WOW!! WOW..if this indeed is true

[tsdvdman]

Then it should put a significant halt to "Tranny Chasing" as we currently know it

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-transgender-women-nearly-50-times-more-likely-to-have-hiv-93462/

[Dino Velvet]

Submerge 'em in water. If they drown they're negative.

[BrassVillanueva]

Looking at the study in the Lancet piece itself, you can already see the flaw: "Data were only available for countries with male-predominant HIV epidemics, which included the USA, six Asia-Pacific countries, five in Latin America, and three in Europe." So we're not talking about a worldwide pandemic here, we're talking about a percentage of a select percentage of a select percentage. While it may be indicative of SOMETHING (and that something is certainly a problem), to say that transsexual women in general are fifty times more likely to be infected is absurd. We've gone over before on this board the very real possibility (I'd almost call it a likelihood) that the number of transgendered people in general may well be larger than it's reported simply because of the social stigma. That factor alone would be enough to throw this "study" off. I just don't buy it.

[tsdvdman]

Looking at the study in the Lancet piece itself, you can already see the flaw: "Data were only available for countries with male-predominant HIV epidemics, which included the USA, six Asia-Pacific countries, five in Latin America, and three in Europe." So we're not talking about a worldwide pandemic here, we're talking about a percentage of a select percentage of a select percentage. While it may be indicative of SOMETHING (and that something is certainly a problem), to say that transsexual women in general are fifty times more likely to be infected is absurd. We've gone over before on this board the very real possibility (I'd almost call it a likelihood) that the number of transgendered people in general may well be larger than it's reported simply because of the social stigma. That factor alone would be enough to throw this "study" off. I just don't buy it.
I tend to agree with you to a small degree. However..we cannot ignore the fact that people in general who are in the sex industry/escorts/porn..etc. are more likely at risk just by the fact of multiple sex partners.. sometimes a daily basis. Even if these numbers are skewed by a lot..they are still significantly high..and should be cause for anyone indulging to have second thoughts.
I mean..who are we fooling here??...

[Stavros]

I have seen articles based on research among Transexual prostitutes in the USA and Brazil, so while this study may have included data from more countries the subject has been covered before. Anal sex was been identified in the 1980s as a critically vulnerable pathway for the virus which is why transexual prostitutes have been recorded as HIV+ in high numbers, but that also includes prostitutes not using condoms who also have drug problems, and the studies I saw were done in the 1990s. It isn't really possible to come up with a definitive figure when so many transexual prostitutes are reluctant to take part, or, because they are not street walkers, are not even 'seen'.

There was concern a year or so ago that the reduction in the incidence of HIV infection, and the advances made in retroviral drugs had introduced some complacency among younger people and that this was expected to lead to a new spike in recorded cases as a result of bareback sex. In fact, I believe that in sex resorts like Pattaya, the bigger danger is with other diseases such as Gonorrhea, Chlamydia and Herpes. As is always the case, protection at all times is the safest way to go.

[GroobySteven]

Even if these numbers are skewed by a lot..they are still significantly high..and should be cause for anyone indulging to have second thoughts.
I mean..who are we fooling here??...

I believe anyone indulging in any form of sexual interaction with another needs to know and be aware of the risks so they can both make a personal choice and take precautions.
I'd take exactly the same precautions with a girl I'd just met either in a bar or on a date as I would have taken with a sex worker, whichever country she was in. The risk may be 2x, 5x or 50x lower with a non-TS sex-worker but I'm those percentages are still there and still too risky for me.

I'd be very careful of the 50x more likely in this report, as mentioned statistics and especially percentages can easily created to support your bias.

[amberskyi]

I honestly think that as sex workers we take more precautions and take less risks because for us hiv/stis is a reality and not something that we think happens to "other" people the way allot of ggs/men do.
I know so many gg girls who think they can't get hiv because the only fuck "straight" dudes.or even guys who think like the op that certain groups are more at risk so they may gamble with perceived less at risk groups because they have this false sense of security.
I know EVERY dick can have a nasty surprise for me regardless of race, nationality, sexual preference, class, etc.

[bluesoul]

However..we cannot ignore the fact that people in general who are in the sex industry/escorts/porn..etc. are more likely at risk just by the fact of multiple sex partners.. sometimes a daily basis. Even if these numbers are skewed by a lot..they are still significantly high..and should be cause for anyone indulging to have second thoughts.
I mean..who are we fooling here??...

i think people in porn are actually less likely to be at risk because they test more often and quarantine all infected parties (where applicable)- however escorts are more likely to be risky because there is no way of knowing how the transact their business

[broncofan]

I second what Seanchai said and want to add. Any time you take a risk that involves a relatively small percentage of the population, and then you take a segment of that group at higher risk, the increase in risk is likely to be many fold.

For instance, let's say someone with Barrett's esophagus is more than 50 times more likely to get esophageal cancer than someone without. That does not mean esophageal cancer is especially common among those with Barrett's. You are saying a risk factor makes a relatively uncommon condition much more common, but still not necessarily common.

I don't want to say this use of statistics is sophistry, because if true it does give you an idea of the relative risk. But it does not speak to the risk in an absolute sense.

But how does this guide behavior? Does it mean you don't wear a condom with a gg? Or with a man? No. You should engage in safe sex regardless of the HIV risk of that segment of the population because you're having sex with an individual and not someone who has identical characteristics to everyone else in that group.

[EvaCassini]

Those who have become "afeard", you do realize that for tgirls ( like myself and Jamie and most U.S. tgirls I know who do porn ) have to have a current blood test to bring to set to show the photographer and other models ( if playing with others ). Most girls I know are clean. Jamie and I are clean and can prove it. ( we drowned! haha ) ( in ref to Dino's post lol )

[tsadriana]

They never mention about heterosexuals well rarerley .....why they dont put the whole percentage worldwide with hetero/bi/gay/trans etc ....

[robertlouis]

I honestly think that as sex workers we take more precautions and take less risks because for us hiv/stis is a reality and not something that we think happens to "other" people the way allot of ggs/men do.
I know so many gg girls who think they can't get hiv because the only fuck "straight" dudes.or even guys who think like the op that certain groups are more at risk so they may gamble with perceived less at risk groups because they have this false sense of security.
I know EVERY dick can have a nasty surprise for me regardless of race, nationality, sexual preference, class, etc.

Talking sense as always, Amber. But you rightly make the point that it's essential to take every possible precaution every single time. That's where it begins and ends, people. And if there's any sign of serious drug abuse, walk, and quickly.

[GroobySteven]

These numbers are going to be massively skewed if they don't differentiate between transsexuals in countries like the US and other countries, especially Brazil. It's sorry to say but the rate of HIV among Brazilian transsexuals, to my PERSONAL knowledge, is vastly higher.

[robertlouis]

They never mention about heterosexuals well rarerley .....why they dont put the whole percentage worldwide with hetero/bi/gay/trans etc ....

I can see your point, Adriana, but surely all of this data, whether hetero, homo, bi, trans etc, serves primarily one purpose: don't take risks. Rubber up.

[tsadriana]

I can see your point, Adriana, but surely all of this data, whether hetero, homo, bi, trans etc, serves primarily one purpose: don't take risks. Rubber up.
I dont take risk in this way ,but everytime u go online u alway find trans/gay etc are the blaime for most deseases but never heterosexuals....big bulshit crap

[robertlouis]

I dont take risk in this way ,but everytime u go online u alway find trans/gay etc are the blaime for most deseases but never heterosexuals....big bulshit crap

...which lulls the young and innocent into taking risks. Good point. :iagree:

Nice avatar, btw!

[tsadriana]

...which lulls the young and innocent into taking risks. Good point. :iagree:

Nice avatar, btw!
doesnt matter wich way u stick ur tool always big risk for soe desease and thats a fact .thanks

[robertlouis]

doesnt matter wich way u stick ur tool always big risk for soe desease and thats a fact .thanks

Which must be why all those catholic priests are entirely celibate. :ignore:

[GroobySteven]

Which must be why all those catholic priests are entirely celibate. :ignore:

They only fuck virgins.

[tsadriana]

They only fuck virgins.
:iagree::iagree::iagree:and they wear dresses too

[wiltthestilt]

Then it should put a significant halt to "Tranny Chasing" as we currently know it

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-transgender-women-nearly-50-times-more-likely-to-have-hiv-93462/

Tranny chasing has never been safer (since the AIDS crises hit). These numbers are no surprise.

Here's some other statistics for you.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/


In 2011, in the United States, MSM accounted for 79% of 38,825 estimated HIV diagnoses among all males aged 13 years and older and 62% of 49,273 estimated diagnoses among all persons receiving an HIV diagnosis that year.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/ngmHAAD2010PressRelease.html


Approximately one in five (19 percent) men who have sex with men (MSM) in a study of 21 major U.S. cities is infected with HIV, and nearly half (44 percent) of those men are unaware of their infection, according to a new analysis from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In the study, young MSM and MSM of color were least likely to know their HIV status. The findings were published today in CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.


As an FYI, for those who don't know, MSM includes us. Or at least those of us who have a dick and are sexually active with someone else with a dick (I guess post-ops are out of the high risk pool).

Fortunately, HIV is very preventable. Use a condom every single time. And if the prospect of having sexual contact with someone who may have an STD terrifies you; you shouldn't be chasing anything. Stick with celibacy or monogamy.

[tsadriana]

witthestilt said: As an FYI, for those who don't know, MSM includes us. Or at least those of us who have a dick and are sexually active with someone else with a dick (I guess post-ops are out of the high risk pool).
__________________________________________________ ______________________________________Darling no matter sex or gender STD u can catch anyway if the person its ill.

[wiltthestilt]

witthestilt said: As an FYI, for those who don't know, MSM includes us. Or at least those of us who have a dick and are sexually active with someone else with a dick (I guess post-ops are out of the high risk pool).
__________________________________________________ ______________________________________Darling no matter sex or gender STD u can catch anyway if the person its ill.

That's true, but your risk within certain groups is dramatically greater than with others. That is obvious. If you always use a condom it shouldn't matter. But there is a sea of difference between having unprotected sex in the heterosexual community and having unprotected sex in the gay/bi community. That's like saying you can get robbed in Greenwhich, Connecticut as well as Hartford, Connecticut. Well yeah, but the risks simply aren't the same for those who are not cautious.

[tsadriana]

That's true, but your risk within certain groups is dramatically greater than with others. That is obvious. If you always use a condom it shouldn't matter. But there is a sea of difference between having unprotected sex in the heterosexual community and having unprotected sex in the gay/bi community. That's like saying you can get robbed in Greenwhich, Connecticut as well as Hartford, Connecticut. Well yeah, but the risks simply aren't the same for those who are not cautious.
If u use condom its no risk for anyone...but we cant say hetero gets less and other genders gets more..its unfair in percentage and i dont agreed with lies...they always make hetero to look good and the other gender/sexual identity look bad.lets wash our hands and blaime others,very easy to say.

[wiltthestilt]

If u use condom its no risk for anyone...but we cant say hetero gets less and other genders gets more..its unfair in percentage and i dont agreed with lies...they always make hetero to look good and the other gender/sexual identity look bad.lets wash our hands and blaime others,very easy to say.

Look, I hear where you're coming from. On bright bright side, MSM sex doesn't result in unintended pregnancies, which in the U.S. is an even bigger problem. You can destroy yourself financially by having a few kids you can't afford.

I do think for anyone who has anal sex, AIDS is a much greater threat than for the population overall. It would be a great if everyone used condoms, but everyone doesn't, hence why the disease continues to spread.

Anyway, my point wasn't to single anyone out, but to show that the OP's statistics shouldn't be startling or surprising to anyone here.

[tsadriana]

Look, I hear where you're coming from. On bright bright side, MSM sex doesn't result in unintended pregnancies, which in the U.S. is an even bigger problem. You can destroy yourself financially by having a few kids you can't afford.

I do think for anyone who has anal sex, AIDS is a much greater threat than for the population overall. It would be a great if everyone used condoms, but everyone doesn't, hence why the disease continues to spread.

Anyway, my point wasn't to single anyone out, but to show that the OP's statistics shouldn't be startling or surprising to anyone here.
If i have a bf its for sure condom its out of option as 2 partners need to trust with each other .

[fred41]

If i have a bf its for sure condom its out of option as 2 partners need to trust with each other .

Unfortunately, it's usually an 'unequal' trust though, because the receptive partner in most relationships always faces the greater risk.

[tsadriana]

Unfortunately, it's usually an 'unequal' trust though, because the receptive partner in most relationships always faces the greater risk.

Lets get all ill from some stuppid percentage.i dont belleve in that shit.never will.if u do ur choice.

[amberskyi]

That's true, but your risk within certain groups is dramatically greater than with others. That is obvious. If you always use a condom it shouldn't matter. But there is a sea of difference between having unprotected sex in the heterosexual community and having unprotected sex in the gay/bi community. That's like saying you can get robbed in Greenwhich, Connecticut as well as Hartford, Connecticut. Well yeah, but the risks simply aren't the same for those who are not cautious.

Say that to the heterosexual population in Africa which was experiencing an hiv epidemic less than a decade ago.
The person being penetrated is always more at risk than the "penetrater"...that includes those who get poked in their vagina hunny

[tsadriana]

Unfortunately, it's usually an 'unequal' trust though, because the receptive partner in most relationships always faces the greater risk.
You know what that shit percentage tells me?fuck all women with no condom cos ur safe ,but dont fuck transwomen cos u get HIV what alot of rubbish

[tsadriana]

Im gay and im proud fuck with straight in onelevel:):):):):):):)

[tsadriana]

tHEY ARE CLEAN WE ARE DIRTY...THEY ARE PURE AND WE LIVE IN SIN....PLEASE CUT THE CRAP PEEPS...NO GENDER OR SEXUAL INDETITY CAN DEFINE THE CAUSE OF DESEASE.

[tsadriana]

bY THE WAY IM STRAGHT WHEN I DONT DRINK .ITS NOT SUCH A THING AS STRAIGHT..MAYBE STRAIIGHT WALKING WHEN UR SOBER

[tsadriana]

:):):):)the straight attack very soon..cant wait to reply.

[wiltthestilt]

Say that to the heterosexual population in Africa which was experiencing an hiv epidemic less than a decade ago.
The person being penetrated is always more at risk than the "penetrater"...that includes those who get poked in their vagina hunny

In Africa--which wasn't the subject of the OP's post or the link I cited. Malaria is also a major problem in Africa, not so in the U.S.

In the U.S. HIV is largely concentrated in the gay/bi population, IV drug users, and the poor urban population. In the middle-class heterosexual population it is exceedingly rare and basically not a serious problem.

Theoretically heterosexual females are at risk if their man is on the down low, using needles, or having lots of unprotected sex with high-risk women, but somehow this happens very infrequently in middle-class suburbia.

I don't know why this is even such a big deal to admit. The heterosexual population has problems the gay community doesn't have, and vice versa.

[tsadriana]

In Africa--which wasn't the subject of the OP's post or the link I cited. Malaria is also a major problem in Africa, not so in the U.S.

In the U.S. HIV is largely concentrated in the gay/bi population, IV drug users, and the poor urban population. In the middle-class heterosexual population it is exceedingly rare and basically not a serious problem.

Theoretically heterosexual females are at risk if their man is on the down low, using needles, or having lots of unprotected sex with high-risk women, but somehow this happens very infrequently in middle-class suburbia.

I don't know why this is even such a big deal to admit. The heterosexual population has problems the gay community doesn't have, and vice versa.
Funnything to say the HIV is it in the poor population...people who doesnt have a clue to wash or be clean...i read btw the words..How abt people who takes lots of drugs and they dont know what they doing and end in having unproctected sex?

[tsadriana]

Please i will laugh with big mouth if someone would come and say we have high school and even on drugs we know what we do...bulshit again.

[tsadriana]

My opinion its that the poor people are more clean than the rich people .and u know why?because they live their lives everyday with big corcerns and big questions not ike rich ones etc.

[wiltthestilt]

Funnything to say the HIV is it in the poor population...people who doesnt have a clue to wash or be clean...i read btw the words..How abt people who takes lots of drugs and they dont know what they doing and end in having unproctected sex?

It is concentrated in the poor urban population. And it has nothing to do with washing or being clean. This isn't even worth arguing about. If you want to ignore an obvious fact go right ahead.

[amberskyi]

In Africa--which wasn't the subject of the OP's post or the link I cited. Malaria is also a major problem in Africa, not so in the U.S.

In the U.S. HIV is largely concentrated in the gay/bi population, IV drug users, and the poor urban population. In the middle-class heterosexual population it is exceedingly rare and basically not a serious problem.

Theoretically heterosexual females are at risk if their man is on the down low, using needles, or having lots of unprotected sex with high-risk women, but somehow this happens very infrequently in middle-class suburbia.

I don't know why this is even such a big deal to admit. The heterosexual population has problems the gay community doesn't have, and vice versa.

Lmao okay dude live in your heterosexual white suburban bubble

[tsadriana]

It is concentrated in the poor urban population. And it has nothing to do with washing or being clean. This isn't even worth arguing about. If you want to ignore an obvious fact go right ahead.
ITS ACTUALY A FACT THE RICH ONES BLAIME THE POOR ONES..HOW ABOUT BFUCK WITH THE RICH ONES WITH NO BRAiNIS?

[tsadriana]

Poor people care abt themself more then rich people...so rich people feck off to not say fuck off and get new fucking brain.

[wiltthestilt]

:joke:
Lmao okay dude live in your heterosexual white suburban bubble

LYFAO all you want. It's true. And statistics support it. You're the one in the bubble.

[tsadriana]

:joke:

LYFAO all you want. It's true. And statistics support it. You're the one in the bubble.
Thats why most vaginas smels a fish because its clean..wierd..i should open more threads abt this when the water its 2m of you.

[tsadriana]

Transexuals are clean and always will be...i bet most women doesnt wash their but and u fuck them...shame.Amber if i was lesbians u was the one for me.

[amberskyi]

:joke:

LYFAO all you want. It's true. And statistics support it. You're the one in the bubble.

No bubble in my life boo that popped with my cherry lol

[wiltthestilt]

Alright, well, since this discussion is getting silly now, I'm out.

If anyone wishes to learn more on their own, here you go.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/default.htm

[tsadriana]

Alright, well, since this discussion is getting silly now, I'm out.

If anyone wishes to learn more on their own, here you go.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/default.htm
Go shag a woman arse who lets brown marks in ur rubber..guess what peeps?bareback with straight people but never with other genders.wierd....i think i had enogh just like him,reading his deep nonesense coments.

[betts]

bY THE WAY IM STRAGHT WHEN I DONT DRINK .ITS NOT SUCH A THING AS STRAIGHT..MAYBE STRAIIGHT WALKING WHEN UR SOBER


Please i will laugh with big mouth if someone would come and say we have high school and even on drugs we know what we do...bulshit again.


HOW ABOUT BFUCK WITH THE RICH ONES WITH NO BRAiNIS?


so rich people feck off to not say fuck off and get new fucking brain.


Thats why most vaginas smels a fish because its clean..wierd..



http://images.andyouknowthis.net/confused-face1.jpg

[tsadriana]

http://images.andyouknowthis.net/confused-face1.jpg
Exactly just like you ,,,,,,i think as u think and we think and we all think but never the right answer.

[VictoriaVeil]

seriously???? ah the state of marriage...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-phoenix-area-man-killed-wife-hiv-fear-18922763#.UWZOE7Xrzos

[Tits McButts]

....

[GroobySteven]

Thats why most vaginas smels a fish because its clean..wierd..i should open more threads abt this when the water its 2m of you.

Clearly you've never been close to pussy other than some skank. It rarely smells of fish.

[GroobySteven]

ITS ACTUALY A FACT THE RICH ONES BLAIME THE POOR ONES..HOW ABOUT BFUCK WITH THE RICH ONES WITH NO BRAiNIS?


You know what? You're being a retard here. This has nothing to do with whether you are rich or poor - but it's a fact that can be seen the world over, whether it's STD's, or too many children per family, or crime, etc. there are higher incidences in poor societies. This isn't a blame issue, it's a reason why statistics for some things are higher than in other areas or cultures.
Stop drinking before you post rubbish.

[GroobySteven]

Funnything to say the HIV is it in the poor population...people who doesnt have a clue to wash or be clean...i read btw the words..How abt people who takes lots of drugs and they dont know what they doing and end in having unproctected sex?

Washing and cleaning IS part of it. It's education on how to protect yourself, to wear condoms, to be clean and most importantly to be educated on how it spreads. Drugs is a completely different animal.

[GroobySteven]

Lmao okay dude live in your heterosexual white suburban bubble
He might live in it but the statistics he claims are right - and I don't see why they need to be ridiculed. Objectively, some areas of society are more likely to contract certain diseases than others, those are facts.

The real issue isn't what areas of society get those diseases it's WHY those people are more susceptible.

[tsdvdman]

Some good points stated. Started out as a good conversation. I get the feeling most dont want to deal with the obvious realities. It kills the thrill..especially for the chasers.
I'm sorry..but I'm just not buying the theory that its much safer because you are in the porn/sex industry. Many of you girls emphasize quite emphatically that you have a life outside of escorting/porn. This is truly some scary shit!!

[tsadriana]

You know what? You're being a retard here. This has nothing to do with whether you are rich or poor - but it's a fact that can be seen the world over, whether it's STD's, or too many children per family, or crime, etc. there are higher incidences in poor societies. This isn't a blame issue, it's a reason why statistics for some things are higher than in other areas or cultures.
Stop drinking before you post rubbish.

Your right and its true im retard and a post alot of rubbish when im drinking its just a part of my entertaiment :)

[natina]

my nurse friend in Hollywood tells me a story that where he works that all the people who are HIV+ AND SITTING ON DEATHS DOOR ARE TRANSSEXUALS SEX WORKERS.

THIS WAS IN THE early 90's.


there is a hospice in HOLLYWOOD and it is for long term care of the terminally ill



Then it should put a significant halt to "Tranny Chasing" as we currently know it

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-transgender-women-nearly-50-times-more-likely-to-have-hiv-93462/


Looking at the study in the Lancet piece itself, you can already see the flaw: "Data were only available for countries with male-predominant HIV epidemics, which included the USA, six Asia-Pacific countries, five in Latin America, and three in Europe." So we're not talking about a worldwide pandemic here, we're talking about a percentage of a select percentage of a select percentage. While it may be indicative of SOMETHING (and that something is certainly a problem), to say that transsexual women in general are fifty times more likely to be infected is absurd. We've gone over before on this board the very real possibility (I'd almost call it a likelihood) that the number of transgendered people in general may well be larger than it's reported simply because of the social stigma. That factor alone would be enough to throw this "study" off. I just don't buy it.


I have seen articles based on research among Transexual prostitutes in the USA and Brazil, so while this study may have included data from more countries the subject has been covered before. Anal sex was been identified in the 1980s as a critically vulnerable pathway for the virus which is why transexual prostitutes have been recorded as HIV+ in high numbers, but that also includes prostitutes not using condoms who also have drug problems, and the studies I saw were done in the 1990s. It isn't really possible to come up with a definitive figure when so many transexual prostitutes are reluctant to take part, or, because they are not street walkers, are not even 'seen'.

There was concern a year or so ago that the reduction in the incidence of HIV infection, and the advances made in retroviral drugs had introduced some complacency among younger people and that this was expected to lead to a new spike in recorded cases as a result of bareback sex. In fact, I believe that in sex resorts like Pattaya, the bigger danger is with other diseases such as Gonorrhea, Chlamydia and Herpes. As is always the case, protection at all times is the safest way to go.


i think people in porn are actually less likely to be at risk because they test more often and quarantine all infected parties (where applicable)- however escorts are more likely to be risky because there is no way of knowing how the transact their business

[Westheangelino]

^ What she said. Is getting topped by an unknown drug addled TS who is mostly bottom and might enjoy getting raw dog a danger? Sure. Is it the same danger if she is a porn star? Probably the safest sex of all. Those who come down with the HIV are quickly discovered.

[african1]

it's prolly too late for you bro...in the end you can't go against nature

[african1]

Then it should put a significant halt to "Tranny Chasing" as we currently know it

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-transgender-women-nearly-50-times-more-likely-to-have-hiv-93462/

it's prolly too late for you bro...in the end you can't go against nature

[tsdvdman]

it's prolly too late for you bro...in the end you can't go against nature
You definitely can't go against nature...but this is cause for serious alarm.
One of the great things about this forum is that it gives you REAL insight into the minds of the girls. And I don't mean just the promotional stuff.
For example..If a "top tiered" TS producer/pornstar/escort like Wendy Williams who post that she just got robbed by a dude she met in her "personal" life...it makes you wonder the type of judgement or lapse in judgement some of these girls exercise overall in their daily lives. You can't separate it..it's all relative. Many dudes tend to ignore the realities because it kills the fantasy. I understand that fully.

[amberskyi]

You definitely can't go against nature...but this is cause for serious alarm.
One of the great things about this forum is that it gives you REAL insight into the minds of the girls. And I don't mean just the promotional stuff.
For example..If a "top tiered" TS producer/pornstar/escort like Wendy Williams who post that she just got robbed by a dude she met in her "personal" life...it makes you wonder the type of judgement or lapse in judgement some of these girls exercise overall in their daily lives. You can't separate it..it's all relative. Many dudes tend to ignore the realities because it kills the fantasy. I understand that fully.

What does getting robbed have to do with judgment.its an unfortunate event that can happen to anyone.i really don't understand this blame the victim mentality that some people have.also i believe Wendy said several times it wasn't business related.
Are you trying to imply that we industry ts girls lack common sense and take unnecessary risks cause that sounds like a generalization.i hope not because you're the first person to get get their panties in a bunch when one of the girls make a generalization about you guys.

[fred41]

^ ... Those who come down with the HIV are quickly discovered. _______ comes to mind (allegedly).

You really,really shouldn't mention names on here when it comes to "rumor" and HIV...IMHO.

[amberskyi]

Well i heard that fred41 has HIV.my girlfriends, has a girlfriend who saw him as a client and saw some strange pills in his medicine cabinet (little do i know girlfriend #1 was just mad cause he canceled an appointment with her)......you see how easy that was? That's why we don't do it

[GroobySteven]

You really,really shouldn't mention names on here when it comes to "rumor" and HIV...IMHO.


Agreed and name removed.
Nobody should be posting "allegedly XYZ's health status"

[GroobySteven]

Well i heard that fred41 has HIV.my girlfriends, has a girlfriend who saw him as a client and saw some strange pills in his medicine cabinet (little do i know girlfriend #1 was just mad cause he canceled an appointment with her)......you see how easy that was? That's why we don't do it

I think you're picking on the wrong person - Fred41 was asking people not to do that.

[GroobySteven]

What does getting robbed have to do with judgment.its an unfortunate event that can happen to anyone.i really don't understand this blame the victim mentality that some people have.also i believe Wendy said several times it wasn't business related.
Are you trying to imply that we industry ts girls lack common sense and take unnecessary risks cause that sounds like a generalization.i hope not because you're the first person to get get their panties in a bunch when one of the girls make a generalization about you guys.

Agreed - I fail to see what one has to do with another. It seems more like you have an axe to grind than the valid points in your first post?

[amberskyi]

I think you're picking on the wrong person - Fred41 was asking people not to do that.

Opps..public apology from amber to Fred.i thought he was saying one should name people.its the heat, sorry.

[fred41]

Opps..public apology from amber to Fred.i thought he was saying one should name people.its the heat, sorry.
Thank you Amber.
I would never do that.
..and Thank You Seanchai for pointing that out.

[tsdvdman]

Agreed - I fail to see what one has to do with another. It seems more like you have an axe to grind than the valid points in your first post?

No not at all..no axe to grind. I only used that as an example because she posted it on here for response and discussion. However..I DO feel there is a direct relation to the topic at hand. And Amber sorta helped make my point in her post.
It was NOT an escorting/client situation when she got robbed (we all know that anyone is at risk of that type of situation when it comes to the escorting)..But...as SHE empasizes over and over...it was a PERSONAL situation where she hooked up with a brotha in her room and he ended up robbing her.
That is clearly a lapse in judegement if you are hooking up with and fucking the types of dudes that will rob you once you turn your head or go to the bathroom. And it sheds reality to the fact that you girls are not just the fantasy..but you are human too. So..(in my opinion)..if you are hooking up with the type of dudes that will rob you..there's no telling what other types of lapse n judgement you excersize on a daily basis..then add to the fact that you are having sex multiple times daily with clients. Again..these numbers are scary. People need to stop fooling themselves...I know I'm not

[tsdvdman]

And BTW..There are thousands of dudes from all walks of life,,ethnic backrounds, race..cultures.etc,,etc,,that a girl can hook up with and NOT have to worry about getting robbed.

[Westheangelino]

http://www.thebody.com/content/art54537.html

This article presents more solid research I think. However, the numbers aren't good. Just be smart and live with your choices

[amberskyi]

No not at all..no axe to grind. I only used that as an example because she posted it on here for response and discussion. However..I DO feel there is a direct relation to the topic at hand. And Amber sorta helped make my point in her post.
It was NOT an escorting/client situation when she got robbed (we all know that anyone is at risk of that type of situation when it comes to the escorting)..But...as SHE empasizes over and over...it was a PERSONAL situation where she hooked up with a brotha in her room and he ended up robbing her.
That is clearly a lapse in judegement if you are hooking up with and fucking the types of dudes that will rob you once you turn your head or go to the bathroom. And it sheds reality to the fact that you girls are not just the fantasy..but you are human too. So..(in my opinion)..if you are hooking up with the type of dudes that will rob you..there's no telling what other types of lapse n judgement you excersize on a daily basis..then add to the fact that you are having sex multiple times daily with clients. Again..these numbers are scary. People need to stop fooling themselves...I know I'm not
Shit if you want to make generalization than here's one, maybe her mistake was fucking a nigg..(whoa calm down girl) a um black dude to begin with.how many violent crimes in the US are committed by people of color.let's talk about those fucking stats.
There's a simple solution to all this...where a condom and get tested **gasp**
If you can't do that than don't fuck ANYONE not just ts.
Not sit down with this red scare nonsense your trying to stir up

[tsdvdman]

http://www.thebody.com/content/art54537.html

This article presents more solid research I think. However, the numbers aren't good. Just be smart and live with your choices
:iagree:

[tsdvdman]

Shit if you want to make generalization than here's one, maybe her mistake was fucking a nigg..(whoa calm down girl) a um black dude to begin with.how many violent crimes in the US are committed by people of color.let's talk about those fucking stats.
There's a simple solution to all this...where a condom and get tested **gasp**
If you can't do that than don't fuck ANYONE not just ts.
Not sit down with this red scare nonsense your trying to stir up
Lol..I feel you baby girl. Her problem wasn't just fucking a "nigg"..it was fucking the type that WOULD rob you. There's plenty that wont.

[amberskyi]

And there's plenty of girls who don't have HIV

[STARTUP999]

Smack! AmberI think I enjoy your reading your comments as much as looking at your pictures.

[Bunzee]

i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that trans girls have a very high percentage of sex workers. Would be valid to say that a TS girls is 50x more likely to be a sex worker than a gg woman.

if you excluded TS sex workers then data would be less dramatic

[amberskyi]

i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that trans girls have a very high percentage of sex workers. Would be valid to say that a TS girls is 50x more likely to be a sex worker than a gg woman.

if you excluded TS sex workers then data would be less dramatic

Wrong again buddy...the majority of ts girls don't escort.the ones that do escort,cam or porn are much more visible, easier to find and contact so it just seems that way.also the majority of ts woman tend to transition later in life (think 40s +) and aren't interested in sex work (and let's be honest, to old for it).
Any other generalizations,myths etc that i can debunk for y'all

[amberskyi]

Smack! AmberI think I enjoy your reading your comments as much as looking at your pictures.

Thanks hun.i try to talk sense but much of the time I'm either hated for it or ignored lol...wait you were complimenting me right or was that smack for me
-__-

[GroobySteven]

Lol..I feel you baby girl. Her problem wasn't just fucking a "nigg"..it was fucking the type that WOULD rob you. There's plenty that wont.

How do you tell the difference? :yingyang:

[Westheangelino]

i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that trans girls have a very high percentage of sex workers. Would be valid to say that a TS girls is 50x more likely to be a sex worker than a gg woman.

if you excluded TS sex workers then data would be less dramatic

I disagree with that statement and Amber's follow up to your statement.

We cannot forget what the significant vectors for HIV transmission are: unprotected anal sex with a multitude of partners, introvenous drug use. Sorry to drop some reality, but GG sex workers are NOT vectors for HIV, never have been, at least not in the USA or Europe. It IS the kind of sex that is going on that makes the percentages so high. There is no morality to this. It is what it is. Sometimes I get the urge to get gang banged and take a dozen raw loads. I don't for the same reason I don't smoke a pack of cigarettes a day or snort coke every night. Unfortunately we are living in a time where there is a disease that is transmitted through sexual activity that an already stigmatized and shat upon minority happens to enjoy. It sucks.

Let me make something VERY clear: I am NOT saying that every or even many tgirls get in a harness and take raw loads from a cue of horny men while shooting heroin. Obviously that is not reality. What IS reality is this: tgirls face exploitation and denigration in a way that makes them not respect themselves and take risks. I once had an encounter with a tgirl from CL in which she revealed that she had been raped by her friend's brother when she was 15. She had just ran away from home and begun her transition. This scum just figured, "Eh, I can fuck this person and just get away with it. They will do nothing about it." Which, of course, is what happened. And there she was, fifteen years later putting ads on CL and taking anonymous loads.

Remember what I said in another thread about the Closet making people do creepy, ill shit by the very nature of being in the closet? It applies here. If you force or allow people to live on the margins, then they will suffer. Think of the recent attack on Eva Lin. Obviously, she is a strong, intelligent person. She was able to go to the police, and her scum attackers are going to jail. How many times has that happened to someone who didn't possess the same strengths? How many HIV infections have occurred because a tgirl was raped, because a John pressured or bribed her into risky sex, because the weight of the world drove them to dangerous drugs and anonymous encounters?

[GroobySteven]

How many HIV infections have occurred because a tgirl was raped, because a John pressured or bribed her into risky sex, because the weight of the world drove them to dangerous drugs and anonymous encounters?

I'd argue more have occurred from having unprotected sex with their (poor) choice of partners than from being pressured or bribed by John's.

[Westheangelino]

^ That was just an example, and I totally agree. For every John that has wanted to raw dog for an extra fifty, there are ten non Johns that go, "Oh...c'mon, baby. I'm clean."

[Stavros]

I disagree with that statement and Amber's follow up to your statement.

We cannot forget what the significant vectors for HIV transmission are: unprotected anal sex with a multitude of partners, introvenous drug use. Sorry to drop some reality, but GG sex workers are NOT vectors for HIV, never have been, at least not in the USA or Europe.


In The River (1999), by Edward Hooper, a fascinating, if deeply controversial history of the origins and development of HIV, female prostitution in East Africa is claimed as one of the key pathways the virus took in its journey from the Simian to the Human population. Hooper argues that men from the former Belgian Congo, subsequently Zaire and now the Democratic Republic of the Congo, had their immune systems compromised by the Polio vaccine issued to them as children in the late 1950s which he believes was contaminated with a form of SIV . These men, he claims, often travelled to Mombasa and Nairobi where they had sex with prostitutes, thereby widening the disease pool until an immune deficiency disease which had been of limited impact became a global epidemic, with, allegedly, sex tourism playing a major part in its diffusion. Thus, what might have been a disease in animals made that critical transition to humans, and prostitution was one of its pathways. Subsequently, unhygienic medical procedures and/or contaminated blood and/or intravenous drug injection -as well as unprotected anal sex- became vulnerable modes of transmission.

In South Africa, which I believe has the highest rate of HIV in the world, women are mostly the victims and are not prostitutes in many cases, but many have been victims of violence. This doesn't lessen the rate of infection problem among transexual prostitutes, but as Seanchai says the pathway there might well be the partners these girls have rather than their clients, particularly if they are drug users and violent men; and there is no need to exclude Africa, Asia -and India which also has high HIV rates and rampant prostitution and violence against women- from this debate, particularly when many men travel to these countries and may have sexual relations with prostitutes, transexual and/or female.

[amberskyi]

I disagree with that statement and Amber's follow up to your statement.

We cannot forget what the significant vectors for HIV transmission are: unprotected anal sex with a multitude of partners, introvenous drug use. Sorry to drop some reality, but GG sex workers are NOT vectors for HIV, never have been, at least not in the USA or Europe. It IS the kind of sex that is going on that makes the percentages so high. There is no morality to this. It is what it is. Sometimes I get the urge to get gang banged and take a dozen raw loads. I don't for the same reason I don't smoke a pack of cigarettes a day or snort coke every night. Unfortunately we are living in a time where there is a disease that is transmitted through sexual activity that an already stigmatized and shat upon minority happens to enjoy. It sucks.

Let me make something VERY clear: I am NOT saying that every or even many tgirls get in a harness and take raw loads from a cue of horny men while shooting heroin. Obviously that is not reality. What IS reality is this: tgirls face exploitation and denigration in a way that makes them not respect themselves and take risks. I once had an encounter with a tgirl from CL in which she revealed that she had been raped by her friend's brother when she was 15. She had just ran away from home and begun her transition. This scum just figured, "Eh, I can fuck this person and just get away with it. They will do nothing about it." Which, of course, is what happened. And there she was, fifteen years later putting ads on CL and taking anonymous loads.

Remember what I said in another thread about the Closet making people do creepy, ill shit by the very nature of being in the closet? It applies here. If you force or allow people to live on the margins, then they will suffer. Think of the recent attack on Eva Lin. Obviously, she is a strong, intelligent person. She was able to go to the police, and her scum attackers are going to jail. How many times has that happened to someone who didn't possess the same strengths? How many HIV infections have occurred because a tgirl was raped, because a John pressured or bribed her into risky sex, because the weight of the world drove them to dangerous drugs and anonymous encounters?

i said the majority of ts woman do NOT escort and thats truth but im sure you know more than bruh

[tsdvdman]

How do you tell the difference? :yingyang:
Good question..you kinda answered it slightly with this..in bold
"I'd argue more have occurred from having unprotected sex with their (poor) choice of partners than from being pressured or bribed by John's"

It's about the "choices" you make based on experience, environment, vibes, personal standards etc etc. In the case I exampled earlier..I was even more shocked because this particular TS fucks more brothers on camera than any other TS I see promoting....AND even runs an interracial ts porn site. WOW!!..again..IF the decision making skills and lapse in judgement is that far off in the personal life....then there has to be a correlation to that and other risk factors that lead to even greater consequences than just getting robbed. There's just no denying it. You can replace your belongings...but it aint no getting your health back

[Rusty Eldora]

http://www.thebody.com/content/art54537.html

This article presents more solid research I think. However, the numbers aren't good. Just be smart and live with your choices

Thanks for linking this article, it appears to be a well written factual piece. I noted in there that TG sex workers

it also appears that their infection rates are as much as four times higher than those of genetically female sex workers

I feel that could be fully attributable to anal vs vaginal sex. Receiving unprotected anal is far higher risk (I recall 1/15 vs 1/600 but this is from memory) with an infected partner. With protection, there is some risk (broken or slipped off condoms etc) but many orders of magnitude better.

With sex workers a big variable is who are the johns, at the higher end the vast majority are married guys out having fun, it is a lower risk pool for exposure (few participants that are high risk). At the lower end the pool gets riskier as more drug users (needle infection transfer is huge risk) and less safety is practiced. So the likelihood of the partner having is far higher.

Yes those that have had one lifelong partner are far lower risk. I've seen stats that the average number of sex partners in a life is well under 10 (how boring) that skews the risks numbers very low. Is the typical trans high risk compared, I would surely say so.

This study notes that only 1:30,000 is MTF, that is only 10,000 TG in the US, which seems low by more than a factor of 10. Also, I think the reported TG population is badly skewed as a significant % do not get in the statistics. Further, we all consider the TV community to be higher risk and taints the TG community is probably mixed into these statistics as well.

The important fact is we all need to be covered for the main event.

[WendyWilliams]

You definitely can't go against nature...but this is cause for serious alarm.
One of the great things about this forum is that it gives you REAL insight into the minds of the girls. And I don't mean just the promotional stuff.
For example..If a "top tiered" TS producer/pornstar/escort like Wendy Williams who post that she just got robbed by a dude she met in her "personal" life...it makes you wonder the type of judgement or lapse in judgement some of these girls exercise overall in their daily lives. You can't separate it..it's all relative. Many dudes tend to ignore the realities because it kills the fantasy. I understand that fully.


What does my success in my profession have to do with some idiot? This had nothing to do with me being a pornstar in fact I met him at a drag show originally and not even sure he even knew who I was besides one of the performers in the show. I had met him several times the lack in judgement came from HIM not me. I did nothing that warranted nor did I leave any guard down. Just another post of you taking a jab at me as you have done so many other times. TACKY

[WendyWilliams]

You definitely can't go against nature...but this is cause for serious alarm.
One of the great things about this forum is that it gives you REAL insight into the minds of the girls. And I don't mean just the promotional stuff.
For example..If a "top tiered" TS producer/pornstar/escort like Wendy Williams who post that she just got robbed by a dude she met in her "personal" life...it makes you wonder the type of judgement or lapse in judgement some of these girls exercise overall in their daily lives. You can't separate it..it's all relative. Many dudes tend to ignore the realities because it kills the fantasy. I understand that fully.


No not at all..no axe to grind. I only used that as an example because she posted it on here for response and discussion. However..I DO feel there is a direct relation to the topic at hand. And Amber sorta helped make my point in her post.
It was NOT an escorting/client situation when she got robbed (we all know that anyone is at risk of that type of situation when it comes to the escorting)..But...as SHE empasizes over and over...it was a PERSONAL situation where she hooked up with a brotha in her room and he ended up robbing her.
That is clearly a lapse in judegement if you are hooking up with and fucking the types of dudes that will rob you once you turn your head or go to the bathroom. And it sheds reality to the fact that you girls are not just the fantasy..but you are human too. So..(in my opinion)..if you are hooking up with the type of dudes that will rob you..there's no telling what other types of lapse n judgement you excersize on a daily basis..then add to the fact that you are having sex multiple times daily with clients. Again..these numbers are scary. People need to stop fooling themselves...I know I'm not


You are an ass and had a an axe to grind with me for years. Ive fucked 100's of black dudes and this is the first time ever been robbed by anyone. He and I met several times before this and met in a club, had great conversations, hung out, laughed, and enjoyed each other. NOt sure why he did what he did but had nothing to do with a "type".

I never gave you any description or background about him for you to say "type of dude" besides the picture showing he was black.. You are an asshole

[WendyWilliams]

And I don't understand how me being robbed has anything to do with HIV status? I am tested every 30-45 days, don't do bareback and keep a clean test so this whole type of guys she fucks leads to blah blah is really wrong and dangerous.