Allegations of HIV

[Prospero]

There was a thread running here in which it was claimed that a certain London based escort has HIV and practices bareback - presumably to spread it around. I've removed it. It is essentially a criminal libel on the escort involved and the allegation cannot be proven here so I've taken it down.

Any thoughts - without naming the girl - on this It is very easy to make this suggestion especially sheltering, as the bulk of us here do, under a pseudonym. But hugely damaging to the reputation of this escort or any escort subject to such an allegation. (it would be equally wrong to make this sort of claim about a customer).

The bottom line, repeated endlessly in posts across this forum over time, is on the individual to protect themselves - so that if in an encounter, paid for or otherwise, they choose to engage in unsafe sex then both parties do so with an adult attitude to the risk involved in this.

[fire.starterman]

Talking generally now, anyone who has a large amountnt of rumors knocking around on the internet about hiv infection and is working as an escort should really address the issue.

[Prospero]

I agree Firestarterman. But if this girl did come on and deny the allegations would anyone believe her - short of her producing a medical certificate?

[fire.starterman]

Yeah a lot of damage has already been done. But yeah why not get a test, scan it in and upload it?

[natina]

alll you have to do is look at the local news in that area and if they have HIV/AIDS they usually will post there real name and alias plus more info . jusst like with these folks.



German pop star Nadja Benaissa Sex Confession Of Spreading HIV



Pop Star Nadja Benaissa has confessed to keeping her HIV status a secret to sexual partners. Benaissa broke down in tears at a Darmstadt, Germany courtroom apologizing for her sex acts.

Benaissa, 28, denied trying to infect anyone with the virus that causes AIDS. Benaissa recently went to trail due to an ex-lover who contracted the virus allegedly from her.

Benaissa faces 6 months to 10 years in prison.


Once a member of the famous female pop group No Angels, has been charged with causing bodily harm or attempting to cause bodily harm. Her verdict will be on August 26.

Benaissa told the court that she found out she was HIV positive in 1999 when she was 16-years old and 6 months pregnant. Her lawyers claimed that doctors told her the chance of giving someone else the disease was "practically zero."

Benaissa reportedly had unprotected sex on five occasions between 2000 and 2004 with three men. She did not tell them that she had HIV reportedly. The man who brought Benaissa to court has not been named. He did not know that Benaissa was HIV positive until his aunt told him later on. He is HIV positive. (c) tPC


http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=221&num=317802
http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=221&num=317802
http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=221&num=317802
http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=221&num=317802

[natina]

Feds: Sergeant hid diagnosis from “multitude” of sex partners

An HIV-positive Air Force sergeant failed to disclose his medical condition before engaging in sexual activity with a “multitude” of partners he met at “swinger” parties and through adult web sites, according to a military investigation, The Smoking Gun has learned.

The criminal probe of Sgt. David Gutierrez, a 20-year military veteran, began last month when the Air Force Office of Special Investigations received information that he had “engaged in numerous, unprotected sexual acts…over the course of three years.” According to court records, investigators charge that, due to Gutierrez’s HIV status, these encounters amounted to “aggravated assault against several men and women in and around the Wichita, Kansas area.”

The 43-year-old Gutierrez, stationed at McConnell Air Force Base in Wichita, was “apprehended” on August 9 for violating the Uniform Code of Military Justice. At the time, a “search of his person and vehicle was conducted pursuant to a search authority granted by a military magistrate,” records show. Two subsequent searches--conducted at the Wichita home Gutierrez shares with his wife Gina--targeted his computers and other belongings in a bid to “identify potential witnesses and victims.”

Gutierrez’s wife told investigators that he became infected with HIV in 2007 while stationed in Italy.

“Gutierrez began having unprotected sex with numerous partners,” Gina Gutierrez told Air Force investigators. She said that her husband used adult networking web sites to arrange “sexual encounters with both male and female partners,” and “bragged” to her “about his numerous sexual exploits in the Wichita area and commented he never informed the other parties of being HIV positive.” Online profiles indicate that Gutierrez’s wife has participated with him in swinging activity, both in Kansas and Italy.


In his affidavit, Freeman disclosed having interviewed two women who reported having unprotected sex with Gutierrez after meeting him through adult web sites.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/air-force-swinger-hiv-probe

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/usaf-hiv-probe?page=6

[nysprod]

Yeah a lot of damage has already been done. But yeah why not get a test, scan it in and upload it?

And do what? Have unprotected sex?

[natina]

there are escorts who have unprotected sex with strange and regular customersplus there have been oops's and accidents.

I know because I let an a stay at my home a few times and they did it and I seen it in kmy living room and dining room before.
a few times the condom broke! yikes!

some times the guy came in them without permission.

[LibertyHarkness]

why should/would a person have to list their personal name/details etc on a website with a health certificate . LOL dont be silly no one is going to do that ....stalkers?hassle? etc

As prospero said ... people just need to wrap it up etc ...or accept if they bareback with people you may or may not get something ...

[natina]

never put vaseline on latex condoms!

they will dissenagrate with petroleum products.

[tvkim]

I agree Firestarterman. But if this girl did come on and deny the allegations would anyone believe her - short of her producing a medical certificate?


Really can't see the point of Medical Certificates. No way an escort or working porn performer that only does bareback could possibly stick to the rules of the 12 week rule.

For those who don't know what the 12 week rule is...

http://www.aidsguelph.org/hiv-101---what-you-need-to-know


THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY KNOW IF YOU ARE HIV+ IS TO GET TESTED (http://www.aidsguelph.org/hiv-testing-locations)!!!!!


It can take up to 12 weeks after becoming infected, before the body makes enough antibodies to give an accurate HIV test.
Rule of thumb: An HIV test given today will tell you your HIV status as of 12 weeks prior.


That is why it is important to wait 12 weeks from your last possible exposure to be sure your test result is accurate.



Just wear a condom and then no need to worry whether the other person is HIV pos or HIV neg, or has any other sexually transmitted deseases.

[GroobySteven]

12 weeks is out of date, it's 4 weeks. Same sentiments but don't present as facts thanks.

[youngblood61]

Wrap it up, be safe!:)

[nysprod]

12 weeks is out of date, it's 4 weeks. Same sentiments but don't present as facts thanks.

It actually depends on the type of test...there are two:

An antibody test (which doesn't detect the virus but the person's response to exposure) can take anywhere from 2-8 weeks to test positive...the vast majority of people will develop AB's within 90 days. The test itself only requires a swab.

The RNA test looks for the virus itself...this test can only be done with a blood sample...very reliable 10 days post-exposure.

[giovanni_hotel]

Put a ring on it.

[Rusty Eldora]

Several local hobby boards here in an effort to comply with laws about underage providers requests a scan of their id with their name and address blacked out (picture and age visible). A couple of times where rumors were flying, the board allowed/requested the provider who claimed that she had results showing she was OK to send them in.

They reported that the rumor was probably false, changed the title of the accusing thread and locked it. It did kill the rumors, but is not perfect to dispell all as tests can be faked.

However, knowing that one can be jailed for knowingly having sex with an STD should stop anyone that is positive.

Still - everyone in the hobby should always be covered in the main event.

[tvkim]

It actually depends on the type of test...there are two:

An antibody test (which doesn't detect the virus but the person's response to exposure) can take anywhere from 2-8 weeks to test positive...the vast majority of people will develop AB's within 90 days. The test itself only requires a swab.

The RNA test looks for the virus itself...this test can only be done with a blood sample...very reliable 10 days post-exposure.

Just looked at the WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION website for the latest time period for the tests to be 100% accurate and you are quite correct. Looks like 12 weeks is the guidelines according to them. But I guess they could be wrong.

[natina]

what hobby boards or you talking about?

TER?

TRANSSEXUAL ESCORT REVIEW?

......ANY OTHERS?


Several local hobby boards here in an effort to comply with laws about underage providers requests a scan of their id with their name and address blacked out (picture and age visible). A couple of times where rumors were flying, the board allowed/requested the provider who claimed that she had results showing she was OK to send them in.

They reported that the rumor was probably false, changed the title of the accusing thread and locked it. It did kill the rumors, but is not perfect to dispell all as tests can be faked.

However, knowing that one can be jailed for knowingly having sex with an STD should stop anyone that is positive.

Still - everyone in the hobby should always be covered in the main event.

[natina]

SEE THS THREAD URGENT!

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=76192
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=76192
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=76192
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=76192

"I urge all men who meet these criteria—regardless of whether they identify as gay—to get vaccinated now and protect themselves from this disease before it is too late,"


Meningitis Spreading Via Gay Sex: Officials

Health dept. urges men to get vaccinated
(Newser) – New York City's health department is warning men who engage in anonymous, gay sex to get vaccinated against meningitis, ABC News reports. An outbreak has already killed seven New Yorkers and sickened 22, spreading mostly through men who meet at bars, parties, or online. "I urge all men who meet these criteria—regardless of whether they identify as gay—to get vaccinated now and protect themselves from this disease before it is too late," says the city's health commissioner.

It's not known which websites and apps are linked to the outbreak, but more than half of infected men have HIV—which weakens the immune system and more easily leads to severe infections. Bacterial meningitis infects the membranous lining of the brain and includes symptoms like fever, vomiting, and headaches; it can lead to brain damage or death if left untreated. (Read about an outbreak that killed at least 15 people and sickened more than 200 last year.)


http://www.newser.com/story/164951/meningitis-spreading-via-gay-sex-officials.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_3_2

[Prospero]

PMs sent to me have taken me to task for removing the original thread suggesting a specific named escort has hiv. I repeat that I feel this is an unfair accusation to make without any proof. The fact the escort involved is alleged to regularly offer bareback sex - with some evidence to support this allegation - might suggest she could be infected is still not proof of this.

I do not believe it was wrong to delete this thread. This sort of accusation could be flung here against any working girl.

As I've often said before the only protection possible is to ensure you practice safe sex.

[GroobySteven]

PMs sent to me have taken me to task for removing the original thread suggesting a specific named escort has hiv. I repeat that I feel this is an unfair accusation to make without any proof. The fact the escort involved is alleged to regularly offer bareback sex - with some evidence to support this allegation - might suggest she could be infected is still not proof of this.

I do not believe it was wrong to delete this thread. This sort of accusation could be flung here against any working girl.

As I've often said before the only protection possible is to ensure you practice safe sex.

I concur.

[darkrose2000]

12 weeks is out of date, it's 4 weeks. Same sentiments but don't present as facts thanks.

If the HIV test is this one that show the result at the moment (1 drop/2 drops) - it is 3 months.

If the HIV test is the blood test sent to the lab ( results are known after 1 week) it is 1 month.

I know it for sure, because I go with some escorts to help them do it from time to time.

Here in London is pretty easy to do it, it is free and there are a lot of places to do it, and to get free lube, condoms and support for the escorts.

And yes, Do it with condom. It could be be not the perfect feeling, but you feel much more safe.

Regards,
K.

[alyssaluxor]

I always undergo HIV test every 6 months the one I do are Elisa and Rapid test, are those test reliable?

The results is always non reactive

[StinkyPete1000]

never put vaseline on latex condoms!

they will dissenagrate with petroleum products.
Good to know

[flabbybody]

I concur.
me too.
I'm constantly hearing rumors about this girl and that girl... most of them started by other girls to hurt biz.
Visiting tgirl escorts is high risk and both parties need to practice safe sex. Internet rumors of a person's health status help no one.

[Westheangelino]

The PCR/NAAT test has a ten day window, and is highly accurate. It is, however, not available everywhere, and is expensive. I'm lucky to live in L.A. where the Gay and Lesbian center offers it as part of their free testing panel.

[suttonporksword]

my only question here is what is the role of the forum. everything else is dictated by this

[MdR Dave]

The PCR/NAAT test has a ten day window, and is highly accurate. It is, however, not available everywhere, and is expensive. I'm lucky to live in L.A. where the Gay and Lesbian center offers it as part of their free testing panel.

Do you have to be gay to use their services? How do you get the free test?

My last test was through my GP- when I told him I needed to be tested for "everything" he asked why. Not fun telling your doc that your girlfriend is an active TS escort. You know that shit gets recorded in the Medical Information Bureau.

[amberskyi]

Do you have to be gay to use their services? How do you get the free test?

My last test was through my GP- when I told him I needed to be tested for "everything" he asked why. Not fun telling your doc that your girlfriend is an active TS escort. You know that shit gets recorded in the Medical Information Bureau.

Or you could of just said I'm a sexually active adult who values their health.no need to offer unnecessary information

[Fancy fancy]

David,

I will take it as a compliment that you have adopted my post politely asking folk to leave Justin Bieber alone as your signature.

You may also have noticed today in the press that he has been criticised for mistreating his monkey; it seems my message has not yet cascaded to the masses.

Back to the matter in hand; my position is this - people have a duty to know their own status health-wise, and also not to put themselves and others at risk unnecessarily.

Therefore, if I was an escort, I would get tested once a month and not every six months, be safe Alyssa you lovely creature.

Relating to the girl linked to the original post, I still find it hard to believe why some guy went to see her to confirm if she would offer bareback - why not steer clear (this does admittedly not address false accusation).

Finally, if there is some very bad behaviour, I really have no problem with it being posted on this forum to warn others, though you are kind of reliant on honesty, much like wikipedia - a legal minefield potentially.........

[Fancy fancy]

A good tip also - go to a free clinic, tell them you are gay and they will give you the hepatitis injection no charge

[MdR Dave]

Or you could of just said I'm a sexually active adult who values their health.no need to offer unnecessary information

That would have been better. What can I say? I'm weak-minded once my pants come off

[MdR Dave]

David,

I will take it as a compliment that you have adopted my post politely asking folk to leave Justin Bieber alone as your signature.

You may also have noticed today in the press that he has been criticised for mistreating his monkey; it seems my message has not yet cascaded to the masses.


I'm doing what I can- but even out of context it's a great quote.

As for Bieber, I'd prescribe a night with Lil Debbie and V-Nasty. That should fix his monkey. (Not the whole White Girl Mob, though- I want Kreayshawn for my own. I love that little ghetto white girl.)


And on topic- forums should be open for these types of discussions, but there is obviously potential for abuse.

Regular testing, please, and I hope the girls are taking care of themselves.

[Genetic]

I've missed this drama as I was away for two days.

While it's out of place in the General Discussion thread, I don't see why it wouldn't be ok to have it in the Reviews section. I don't agree that rumours should be accepted as fact but there seems to be an almost one way street here on certain things; like the recent instance with Fritzie being attacked in London. She was encouraged to post details of the guy to warn other girls but then guys can't get a heads up that they may be about to come into contact with a girl who could willingly infect them with a fatal disease?

What would be wrong with someone from the forum bringing the story to the girl's attention and asking for a recent cert?

Obviously I don't know what this specific thread was about (although I'm guessing it's the one we are discussing elsewhere on the forum), but to me Prospero, it seems odd that you're taking this stance when I posted a link a few days ago to a thread where you posted a review of a girl including allegations of her having HIV. Presumably the very same girl as the one in the thread you deleted?

[Prospero]

Willingly infect is questionable. But there is clear evidence certain girls willingly offer bareback. It is fine to name and shame them for that. Draw whatever conclusions you like from that.

IMHO you'd be insane to visit a girl who offers this as standard. But some people are mad.

Regarding directly claiming an individual is HIV without proof. Well as a mod and a long term contributor to this board i don't want anyone to be given the chance to sue its owners and shut it down.

[robertlouis]

Willingly infect is questionable. But there is clear evidence certain girls willingly offer bareback. It is fine to name and shame them for that. Draw whatever conclusions you like from that.

IMHO you'd be insane to visit a girl who offers this as standard. But some people are mad.

Regarding directly claiming an individual is HIV without proof. Well as a mod and a long term contributor to this board i don't want anyone to be given the chance to sue its owners and shut it down.

:iagree: in every particular. And everyone needs to bear in mind that while the law in the internet context is still very much in its infancy, both the site owners and perhaps individual posters could be laying themselves open to litigation for libel if an aggrieved escort decided to pursue it. It's a mix of common courtesy/decency and simple pragmatism.

Consider the recent events in the UK where a conservative peer was wrongly linked to allegations of child molesting and decided to pursue those who had repeated the allegations on twitter. That action is ongoing.

It's not impossible that it could happen here.

[Westheangelino]

Do you have to be gay to use their services? How do you get the free test?

My last test was through my GP- when I told him I needed to be tested for "everything" he asked why. Not fun telling your doc that your girlfriend is an active TS escort. You know that shit gets recorded in the Medical Information Bureau.

Yes, you must not only be gay to use their services, but you must also suck some cock for the free tests.

Um, no. I'm replying very tongue in cheek here, so please don't be offended. But....how would they know you were gay or not? You simply walk into the clinic and ask for free testing (level 3 of the center). http://www.lagaycenter.org/site/PageServer?gclid=CK6uod_EtLYCFUXZQgodQHcAkQ

They will, of course, ask you about your sexual practices, but so would a general practitioner. The free test panel includes HIV (both a rapid test that tests for antibodies that will give you the result within an hour as well as a PCR/NAAT that detects the virus itself, results of which are ready in ten days and can detect infection as early as 12 days from exposure), chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis. Best part, if are infected with any of the last three, you can get free treatment there, on the spot. The staff is friendly, efficient, and awesome!

I am one of the millions and millions of uninsured Americans at the moment, but even when I have had insurance I will only go here for sexual health and will continue to do so when I have insurance again.

[EvonRose]

There was a thread running here in which it was claimed that a certain London based escort has HIV and practices bareback - presumably to spread it around. I've removed it. It is essentially a criminal libel on the escort involved and the allegation cannot be proven here so I've taken it down.

Any thoughts - without naming the girl - on this It is very easy to make this suggestion especially sheltering, as the bulk of us here do, under a pseudonym. But hugely damaging to the reputation of this escort or any escort subject to such an allegation. (it would be equally wrong to make this sort of claim about a customer).

The bottom line, repeated endlessly in posts across this forum over time, is on the individual to protect themselves - so that if in an encounter, paid for or otherwise, they choose to engage in unsafe sex then both parties do so with an adult attitude to the risk involved in this.

it is the responsibility of both parties to practice safe sex, if both engage in unprotected sex they are equally responsible if one catches the other, lots of evil people out there so protect yourself and be smart...

but some gay men practice this method called stealth breed, its when they attempt to rip condoms off and pass HIV, and have heard many ts on craigslist and back page do this to... so always make sure condom is not broken.