romeo
04-29-2006, 12:35 AM
the Indian admins gave me some of these posts :roll: ....
Vicki Richter
TS vs a Shemale:
A pre-op TS woman is someone who fully intends to get SRS someday. She often is either revulsed by having a penis, or feels that she would be more complete with a vagina. It's a strong calling that no true ` TS can ignore.
A shemale woman is someone who lives a woman but has no intention of getting SRS someday. She has a cock and likes it. She probably likes to use it. A shemale woman is also someone who has a cock, doesn't like it, but won't remove it because of losing her income stream. Is this bad? No. It is just reality.
I think shemales are more attractive by and large because they have to because it is their income stream.
I am sorry, you cannot call yourself a pre-op transsexual if you have lived as a woman for 10 years with a dick and continue to do so because it makes you money. You are shemale. I think there is also fear by some shemales about being accepted as true women although most of them would deny this to others and themselves.
I think for the longest t^me I consídered myself shemale... I have been content living as I am, I like my thing and am comfortable using it while living as a woman. However, I think my mindset has changed to the point where I am morphing to TS. My reasoning is simple... Hormones are killing me at the present volumes I consume and I want to maintain femininity long term over the side benefits of being shemale. I am comfortable with my body. I am comfortable with myself. Obviously nothing is happening tomorrow or in the immediate future, I just think life is more important.
It's not a superiority thing, TS vs Shemale... it is a state of mind and I applaud the girls of both genre's
for their conviction one way or the other. I think the only travesty is the TS minded women who sacrifice that to be shemale because of $.
Unisex
Quote:
Hormones are killing me at the present volumes I consume and I want to maintain femininity long term over the side benefits of being shemale.
Is this more of a mental killing or physical for yourself?
Vicki Richter
Physical... There aren't really any truly safe long term hormonal solutions at the volumes that shemales need to maintain femininity long term. Additionally, the lack of hormones can be countered surgically perhaps, but I don't view surgery as a long term maintenance plan, more of a means to an end. Most of the girls can't afford the level of surgery that some of us have had so it isn't a viable alternative fiscally for most girls either.
Injectables might be a bit better, but they have their risks and downside as well. Hormones in any form of pill are extremely damaging to your liver and can cause a whole other variety of complications.
Ecstatic
Interesting comments, Vicki. l've long held that a woman is a woman, whether she has a cock or not, depending on how she sees herself (I know many do not agree with that, but I don't think gender need be based upon one's sexual organs). However, first you say that you cannot call yourself TS if you uve as a shemale for 10 years (I assume that's not an absolute mark in your mind, just a metaphor for "a very long t^me"), then say that you have considered yourself shemale "for the longest time" and that you are now "morphing to TS." Of course, if that's who you are and how you feel, I applaud you, no question. But isn't that a little contradictory? Or are you saying that you were not TS while you were shemale but now you are becoming TS (indicating that, at some point in the not-too-distant future, you will have SRS)?
Or is it all just a matter of convoluted terminology that just doesn't really matter when you get down to it?
Vicki Richter
Good points... No I have referred to myself as a shemale for quite a long time because of that specific distinction. Many girls call themselves TS's or pre-op TS's when they really aren't. Is it a label? Yes. But think there is a strong enough distinction between the social clusters to warrant the difference.
Yes 10 years was a fictitious, not absolute number, but there are many girls living as women from the
age of 18-early 20's who are now much older with no path to alter themselves. That is fine if they accept
themselves as something other than Transsexual, but by definition, it isn't exactly the same in my opinion.
CaliBoy951
Hey Vicki,
I agree with Ecstatic, in that when I meet a woman that I am attracted to, as long as she is honest with me, I could careless what she has between her legs. I consider myself a"straight" guy that has dated a TS, meaning the she has been on hormones for years, and yes she was and continues to pay a very heavy price for doing so. I have seen her have issues from uncontrolable headaches, not being able to sleep, and other serious issues.
Personally, I really liked her, and wanted her to quit the hormones, but she didn't, and along with the crazy mood swings we quit our relationship, but to this day we are still very good friends. Bottom line is that as they say, beauty comes from inside, and that your personal health should be priority.
Vicki, I personally think you are one of the sexiest Ts's I have seen, and no, I am not scamming on you (I am married). I think there is a HUGE difference between being just beautiful, and being sexy. Almost anybody can be beautiful, but very few in my opinion are truly sexy. How many times do we somebody, and we go "wow", they are hot, then the clothes come off, and damn, ^t's a whole different story, but with the sexy person, the more that comes off, the better they look!! Sorry for going on and on, and getting off the subject, but I just thought I would share my 2 cents worth.
Vicki Richter
Cali thank you sincerely. I think I'd take sexy over beautiful. (D
I guess my points are necessarily pointing exclusively to the guys or girls on this board but more towards society in general. A TS isn't a TS isn't a TG isn't a shemale. They are all unique. They are all different just like people in generaL However, so many shemales never take the steps toward becoming what they intended to all along because at some point personal fears of being able to succeed as a woman and not a shemale start to take hold.
Yes the adult entertainment industry pays well... and that includes escorting. However, sex work is soul taxing and draining. For a girl to put off the rest of her life because she begins to feel her true worth is only the sex she provides it is a really sad thing. Most shemales start off with dreams and hopes for a happy life that I don't think the lifestyle of being shemale can ever provide for them. Do you really think these girls going to a TS club week afier week and selling their bodies year after year like it? Maybe... I just don't think I would.
Arianna
To what degree would you be cutting back on hormones? Obviously you wouldn’t need t-blockers
anymore. Have you ever taken hormones by injection? And just curious; have you seen an endocrinologist somewhat recently to confirm your concerns?
Vicki Richter
Correct, no more spironolactone... (However, honestly this is the least of my worries from a hormone regimine perspective). You can also cut back to much less (menopausal dosages) estrogen intake since you are just maintaining and not battling testosterone anymore at all.
I am not a fan of injections. Effective? They are the most effective method for hormone intake in my op^nion. I am just not a big fan of jabbing myself in the ass with needles, especially long term. During feminization - yes... Good call.
Yes I have had some bloodwork screening at my doctors office.
Arianna
I began hrt with taking Delestrogen by intramuscular injection, and that's the only way I've taken estrogen so far. I give myself the shot every two weeks. Once you get it down, it's easy. But I did learn in a clinic that wouldn't allow me to inject it myself, until I had proved I could do it properly. Btw I inject it in my thighs, not my butt.
And, yes. Getting your blood tested regularly is key. The shit that scares me the most is stuff like my pituitary gland becoming enlarged. I'll be traveling back to Manhatten twice a year for my check ups, etc. Callen-Lorde monitors the health of ALOT of transsexuals on HRT, and they really know their shit.
hondarobot
I don't think this thread is intended for discussion or debate purposes, I think you will indeed get SRS one day. l've never encountered anyone more driven to succeed and win then you in my life. I think if just "fmishing" what you believe to be an entire process (obtain vagina= fully woman), it would be a bad idea. From what l've read on the subject, many post-op girls deeply regret the surgery.
But the main concem seems to be health and hormones. Here are some of the benefits of hormones, from what I understand:
* breast growth (not an issue with implants)
* some redistribution of body fat to approximate a female body shape (can be achieved to an extent through exercise and other means, if an athletic build is desired) * decreased upper body strength (muscles atrophy naturally over time) * softening of skin (can be obtained via other means)
* decrease in body hair (legitimate, but lot's of women have to deal with body hair, and laser treatment has removed most of this concem)
* slowing or stopping the loss of scalp hair (again, other means to achieve this naturally) * decreased fertility and testicular size (fertility? I guess this is legit) * less frequent, less firm erections (if that's what a girl want's, legit)
Here are some of the risks:
* increased propensity to blood clotting (venous thrombosis with a risk of fatal pulmonary embolism) * development of benign pituitary tumors
* infertility
* weight gain
* íncreased emotional sensitivity and/or instability
* liver disease
Honestly, I think heavy hormone use is primarily psychologically helpful for many TS. Genetic bom girls have hormones, right?
Pd go on about the risks of SRS, but I've weighed in on this topic for the last time. I think the only real reason a girl would get SRS is to have a vagina. A girl who enjoys her shecock, in my opinion, should keep it. If she doesn't think she71 ever be with a"straight" man because of her sexual gear, then I guess that could be a legitimate concern. I'm not concemed about gender or sexuality labels at all, and ^f anyone wants to think I'm just a tranny chaser, go right ahead.
If I was opposed to SRS just because I was chasing after shecock, I think I would still be having sex with lots and lots of transexuals. And I'm not.
Vicki Richter
Honda - your best post I've ever read in my opinion. Why can't you always be like this?
hondarobot
Well, thanks.
You know I'm not looney in the Real World. Online, I do get goofy on occasion.
BTW, if you haven't picked it up, you might want to check out Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion. I've been playing it for about a week now. I think it's one of those rare games we would both agree on (it's single person, but it's pretty cool and I think you'd like it. The game world is massive).
In fact, I gotta game back in and figure out why some shady pirates were j ust messing with me. Fuckin pirates
Vicki Richter
TS vs a Shemale:
A pre-op TS woman is someone who fully intends to get SRS someday. She often is either revulsed by having a penis, or feels that she would be more complete with a vagina. It's a strong calling that no true ` TS can ignore.
A shemale woman is someone who lives a woman but has no intention of getting SRS someday. She has a cock and likes it. She probably likes to use it. A shemale woman is also someone who has a cock, doesn't like it, but won't remove it because of losing her income stream. Is this bad? No. It is just reality.
I think shemales are more attractive by and large because they have to because it is their income stream.
I am sorry, you cannot call yourself a pre-op transsexual if you have lived as a woman for 10 years with a dick and continue to do so because it makes you money. You are shemale. I think there is also fear by some shemales about being accepted as true women although most of them would deny this to others and themselves.
I think for the longest t^me I consídered myself shemale... I have been content living as I am, I like my thing and am comfortable using it while living as a woman. However, I think my mindset has changed to the point where I am morphing to TS. My reasoning is simple... Hormones are killing me at the present volumes I consume and I want to maintain femininity long term over the side benefits of being shemale. I am comfortable with my body. I am comfortable with myself. Obviously nothing is happening tomorrow or in the immediate future, I just think life is more important.
It's not a superiority thing, TS vs Shemale... it is a state of mind and I applaud the girls of both genre's
for their conviction one way or the other. I think the only travesty is the TS minded women who sacrifice that to be shemale because of $.
Unisex
Quote:
Hormones are killing me at the present volumes I consume and I want to maintain femininity long term over the side benefits of being shemale.
Is this more of a mental killing or physical for yourself?
Vicki Richter
Physical... There aren't really any truly safe long term hormonal solutions at the volumes that shemales need to maintain femininity long term. Additionally, the lack of hormones can be countered surgically perhaps, but I don't view surgery as a long term maintenance plan, more of a means to an end. Most of the girls can't afford the level of surgery that some of us have had so it isn't a viable alternative fiscally for most girls either.
Injectables might be a bit better, but they have their risks and downside as well. Hormones in any form of pill are extremely damaging to your liver and can cause a whole other variety of complications.
Ecstatic
Interesting comments, Vicki. l've long held that a woman is a woman, whether she has a cock or not, depending on how she sees herself (I know many do not agree with that, but I don't think gender need be based upon one's sexual organs). However, first you say that you cannot call yourself TS if you uve as a shemale for 10 years (I assume that's not an absolute mark in your mind, just a metaphor for "a very long t^me"), then say that you have considered yourself shemale "for the longest time" and that you are now "morphing to TS." Of course, if that's who you are and how you feel, I applaud you, no question. But isn't that a little contradictory? Or are you saying that you were not TS while you were shemale but now you are becoming TS (indicating that, at some point in the not-too-distant future, you will have SRS)?
Or is it all just a matter of convoluted terminology that just doesn't really matter when you get down to it?
Vicki Richter
Good points... No I have referred to myself as a shemale for quite a long time because of that specific distinction. Many girls call themselves TS's or pre-op TS's when they really aren't. Is it a label? Yes. But think there is a strong enough distinction between the social clusters to warrant the difference.
Yes 10 years was a fictitious, not absolute number, but there are many girls living as women from the
age of 18-early 20's who are now much older with no path to alter themselves. That is fine if they accept
themselves as something other than Transsexual, but by definition, it isn't exactly the same in my opinion.
CaliBoy951
Hey Vicki,
I agree with Ecstatic, in that when I meet a woman that I am attracted to, as long as she is honest with me, I could careless what she has between her legs. I consider myself a"straight" guy that has dated a TS, meaning the she has been on hormones for years, and yes she was and continues to pay a very heavy price for doing so. I have seen her have issues from uncontrolable headaches, not being able to sleep, and other serious issues.
Personally, I really liked her, and wanted her to quit the hormones, but she didn't, and along with the crazy mood swings we quit our relationship, but to this day we are still very good friends. Bottom line is that as they say, beauty comes from inside, and that your personal health should be priority.
Vicki, I personally think you are one of the sexiest Ts's I have seen, and no, I am not scamming on you (I am married). I think there is a HUGE difference between being just beautiful, and being sexy. Almost anybody can be beautiful, but very few in my opinion are truly sexy. How many times do we somebody, and we go "wow", they are hot, then the clothes come off, and damn, ^t's a whole different story, but with the sexy person, the more that comes off, the better they look!! Sorry for going on and on, and getting off the subject, but I just thought I would share my 2 cents worth.
Vicki Richter
Cali thank you sincerely. I think I'd take sexy over beautiful. (D
I guess my points are necessarily pointing exclusively to the guys or girls on this board but more towards society in general. A TS isn't a TS isn't a TG isn't a shemale. They are all unique. They are all different just like people in generaL However, so many shemales never take the steps toward becoming what they intended to all along because at some point personal fears of being able to succeed as a woman and not a shemale start to take hold.
Yes the adult entertainment industry pays well... and that includes escorting. However, sex work is soul taxing and draining. For a girl to put off the rest of her life because she begins to feel her true worth is only the sex she provides it is a really sad thing. Most shemales start off with dreams and hopes for a happy life that I don't think the lifestyle of being shemale can ever provide for them. Do you really think these girls going to a TS club week afier week and selling their bodies year after year like it? Maybe... I just don't think I would.
Arianna
To what degree would you be cutting back on hormones? Obviously you wouldn’t need t-blockers
anymore. Have you ever taken hormones by injection? And just curious; have you seen an endocrinologist somewhat recently to confirm your concerns?
Vicki Richter
Correct, no more spironolactone... (However, honestly this is the least of my worries from a hormone regimine perspective). You can also cut back to much less (menopausal dosages) estrogen intake since you are just maintaining and not battling testosterone anymore at all.
I am not a fan of injections. Effective? They are the most effective method for hormone intake in my op^nion. I am just not a big fan of jabbing myself in the ass with needles, especially long term. During feminization - yes... Good call.
Yes I have had some bloodwork screening at my doctors office.
Arianna
I began hrt with taking Delestrogen by intramuscular injection, and that's the only way I've taken estrogen so far. I give myself the shot every two weeks. Once you get it down, it's easy. But I did learn in a clinic that wouldn't allow me to inject it myself, until I had proved I could do it properly. Btw I inject it in my thighs, not my butt.
And, yes. Getting your blood tested regularly is key. The shit that scares me the most is stuff like my pituitary gland becoming enlarged. I'll be traveling back to Manhatten twice a year for my check ups, etc. Callen-Lorde monitors the health of ALOT of transsexuals on HRT, and they really know their shit.
hondarobot
I don't think this thread is intended for discussion or debate purposes, I think you will indeed get SRS one day. l've never encountered anyone more driven to succeed and win then you in my life. I think if just "fmishing" what you believe to be an entire process (obtain vagina= fully woman), it would be a bad idea. From what l've read on the subject, many post-op girls deeply regret the surgery.
But the main concem seems to be health and hormones. Here are some of the benefits of hormones, from what I understand:
* breast growth (not an issue with implants)
* some redistribution of body fat to approximate a female body shape (can be achieved to an extent through exercise and other means, if an athletic build is desired) * decreased upper body strength (muscles atrophy naturally over time) * softening of skin (can be obtained via other means)
* decrease in body hair (legitimate, but lot's of women have to deal with body hair, and laser treatment has removed most of this concem)
* slowing or stopping the loss of scalp hair (again, other means to achieve this naturally) * decreased fertility and testicular size (fertility? I guess this is legit) * less frequent, less firm erections (if that's what a girl want's, legit)
Here are some of the risks:
* increased propensity to blood clotting (venous thrombosis with a risk of fatal pulmonary embolism) * development of benign pituitary tumors
* infertility
* weight gain
* íncreased emotional sensitivity and/or instability
* liver disease
Honestly, I think heavy hormone use is primarily psychologically helpful for many TS. Genetic bom girls have hormones, right?
Pd go on about the risks of SRS, but I've weighed in on this topic for the last time. I think the only real reason a girl would get SRS is to have a vagina. A girl who enjoys her shecock, in my opinion, should keep it. If she doesn't think she71 ever be with a"straight" man because of her sexual gear, then I guess that could be a legitimate concern. I'm not concemed about gender or sexuality labels at all, and ^f anyone wants to think I'm just a tranny chaser, go right ahead.
If I was opposed to SRS just because I was chasing after shecock, I think I would still be having sex with lots and lots of transexuals. And I'm not.
Vicki Richter
Honda - your best post I've ever read in my opinion. Why can't you always be like this?
hondarobot
Well, thanks.
You know I'm not looney in the Real World. Online, I do get goofy on occasion.
BTW, if you haven't picked it up, you might want to check out Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion. I've been playing it for about a week now. I think it's one of those rare games we would both agree on (it's single person, but it's pretty cool and I think you'd like it. The game world is massive).
In fact, I gotta game back in and figure out why some shady pirates were j ust messing with me. Fuckin pirates