Addicted

[Valentine_80]

I'm 30, I live in London.

I've had 'real' girl girlfriends my whole adult life, one relationship lasting 5 years, another being 4 years, with the odd flings in between.

I have experienced dating with transsexuals in London, never an escort, and loved it.

It's actually starting send me crazy, the amount of time I think about tgirls. It's getting stupid, I've never been obsessed about anything.

I want children, I want to get married, but I don't think I'm ever going to stop this obsession I have? It will be unfair on the girl that I eventually end up with.

Anyone else have the same feelings?

I might try some sort of counselling.

[Saint_Frankenstein]

Why don't you just find a trans woman to settle down with and adopt?

[Valentine_80]

Yeah of course I've thought about that.

But I genuinely would like a biological child, I'm at that age now where I really want to settle down.

I have a good job, mortgage, feeling pretty settled.

Bored of the whole going out and partying.

I'm ready to chill out with someone now.

[danthepoetman]

Yeap, Valentine, you'll eventually have to make a choice. If you can't, seeking some help is always good.
If it really is something you need to do, well, there's always a surrogate mother, with an egg fertilized with your sperm... But one thing is certain to me: the worst you could do is to settle down with someone you don't completely desire, or with the thoughts of being with someone else, one girl or a whole lot of them.
All in all I think that if you find a girl whom you really fall for (g-girl or t-girl), all of this will probably seem much more simple; I mean, choosing shouldn't be so difficult in such circumstances...

[MacShreach]

Do some maths. You're thirty now. Find a gg, get married, have 2 kids with 2-3 years between. That means you're 35 before you're done breeding. You have to look after them and be there till they grow up, say 18. So you'll be 53 before you can find a tgirl to be with.:shrug

Personally, I think having kids was very much worth all those years. The first 18 or so were great anyway. It was even worth the last few miserable ones when my ex and I were only together for the kids. And, if I were 30 again, would I choose a transwoman as a lifetime partner? What if she turned back into a guy? That woudn't have worked.

It's a very personal decision, and I know I'll get flamed, but I would say, go with the GG and have kids. You never know, it might really defeat the odds and work. If it doesn't, stick with it till the kids are grown then call it quits, take an early retirement package and buy a condo in a nice part of Thailand or the RP, where you will be INUNDATED with gorgeous young transwomen just desperate to bounce on your cock.

[Valentine_80]

Do some maths. You're thirty now. Find a gg, get married, have 2 kids with 2-3 years between. That means you're 35 before you're done breeding. You have to look after them and be there till they grow up, say 18. So you'll be 53 before you can find a tgirl to be with.:shrug

Personally, I think having kids was very much worth all those years. The first 18 or so were great anyway. It was even worth the last few miserable ones when my ex and I were only together for the kids. And, if I were 30 again, would I choose a transwoman as a lifetime partner? What if she turned back into a guy? That woudn't have worked.

It's a very personal decision, and I know I'll get flamed, but I would say, go with the GG and have kids. You never know, it might really defeat the odds and work. If it doesn't, stick with it till the kids are grown then call it quits, take an early retirement package and buy a condo in a nice part of Thailand or the RP, where you will be INUNDATED with gorgeous young transwomen just desperate to bounce on your cock.

Wow! What a plan.

Problem is, I consider myself quite attractive at the moment. I'll be bald and fat by the time I'm 55 and will I still be able to pull the hot young ts girls by then? Probably not.

I'll end up old, alone and paying for sex.

[dderek123]

I'm going for the marry a TS and adopt children route.

I may regret this decision (you never know what may happen) but I love my partner. I've lived in Thailand for 5 years and ladyboys bouncing on your cock is great but it can be a lonely existence. I'm not 55 so maybe by then I wouldn't worry about that. At the moment, I'd rather be close to my family and the woman I love.

[MacShreach]

Wow! What a plan.

Problem is, I consider myself quite attractive at the moment. I'll be bald and fat by the time I'm 55 and will I still be able to pull the hot young ts girls by then? Probably not.

I'll end up old, alone and paying for sex.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE FAT AND OUT OF SHAPE AT FIFTY!!!!! Ok you might be bald, but so's Sean Connery FFS. Watch your diet, stay active, dress well. It's not so hard.

You will definitely be able to pull young Asian transwomen. Every observer I know of says the same thing: the trans population in LOS and RP is growing, not shirinking. Since almost NO local men will go near them except on the very very DL (so fuckin low they're sliding along the gutter IMO) you will still look like a very attractive proposition.

And since this masterful scheme will mean that you have kids, even when the urge leaves, you won't be alone. :D:D:D

[MacShreach]

I'm going for the marry a TS and adopt children route.

I may regret this decision (you never know what may happen) but I love my partner. I've lived in Thailand for 5 years and ladyboys bouncing on your cock is great but it can be a lonely existence. I'm not 55 so maybe by then I wouldn't worry about that. At the moment, I'd rather be close to my family and the woman I love.

Credit to you sir. I sincerely hope it works for you both.

I go beyond the simple cock-bouncing myself, I was just illustrating the fact that, as you must know, being over fifty does not equal 'on the shelf' when it comes to LBs.

[bluesoul]

i think a question you need to ask yourself is why you're so addicted to thinking about transsexuals. is it simply about sex or is it something else?

how do you know this addiction to thinking about them (or fantasizing) will go away after you start dating one or marrying?


Problem is, I consider myself quite attractive at the moment. I'll be bald and fat by the time I'm 55 and will I still be able to pull the hot young ts girls by then? Probably not.

I'll end up old, alone and paying for sex.

if you have lots of money @ 55, then you can always be a sugar daddy to one of the transsexuals and then at least you won't end up alone (but you'll be paying)

[MacShreach]

i think a question you need to ask yourself is why you're so addicted to thinking about transsexuals. is it simply about sex or is it something else?

how do you know this addiction to thinking about them (or fantasizing) will go away after you start dating one or marrying?



if you have lots of money @ 55, then you can always be a sugar daddy to one of the transsexuals and then at least you won't end up alone (but you'll be paying)

Surely the idea is that she fulfils his fantasies? He's coming to terms with the fact that he's transattracted, that's all.

and

Oh, you always pay. Might be cash, might be kind. But you pay.

[bluesoul]

Surely the idea is that she fulfils his fantasies? He's coming to terms with the fact that he's transattracted, that's all.


is he falling in love with someone strictly because they're a transsexual or because of the person they are? what if he falls in love with a tgirl that doesn't like to have sex? has she still fulfilled his fantasies? or how about a t-girl that doesn't return his love? maybe she just likes him, but wouldn't admit to being fully in love. is that still fine? after-all, she does meet his requirements right?

also, what i meant when i said "he will pay" is because: if he's specifying that the girl he wants to be with has to be a transsexual, then that girl will probably specify that the man she wants to be with has to have a fat wallet.

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE FAT AND OUT OF SHAPE AT FIFTY!!!!! Ok you might be bald, but so's Sean Connery FFS. Watch your diet, stay active, dress well. It's not so hard.

You will definitely be able to pull young Asian transwomen. Every observer I know of says the same thing: the trans population in LOS and RP is growing, not shirinking. Since almost NO local men will go near them except on the very very DL (so fuckin low they're sliding along the gutter IMO) you will still look like a very attractive proposition.

And since this masterful scheme will mean that you have kids, even when the urge leaves, you won't be alone. :D:D:D
Hi, please clarify LOS and RP please. I'm not sure about moving to Thailand and marrying a ladyboy. http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/episode/my-thai-bride.html Even though this documentary is on Thai women I'd be suspicious of ladyboy motives too. From what I saw in the documentary falang/farang can't own land in Thailand or perhaps certain districts in Thailand but regardless something to be leery of.

[dderek123]

Hi, please clarify LOS and RP please. I'm not sure about moving to Thailand and marrying a ladyboy. http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/episode/my-thai-bride.html Even though this documentary is on Thai women I'd be suspicious of ladyboy motives too. From what I saw in the documentary falang/farang can't own land in Thailand or perhaps certain districts in Thailand but regardless something to be leery of.

LOS = "Land of Smiles" = Thailand

Land of Smiles is an old nick name for Thailand that you would find in tourism ads. They've changed it to Amazing Thailand.

Yeah you gotta be careful when marrying into a culture that is very different from your own. No Money No Honey is a popular t-shirt slogan in Thailand. My gf had to have her breasts augmented in Bangkok and we struck up a conversation with the owner of the clinic who is also a ladyboy. She estimated that 90% of the ladyboys in Thailand have had sex for money at some point in their lives.

[amberskyi]

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE FAT AND OUT OF SHAPE AT FIFTY!!!!! Ok you might be bald, but so's Sean Connery FFS. Watch your diet, stay active, dress well. It's not so hard.

You will definitely be able to pull young Asian transwomen. Every observer I know of says the same thing: the trans population in LOS and RP is growing, not shirinking. Since almost NO local men will go near them except on the very very DL (so fuckin low they're sliding along the gutter IMO) you will still look like a very attractive proposition.

And since this masterful scheme will mean that you have kids, even when the urge leaves, you won't be alone. :D:D:D

Ahh yes, let's prey upon the socially victimized to get ass scheme.what a bunch of stand up human beings on here

[Valentine_80]

The TS girls I've dated here in London have all been from the philippines.

They were all lovely and so convincing. The relationship always broke down due to my hesitation to commit.

I need to sort myself out. I'm throwing away what could be fantastic relationships, and it's all down to me picturing myself with a family and children.

[amberskyi]

Yeap, Valentine, you'll eventually have to make a choice. If you can't, seeking some help is always good.
If it really is something you need to do, well, there's always a surrogate mother, with an egg fertilized with your sperm... But one thing is certain to me: the worst you could do is to settle down with someone you don't completely desire, or with the thoughts of being with someone else, one girl or a whole lot of them.
All in all I think that if you find a girl whom you really fall for (g-girl or t-girl), all of this will probably seem much more simple; I mean, choosing shouldn't be so difficult in such circumstances...

Everyone ignored his great advice..surrogacy!

[amberskyi]

Honestly tho allot of guys wait until they're older to actually try to have a real relationship with a ts woman and it's hardly ever age appropriate woman they are pursuing.
If your 50+ trying to settle down with a 20 something hot ts girl please don't expect it to be genuine, your just going to get your feelings hurt

[Valentine_80]

Everyone ignored his great advice..surrogacy!

Wow, your new name should be Miss Negative.

[amberskyi]

Wow, your new name should be Miss Negative.

I prefer Ms.Bitch personally lol

[MacShreach]

Honestly tho allot of guys wait until they're older to actually try to have a real relationship with a ts woman and it's hardly ever age appropriate woman they are pursuing.
If your 50+ trying to settle down with a 20 something hot ts girl please don't expect it to be genuine, your just going to get your feelings hurt
Sorry, Amber, what is 'age appropriate' in the US is not elsewhere. Just the way it is. Just because Americans see things one way doesn't mean we all have to. xx

[MacShreach]

The TS girls I've dated here in London have all been from the philippines.

They were all lovely and so convincing. The relationship always broke down due to my hesitation to commit.

I need to sort myself out. I'm throwing away what could be fantastic relationships, and it's all down to me picturing myself with a family and children.

Transpinays can be very nice. I should know... But they all have families back home and you will be expected to help support them. It's just the Asian way, (as is, of course, the fact that they are frequently up for relationships with older men.)

Also, they are not the most patient, but to be fair they get a lot of guys who can't commit...You only get a certain time and that's it. However I would say that while Thai girls are mainly about sex (and money) Pinays are about love (and money). :D

Oh and Pinays are great fun.

[MacShreach]

Hi, please clarify LOS and RP please. I'm not sure about moving to Thailand and marrying a ladyboy. http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/episode/my-thai-bride.html Even though this documentary is on Thai women I'd be suspicious of ladyboy motives too. From what I saw in the documentary falang/farang can't own land in Thailand or perhaps certain districts in Thailand but regardless something to be leery of.
Dderek clarified LOS for you, and RP stand for 'Republic of the Philippines'. They don't much like it when you call it the 'PI' because that is a term derived from the colonial era, when the US occupied the Philippines. They are proud of their independence.

[bluesoul]

I'm not sure about moving to Thailand and marrying a ladyboy. http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/episode/my-thai-bride.html Even though this documentary is on Thai women I'd be suspicious of ladyboy motives too.

well, why is the guy in that story going to thailand for the women? in his words, women in england are “priced out of my market.” so basically, i can't get laid back, so let me go where i can get laid. simple exploitation because he knows by simply being english (and caucasian) he's desirable as a farrang.

so in turn, it's only natural someone will exploit this advantage. also note that his vocabulary equates women as being "priced". this is about what he can get, not about an equal relationship where he gives & gets (well, i guess apart from the money he will give for the control he desires).

it's somewhat similar to what a lot of colonists did- except this time rather than land and resources, they'll just pillage the people themselves- under the guise of love.

[bluesoul]

Sorry, Amber, what is 'age appropriate' in the US is not elsewhere. Just the way it is. Just because Americans see things one way doesn't mean we all have to. xx

you're right. in some islamic countries, it's perfectly okay to marry women under 18

[MacShreach]

it's somewhat similar to what a lot of colonists did- except this time rather than land and resources, they'll just pillage the people themselves- under the guise of love.

If you're going to go down that line, then you need to lump in porn, prostitution and every other area where people exchange their bodies, looks or sexuality for financial security. Quite apart from the fact that this would be at best a bizarre POV in a porn-oriented forum, it would demolish entirely the Western concept of marriage as a whole.

But it's not like that, because your argument depends on a deception. Colonisation occurred where people used force of arms to coerce other people into doing their bidding or out of their land, (as I seem to recall happened in the US.) Fulfilling someone's desires for a financially secure life woth someone who loves and appreciates them, in exchange for love, sex, and companionship, bears no relation to that, except in the loony-tunes minds of feminazis and their fellow travellers, of which I wonder if you are one.

[MacShreach]

you're right. in some islamic countries, it's perfectly okay to marry women under 18
Gosh the American cultural imperialism and ignorance of others is really on show today, isn't it, Sparky?

Just for your education, it's quite all right to marry women under 18 in MOST OF THE WORLD, not just the Islamic parts. For example, UK=16, France=15, Spain=13. In fact only Malta in Europe is the permitted age of marriage as old as 18.

Once again, just because Americans say it's so, doesn't mean the other 97% of the planet need to agree, now does it?

[bluesoul]

But it's not like that, because your argument depends on a deception.

it's wasn't always like that with colonialists either. take for example missionaries. one doesn't require deception to exercise exploitation. in fact, it's most elegantly executed with open arms. want an example? prostitution is illegal in thailand, but tolerated because nobody is going to go there except diplomats, hippies and junkies looking to recover in the monasteries.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8vcrx3NqG1rtv6pmo1_400.gif

[MacShreach]

it's wasn't always like that with colonialists either. take for example missionaries. one doesn't require deception to exercise exploitation. in fact, it's most elegantly executed with open arms. want an example? prostitution is illegal in thailand, but tolerated because nobody is going to go there except diplomats, hippies and junkies looking to recover in the monasteries.


Get back to me when you've sobered up

[bluesoul]

Gosh the American cultural imperialism and ignorance of others is really on show today, isn't it, Sparky?

Just for your education, it's quite all right to marry women under 18 in MOST OF THE WORLD, not just the Islamic parts. For example, UK=16, France=15, Spain=13. In fact only Malta in Europe is the permitted age of marriage as old as 18.

Once again, just because Americans say it's so, doesn't mean the other 97% of the planet need to agree, now does it?

i'm actually english. and i'm amerikan too. :)

btw: i love how you proudly listed the countries where it's legal to marry girls under 18. isn't diversity great? i'd say it is

[littletwink]

There are open-minded women out there. You just have to be both diligent and patient in your search for a good match.

Mine is open-minded enough for us to enjoy a fairly cool life together.

[amberskyi]

Transpinays can be very nice. I should know... But they all have families back home and you will be expected to help support them. It's just the Asian way, (as is, of course, the fact that they are frequently up for relationships with older men.)

Also, they are not the most patient, but to be fair they get a lot of guys who can't commit...You only get a certain time and that's it. However I would say that while Thai girls are mainly about sex (and money) Pinays are about love (and money). :D

Oh and Pinays are great fun.

This statement validates my point about younger woman dating older guys for financial stability.
I wonder how much ass one would get if they were both old and broke

[amberskyi]

Gosh the American cultural imperialism and ignorance of others is really on show today, isn't it, Sparky?

Just for your education, it's quite all right to marry women under 18 in MOST OF THE WORLD, not just the Islamic parts. For example, UK=16, France=15, Spain=13. In fact only Malta in Europe is the permitted age of marriage as old as 18.

Once again, just because Americans say it's so, doesn't mean the other 97% of the planet need to agree, now does it?

I don't think this is a question about perceived American superiority but about what kind of adult would be interested in someone who hasn't reached sexual/physical,emotional and mental maturity

[MacShreach]

This statement validates my point about younger woman dating older guys for financial stability.
I wonder how much ass one would get if they were both old and broke
Has always been the way of it. Young and broke woman plus mature and financially stable guy, is a proven success. Just the way it is.

[MacShreach]

I don't think this is a question about perceived American superiority but about what kind of adult would be interested in someone who hasn't reached sexual/physical,emotional and mental maturity


You're traducing me. I was refuting bluesoul's completely misleading statement about the legal age of marriage. I was not suggesting that adults would be interested in etcetc. They are two quite distinct points. And the point was not about American (self) perceived superiority, but about the commonplace American assumption that just because things are done one way there, they are, or should be, done that way elsewhere. Doesn't work that way.

[dderek123]

what kind of adult would be interested in someone who hasn't reached sexual/physical,emotional and mental maturity

Sexual/physical,emotional and mental maturity relative to who or what?

[giovanni_hotel]

I agree with Amber. If tgirls are what you really WANT, choose happiness first. You can figure out the kids part later and find a way to carry your genetic legacy into the next generation.

[dderek123]

Sexual/physical,emotional and mental maturity relative to who or what?

Ahh with the age difference. Gotcha now. My morning jog has made my head a bit fuzzy.

[Valentine_80]

I agree with Amber. If tgirls are what you really WANT, choose happiness first. You can figure out the kids part later and find a way to carry your genetic legacy into the next generation.

'Genetic legacy into the next generation'

Love this...

[fivekatz]

i think a question you need to ask yourself is why you're so addicted to thinking about transsexuals. is it simply about sex or is it something else?

how do you know this addiction to thinking about them (or fantasizing) will go away after you start dating one or marrying?
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These are fair questions and ones I think you are asking yourself by posing this questions.

In fairness and experience may I share that if you are so fortunate to find the love of your life, a person that makes you laugh and makes rush with passion and joy in bed it is my guess you will some how figure out how to have children and grow old together. You will be most blessed.

One day at a time with expectations in tow often create the most magical unions and fully plotted and event planned relationships keep the law firms going as they sort out just who owned Jackson Browne's Running on Empty.

On the meantime enjoy the day and each other IMHO!

[SheWantsTheD]

Well I know I am addicted. I gave up a perfectly good marriage material gg to chase the tranny dream.
If I didn't I would have ended up one of those husbands that cheats on his wife and kids with ts. I didn't want to be that guy.


Honestly tho allot of guys wait until they're older to actually try to have a real relationship with a ts woman and it's hardly ever age appropriate woman they are pursuing.
If your 50+ trying to settle down with a 20 something hot ts girl please don't expect it to be genuine, your just going to get your feelings hurt

And what is your plan for the future? Will you settle down or have children?

[MacShreach]

Well I know I am addicted. I gave up a perfectly good marriage material gg to chase the tranny dream.
If I didn't I would have ended up one of those husbands that cheats on his wife and kids with ts. I didn't want to be that guy.

Your sentiments are good, I think you'll be fine.




And what is your plan for the future? Will you settle down or have children?

Ah the dilemma. See, for every guy of 'appropriate age' (itself a discriminatory concept) who is prepared to go with it and commit to a transwoman for life, there are thousands...in fact probably hundreds of thousands, if you look worldwide, of transwomen looking for that one guy. There are whole nations and cultures where transwomen literally have no chance whatsoever of meeting a local (age appropriate or otherwise) man and settling down with him. In some places, and the RP is a case in point but this happens elsewhere too, for example Brazil, the transwoman will work to pay the guy for sex and companionship; and the minute a better prospect comes along or his family finds out what he's doing, she's history. And even when they are together, there is no chance of going out together or being a real couple, cause the last thing he's going to do is be seen in public with a transwoman.

In circumstances like this, an older, emotionally stable, financially secure, decent-looking guy (from any bleeding culture) who is prepared to love the girl for who she is, take her out for meals or to the cinema or theatre, see bands, go to the beach, actually share a life with her and care about her, is a heaven-sent knight in shining armour. Maybe she would like it if he were 20 years younger; but she's not dumb enough to pass up a chance of happiness for an impossible dream.

It's just the usual thing, you know. The world is not America, and America is not the world. Sorry.

[amberskyi]

Well lucky for me I'm a young hot blooded American and my options are great and varied lol

[amberskyi]

Well I know I am addicted. I gave up a perfectly good marriage material gg to chase the tranny dream.
If I didn't I would have ended up one of those husbands that cheats on his wife and kids with ts. I didn't want to be that guy.



And what is your plan for the future? Will you settle down or have children?

I had a chance to truly settle down but i made the mistake of wanting to be wild and young over someone who truly loved me.
I won't be making that mistake twice.

[dderek123]

I had a chance to truly settle down but i made the mistake of wanting to be wild and young over someone who truly loved me.
I won't be making that mistake twice.

Sounds like you learned from the experience.
Well you're still young and beautiful you never know what may happen next.

[amberskyi]

Feminist rant:
Wtf is up with this whole "addicted" shit any way.do you think people of different sexual preferences are running around calling their attraction an addiction lmao??
Addiction has negative connotations, do you consider your attraction to ts woman a bad thing? Ts woman are so highly fetishized and sexualized that it doesn't first occur to people that being with a ts could just be something natural

[Valentine_80]

Feminist rant:
Wtf is up with this whole "addicted" shit any way.do you think people of different sexual preferences are running around calling their attraction an addiction lmao??
Addiction has negative connotations, do you consider your attraction to ts woman a bad thing? Ts woman are so highly fetishized and sexualized that it doesn't first occur to people that being with a ts could just be something natural

Who knows, but it is an addiction I think. I remember when I went on my first ever date with a ts, about 9 years ago. She actually said men get addicted and it becomes an obsession so watch out.

I wouldn't say I was obsessed, when I'm out and gorgeous gg walks past my balls ache. I go on dates and have relationships with gg's all the time, but when I'm alone and horny, it's 90% ts porn that I would masturbate over (never a ts topping a guy)

Another reason my relationships with a ts have never worked out is because the level of attention they need is different in my eyes. Though they have all been Filipino to be fair. Constant texting / phone calls. Just can't handle it.

Ahh well, I'm sure it'll all come together at some point.

[TSMichelleAustin]

WOW this is so fucked up... ur a disgrace to men!!! Horrible how u cant have a family or life with a transsexual. LOSER! There are ways to have a bio child with ur trans lover, anyways men like u are pigs and should have to pay to be with a tranny! And men wonder why trans women escort, because men like this look at us all as a fantasy but not a real thing. FUCKING LOSER!

[Valentine_80]

WOW this is so fucked up... ur a disgrace to men!!! Horrible how u cant have a family or life with a transsexual. LOSER! There are ways to have a bio child with ur trans lover, anyways men like u are pigs and should have to pay to be with a tranny! And men wonder why trans women escort, because men like this look at us all as a fantasy but not a real thing. FUCKING LOSER!

That's nice. Thank you.

[fire.starterman]

Gotta say to the comment about looking at transsexuals as sex objects, mens first feeling towards anyone whether they are gay straight or trans orientated is a sexual one. People get too offended when someone sees them as a sex object. It's called attraction.

[giovanni_hotel]

I don't have a problem with straight men calling their attraction to trannies an 'addiction'.

All it means is that for a regular guy who grew up chasing chicks and pussy since puberty, to wake up one day and realize your attraction to TS is GREATER in many ways than your attraction to GGs can be mind-altering.

I've already noticed different levels of arousal I have when I'm with a GG compared to the times I've been with a tgirl. I can literally feel my heart beat out of my chest when I've messed around with a TS, and I haven't felt that way with a GG since I was a young teen over 20 years ago.

Maybe it's the newness, the scarcity of TS supply. I don't know.
But the feeling of addiction to tgirls, something you have no control over and just overwhelms you, IMO is very accurate.

[MacShreach]

Gotta say to the comment about looking at transsexuals as sex objects, mens first feeling towards anyone whether they are gay straight or trans orientated is a sexual one. People get too offended when someone sees them as a sex object. It's called attraction.

Men objectify everything. It's because we are the hunter/protectors. We make responsive classifications of environmental factors--threat/safe, good/bad, attractive/not attractive, will buy/won't buy etc almost instantly. Women do this far less.

However they can't really complain about what is an innate male characteristic any more than we can complain about them taking three hours and visiting 6 boutiques to buy a bikini top. Gatherers are naturally much more picky, that's all. Somewhere in the distant past, picking the wrong plant might have wiped half the tribe. :shrug

[MacShreach]

I don't have a problem with straight men calling their attraction to trannies an 'addiction'.

All it means is that for a regular guy who grew up chasing chicks and pussy since puberty, to wake up one day and realize your attraction to TS is GREATER in many ways than your attraction to GGs can be mind-altering.

I've already noticed different levels of arousal I have when I'm with a GG compared to the times I've been with a tgirl. I can literally feel my heart beat out of my chest when I've messed around with a TS, and I haven't felt that way with a GG since I was a young teen over 20 years ago.

Maybe it's the newness, the scarcity of TS supply. I don't know.
But the feeling of addiction to tgirls, something you have no control over and just overwhelms you, IMO is very accurate.

Giovanni, I have always thought your posts were thoughtful and often enlightening. You did it again.

[SheWantsTheD]

Gotta say to the comment about looking at transsexuals as sex objects, mens first feeling towards anyone whether they are gay straight or trans orientated is a sexual one. People get too offended when someone sees them as a sex object. It's called attraction.
I really hated this about transsexuals when I first started meeting them. I tried to treat them like normal girls and all they did was use me for sex. They didn't want to get to know me and they didn't want me to get to know them. All they wanted to know was how big my cock was and see more pics of my body and get me to fuck them in front of the mirror etc etc.
They view me as a sex object and nothing more. Then the same tgirls turn around and say we do it to them just because we watch them in porn. I don't treat people I meet in real life as if they are a porn star I treat them as people. Or at least I did at first. I left the scene for a few months but when I returned I came back accepting that I was a sex object and I decided I would treat them as such. But it wasn't the real me it was an act. I was always hopeful of finding one I could call my own girlfriend and now thats finally happening :)


I don't have a problem with straight men calling their attraction to trannies an 'addiction'.

All it means is that for a regular guy who grew up chasing chicks and pussy since puberty, to wake up one day and realize your attraction to TS is GREATER in many ways than your attraction to GGs can be mind-altering.

I've already noticed different levels of arousal I have when I'm with a GG compared to the times I've been with a tgirl. I can literally feel my heart beat out of my chest when I've messed around with a TS, and I haven't felt that way with a GG since I was a young teen over 20 years ago.

Maybe it's the newness, the scarcity of TS supply. I don't know.
But the feeling of addiction to tgirls, something you have no control over and just overwhelms you, IMO is very accurate.
:iagree:

[steeveX]

After a decade in this "scene" I would admit I was kinda addicted as well, but not any more. In fact, I am put off by so many aspects of this subculture these days I have lost almost all interest. Of course, I don't know what your deal exactly is, but as with many guys I lost interest and turned back to real females. My only very thin connection to this scene these days are half year visits to this forum, and even those get shorter every time.

[MacShreach]

After a decade in this "scene" I would admit I was kinda addicted as well, but not any more. In fact, I am put off by so many aspects of this subculture these days I have lost almost all interest. Of course, I don't know what your deal exactly is, but as with many guys I lost interest and turned back to real females. My only very thin connection to this scene these days are half year visits to this forum, and even those get shorter every time.


I think a lot of men dabble because it's different and exciting, but once it becomes normal and habitual, move on. Also I have certainly known a number of men who decided, after a long time getting off to TS porn, to hire a TS escort to 'top' them (against my advice), couldn't handle it and bugged out. And there are other guys who either get fed up of fucking anuses or who decide that being with a natal woman gives them that option too. Some guys are into TS until they decide they want to marry and have kids, and sadly for any TS they might be involved with, that's time up.

I'd be interested in knowing what the aspects of the subculture that put you off yourslf are though. (You'd be welcome to PM me that if you'd rather, I won't pass it on.)

[Tits McButts]

Sorry, Amber, what is 'age appropriate' in the US is not elsewhere. Just the way it is. Just because Americans see things one way doesn't mean we all have to. xx

Taking advantage of children that don't have the capacity to quite comprehend the situation is reprehensible irregardless of mutual consent. I'll agree that it's ridiculous that an 18 year old can go to jail for having a consensual relationship with a 17 year old, but most people aren't equipped to maturely deal with concepts of sex and successful relationships until they're into their twenties.

[MacShreach]

Taking advantage of children that don't have the capacity to quite comprehend the situation is reprehensible irregardless of mutual consent. I'll agree that it's ridiculous that an 18 year old can go to jail for having a consensual relationship with a 17 year old, but most people aren't equipped to maturely deal with concepts of sex and successful relationships until they're into their twenties.
And your point is? Amber and I were not discussing people under the age of twenty.

[Tits McButts]

Gotta say to the comment about looking at transsexuals as sex objects, mens first feeling towards anyone whether they are gay straight or trans orientated is a sexual one. People get too offended when someone sees them as a sex object. It's called attraction.

You got rocks in your head? Perhaps you have a point; the first illicit reaction to an attraction is physical, but how are you going to let that take over your entire line of communication and motive? You seem to suggest that you don't have the willpower to make it through a conversation without disrespecting a chick just because you've got chubbs. That's pretty pathetic.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

I wouldn't call it an addiction...I lean more toward the term 'preference'. I still enjoy the beauty and interaction (socially and sexually) with GGs. However, I 'prefer' the community and experience of this very special class of ladies.

[MacShreach]

I wouldn't call it an addiction...I lean more toward the term 'preference'. I still enjoy the beauty and interaction (socially and sexually) with GGs. However, I 'prefer' the community and experience of this very special class of ladies.
I like ordinary women and get on well with most of them, usually. I am not really interested in pursuing any romantic attachment with them however and prefer to spend my time with transwomen. So I would agree that it's my preference. (Pretty powerful one though...)

[MrF]

After a decade in this "scene" I would admit I was kinda addicted as well, but not any more. In fact, I am put off by so many aspects of this subculture these days I have lost almost all interest. Of course, I don't know what your deal exactly is, but as with many guys I lost interest and turned back to real females. My only very thin connection to this scene these days are half year visits to this forum, and even those get shorter every time.

Funny how close this is to my feeling ... I was kinda addicted for several years but over the last 3 years I've moved on. Well, mostly. I still check this board sometimes. I guess that for some of us it's a phase, not a lifelong desire. (desire is a much better word than addiction)

On the OP, I would agree with some others that you should follow your heart. You could adopt kids, perhaps. You'd have to discuss plans with a potential mate. If she agrees, then you make a plan. But if you want your own kids ... that's a dilemma.