Does a man have an obligation to tell a potential date, of his interest in TS women?

[Tyler___Durden]

{Assuming the potential date is with a Bio-woman}

What do you lot think?
Just curious.
(reaches for bag of popcorn)

[GroobySteven]

Not if he can be potentially be fulfilled with the person he is going on the date with.

[GroobySteven]

I'll amend that to, "It also depends on the woman he's dating and what he knows about her".

[bunzy]

Absolutely not, you might as well ruin your chances to get with a potential great genetic woman if you tell her you like transsexuals.

[jennylicious]

It's shouldn't be such a big thing in your head. Transsexuals are not objects, they are just people like everybody else with specific attributes you happen to be attracted to. There wouldn't be any need to tell your blonde date that you really like brunette women as if it is some big thing for you. She won't be in such a hurry to blurt out the things she finds attractive in people in their not assets that you already have.

When you're relationship has progressed to the point where you both feel like you can share those personal things to each other, that is the time to tell them. Then it will be about sharing those intimate things with each other than make you who you are.

[AL121]

Well I think It would be just as smart as telling her that U would be interested in a threesome with her roomate or twinsister on a first datebase. Timing is everything! ;)

[nysprod]

Touche!

[bluesoul]

{Assuming the potential date is with a Bio-woman}

What do you lot think?
Just curious.
(reaches for bag of popcorn)

i'm sure you wrote this question partly in humor and partly as a response to the other "should a transsexual admit her status" thread but consider this:

transsexuals want to be accepted fully by the "straight" and mainstream world. how will that happen if nobody ever admits to dating them and keeps them "a dirty little secret"?

[amberskyi]

i'm sure you wrote this question partly in humor and partly as a response to the other "should a transsexual admit her status" thread but consider this:

transsexuals want to be accepted fully by the "straight" and mainstream world. how will that happen if nobody ever admits to dating them and keeps them "a dirty little secret"?

Agreed but honestly how many of these guys do you really think live their life that way.just look at some of the excuses in this thread.
They constantly bemoan the fact that they are allies and our true admirers but not many would be honest if it meant ridicule and potentially not getting laid by a gg (i wonder if any one sees the irony).

[my my my!]

No, because with most women there is still a double standard when it comes to a man admitting something like that. It is usually a deal breaker.

When a woman reveals she is in fact bisexual, a guy is automatically supposed to accept her. It is less frowned upon for a girl to say "yea I like girls too" than for a guy to say "yea i like men too". It's just hypocrite women.

But when a man reveals that he likes trans girls (i know they're not a man) , women almost always relate that to the man being a gay guy and want nothing to do with them unless she's bisexual herself and does not see anything wrong with that.

I dated a girl that was bisexual, and as soon as I told her i liked trans girls , she flipped out and called me all sorts of names. I told her she could come home with pussybreath, oh but as soon as I'm with a transgirl I'm automatically the biggest faggot ever.

some people suck, period.

[bluesoul]

Agreed but honestly how many of these guys do you really think live their life that way..

very few. i can see maybe willie escalade, sean... one or two other guys, and we know christianxxx has talked and walked this walk.

as for the others, i doubt they even notice when one girl leaves.

[bluesoul]

No, because with most women there is still a double standard when it comes to a man admitting something like that. It is usually a deal breaker.

if you admitted you've either dated or are interested in transsexual women, you'd be able to educate or change their perspective on both transsexuals and the men who are interested in them.

[nysprod]

Agreed but honestly how many of these guys do you really think live their life that way.just look at some of the excuses in this thread.
They constantly bemoan the fact that they are allies and our true admirers but not many would be honest if it meant ridicule and potentially not getting laid by a gg (i wonder if any one sees the irony).

Amber, we're guys...we're not going to potentially jeopardize our chances of getting laid under any circumstances...lol.

[Dino Velvet]

Any woman I'm out with only knows about my interest in her. I might mention an ex or a story about a woman that I find interesting but nothing too specific. I went out with a woman who admitted that she had attraction towards women too. She coulda kept that to herself and been just fine. She wasn't any kind of cheater as far as I knew and that's the primary concern for me.

[GroobySteven]

Amber, we're guys...we're not going to potentially jeopardize our chances of getting laid under any circumstances...lol.

Most guys would sell their grandmother if it meant they were going to get laid.

[bluesoul]

most guys would pay to get laid

http://5chon.net/new/thumb/1365277124545.png

[Ms.Stepford]

Most guys pretend they're going to pay to get laid and then blow their load while you're waiting to confirm the appointment.

[amberskyi]

Amber, we're guys...we're not going to potentially jeopardize our chances of getting laid under any circumstances...lol.

And yet we have a thread judging the girls for their dishonesty in potential intimate situations.the hypocrisy is staggering

[my my my!]

if you admitted you've either dated or are interested in transsexual women, you'd be able to educate or change their perspective on both transsexuals and the men who are interested in them.

I wish it was as simple as educating or convincing someone, but for most ,once they're stuck in that mentality you'll always be a gay guy to them. Even if they are bisexual themselves. hence the double standard.

They want you to be ok with them banging other chicks, but as soon as you mention a transsexual it grosses the out and want nothing with you.

[bluesoul]

I wish it was as simple as educating or convincing someone, but for most ,once they're stuck in that mentality you'll always be a gay guy to them. Even if they are bisexual themselves. hence the double standard.

They want you to be ok with them banging other chicks, but as soon as you mention a transsexual it grosses the out and want nothing with you.

i've never met a bisexual women who was closed minded to a bissexual man, but i suppose everyone is different. i appreciate you being honest

[Prospero]

Well I would say that if you are about to go on a date with a girl - transgendered or GG - you are hardly going to start shouting about what your wider tastes in women are. If's an odd thing to do really. Surely your focus is on your date. If it comes up in conversation at some point that you are sexually diverse that is up to you to handle. But if you are regularly visiting trangendered escorts or going to clubs and meeting girls for one-off dalliances then, again, it's going to be a bit dumb to announce this to a date. Not the best way to kick off a new relationship.

[Dino Velvet]

When I'm on the fence about "should I tell" or "keep my mouth shut" when I've decided to "keep my mouth shut" more often than not I don't regret it. If that decision had to do with my own safety I would take that into consideration as well.

[Dino Velvet]

Well I would say that if you are about to go on a date with a girl - transgendered or GG - you are hardly going to start shouting about what your wider tastes in women are. If's an odd thing to do really. Surely your focus is on your date. If it comes up in conversation at some point that you are sexually diverse that is up to you to handle. But if you are regularly visiting trangendered escorts or going to clubs and meeting girls for one-off dalliances then, again, it's going to be a bit dumb to announce this to a date. Not the best way to kick off a new relationship.

I'm a real fuck-up at times. I avoid talking about Porno by starting talk about Horror or Metal. I gotta stop it but it's so instinctual for me. Primal even.:rock2

[Prospero]

Now if my date started talking about metal or horror movies that would put ME off...lol

[Dino Velvet]

Now if my date started talking about metal or horror movies that would put ME off...lol

Give her my number then.

[Prospero]

Okay will do old buddy

[Dino Velvet]

Okay will do old buddy

Jaxon says these are my kids.

Rammstein Sonne (cover) - Children Medieval Band - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqpRoVxH2jc)

[Prospero]

Naahhh they are better than most of the music you post

[Dino Velvet]

Naahhh they are better than most of the music you post

And I'll check your playlist next time I have insomnia.

[Prospero]

And I'll check your playlist next time I have insomnia.

Yep - I'm sure it will help. But surely you can't actually HEAR quiet music after all that thrash and death metal you inflict on yourself?

[Dino Velvet]

Yep - I'm sure it will help. But surely you can't actually HEAR quiet music after all that thrash and death metal you inflict on yourself?

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n158/OX_Bigly/hulk-hogan-ear-cup1.jpg
"Sorry. Couldn't hear 'ya."

[Prospero]

if you ever need one of these....

[Dino Velvet]

if you ever need one of these....

Would a trade interest you, kind sir? We have plenty of these in my country.

http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/09/toothbrush-537x438.jpg

[Prospero]

looks good.... but i don't have any teeth left so a bit pointless

[Dino Velvet]

looks good.... but i don't have any teeth left so a bit pointless

Stopped caring when you started flossing with a rope?

[bluesoul]

And yet we have a thread judging the girls for their dishonesty in potential intimate situations.the hypocrisy is staggering

i think the point is that, this isn't exactly helping either.

if a transsexual is reluctant to disclose they are transgendered, then the guy will probably also be reluctant to admit it himself. in fact, he may have been "tricked" into dating her thinking she was a biological woman, and now it's more embarrassing telling the truth because he feels duped.

[nysprod]

And yet we have a thread judging the girls for their dishonesty in potential intimate situations.the hypocrisy is staggering

I'm not judging anyone...as we all know, it could be dangerous for a ts girl to not disclose, but it's her choice.

[Tyler___Durden]

i'm sure you wrote this question partly in humor and partly as a response to the other "should a transsexual admit her status" thread but consider this:
transsexuals want to be accepted fully by the "straight" and mainstream world. how will that happen if nobody ever admits to dating them and keeps them "a dirty little secret"?
Yes I did post this thread in response to the Does a TS have an obligation to tell a potential partner her TS status? (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=77000) thread. Partly humorous but also because there is a symmetry here too. (Potential double standards, hense the popcorn comment)
On the "secret" thing. Well if I dated a man who revealed my Ts background to others,
either in the date or subsequent to it, that would be the last date he'd ever get with me.
Being accepted as 'just another woman' is the aim or the reality of many trans-women's lives.
Which while individually is massively important, does nothing for the normalisation of trans in society.
Basically I'm an example of absolutely nothing at all when applied to trans-visibility and trans-normalisation in society.
My life as me vs. my life as a campaign slogan.
I picked the former.
Thus in part, continuing the non-visibility of trans.
{Porn and Escorting don't count on this issue as these are hidden areas and don't influence mainstream acceptance}

[bluesoul]

Being accepted as 'just another woman' is the aim or the reality of many trans-women's lives.

unfortunately, that's not going to happen if you're forcing onto people what to think of you through deception. in fact, that's the very thing that keeps them from accepting you.

[Dino Velvet]

Naahhh they are better than most of the music you post

I spliced your whining and complaining then integrated it into the song.

Nailbomb - Exploitation - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWFqZ0WXUk)

[EvaCassini]

the whole trap thing "was" cute...but honestly, it is dangerous to not disclose that there is a Surprise Surprise Surprise within a girls pants. Period!

If the potential guy/girl doesn't want it, that's their choice and the tgirl should respect that.

Too many unwanted beatings and killings for a girl to be naive.

The "girl in question" should have a mature way of thinking about the dating scene and her "secret". If she wants to have a intimate and personal relationship, she should look towards those who have an attraction towards "tgirls"

...not saying the girls should chase chasers...just that their are people, good people, who have that attraction.

My past datings ...all of them, I told ( all girls ) ( i am attracted to GG's & TG's ) ( unless the guy is Robert Downey Jr. ) ( lol ) ....none of them lasted because of it...
I told them straight at the START! I do not like lying and hiding that fact that I am who I am.
...BUT I got lucky!

Luckily I like TG's and I met one...Jamie French, we love each other very much and there could be no other. But sometimes it's not luck or happenstance.

So...girls, be careful, and please do not get yourself into a sich where you could be harmed in any way. Because it could happen.

[fivekatz]

Potential date? Hell no. Once you have dated and if you are in fact friends then it is time to share your interest, just how deep your interest is and how if at all IYO it affects your date.

I think asking a girl out and then saying in the next breath, "Just though you should know I have an interest in TS."

But OTOH you say interest and just how deep that interest is only known to you. Are you active, do you only get off with TS etc. So if your date is some experiment at going back to GGs then my answer would be different.

In the end it is you that knows both your circumstance and your sense of honor. I am sure you will do right by both.

[Willie Escalade]

Few guys are physically hurt when they admit to another female that they love transsexuals. It has happened before though (not to me though)...

[STARTUP999]

If your dating a petite Asian GG, would you tell her you have an attraction to thick busty Latin girls? I would hope not.

So why would you tell a person your with that your attracted to someone very differnt from them? Seems like only someone with limited social skills would do that.

[natina]

Based on the news here in the USA if a guy does not tell women (GG's)

that he has sexual relationship with a TS then he is "ON THE DOWN LOW"

[Tyler___Durden]

Being accepted as 'just another woman' is the aim or the reality of many trans-women's lives.

unfortunately, that's not going to happen if you're forcing onto people what to think of you through deception. in fact, that's the very thing that keeps them from accepting you.
Trans-women=deception.
Ok I'm gonna roll with your definition for now.
I'm not really a Ts woman but I'm actually a defence lawyer
doing research for an upcoming trial. {On Monday actually}
My client was going into a local library when he held a door open for a woman.
The woman went to the gender studies section and selected a book called
http://tinyurl.com/cjp8es5 (http://tinyurl.com/yt8xgy)
Curious, my client got into a conversation with the woman.
Being comfortable and perhaps a little naive, the woman explained that she had a transsexual history. She had also undergone a range of gender related surgery's and she held a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) and as a consequence she was legally recognised as female. Her driving licence, passport and birth certificate were now listing her as female. She had also very recently been married in a church, so god was fine about this too.
She had been a broker convicted of insider trading. She was out on day-release from a female prison. (Obviously her GRC obliged the courts to treat her as female in every way)
Well my client (for some unfathomable reason) felt offended. So he killed her.
Till reading your post, myself and the rest of the defence team were stumped for any plausible defence.

My question to you is this.
For $400 /day + expenses would you be able to sell your views to a jury?

I know that this will alienate you within the trans community on HA,
but they've not 'real' women so they don't really count.


Oh next week we are defending another client who is a 220lb cage fighter,
who killed a blind deaf one legged eight year old child, just for a laugh.
The child in question was black.
With a few tweaks, do you think you could alter your deception (sub human) argument,
to get this other client found 'Not guilty' too?

[MdR Dave]

Based on the news here in the USA if a guy does not tell women (GG's) that he has sexual relationship with a TS then he is "ON THE DOWN LOW"

"Based on the news. . ."

LMAO!

Seriously, though- my past only bears on current relationships when it comes to love.

[bluesoul]

My question to you is this.
For $400 /day + expenses would you be able to sell your views to a jury?

I know that this will alienate you within the trans community on HA,
but they've not 'real' women so they don't really count.

have you ever heard of diversity? it means that, i don't have to be just like you to receive the same respect that you. when you say "but they've not 'real' women so they don't really count" seems to indicate ignored the possibility that people are different. next time, attempt to apply this into the equation and recalculate.


Oh next week we are defending another client who is a 220lb cage fighter,
who killed a blind deaf one legged eight year old child, just for a laugh.
The child in question was black.
With a few tweaks, do you think you could alter your deception (sub human) argument,
to get this other client found 'Not guilty' too?

how do you extrapolate deception as "subhuman"? do you think humans are incapable of deception?

[Quiet Reflections]

{Assuming the potential date is with a Bio-woman}

What do you lot think?
Just curious.
(reaches for bag of popcorn)
nope

[Rusty Eldora]

A person that has multiple partners has a community obligation to get tested for STD's on a regular basis. If the results are anything but benign, a follow on obligation is to inform perspective and former partners of said results.

Beyond that does anyone have an obligation to inform others that they like certain types of partners or what/how many partners they have been with.

Somehow telling a big girl that you love spinners spoils the evening.

[Tyler___Durden]

deception
I'm not replying to your last post, not through rudness
but because I genuinely don't understand what you are trying to express.
If you feel inclined to reword either on this thread or via PM, I'll happily give you my take on it, if you like.

You are aware that the mindset of equating trans-women living in society as women, with the word deception, gets us killed.
And that's not limited to trans-women who have sexual liaisons without revealing their trans-stuff,
but to trans-women just going about their lives in general.

Do you think black people should be lynched, because they are black?
{It's the same thing}

[nysprod]

I don't think it's a good idea to reveal too much either way...you meet someone, they're not a virgin and neither are you. It's opening a can of worms you won't be able to close later.

That being said, if you're a guy into TG and you're getting serious with a GG, you should think long and hard before making any promises you may not be able to keep going forward.

[bluesoul]

Do you think black people should be lynched, because they are black?
{It's the same thing}

no and no (it's not the same thing).

not sure what you meant by everything else you wrote. there is nothing i see necessary to reword either.

[Tyler___Durden]

What's your personal stance re. my Original Post?
If you're married or in a long term relationship, do you feel it's ok to keep your man/woman in the dark about your interest in trans-women?
Or have you told them, and if so, at what point in your relationship did you disclose?
If single, do you feel you have an obligation to tell a date of your trans interests? Do you do this?
Do you feel that people who are married or long term relationships, yet have an 'outside interest' in trans are being deceitful to their partner?
Would you consider this deceit better/worse/the same as a tran-woman not revealing her trans-stuff to a third party?
If you had an operation to repair an un-descended testicle, would you feel obliged to reveal THIS VERY PERSONAL DETAIL to every person you dated?
Do you have any opinion as to why trans women are held to a higher lever of personal disclosure than the rest of society?
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/scarjo_popcorn.gif

[BluegrassCat]

If single, do you feel you have an obligation to tell a date of your trans interests? Do you do this?



Of course not. There's lots of information you don't share with someone until you've built a relationship of trust with them.






Do you feel that people who are married or long term relationships, yet have an 'outside interest' in trans are being deceitful to their partner?



If the failure to disclose the interest is harming the relationship or if the person is acting on those interests, then yes. Otherwise no.





Would you consider this deceit better/worse/the same as a tran-woman not revealing her trans-stuff to a third party?



Third party, like her boyfriend? For the relationship it's equally problematic but it's worse for trans-folk generally. As Dan Savage says if you're too fearful about disclosure and choose to lie to the people you love, then you're living without honesty or integrity. You're also depriving the world of another example of a "normal" transperson which makes acceptance that much more difficult and more unlikely for the next trans-person. So taken as a whole, that failure to disclose is more problematic.





Do you have any opinion as to why trans women are held to a higher lever of personal disclosure than the rest of society?



Identity > Attraction, as women on this board frequently remind us. There's a much stronger argument that we have a right to express our identity than we have a right to let others know about our sexual proclivities. Identifying as trans in the workplace should not be a fireable offense. Talking about who or what I find erotic very well could be.

[Tyler___Durden]

Well by third party I was thinking of the person on the bus,
the guy in a bar who said 'Hi'
the new partner of your sister, who doesn't know.
Basically any non sexual partner. That's for a pre-SRS Ts.
Post SRS then it may include sexual partners too. (Probably casual encounters, though I've heard of some Post op Ts women who never revealed their past to their husbands)

As to revealing that you have a trans aspect to your life/past, to a partner,
I asked my Hubby. He said he would be disgusted to find out that I'm trans
and that I haven't mentioned it at any time in the 4 years of our relationship.
I then asked him about my cock.
He said he assumed it was just a large 'girly-pole' http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

UK sex education is somewhat lacking! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[Tyler___Durden]

Though this is by-the by.

I was asking about men into ts women, revealing this enormous fact to the world at large.
Remember kids, you men are a lot less likely to get murdered by this disclosure than us lot are by our disclosure.
For us the stakes are simply higher.
Come on men, lets hear from more of you.
Do you talk about your love of Trans-women?
It's good to share.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/disturbedo_0/Gifs/BuffyslashFaithFaces.gif


Oh, I just remembered.
A while ago just before xmas, a man shared his trans interest with his wife of 20 years. They searched out local Ts-escorts and saw my page.
They kept looking and booked me and cancelled 3 times. Wife bottling out.
We eventually met about a month ago and the wife was into me big time. More than her hubby.
Spoken a lot more on the phone to both of them and am seeing them again soon.
Sometimes telling your partner has a nice ending.
Depends upon how open minded both partners are.

[babewonder]

It is the responsible thing to do to inform everyone your may be sleeping with regardless of gender

[runround04]

No, I may potentially like other women too, no need to share that.

[mac.B]

Trans-women=deception.
Ok I'm gonna roll with your definition for now.
I'm not really a Ts woman but I'm actually a defence lawyer
doing research for an upcoming trial. {On Monday actually}
My client was going into a local library when he held a door open for a woman.
The woman went to the gender studies section and selected a book called
http://tinyurl.com/cjp8es5 (http://tinyurl.com/yt8xgy)
Curious, my client got into a conversation with the woman.
Being comfortable and perhaps a little naive, the woman explained that she had a transsexual history. She had also undergone a range of gender related surgery's and she held a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) and as a consequence she was legally recognised as female. Her driving licence, passport and birth certificate were now listing her as female. She had also very recently been married in a church, so god was fine about this too.
She had been a broker convicted of insider trading. She was out on day-release from a female prison. (Obviously her GRC obliged the courts to treat her as female in every way)
Well my client (for some unfathomable reason) felt offended. So he killed her.
Till reading your post, myself and the rest of the defence team were stumped for any plausible defence.

My question to you is this.
For $400 /day + expenses would you be able to sell your views to a jury?

I know that this will alienate you within the trans community on HA,
but they've not 'real' women so they don't really count.


Oh next week we are defending another client who is a 220lb cage fighter,
who killed a blind deaf one legged eight year old child, just for a laugh.
The child in question was black.
With a few tweaks, do you think you could alter your deception (sub human) argument,
to get this other client found 'Not guilty' too?


I'm high off Yoda OG and its telling me that this is the smartest post that I have seen on this forum.

[MacShreach]

have you ever heard of diversity? it means that, i don't have to be just like you to receive the same respect that you. when you say "but they've not 'real' women so they don't really count" seems to indicate ignored the possibility that people are different. next time, attempt to apply this into the equation and recalculate.



how do you extrapolate deception as "subhuman"? do you think humans are incapable of deception?
LOL fess up, she gotcha! Never forget, 'when in hole, stop digging.'

[Cecil Rhodes]

Damn ..... in the USA Lawyers charge $400.00 an hour, not a day .

On your last question:

1] If the the cage fighter did not use the word Wog or Polliwog or was not in possession of one during the incident ?

2] Was the cage fighter or his family immigrants from a non=European Country ?

3] is the cage fighter related to or connected in any way by blood, marriage, appointment, bestowment etc to a group of incestuous anemics with bad teeth most of which are of a Germanic Heritage dating back several centuries ?

4] does the cage fighter's mum, aunt, sister, wife, cousins etc wear really bright/loud clothing and really big hats in the springtime ?

5] Does the cage fighter oftenly speak of or his adherence to Allah, especially through a certain Prophet ?

Then my answer is yes .


Trans-women=deception.
Ok I'm gonna roll with your definition for now.
I'm not really a Ts woman but I'm actually a defence lawyer
doing research for an upcoming trial. {On Monday actually}
My client was going into a local library when he held a door open for a woman.
The woman went to the gender studies section and selected a book called
http://tinyurl.com/cjp8es5 (http://tinyurl.com/yt8xgy)
Curious, my client got into a conversation with the woman.
Being comfortable and perhaps a little naive, the woman explained that she had a transsexual history. She had also undergone a range of gender related surgery's and she held a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) and as a consequence she was legally recognised as female. Her driving licence, passport and birth certificate were now listing her as female. She had also very recently been married in a church, so god was fine about this too.
She had been a broker convicted of insider trading. She was out on day-release from a female prison. (Obviously her GRC obliged the courts to treat her as female in every way)
Well my client (for some unfathomable reason) felt offended. So he killed her.
Till reading your post, myself and the rest of the defence team were stumped for any plausible defence.

My question to you is this.
For $400 /day + expenses would you be able to sell your views to a jury?

I know that this will alienate you within the trans community on HA,
but they've not 'real' women so they don't really count.


Oh next week we are defending another client who is a 220lb cage fighter,
who killed a blind deaf one legged eight year old child, just for a laugh.
The child in question was black.
With a few tweaks, do you think you could alter your deception (sub human) argument,
to get this other client found 'Not guilty' too?

[tranlove]

Yes you should. You'll avoid the issues I'm going through today.