More "Flowers and Candy" from the Iraqis

[chefmike]

More "Flowers and Candy" from the Iraqis

"Mission Accomplished" indeed...

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A British military helicopter apparently was hit by a missile Saturday and crashed in Basra, triggering a confrontation in which jubilant Iraqis pelted British troops with stones, hurled firebombs and shouted slogans in support of a radical Shiite Muslim cleric.


Iraqi police said four British crew members died in the crash in the southern city, and four Iraqi adults and a child were reported killed during the ensuing melee when Shiite gunmen exchanged fire with British soldiers who hurried to the scene. About 30 civilians were injured.

Reminiscent of other outbursts of Iraqis cheering the deaths of foreigners, the chaotic scene was widely shown on Iraqi state television and on the Al-Jazeera satellite station.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060506/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=Av9Vscg73vs5f.aS.vIxFk6s0NUE

[ezed]

More "Flowers and Candy" from the Iraqis

"Mission Accomplished" indeed...

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A British military helicopter apparently was hit by a missile Saturday and crashed in Basra, triggering a confrontation in which jubilant Iraqis pelted British troops with stones, hurled firebombs and shouted slogans in support of a radical Shiite Muslim cleric.


Iraqi police said four British crew members died in the crash in the southern city, and four Iraqi adults and a child were reported killed during the ensuing melee when Shiite gunmen exchanged fire with British soldiers who hurried to the scene. About 30 civilians were injured.

Reminiscent of other outbursts of Iraqis cheering the deaths of foreigners, the chaotic scene was widely shown on Iraqi state television and on the Al-Jazeera satellite station.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060506/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=Av9Vscg73vs5f.aS.vIxFk6s0NUE

You know the Americans and the British are probably sick of this shit. Iraq is where the valley of the Tigress and the Euprhetes is. The cradle of civilization! Fuck me! Barney and Fred Flinstone are Rhodes Scholars when compare to this retarded civilaztion.

Jihad! Jihad! Jihad! We're trying to work with you. Trying to enlighten you to the benfits of educating all, not just men. Working for a living! Using toilet paper. But you are so fucking insecure, you keep your woman like cattle and use religion as a hammer to make it so.

According to the Bible (and the Koran) this is where it all began. You could have fooled me. The majority of the population has no desire to to work for something nor be open minded. (I don't believe this because the majority is afraid of the stupid fucks in power who also get all the money and have a personal connection with God, right).

Well folks it's time to step up. The same as the Americans did when they declared they're independance from England, the same England did when they were under siege from the Nazis. We can only be PC only so long. We can only tolorate retards smacking our shins with sticks for so long.

The silent majority is getting sick of the vocal PC's, and Bush's inaction as a result. But continue rolling the dice, betting on Hillary getting elected. Eventually, like the sleeping bear or lion being pestered by nats, we will lash out and wipe you from the face of the earth because it just ain't worth the aggrevation no more.

But realize, we are all human, at some point we say...FUCK'em....push the fucking button!!!!!PUSH THE FUCKING BUTTON!!!!! I AM SICK OF THESE PESTS!!!!!!!

Put yourselves in our shoes, without us you'd be digging for your oil with sticks. Why, we make things, not just standing around scratching or asses bitching about things.

[Taxtime]

Jihad! Jihad! Jihad! We're trying to work with you. Trying to enlighten you to the benfits of educating all, not just men.

But realize, we are all human, at some point we say...FUCK'em....push the fucking button!!!!!PUSH THE FUCKING BUTTON!!!!! I AM SICK OF THESE PESTS!!!!!!!


By the way, Iraq and the United States are allies.

The problem comes from loyalist forces of the Sunni controlled old government trying to disrupt the new Iraqi parliament.

This has got nothing to do with religion, its a matter of rebels trying to take control of the government. America, Great Britain, Australia, Japan, Poland and the countless other countries involved in the war cleanup effort just happen to be in their way.

for every allied death, there are about 15 Iraqi deaths. In fact, if people would watch more than Fox news, they would realise that most of the bombs are directed towards Iraqi military and police targets.

And in calling these people backwards....well....

I'm sure the British thought these american 'colonials' were savages too when America was fighting for its independence all those years ago.

[chefmike]

The problem comes from loyalist forces of the Sunni controlled old government trying to disrupt the new Iraqi parliament.



This particular incident was in the supposedly "peaceful" Basra region, and it involved Shiites, not Sunnis. Iraq is in the midst of a civil war. It is also a major terrorist recruiting center, thanks to the neocon chickenhawks in the white house who started this mess.

[White_Male_Canada]

From Daniel McGrory in Baghdad






BRITISH troops could be sent to clean out extremist militias in Basra who orchestrated the rioting at the site of the Lynx helicopter crash if the Iraqi army fails to do the job, the most senior British officer in the country said yesterday.

Lieutenant-General Sir Rob Fry, deputy commander of all the multinational forces in Iraq, told The Times that the vital test for the country’s new government is to take on and defeat the gunmen trying to impose mob rule in big cities.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2171441,00.html

[Hugh Jarrod]

Well put Taxtime. Oh and ChefMike I couldn't agree more Iraq is a big terrorist recruiting ground, it wasn't before this war, it was this administration that created that terrorist recruiting ground.

[chefmike]

The neocon chickenhawks who engineered this fiasco are desperate for more cannon fodder to fuel their dirty little war...

An Army of one wrong recruit
Autism - The signing of a disabled Portland man despite warnings reflects problems nationally for military enlistment
Sunday, May 07, 2006
MICHELLE ROBERTS
The Oregonian
Jared Guinther is 18. Tall and lanky, he will graduate from Marshall High School in June. Girls think he's cute, until they try to talk to him and he stammers or just stands there -- silent.

Diagnosed with autism at age 3, Jared is polite but won't talk to people unless they address him first. It's hard for him to make friends. He lives in his own private world.

Jared didn't know there was a war raging in Iraq until his parents told him last fall -- shortly after a military recruiter stopped him outside a Southeast Portland strip mall and complimented him on his black Converse All Stars.

"When Jared first started talking about joining the Army, I thought, 'Well, that isn't going to happen,' " said Paul Guinther, Jared's father. "I told my wife not to worry about it. They're not going to take anybody in the service who's autistic."

But they did. Last month, Jared came home with papers showing that he not only had enlisted, but also had signed up for the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout. He is scheduled to leave for basic training Aug. 16.

Officials are now investigating whether recruiters at the U.S. Army Recruiting Station in Southeast Portland improperly concealed Jared's disability, which should have made him ineligible for service.

Jared's story illustrates a growing national problem as the military faces increasing pressure to hit recruiting targets during an unpopular war.

Tracking by the Pentagon shows that complaints about recruiting improprieties are on pace to approach record highs set in 2003 and 2004. The active Army and the Reserve missed recruiting targets last year, and reports of recruiting abuses continue from across the country.

A family in Ohio reported that its mentally ill son was signed up, despite rules banning such enlistments and the fact that records about his illness were readily available.

In Houston, a recruiter warned a potential enlistee that if he backed out of a meeting he would be arrested.

And in Colorado, a high school student working undercover told recruiters he had dropped out and had a drug problem. The recruiter told the boy to fake a diploma and buy a product to help him beat a drug test.

Violations such as these forced the Army to halt recruiting for a day last May so recruiters could be retrained and reminded of the job's ethical requirements.

The Portland Army Recruiting Battalion Headquarters opened its investigation into Jared's case last week after his parents called The Oregonian and the newspaper began asking questions about his enlistment.

Maj. Curt Steinagel, commander of the Military Entrance Processing Station in Portland, said the papers filled out by Jared's recruiters contained no indication of his disability. Steinagel acknowledged that the current climate is tough on recruiters here and elsewhere.

"I can't speak for the Army," he said, "but it's no secret that recruiters stretch and bend the rules because of all the pressure they're under. The problem exists, and we all know it exists."

rest of article here-
http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1146882329307730.xml&coll=7

[White_Male_Canada]

Well put Taxtime. Oh and ChefMike I couldn't agree more Iraq is a big terrorist recruiting ground, it wasn't before this war, it was this administration that created that terrorist recruiting ground.

Maybe,maybe not. I`m uncertain of the hard numbers of foreign fighters in Iraq versus the Saddamite hold-outs.

One thing we do know conclusively, Saddam trained and paid foreigners as terrorists.How? 2 million documents from Saddam`s IIS. Most still untranslated:

Saddam's Terror Training Camps
What the documents captured from the former Iraqi regime reveal--and why they should all be made public.
by Stephen F. Hayes
01/16/2006, Volume 011, Issue 17
THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.

The secret training took place primarily at three camps--in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak--and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp

Example Document ISGQ-2004-00060580 :

Memo contains a direct order form Saddam Hussein in the middle of the war asking to treat the Arab Feedayeen i.e. the non Iraqi Foreign Arab Terrorists as equal as the Iraqi soldier in salary and benefits and not just any soldier but like those in the Special Forces. These are the same Arab terrorists who stayed in Iraq after the removal of the regime and caused those horrible attacks mostly on innocent civilians.

Begining of the translation:

In the Name of God the Most Merciful The Most Compassionate
Republic Of Iraq
Directorate of the General Military Intelligence
No 9/39/1/
Date: 4 April 2003
Secret
To: The 8th Directorate
Subject: Order
The secret and urgent letter of the Presidential Secretariat K-1997 on 29/3/2003 including… The order of The President The Leader to the armed forces God protects him and according to the following:
The Volunteers Arab Feedayeen will be treated the treatment of the solider in the army (Special Forces) regarding the salary and benefits.
Please review and take what is necessary.
Signature
Staff General
Director of the General Military Intelligence
April 2003
End of the Translation


Document ISGP-2003-00028868

Translation of Page 20 in the pdf document:


In the Name of God the most Merciful and the most Compassionate

Top Secret

Recommendation on how to use the Arab Feedaeyeens (Suicide Martyrs)
1. Supervision for training and usage

Formation of a devoted commission headed by Lieutenant General Hamza Alwan Zaher from the Directory of Military Engineering and the membership of Staff General Azawi Saleh Hassan from the Directory of Planning and the and Colonel Dr. Abdel Rahim Abdel Saheb Ali from the Directory of Political Orientation and that the commission will be related to Mr. assistant of Chairman of Army Training Staff.

2. The Training Course

The commission will prepare a very intensive training course for a period of week where it will be focused to raise the physical fitness and train on how use the automatic rifle Kalashnikoff and hand grenades and the largest section of the course will be specialized to focus of using the explosive material in the body, in motorcycle, in cars, and in camels.

3. Instructors

They must be dedicated from the Special Forces Command, from the Directory of Military Engineering and from the First Military School those that appear in them competence and capability.

(1-3) Top Secret

Translation of page 21 in the pdf document:

Top Secret

4. Requirement of duty

A. The Explosives

All the explosives and its attachments will be provided by the Directory of Military Engineering.

B . The Cars

All the cars and motorcycles that will be used in fulfilling the duties will be provided by the Department of Armament and Equipping.

C. The Camels

Will be provided by the Directory of General Military Intelligence.

D. Light Weapons

The Kalashnikoff rifles and the hand grenades will be provided by the Department of Armament and Equipping.

5. Usage

The Directory of General Military Intelligence will take the responsibility to provide the dictations and supervise the execution of duties and that this will occur after that the end of extensive training period.

(2-3) Top Secret

Translation of page 22 in the pdf document.

Top secret

6. General issues

A. The representative of the Directory of Political Orientation and the Religious Scholars from among the volunteers to give religious sermons that emphasis on Jihad for the Arab volunteers outside the hours dedicated for training.

B. Provide the Badwen clothing and other equipments (Travel homes,…) by the directory of general military intelligence.


Signature….. 28/2

(3-3) Top secret.

That`s what we call slam dunk evidence.Which doesn`t even include the documents proving collaberation with Al-Qaeda,the Taliban and Abu Sayyef.

[latrix67]

From the Scotsman website--

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=689502006

Names of Basra helicopter soldiers released
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain released the names on Monday of five military personnel missing and presumed dead in a Basra helicopter crash that sparked violent demonstrations at the weekend.

The Lynx helicopter crashed into a building on Saturday, and Iraqi police have said they believe it was shot down. Five Iraqis were killed and more than 40 wounded in violent demonstrations and clashes with British troops that followed.

The Ministry of Defence said those believed killed in the crash were: Wing Commander John Coxen and Flight Lieutenant Sarah Mulvihill of the Royal Air Force; Lieutenant Commander Darren Chapman and Lieutenant David Dobson of the Royal Navy and Marine Paul Collins.

Iraqi firefighters reported finding four bodies in the wreckage.

Defence Secretary Des Browne was due to make a statement to parliament later on Monday about the crash.

British troops are increasingly using the workhorse Lynx as the roads become more dangerous for patrols but that tactic may have to be reviewed if an inquiry finds gunfire from the ground was responsible for Saturday's incident.

British investigators have been dispatched to the scene to check the wreckage.

The crash brings the number of British service personnel who have died in Iraq to 109. About 8,000 British troops are deployed there, mainly in the south.

RIP Guys.Stand down,

[popperluv]

Doesnt the world seem alot more dangerous after we invaded Iraq!

[latrix67]

Part of the problem from my point of view as a British Serviceman is that we have stretched our rescources too thin over too many situations.With the drawdowns of manpower & equipment since the Berlin Wall came down forcing a radical re-think of global security policy,we are stretched to breaking point.
Compared to the 91 Gulf scrap,we have far more TA/ Reservists on operational tours than ever before.Add to that the constant media coverage now being more intense than ever before that brings the war home to the masses.
Unfortunatly the insurgents know this & are exploiting this fact,Before a suicide attack made a front page for a day or so.Now,It's on the tv minutes later.And,I believe,they are trying to expliot this to force a drawdown of co-allition forces.

[chefmike]

The truth from Big John Murtha

And maybe now all you chickenhawk neocon apologists who have never served need to shut the fuck up...

Today marks 6 months since I introduced my resolution calling for the redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq. Over these past 6 months things have gotten worse, not better. Those who disagree with me argue "we can't just leave," but they have no plan to make things better. The fact is the success of Iraq is up to the Iraqis.

The Iraqis must settle their differences and we must set a timetable for the Iraqis to take complete control of their country.

Instead of showing progress, oil production remains below prewar levels, electricity in Baghdad measured only 2.9 hours per day last week, and more than half of all Iraqis are unemployed. Every month we are spending over $8 billion in Iraq.

When I visit the severely wounded at our military hospitals, I ask "what happened to you?" Most say they were blown up while looking for IEDs. That's a hell of a mission.

Over the last 6 months, more Iraqis have died in sectarian violence than at anytime since the toppling of Saddam Hussein. This is a civil war and our military is caught in the middle of it.

The war in Iraq has been more harmful than beneficial to our counterterrorism efforts. And while the situation on the ground continues to deteriorate, this Administration continues to say things are going very well. They ignore the real story. Secretary Rumsfeld says that progress in Iraq is evidenced by how many satellite dishes he sees on rooftops, but ignores the fact that electricity is only provided for 2.9 hours per day.

Karl Rove recently said the public is "sour" on the war in Iraq. The use of the word "sour" disgracefully minimizes public reaction to the way this Administration has run the war. Try using disillusioned, betrayed, and deeply concerned about the lives of our service members, the future of the military, and the future of this country if we continue down this open-ended and ill defined path.

Does anyone think that things will be better 6 months from now?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-john-murtha/anyone-think-things-will-_b_21178.html

[popperluv]

Much respect to you Chefmike!!!

[chefmike]

Much respect to you Chefmike!!!

Thanks, but it's people like Big John that we really need to recognize....he's a real war hero...not a chickenhawk piece of shit like Mr. Mission Accomplished and the rest of the neocon draft dodging war mongers and profiteers in the white house....

[White_Male_Canada]

What will the senile old fart and leader of the 5th column say next to

slag the troops and pump up the morale of his allies,Al-Qaeda.

[chefmike]

A pseudo-intellectual windbag from Canada like yourself is denigrating Big John Murtha? Did you even qualify for Canada's version of the Girl Scouts? Or does your military experience consist of playing grab-ass and drop-the-soap with your militia buddies...besides listening to chickenhawks like rush the junkie, of course...

[chefmike]

Oh dear...I was looking for the "I'm a closeted canadian chickenhawk" thread....