The European Union makes moves to ban all porn

[Tyler___Durden]

No bullshit.The EUSSR is pushing through measures which will
be imposed on European countries to ban porn.
That includes Hung Angels.
MEPs to vote next week on EU 'ban on all forms of pornography' including censorship of the internet in a bid to "eliminate gender stereotypes" that demean women. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9917189/MEPs-to-vote-on-EU-ban-on-all-forms-of-pornography.html)
While not legally binding, the vote could be the first step towards European legislation
as the EU's assembly increasingly flexes its political muscle within Europe's institutions.
The EU are a bunch of commi bastards...
I hate the EU.
They are going to cause a civil war across Europe.
Not over porn, obviously.
But by their continual roll-out of a Europe wide dictatorship.

[Bribi]

Yeah, and you're just a f-ing nationalist
It's not because a few people in Europe decides something that Europe is bastard and a war should start against Europe
Wars are already stupid, but imagine a war for porn? God your ideas are awful

[MrsKellyPierce]

How silly, most women make tons of money off this

[LibertyHarkness]

Hahaha see that one sticking lol

[Merkurie]

The EU is led by the best and brightest of Europe.
Surely, they should know what is best.
Take a pill and go back to sleep.
There is a new iPhone coming out.

[Tyler___Durden]

Yeah, and you're just a f-ing nationalist
It's not because a few people in Europe decides something that Europe is bastard and a war should start against Europe
Wars are already stupid, but imagine a war for porn? God your ideas are awful
What the fuck?
I was using this as an example of the European Union forcing laws on people.
There will be a civil war, not over porn but about the imposition of laws made by the EU.
I said that in my OP.

Try reading it again.

[Yeah]

It would hard to see them banning porn. Heck they allow certain types of porn there that isn't legal here.

[bluesoul]

How silly, most women make tons of money off this

yeah- and sometimes when the women aren't looking men make money off this too.

[Genetic]

Yeah, and you're just a f-ing nationalist
It's not because a few people in Europe decides something that Europe is bastard and a war should start against Europe
Wars are already stupid, but imagine a war for porn? God your ideas are awful

Lol, this forum get's more crazy by the day. How is it nationalism to say that the EU makes laws and forces them on countries? They actually do that. And Tyler is completely right in saying that it is causing massive resentment between countries.

No it won't end in war over porn, but there is huge friction between the UK and France already over fishing rights for example and there are other countries similarly at odds with each other. Hell the UK is looking at leaving the EU already so all it would take is one more ridiculous law to essentially trigger some sort of open hostility.

[tao1kiku]

Hmmm, banning porn. Much like the "war on drugs", lots of progress on that now isn't there?

It's a motion/vote to appease some groups that are vocal, nothing will come of it

[leckery5]

Yeah this will go over real well in Amsterdam where porn is live in the flesh 24/7! This won't happen.

[SammiValentine]

Yeah, and you're just a f-ing nationalist
It's not because a few people in Europe decides something that Europe is bastard and a war should start against Europe
Wars are already stupid, but imagine a war for porn? God your ideas are awful


Wakey wakey!

http://fullfact.org/factchecks/proportion_of_uk_law_made_by_eu-3073

[SammiValentine]

Pretty sure it will break their own human rights act 1999, "the higher type of law" lolz..

[robertlouis]

Personally I'd rather see the effing coalition thrown out on their arses first, then see some genuine growth back in the economy and less pressure and scumbagging of the poor.

Then we'll tackle porn. Priorities boys and girls, priorities.

[SammiValentine]

Personally I'd rather see the effing coalition thrown out on their arses first, then see some genuine growth back in the economy and less pressure and scumbagging of the poor.

Then we'll tackle porn. Priorities boys and girls, priorities.

Its like swapping cow pat for horse shit. Just depends on your preference in animal scat.

The country is crying out for a lefty party. New Labour is a farce, yet the unions are still their biggest sponsors based on last election figures. Will anyone ever have the balls to do anything?

[robertlouis]

Its like swapping cow pat for horse shit. Just depends on your preference in animal scat.

The country is crying out for a lefty party. New Labour is a farce, yet the unions are still their biggest sponsors based on last election figures. Will anyone ever have the balls to do anything?

You do, Sammi. Fancy forming a new coalition?? :dancing:

[SammiValentine]

You do, Sammi. Fancy forming a new coalition?? :dancing:

Nooo i wanna lose my balls haha its my human right !!!!!!!!!! brussels rocks.!!

[robertlouis]

Nooo i wanna lose my balls haha its my human right !!!!!!!!!! brussels rocks.!!

Brighton Rocks (and Morecambe! ;) )

Brussels Rock tastes of cabbage.

It's weird. I'd like to slap Osborne, Cameron and Gove (a foetus in a jar) across their smug little Tory faces for hours.

But then I look at Ed Milidee and just think, oh, for fuck's sake - not YOU!

[Ben]

* Iceland, too.

Iceland seeks internet pornography ban:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/25/iceland-seeks-internet-pornography-ban

* I mean, Iceland banned all strip clubs, too:

Iceland [has just] banned all strip clubs. Perhaps it's down to the lesbian prime minister, but this may just be the most female-friendly country on the planet:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/mar/25/iceland-most-feminist-country

[robertlouis]

* Iceland, too.

Iceland seeks internet pornography ban:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/25/iceland-seeks-internet-pornography-ban

* I mean, Iceland banned all strip clubs, too:

Iceland [has just] banned all strip clubs. Perhaps it's down to the lesbian prime minister, but this may just be the most female-friendly country on the planet:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/mar/25/iceland-most-feminist-country

No Ben, it's just too cold over there.

Wonder if the other supermarket chains in the UK will ban porn as well. That'll be Aldi fucked then.

[SammiValentine]

* Iceland, too.

Iceland seeks internet pornography ban:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/25/iceland-seeks-internet-pornography-ban

* I mean, Iceland banned all strip clubs, too:

Iceland [has just] banned all strip clubs. Perhaps it's down to the lesbian prime minister, but this may just be the most female-friendly country on the planet:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/mar/25/iceland-most-feminist-country

it is destiny..!

[robertlouis]

it is destiny..!

LMAO. Brilliant pic. :Bowdown:

[robertlouis]

Best UK supermarket for porn has to be Tesco.

All their burgers are hung like a horse.

[spunktrumpet]

Europeans banning porn, yeah right!!!!!! They fucking invented the stuff, fuck me the Germans national pastime seems to be pissing on each other & leather clad gay sex, the dutch mags show people fucking/being fucked by just about every other species on earth, the Belgians have massive a massive pedophile thing going on (but there's always one lot taking it a step too far), and the french and Spanish seem to have a collaborative venture to hog all the fit South American T Girls between them like some sort of state secret. As for the Italians.................well I've never seen the point of that country anyway but that Andrea Nobili guy seems to be turning things round in the porn stakes & knocking out some decent T Girl stuff lately. I'd be surprised if this proposal got taken seriously, fuck me the Europeans have even managed to corrupt us prudish Brits & turned us into massive deviants!!!

[SammiValentine]

Blame the Romans !

[robertlouis]

Blame the Romans !


Yes, let's.

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE

[kmersh]

Granted, I live across the pond in the USA, but I always though the EU was far more liberal than here in the USA where conservatives seems to rule the moral argument.

Dan

[Prospero]

It would be very surprising if anything actually comes of this...

[Stavros]

No bullshit.The EUSSR is pushing through measures which will
be imposed on European countries to ban porn.
That includes Hung Angels.


But it is Bullshit, as there is no proposal to push through such a lesgislative measure. Members of the European Parliament will be asked to endorse a non-binding Report on Eliminating Gender Stereotypes in the EU that was drafted by Dutch MEP Kartika Liotard, and which contains the phrase suggesting there be a ban on all forms of pornography in the media-but without being explicit as to what is meant by media, with some arguing it refers to advertising. Iceland has begun drafting legislation to ban online pornography in the country, and this is seen as one of the many attempts that governments have made to control access to the internet which so far have failed (outside countries like China and North Korea though there are ways round this).

Tyler is entitled to voice her views on the EU, which I do not share, but this is not an attempt to ban porn in the EU, and is no more effective than MP's in the UK calling for The Sun to stop printing pictures of bare-breasted women on page 3 of this daily comic.

[tvkim]

Ha ha.... thats about as unlikely as me doing bare back sex!

Never gonna happen!

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Not gonna happen!!!

[Genetic]

The country is crying out for a lefty party. New Labour is a farce, yet the unions are still their biggest sponsors based on last election figures. Will anyone ever have the balls to do anything?

The last thing we need is a lefty party in power after all the shit Labour brought us. The way things stand everyone and their uncle is entitled to not work and claim free housing and benefits, while anyone from other people can come here and do the same too. What we need is a much much tougher nationalist party to rule us for a while.

I'm not advocating the BNP or any shit like that, but we do need to stop being ruled by Brussels, stop being a part of the EU so every peasant in europe can come here and look after our own people for once.

[Stavros]

You are free to move to any other country in the EU and work there, claim their benefits, marry their women. If you don't want to be part of the EU you will have to come up with better reasons than that. In case you haven't noticed, the Conservative Party has been increasing it's 'nationalist' appeal with Theresa May just this weekend calling for a new Conservative Govt to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights, and to scrap the Human Rights Act; they have fomented pseudo-hysteria about immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria 'coming here' without any evidence those people want to, and regardless of their right to do so.

And the EU has promoted LGBT rights too, now making it possible for transexuals to claim asylum in the EU on the grounds that they are persecuted in their home country.
http://www.lgbt-ep.eu/press-releases/historic-vote-extends-eu-asylum-standards-to-transgender-people/

[Tyler___Durden]

Brooke Magnanti (Belle De Joure (http://tinyurl.com/2ww6le)) just wrote this article:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02490/pornography_2490744b.jpg (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/9922045/Banning-porn-in-the-EU-wont-make-women-and-men-equal.html)

[BrassVillanueva]

But it is Bullshit, as there is no proposal to push through such a lesgislative measure. Members of the European Parliament will be asked to endorse a non-binding Report on Eliminating Gender Stereotypes in the EU that was drafted by Dutch MEP Kartika Liotard, and which contains the phrase suggesting there be a ban on all forms of pornography in the media-but without being explicit as to what is meant by media, with some arguing it refers to advertising
Actually, it IS explicit, just not in the same sentence. Here's a good write-up on the matter (http://falkvinge.net/2013/03/06/next-tuesday-the-european-parliament-votes-to-ban-all-your-porn-yes-really-take-immediate-action/).

[Genetic]

You are free to move to any other country in the EU and work there, claim their benefits, marry their women. If you don't want to be part of the EU you will have to come up with better reasons than that.

Like where? Move from the UK to perhaps Poland? Romania? Greece? Spain or any of those other countries with amazing economies that's teetering on bankruptcy? Hell let's widen the EU and let in Ethiopia, Somalia, Afghanistan and Peru while we're at it.

People flock here because of all the benefits of being here and there is no reason for them to leave. By your logic I should quit my £34,000 a year job and go work in a supermarket for minimum wage.




they have fomented pseudo-hysteria about immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria 'coming here' without any evidence those people want to, and regardless of their right to do so.

Oh dear, you really don't follow current affairs do you?
Romanians flood into Germany (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9919552/Romanian-and-Bulgarian-migration-into-Germany-They-come-to-look-for-a-better-life.-But-someone-must-pay-for-that.html)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_migration_to_the_United_Kingdom

With the average wage here being 5 times what it is in Romania and Hungary, why wouldn't they want to come here? Best of all they can claim benefits for dependents not even in this country!

[Stavros]

Like where? Move from the UK to perhaps Poland? Romania? Greece? Spain or any of those other countries with amazing economies that's teetering on bankruptcy? Hell let's widen the EU and let in Ethiopia, Somalia, Afghanistan and Peru while we're at it.

People flock here because of all the benefits of being here and there is no reason for them to leave. By your logic I should quit my £34,000 a year job and go work in a supermarket for minimum wage.

Oh dear, you really don't follow current affairs do you?
Romanians flood into Germany (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9919552/Romanian-and-Bulgarian-migration-into-Germany-They-come-to-look-for-a-better-life.-But-someone-must-pay-for-that.html)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_migration_to_the_United_Kingdom

With the average wage here being 5 times what it is in Romania and Hungary, why wouldn't they want to come here? Best of all they can claim benefits for dependents not even in this country!

Curious that you mention countries like Greece and Spain, but not France, or Germany where you could probably get more money and have a better quality life than in the UK, quite apart from the fundamental principle that freedom of movement of labour in the EU is part of what it is all about -on which basis you are free to campaign for the UK to leave the EU, taking its economic future (such as it is) with it.

There was a time when we were going to be 'swamped' by Poles, and many came here, and many have made their money and gone home, and the ones who have stayed have been a benefit to local economies, as well as being hard working people whose skills are in demand. Perhaps the Romanians you have met are 'suspicious types' who may be Roma or some other social group worthy of your contempt; the ones I have known are PhD educated, and by most people's standards in the UK, middle class. But perhaps you want to lump everyone together and stick a 'Not Welcome' sign on the UK. Being 'swamped' by immigrants has been a chronic form of hyseria from certain political quarters in this country even before the loathesome Enoch Powell sailed into political oblivion, and probably UKIP think there are votes in making it an issue.

The hysteria in Germany is not based on facts. Romanians have been migrating to Germany for years, and 80% are in employment and not in need of welfare of any kind, while the migration of EU citizens into the UK has been recognised as a benefit to the national economy, try two alternative views to the ones you linked:
http://blog.gmfus.org/2013/03/07/germanys-skewed-immigration-debate/
http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2013/01/eu-and-immigration

It comes down to rights, and the simple fact that for human rights to have any meaning, we all have them, or we do not. We are members of the EU and that's how I like it, if you don't, then campaign to leave it.

[Genetic]

There was a time when we were going to be 'swamped' by Poles, and many came here, and many have made their money and gone home, and the ones who have stayed have been a benefit to local economies, as well as being hard working people whose skills are in demand.

Where I live, we are still swamped by Poles. Yes a lot of them work and in that sense are a benefit to the local economy, but then those are jobs that should be going people born in this country who admittedly are happy to sit at home on the dole.

We need to get our own lazy workforce back into work and get rid of the benefit culture we have created.






Perhaps the Romanians you have met are 'suspicious types' who may be Roma or some other social group worthy of your contempt;

Who said I have contempt for them? I only said that it makes sense for them to come here as it'd provide them with a better standard of life. However, I don't see the current 3 month wait for an MRI in the UK being acceptable and that is going to shift to 3 and a half months at least if we let in 90,000 Romanians plus God knows how many Hungarians. It's not a matter of me having contempt for these people, it's logistics. We are a small island with limited capabilities being swamped with migrants who are overtaxing our resources.




But perhaps you want to lump everyone together and stick a 'Not Welcome' sign on the UK. Being 'swamped' by immigrants has been a chronic form of hyseria from certain political quarters in this country even before the loathesome Enoch Powell sailed into political oblivion, and probably UKIP think there are votes in making it an issue.

And yet more and more people are saying that Enoch Powell was ahead of his time. UKIP is gaining strength and momentum, and yes I'm happy to put a "Not welcome" sign on the UK. Why do you think we should let everyone in? We are probably the easiest country in the world to gain residence in and why should it be that way? No one gives the US, Australia, Canada or any of the Islamic states any grief for being hostile to migrants, but yet if you're British and don't want everyone and their uncle coming here then suddenly you're a racist nationalist? How's that work?




It comes down to rights, and the simple fact that for human rights to have any meaning, we all have them, or we do not. We are members of the EU and that's how I like it, if you don't, then campaign to leave it.

Believe me I would be more than happy to leave the EU and I think the next election will clearly illustrate how many British people are sick of immigration. Hell, tackling immigration was exactly what got the Conservatives into power this time and people still don't feel enough is being done.

Something however tells me that if you're in the UK and your handle is Stavros, then perhaps you have a vested interest in the UK not leaving Europe?

[Tyler___Durden]

EU porn ban voted down amid censorship concerns March 12 2013 (http://rt.com/news/eu-porn-ban-censorship-concerns-176/)

[Stavros]

Where I live, we are still swamped by Poles. Yes a lot of them work and in that sense are a benefit to the local economy, but then those are jobs that should be going people born in this country who admittedly are happy to sit at home on the dole.

Who said I have contempt for them? I only said that it makes sense for them to come here as it'd provide them with a better standard of life. However, I don't see the current 3 month wait for an MRI in the UK being acceptable and that is going to shift to 3 and a half months at least if we let in 90,000 Romanians plus God knows how many Hungarians. It's not a matter of me having contempt for these people, it's logistics. We are a small island with limited capabilities being swamped with migrants who are overtaxing our resources.

And yet more and more people are saying that Enoch Powell was ahead of his time. UKIP is gaining strength and momentum, and yes I'm happy to put a "Not welcome" sign on the UK. Why do you think we should let everyone in? We are probably the easiest country in the world to gain residence in and why should it be that way? No one gives the US, Australia, Canada or any of the Islamic states any grief for being hostile to migrants, but yet if you're British and don't want everyone and their uncle coming here then suddenly you're a racist nationalist? How's that work?

Believe me I would be more than happy to leave the EU and I think the next election will clearly illustrate how many British people are sick of immigration. Hell, tackling immigration was exactly what got the Conservatives into power this time and people still don't feel enough is being done.

Something however tells me that if you're in the UK and your handle is Stavros, then perhaps you have a vested interest in the UK not leaving Europe?

1) You are not 'swamped' by Poles in your neighbourhood, they are living there because people with similar backgrounds -could be income, could be religion, could be nationality, cluster together, as they do all over the world and have done for centuries -London is a city that transforms itself within every century -I am sure you know that Ealing, Acton, and Turnham Green have had a large population with origins in Russia, Poland and Eastern Europe since the 1930s; various parts of London have been Jewish, Irish, Italian, Afro-Caribbean, and Chinatown speaks for itself.
-The word 'swamped' is loaded with political baggage, perhaps you meant to use another word.

2) Fair enough, I apologise for using the word 'contempt', but if people are coming here and working, they are adding to resources, not draining them -on the basis that we do not have water and food scarcity for example. If there is an accommodation problem -I suspect in London it is a crisis- this is due to an inflated price market and the chronic failure of successive governments to build homes that people can afford to live in, and is not a problem caused by immigration. In addition, much accommodation in London is sub-standard and not fit for human habitation.

3) I don't know where you get the figure of 90,000 Romanians, and it doesn't matter anyway -even if that number do come here, most will work, send money home to build a house, and so on, and eventually return. It pales into insignificance compared to the 390,000 or so Brits who have decamped to Southern Spain -do you hear the Spanish complaining? And yes, they still get their pensions and benefits paid into their Spanish bank accounts, or into their UK ones which they can access from any ATM in the world.

4) Enoch Powell could not explain a fundamental contradiction in his personal philosophy. One of his biographers claims that every day Powell would go down on his knees and thank God for capitalism, yet capitalism is colour-blind, and has no nationality -to be in favour of capitalism and nationalism is as corrosive as the unhappy marriage between socialism and nationalism, which is another destructive contradiction. Powell was an Empire Loyalist of the old school, with the attitudes of a Patrician Tory, he would barely have survived the 1880s in politics, by the 1960s he was simply a crank who had no idea what was happening in the world around him. Bitterness and prejudice is not the best platform on which to base one's politics.

5) UKIP is a fringe party that will attract a protest vote but which has no coherent political platform for the UK as a whole; in reality it is a Little England party whose policies would lead to the break-up of the UK and the impoverishment of millions, a process that began under the Conservative government which was elected in May 1979 and which has remained in place ever since.

6) My family origins are too complex for this thread and irrelevant anyway; Stavros is a comic character created by the comedian Harry Enfield.

7) Finally, and returning to the thread, the Report was endorsed by the European Parliament, minus the proposals on pornography, as predicted by many posters.

[Stephen588]

Yugoslavia was like a mini-EU, that didn't end too well!

[Ben]

Porn for all, not a ban, is better for women

To truly eliminate gender stereotypes, as voted on by the EU, we should do it within porn, not by damning all sex on film as sexist:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/13/porn-all-ban-better-women

Who speaks for women who work in the adult industry?

My problem with anti-porn feminism is that it takes away power from the women who make porn and want control of their work:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/12/who-speaks-for-women-work-adult-industry

[surf4490]

Every time the EU commissars take something else a couple of million sheeple wake up.Pretty soon theirs only the scumbag government pension hoars left.