So Girls... What do you think of a bottom guy?

[Chrisvella]

Girls this is a question for you, though gents any experiences you have on the question would be welcome and interesting...

I want to know what you girls think of guys who like to bottom?

Would you consider them less manly or desirable?

Just so I know what to say if I ever pluck up the courage to go to the Way Out Club...

[amberskyi]

Unappealing but that's just me

[boomer23]

My personal opinion is most guys who are interested in TLadies are more oriented to be bottoms. If I wanted a real lady, there are thousands available, it is the idea that the TLady has something the others do not.

[LibertyHarkness]

i only like tops outside of work . i dont think a bottom is less manly than a top only male , just for me personally i dont enjoy sticking my cock in a mans asshole .

For escorting / Shooting I have done it , as its just work and i can zone out and with that its irrelevant if i am enjoying myself or not as long as you look happy doing it lol

[ClareSensual]

I consider them to be men who are stimulated by the idea of a role reversal. I suspect that gives them the biggest charge out of it. Those who experience it are rewarded with prostate stimulation, too. ;)

So I understand it in a way. While I do not necessarily consider these men any less masculine, I cannot avoid feeling that they are abdicating their roles as men. That's the whole point of the kink, isn't it? But it would do nothing for me, other than admittedly stimulate my little pee pee. (All 3.25" of it when it's "hard.") I would enjoy it physically, but not psychologically, and I want the whole experience of being with a man.

I posted yesterday about my last attempt. It was only because the guy really wanted me to do it and I had just finished rimming his big, delicious Puerto Rican ass. There it was. And it was up in the air. And he was pleading. The old gay boy impulses kicked in and I mounted him. But my clenis (plit?) would only touch his tight asshole. It would not go in. I ended up cumming on his ass. It was very exciting, I will admit, but not exactly successful.

So I would have to say I have mixed feelings. It's certainly not my preference.

[amberskyi]

My personal opinion is most guys who are interested in TLadies are more oriented to be bottoms. If I wanted a real lady, there are thousands available, it is the idea that the TLady has something the others do not.

I find the exact opposite to be true, at least when it comes to dating socially

[ClareSensual]

I find the exact opposite to be true, at least when it comes to dating socially

I find that while almost all love seeing it, and many want to lick and suck it, only a minority want to be fucked by it.

[boomer23]

Amber, would that be perhaps because most guys think a "Tlady" is easy?

[Willie Escalade]

My personal opinion is most guys who are interested in TLadies are more oriented to be bottoms. If I wanted a real lady, there are thousands available, it is the idea that the TLady has something the others do not.
Here we go again...:smh

[MacShreach]

My personal opinion is most guys who are interested in TLadies are more oriented to be bottoms. If I wanted a real lady, there are thousands available, it is the idea that the TLady has something the others do not.

So you're saying that transwomen (or transladies) are not real women? I can't wait to see how this goes.

[ClareSensual]

If I wanted a real lady, there are thousands available


Have you heard about our asses? :kiss:

[MacShreach]

Girls this is a question for you, though gents any experiences you have on the question would be welcome and interesting...

I want to know what you girls think of guys who like to bottom?

Would you consider them less manly or desirable?

Just so I know what to say if I ever pluck up the courage to go to the Way Out Club...

Sure. If you're paying, yeah of course. Part of the deal. If you're not paying, better than 90% instant turnoff. (Way better.) Have a look at what the girls who have responded already say.

Thing is, lots of guys believe the sales pitch. But ask yourself, why would anyone go through all the shit a transwoman does, hormones, surgery, shit from society...just to fuck a guy in the ass?:shrug

[amberskyi]

Amber, would that be perhaps because most guys think a "Tlady" is easy?

What does a guy preferring to top have to do with a ts woman being easy? I'm failing to see the connection

[boomer23]

So you're saying that transwomen (or transladies) are not real women? I can't wait to see how this goes.
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No, perhaps that did not come out correctly, perhaps genetically would have been a better way to phrase it.

[boomer23]

Amber, difficult to explain in an open forum. too many others read between the lines, or draw different conclusions.

[Prospero]

As Willie said - here we go again. This is very familiar terrain and pretty soon the usual suspects will pitch up screeching about how men who like to bottom are faggots, and then guys will come in fretting about if they are gay or not .... i guess I've sen this discussion too often. Yaaaawwwwwnnnnn

[Willie Escalade]

I'm yawning as well...mostly because I've been up for about 13 hours now.

And no, I don't like to bottom.

[amberskyi]

As Willie said - here we go again. This is very familiar terrain and pretty soon the usual suspects will pitch up screeching about how men who like to bottom are faggots, and then guys will come in fretting about if they are gay or not .... i guess I've sen this discussion too often. Yaaaawwwwwnnnnn

So fat none of that has happened.stop being dramatic

[SheWantsTheD]

Girls this is a question for you, though gents any experiences you have on the question would be welcome and interesting...

I want to know what you girls think of guys who like to bottom?

Would you consider them less manly or desirable?

Just so I know what to say if I ever pluck up the courage to go to the Way Out Club...
I think they are less manly or gay. Gay men can be very manly but most of these bottom dudes are really girly and fantasize day and night about a powerful tgirl dominating them and making them their bitch/slave or whatever. Watersports and what not.


My personal opinion is most guys who are interested in TLadies are more oriented to be bottoms. If I wanted a real lady, there are thousands available, it is the idea that the TLady has something the others do not.
:bs:
That is bullshit. More like the guy is more likely to give head than to let that thing go up his bum.
I was first interested in tgirls because I was so turned on by the fact that I could actually SEE that she was turned on by the obvious boner. And then I was more impressed that I could actually SEE her cum. I tend to miss when genetic girls cum since they are moaning and screaming the whole time I don't know or feel when it actually happens. They just tell me at the end if they did or didn't and how many times.
I guess I just like the visuals.

As Willie said - here we go again. This is very familiar terrain and pretty soon the usual suspects will pitch up screeching about how men who like to bottom are faggots, and then guys will come in fretting about if they are gay or not .... i guess I've sen this discussion too often. Yaaaawwwwwnnnnn
Well I haven't seen this sort of debate yet being new around. I won't say they are faggots for being bottom but I think they are more likely guys who have small endowment, like bondage and toys (because of their small endowment they need extras to please).
Or they are guys who secretly cross dress or masturbate with things stuck up their ass. Perhaps they are just confused.
If its a one off then its probably just a guy experimenting, just to see what its like.
I myself wondered what it would be like for a tgirl to top me but then one rimmed me and I really didn't like it so I'm sticking with being a topper.
It took me two years of watching ts porn to finally allow myself to get off to some scenes of a guy being topped by a tgirl. I have come a long way, I may yet let my ass virginity go to a tgirl one day but for now I don't see it happening. I would probably need to be drunk or on something first, or the girl will really have to persuade me. Maybe I'll be in love with one and let her do it just for HER pleasure.


So fat none of that has happened.stop being dramatic
I wouldn't speak so soon hun. Here comes the newbie right now to fuck up your day!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8rc1bWpe71qc8pm4o1_500.jpg


:joke:

[Prospero]

Amber - not being dramatic. But you and I know there are a few folks on here who get a kick out of being abusive.... hopefully they're asleep or away. (and this wasn't in any way directed at you. I know you're a nice person)

[alyssaluxor]

I like guys who is h0t and h0rny and would just simply have fun in bed and do safe sex. No inhibitions at all. May he be top or bottom. I love versatile guys. I love being top and bottom in real life. I love fucking h0t, good looking and fit guys :)

But from my experience most bottoms are powerbottoms, they cant even top good they just want to be a total dead fish or vegetable in bed which turn me off. I want a guy whos active, passive and versatile where we would have lots of action in bed

[Prospero]

ShewantstheD wrote: " I think they are less manly or gay. Gay men can be very manly but most of these bottom dudes are really girly and fantasize day and night about a powerful tgirl dominating them and making them their bitch/slave or whatever. Watersports and what not.....
....I think they are more likely guys who have small endowment, like bondage and toys (because of their small endowment they need extras to please).
Or they are guys who secretly cross dress or masturbate with things stuck up their ass. Perhaps they are just confused."

I wonder where you get your "data" from? This just reads like you know nothing really apart from your own prejudices. I'd pay a lot more attention to the remarks of girls who've actually met lots of guys for a real sense of what men want. It's cool you like what you like - but its spurious to proclaim those who like something else must have small dicks or are "really girly" whatever. C'mon now...

[amberskyi]

Amber - not being dramatic. But you and I know there are a few folks on here who get a kick out of being abusive.... hopefully they're asleep or away. (and this wasn't in any way directed at you. I know you're a nice person)

Yea, but speaking about it is going to jinx it lol

[BluegrassCat]

Sure. If you're paying, yeah of course. Part of the deal. If you're not paying, better than 90% instant turnoff. (Way better.) Have a look at what the girls who have responded already say.

Thing is, lots of guys believe the sales pitch. But ask yourself, why would anyone go through all the shit a transwoman does, hormones, surgery, shit from society...just to fuck a guy in the ass?:shrug

But ask yourself, why would anyone go through all the shit a transwoman does, hormones, surgery, shit from society...just to get fucked in the ass by a guy?

[Mr. Sinister]

There are a lot of cock hounds on Hungangels. Most of the transsexual women that I have met want to get sexual reassignment surgery. They do not like their penis. They have told me that men who love their cocks and want to bottom for them are repressed "gay" men and are tranny chasers. Real transsexual women are interested in masculine men who will treat them like real women, not a sexual fetish.

[Mr. Sinister]

To the guys who like to suck cock and bottom,

Most transsexuals in real life think you are disgusting. They want nothing to do with you. You view transsexual women as a sexual fetish.

[shermanwt]

There are a lot of cock hounds on Hungangels. Most of the transsexual women that I have met want to get sexual reassignment surgery. They do not like their penis. They have told me that men who love their cocks and want to bottom for them are repressed "gay" men and are tranny chasers. Real transsexual women are interested in masculine men who will treat them like real women, not a sexual fetish.

I love oral sex, both giving and receiving, no matter what the equipment my lover has down below. I have never bottomed, nor do I have any desire to do so. Sure, both GG's and TG's have rimmed me and even sunk a finger, which, in all cases was physically pleasurable. I just can't understand how you can say oral sex with a TG lover is not treating them like a 'real woman' because every 'real woman' I have been with (GG and TG) seem to enjoy oral. It seems to me that your sampling of TG's is skewed by those who may have issues with their cocks and are hinging their identity on their genitalia as opposed to their head and heart.

[TempestTS]

I try not to think of bottom guys - I dont want to be reminded that they are "people" - it takes my mind off of the horrible things Im planning to do to them.

[Mr. Sinister]

I love oral sex, both giving and receiving, no matter what the equipment my lover has down below. I have never bottomed, nor do I have any desire to do so. Sure, both GG's and TG's have rimmed me and even sunk a finger, which, in all cases was physically pleasurable. I just can't understand how you can say oral sex with a TG lover is not treating them like a 'real woman' because every 'real woman' I have been with (GG and TG) seem to enjoy oral. It seems to me that your sampling of TG's is skewed by those who may have issues with their cocks and are hinging their identity on their genitalia as opposed to their head and heart.

Some transsexual women are non-op. The ones that want sexual reassignment surgery do not even want oral sex. The biggest complaint tgirls have told me is that they feel men are not serious about being with them and view them as only a sexual fetish to live out their gay and bisexual fantasies like taking a cock up their ass.

[dominoadmirer]

I try not to think of bottom guys - I dont want to be reminded that they are "people" - it takes my mind off of the horrible things Im planning to do to them.

Brilliant

[Bobzz]

To the guys who like to suck cock and bottom,

Most transsexuals in real life think you are disgusting. They want nothing to do with you. You view transsexual women as a sexual fetish.

You seem to be quite the authority on this. How about this...? It depends on the woman and who they're with. To be sure some transsexuals dislike the genitalia that they were born with and they want nothing to do with it, others are, preferentially what you might refer to as being mostly the bottom role while others still are, to some degree, more or less flexible about what goes where and by whom and finally some are decidedly OK in the top role. For the latter two groups, whether they've been on the bottom or the top, it was largely about the person they're with and pleasing their partner (and themsleves). I've personally known over a dozen pre-op transsexuals and they all fit along this spectrum, rather than as you suggest "in real life they think you are disgusting". The only thing I'll grant you is nobody likes to be viewed as a sexual fetish; that's not disgusting, it's degrading.

[girl]

I want to know what you girls think of guys who like to bottom?


Not my thing.. I mean, I don’t know what would I do with bottom guy.. I don’t top, anybody, never have, never will. That’s about it. As far as I’m concerned, if you are a bottom, go get a boyfriend...

[SheWantsTheD]

There are definitely a few non ops out there who want to top guys. I made the mistake of uploading nude full body pics from the side and the back. Alot of girls liked my ass which was fine, but some were messaging me saying they wanted to fuck me in the ass and on some meets, girls turned out to be vers and asked if they could stick me with it.
Now that I've removed these sorts of pictures I don't get anybody asking me for that sort of thing.
I would prefer to give a hot tgirl oral if shes got a nice one and its clean, but often times I don't because I can tell they don't like their dong so I just fuck them like I would a genetic, only in the ass.
On another side note, tgirls are way better at oral than genetic girls for some reason.

[Mr. Sinister]

Not my thing.. I mean, I don’t know what would I do with bottom guy.. I don’t top, anybody, never have, never will. That’s about it. As far as I’m concerned, if you are a bottom, go get a boyfriend...

This is how most of the transsexual women I know feel. If you want a hard dick that will fuck you up the ass and shoot loads of cum, a guy should consider another man, a transvestite, or a crossdresser. It makes no sense chasing a transsexual woman. Transsexual women only use their cocks in tranny porn or as escorts to make money. Too many men don't understand that.

[MacShreach]

This is how most of the transsexual women I know feel. If you want a hard dick that will fuck you up the ass and shoot loads of cum, a guy should consider another man, a transvestite, or a crossdresser. It makes no sense chasing a transsexual woman. Transsexual women only use their cocks in tranny porn or as escorts to make money. Too many men don't understand that.
Especially if she's on hormones. The fantasy satisfies a lot of guys though.

[Michelle.]

Guys if you're married why not try having your wife use a strap-on on you? They gotta be cheaper then a divorce lawyer.

[yosi]

This is how most of the transsexual women I know feel. If you want a hard dick that will fuck you up the ass and shoot loads of cum, a guy should consider another man, a transvestite, or a crossdresser. It makes no sense chasing a transsexual woman. Transsexual women only use their cocks in tranny porn or as escorts to make money. Too many men don't understand that.

different strokes for different folks .......

you are looking for these women with something extra only to ignore this something extra? makes sense to you , doesn't make sense to me....

if you want other to except you becuase you are different - first you have to except others who are different than you :cheers:

[MacShreach]

different strokes for different folks .......

you are looking for these women with something extra only to ignore this something extra? makes sense to you , doesn't make sense to me....

if you want other to except you becuase you are different - first you have to except others who are different than you :cheers:

Yeah, it makes perfect sense to me. As my mother used to say, if you don't know why, I can't tell you.

I'm not that bothered about being 'accepted', for a number of reasons, which probably derive from the fact that I have a nice life...I'm not crowing or putting anyone down, I'm just saying how it is...people can either accept me or not, it's all good.

I have nothing against men who like to 'bottom', it's their thing, not mine, that's cool.

None of which alters the fact that a majority of transwomen, and certainly an overwhelming majority of those regularly taking hormones, dislike being asked to 'top'.

What I do find surprising, given the number of times this is aired, is the level of defensiveness displayed by men who like to 'bottom', every time a question like this is asked (and not just here by any means) and the girls themselves tell them how it is. Is it something to do with having the illusion snatched away?

[Willie Escalade]

This right here. :D

Boy Is A Bottom - YouTube (www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0kqobQRcUo)

[Wendy Summers]

This right here. :D

Boy Is A Bottom - YouTube (www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0kqobQRcUo)

Damn you Willie! Last time I heard that it was a week until I got it out of my head.

[MacShreach]

This right here. :D



Fucking brilliant ROFLMFAO !!!! Classic.

[kuteguy]

I would say 99% of TGs will not top men. They are 'ladies' for a reason - they don't like having a penis.

I have met a few pre-ops who love to top but that is very rare. Mentioning to a TG that you like being bottom will usually get you very weird stares from them for 'being different and weird'. Kindda ironical wouldn't you say!

I am with one of the other posters when s/he said that part of the attraction being with a TG is that there is an extra package so why not enjoy the whole experience.

Flame me or whatever, but a GG and TG (pre or post-op) are going to be different in many ways. Even if a TG wants to go post-op they are never psychologically going to be the same as a GG. Part of my attraction to TGs is their openness to sex. Very rare to meet GGs like that in most countries in a 'normal' club (yeah in a fetish club the GGs might be open to being more openly sexual - I have never been to one). TGs also look after themselves more and look sexier than most GGs - love their body shapes. Tall, and slender.

Yep but each to their own.

[SheWantsTheD]

TGs also look after themselves more


I disagree with this part of your post. Having lots of sex is abusing yourself. Lots of tgirls do poppers and other things too. I find tgirls to be much more reckless than genetic women when it comes to their health.

[amberskyi]

I disagree with this part of your post. Having lots of sex is abusing yourself. Lots of tgirls do poppers and other things too. I find tgirls to be much more reckless than genetic women when it comes to their health.

Oh, is that a fact now lol

[amberskyi]

I would say 99% of TGs will not top men. They are 'ladies' for a reason - they don't like having a penis.

I have met a few pre-ops who love to top but that is very rare. Mentioning to a TG that you like being bottom will usually get you very weird stares from them for 'being different and weird'. Kindda ironical wouldn't you say!

I am with one of the other posters when s/he said that part of the attraction being with a TG is that there is an extra package so why not enjoy the whole experience.

Flame me or whatever, but a GG and TG (pre or post-op) are going to be different in many ways. Even if a TG wants to go post-op they are never psychologically going to be the same as a GG. Part of my attraction to TGs is their openness to sex. Very rare to meet GGs like that in most countries in a 'normal' club (yeah in a fetish club the GGs might be open to being more openly sexual - I have never been to one). TGs also look after themselves more and look sexier than most GGs - love their body shapes. Tall, and slender.

Yep but each to their own.

Outside of escorting I'm pretty prude..I'm not exactly what one would call DTF lol

[SheWantsTheD]

Oh, is that a fact now lol
I don't see too many women charging fees for sex because they want to enlarge their breasts. I don't see too many girls doing poppers either.
You wouldn't know, you only sleep with tranny chasers.

[Ms.Stepford]

I'm guessing you don't see too many girls.

[amberskyi]

I don't see too many women charging fees for sex because they want to enlarge their breasts. I don't see too many girls doing poppers either.
You wouldn't know, you only sleep with tranny chasers.

Guess you never been to a strip club bro lmao...get out more

[MacShreach]

Outside of escorting I'm pretty prude..I'm not exactly what one would call DTF lol

Yeah there's the fantasy and there's the reality, but some people just can't seem to see that. TS women are pretty much like...all women. Most want what all women want--to be loved, respected, to know their man is not fucking around with yay other chicks, to have a nice home and life with a man they care about and who actually cares about them enough to stick by them. And high up the list is not being put in positions where their basic womanhood is put in question.

They're definitely not all sex-crazed libertines, not by a very long way. But that's the fantasy that sells, so...

[MacShreach]

I don't see too many women charging fees for sex because they want to enlarge their breasts. I don't see too many girls doing poppers either.
You wouldn't know, you only sleep with tranny chasers.

Amber said it before I did. Just check the actual stats. There are WAY more natal women sex workers than transwomen, and that applies even in p4p paradises like Pattaya. Granted, a lot of natal women do it for other reasons--maybe they need to support kids and want the best they can for them, or their families. Generally, TS women don't have children to feed, but they are driven to spend a lot of money changing themselves. There's not that many options for most.

And as for drugs-- You really think that substance abuse is not a major problem for natal p4p girls?

[yosi]

None of which alters the fact that a majority of transwomen, and certainly an overwhelming majority of those regularly taking hormones, dislike being asked to 'top'.

What I do find surprising, given the number of times this is aired, is the level of defensiveness displayed by men who like to 'bottom', every time a question like this is asked (and not just here by any means) and the girls themselves tell them how it is. Is it something to do with having the illusion snatched away?

the majority of women - GGs , prefer the missionary position , very few like to be on top , even less like to use strapons on their men, does it mean that those who prefer to be on top are wrong? certainly not.

again , it's "different strokes for different poeple" , certainly not a defensiveness displayed by men who like to 'bottom'.

[Prospero]

I like to top and be bottom. I am not ashamed of that. Nor proud. it's a fact.
What surprises me is the level of aggression expressed by so many guys here with the clear preference of being top only.
The dumb remarks i highlighted a few posts ago are typical.

Why so angry guys? Is there some sort of insecurity going on here?

[Bobzz]

I like to top and be bottom. I am not ashamed of that. Nor proud. it's a fact.
What surprises me is the level of aggression expressed by so many guys here with the clear preference of being top only.
The dumb remarks i highlighted a few posts ago are typical.

Why so angry guys? Is there some sort of insecurity going on here?

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:

[bluesoul]

As Willie said - here we go again. This is very familiar terrain and pretty soon the usual suspects will pitch up screeching about how men who like to bottom are faggots, and then guys will come in fretting about if they are gay or not .... i guess I've sen this discussion too often. Yaaaawwwwwnnnnn

there will always be people who are new to this community and discovering their own sexuality so rather than telling them "i've already seen others asking the questions you have and now i'm yawning because you're doing it" don't you think it would be more helpful helping either helping them understand their dilema or perhaps addressing why there are so many people who seem to have similar questions?

if a transsexual started a thread titled "do i pass?" would you reply "here we go again. this is very familiar terrain... yawnnnn"

[bluesoul]

Flame me or whatever, but a GG and TG (pre or post-op) are going to be different in many ways. Even if a TG wants to go post-op they are never psychologically going to be the same as a GG. Part of my attraction to TGs is their openness to sex. Very rare to meet GGs like that in most countries in a 'normal' club (yeah in a fetish club the GGs might be open to being more openly sexual - I have never been to one). TGs also look after themselves more and look sexier than most GGs - love their body shapes. Tall, and slender.

Yep but each to their own.

wow... just wow:pissed:

[Prospero]

You are right blue soul. I should simply ignore these threads. The sort of prejudice they offer can only be overcome by experience. It was the degree of hostility these threads engender I was referring to in particular.

[girl]

Flame me or whatever, but a GG and TG (pre or post-op) are going to be different in many ways. Even if a TG wants to go post-op they are never psychologically going to be the same as a GG. Part of my attraction to TGs is their openness to sex.

And who the fuck are you to know that we’re psychologically different than cis women? Have you actually met any trans girl/woman in your life who is not a sex worker, or on online dating sites looking for sex, or outside of gay/trans clubs? Did it ever crossed your mind that maybe out there, there are some women just trying to live a normal everyday life, maybe not obsessed with sex and trying to live up to some scumbags dirty little fantasy? Yes, maybe around 95-99% of trans women are like that, not wanting to have anything with sex work, porn business, etc...
Psychologically, I have a scar for a lifetime, being born with the wrong genitalia and going through male puberty.. I am different psychologically becouse of that, not many GG have to go through male puberty.. and yes, it is a big deal, around 20% of trans persons do suicide becouse of that, before adulthood, or soon after puberty. Isn’t maybe feeling and being psychologically utterly and completely female A REASON to transition????

[SheWantsTheD]

I'm guessing you don't see too many girls.
I've been seeing girls since I was 16. I only just started seeing tgirls in the last 2 years. I've seen more than enough.


Guess you never been to a strip club bro lmao...get out more
I've been twice, I saw women dancing on poles and laps.

Amber said it before I did. Just check the actual stats. There are WAY more natal women sex workers than transwomen, and that applies even in p4p paradises like Pattaya. Granted, a lot of natal women do it for other reasons--maybe they need to support kids and want the best they can for them, or their families. Generally, TS women don't have children to feed, but they are driven to spend a lot of money changing themselves. There's not that many options for most.

And as for drugs-- You really think that substance abuse is not a major problem for natal p4p girls?
I wouldn't know lol, never looked for a natal woman sex worker.

[tranlove]

I can say that what I had learned here is that Tgirls aren't into bottoms, they seem to be like any other girl and like to be fucked. Many get the job done and that's it a job.

[SheWantsTheD]

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Most genetic women work regular jobs and never work as a stripper or anything like that their whole lives. Most trans women work in the sex industry at some point in their transition. Why? Because they claim they can't find proper jobs, that society judges them and really they are just lazy and looking for a quick path to boobs, srs and what not. They want to rush the transition instead of saving up money from a proper job. I know this is true because I have met a few DECENT people who are trying to transition and have been able to find regular jobs just like anyone else. Companies these days are open to equality and diversity. They take people on regardless of gender or race.
There are trans people with degrees and masters who gave up careers to transition, but this really only applies to people who were born in countries that are still behind the times and so they had to move to somewhere like America or England.
As long as a tgirl has an education from the western world (since foreign qualifications still don't get counted) she doesn't need to work in the sex industry, unless she is just taking a short cut as I said.
Genetic girls are more likely to get a boyfriend or husband to help buy them new boobs or get a nose job. Maybe even daddy will chip in if the girls work money isn't enough. She doesn't need to start selling sex to strangers. But who buys a tgirl boobs or srs directly? I haven't seen too many tgirls happily married and I don't know what boyfriend will get them tits. They are much more likely to start selling sex.

[MacShreach]

Most genetic women work regular jobs and never work as a stripper or anything like that their whole lives. Most trans women work in the sex industry at some point in their transition. Why? Because they claim they can't find proper jobs, that society judges them and really they are just lazy and looking for a quick path to boobs, srs and what not. They want to rush the transition instead of saving up money from a proper job. I know this is true because I have met a few DECENT people who are trying to transition and have been able to find regular jobs just like anyone else. Companies these days are open to equality and diversity. They take people on regardless of gender or race.
There are trans people with degrees and masters who gave up careers to transition, but this really only applies to people who were born in countries that are still behind the times and so they had to move to somewhere like America or England.


Tell me, are you a big Daily Mail reader? Or is The Sun more your flavour? Whichever, you don't need me to show you up; you do it beautifully yourself. I couldn't possibly do better.

[dderek123]

Natal women??? Like they are in the navy? Whatever floats your boat dude.

[MacShreach]

the majority of women - GGs , prefer the missionary position , very few like to be on top , even less like to use strapons on their men, does it mean that those who prefer to be on top are wrong? certainly not.

again , it's "different strokes for different poeple" , certainly not a defensiveness displayed by men who like to 'bottom'.

Well, speaking just for me, I said it's just a matter of choice, there's no better or worse. Preference is just preference. I really do not care what you or anyone else does in bed as long as it's consensual. Who cares? It doesn't make you less of a man, or at least I don't think so.

[MacShreach]

Natal women??? Like they are in the navy? Whatever floats your boat dude.

from Latin natalis, from nat- 'born', from the verb nasci'; relating to birth. Here'natal woman' means one born with a pussy. It saves us saying 'real woman' in a place where that would be likely to cause offence.



My pleasure...:D

[dderek123]

from Latin natalis, from nat- 'born', from the verb nasci'; relating to birth. Here'natal woman' means one born with a pussy. It saves us saying 'real woman' in a place where that would be likely to cause offence.



My pleasure...:D

I don't know what all that stuff means but these natal women sound hella kinky. It's mind bottling. :dancing:

[MacShreach]

I don't know what all that stuff means but these natal women sound hella kinky. It's mind bottling. :dancing:

Some are, some aren't. Mind bottling...mmmmm...that is just such an interesting concept. Maybe like that bit in Young Frankenstein when Marty Feldman finds the brain...

[MacShreach]

I just love Google images...

[dderek123]

Nice one!
http://i2.cpcache.com/product/195921273/mind_bottling_isnt_it_will_ferrell_magnet.jpg?heig ht=350&width=350

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

Girls this is a question for you, though gents any experiences you have on the question would be welcome and interesting...

I want to know what you girls think of guys who like to bottom?

Would you consider them less manly or desirable?

Just so I know what to say if I ever pluck up the courage to go to the Way Out Club...



I find that black tgirls...well the ones that are at least more than 4 inches and fully functional tend to enjoy using their dicks during their spare time. It should be obvious why the ones baring the opposite wouldn't be. Thus the reason you shouldn't get too despondent by the responses on this site.

I tend to top more than I bottom but to meet a tgirl who is completely one way or the other gets boring real quick. Which is why the versatile ones stick around the longest.

Anyway as far as this thread goes, it's okay to find like minds just as long as you understand that it's your opinion that should mater the most since what's the point of hooking up with some self entitled trans if your still not happy in the bedroom?

Trust me they are out there in abundance. They tend to find me before I find them LOL!

[Mr. Sinister]

To the cock hounds out there,

Get an escort or another man if you are looking to bottom. Transsexual women want to be treated like real women, even in the bedroom. They did not go through expensive hormone treatments and plastic surgery to put their cocks in your ass! Any man that sexually objectifies a transsexual women's penis is considered a tranny chaser! Transsexual women want masculine men that act like men in the bedroom. This is one of the major reasons why a lot of transsexual women have an easier time dating after they have their sexual reassignment surgery. Once they get a vagina, the cock hounds and tranny chasers won't be after them anymore!

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

This is how most of the transsexual women I know feel. If you want a hard dick that will fuck you up the ass and shoot loads of cum, a guy should consider another man, a transvestite, or a crossdresser. It makes no sense chasing a transsexual woman. Transsexual women only use their cocks in tranny porn or as escorts to make money. Too many men don't understand that.

We don't have to understand it or entertain it because your opinion nor your Facebook friends list is law....

I know plenty of tgirls who top and they're not cross dressers who do it for a fee or a video shoot either. So telling men to consider fucking other men or vestites just because you can't see past your own ignorance is disrespectful not to mention fuck-tarded.

Funny thing is that people this narrow-minded and trans-phobic are telling your silly ass to do the same thing, especially if any of the girls you've been with (if any at all) still had their dicks intact.

F.Y.I. more than half of lesbians and bisexual women enjoy topping their partners and that's despite being born with "vagina's". So the logic here stupid and close minded at best.

[MacShreach]

We don't have to understand it or entertain it because your opinion nor your Facebook friends list is law....

I know plenty of tgirls who top and they're not cross dressers who do it for a fee or a video shoot either. So telling men to consider fucking other men or vestites just because you can't see past your own ignorance is disrespectful not to mention fuck-tarded.

Funny thing is that people this narrow-minded and trans-phobic are telling your silly ass to do the same thing, especially if any of the girls you've been with (if any at all) still had their dicks intact.

F.Y.I. more than half of lesbians and bisexual women enjoy topping their partners and that's despite being born with "vagina's". So the logic here stupid and close minded at best.

Yup. That's exactly what I meant. :shrug

[Bobzz]

To the cock hounds out there,

Get an escort or another man if you are looking to bottom. Transsexual women want to be treated like real women, even in the bedroom. They did not go through expensive hormone treatments and plastic surgery to put their cocks in your ass! Any man that sexually objectifies a transsexual women's penis is considered a tranny chaser! Transsexual women want masculine men that act like men in the bedroom. This is one of the major reasons why a lot of transsexual women have an easier time dating after they have their sexual reassignment surgery. Once they get a vagina, the cock hounds and tranny chasers won't be after them anymore!

Yet another "expert" weighs in. You know the type "always certain, seldom correct". Geeeeez!

[Rabbiteyes]

Personally it is a huge turn off when a guy says they want to bottom (I'm attracted to masculinity / strength / dominating types). Though, there isn't anything wrong with a guy who likes to bottom (obviously, since, I'm just a feminine one ~_~).

I know some trans who like to top, but usually it is girls or other trans... I actually don't know any that tops guys... so... take that for what it's worth ~shrug~ I'm sure there are some out there.

Transitioning when you like to use your thing just seems risky to me in general...since, one of the big things the doctors warn you about is that you might lose your ability to function (and a lot do lol). So, there is that too ~_~

[yosi]

I would say 99% of TGs will not top men. They are 'ladies' for a reason - they don't like having a penis.

I have met a few pre-ops who love to top but that is very rare. .

if those few pre-ops who love to top are 1% ( 99% will not top men... ) , it means that you met hundreds if not thousands? :dancing:

you will be surprised how many TGs who bottom only as escorts , will top like crazy some guy they meet in their private life who gives them a hard on........ they are humans like any of us .

[nysprod]

Personally it is a huge turn off when a guy says they want to bottom (I'm attracted to masculinity / strength / dominating types). Though, there isn't anything wrong with a guy who likes to bottom (obviously, since, I'm just a feminine one ~_~).

I know some trans who like to top, but usually it is girls or other trans... I actually don't know any that tops guys... so... take that for what it's worth ~shrug~ I'm sure there are some out there.

Transitioning when you like to use your thing just seems risky to me in general...since, one of the big things the doctors warn you about is that you might lose your ability to function (and a lot do lol). So, there is that too ~_~

So let me ask you...I'm a top, I like to be in control...I do love giving oral, but on my terms...how does that fit in?

[alyssaluxor]

To the cock hounds out there,

Get an escort or another man if you are looking to bottom. Transsexual women want to be treated like real women, even in the bedroom. They did not go through expensive hormone treatments and plastic surgery to put their cocks in your ass! Any man that sexually objectifies a transsexual women's penis is considered a tranny chaser! Transsexual women want masculine men that act like men in the bedroom. This is one of the major reasons why a lot of transsexual women have an easier time dating after they have their sexual reassignment surgery. Once they get a vagina, the cock hounds and tranny chasers won't be after them anymore!


hihihihi :D

[alyssaluxor]

There are a lot of cock hounds on Hungangels. Most of the transsexual women that I have met want to get sexual reassignment surgery. They do not like their penis. They have told me that men who love their cocks and want to bottom for them are repressed "gay" men and are tranny chasers. Real transsexual women are interested in masculine men who will treat them like real women, not a sexual fetish.

Hahaha youre so funny :D

Well yes theres a lot of trans women who like SRS and not into cock hounds but also a lot of trans women love their cock and love using it

[nysprod]

Well yes theres a lot of trans women who like SRS and not into cock hounds but also a lot of trans women love their cock and love using it

Exactly as I suspected...BTW, I don't believe it's too far of a stretch to say that with all the difficulties involved, many girls are likely to have conflicting feelings regarding their penis, which is totally understandable given the circumstances.

[Rabbiteyes]

So let me ask you...I'm a top, I like to be in control...I do love giving oral, but on my terms...how does that fit in?

The way I figure it, my parts are for my guy to enjoy. I don't see anything "undominant" about giving oral (and if he is doing it in a dominant way and just doing what he wants, sooo hot lol). Just I can't bring myself to top ~_~ Anything else though is fine by me :P

[MacShreach]

The way I figure it, my parts are for my guy to enjoy. I don't see anything "undominant" about giving oral (and if he is doing it in a dominant way and just doing what he wants, sooo hot lol). Just I can't bring myself to top ~_~ Anything else though is fine by me :P

:Bowdown:

[Corran]

Sorry if this is a little off topic but I had to bring this up. I've seen the word 'chaser' used by people on this forum. I'm taking it this means someone who only wants a transwoman because she has a cock. I'm not gonna lie, that was the allure for me at first. A beautiful, sexy and feminine woman with a cock was a kink, I guess. But after talking to several TS's online, through cams and various other chatrooms, then here, I can honestly say I'm attracted to several of these women because of their attitudes, personality, sense of humour..the list goes on and on. I can say one thing sexually that really does attract me too is these lovely women seem more passionate in the bedroom, more open to kissing and other ways of touching than just genitals making contact. Yes I want to watch her cum from the pleasure I'm giving as I've stated in other threads but for me, now, it's about so much more than them having a cock. Does that make me a chaser?
As for being a bottom, I don't think I would be into that, at least not at first. I guess it would depend on what my partner wanted down the line. As for oral, it's always been a big part of my sex life, giving as much if not more than receiving and I can't imagine being with a partner and not going down on them.

[Rabbiteyes]

Sorry if this is a little off topic but I had to bring this up. I've seen the word 'chaser' used by people on this forum. I'm taking it this means someone who only wants a transwoman because she has a cock.

Ehh, when I use "chaser" , I use it to refer to guys who want the fantasy of a trans person...not the reality of one (generally they are completely clueless too, like they think a trans person ejaculates ~_~ it's like, nope, not if you have been on hormones for more than a few months).

Guys who are attracted to a trans persons body for the attributes of a trans person body? I just see that as normal ~_~ Nothing wrong with a trans persons body, it can be hot :3 we have lots of fun parts :P

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

Ehh, when I use "chaser" , I use it to refer to guys who want the fantasy of a trans person...not the reality of one (generally they are completely clueless too, like they think a trans person ejaculates ~_~ it's like, nope, not if you have been on hormones for more than a few months).

Guys who are attracted to a trans persons body for the attributes of a trans person body? I just see that as normal ~_~ Nothing wrong with a trans persons body, it can be hot :3 we have lots of fun parts :P


So just to be clear, are you saying that any man who desires anything "you" can't personally offer or just flat out don't like is a chaser...?

Hmm... I guess that would be an easy way to cut your losses with said guy even if you were really attracted to him. However the reality is that there are some tgirls out there who can make a "fantasy" come true. Hell what you call a "fantasy" me and my trans-friend would simply call the usual Sunday through Saturday night.

The way see I it, a strictly bottom tranny who makes a man feel guilty for wanting a Top with all that "cums" with it. Is no different than a genetic girl who condemns to a guy that date tgirl at any stage of transition or sexual preference.

Good news for me is "Who the hell cares...." See it for what it's worth fella's.
Would you even like either chicks in those instances anymore..? If not why entertain her opinion when there are clearly some women out there who's desires and understandings are contrary to the norm? And it's not the small amount that some here would reluctantly acknowledge either. There's plenty more.

So for the record, a male to female transsexual who stays erect and can actually cum without a fee involved is not a Unicorn nor an endangered species.... So the chances of riding one this lifetime is quite high for all hoping to get a ticket LOL!

[bobjones17]

Gotta say I'm surprised by a lot of the responses in this thread. Esp those from the TG women. I've been with several TG women over time. I'd say a majority of them have asked me (at times verging on begging!) to bottom for them. At first I thought, I'm not really into the idea of bottoming but I'm open minded so I'll give it a shot to give my partner the pleasure. Each time (lets say 3 times) I hated it and asked them to stop soon after starting.

So basically I've come to the conclusion that I'm a strict top and refuse outright when someone asks me to bottom. This has resulted in a lot of my TG partners to show clear disappointment/ask several times trying to get me to change my mind. So after a couple of times of this happening, I'd ask the girls what's the ratio of guys they were with bottom to top. The vast majority said bottoms/vers. So I just got the impression that a lot of T-girls liked bottoms and there were a lot of bottoms seeking out t-girls.

Interesting to see so many responses saying the opposite, maybe there's something in the water in London, lol.

[MacShreach]

Gotta say I'm surprised by a lot of the responses in this thread. Esp those from the TG women. I've been with several TG women over time. I'd say a majority of them have asked me (at times verging on begging!) to bottom for them. At first I thought, I'm not really into the idea of bottoming but I'm open minded so I'll give it a shot to give my partner the pleasure. Each time (lets say 3 times) I hated it and asked them to stop soon after starting.

So basically I've come to the conclusion that I'm a strict top and refuse outright when someone asks me to bottom. This has resulted in a lot of my TG partners to show clear disappointment/ask several times trying to get me to change my mind. So after a couple of times of this happening, I'd ask the girls what's the ratio of guys they were with bottom to top. The vast majority said bottoms/vers. So I just got the impression that a lot of T-girls liked bottoms and there were a lot of bottoms seeking out t-girls.

Interesting to see so many responses saying the opposite, maybe there's something in the water in London, lol.

That bit in bold is 100% true. It really surprised me when I found that out at first, but it is so.:shrug Horses for courses.

[Bobzz]

Exactly as I suspected...BTW, I don't believe it's too far of a stretch to say that with all the difficulties involved, many girls are likely to have conflicting feelings regarding their penis, which is totally understandable given the circumstances.

This may be slightly off-topic and I may have posted something to this effect in the past but I know personally of three post-op women who have expressed different thoughts on their conflicting feelings regarding their penis. All of the women at one point would occasionally top their lovers and none worked in the sex trade.

One woman, in a word, "missed" her penis at times. It turns out, much to her surprise, she was a bit more attached to it than she thought; she thoroughly enjoys her vagina but on more than a few occasions she shared with me her desire to be on the delivering end of things. The other two women are exceedingly pleased with the visual results despite the fact one still does not regularly orgasm and her libido is virtually non-existent and the other prefers anal sex to vaginal sex when she's feeling really horny. None of the women had major problems with guys who were sometimes bottoms but to be sure they generally preferred to be on the bottom.

Anecdotally, this doesn't include non-op transsexuals.

See e.g. Ask A Transsexual: Anal Orgasm, Straight Guys and Castration - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdMQCHg8w0)

[MacShreach]

Sorry if this is a little off topic but I had to bring this up. I've seen the word 'chaser' used by people on this forum. I'm taking it this means someone who only wants a transwoman because she has a cock. I'm not gonna lie, that was the allure for me at first. A beautiful, sexy and feminine woman with a cock was a kink, I guess. But after talking to several TS's online, through cams and various other chatrooms, then here, I can honestly say I'm attracted to several of these women because of their attitudes, personality, sense of humour..the list goes on and on. I can say one thing sexually that really does attract me too is these lovely women seem more passionate in the bedroom, more open to kissing and other ways of touching than just genitals making contact. Yes I want to watch her cum from the pleasure I'm giving as I've stated in other threads but for me, now, it's about so much more than them having a cock. Does that make me a chaser?
As for being a bottom, I don't think I would be into that, at least not at first. I guess it would depend on what my partner wanted down the line. As for oral, it's always been a big part of my sex life, giving as much if not more than receiving and I can't imagine being with a partner and not going down on them.

I think you have a pretty good attitude and as long as you're like that in life, a lot of TS women will like you. They have far more shit to deal with, insecurities, self-doubt and stuff, than cis-gendered people. I think as long as you are sensitive to her needs in terms of her gender identity, then there's room for a lot of flexibility in bed. Not all transwomen hate their dicks by any means, but how you deal with them will be very closely observed.

And just let's be clear: if a girl is on sufficient doses of hormones to feminise, she will have a limp noodle. It's just endocrinology, no need for people to get all upset. Go and read it up. The erectile response requires testosterone, which is one reason why you get a blood test if you have erectile dysfunction, to determine whether you produce enough. Proper transition HRT uses androgen blockers to suppress testosterone= limpy.

She will probably still be able to cum, but it will likely be completely clear liquid. However a stiffish semi is about as hard as it's going to get, and that only just before she blows, unless blue pill therapy is being used. All the debate about who does what to whom, trust me, counts as nothing when you're dealing with a miniature version of the Mull of Kintyre. Even if she does like you to play with her noodle, you'll need an arse like the Dartford Tunnel for her to get it in there. BTDT. Sorry about the geography. :D

[Crossover1]

One day many of you will be liberated from all your fucking rules and just do what feels good. To think a guy who likes to bottom is somehow weak or effeminate is just more mental baggage, and a different--and not enjoyable--form of bondage.

It's astounding to me how many tgirls are so unbearably, if understandably, insecure and double standardized about all this stuff. Why would a straight man who can bang gg's all day long be attracted to a tgirl if not for the something extra part? Because he's attracted to plastic surgery and wholesale insecurity?

I have a tremendous amount of sympathy for the plight of the tgirl, but I have no fucking time for all rules and baggage that too many of you carry around about what should feel good and who's a fag or not. It's just exactly the kind of bullshit that you want others to liberate you from so you can live fully and equally. Many of you suffer from Stockholm Syndrome (look it up).

If I listened to all the chatter and wholesale mind fucking that communities like these push out all day long I'd never get to experience the rich variety of love, longing and pleasure that exists out there in the world.

Call me a fag, a top, a bottom, a chaser....whatever. In the end your own personal liberation will never happen if you get trapped in labels and in the rigid fears of people who themselves have never experienced a true inner transformation.

Do what makes you feel good, and fuck anyone who can't handle it. They're the insecure ones, not you. Any idiot knows that we're composed equally of male and female characteristics, and how that breaks down into our senses is both fascinating and never-ending. It should be a fun journey of exploration, not a list of do's and don'ts written by body fascists.

[Ms.Stepford]

And just let's be clear: if a girl is on sufficient doses of hormones to feminise, she will have a limp noodle. It's just endocrinology, no need for people to get all upset. Go and read it up. The erectile response requires testosterone, which is one reason why you get a blood test if you have erectile dysfunction, to determine whether you produce enough. Proper transition HRT uses androgen blockers to suppress testosterone= limpy.


Yeah, but actually no. I've been on HRT over four years, and for awhile it wouldn't get up, but without changing dosages (still 200 mg spironolactone a day), I've gotten over a block in my head and I can get crazy hard several times a day, simply because I'm that horny and that comfortable with myself.

[MacShreach]

[QUOTE=Bobzz;1316575]Snip/QUOTE]
Yeah, Hanna is cool. This girl has some interesting stuff to say too...FF to 03:20 to get past her ditzy birthday list. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av7dqR0mzR8

[MacShreach]

Yeah, but actually no. I've been on HRT over four years, and for awhile it wouldn't get up, but without changing dosages (still 200 mg spironolactone a day), I've gotten over a block in my head and I can get crazy hard several times a day, simply because I'm that horny and that comfortable with myself.

Do you mind me asking how long? Feel free to tell me to sod off if you think that's too personal.