that joke of a education plan of Bush. I'm a school teacher and its hard to want to keep doing the job when your told you cant fail a student when he or she will not do anything. But thats another topic .

[Felicia Katt]

Bush now wants to send 6,000 National Guard to the border, but in 2005 he signed a law to add thousands of border patrol agents along the U.S.-Mexico border and under his proposed 2006 budget, provided only enough funds for just 210 new border agents.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/02/09/MNGOKB837T1.DTL

To put it terms Bush would understand, he was for more border agents before he was against them and before he was for them again. That would be a flip flop flip. or is it a flop flip flop?

As far as the Bush plan to use National Guard, here is what the Dept of Homeland Security thought of the idea:

Well, the National Guard is really, first of all, not trained for that mission,” . “I mean, the fact of the matter is the border is a special place. There are special challenges that are faced there.”
“I think it would be a horribly over-expensive and very difficult way to manage this problem,” “Unless you would be prepared to leave those people in the National Guard day and night for month after month after month, you would eventually have to come to grips with the challenge in a more comprehensive way"
The only thing Bush is trying to grip is his base. And his hands are sweating and that 29 per cent grade is getting more slippery all the time.

FK

[Vicki Richter]

I walked in a large Cesar Chavez rally in AZ a month or two ago. The speakers were speaking spanish over the loudspeakers. There were a bunch of gang members there wearing their colors as well. Gotta love the Raiders gear from head to toe. There were a bunch of drunk guys in pickups cat calling my sister and I. I wouldn't have done it (the walk) on my own, but my sister puts everyone here to shame for being liberal and it was her birthday. It wasn't like I am against it either so I wasn't being a hypocrit. It was a kind of cool experience.

The problem with the immigration movement is just that. There is an expectation of conformity from the majority in the US. Come here, learn to speak english like all the immigrants before you, don't represent gangs at political rally's, etc.