Hot MMA Fighter Comes Out as Transsexual

[9inchesthickncut]

[Yes, she's post-op ... those shorts aren't that baggy!

http://www.outsports.com/2013/3/5/4068840/fallon-fox-trans-pro-mma-fighter

[RallyCola]

hmm...it will be interesting to see if she will be allowed to fight in against ggirls going forward.

[9inchesthickncut]

The aforementioned Fallon Fox:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/r90/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/543055_395518253867328_1192456982_n.jpg

[SXFX]

I would say I would hit it....but...well...might get hit back!

[9inchesthickncut]

Rockin' a bikini:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/207033_346257918793362_1426031187_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/185499_346258232126664_1028107105_n.jpg

[francisfkudrow]

"There she was treated by a gay-conversion therapist who tried to convince Fox that she was a gay man so that he could turn her into a straight man."

Wait, what? They tried to convince somebody that they ARE gay?

[TSMichelleAustin]

OMG She was my roomate in Chicago... she was single white female type thing, why i moved out! This was before she transitioned. 6 months after I moved out she went to my suger daddy and asked him to pay for her SRS and Boobs in Thailand and he did! She had not lived fulltime but for a few months! She used to be a truck driver when I lived with her in Villa Park, IL... WOW, amazing to see her doing good because after her surgery for a couple of years I heard she was having hard time dealing with it all! Good for her! She was also in the Navy for years and we found out how small of world it was, she found a pic with an ex bf from High school and come to find out they were stationed together for years!!!

[APD2]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/185499_346258232126664_1028107105_n.jpg

I she on the fighter on the right? I wouldn't be able she was trans,just based on the photos.She has a small build.

I think as a fighter she might have some structural advantages when compared to a genetic female.Let's leave it at that.

Anyway,I'm sure she's not the only transsexual competing against genetic females.

[TGasMutiny]

Damn, she is hott!

[Transgirls.de]

Yes! She´s very hot!

[TSPornFan]

Where is this hot babe? I don't see one in this thread?

[wolfticketer761]

hmm...it will be interesting to see if she will be allowed to fight in against ggirls going forward.

Doesn't really matter, She will never be able to come close to Cyborg anyways

[GroobySteven]

Where is this hot babe? I don't see one in this thread?

Is it just today that people have unbelievably bad manners? You only like white chicks anyway so why are you even commenting? Move on.

[BellaBellucci]

She said: "I happen to fall into the transgender category, but I rather describe myself as a woman first, transsexual woman second."

My sentiments exactly.

~BB~

[ghbryans1]

What a crock. I don't care how many hormones you take, you can't undo your development, bone structure and other fixed male attributes. Plus, at the same weight you can carry more muscle because you don't have female baby-making equipment and you ditched your male baby-making gear.

It is not fair in any way shape or form.

[sophiebendable]

What a crock. I don't care how many hormones you take, you can't undo your development, bone structure and other fixed male attributes. Plus, at the same weight you can carry more muscle because you don't have female baby-making equipment and you ditched your male baby-making gear.

It is not fair in any way shape or form.

Wrong. It's well acknowledged (among people who actually know what they're talking about, not among internet trolls) that trans women are at a major disadvantage in athletics where height isn't a factor. Her skeleton weighs much more than the cis women she's competing against, while she has equal levels of bodyfat and lean muscle mass. This is what makes her such a badass.

[ghbryans1]

aaaa

[9inchesthickncut]

For sure, seanchai!

FRANKLIN, not only is Fallon Fox hot, she's a little dangerous, which makes her even hotter.

[lordworm]

Wrong. It's well acknowledged (among people who actually know what they're talking about, not among internet trolls) that trans women are at a major disadvantage in athletics where height isn't a factor. Her skeleton weighs much more than the cis women she's competing against, while she has equal levels of bodyfat and lean muscle mass. This is what makes her such a badass.

Source?

[sophiebendable]

Source?

My source is basic math. If two people are of equal weight and one has a heavier skeleton this means she must have less lean muscle mass. And contrary to what is being argued below, it's the size of one's muscles rather than the size of one's bones that creates strength: Muscles Make You Stronger Song - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvBWnQJHGBs).

I also think it's hilarious that this idiot is talking about a uterus (the scientific term for "female baby-making equipment") as if it is some huge piece of machinery. The average weight of a uterus is 2 ounces: http://answers.ask.com/Health/Other/how_much_does_a_uterus_weigh.

[Quiet Reflections]

She might get through the commissions tests or whatever they do to her, but Dana White will still never sign her to the UFC. I doubt she will even make it into Invicta but at 37 she is near the end of her fighting career anyway.

[Chaos]

Testosterone is primarily responsible for the development of muscle mass and bone tissue in men. With female hormone usage, large muscle groups such as the chest, legs and arms may begin to shrink and bones may become more porous and brittle, thereby contributing to weakness and bone fracture.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/54614-risks-men-taking-female-hormones/#ixzz2MvLvI6xe

[sophiebendable]

Testosterone is primarily responsible for the development of muscle mass and bone tissue in men. With female hormone usage, large muscle groups such as the chest, legs and arms may begin to shrink and bones may become more porous and brittle, thereby contributing to weakness and bone fracture.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/54614-risks-men-taking-female-hormones/#ixzz2MvLvI6xe

This article is very poor. Men with androgenic cancers are never prescribed supplemental estrogen or progesterone. They are however sometimes prescribed *progestogens*, which are synthetic progesterone analogues used for their ability to suppress the creation of testosterone in the testes. So it seems this is why the author is confused.

Osteoperosis is a risk for those men specifically because no hormone replacement can be prescribed. This is why it is prevalent among menopausal women, whose bodies also produce very little of either estrogen or testosterone. This risk that can be removed by taking supplemental estrogen (along with bioidentical progesterone to reduce the risk of endometriosis if the woman hasn't undergone hysterectomy).

Furthermore, this article is discussing osteoperosis, which is very different from a change to bone structure. The latter simply does not occur after puberty. No matter how much estrogen I take, my shoulders won't get less broad.

You know, guys, I am actually an expert in this...

[Chaos]

The point was that hormones will change skeletal mass,not size.
They prevent androgens from making the bones as heavy as they would be.

[sophiebendable]

The point was that hormones will change skeletal mass,not size.
They prevent androgens from making the bones as heavy as they would be.

Male and female bones are of the same density. Therefore, since cis women typically have smaller bones than men or trans women, they also typically have lighter bones. Osteoporosis is a disease that causes decreased bone density. Its risk is greatly increased when there are both no androgens and no estrogens present, as in postmenopausal women. It does not occur simply due to female hormone levels. No one with osteoperosis could be an MMA fighter. Her body would be shattered by now.

[Chaos]

What HRT cannot change
HRT cannot reverse bone changes that have already been established by puberty. Consequently, total height, the length of the arms, legs, hands, and feet, and the width/size of the shoulders and rib cage are all not affected by HRT. However, details of bone shape change throughout life, with bones becoming heavier and more deeply sculptured under the influence of androgens, and HRT will prevent such changes from developing any further.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(male-to-female)#What_HRT_cannot_change

In other words she lost bone mass,but bone size will never change....

[sophiebendable]

What HRT cannot change
HRT cannot reverse bone changes that have already been established by puberty. Consequently, total height, the length of the arms, legs, hands, and feet, and the width/size of the shoulders and rib cage are all not affected by HRT. However, details of bone shape change throughout life, with bones becoming heavier and more deeply sculptured under the influence of androgens, and HRT will prevent such changes from developing any further.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(male-to-female)#What_HRT_cannot_change

In other words she lost bone mass,but bone size will never change....

This quote says that she won't increase in bone mass after starting HRT, but also won't lose bone mass. She started transitioning in her twenties, which means her skeleton weighs as much as that of a twenty something man. According to this article, if she hadn't gone on HRT her skeleton would now weigh as much as a thirty something man. When I explain it that way does it sound like she lost bone mass? ...

[sophiebendable]

And the overall weight of your skeleton really does not change significantly past puberty. What wikipedia is talking about are masculinizing changes to bone structure, like your nose or chin getting bigger. This does continue to some extent into adulthood.

[sophiebendable]

Again, I am an expert on this... I mean, this is my body so I decided to actually learn how it works.

[cutesteph]

What HRT cannot change
HRT cannot reverse bone changes that have already been established by puberty. Consequently, total height, the length of the arms, legs, hands, and feet, and the width/size of the shoulders and rib cage are all not affected by HRT. However, details of bone shape change throughout life, with bones becoming heavier and more deeply sculptured under the influence of androgens, and HRT will prevent such changes from developing any further.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(male-to-female)#What_HRT_cannot_change

In other words she lost bone mass,but bone size will never change....

It maybe true that bone size do not change, but the spine disks collapses loosing inches, feet shrink due to probably arch and cartilage (I went from 10 male to 7 female shoe size). My hand size went from mens small to females small.

[sophiebendable]

It maybe true that bone size do not change, but the spine disks collapses loosing inches, feet shrink due to probably arch and cartilage (I went from 10 male to 7 female shoe size). My hand size went from mens small to females small/medium.

True, but I doubt that would have an impact on athletic performance. I haven't gotten any shorter, but my feet definitely went down a size.

[Chaos]

She may not have LOST bone mass but she didn't gain what she would have without the hormones...(which might be negligible, I don't know)

All in all I do think they should let her fight...just make sure that her opponents are aware of the situation....some might decline...but I doubt that.

I may be wrong ( I usually am) :D
But thanks for the conversation about it...
I was just citing things I could find about it....nowhere near an expert...
And,again,not arguing,just talking and learning!

[dderek123]

She's a pioneer and obviously she will face many challenges. She'll be under a lot of scrutiny but hopefully it all goes well.

But MMA is a potentially very dangerous sport where doing harm to others is the name of the game. There are many rules and regulations despite how the fights look. There are even some rumors floating around that MMA could be a part of the Olympics someday. It's far from the barbaric spectacle that it was during the 90s. It needs to be documented with peer review that she wouldn't be endangering the health of herself or her opponents when she fights.

Here is an interesting comment from another site I lurk at on this topic:
"We don't arbitrarily approve of a Transexual wanting to do everything they think they should with no scrutiny because their community considers them heroes?"

It's 2013 and it should be possible for her to eventually get a license to fight. I just hope that she doesn't get impatient and go fight at underground shows. That wouldn't be good and what would be worse if she ends up badly injuring herself or others in the process.

[Molly D'Vyne]

I went from a men's 11 to a women's 11 in a year on hormones... although I think I might be shrinking even more there because some of the women's 11 shoes are getting too big. (that's a 2 size difference)

Aside from that, I can definitely attest for a huge loss in muscle mass. My hormones were in a normal female range after only a couple months of HRT, and I've become noticeably weaker over time. My testosterone levels are actually lower than that of the average female because of the HRT as well... I imagine that's the case for a lot of trans women that take spiro or similar things to block the testosterone.

[Chuck]

I was inclined to say yes until I saw this fight footage. I used to date a transgender who used to be a male fighter. She was five-seven and 150 pounds. Very slender, quite good looking, and not noticeably muscular. I'm taller by 2 inches and had a solid 20 pounds of muscle on her. When we would be playing around wrestling she would kick my ass every time, and not in that way that a strong well-trained woman can kick your ass. I thoroughly advocate for all transgenders having equal opportunity, but this is different. We're not talking about a transgender model, actress, writer, or CEO being outed.

Fallon Fox vs. Scottie Fortner - APFC Women's Lightweight Championship - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O63KAKFPC7g)

[PatrickLA]

She should not be fighting genetic females ever!! I could care less what she LOOKS like, she is a male inside and it is not fair. Rhonda Rousey is ALL female and unless she takes steroids, her body can't produce testosterone like the tranny fighter and really can't be as strong. Talented, yes, as her Olympic medal proves in Judo but tranny girl still has unfair advantage.

There was a female sprinter names Semenia from Africa a couple of years back that was kicking all the womens butts and it came out she might of been born male, but after tests, she was determined a female with high levels of natural testosterone which gave her more muscle. is that fair to the other feamle runners? Who knows. Tough questions.

[PatrickLA]

In all fairness, the black Tranny fighter KNEW she was really a male. Someone should of been fired and basically a man was beating on a woman there. Not cool.

[LibertyHarkness]

a post op has no testerone like a male .. as they have had the testerone factory removed ...

I see no problem with it ... unless there is a huge size difference .. why do we as TS women change our genders etc , birth certificates etc legal documents etc .. to female if we cant then be treated the same ..

Patrick you seem abit out of touch with gender/reality ...

[Quiet Reflections]

a post op has no testerone like a male .. as they have had the testerone factory removed ...

I see no problem with it ... unless there is a huge size difference .. why do we as TS women change our genders etc , birth certificates etc legal documents etc .. to female if we cant then be treated the same ..

Patrick you seem abit out of touch with gender/reality ...
Size wise she is very comparable but she just kinda sucks, She hasn't fought anybody good and is getting to old to be relevant in MMA. If she ever gets to fight again it will be for some no name company just looking to make a quick buck off her back.

[Tyler___Durden]

True, but I doubt that would have an impact on athletic performance.
I haven't gotten any shorter, but my feet definitely went down a size.
Me too.
I went from a UK size 7 to a UK size 5½ over the first three years of HRT.
My doc said this wasn't changes in bone (which was my guess, though I didn't think that was likely)
It was down to muscle loss and tendons shrinking. Which was obvious after my doc said this. Doh!
Sadly my wide feet remained wide, so finding shoes to fit is even harder.

[littletwink]

It should be noted that there genetic males often possess some evolutionary advantages over genetic females of similar size and strength. Take throwing, for example:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/09/13/you_throw_like_a_girl_boys_throw_better_than_girls _it_s_true_.html

Of course, that was never true in my case. Almost every girl I knew could throw WAY better than me! lol

[bluesoul]

OMG She was my roomate in Chicago... she was single white female type thing, why i moved out! This was before she transitioned. 6 months after I moved out she went to my suger daddy and asked him to pay for her SRS and Boobs in Thailand and he did! She had not lived fulltime but for a few months! She used to be a truck driver when I lived with her in Villa Park, IL... WOW, amazing to see her doing good because after her surgery for a couple of years I heard she was having hard time dealing with it all! Good for her! She was also in the Navy for years and we found out how small of world it was, she found a pic with an ex bf from High school and come to find out they were stationed together for years!!!

awesome. thanks. now- time to google for tmz's phone number

[Ben]

Yes! She´s very hot!

She is quite stunning.

[Ben]

Fallon Fox documentary about the trans MMA fighter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8cgJ0qyurI

[9inchesthickncut]

Fallon Fox documentary about the trans MMA fighter:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8cgJ0qyurI
Very cool ... thanks for sharing, Ben!

uno mas, por favor: rockin' a tight sweater

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/399620_346258332126654_1016423304_n.jpg

[betts]

Joe Rogan rant on Fallon Fox - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6_7BOGUXHM)

[ValerieNelson]

Hrmmmm it'll be interesting to see how society reacts to a Trans Man wanting to fight in MMA, Boxing, and etc.

[Flaco]

I've been reading people's comments on this story...It seems like being politically correct has gone out of the window and folks are saying how they really feel. There are people who are outraged about this situation. And I'm inclined to agree. I'm sorry to say, people can say whatever they want about hormones, but this isn't acceptable. People can cry and moan, but this simply crosses the line. Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings, but sometimes the truth hurts.

[sophiebendable]

I've been reading people's comments on this story...It seems like being politically correct has gone out of the window and folks are saying how they really feel. There are people who are outraged about this situation. And I'm inclined to agree. I'm sorry to say, people can say whatever they want about hormones, but this isn't acceptable. People can cry and moan, but this simply crosses the line. Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings, but sometimes the truth hurts.

All people have opinions, but not all are educated. Global warming and evolution are also debates in the public sphere, but this does not affect their status as facts. This is why not one doctor or scientist has come out saying she has an unfair advantage against non-trans women, while many have offered their support and attempted (obviously unsuccessfully, as you've shown here) to educate the ignorant.

[Flaco]

All people have opinions, but not all are educated. Global warming and evolution are also debates in the public sphere, but this does not affect their status as facts. This is why not one doctor or scientist has come out saying she has an unfair advantage against non-trans women, while many have offered their support and attempted (obviously unsuccessfully, as you've shown here) to educate the ignorant.

If people feel that Fallon is still a man, and that she's beating up women they will take offense. Simple as that. I'm still not certain what to think, the whole situation is confusing to be honest. I actually would like to hear what a doctor or scientist would have to say, but on first glance this doesn't look good. If a doctor says that Fallon has no physical advantages over a genetic female, people are still going to take offense and call it BS. Because like I said before, on first glance it sure doesn't look that way. And if a doctor says she does have an advantage, then certain people will quickly label the doctor as a "Bigot" or "Ignorant" or "Bully" or something along those lines.

I'm sorry but this is one is kind of common sense. I mean are you seriously going to sit there, and say Fallon is weaker than these girls she's fighting? I understand playing the victim and all, but seriously?

[sophiebendable]

If people feel that Fallon is still a man, and that she's beating up women they will take offense. Simple as that. I'm still not certain what to think, the whole situation is confusing to be honest. I actually would like to hear what a doctor or scientist would have to say, but on first glance this doesn't look good. If a doctor says that Fallon has no physical advantages over a genetic female, people are still going to take offense and call it BS. Because like I said before, on first glance it sure doesn't look that way. And if a doctor says she does have an advantage, then certain people will quickly label the doctor as a "Bigot" or "Ignorant" or "Bully" or something along those lines.

I'm sorry but this is one is kind of common sense. I mean are you seriously going to sit there, and say Fallon is weaker than these girls she's fighting? I understand playing the victim and all, but seriously?

This is confusing to you because you know nothing about it. You could just do some research or listen to what experts have already said on the issue, but you seem to be choosing to remain ignorant. I'm not surprised that you're saying policy should be determined by the least intelligent and most prejudiced people because you seem to fall into that group. Luckily, that is not how anything works in reality. People care whether things are true or not.

[Flaco]

This is confusing to you because you know nothing about it. You could just do some research or listen to what experts have already said on the issue, but you seem to be choosing to remain ignorant. I'm not surprised that you're saying policy should be determined by the least intelligent and most prejudiced people because you seem to fall into that group. Luckily, that is not how anything works in reality. People care whether things are true or not.

Please quote me where I said that. And why don't you back up your claims with evidence? Why not show me what the experts "Have already said on the issue" ? I'm willing to learn.

[amberskyi]

Depending on how early she started taking hormones it's possible her skeletal and muscular structures would of developed the same as any females.
After prolong use of hormone replacement therapy we lose muscle mass.also since she is now post op testosterone is something her body no longer naturally produces.
I'm really surprised by the lack of information on here about transitioning and the physiological effects.it's just not all boobs and long hair guys lol

[Flaco]

Depending on how early she started taking hormones it's possible her skeletal and muscular structures would of developed the same as any females.
After prolong use of hormone replacement therapy we lose muscle mass.also since she is now post op testosterone is something her body no longer naturally produces.
I'm really surprised by the lack of information on here about transitioning and the physiological effects.it's just not all boobs and long hair guys lol

Amber, this was a person who started taking hormones 6 or 7 years ago. Are you seriously going to tell me her 30 years of development as a man, was completely changed by her 6-7 years of using hormones? I seriously doubt it. And I think Fallon herself, doubted it. Why else would she lie about her transition until recently? I mean it's not even like she was young and taking hormones, she was a full blown man till the age of 30. And I'm pretty sure in a male body, the adrenal gland still produces testosterone (Even when the person no longer has a testes).

[amberskyi]

Amber, this was a person who started taking hormones 6 or 7 years ago. Are you seriously going to tell me her 30 years of development as a man, was completely changed by her 6-7 years of using hormones? I seriously doubt it. And I think Fallon herself, doubted it. Why else would she lie about her transition until recently? I mean it's not even like she was young and taking hormones, she was a full blown man till the age of 30. And I'm pretty sure in a male body, the adrenal gland still produces testosterone (Even when the person no longer has a testes).

In the same amounts that it would produce in a woman.as we know woman also have an adrenal gland and also produce minimal amounts of testosterone as well.unless your willing to do the research yourself you really should take our word on the effects of hormone replacement therapy.most of us have dealt with this most of our life and see specialist (endocrinologist) for our treatments.conjecture is pointless and just perpetuates misinformation.
The whole 30 thing is a factor.very true, he would of been fully developed as a man.while that may of been the case here keep in mind that all ts woman aren't the same.it's unfair to say that being a ts is an advantage in and of itself

[dderek123]

Amber, this was a person who started taking hormones 6 or 7 years ago. Are you seriously going to tell me her 30 years of development as a man, was completely changed by her 6-7 years of using hormones? I seriously doubt it. And I think Fallon herself, doubted it. Why else would she lie about her transition until recently? I mean it's not even like she was young and taking hormones, she was a full blown man till the age of 30. And I'm pretty sure in a male body, the adrenal gland still produces testosterone (Even when the person no longer has a testes).

I think there is a lot of grey area to this issue and lots of variables at play. It is most likely true (I'm no doctor oc) that after HRT a TS would lose a significant amount of strength and endurance. What if this would put Fallon at a significant disadvantage when she fights in the cage? Would it be wise for a doctor working for the athletic commission that is sanctioning the fight to clear her to? What if she could get seriously injured? What if there would be a chance that she would end up on this list?
Fatalities in mixed martial arts contests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalities_in_mixed_martial_arts_contests)

We are talking about MMA here not badminton. It's a dangerous sport. I think Fallon should be cleared to fight if it is proven in a medical study with peer review that she wouldn't be endangering herself or her opponents when she steps in the cage.

Like i posted earlier is if she goes to an underground show and badly hurts herself or someone else then no TS are going to be licensed to fight for a very long time. Essentially any TS that aspire to be doing what Fallon does would have a much more difficult time. That would be a major loss for the TS community.

PS I think this is an opportunity for the LGBT community to promote more understanding about what it is to transition which would help the public understand more about the plight of TS around the world.

[Bribi]

As a MMA follower, I heard about it.

My take on it is, I'm not sure it's fair for the other girls. If scientists and doctors can proove that at 100% she has no advantage due to her being a male before, then let her fight women. No problem with that.
But I doubt that hormones can turn your body 100% to a female body. You still have a bone structure, a muscle structure, different than a GG. Especially with MMA training. The differences will be more visible than on a GG and a TG not trained.

You got to understand that it's a hurting business. It's not a soccer or basketball game where the end of it is you take more goals or points. It's a sport where a person can be physically hurt badly.

But at the same time, it would not be fair for her to fight male.

There is a case in thai boxing with a fighter who became a women and apparently started destroying GG.

So it's a turning point in the sport of MMA. Maybe even in sport.

[dderek123]

From an MMA blog:
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/436280/White-Fox-needs-to-be-way-better-before-we-worry-about-her-gender/

White: Fox needs to be way better before we worry about her gender
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by Dann Stupp | source: mmajunkie.com

Whether Fox will be licensed to continue fighting females ultimately will be decided by the governing bodies, according to White.

"It's a question for the athletic commissions," he told the Abe Kanan Show on SiriusXM. "The athletic commissions, I don't know how they would rule on that. That's a really tough one, and that's in the hands of the commission, not me."

"Here's the other thing," White said. "All this other hype about Fallon Fox fighting in the UFC or whatever, understand this first and foremost: Everyone that Fallon Fox has fought has a losing record.

"So before you even think about fighting in the UFC or whatever – he was a man and now he's a woman – he's fighting girls who have losing records. Before you get too crazy about him being in the UFC, he's so freaking far from being in the UFC that it's not even funny."

It doesn't look like Fallon will get her opportunity. But you never know what might happen.

[Bribi]

For sure, she needs to proove that she can fight in the UFC.
I know some people will say that it's because of her gender, but it's not.
You don't sign with the UFC because you have a particularity.
It's because you have the level.
Then, she is a 145 pounder, and there is not even a 145 pounds division for women in UFC.
Can she make 135?

[dderek123]

Can she make 135?

I think it's possible. But would she decide to do so?

Cyborg elected not to go down in weight and she was offered a title fight against a champ that has been getting a lot of press lately. She basically said that her doctor advised her to not cut so much weight. IDK but I think cutting weight wouldn't suit her fighting style too well. And she usually weighs in over by around 10 pounds usually.

[Bribi]

We can't even tell if it's possible for her! Maybe she's like Cyborg and cuts a lot to make 145

[dderek123]

Yeah its all hard to speculate on at this point. I wish Fallon luck though. If she keeps winning and stays in the spotlight only good things can come of it. I hope!

[Quiet Reflections]

I think it's possible. But would she decide to do so?

Cyborg elected not to go down in weight and she was offered a title fight against a champ that has been getting a lot of press lately. She basically said that her doctor advised her to not cut so much weight. IDK but I think cutting weight wouldn't suit her fighting style too well. And she usually weighs in over by around 10 pounds usually.
Cyborg was never offer a shot at rousey. She said she wanted it but she was already out for steroid use at the time. She would have been behind a few other girls before she got her chance anyway and if she was clean she wouldn't have had any problem cutting weight to 135. Ortiz already she walked around between 165-175 and was willing to go to 140. She is a natural born cheater so she wanted that extra size for to give her and advantage and slow down rousey. Rousey is smart when she dropped down from 145 she picked up a lot of speed and being the champ the other girls should come to her , not the other way around.

[dderek123]

Cyborg was never offer a shot at rousey.

Really? Oh well she is at Invicta now where she'll be able to get away with cheating more easily. I used to be a big fan of hers its such a dissapointment that she relies on roids to have an unfair advantage. What are you really fighting for? For fame and money? For the satisfaction of winning or hurting your opponents? Whatever she achieves its all built on lies.

[Tyler___Durden]

And I'm pretty sure in a male body, the adrenal gland still produces testosterone (Even when the person no longer has a testes).
A Post-Op transsexual woman produces less testosterone, than a Bio-Woman.
Some get prescribed testosterone Post Op to make up for this.
The symptoms are a lack of energy, lethargy, general tiredness.
I know several Post Op ts's who are on Testosternone HRT.
One of my friends is 10 years post-op. She was experiencing the above symptoms,
so I suggested she got her "T" levels checked in a blood test.
Normal testosterone levels:
Adolescent male. . . . 75-400 ng/dl
Adult male. . . . . . . . .300 to 1000 ng/dl or 10.4-34.7 nmol/L (SI units)
Adolescent female . . 20 to 64 ng/dl
Adult female. . . . . . .20-75 ng/dl or .69-2.6 nmol/L (SI units)

Post op transsexual. .can be lower than 3 ng/dl

That sorts out the T level aspect of the thread.
Muscle & bone loss occurs after a significant time on HRT.
I've no idea about the degree of this
nor how the % muscle & skeletal frame of such a post-op ts woman
would compare to a Bio-woman of the same height & general build.

Is there any data out there? Or does it fall into the 'Periphery' of medical knowledge,
as so much Ts related stuff (understandably) does...

[betts]

UFC women's champ Rousey weighs in on transgender fighter controversy

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/the_main_event/ufc_women_champ_weighs_in_on_transgender_3x7mCaaXn 27HVq1QtuO5lN

[natina]

MMA fighter calls transgender fighter 'disgusting freak,' gets suspended
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/09/sport/mma-fighter-suspended


UFC has suspended fighter Matt Mitrione indefinitely for comments made in an interview about transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ufc/2013/04/08/ufc-suspends-matt-mitrione-fallon-fox-comments/2065083/




CNN) -- Mixed martial arts organization UFC has suspended fighter Matt Mitrione indefinitely for comments made in an interview Monday night about transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox.
Born a man, Fox became a woman through surgery and then trained to fight in mixed martial arts, a story that she revealed earlier to Sports Illustrated.
One of Fox's recent female competitors criticized her (http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/us/transgender-fighter) for not disclosing that she had had a sex change operation before fighting. Fox, who disclosed the operation after the match, won.
Mitrione, a former NFL player, appeared Monday on a show called "The MMA Hour." (http://www.mmafighting.com/videos/2013/4/9/4204628/the-mma-hour-episode-175-matt-mitrione)

[Bribi]

Matt Mitrione has never been known for his intelligence.
His nickname is "meathead", it says it all.

[retroboy]

Ashlee Evans-Smith With the HUGE Upset at CFA 12 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1edErjyMp4)

Transgender Fighter Fallon Fox Loses Via TKO to Ashlee Evans-Smith - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjkrjBQflx4)

Ashlee Evans-Smith says she feels Fallon Fox shouldn't be able to fight women - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRBGnjoWdo8)