Husband Material

[Bigshot88]

Tops the only important thing? How bout a guy who has his shit together but likes to bottom? No? Aww. What is your expectation for a potential husband to make you give up escorting and filming profitable smut?

[RallyCola]

http://transitionvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/money1.jpg


that's all. the rest is just bonus if you have your shit together, are good looking and have a big dick.

[Prospero]

Rally -- you are almost certainly the most cynical guy here. I guess you've not yet located the soul in all your probings.

[RallyCola]

soul? me??? HA!

seriously...i am fully aware that ugly men with small penises and fat wallets are more likely to be husband material than poor dudes that can't support their wife. remember the term is 'trophy wife' because men marry a woman with looks to reflect their position in life. taken another way... for women, the term 'trophy husband' is a man with the means to afford a woman who looks hot.

i really do believe that generally, income is far more important to women when picking a mate than it will ever be to a man picks a mate.

[Chaos]

i really do believe that generally, income is far more important to women when picking a mate than it will ever be to a man picks a mate.

I have to agree....
Rare are the girls (at least here at home) that will stick around regardless of income...

[Prospero]

Actually you are probably right Rally... its in the genes really.

Here is little Bernie Ecclestone (small in stature but immensely large in fortune) and his trophy bride Slavica

[amberskyi]

This whole thread is misogynistic.
It really must suck to hate/dislike the very thing your attracted to

[Chaos]

Actually the only thing I hate is when a girl tells me I'm not what she's looking for in a relationship.......after finding out I'm not the guy that will enable her to quit working.
And I don't hate them for saying it.
If anything I feel like shit and hate myself for being so fucked up.
I mean I get it...I'm not worth very much financially.
I know not all girls are that way,but here in Pittsburgh?
It's fucking HORRIBLE.....
I dated a girl for 3 months....the second I lost my job (The store burned down),she dumped me...She told me her parents wouldn't let her date people that couldn't support her....WE WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL .... :confused:
Funny thing....She only wanted to date me because the night we met I was wearing a nice silk shirt and dress pants and she THOUGHT I had money...(It was payday..lol)
I found that out later from a mutual friend..
And it never got much better....

[Prospero]

Amber... why do you find it misogynistic? Misanthropic i can buy... since neither side emerge well from this point of view.

[amberskyi]

Neither side? So far only one side has chimed in without a single positive thing to say about woman.it's all "woman only care about money boo hoo..whine whine."
Here's my list of what i look for in a man in order of importance:
Honesty
Intelligence
Self aware
Confident
Supportive
Sexual chemistry
Humorous
Attractive
Financial security (not because i want to live off of him but because I'm not supporting a grown ass man again)

As a trans woman who works in the sex industry i have way more reasons to be jaded by the opposite sex.if i can resist being jaded and manage to keep in mind that all men aren't shit than surely you guys can do the same.

[blkmamba]

Ms bootaylicious Amber, what are you doing up so early?

[amberskyi]

Ms bootaylicious Amber, what are you doing up so early?

Stressing about life

[blkmamba]

Sorry to hear mama....what ever doesn't kill you makes you stronger...be strong

[amberskyi]

Sorry to hear mama....what ever doesn't kill you makes you stronger...be strong

If that's true I'm freaking superman lol

[Bigshot88]

Amber... why do you find it misogynistic? Misanthropic i can buy... since neither side emerge well from this point of view.

I'll admit it comes off a bit "anti-porn" and against the escorting lifestyle, mostly because I had just come off a bad experience, but it certainly has nothing to do with hating women. There's a certain "damaged goods" factor that I think is bound to affect many people on these boards, leaving each side jaded to the other. But life goes on. No sense in being bitter toward people for things they can't control about themselves. The average trans woman isn't in porn and doesn't escort, so I don't think the other guys who say it's all about money are really talking about the whole community. I think it's important not to develop any illusions that the porn star lifestyle is something one can easily just walk away from.

[Chaos]

Well I did NOT say that the only thing women care about is money.
I know some don't care at all,but the fact is,here,in my city,there are far too many girls that just want a man that will do everything so they don't have to do anything...
There are a LOT of girls that think they're entitled and above everyone else.
You think I WANT to be alone? I don't.
But what choice do I have? I make 730$...A MONTH.
I get judged the second they hear I'm on disability.
And since here,guys outnumber girls roughly 3to1...They aren't looking for Mr.Right....they're looking for Mr. Gold Card.
I WAS working 4 days a week as a bouncer until the club closed,while on disability....Then the club closed and NO ONE wanted to hire bouncers...
Especially one that's only 5'6"...when there are MUCH bigger guys,even if they had less qualifications.
Ever walked up to someone you're attracted JUST to say hi and gotten Fuck You....you can't afford me right to your face? I have. THAT'S the shit I have to overcome.....with nothing. Sure,there have been a FEW that liked me for me.....for a while. But I'm fighting an uphill battle here....against a ten ton boulder....armed with a toothpick. Why do you think I make jokes about moving away so often? Not really joking...But things won't change for me just by moving,I know that. I have TRIED going back to work since the club closed....as something other than a bouncer.....but the club was the only place I could handle working....SO....yeah....I KNOW all girls aren't like that...but HERE most of them are (in Pittsburgh).To be clear... I'm talking about GG's... Not T-girls,porn stars,escorts,or anything else.

[amberskyi]

Have i ever gotten a fuck you from a guy i thought was attractive...I'm a woman with a penis what do you think lol

[Chaos]

You know what I meant.....and you know I don't try to argue with you.
I'm just 'splainin my story...as crappy as it is...

[nysprod]

But what choice do I have? I make 730$...A MONTH.
I get judged the second they hear I'm on disability.

What are you on disability from?

[LibertyHarkness]

honesty,
Common Interests,
Looks I find attractive,
motivated,
No Drugs,
Finacially Self Sufficent, i.e they can pay their on way ...
Open in life,
Good Sex Chemistry,
Not with me for my cock only,

But then I am dating a woman ...and its the same rules for her ..

[Donkey]

First and foremost, tgirls require a big cock in any potential husband. Any other qualities fall far behind.

[LibertyHarkness]

donkey i couldnt think of anyworse than being married to a guy with a massive cock .. jeez after about 10years i would have arsehole that looks like a roadkill if i stayed pre op hahaha

[Bigshot88]

donkey i couldnt think of anyworse than being married to a guy with a massive cock .. jeez after about 10years i would have arsehole that looks like a roadkill if i stayed pre op hahaha

Is that for real? I'm less marriageable because of my BIG dick?

[Chaos]

What are you on disability from?

PTSD,Social Phobia,Anxiety,Impulse Control Issues(I get stressed and act without thinking and sometimes CAN'T control it),Severe Chronic Depression,and an "As of yet unidentified Personality Disorder".....

[bzzzay]

I can't think of why tgirls would be interested in anything other than what ggs are interested in. What kind of characteristics make a good husband for a tgirl that is unique to that situation?

[Donkey]

donkey i couldnt think of anyworse than being married to a guy with a massive cock .. jeez after about 10years i would have arsehole that looks like a roadkill if i stayed pre op hahaha
You're a different breed of tgirl, Libby. Your preference for gorgeous GG's clearly demonstrates you stray a bit from the norm.

[LibertyHarkness]

for me it would be ,,, but then what do you define as a big cock ? i would say an average cock is around 7-8inches in guys i have been around ... maybe escort clients are generally smaller around 5-6inches . the odd whopper around 9 ....

for me i would be happy with a similar size to myself about 6/7inches ... fuck having a fella with like 9inches and fat .. my poor anus would be mush after a decade....

[LibertyHarkness]

You're a different breed of tgirl, Libby. Your preference for gorgeous GG's clearly demonstrates you stray a bit from the norm.

Dont get me wrong i like men as well ....i dont really look at a persons gender ...if my gf had been a man instead of a female with the same qualities as she has , then i would be dating a man not a female ....

I am 35years old a real human being, a real person with focus etc . i dont have time for silly diva shit games etc .. top this , bottom that , moeny this etc .. been done that got the tshirt thanks ...

For me its all about a mental partner .that is suitable in the head with me .. everything else will ebb from that .. the mind is the most powerful organ in your body shame then that so many really dont engage it or use it properly but instead think with the little brain :)

And that is why I have not met a man that has been suitable as they have all been moronic or uncompatible .

[amberskyi]

for me it would be ,,, but then what do you define as a big cock ? i would say an average cock is around 7-8inches in guys i have been around ... maybe escort clients are generally smaller around 5-6inches . the odd whopper around 9 ....

for me i would be happy with a similar size to myself about 6/7inches ... fuck having a fella with like 9inches and fat .. my poor anus would be mush after a decade....

Yea, big dicks are only good for looking at.no one wants to stick that up their arse on a regular bases.
the perfect penis is average and belongs to a guy who's a master at slinging it

[Bigshot88]

Yea, big dicks are only good for looking at.no one wants to stick that up their arse on a regular bases.
the perfect penis is average and belongs to a guy who's a master at slinging it

I didn't know this was a real thing, but I guess it explains why they always want to watch me cum while jerking me rather than sticking it in. Well, "always"... by that I mean 3 encounters with ts's.

[LibertyHarkness]

see dont get me wrong i do enjoy a really big cock sometimes .. but i wouldnt want to be getting drilled out by a 9/10inch cock day in day out for 30years of my life haha fuck that ..

[Bigshot88]

see dont get me wrong i do enjoy a really big cock sometimes .. but i wouldnt want to be getting drilled out by a 9/10inch cock day in day out for 30years of my life haha fuck that ..

I dunno... I feel kind of bad about myself in ways I never have before.

[LibertyHarkness]

awwwww hugs :)

Bon Jovi - Say It Isn't So - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRSB-QZHpXM)

[Bigshot88]

Thanks, I guess no one physical trait can determine someone's destiny... I have a lot of stuff going for me that I just need to figure out how to make use of. I guess the depressing truth about this thread is that I do believe in marriage and I'm 32 freakin' years old. Time to get cracking.

[LibertyHarkness]

dude i am 35years old :) this is the first relationship I have had since 2007 when i split with my ex whom i was with for 12years .. been with my parnter 6months now :)

all good things come to those that wait :) and life choices,paths lead you to different places :)

[Janna_b]

Yea, big dicks are only good for looking at, no one wants to stick that up their arse on a regular bases. the perfect penis is average and belongs to a guy who's a master at slinging it

Standing Ovation. I couldn't agree more and would take an average sized one with skill over 10 inches any day!


see dont get me wrong i do enjoy a really big cock sometimes .. but i wouldnt want to be getting drilled out by a 9/10inch cock day in day out for 30years of my life haha fuck that ..

So true, my x was around 7-7.5 and with my smaller body that was sometimes a bit too much especially because he loved having sex twice a day and loved when we were doing doggy. I experienced 10 inches once and felt as though I was going to be split in two...damn this petite frame of mine. :D

[amberskyi]

Isn't the stereotype that skinny girls are great at taking dick

[Josh_64]

@Liberty: 8 inches is average size? Now I know my place, but I do not worry cos it s like you said, the mind that matters.

[LibertyHarkness]

josh dont forget i am used to two types of men ..

real life men and then porn studs ..... the latter being larger than real life guys generally :) as they are picked for that reason . xxx

[nysprod]

Isn't the stereotype that skinny girls are great at taking dick


Standing Ovation. I couldn't agree more and would take an average sized one with skill over 10 inches any day!

So true, my x was around 7-7.5 and with my smaller body that was sometimes a bit too much especially because he loved having sex twice a day and loved when we were doing doggy. I experienced 10 inches once and felt as though I was going to be split in two...damn this petite frame of mine. :D

I'm thinking this casual gossip would make an excellent thread...

[Janna_b]

Isn't the stereotype that skinny girls are great at taking dick

Not this skinny girl...lol. I'd take average to slightly below with proper usage any day!

[Bunzee]

#1 - you have to enjoy persons company and have chemistry
#2 - intelligence/career/looks/well of financially

if you don't have #1, rest is very difficult

[Janna_b]

Chemistry is everything, and can make up for many things you thought was important but really isn't like looks and such in the grand scheme of things.

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

Not this skinny girl...lol. I'd take average to slightly below with proper usage any day!
Hmmm.....where are you located? Maybe we should talk lol.:joke:

[Prospero]

I agree with your post in response to mine Amber. What I think Rallycola was expressing was theidea that there is a degree of biological determinism in the way that males and females choose their partners - which goes back to our more primitive roots. There is still, underneath all the feminism of the modern age, a degree of subconscious process of selection going on - the man looking for a woman who will make a good mother and homemaker, the woman selecting a mate who can protect and provide for her. Our conscious selves reject this - and look for all kinds of other qualities as you list. But underneath there are still some pretty primal urges at play.

Don't get me wrong. i think women - both the GG and the TG variety - are infinitely nicer than men most of the time.

[sheyum]

well said Prospero
I fully agree that--at the end of the day..there is indeed alot of primitive stuff that goes into picking mates. and that women (despite all social/femminist movements) do like being protected and taken care of...this is fundamental
BUT--money is not the only way to provide and protect.,
Ive NEVER made alot of money---and have never had a problem finding beautiful gfriends..
To say that all women crave rich me is cynical..and --in my experience..simply not true..

They want a MAN....but Money does not a man make.

[Tara Emory]

What would I be looking for?

1:Partner in Crime
maybe he'd shoot porn with me- far more favorable to me than a guy who would want to "own" me and make me quit porn.

2: Yes, a big penis would be nice - (see above)
3: obviously, chemistry, but knowing who I am and what I do, I would think that you'd have to meet criteria 1 and 2 to have chemistry. For example, I don't think I'm going to meet some super-Christian dude who would want to have a monagamous, non kinky relationship with me and go to church every Sunday- regardless of how the chemistry might be on his end (since all guys base chemistry on how much of an erection their partners give them), i doubt I'd ever have the same chemistry for him.

4: And about $??. It's not simply about 'having money", because how you have money or don't have money says a lot about your potential and your future.

Having grown up very poor, I will have to say that having money means not having to worry about a lot of things. Most people who say "money isn't everything" don't know what ramen noodles taste like or have not been in a situation where they have to drive to work in an uninsured car with a broken taillight they don't have the money to fix- which attracts the attention of the police, leading to tickets and fines, making one more poor.

I'm not saying the above scenario has actually happened to me, but poverty has a way of compounding poverty, and people who are fairly privilidged really don't quite understand that.

That said, as much as I enjoy being "spoiled" and all that nonsense, (with shoes and purses and blah de blah), a man who has money and a good income and is reasonably out of debt mean to me that he "has his shit together", vs someone who has 100grand of student loans, and drifts from job to job and will likely be a liability to have as a partner.

However, growing up poor, I can't quite get over a certain level of comtempt for those are born rich, or are trust fund babies (though if i were in that position, I would use every advantage given to me). And that's me. I dunno. Maybe I'm privilidged too when you come to think of it. As Americans, we're all privilidged compared to if you just happened to have been born in a third world country.

So for me, if a man or woman is a potential partner, their financial situation with careful consideration the context of how they got where they are today is sorta important, because my goals in life are simple:

I want to be happy, and successful, and do what I do and love what I do. maybe my best partner is female, maybe it's male. Who knows, as I'm very bi and I'm open to all sorts of things. But a partner has to be on the same page as my goals, so if a guy wants me to drop what I'm doing and go be his trophy wife- even for all the money in the world that's not going to happen (unless, I suppose, i was still able to have everything i enjoy in life now).

I know that's complicated, but I'm not simple either.

_Tara

[DonnyG]

Neither side? So far only one side has chimed in without a single positive thing to say about woman.it's all "woman only care about money boo hoo..whine whine."
Here's my list of what i look for in a man in order of importance:
Honesty
Intelligence
Self aware
Confident
Supportive
Sexual chemistry
Humorous
Attractive
Financial security (not because i want to live off of him but because I'm not supporting a grown ass man again)

As a trans woman who works in the sex industry i have way more reasons to be jaded by the opposite sex.if i can resist being jaded and manage to keep in mind that all men aren't shit than surely you guys can do the same.
Awe Amber.......I love the truth & love you honesty but the facts speak for themselves. Someone who thinks as you do is few and far between. But I truly believe and support your position because it's what I look for as well. CHEMISTRY & HONESTY ARE PARAMOUNT!

[Tara Emory]

Oh, and good looking young (but probably dim) beefcake guys? For me, they're completely out of the equation (though I guess they'd make good slaves/subs/porn costars), mostly because they are probably so horny all the time that they're screwing a different girl or boy every weekend, which yeah.. I'm always horny too, but I'm past that point in my life where I'm going to sneak around behind someone's back and do stuff on the DL.

[DonnyG]

Falling in love and staying love...isn't that what life is all about?

[Tara Emory]

Obvioiusly intelligence is very important.

You don't need to be a particle physicist, but if you watch too much sports, think Monty Python is "lame", don't understand what's awesome about old Doctor Who, and you think we faked the moon landing, then I guarantee the relationship is going to go nowhere, no matter how you look or how big your cock it or how much money you have.


-Tara

[DonnyG]

Tara when are we going out? LOL

[LibertyHarkness]

Falling in love and staying love...isn't that what life is all about?


I always though Conan had the right idea of what life is all about ... how life would be much simpler :)

Conan - What is Best in Life - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9buo9Mtos)

[Chaos]

Obvioiusly intelligence is very important.

You don't need to be a particle physicist, but if you watch too much sports, think Monty Python is "lame", don't understand what's awesome about old Doctor Who, and you think we faked the moon landing, then I guarantee the relationship is going to go nowhere, no matter how you look or how big your cock it or how much money you have.


-Tara

Well I'm not a physicist,but I was a machinist making precision parts,and despite acting dumb I am actually somewhat intelligent....I LOVE Monty Python!!! It's not that I don't GET Dr.Who,I just never really had the chance to watch it,and that's way too much money spent for a fake moon landing...I think I look average (hopefully),that's also average,and then...there's very little money..D'OH! See the thing is I DO have something to offer girls..but let's face it NO ONE will ever see me as a husband....dates,sure...there isn't the pressure to be stable as much there....Who doesn't want stability? Don't get me wrong, I believe it takes more than money,but having enough money to live a normal life? That is the only part I can't do....and while it's not the only thing it is usually enough to make someone think twice,and in my neck of the woods when a girl has second thoughts....it's too late. This is MY experience and in NO WAY should be taken as how I think EVERYTHING works ALL the time.

[Tara Emory]

Falling in love and staying love...isn't that what life is all about?

Sadly throughout most of recorded history, love has been a very small part of the equation. hundreds of years ago for every "great love" there were far more situations where a guy saw a girl he thought was attractive, wooed her, married her and got her pregnant during the first time they had sex.

The wife would end up raising the child or children, they themselves would stop having sex because seriously, how many kids can you support in 16th century Holland?, and he'd probably go screw prostitutes down by the docks and get syphillis.

the great romantic stories about star crossed lovers are only a romantic fiction. Heck, from what I remember about Wuthering Heights, it was pretty much basically rape and abusive co-dependencey and godknows what else.

The primary urge of a hetero man is to fuck as many women as possible in order to spread his seed around, therefore ensuring his DNA becomes dominant. The primary urge in a hetero women is that if they have that inevitiable baby, they need to keep that man around to support the family, and somehow keep him from sticking his dick in other places (usually without success, which is why I have accepted that All Men Cheat. sooner or later. Best option is for the wife to accept or support it..)

Women today have the luxury of birth control, and let's be honest, transsexuals didn't exist 100 years ago, so now there's this new option for guys who want girlfriends with holes AND penises and bonus- no babies!

Which sorta leads me to believe that any man who is seriously considering a TS for a lifetime relationship is either a: delusional or b:actually sincere and spent a lifetime searching to finally realize that's what they want. Which sorta means that young handsome guys are off the table becuase they'll probably decide they want pussy and kids eventually.

Now if the guy is mostly sexually gay then it might work. Or if they are legitimately only into trannies.. And actually for some of those guys, the reason they are into trannies is when the trannies are hyper feminine, like even MORE feminine than most girls ever are, yet they aren't afraid to change the spark plugs on their car. And trannies are often about as horny as guys are, so they can keep up with the guy's need to fuck ALL the time.

-Tara

[Tara Emory]

but in a nutshell and all whining beside- what I would want in any partner is simply this:

Someone who gives me hope for the future and makes me want to be a better person.

All, sex, fun, career goals, financial concerns aside, if someone makes those things happen, then usually the other things fall into place.

But I'm not 100% certain that a person can't overcome their own lonliness and give themselves the hope to be a better person and their own future. It seems like the entire Valentine card and chocolate industry is dependent on people thinking that if they just get themselves the right boyfriend or right girlfriend, then everything will work out fine.

Tara

[RallyCola]

going by what you all are saying, i'm the perfect man for all of you because i'm awesome.

[DonnyG]

I always though Conan had the right idea of what life is all about ... how life would be much simpler :)

Conan - What is Best in Life - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9buo9Mtos)
Wow Liberty you are special aren't you...LOL....Now I have to wish I'm Arnold? Oh Fuck lost again.....Just when I thought I had it figured out...Guess I'll never learn unless I go out on a date with Liberty Harkness perhaps.......But first I need to pillage and rape the next village see you fortnight.

[undercvrslut]

Tara thanks for sharing your thoughts. Its so accurate.........it makes me want you :kiss:

[robertlouis]

I know this thread is for the girls, but I certainly wouldn't want someone whose primary interest in me was built around my bank balance or my dick.

If you're courteous, a good listener and empathetic to your partner's needs, then after the initial attraction, which is primarily and primevally based on physical appearance, these are the key ingredients to form the basis of a longer-term relationship. Add mutual trust, a spirit of romance, and the ability to compromise and you've just about got all you need.

And I'm sorry guys, but avatars that show your dick just seem bizarre to me - unless you're only interested in a dick-crazy golddigger and a superficial relationship based entirely on sex, that is. And if your response is that that is what you're after, then we're talking about two totally different things.

[Amber Littlefeather]

Hey Everyone....As a girl who dates guys, gg's and tgirls I have had not the best of luck in finding the one :'( ...But I have hopes for the future...For me middle of the road type person will do for me...love would be nice... lust is great and lot of fun but that does not seem to last in my case...as guys go i like bigger muscle guys the most...As in the package a lager guy can be fun but not every day average is the way to go for the long term for me. as well...xo Amber Littlefeather

[bluesoul]

You're a different breed of tgirl, Libby. Your preference for gorgeous GG's clearly demonstrates you stray a bit from the norm.

yeah- like, you definitely have to be different to even consider an attractive gg do-able? twilight zone shit right there

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

Sadly throughout most of recorded history, love has been a very small part of the equation. hundreds of years ago for every "great love" there were far more situations where a guy saw a girl he thought was attractive, wooed her, married her and got her pregnant during the first time they had sex.

The wife would end up raising the child or children, they themselves would stop having sex because seriously, how many kids can you support in 16th century Holland?, and he'd probably go screw prostitutes down by the docks and get syphillis.

the great romantic stories about star crossed lovers are only a romantic fiction. Heck, from what I remember about Wuthering Heights, it was pretty much basically rape and abusive co-dependencey and godknows what else.

The primary urge of a hetero man is to fuck as many women as possible in order to spread his seed around, therefore ensuring his DNA becomes dominant. The primary urge in a hetero women is that if they have that inevitiable baby, they need to keep that man around to support the family, and somehow keep him from sticking his dick in other places (usually without success, which is why I have accepted that All Men Cheat. sooner or later. Best option is for the wife to accept or support it..)

Women today have the luxury of birth control, and let's be honest, transsexuals didn't exist 100 years ago, so now there's this new option for guys who want girlfriends with holes AND penises and bonus- no babies!

Which sorta leads me to believe that any man who is seriously considering a TS for a lifetime relationship is either a: delusional or b:actually sincere and spent a lifetime searching to finally realize that's what they want. Which sorta means that young handsome guys are off the table becuase they'll probably decide they want pussy and kids eventually.

Now if the guy is mostly sexually gay then it might work. Or if they are legitimately only into trannies.. And actually for some of those guys, the reason they are into trannies is when the trannies are hyper feminine, like even MORE feminine than most girls ever are, yet they aren't afraid to change the spark plugs on their car. And trannies are often about as horny as guys are, so they can keep up with the guy's need to fuck ALL the time.

-Tara
You pretty much described me in this statement. I don't want children and realized in my late teens that I'm highly aroused by TS/TG women because of their hyper femininity and concluded that yes I want to be with a TG/TS woman as my partner. As far as the cheating part of it goes I'd like to think that as long as you have a partner who is sexually adventuresome and has a high sex drive why would you stray? If you keep it interesting & in your case with all your different looks and your fetishes I would think a guy who got with you would feel like he's having sex with a different partner all the time thus not having or feeling the need to wander plus if he showed interest and partook in your photo shoots I'm sure that part of your lives would be VERY kinky and mutually satisfying. I know there's more to it than just the sex and there has to be chemistry on the intellectual level as well ( I LOVE Monty Python btw.....must be my British ancestry lol ). As far as your comment that transsexuals didn't exist 100 years ago, I think that's open to debate. Yes there weren't any who has SRS/GRS but if there were gay men back then I'm sure there were transsexuals they just weren't allowed to express/explore those feelings because of societal pressures maybe it only got as far as them cross-dressing to fulfill their urges but to live their life as a full time women......well that might have happened too but most likely those feelings had to be repressed because it would not have been accepted in that time period.

[sosed]

Sadly throughout most of recorded history, love has been a very small part of the equation. hundreds of years ago for every "great love" there were far more situations where a guy saw a girl he thought was attractive, wooed her, married her and got her pregnant during the first time they had sex.

The wife would end up raising the child or children, they themselves would stop having sex because seriously, how many kids can you support in 16th century Holland?, and he'd probably go screw prostitutes down by the docks and get syphillis.

the great romantic stories about star crossed lovers are only a romantic fiction. Heck, from what I remember about Wuthering Heights, it was pretty much basically rape and abusive co-dependencey and godknows what else.

The primary urge of a hetero man is to fuck as many women as possible in order to spread his seed around, therefore ensuring his DNA becomes dominant. The primary urge in a hetero women is that if they have that inevitiable baby, they need to keep that man around to support the family, and somehow keep him from sticking his dick in other places (usually without success, which is why I have accepted that All Men Cheat. sooner or later. Best option is for the wife to accept or support it..)

Women today have the luxury of birth control, and let's be honest, transsexuals didn't exist 100 years ago, so now there's this new option for guys who want girlfriends with holes AND penises and bonus- no babies!

Which sorta leads me to believe that any man who is seriously considering a TS for a lifetime relationship is either a: delusional or b:actually sincere and spent a lifetime searching to finally realize that's what they want. Which sorta means that young handsome guys are off the table becuase they'll probably decide they want pussy and kids eventually.

Now if the guy is mostly sexually gay then it might work. Or if they are legitimately only into trannies.. And actually for some of those guys, the reason they are into trannies is when the trannies are hyper feminine, like even MORE feminine than most girls ever are, yet they aren't afraid to change the spark plugs on their car. And trannies are often about as horny as guys are, so they can keep up with the guy's need to fuck ALL the time.

-Tara

I don't know for christian Europe, but in oriental cultures, they have vaginal sex only to make children, but for pleasure they practice anal sex. In ancient times priestesses also practice anal sex to avoid getting pregnant.

Transsexuals were always present in human history. There were well known Goddess Cybele priestesses, who were in Roman time called Gallae, who were born male, but live their life as woman in temples. If you look on ancient Greek and Roman art, how they represent Hermaphroditus, you will see beautiful ancient tgirls.

[fred41]

I WAS working 4 days a week as a bouncer until the club closed,while on disability....Then the club closed and NO ONE wanted to hire bouncers...
Especially one that's only 5'6"...when there are MUCH bigger guys,even if they had less qualifications.


Okay Chaos...I gotta ask:
If your only 5'6" with no prior LE experience and a host of emotional problems, what are your qualifications for being a bouncer?
Are you licensed?
I'm not trying to be an ass, but clubs here in N.Y.C.have learned (sometimes the hard way)..that when hiring security for a club,they should hire licensed professionals.

[Chaos]

We don't have licenses here in PA that I'm aware of.
13 years of Tae Kwon Do.
5 years of Kickboxing.
Unlike some of the other bouncers I worked with I didn't give people second chances....one fuck up got you tossed.
Also,a high threshold for pain gave me the ability to get back to work faster than the other guys....When they got bloody (and it has happened)they needed time off...I went right back to work. Oh the stories I have....good times...indeed!
I am also verbally intimidating (in person not text lol) when you upset me....
We had one guy that if you didn't listen,he'd choke you and toss you...
Me, I'd just start talking...Let's just say....graphically...MOST didn't want to stick around to find out if I was as crazy as I talked. (which I'm not)
The girls LOVED me...when a guy bothered them he disappeared....none of that "Go to a different room and everything is fine" bullshit....I threw them out.
My "issues" actually helped me be a better bouncer to tell the truth.

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

I don't know for christian Europe, but in oriental cultures, they have vaginal sex only to make children, but for pleasure they practice anal sex. In ancient times priestesses also practice anal sex to avoid getting pregnant.

Transsexuals were always present in human history. There were well known Goddess Cybele priestesses, who were in Roman time called Gallae, who were born male, but live their life as woman in temples. If you look on ancient Greek and Roman art, how they represent Hermaphroditus, you will see beautiful ancient tgirls.

Yea I wasn't going back as far as you lol. Tara referenced "100 years ago" so I was talking more along the lines of Edwardian times when society was very prim & proper (especially English society with their focus on class of society in particular "upper" class). Now ancient Roman/Greek era I definitely could see transsexuals with all the debauchery going on then!

[fred41]

We don't have licenses here in PA that I'm aware of.


It would be something like this:
http://security-license.com/licensing/pennsylvania/142-pennsylvania-unarmed-security-guard-licensing-requirements

[Yeah]

I wished women around here went for a guy based on his honesty, respect, smarts, supportiveness, and financial means, but unfortunately they don't. They go for guys that are crazy, exciting, badboy, sexist, and typically broke and wonder why their relationship sucks, I hear it all the time. They say they want stability and respect, but won't date a guy that is decent. It makes no sense. Its like watching a train wreck. I have a friend thats followed this pattern for ten years and knows she is dating these type of guys, but keeps doing it and I asked her why and she said, "I don't know"

[Merkurie]

I always though Conan had the right idea of what life is all about ... how life would be much simpler :)

Conan - What is Best in Life - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9buo9Mtos)

He forgot to "castrate their sons and make them concubines".
Since we are going all Dark Ages and shit.

[Dino Velvet]

We don't have licenses here in PA that I'm aware of.

I worked in California and Texas. In Texas I had to get licensed but I brought my unlicensed California enforcement policies not realizing they didn't take the drinking laws in Texas seriously.

My security resume was always my failed Psych Test from the LA County Sheriff's Dept. Never had a problem finding employment as a doorman.

[fred41]

I worked in California and Texas. In Texas I had to get licensed but I brought my unlicensed California enforcement policies not realizing they didn't take the drinking laws in Texas seriously.

My security resume was always my failed Psych Test from the LA County Sheriff's Dept. Never had a problem finding employment as a doorman.

If a club hires Chaos to work the door and a patron gets hurt during an ejection and sues...and it comes out in civil court that the club hired someone on disability for psychological reasons...I'm gonna guess that club is in deep, deep shit.

[Dino Velvet]

If a club hires Chaos to work the door and a patron gets hurt during an ejection and sues...and it comes out in civil court that the club hired someone on disability for psychological reasons...I'm gonna guess that club is in deep, deep shit.

I guess if his GM wrote his condition down on his application with red ink and a thumbs up it might be a touch damning in Civil Court. Chaos would need to show his head is riddled with chaos so order isn't brought down upon him too.

[fred41]

I guess if his GM wrote his condition down on his application with red ink and a thumbs up it might be a touch damning in Civil Court. Chaos would need to show his head is riddled with chaos so order isn't brought down upon him too.

lol...great way with words!


Chaos would actually be safe though...he has no money for a plaintiff to go after.


This case :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Imette_St._Guillen..and others like it, was instrumental in changing the hiring of bouncers here in N.Y...I'm sure lots of clubs still play the odds though.

[fred41]

..sorry..remove the "and" from the URL.

[Chaos]

Actually, I was never the doorman,except when our regular doorman was late or sick.
And MY policy was never touch anyone unless absolutely necessary.
I had plenty of altercations,not one of them got me in trouble.
I always hit last...also,it helped that the cops we had there were always on my side...
I've had shattered teeth,a fractured voice box,I've been bitten and even taken beer bottles and glasses to the head and body.
I enjoyed every minute of it...
And I could get certified...BUT I wouldn't NEED to...
I only need to if I go into a private security firm...they mostly do Loss Prevention here,not clubs.
Though there is one group that does,but they're not exactly truly legit....
They confiscate contraband....then sell it back.
They made it REALLY hard to do my job on the nights I had to work with them.
(Try keeping drugs out of a club where the bouncers sell it right back...)
And of course,if I threw out people they knew,well,it was usually an argument between me and a 6'8" halfwit...(their boss)
But,even that mostly ended well....I had the owner of the club on my side...

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

I wished women around here went for a guy based on his honesty, respect, smarts, supportiveness, and financial means, but unfortunately they don't. They go for guys that are crazy, exciting, badboy, sexist, and typically broke and wonder why their relationship sucks, I hear it all the time. They say they want stability and respect, but won't date a guy that is decent. It makes no sense. Its like watching a train wreck. I have a friend thats followed this pattern for ten years and knows she is dating these type of guys, but keeps doing it and I asked her why and she said, "I don't know"
It's because women think they can "change" them. They see it as a challenge and always seem to think they'll be the "one" who reformed him.

[Yeah]

It's because women think they can "change" them. They see it as a challenge and always seem to think they'll be the "one" who reformed him.

I see your point. But the girl ive know for ten year who has been dating these types of guys is so she can fix them? She hasnt fix any of them. She says to me why cant these guys be more like you; stable and respectful. I tell her that i am who i am and those guys wont change and cant be fixed. Shes currently with an idiot who she has tried to change and has broke up with at least 30 times. She has a kid with the guy. I did ask why she keeps going back and i got the i dont know answer. Makes no sense

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

I see your point. But the girl ive know for ten year who has been dating these types of guys is so she can fix them? She hasnt fix any of them. She says to me why cant these guys be more like you; stable and respectful. I tell her that i am who i am and those guys wont change and cant be fixed. Shes currently with an idiot who she has tried to change and has broke up with at least 30 times. She has a kid with the guy. I did ask why she keeps going back and i got the i dont know answer. Makes no sense
I said they "think" they can fix them I didn't say that they actually could but that they sure were going to try. She probably has some "Daddy" issues & the guy probably has some of her Dad's traits. My sister swore up & down she'd NEVER marry a guy like our Dad...........guess what happened? As for your statement about nice guys finishing last you're right..........we do. Women always seem to chase after or end up with douchebags.

[amberskyi]

I find that "nice guys" tend to be push overs and have submissive personalities.
I'm hoping to find a guy who actually is nice but still has his masculinity and dominate personality.
I feel like I'm better off waiting to see if i get super powers lol

[Dino Velvet]

I feel like I'm better off waiting to see if i get super powers lol


Agreed. Amber, one day I hope you marry a "nice guy". Assholes are the dime a dozen.

[Yeah]

I find that "nice guys" tend to be push overs and have submissive personalities.
I'm hoping to find a guy who actually is nice but still has his masculinity and dominate personality.
I feel like I'm better off waiting to see if i get super powers lol

You right Amber. You will have more luck running into a radioactive spider or gamma rays than a nice guy thats truely dominate. Ive had the nice guy curse all my life, but never had a dominate personality. I do manly things, but never seek out conflicts. For example, one time i was head over heels for a girl, but she thought i was a wuss. She told me i needed to be more assertive with poeple, but not with her. She like my nice guy qualities, but in her eyes, i wasnt manly enough for her, I didnt seek out conflicts or fight people at a drop of a hat. Unforrunately for her she found a guy more manly, who demeans her and call her his old lady in front of others, basically an asshole. I guess if doing things she wants to do and treating her with respect made me weak in her eyes, oh well. I cant stop being a nice guy, and an asshole guy can never become a nice guy. Boy i rambled on too much.

[Yeah]

I said they "think" they can fix them I didn't say that they actually could but that they sure were going to try. She probably has some "Daddy" issues & the guy probably has some of her Dad's traits. My sister swore up & down she'd NEVER marry a guy like our Dad...........guess what happened? As for your statement about nice guys finishing last you're right..........we do. Women always seem to chase after or end up with douchebags.

Yeah the guy has a few traits of her dad, mostly looks. Her dad is a fairly decent guy. He works does things with grand kids always nice and will to talk to most people. I think she moves from one idiot to another is she saw her mom do it to her dad. As far as the nice guy curse, I agree. A lot of woman view nice as weak and not manly. The girl i mentioned about saw me this way.

[Dino Velvet]

My Grandparents were from Russia. My Grandfather was beyond masculine and dominate. One day another old woman remarked at my Grandmother's arm politely asking what happened. My Grandmother smiled and cleverly responded, "Yes. But this time not in face."

Don't end up with a character like this.

[Bigshot88]

I find that "nice guys" tend to be push overs and have submissive personalities.
I'm hoping to find a guy who actually is nice but still has his masculinity and dominate personality.
I feel like I'm better off waiting to see if i get super powers lol

yeah, you deserve a real inconsiderate fucking dickhead who makes your dreams come true.

[SpoogeMonkey]

girls say they want stuff, but really they want a total cunt who will slap them around a bit and totally dominate them. if they have a bit of cash, great as long as its used on them. this is even more relevant if they have a strong income which they can obliterate on tanning, make up, hair and all that bullshit they think they have to cover themselves in. blokes, real blokes dont actually want that, youve been brainwashed by kim Retardashian.. you pretend shes a fake cunt but youll sit there preening over the miles of shit her and her putrid press friends regurgitate into the press.. in britain its that whore jordan, or some welsh bint.

women, you are sexy all the time, you dont need to spend cash to cover yourself in some fucktard celebrity piss water, or cake yourself in their cashfudge.

wake up and stop being led by these rimfucks.. we men just want a nice clean smell., good long hair and some cheeky cleavage.

[Dino Velvet]

Stay away from The Ultimate Warrior too.

Ultimate Warrior UConn Presentation - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtACJ6RNCno)

[sheyum]

Tara thanks for sharing your thoughts. Its so accurate.........it makes me want you :kiss:

i had the SAMR reaction--seriously-=--that post of Tara's did it for me

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

I find that "nice guys" tend to be push overs and have submissive personalities.
I'm hoping to find a guy who actually is nice but still has his masculinity and dominate personality.
I feel like I'm better off waiting to see if i get super powers lol
Maybe you should rephrase that as in: "I find that the "nice guys" that I've met tend to be push overs and have submissive personalities" as I'm sure you're not a psychiatrist or psychologist and that's a pretty broad statement to make about ALL nice guys. I was brought up to respect and treat women right ( I guess that's my mother's fault ) but I hardly think I'm submissive or a push over. I guess I need to treat women like shit in order not to be perceived as a "push over" but I see too many Ed Hardy t-shirt wearing douchebags already doing that so why be another dickhead? Oh and it's dominant personality not dominate.

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

yeah, you deserve a real inconsiderate fucking dickhead who makes your dreams come true.
:dead:

[RallyCola]

...Assholes are the dime a dozen.

so are cunty women that think they deserve more than they do...in fact, i wouldn't even give a dime for a dozen of these women.

please don't dump on guys who are assholes. for every asshole guy, there are 2 women that would love to have him treat them like shit. for every cunty woman, there are 2 guys that would love to be walked all over and cuckolded by them.

the fact is that for every personality, there is a match out there. when i hear the statement that nice guys finish last OR that assholes do better with women...I call bullshit. a nice guy is just looking in the wrong pool of women for a mate if he is competing against assholes for their attention. you have to know your audience and your positive attributes and shortcomings to attract the appropriate mate.

as a man with ridiculously high standards for a mate, i've never had any issues finding a girl to date and eventually marry. my point is...if you are having issues, it really reflects on you, your self-image, your standards/the pool of women you choose to address and your approach.

[amberskyi]

It's kinda funny that you all associate dominance with being an asshole.yes assholes can be dominate but they can also be passive aggressive twats too.
I genuinely want a good guy but one that exhibits traits i find masculine (and no seeking out conflicts isn't one of them).

[amberskyi]

yeah, you deserve a real inconsiderate fucking dickhead who makes your dreams come true.

LOL Why so hostile boo, couldn't find anyone to bend you over today??

[RallyCola]

It's kinda funny that you all associate dominance with being an asshole.yes assholes can be dominate but they can also be passive aggressive twats too.
I genuinely want a good guy but one that exhibits traits i find masculine (and no seeking out conflicts isn't one of them).

dominance, being an asshole and masculinity are all different things. being an asshole just means that you are irritating and annoying and that you can be insensitive, contemptible and possibly offensive.

there are dominant nice guys, there are sissy assholes. as i said...there is a match for every personality.

[Dino Velvet]

It's kinda funny that you all associate dominance with being an asshole.yes assholes can be dominate but they can also be passive aggressive twats too.

I guess. Ladies end up with too many assholes. A pansy can be just as annoying, I guess. Good luck, Amber. I really hope you find what and who you are looking for.

[Dino Velvet]

so are cunty women that think they deserve more than they do...in fact, i wouldn't even give a dime for a dozen of these women.

please don't dump on guys who are assholes. for every asshole guy, there are 2 women that would love to have him treat them like shit. for every cunty woman, there are 2 guys that would love to be walked all over and cuckolded by them.

the fact is that for every personality, there is a match out there. when i hear the statement that nice guys finish last OR that assholes do better with women...I call bullshit. a nice guy is just looking in the wrong pool of women for a mate if he is competing against assholes for their attention. you have to know your audience and your positive attributes and shortcomings to attract the appropriate mate.

as a man with ridiculously high standards for a mate, i've never had any issues finding a girl to date and eventually marry. my point is...if you are having issues, it really reflects on you, your self-image, your standards/the pool of women you choose to address and your approach.

I enjoy being nice to women. I was an asshole in my 20s and got rewarded for plenty of bad behavior. I don't want to be like that anymore even if I get less quantity. Not sure if I'd even want a woman who would respond to that anymore. If I ran into a cunty woman that thinks she deserves more than she does I wouldn't give her the time of day either. Hopefully water seeks its own level and finds it too.

[robertlouis]

Maybe you should rephrase that as in: "I find that the "nice guys" that I've met tend to be push overs and have submissive personalities" as I'm sure you're not a psychiatrist or psychologist and that's a pretty broad statement to make about ALL nice guys. I was brought up to respect and treat women right ( I guess that's my mother's fault ) but I hardly think I'm submissive or a push over. I guess I need to treat women like shit in order not to be perceived as a "push over" but I see too many Ed Hardy t-shirt wearing douchebags already doing that so why be another dickhead? Oh and it's dominant personality not dominate.

:iagree: And I don't often disagree with Amber. I'm the same as you. "Nice guy" should never be a negative. In my book it means being considerate, polite and respectful. And I'm certainly not submissive - Leos never are!

[Janna_b]

I genuinely want a good guy but one that exhibits traits i find masculine (and no seeking out conflicts isn't one of them).

I am attracted to the same, a man who knows the difference between confidence and aggressiveness.

[Tara Emory]

I don't know for christian Europe, but in oriental cultures, they have vaginal sex only to make children, but for pleasure they practice anal sex. In ancient times priestesses also practice anal sex to avoid getting pregnant.

Transsexuals were always present in human history. There were well known Goddess Cybele priestesses, who were in Roman time called Gallae, who were born male, but live their life as woman in temples. If you look on ancient Greek and Roman art, how they represent Hermaphroditus, you will see beautiful ancient tgirls.

Okay, let me clarify- Transsexuals and intersexed people were always present in history, but it's only in the past 50 years that there really has been hormone replacement therapy, breast implants and plastic surgery. Those options were virtually non existant 100 years ago, and the cases of transsexuals in history were extremely rare.

I'm not saying that there were people who would have transitioned if they could. I'm certain that there were many who would've if they could've.

And it certainly wasn't a thing where it was a dating option for a common man.

tara

[Merkurie]

No hormones, but their was castration, voluntary and involuntary. No doubt priests and nobles had access to them.

[Prospero]

It's dominant, not dominate! Dominant men (or women) dominate people. They are not dominate. Domination is when dominant people dominate submissive or weaker people.

I love the way long threads mutate into all manner of side discussions. Like how qualified you need to be to work as a bouncer.

[sosed]

Okay, let me clarify- Transsexuals and intersexed people were always present in history, but it's only in the past 50 years that there really has been hormone replacement therapy, breast implants and plastic surgery. Those options were virtually non existant 100 years ago, and the cases of transsexuals in history were extremely rare.

I'm not saying that there were people who would have transitioned if they could. I'm certain that there were many who would've if they could've.

And it certainly wasn't a thing where it was a dating option for a common man.

tara

I agree with you for medicine 100 years ago, because in mid ages medicine was thrown back in stone age. But this was not true for ancient times. In ancient Egypt they know for hormone therapy (meant for women in menopause) and in ancient times there was very highly developed plastic surgery (ancient Greece and Rome). Also they know, if male is castrated prior puberty, body developed more feminine form.

Transexuals were in ancient times connected with Mother Goddess worship and until goddess cult was present, transexuals were accepted and recognized in society as priestesses.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I found mine lol

[bluesoul]

I don't know for christian Europe, but in oriental cultures, they have vaginal sex only to make children, but for pleasure they practice anal sex. In ancient times priestesses also practice anal sex to avoid getting pregnant.

Transsexuals were always present in human history. There were well known Goddess Cybele priestesses, who were in Roman time called Gallae, who were born male, but live their life as woman in temples. If you look on ancient Greek and Roman art, how they represent Hermaphroditus, you will see beautiful ancient tgirls.

i don't think they lived as transsexuals. they lived as eunuchs and this was done to show their strict belief in whatever practice of servitude they were in

shout-outs to the eunuchs on hung-angels and world wide though. y'all are no longer hanging loose

[Michelle.]

Big cock, big heart, big bucks.

[sosed]

i don't think they lived as transsexuals. they lived as eunuchs and this was done to show their strict belief in whatever practice of servitude they were in

shout-outs to the eunuchs on hung-angels and world wide though. y'all are no longer hanging loose

In ancient times all non productive man and woman are associated with third gender. Non productive males, who are third gender (Egyptian hieroglyph is penis without cumshot) are usually translated as eunuchs. But usual eunuchs still live their lifes as males like servants of kings or body guards, but Gallae priestesses dress themselves and live their lives as females in temples of goddess and in sex they practice only receiving anal sex. Roman sources said, that those priestesses were called by goddess herself to serve her as priestesses and were not males forced into it and that Roman males fear if goddess will call them. Being called by goddess, could be now understood as being transsexual