Just broke up with TS girlfriend, can't do it anymore

[Infern0]

Things were good for a while, we had a lot of common interests and there was a real connection, but after a while things started to get real messy. So much issues and insecurity, which I was more than willing to try and help with.

Sick of being up all night, every night till 3am "convincing" her that I loved her, and accepted her for who she was.

Sick of convincing her that my family and friends did accept her (they really did, not a single fuck was given) and that they weren't always staring and talking behind her back.

Sick of being called a "fag" whenever an argument happened.

Sick of panic attacks and depression.

Sick of no gratitude for anything, and being compared to past "lovers" who had cheated on her and treated her like crap when i didn't.

Sick of being told to "fuck off, fag"

Yeah, just sick in general.

I made a real go at this, but it was such a headfuck, and very very bizzare, when I first met her she lied about being a virgin (i didn't really care) and being "innocent" etc, after a while the cracks and lies started to show, but still I put up with it, she called my parents at 3am the other day to talk to me because i was "getting agressive", all that happened was every time we argue she calls me a "fag" and tells me she could "beat the shit out of me" (serious) which I just laugh at, but this time I was eating a bowl of cereal and had had enough, so literally I just dropped the bowl which smashed on the floor looked her straight in the eye and said "try it then". now, I would have never lifted a finger against her, i would have just let her hit me, whatever but I am sick of being put down and having this fucking issue with testosterone levels, and every time she gets mad, trying to belittle my masculinity, it's BULLSHIT.

Not going back, fuck it she drained all my money too so she can move back in with the parents because i'm the one who pays the fucking rent, bills, food, gives her going out money.

Or go back on fucking cams again, lazy fuck.

SRS

/rant

[Infern0]

oh and did i mention, I get up for work at 5am, most nights after 2 hours sleep because im dealing with her issues until 3am when i basically have to beg her to let me get some sleep, she stays in bed till 1pm, when i've been working 7 hours, I get home at 6 or 7 because i'm pulling overtime to fund her lifestyle, and then the house is a fucking mess, and I have to cook dinner because if it's her night I come home to fucking MCDONALDS@!!!!!!

aRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[fivekatz]

Sounds tough, take a step back. Bad stuff in life is kind of like jello. When you first make jello you bring it to a boil, it's hot and you can't hold it. You put in the refrigerator for awhile and it takes form and then you can get your hands around it and hold it.

Bad shit in a relationship is just like jello, once you put it in the refrigerator for awhile you will be able to get your hands around it and decide what you need to do going onward.

Just my take.

[nysprod]

So how did you leave it with her...did you tell her you were breaking up with her?

[BBaggins06]

The best part is coming up. It's where she lies to all her friends painting you as the bad guy. Then she stalks you online. And finally there will be the late night calls begging for forgiveness ...

[nysprod]

The best part is coming up. It's where she lies to all her friends painting you as the bad guy. Then she stalks you online. And finally there will be the late night calls begging for forgiveness ...

And then the booty calls!

[jamiethewild]

I would have done the same if not worse maybe even more worse atrocious words and behavior, maybe would of have thrown things at you, thats why i don't date and only escort. I hate men that are into trans-women, yet am a trans-woman. Life is so fucking unfair.... the f*gs/bi/confuse are the ones that want to be with us, its a shame....

[rockabilly]

There is life after a breakup trust me.

[Jericho]

Sorry you couldn't take any more fella, but from what you've said, is it any wonder she was taking the piss?
It sounds like you let her walk all over you.

[Lovecox]

The scenario you've depicted sounds like a fucking nightmare. Do yourself a favor and move on. Nobody needs that kind of abuse. There are plenty of people out there who will love and appreciate you with respect and consideration.

[nysprod]

I hate men that are into trans-women, yet am a trans-woman. Life is so fucking unfair.... the f*gs/bi/confuse are the ones that want to be with us, its a shame....

Sounds like who you really hate is yourself...

[MHarrigan82]

Things were good for a while, we had a lot of common interests and there was a real connection, but after a while things started to get real messy. So much issues and insecurity, which I was more than willing to try and help with.

Sick of being up all night, every night till 3am "convincing" her that I loved her, and accepted her for who she was.

Sick of convincing her that my family and friends did accept her (they really did, not a single fuck was given) and that they weren't always staring and talking behind her back.

Sick of being called a "fag" whenever an argument happened.

Sick of panic attacks and depression.

Sick of no gratitude for anything, and being compared to past "lovers" who had cheated on her and treated her like crap when i didn't.

Sick of being told to "fuck off, fag"

Yeah, just sick in general.

I made a real go at this, but it was such a headfuck, and very very bizzare, when I first met her she lied about being a virgin (i didn't really care) and being "innocent" etc, after a while the cracks and lies started to show, but still I put up with it, she called my parents at 3am the other day to talk to me because i was "getting agressive", all that happened was every time we argue she calls me a "fag" and tells me she could "beat the shit out of me" (serious) which I just laugh at, but this time I was eating a bowl of cereal and had had enough, so literally I just dropped the bowl which smashed on the floor looked her straight in the eye and said "try it then". now, I would have never lifted a finger against her, i would have just let her hit me, whatever but I am sick of being put down and having this fucking issue with testosterone levels, and every time she gets mad, trying to belittle my masculinity, it's BULLSHIT.

Not going back, fuck it she drained all my money too so she can move back in with the parents because i'm the one who pays the fucking rent, bills, food, gives her going out money.

Or go back on fucking cams again, lazy fuck.

SRS

/rant

Keep your headup brother it will get better. You are better of being single than putting up with her bullshit.

[MHarrigan82]

:dancing:
I would have done the same if not worse maybe even more worse atrocious words and behavior, maybe would of have thrown things at you, thats why i don't date and only escort. I hate men that are into trans-women, yet am a trans-woman. Life is so fucking unfair.... the f*gs/bi/confuse are the ones that want to be with us, its a shame....

Jamie you give the decent transwomen bad name. That is why the majority of the guys see transwomen as a fetish and not serious relationship material due to women like you.

[jamiethewild]

:dancing:

Jamie you give the decent transwomen bad name. That is why the majority of the guys see transwomen as a fetish and not serious relationship material due to women like you.

eerrrr, whatever dude ... you very well know the vast of the majority what men want from a TS. Your statement doesn't make sense at all because the fetish was there since the beginning. The treatment with NSA we get from men has been since the beginning. The percentage of men like you that would take a TS seriously is very low, soo whatever. I completely get where his ex-girlfriend is coming from.

Try being a trans-woman in your other life than you would understand where we come from.

[bat1]

yep, I dated one for 6 mos to many head games ... I had to leave I think it's better to just
be gay or straight no in between..Trans women are nice to visit don't won't to live there..

[MdR Dave]

OP, you're better off.

Now, just make more money and buy a new one.

[Infern0]

I would have done the same if not worse maybe even more worse atrocious words and behavior, maybe would of have thrown things at you, thats why i don't date and only escort. I hate men that are into trans-women, yet am a trans-woman. Life is so fucking unfair.... the f*gs/bi/confuse are the ones that want to be with us, its a shame....

Well this is it isn't it. Even though I consider myself straight and would never do anything with a guy, she considers me not straight because I like her, and yet she considers herself a woman (I did too, but if i'm a "fag" for likeing her....)

She needs to sort her fucking life out because it ain't going nowhere except maybe rehab clinic or prison if not the graveyard.

Sorry just being honest, I'm 100% happy with myself, i don't care what she calls me, she just hates herself even though good people try to help her she doesnt want it, she doesnt want to be "understood" she doesn't want to be "accepted" she wants life to be full of drama and some sort of fucking fantasy world.

Well, shove it up your ass love and fuck right off

(to the person who asked did i tell her i was breaking up with her yes, the quote is above, and yes i've already had in 24 hours, 37 text messages from anger to sadness to asking forgivness and all the way back again)

[Yeah]

Wow. Sounds similar to my last relationship with my ex who was a gg.

[magus13]

Hang in dude. Venting is good for the soul. Alot of men women and Ts all have issues. Don't write off all TS because of her. Just leran the warning signs. Good luck.

[fivekatz]

Well this is it isn't it. Even though I consider myself straight and would never do anything with a guy, she considers me not straight because I like her, and yet she considers herself a woman (I did too, but if i'm a "fag" for likeing her....)

She needs to sort her fucking life out because it ain't going nowhere except maybe rehab clinic or prison if not the graveyard.

Sorry just being honest, I'm 100% happy with myself, i don't care what she calls me, she just hates herself even though good people try to help her she doesnt want it, she doesnt want to be "understood" she doesn't want to be "accepted" she wants life to be full of drama and some sort of fucking fantasy world.

Well, shove it up your ass love and fuck right off

(to the person who asked did i tell her i was breaking up with her yes, the quote is above, and yes i've already had in 24 hours, 37 text messages from anger to sadness to asking forgivness and all the way back again)

Give it time to cool off dude. Everything your feeling my stay true with time and cooling but when things are hot they aren't very easy to get a handle on.

A lot of her shit towards you is probably insecurity or whatever but give yourself some space and then figure it out.

[nysprod]

(to the person who asked did i tell her i was breaking up with her yes, the quote is above, and yes i've already had in 24 hours, 37 text messages from anger to sadness to asking forgivness and all the way back again)

These girls are prone to all sorts of goofiness and bitchy behavior...they love testing your manhood by acting like bad little girls...the answer is to pull down her pants and give her a good hard spanking followed by a total pounding...

[jamiethewild]

Well this is it isn't it. Even though I consider myself straight and would never do anything with a guy, she considers me not straight because I like her, and yet she considers herself a woman (I did too, but if i'm a "fag" for likeing her....)

She needs to sort her fucking life out because it ain't going nowhere except maybe rehab clinic or prison if not the graveyard.

Sorry just being honest, I'm 100% happy with myself, i don't care what she calls me, she just hates herself even though good people try to help her she doesnt want it, she doesnt want to be "understood" she doesn't want to be "accepted" she wants life to be full of drama and some sort of fucking fantasy world.

Well, shove it up your ass love and fuck right off

(to the person who asked did i tell her i was breaking up with her yes, the quote is above, and yes i've already had in 24 hours, 37 text messages from anger to sadness to asking forgivness and all the way back again)

Well you can't blame her, you're a hungangels member. That would make me want to call you a fag also.
Other than that you have to let her go because she's not going to change her views on men who date her, same like me. She probably sees and identify herself as woman but can't see a man with her as straight, i get her and know where she's coming from, its hard to understand.

[nysprod]

Well you can't blame her, you're a hungangels member. That would make me want to call you a fag also.
Other than that you have to let her go because she's not going to change her views on men who date her, same like me. She probably sees and identify herself as woman but can't see a man with her as straight, i get her and know where she's coming from, its hard to understand.

As I said, these girls will test you...once you show them who's boss they respond more favorably...

[mmolotov75]

Two sides to every story, trust that I've been in your shoes.when you get some distance you will see that turning a blind eye to bullshit is lying to yourself.

[SXFX]

wow that is seriously fucked up.
hell women are just fucked up.
half the time they want one thing but you are so fucked if you help them get it!

case in point after sex, i never ever bring the girl a tall glass of ice water...nope I just lay there next to her for a half an hour and talk about how thirsty we are......and they love it.

Think about it....30seconds to refreshing ice cold water.....30min of talking about it...
and they want to talk about it?

Case in point here, you are not gay, you are dating her because you see her as a woman and you are attracted to her. But because you are attracted to "her" she thinks you are a fag?

[nysprod]

I'm surprised you guys don't see this...she's been texting him...she's lost the negotiation because she's demonstrated an unwillingness to walk away from the table...she's now begging for a total pounding...my suggestion is that he give it to her...

[fivekatz]

Well you can't blame her, you're a hungangels member. That would make me want to call you a fag also.
Other than that you have to let her go because she's not going to change her views on men who date her, same like me. She probably sees and identify herself as woman but can't see a man with her as straight, i get her and know where she's coming from, its hard to understand.Straight, gay what the heck is it with the labels. Maybe some people can become interested in another person because they are if we have to use a label they are, "bi-curious" and find that a woman with a penis is a comfortable way to explore bi-curious.

Somewhere in that journey isn't just possible jamiethewild that a man might find himself in love with a human being?

Hell I have no idea what is going on with this couple but I certainly don't think that any transexual woman should call a man a fag because he is willing to accept her. And besides it is just shitty bigoted language just like the "n" word or when people call me a heb or a shenny or a nike.

Now people say things in anger when they are in love which is why I tell the OP just to let it all chill but calling a man that accepts your transition a faggot is fucked up and I am actual sorry you understand people treating other people with indignity and like shit.

Sorry but if the OP's story is 75% true his girlfriend became very pissed off at him and did and said things she should and hopefully will regret. He seems to love her enough to post here about it ( or maybe I am naive) but I wish them the best and I would hope that girls that don't choose SRS can find people they can share their lives with that accept them.

[jamiethewild]

Straight, gay what the heck is it with the labels. Maybe some people can become interested in another person because they are if we have to use a label they are, "bi-curious" and find that a woman with a penis is a comfortable way to explore bi-curious.

Somewhere in that journey isn't just possible jamiethewild that a man might find himself in love with a human being?

Hell I have no idea what is going on with this couple but I certainly don't think that any transexual woman should call a man a fag because he is willing to accept her. And besides it is just shitty bigoted language just like the "n" word or when people call me a heb or a shenny or a nike.

Now people say things in anger when they are in love which is why I tell the OP just to let it all chill but calling a man that accepts your transition a faggot is fucked up and I am actual sorry you understand people treating other people with indignity and like shit.


Sorry but if the OP's story is 75% true his girlfriend became very pissed off at him and did and said things she should and hopefully will regret. He seems to love her enough to post here about it ( or maybe I am naive) but I wish them the best and I would hope that girls that don't choose SRS can find people they can share their lives with that accept them.

Srry you don't understand why i would treat like man shit if his into transexuals. So i support her and applaud her for her behavior, she's taking her anger out and that's always healthy. She's taking her frustrations and thats healthy also. I support her at 100% what she did.

Like i said, try being a trans-woman in your other life.

Seriously, are you that incomprehensible towards women like us that desire SRS. How can be sooo lame to say " well i just hope girls accept themselves for who they are." look am not going to bring a controversial topic back but get your facts straight here. You sound soo naive. i will get a vagina wether cocksucker likes it or not.

[fivekatz]

Srry you don't understand why i would treat like man shit if his into transexuals. So i support her and applaud her for her behavior, she's taking her anger out and that's always healthy. She's taking her frustrations and thats healthy also. I support her at 100% what she did.

Like i said, try being a trans-woman in your other life.

Seriously, are you that incomprehensible towards women like us that desire SRS. How can be sooo lame to say " well i just hope girls accept themselves for who they are." look am not going to bring a controversial topic back but get your facts straight here. You sound soo naive. i will get a vagina wether cocksucker likes it or not.Jamie, in a ll due respect while we are only hearing on side of this conversation, this isn't about a guy objecting to his TS GF wanting to have an SRS.

It sounds like every time shit went bad in their relationship, whether it was because somebody did not put the cap back on the toothpaste or put the toilet seat down that this dudes GF decided the best way to cut him down was to call him a faggot etc.

It is unpleasant behavior at best and frankly a weird way to treat a guy who accepted this woman's decision that being born a man was not her destiny.

From what you are saying basically no man should ever accept a woman with penis as a mate in life and that if he does so it is a sure indication he is gay.

There was nothing in this post where this guy said they arguments over his GF going through SRS. I think SRS is great for TS it is after all a completion of a circle of discovery. It sounded a lot more like they just had issues and she beat him up verbally for being willing to accept her as a woman with a penis, rather than a rejection of her desire to SRS. If I missed that in my sped reading than I stand corrected because any TS who wants to finish the circle should, but I read it differently. I read it as a guy who was pussy whipped by his GF for being a cock hound because he accepted her as a woman with cock.

Did I misread it?

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

O

Things were good for a while, we had a lot of common interests and there was a real connection, but after a while things started to get real messy. So much issues and insecurity, which I was more than willing to try and help with.

Sick of being up all night, every night till 3am "convincing" her that I loved her, and accepted her for who she was.

Sick of convincing her that my family and friends did accept her (they really did, not a single fuck was given) and that they weren't always staring and talking behind her back.

Sick of being called a "fag" whenever an argument happened.

Sick of panic attacks and depression.

Sick of no gratitude for anything, and being compared to past "lovers" who had cheated on her and treated her like crap when i didn't.

Sick of being told to "fuck off, fag"

Yeah, just sick in general.

I made a real go at this, but it was such a headfuck, and very very bizzare, when I first met her she lied about being a virgin (i didn't really care) and being "innocent" etc, after a while the cracks and lies started to show, but still I put up with it, she called my parents at 3am the other day to talk to me because i was "getting agressive", all that happened was every time we argue she calls me a "fag" and tells me she could "beat the shit out of me" (serious) which I just laugh at, but this time I was eating a bowl of cereal and had had enough, so literally I just dropped the bowl which smashed on the floor looked her straight in the eye and said "try it then". now, I would have never lifted a finger against her, i would have just let her hit me, whatever but I am sick of being put down and having this fucking issue with testosterone levels, and every time she gets mad, trying to belittle my masculinity, it's BULLSHIT.

Not going back, fuck it she drained all my money too so she can move back in with the parents because i'm the one who pays the fucking rent, bills, food, gives her going out money.

Or go back on fucking cams again, lazy fuck.

SRS

/rantOkay I've read all your problems but what are hers....?

[jamiethewild]

Jamie, in a ll due respect while we are only hearing on side of this conversation, this isn't about a guy objecting to his TS GF wanting to have an SRS.

It sounds like every time shit went bad in their relationship, whether it was because somebody did not put the cap back on the toothpaste or put the toilet seat down that this dudes GF decided the best way to cut him down was to call him a faggot etc.

It is unpleasant behavior at best and frankly a weird way to treat a guy who accepted this woman's decision that being born a man was not her destiny.

From what you are saying basically no man should ever accept a woman with penis as a mate in life and that if he does so it is a sure indication he is gay.

There was nothing in this post where this guy said they arguments over his GF going through SRS. I think SRS is great for TS it is after all a completion of a circle of discovery. It sounded a lot more like they just had issues and she beat him up verbally for being willing to accept her as a woman with a penis, rather than a rejection of her desire to SRS. If I missed that in my sped reading than I stand corrected because any TS who wants to finish the circle should, but I read it differently. I read it as a guy who was pussy whipped by his GF for being a cock hound because he accepted her as a woman with cock.

Did I misread it?

I know this isn't about a guy objecting to his TS GF wanting to have an SRS. You were the one that changed the topic by saying "I wish them the best and I would hope that girls that don't choose SRS can find people they can share their lives with that accept them." Really ?

She's right on calling him a faggot ... I support her.... maybe some of his mannerisms are quite faggoty...

I quote you:
" From what you are saying basically no man should ever accept a woman with penis as a mate in life and that if he does so it is a sure indication he is gay."

No am not saying his gay, he might be gay, bi or confuse. But gay sounds more better when you want to take your anger out. But definitely his not a straight man, IMO. Also, it might depend on what type of sex they engage on during their relationship that might of provoke her to call him gay. IDK ... but i get why she would call him gay, i would probably do the same.

[Merkurie]

Calling someone a fag at this point is just comical.
If he were gay, he would be with a man -- no?

[fivekatz]

I know this isn't about a guy objecting to his TS GF wanting to have an SRS. You were the one that changed the topic by saying "I wish them the best and I would hope that girls that don't choose SRS can find people they can share their lives with that accept them." Really ?

She's right on calling him a faggot ... I support her.... maybe some of his mannerisms are quite faggoty...

I quote you:
" From what you are saying basically no man should ever accept a woman with penis as a mate in life and that if he does so it is a sure indication he is gay."

No am not saying his gay, he might be gay, bi or confuse. But gay sounds more better when you want to take your anger out. But definitely his not a straight man, IMO. Also, it might depend on what type of sex they engage on during their relationship that might of provoke her to call him gay. IDK ... but i get why she would call him gay, i would probably do the same.
I have bolded two things I wish to respond to.

From the best I can understand and have learned so far some trans-women do not wish to have SRS either because of monetary short falls or fear that they will no longer be able to enjoy sex after the procedure. Therefore my statement that girls who do not wish to choose SRS can accept men who accept them.

Your after statement about him being quite faggoty, baffle me. Not only am I not sure how you were able to come to that conclusion from the angry rants of a jilted lover, but the language sucks. Faggoty is offensive. Kike and Mick and Nigger are offensive. If you mean to say the guy sound fem just say so.

And yeah I get gay sound better than bi want you want to take your anger out by the way. And any man that can accept a TS woman pre-op is IMHO bi-sexual which in the world of labels may be weird but what the hell is so bad about being open to all humans and not bound by societies conventions?

At any rate this poor dude probably didn't need to be called a faggot for what ever his short comings were in that relationship and that woman should not castrate a guy verbally no matter what her greviances are because he was willing to accept her transition.

Jamie you may be right, I may be naive but maybe you are a bit jaded?

[jamiethewild]

Your after statement about him being quite faggoty, baffle me. Not only am I not sure how you were able to come to that conclusion from the angry rants of a jilted lover, but the language sucks. Faggoty is offensive. Kike and Mick and Nigger are offensive. If you mean to say the guy sound fem just say so.

And yeah I get gay sound better than bi want you want to take your anger out by the way. And any man that can accept a TS woman pre-op is IMHO bi-sexual which in the world of labels may be weird but what the hell is so bad about being open to all humans and not bound by societies conventions?

At any rate this poor dude probably didn't need to be called a faggot for what ever his short comings were in that relationship and that woman should not castrate a guy verbally no matter what her greviances are because he was willing to accept her transition.

Jamie you may be right, I may be naive but maybe you are a bit jaded?


Your putting words into my mouth, i never said he had faggoty mannerisms, i said he might IDK am just assuming why she called him a faggot. Srry, but stop with this bs.

Like i said, she called him a faggot because at the moment of anger she probably did see him as faggot and that word help her release anger.... I get get it ... HE probably did deserve it ? i want to hear her story ... theres always two sides of the story in an argument or relationship.

I won't neglect that am jaded just a bit lol

[giovanni_hotel]

Calling someone a fag at this point is just comical.
If he were gay, he would be with a man -- no?


No matter what they say, many trans-women deep down don't really consider themselves women. That's why many of them have so much self-hatred and project that onto their partners.

The OP's GF despite her problems just wasn't the type of person who should be in an intimate relationship with anyone else. She's too immature.

When a TS says she considers men interested in her without SRS to be gay or 'not straight', why the fuck would any dude even go there??

What sucks is there's no way to really know what a particular trans-girl thinks privately about herself (and you) until you get involved with her.

Not all girls think like Jamie and the OP's ex. But too many of them do unfortunately.

It's just shocking to me to realize that some of the most virulent gay bigots are TRANSWOMEN.

Just weird shit all the way around.

I hope the OP keeps an open mind. A lot of TS sorry to say are certifiably loco, but there are some really cool chicks out here too.

Hope he meets one.

[StlyeMeCunty]

Not going back, fuck it she drained all my money too so she can move back in with the parents because i'm the one who pays the fucking rent, bills, food, gives her going out money.

Or go back on fucking cams again, lazy fuck.

SRS

/rant

Well Damn!

[StlyeMeCunty]

I would have done the same if not worse maybe even more worse atrocious words and behavior, maybe would of have thrown things at you, thats why i don't date and only escort. I hate men that are into trans-women, yet am a trans-woman. Life is so fucking unfair.... the f*gs/bi/confuse are the ones that want to be with us, its a shame....

Ummmm... this sounds just a lil bit crazy dear.

[StlyeMeCunty]

The majority of transwomen are crazy as fuck, hence why I rarely associate with them. If the man is dating you, and he says he cares about you then hes telling the truth. Men don't tell lies like that unless they are starting to feel trapped and unhappy, and this man was clearly not trapped and free to leave. Men don't put in as much thought as girls do, and he is certainly not making shit up if he is carrying your ass through life. End of story!

[caliuncut]

Srry you don't understand why i would treat like man shit if his into transexuals. So i support her and applaud her for her behavior, she's taking her anger out and that's always healthy. She's taking her frustrations and thats healthy also. I support her at 100% what she did.

Like i said, try being a trans-woman in your other life.

Seriously, are you that incomprehensible towards women like us that desire SRS. How can be sooo lame to say " well i just hope girls accept themselves for who they are." look am not going to bring a controversial topic back but get your facts straight here. You sound soo naive. i will get a vagina wether cocksucker likes it or not.

Jamie, I find this hard to say to another person but I've read so much of your garbage on this forum I don't hesitate to say that you are a piece of shit. You are a fail at being a decent human being and are the embodiment of what is wrong with humanity in general.

Perhaps one day, probably when you are old and gray if ever you'll realize your shitty views on the world were the reason you were never able to find happiness in the love of another.

[caliuncut]

These girls are prone to all sorts of goofiness and bitchy behavior...they love testing your manhood by acting like bad little girls...the answer is to pull down her pants and give her a good hard spanking followed by a total pounding...

Ok broski...this is his real life, not your porno fantasy...lol

[jamiethewild]

Jamie, I find this hard to say to another person but I've read so much of your garbage on this forum I don't hesitate to say that you are a piece of shit. You are a fail at being a decent human being and are the embodiment of what is wrong with humanity in general.

Perhaps one day, probably when you are old and gray if ever you'll realize your shitty views on the world were the reason you were never able to find happiness in the love of another.

You're a piece of shit as well moron...

Look at you degrading me on why i won't have happiness but also look at yourself, your life sucks worst because you depend on providers to provide you with sex that's just sad. Thats a happiness you have to buy... STFU and look at your mistakes... Don't tell me what kind of human am i either... when you're probably much worst. You sick pig...

[jamiethewild]

ummmm... This sounds just a lil bit crazy dear.

we all have opinons in this world

some are goood

some just are bad

let it be... for what it is we all would learn from our mistakes or misjudgements ...

[Bunzee]

for some reason quite a few of TS women i've met are bitter and mean, i don't really know why ... but not all

[caliuncut]

we all have opinons in this world

some are goood

some just are bad

let it be... for what it is we all would learn from our mistakes or misjudgements ...

Ever notice how all your posts are filled with a mix of hate and the logic of a 12 yr old?

When the vast majority of your posts are strongly disagreed with by a multitude of people perhaps its time to realize that your opinions rank as the bad ones of the world.

[caliuncut]

You're a piece of shit as well moron...

Look at you degrading me on why i won't have happiness but also look at yourself, your life sucks worst because you depend on providers to provide you with sex that's just sad. Thats a happiness you have to buy... STFU and look at your mistakes... Don't tell me what kind of human am i either... when you're probably much worst. You sick pig...


Hit a nerve did I? I guess it doesn't feel so good when someone is mean or disrespectful to you does it? Wake up.

[jamiethewild]

Ever notice how all your posts are filled with a mix of hate and the logic of a 12 yr old?

When the vast majority of your posts are strongly disagreed with by a multitude of people perhaps its time to realize that your opinions rank as the bad ones of the world.

LMFAO .... whatever dude if that logic makes you happy go ahead ... 12 yr old logic hahaha ...

Or is maybe it ranks bad because its called denial and don't want to hear the truth... rank don't matter to me.....rank bad or thumbs down it all you want .. :party:

[jamiethewild]

Hit a nerve did I? I guess it doesn't feel so good when someone is mean or disrespectful to you does it? Wake up.

Nope didn't hurt a nerve at all.... you don't know my life .... so if you think you hit a nerve keep thinking it LOL

I am actually very happy in my life at the moment... xo

[Fancy fancy]

you are cute



Ummmm... this sounds just a lil bit crazy dear.

[Infern0]

Srry you don't understand why i would treat like man shit if his into transexuals. So i support her and applaud her for her behavior, she's taking her anger out and that's always healthy. She's taking her frustrations and thats healthy also. I support her at 100% what she did.

Like i said, try being a trans-woman in your other life.

Seriously, are you that incomprehensible towards women like us that desire SRS. How can be sooo lame to say " well i just hope girls accept themselves for who they are." look am not going to bring a controversial topic back but get your facts straight here. You sound soo naive. i will get a vagina wether cocksucker likes it or not.

In that case enjoy forever alone, because people are going to wise upto it.

I am not being treated like that, I do understand the strugles but it's on you to treat people the way you want to be treated.

Since i'm not into rampaging and abuse i'm outta there

[Infern0]

Oh and BTW, i dunno where SRS came into it, but thats something she was thinking of down the line and yes, I was fully supportive of whatever decision she made, whatever is right for her was what she should do.

Jamie whatever your name is, and your "faggotry mannerisms" can take a hike, i'm all man yeah and i'm proud of that, I like women full stop, i do take that to include TS women, it doesn't matter to me, but until certain TS girls like you get over this need to label everything and justify your own insecurities, you are never going to be able to be truly happy, this is just the way it is. It starts at home, if you insist on calling any guy that likes you a "faggot" then you got some real issues and I suggest you get them seen to.

[dderek123]

Yeah, when a relationship gets unhealthy, for whatever reasons, it can change in to a weird game of manipulating each other as a means to get what you want out of the partnership. Sounds like a good time to move on.

[Prospero]

The way Jamie spells out her view suggests it is damn nigh impossible for a serious relationship to happen between a man and a pre-op transexual. So she meets an attractive man. She keeps her gender identity secret?. For how long? Until she is sure the guy is into her? He meanwhile wonders why she refuses to allow a sexual relationship to develop. Then he finds out. He freaks or he may be cool. An immediate possibility of hurt for either side But perhaps before that point he wonders about her anyway - why she is so cool about him for so long? It's a barrier to a relationship. On the other hand if he knows she is transgendered then for her, he can only be seen as a fag. Tough for both sides IMHO. In her view NO man attracted to a transgendered woman is interested in her for any reason other than her cock. Couldn't human relationships and sexuality be a wee bit more complex than that. yes - the guy is attracted to girls sexually who are pre-op, but perhaps he is also attracted to more than that. Like in the wider world some guys like blondes, some like brunettes. But can get back and past that on the strength of personality. So a guy whose point of entry into a relationship is the fact that this hot girl also has the sexual apparatus that really turns him on cannot be allowed to love her for herself alongside this bioigical fact. He has to be branded a fag? That seems to have been the plight of Infern0.

I am sorry to hear of his story. Sorry he felt that he had to come here to pour out his angst and anger. (Maybe in his real world the people he'd talk to would or do harbour prejudices that build a barrier between a sympathetic ear and prejudice).

But I am also sorry to read such a bleak viewpoint as that expressed by Jamie - where she may never be loved for herself because she will automatically reject those who are drawn to her sexually - without giving a chance to see if alongside that deeper feelings are possible.

[fuckstudent]

I think you are better off without such person. If somebody is so crazy and closeminded at such main thing as sexual orientation (and somebody from which you would expect this the most), how can you expect it to be normal and mature enough in other more deep aspects of a relationship? Doesn't go together unfortunately, at least not for a longtime relationship. This is hillarious, T-girl calling a men gay for liking t-girls. I wouldn't be with such a girl.

Yes, probably it's just her defensive mechanism, because she has nothing else bad say to you and this is the only thing left. But anyway, just shows how little respect there is for a partner.

[Teydyn]

I am actually very happy in my life at the moment... xo
THIS is you being HAPPY?


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Whatever...

[Bribi]

How come TS like the word "fag"?
It's the first insult Dita Dior can shout.
How come?
I've never heard a black guy shouting "nigger" when he's pissed!

I mean, "fag" is a very insulting way of saying "gay". Most TS are gay (maybe some only goes with girls).

I can't understand that.

For your story, it's like with girls, you probably were with the wrong one. Maybe she was that way, but it doesn't necessarily means all TS are like her

[nysprod]

Ok broski...this is his real life, not your porno fantasy...lol

Lol...I'm telling you, it's the best way to handle these situations...the only drawback is that it doesn't end their bitchy behavior because they end up loving what happens so much!

[Willie Escalade]

Beating a dead horse...damned if you do; damned if you don't...

To each their own.

[Stavros]

It is hard to know the precise details of any relationship, and we have only one side of it from inferno -my question would be did the gf have a job or something useful to occupy her day? I have come across accounts of failed relationships before on the web (some may recall the Chompoo story) and often the girl is either unwilling to work, or for some reason cannot find a job, and maybe doesn't want to study, but still has needs, like shopping, and that is where a lot of resentment can fill the gap created by boredom or some other flaw that most couples find a way of repairing.

Transexuals are not generally any more crazy than any other kind of woman -or man for that matter; some may be, I have met some who were erratic and incoherent; others I have met run their own business, and are no more dysfunctional than I am. It is a pity when relationships break down, but it is hard to judge the causes when there could be so many -but fundamentally, transexuals who do not have a job, or some sort of career, or who study, or write or paint, or do something other than obsess about their gender status are more liable to be difficult. Being crazy is not a consequence of gender issues, there are plenty of nutters around.

[FemboisDaddy]

Things were good for a while, we had a lot of common interests and there was a real connection, but after a while things started to get real messy. So much issues and insecurity, which I was more than willing to try and help with.

Sick of being up all night, every night till 3am "convincing" her that I loved her, and accepted her for who she was.

Sick of convincing her that my family and friends did accept her (they really did, not a single fuck was given) and that they weren't always staring and talking behind her back.

Sick of being called a "fag" whenever an argument happened.

Sick of panic attacks and depression.

Sick of no gratitude for anything, and being compared to past "lovers" who had cheated on her and treated her like crap when i didn't.

Sick of being told to "fuck off, fag"

Yeah, just sick in general.

I made a real go at this, but it was such a headfuck, and very very bizzare, when I first met her she lied about being a virgin (i didn't really care) and being "innocent" etc, after a while the cracks and lies started to show, but still I put up with it, she called my parents at 3am the other day to talk to me because i was "getting agressive", all that happened was every time we argue she calls me a "fag" and tells me she could "beat the shit out of me" (serious) which I just laugh at, but this time I was eating a bowl of cereal and had had enough, so literally I just dropped the bowl which smashed on the floor looked her straight in the eye and said "try it then". now, I would have never lifted a finger against her, i would have just let her hit me, whatever but I am sick of being put down and having this fucking issue with testosterone levels, and every time she gets mad, trying to belittle my masculinity, it's BULLSHIT.

Not going back, fuck it she drained all my money too so she can move back in with the parents because i'm the one who pays the fucking rent, bills, food, gives her going out money.

Or go back on fucking cams again, lazy fuck.

SRS

/rant
Sounds bad! How long have you been a couple?

[Quiet Reflections]

good luck to you friend, relationships are a lot of work and sometimes don't pay off.

[LongTom101]

I would have done the same if not worse maybe even more worse atrocious words and behavior, maybe would of have thrown things at you, thats why i don't date and only escort. I hate men that are into trans-women, yet am a trans-woman. Life is so fucking unfair.... the f*gs/bi/confuse are the ones that want to be with us, its a shame....

Are you really the self pitying, blame everyone except yourself for all your problems (especially the obvious psychological ones), man hating (as if we give a shit), life wasting, egotistical, self centred loser that you paint yourself out to be ??.........or were you really joking ??

:salad

[Castor_Troy05]

Sorry to hear you had a bad time dude. The best thing out of this thread is that fuckhole jamie being added to everyones ignore lists. What a bitch

[dabaldone]

I would have done the same if not worse maybe even more worse atrocious words and behavior, maybe would of have thrown things at you, thats why i don't date and only escort. I hate men that are into trans-women, yet am a trans-woman. Life is so fucking unfair.... the f*gs/bi/confuse are the ones that want to be with us, its a shame....

And there we have it! This post is indicative of a self-hating trans-woman. Even as an escort, she's dealing with men who are into trans-women. Wow...just wow!:hide-1:

[LongTom101]

Sounds like an utter nightmare and you have my sympathies.

Walking away (probably forever) from her sounds like the best move

Although this could just as likely have happened with a gg as with a trans woman as TS's dont have the monopoly on gross insecurity.

So I wouldnt let this awful episode (nor the pathetic, self pitying and childishly hateful drivel posted by jamiethewild) taint your opinions of relationships with trans women in the future

[nysprod]

So how do things stand at this point...the op said she was texting him...

[alyssaluxor]

Wow this is just so sad!

No comment until ive heard the side of the TS girl

From my experience its always the guys(TS admirer/chasers) who played games, bullshits, lied and take advantage of me the reason I ended up as an escort. At least now im getting paid and saving for the future

[sheyum]

wow this shit is heavy
dont know why--but I NEVER get over the absurdity and irony of the T-girl--calling the GUY a fag.!

It seems to be quite prevalent among trans women
and its just SO weird...

Sorry--but its a no-brainer at that point

any woman who thinks/feels that way--is beyond hope (at least for the moment--without serious help--self/reflection)

RUN--dont walk--from that relationship..

Its true whats being said here..we DONT know the other side of the story.
but the guy seems pretty cool..and generally accepting of the girl

and by the way..this Jamie chick--is s seriously fucked in the head..its frightening..

[peorth]

I do not know what really happened between you but, I'm sorry that your relationship didn't work as guys like you who are open about liking TS to friends and family are very very rare. I have always wanted a relationship but like, others say men just use us, well most of them anyway.

My advice is don't give up and you will find the right girl :).

[Janna_b]

Although this could just as likely have happened with a gg as with a trans woman as TS's dont have the monopoly on gross insecurity.

I couldn't agree more with you, my brother is married to an x model who's 5'9 and a size zero with bigger implants then mine who is just as insecure as the OP's x is and constantly telling him how ugly she is and doesn't know why he's with her and refuses to let him see her naked. She's half Italian/White and has natural olive skin and can easily go without makeup and still look stunning yet refuses to leave the house unless she totally made up.

To the OP I commend you for your openness to date a TS woman in the first place and respect you even more for standing up for yourself in such a bad relationship. Most just settle and remain miserable.

[Odelay]

Hey Infern0,

Thanks for posting your story. I realize there are plenty of ways to interpret it as we see by the replies, but based on your own replies, you seem like a stand up guy. I think stories like this should be told on Hung Angels. I don't think I have to remind you that there have been guys who have come on here and told stories of good relationships that they have/had with T-girls.

Best of luck, wherever you go or whatever you choose to do next.

[jamiethewild]

"LongTomdickhead101" and "sheyum" eat your own shit mofos.... transphobic pricks...

And all you guys need to get fuckin over it, people have their own opinions of the matter...

It always sounds soooo good when the man is the victim but let me hear her side. Most probably sure both were at fault or maybe him more than her actually...

Prospero, you're a wise man, thanks for your post made me have respect for you....xoxo

and the rest of you go fuck yourself's morons, fucking live in your own misery of F*g fetishes because i guarantee you most trans-women would degrade you for them....

[jamiethewild]

Are you really the self pitying, blame everyone except yourself for all your problems (especially the obvious psychological ones), man hating (as if we give a shit), life wasting, egotistical, self centred loser that you paint yourself out to be ??.........or were you really joking ??

:salad

Get your facts straight here the only fucking loser here in this forum is you moron, with your loser experiences. Stop putting your shit in my porch, trans- hating (as if we give a shit), life wasting, egotistical, self centred loser.....
Assrat Loser

[nysprod]

Wow this is just so sad!

No comment until ive heard the side of the TS girl

From my experience its always the guys(TS admirer/chasers) who played games, bullshits, lied and take advantage of me the reason I ended up as an escort. At least now im getting paid and saving for the future

So what you're saying is that if not for guys playing games with you, you wouldn't be escorting?

[LibertyHarkness]

move on from it inferno .. plenty more people around to date etc .. just avoid the people that are fucked up within themselves ..

Thing with relationships some work some dont . and people change as time goes on sometimes for worse or for better .. its all an experience ..

[elchingon8]

Its tough being in that cycle of abuse. I know you have really good intentions but if she is not being receptive you have to let go. It's easy coming from our perspective. Hope everything goes well.

[ed_jaxon]

Some of the wisest advice I ever received was never get involved with someone who has more problems than you do.

In a relationship you are not there to fix the person, fully take care of the person or do for the person what they really should be doing for themselves. Shit always happens but if you are doing this from jump street you have a major issue.

Too often we accept bad behavior because we like the person, feel bad for the person or have a pathological need to be needed.

Never, ever settle for a pretty, needy person. You will resent them in the end.

[BigBlackMan]

She's a tranny. They all act this way. Just get a GG

[Foggy]

She's a tranny. They all act this way. Just get a GG

Yeah...GG's are a little less evil.

[nysprod]

She's a tranny. They all act this way. Just get a GG

He's one of us...he digs trans girls and when he goes gg, he's still gonna want a trans, so he'll have that issue to deal with.

[Foggy]

Nobody should have to put up with that bullshit.

Hit the road bitch.

[LongTom101]

"LongTomdickhead101" and "sheyum" eat your own shit mofos.... transphobic pricks...

And all you guys need to get fuckin over it, people have their own opinions of the matter...

It always sounds soooo good when the man is the victim but let me hear her side. Most probably sure both were at fault or maybe him more than her actually...

Prospero, you're a wise man, thanks for your post made me have respect for you....xoxo

and the rest of you go fuck yourself's morons, fucking live in your own misery of F*g fetishes because i guarantee you most trans-women would degrade you for them....

With each post you reveal yourself as the self centred, hateful, childish little brat that you clearly are

It'd be funny if it wasnt so tragic........instead its just pitiful

(but still quite funny)

[MrsKellyPierce]

Sounds like she needs counseling like many girls who need counseling..

Many girls skip it, cause they think they already "know they are female" don't need to be told, but it really helps.

And it helps find yourself inside...

[Prospero]

Jamie - thanks for praising my "wisdom", but did you really read and understand the element directed at you? I expressed sadness for you in it - for the closed attitude you express that precludes any possibility of emotional involvement with anyone who accepts you for what you are - a transgendered woman. You have a almost impossible position for guy to get past.

[jamiethewild]

Jamie - thanks for praising my "wisdom", but did you really read and understand the element directed at you? I expressed sadness for you in it - for the closed attitude you express that precludes any possibility of emotional involvement with anyone who accepts you for what you are - a transgendered woman. You have a almost impossible position for guy to get past.


I said thanks for your sadness (lol) and the way you explained it, it made sense as an explanation. You phrase it in a wise manner on why i won't be loved in life and you might be right, who knows. I won't deny it, am a hard-cookie .lol

[jerryvette]

i dont post here much but i been reading this thread and want to add to it,i have dated many tranny's over the years and yes they do seem to have alot of the same problems as each other but thats to be expected,right now im dating a girl that is highly reviewed on this forum,it takes alot to be in a relationship with anyone but believe me it takes a great deal of patients and understanding to date a transexual let alone an escort,i totally understand the frustration of the original poster of this thread,but let me just say before you decide to never see her again try thinking about sum of the good things about her,the first time you seen her how it felt,the first kiss,waking up with her next to you in the morning,how beautiful you think she is,im not saying to anyone to stay in a bad relationship im just saying take sum time to think of the good times,maybe tell her you and her need to take a break,a few days apart to calm down and both of you get your feelings straight,women are hard enough for men to figure out,transexual women are no different, no one is perfect no relationship is gonna be perfect ,i hope it works out for you both.

[dabaldone]

Sounds like she needs counseling like many girls who need counseling..

Many girls skip it, cause they think they already "know they are female" don't need to be told, but it really helps.

And it helps find yourself inside...

Please say it again!

[dabaldone]

Jamie - thanks for praising my "wisdom", but did you really read and understand the element directed at you? I expressed sadness for you in it - for the closed attitude you express that precludes any possibility of emotional involvement with anyone who accepts you for what you are - a transgendered woman. You have a almost impossible position for guy to get past.

I don't think she really understands what you meant.

[jamiethewild]

I don't think she really understands what you meant.

STFU moron, i just said i did get. dumbfuck

[blckhaze]

Sounds like its her issue, not alltransgirls everywhere.
sucks but some girls get lied to, beaten up emotionally and physically, and overall ignored as lifelong partners, they begin to believe its the truth and act as such. Cant say give up onall tranny dating but soundsliek you won the breakup because shesdamn surenot gonna findmany other dudes to put up with her bullsht.

[MHarrigan82]

I am currently dating a transwoman at the moment we have arguments just like my genetic girlfriends in the past. Not once has she called me a fag when we have our arguments and disagreements. Not all transwoman are batshit crazy like Jamiethewild, StraightTricker who was banned last week. Kelly Shore, Amberski, Michelle Austin all seem like very cool intelligent transwomen.

[Cannotresist6]

Good luck bro your story is powerful.

[fivekatz]

Your putting words into my mouth, i never said he had faggoty mannerisms, i said he might IDK am just assuming why she called him a faggot. Srry, but stop with this bs.

Like i said, she called him a faggot because at the moment of anger she probably did see him as faggot and that word help her release anger.... I get get it ... HE probably did deserve it ? i want to hear her story ... theres always two sides of the story in an argument or relationship.

I won't neglect that am jaded just a bit lolAll I did was highlight your post, not put words in your mouth.

Now it doesn't take a 6 year old to figure out that TS girls that are pre-op have figured out that calling a dude a faggot is way to cut him to the quick.

Yes there are two sides to a story but seldom is the pain inflicted by one party enough to just justify taking the shortest, meanest route to counter attack, and certainly not when and if this dude had accepted his girl as a girl and their issues were about the shit all couples go through.

At any rate you are defending a pretty indefensible point, using the word faggot is socially regressive.

At any rate this guy should move on from using this forum for advice and now that things are cooling down he will be able to find his own perspective on whether this was a major speed bump in their relationship or the end of it.

[Genetic]

StraightTricker who was banned last week.

I missed that, but thank fuck. That was one stupid stupid woman.

[StlyeMeCunty]

\ Most TS are gay...

You dear are misinformed about what truly being a transwoman means.

[StlyeMeCunty]

Wow this is just so sad!

No comment until ive heard the side of the TS girl

From my experience its always the guys(TS admirer/chasers) who played games, bullshits, lied and take advantage of me the reason I ended up as an escort. At least now im getting paid and saving for the future

This excuse is just used to place blame on someone other than yourself for your CHOICE to be an escort. Men didn't make you an escort, as you have total control over what you're doing.

[be2378]

That sucks guy, find someone that makes the world go around better with many things in common, and it ends.

[tsdvdman]

This excuse is just used to place blame on someone other than yourself for your CHOICE to be an escort. Men didn't make you an escort, as you have total control over what you're doing.
I really like this comment Thank You!!..:iagree:

[tsadriana]

Things were good for a while, we had a lot of common interests and there was a real connection, but after a while things started to get real messy. So much issues and insecurity, which I was more than willing to try and help with.

Sick of being up all night, every night till 3am "convincing" her that I loved her, and accepted her for who she was.

Sick of convincing her that my family and friends did accept her (they really did, not a single fuck was given) and that they weren't always staring and talking behind her back.

Sick of being called a "fag" whenever an argument happened.

Sick of panic attacks and depression.

Sick of no gratitude for anything, and being compared to past "lovers" who had cheated on her and treated her like crap when i didn't.

Sick of being told to "fuck off, fag"

Yeah, just sick in general.

I made a real go at this, but it was such a headfuck, and very very bizzare, when I first met her she lied about being a virgin (i didn't really care) and being "innocent" etc, after a while the cracks and lies started to show, but still I put up with it, she called my parents at 3am the other day to talk to me because i was "getting agressive", all that happened was every time we argue she calls me a "fag" and tells me she could "beat the shit out of me" (serious) which I just laugh at, but this time I was eating a bowl of cereal and had had enough, so literally I just dropped the bowl which smashed on the floor looked her straight in the eye and said "try it then". now, I would have never lifted a finger against her, i would have just let her hit me, whatever but I am sick of being put down and having this fucking issue with testosterone levels, and every time she gets mad, trying to belittle my masculinity, it's BULLSHIT.

Not going back, fuck it she drained all my money too so she can move back in with the parents because i'm the one who pays the fucking rent, bills, food, gives her going out money.

Or go back on fucking cams again, lazy fuck.

SRS

/rant
Why this story is familiar to me?Been there done that ...

[bluesoul]

The way Jamie spells out her view suggests it is damn nigh impossible for a serious relationship to happen between a man and a pre-op transexual. So she meets an attractive man. She keeps her gender identity secret?. For how long? Until she is sure the guy is into her? He meanwhile wonders why she refuses to allow a sexual relationship to develop. Then he finds out. He freaks or he may be cool. An immediate possibility of hurt for either side But perhaps before that point he wonders about her anyway - why she is so cool about him for so long? It's a barrier to a relationship. On the other hand if he knows she is transgendered then for her, he can only be seen as a fag. Tough for both sides IMHO. In her view NO man attracted to a transgendered woman is interested in her for any reason other than her cock. Couldn't human relationships and sexuality be a wee bit more complex than that. yes - the guy is attracted to girls sexually who are pre-op, but perhaps he is also attracted to more than that. Like in the wider world some guys like blondes, some like brunettes. But can get back and past that on the strength of personality. So a guy whose point of entry into a relationship is the fact that this hot girl also has the sexual apparatus that really turns him on cannot be allowed to love her for herself alongside this bioigical fact. He has to be branded a fag? That seems to have been the plight of Infern0.

I am sorry to hear of his story. Sorry he felt that he had to come here to pour out his angst and anger. (Maybe in his real world the people he'd talk to would or do harbour prejudices that build a barrier between a sympathetic ear and prejudice).

But I am also sorry to read such a bleak viewpoint as that expressed by Jamie - where she may never be loved for herself because she will automatically reject those who are drawn to her sexually - without giving a chance to see if alongside that deeper feelings are possible.

i'm curious as to why no sadness was expressed to the chasers who may fall for jamie or any other transsexual that subscribes to her viewpoints.

the reason i say this is because, perhaps that may be the very reason why such view points exist in the first place.

and coincidentally, i find jamie's viewpoint actually makes a lot of sense.

[Infern0]

Cheers for the responses and that guys.

Hey a few things, first off this shit is no way exclusive to TS, as i've said in the past, I have dated and am open to date GG or TS, i'm not a cock fetishist so it's all good for me, I like attractive women, i find many TS to be some of the most attractive but it's not an exclusive thing. Hey insecurity runs in a lot of people especially can understand for TS they have a lot of struggles to get through but some of them are the most "together" people i know, so it's not an excuse to be a piece of trash human being.

I wished my ex luck, but am moving on, and I don't take her behaviour (which was appaling) to be anything to do with being TS, just consider her to be a person with a lot of problems, she has no self respect so how can she be expected to respect anyone else?

Onwards and upwards

[Infern0]

I am currently dating a transwoman at the moment we have arguments just like my genetic girlfriends in the past. Not once has she called me a fag when we have our arguments and disagreements. Not all transwoman are batshit crazy like Jamiethewild, StraightTricker who was banned last week. Kelly Shore, Amberski, Michelle Austin all seem like very cool intelligent transwomen.

Aye.

Liberty Harkness is another who I would consider to be a very good person and a cut above.

[bluesoul]

Cheers for the responses and that guys.

Hey a few things, first off this shit is no way exclusive to TS, as i've said in the past, I have dated and am open to date GG or TS, i'm not a cock fetishist so it's all good for me, I like attractive women, i find many TS to be some of the most attractive but it's not an exclusive thing. Hey insecurity runs in a lot of people especially can understand for TS they have a lot of struggles to get through but some of them are the most "together" people i know, so it's not an excuse to be a piece of trash human being.

I wished my ex luck, but am moving on, and I don't take her behaviour (which was appaling) to be anything to do with being TS, just consider her to be a person with a lot of problems, she has no self respect so how can she be expected to respect anyone else?

Onwards and upwards

this thread just confirmed that there is more to this story than your original post suggested

[Infern0]

this thread just confirmed that there is more to this story than your original post suggested

There's about 9 months worth of story to be fair mate and not enough hours in the day for me to put it all down. A lot went on, but i've been pretty honest in what i've written here, i don't think any of it's misleading.

Of course she'd have her side of the story but it is what it is, mistakes made on both sides but I feel i was in the right on 90% of it

[alyssaluxor]

So what you're saying is that if not for guys playing games with you, you wouldn't be escorting?

Yes im in the process of looking for a bf before since its my dream to have a bf since I was a child. So i tried dating some guys but so much bullshit, games, lies and broken promises from them. Ive wasted so much time and money. Most of them would not even date me in public, introduce me to family/friends and treat me with a nice meal. Then some TS from Europe and US told me that in their country guys should pay if they want to date and fuck them. So I decided to try escorting and at least now im getting paid and be able to have breast implants/buy car/buy apartment/fund a small business unlike before they fuck me for free lol

[robertlouis]

Jamie - thanks for praising my "wisdom", but did you really read and understand the element directed at you? I expressed sadness for you in it - for the closed attitude you express that precludes any possibility of emotional involvement with anyone who accepts you for what you are - a transgendered woman. You have a almost impossible position for guy to get past.


:iagree: Wise words. Feeling sorry for Jamie probably isn't what she wants to hear, but I've met girls like her in the past who reject anyone who likes them because they find it difficult if not impossible to come to terms with their own situation and will hit out regardless. I sincerely hope that she will be able to rationalise her plight so that she can deal with it.

As for Inferno, regardless of where the balance of responsibility lies, it sounds as if you're ready to move on and it's probably best for both of your sakes if you do that.

And although it's a desperately sad reason, it's good to have you back here.

[robertlouis]

Yes im in the process of looking for a bf before since its my dream to have a bf since I was a child. So i tried dating some guys but so much bullshit, games, lies and broken promises from them. Ive wasted so much time and money. Most of them would not even date me in public, introduce me to family/friends and treat me with a nice meal. Then some TS from Europe and US told me that in their country guys should pay if they want to date and fuck them. So I decided to try escorting and at least now im getting paid and be able to have breast implants/buy car/buy apartment/fund a small business unlike before they fuck me for free lol

That's all too often the experience of girls who live ordinary and quiet lives - I know a few her in the UK. Good that you've rationalised that, Alyssa, and I sincerely hope that you find the man you're ultimately looking for, who can love and respect you as a woman and be proud of you in every situation. Good luck.

[alyssaluxor]

So what you're saying is that if not for guys playing games with you, you wouldn't be escorting?


This excuse is just used to place blame on someone other than yourself for your CHOICE to be an escort. Men didn't make you an escort, as you have total control over what you're doing.

Yes at first i just tried escorting but its still the main reason I ended up as an escort. If thats what you think I respect that. And now im escorting to save money for the future. Im very careful dating guys now need to make sure they are genuine

[alyssaluxor]

That's all too often the experience of girls who live ordinary and quiet lives - I know a few her in the UK. Good that you've rationalised that, Alyssa, and I sincerely hope that you find the man you're ultimately looking for, who can love and respect you as a woman and be proud of you in every situation. Good luck.

Thats so true most TS friends of mine who are commited and married now are also escorts before. They are now living quietly in UK, US, Germany, Spain, Sweden, Japan....

[robertlouis]

Thats so true most TS friends of mine who are commited and married now are also escorts before. They are now living quietly in UK, US, Germany, Spain, Sweden, Japan....

One of my closest friends is a girl I shared a flat with when she was a guy, so she went through all that shit when she went through transition. I'm proud to say that I was one of the few who stood by her all the way, and it was great last year to be able to give her away in her marriage to a great guy. She's so happy now.

I hope the same will happen for you, Alyssa. You deserve it.

[Infern0]

Alyssa, I hope you find a man who treats you right and i'm sure you will one day.

It's a shame the way things happened in the past, in my experiance, escorting can sometimes "numb" a womans feelings towards men, don't please write off finding someone in the future

[scroller]

I've gotta say it -- I fear for Jamie because what she's writing here is equally unsustainable as that other girl's were, who wound up in a psych ward having slashed her wrists last year. I mean, say you don't like guys and need to be by yourself, that's fine and respectable. But to crow about how you're committed to piling abuse on anyone who shows you love, that's like, the definition of self-destructive squared.

I really hope you can focus on whatever good traits you must have, and follow Kelly's advice about getting therapy or something, because the alternative is just not good.

[jamiethewild]

I've gotta say it -- I fear for Jamie because what she's writing here is equally unsustainable as that other girl's were, who wound up in a psych ward having slashed her wrists last year. I mean, say you don't like guys and need to be by yourself, that's fine and respectable. But to crow about how you're committed to piling abuse on anyone who shows you love, that's like, the definition of self-destructive squared.

I really hope you can focus on whatever good traits you must have, and follow Kelly's advice about getting therapy or something, because the alternative is just not good.

eeerrrrrr

LMAO Now that was naive, moronic, and incomprehensible....

OH GOD PLEASE HELP.... help !!!!:dead::dead::dead:

[Infern0]

eeerrrrrr

LMAO Now that was naive, moronic, and incomprehensible....

OH GOD PLEASE HELP.... help !!!!:dead::dead::dead:

Grow up.

Seriously.

[alyssaluxor]

Alyssa, I hope you find a man who treats you right and i'm sure you will one day.

It's a shame the way things happened in the past, in my experiance, escorting can sometimes "numb" a womans feelings towards men, don't please write off finding someone in the future

Thanks my dear, you also all the best and just keep these things as a step for a beautiful future. Keep your heart open and dont give up for sure youll find the right one for you. Just be careful always and love yourself first before others.

[LongTom101]

eeerrrrrr

LMAO Now that was naive, moronic, and incomprehensible....

OH GOD PLEASE HELP.... help !!!!:dead::dead::dead:

As opposed to your posts which, taken in their entirety, represent a life affirming bibliography of wisdom, balance, emotional stability and intelligent common sense


:joke:

[MDM23]

Yes at first i just tried escorting but its still the main reason I ended up as an escort. If thats what you think I respect that. And now im escorting to save money for the future. Im very careful dating guys now need to make sure they are genuine

Sorry but no self respecting guy with options is gonna want to have a hooker as a girlfriend lol too much jealousy to form a relationship. Honestly what guy is gonna want his girl to be fucking different guys every day? No offence intended just my honest opinion

[tsdvdman]

Sorry but no self respecting guy with options is gonna want to have a hooker as a girlfriend lol too much jealousy to form a relationship. Honestly what guy is gonna want his girl to be fucking different guys every day? No offence intended just my honest opinion
I agree

[nysprod]

Lol...there are plenty of guys with little self respect and few options...

[yodajazz]

I've gotta say it -- I fear for Jamie because what she's writing here is equally unsustainable as that other girl's were, who wound up in a psych ward having slashed her wrists last year. I mean, say you don't like guys and need to be by yourself, that's fine and respectable. But to crow about how you're committed to piling abuse on anyone who shows you love, that's like, the definition of self-destructive squared.

I really hope you can focus on whatever good traits you must have, and follow Kelly's advice about getting therapy or something, because the alternative is just not good.

I really agree with the part where you say 'focus on the good'. I have long believed that trans people dont get at much, philosophical/spiritual advice as others. And everyone needs this to find greater happiness. This seems to be the major problem, of the subject person, of the original post in this thread. An example of this is focusing on past hurts, rather than a present relationship. I remember one woman here advised others to breakup with their present boyfriends, if they planned on having srs, because she thought they would leave them once they got the surgery. Giving up something that you have positive today, based upon a negative future event, that is not guaranteed to happen, is very unwise. That's just plain negative thinking, which in reality, has little to do with trans life. And even if the breakup does eventually happen, you might be able to have years of positive things, in the meantime, such as daily emotional support.

It is written; "What so ever is good and true, think of these things." One way to do this is to be thankful for what you have, rather unhappy for what you don't have. The ages old saying for this is to, "Count your blessings". I think that all trans people have great courage to pursue, who they want to be. I appreciate trans women's femininity more, because they have to work to achieve it. One could make a list of many qualities that trans women have in general. To think that someone likes you for only one thing, is not reality. My life is not the same as Brad Pitt's, even though we both have the same plumbing.

We love people, not only for who they are, but for what obstacles they had to overcome to be who they are now. We also love them for what we see them becoming in the future. The more positive your daily outlook is; the more you will see the possible positive outcomes in your future, and also you attract more people with these positive visions, than you will with negative judgments of yourself and others. And it's also better for your long term, physical health as well. I wish more trans people could realize this truth. It's a big part of the true happiness, that the subject of the original post did not have.

[sosed]

Every person is his own personality, character and have his own dark sides in subconsciousness. Some couples could live together easily, some have to work hard to stay together and some couldn't. It is about how well their personalities and characters go together, as they say, being soul mates.

I think it is not always true, that males, who like Tgirls, are attracted to cock on Tgirls. Straight males want to be with a woman, who is a woman. It happens, that some GGs take their femininity for granted, as I'm a woman, I have a pussy, that is enough. On the other hand Tgirls work hard to be as much feminine as possible, to compensate the fact, they don't have a pussy. Sometimes Tgirls are more feminine and woman (not genitals) than GGs and with that more attractive for straight males.

[qwerty94]

wow... I'm sorry you had to go through all of this.... but I do have to thank you. It made me take a step back and look at my relationship and realize I don't want to be anything like your ex... I tend to do some of the things you mentioned, but I better nip those in the bud now.

[nysprod]

wow... I'm sorry you had to go through all of this.... but I do have to thank you. It made me take a step back and look at my relationship and realize I don't want to be anything like your ex... I tend to do some of the things you mentioned, but I better nip those in the bud now.

Have you ever said "fuck off, faggot" to your bf?

[bluesoul]

I think it is not always true, that males, who like Tgirls, are attracted to cock on Tgirls. Straight males want to be with a woman, who is a woman. It happens, that some GGs take their femininity for granted, as I'm a woman, I have a pussy, that is enough. On the other hand Tgirls work hard to be as much feminine as possible, to compensate the fact, they don't have a pussy. Sometimes Tgirls are more feminine and woman (not genitals) than GGs and with that more attractive for straight males.

i've never heard any man claim a woman was sexy based on their "femininity". in fact, i've never heard any beauty contestant loose for being "less feminine" than an advisory.

i honestly think this whole "working hard to be as much feminine as possible" is something that only exists in the transgendered community because how feminine they appear dictates successful transformation (or how well they pass).

[MrsKellyPierce]

I'm sorry, but being trans doesn't give you a pass to be a bitch or crazy or dramatic...

Deal with your issue, act like a lady...and KEEP IT MOVING

[MrsKellyPierce]

This excuse is just used to place blame on someone other than yourself for your CHOICE to be an escort. Men didn't make you an escort, as you have total control over what you're doing.
Preach!

Blaming others for how you are treated is silly to me..

You choose how others treat you and blaming men for every little problem that comes your way...it's called MISERY...

Get some self-esteem and stop blaming others for what goes on IN YOUR LIFE..

I get tired of the bleeding Sally Struthers of the trans world..

[MHarrigan82]

Preach!

Blaming others for how you are treated is silly to me..

You choose how others treat you and blaming men for every little problem that comes your way...it's called MISERY...

Get some self-esteem and stop blaming others for what goes on IN YOUR LIFE..

I get tired of the bleeding Sally Struthers of the trans world..

Preach on Kelly you are this website Dr. Phil.

[jamiethewild]

the girls are here to promote their site or services they tell you what you want hear.its called sugar-coated ... just like when i meet my clients in person.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I don't sugar-coat..and I have never ever been on xanax or needed it..

Nor have I blamed my husband or any of my past boyfriends for how I'm treated.

I knew when I became transsexual that I was going to get ridiculed and not be understood.

It took time and patience to explain myself to anyone.

But no one truly understands unless they are trans.

Do I hold that against them or put a chip on my shoulder..NO..

Do I complain all day about how my life isn't right and how men suck..NO

I keep positive..I treat my man the best I can and we COMMUNICATE..

And I don't blame anyone..ANYONE for the CHOICES I have made in life.

And I am quite aware as soon as you enter porn YOU ARE A SEX OBJECT..

It's how you allow people to treat you and how you come off is how you are treated..

[MrsKellyPierce]

And girls in porn/escorting..if you don't like being treated like a sex object or having guys talk about what you got downstairs..I suggest you quit right now...that's part of what comes along with it..you can only ignore and make them see you as the lady you are or act like a cunt << not a smart PR move..you win a lot more over with honey and patience..

And many times guys don't even know they are being offensive! They are newbies, just like at one time you were a newbie to the trans life-style..it's okay for you to figure things out and make mistakes..but if a guy fucks up..oh shit..put him on a cross and burn him up!

[nysprod]

And girls in porn/escorting..if you don't like being treated like a sex object or having guys talk about what you got downstairs..I suggest you quit right now...that's part of what comes along with it..you can only ignore and make them see you as the lady you are or act like a cunt << not a smart PR move..you win a lot more over with honey and patience..

And many times guys don't even know they are being offensive! They are newbies, just like at one time you were a newbie to the trans life-style..it's okay for you to figure things out and make mistakes..but if a guy fucks up..oh shit..put him on a cross and burn him up!


Your husband must be one lucky guy!

[jamiethewild]

Oh yes girl.... Preach it preach it.... This your opportunity to gain more members... That's why you're so relatable to men.... LMAO

[MrsKellyPierce]

Oh yes girl.... Preach it preach it.... This your opportunity to gain more members... That's why you're so relatable to men.... LMAO
Members for what? I don't have a website..

And most men on her don't pay for porn, they watch for free lol

[jamiethewild]

Members for what? I don't have a website..

And most men on her don't pay for porn, they watch for free lol

you know what i mean the word doesn't necessarily have to be members but fans.

Theirs always a purpose behind everything.

[MrsKellyPierce]

And I'm not at all saying I have the perfect relationship. Does Mason have faults oh he sure the hell does...does he annoy the living shit out of me sometimes..YES. But at times when it's important is he there for ME? Does he support me a 100%... Has he risked his family relationship and what his peers might think of him for not only dating a Transsexual, but a pornstar...YES..and do I have my faults? I do we all do..but Relationships are about GIVING just as much as you are GETTING...that's the only way they work!

[MrsKellyPierce]

And for the record...MEN SEE ALL HOT WOMEN AS SOMETHING TO PLAY WITH or a piece of ass...they only GET SERIOUS...when they see something MORE than BEAUTY..and that's the CHANCE YOU HAVE to CHANGE HIS MIND FROM FUCK MODE to RELATIONSHIP MODE

Unless they are just looking for a trophy wife

All men need training..

Women/trans need to realize we are the ones with the power..

They may be the head..but we are the neck...

So when you are allowing guys to use and abuse you..you are letting them in control..YOU ARE DOING IT TO YOURSELF
And many men would never consider dating an escort or porn model if she chooses to fuck others..men are territorial though they hate to admit it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

The ones who don't need training..

Were raised by good Mothers in my opinion...

That's why so many Southern men make good husbands.

Sorry Northern men lol

[nysprod]

The ones who don't need training..

Were raised by good Mothers in my opinion...

That's why so many Southern men make good husbands.

Sorry Northern men lol

Jewish guys make the best husbands...lol

[TSMichelleAustin]

Honey let me give some real advice from a transsexual woman...

First off I disagree with Jamiethewild... if you hate men so much maybe look at urself first.

I have been in horrible relationship in past, many moons ago, but I was young, early in my transition and just wanted to be loved. But in order to be loved, u have to love yourself. Till I loved who I was and knew who I was I could be in a healthy relationship.

How old is your girl? How supportive is her family and life? Does she really love herself? Those are some questions to ask yourself. I have been in a relationship for five years, he is a great guy, we have had our fights, but in the end we love each other like crazy! One lesson I learned from my grandparents is... Never Go To Bed Angry or Mad at each other! And that is true. I have never went to bed mad at him, we always make up and fix our issues.

I think when a girl uses hormones, or the word fag to attack the one she loves is a cop out and needs to take a good look at herself! Men are not all evil or after us for the sex! Some guys actually love us and want to be with us for us! Stop putting so many walls up because of what other guys do, or how ur exs were! When u put up so many walls, u let some great guys pass u by!

Theres my food for thought! Sorry I didnt read every post in here but first two pages, So wanted to put that up! Good luck hun!

[qwerty94]

Have you ever said "fuck off, faggot" to your bf?

well, not that(maybe i should have specified. lol) i would never dare call my bf any name... but i feel like i take him for granted sometimes. and i do voice my insecurities quite often.

[qwerty94]

oh- and to add to my post...

i feel that the use of the term "faggot" or any other derogatory gay term used when referring to a man who is interested in TS WOMEN just perpetuates society's belief that we are not in fact women...

[MrsKellyPierce]

I've never called any man I dated a faggot..why would I?

I don't feel I am gay or a faggot lol

that's silly

[bluesoul]

oh- and to add to my post...

i feel that the use of the term "faggot" or any other derogatory gay term used when referring to a man who is interested in TS WOMEN just perpetuates society's belief that we are not in fact women...

but transsexuals "are not in fact women". they are transsexuals

[jamiethewild]

Let get real here... Qwerty94

your statement is a bit delusional , actually both ways is a bit delusional.

Most of these men into ts's can't see us as women either so they call us by derogatory terms.

So why not be fair and call them derogatory terms? and they get butt hurt when their not label as "straight" when we aren't seen as women by many of them, anyways.

Most of us trans-women like to label a man into us as "straight" to validate us not them, even though we do see ourselves like woman.

I support all my girlfriends that call their boyfriend the f or g word ....

All these men in here are confuse mofos anyways....

[fivekatz]

Let get real here... Qwerty94

your statement is a bit delusional , actually both ways is a bit delusional.

Most of these men into ts's can't see us as women either so they call us by derogatory terms.

So why not be fair and call them derogatory terms? and they get butt hurt when their not label as "straight" when we aren't seen as women by many of them, anyways.

Most of us trans-women like to label a man into us as "straight" to validate us not them, even though we do see ourselves like woman.

I support all my girlfriends that call their boyfriend the f or g word ....

All these men in here are confuse mofos anyways....Either that or they are total bi-sexual and find labels and stereotypes not useful.

[qwerty94]

but transsexuals "are not in fact women". they are transsexuals

ugh... this is why i stopped posting here... thank you for reminding me

fucking idiots

[jamiethewild]

but transsexuals "are not in fact women". they are transsexuals

actually we ARE !!!!

this where i say shit and life is unfair. god was unfair in creating transexuals that truly feel like women. we attract the wrong ppl... i swear ... You guys don't fucking get it .....

[MrsKellyPierce]

Bluesol the only thing that doesn't make us women..is because people can't differentiate with body and brain...

Everything how you feel, what you are attracted to, what you like, etc

Has to do with upstairs..

If you are brain dead..you have no thoughts...

People put too much emphasis on privates

[bluesoul]

Everything how you feel, what you are attracted to, what you like, etc

Has to do with upstairs..

If you are brain dead..you have no thoughts...


i totally agree, but there is another world that exists with things that are real- than you can touch and interact with. the world of forms.

besides, everything you've explained above could also be accounted as an illusion or a dream

[Merkurie]

Sorry to say, but some people are so bitter and devoted to their bitterness, any opportunity, person or idea that may show a way out will be rejected.

[nysprod]

well, not that(maybe i should have specified. lol) i would never dare call my bf any name... but i feel like i take him for granted sometimes. and i do voice my insecurities quite often.

Well, insecurities are one thing...we all have them...one would hope their partner is sympathetic to them...I would think that most guys who go with trans women have an insecurity related to whether they are gay, so being called a faggot kind of strikes at the heart of that and should be off-limits.

It's obvious that being transexual is not an easy thing to be so realistically speaking, if you're going to be in a relationship with one you have to be prepared to deal with certain things having to do with all the associated complications in addition to all the other situations that arise in the normal course of two people trying to make a go of it.

[Molly D'Vyne]

People put too much emphasis on privates

THIS.

I've found more so with younger (more progressive) people that this seems to be less and less the case, but overall... it's definitely an issue. Seriously, think about it. Do you as a person define who you are simply by what parts you have, or by who you are? There's a big difference. We are very complex creatures of varying intelligence, yet so many people want to dumb everything down.

Yeah, I was born with a penis. I still have one, although the rest of my body... including my breasts... are changing thanks to the wonders of science and HRT. I grew up really confused because things didn't match up mentally and physically. However, I still lived... learned... interacted with people around me just like anyone else.

When I finally started to research things, went into therapy, etc... it finally made a lot more sense and I understand now that I'm basically a girl with some mismatched parts. Still much of the same person... but now the parts on the outside are starting to line up a lot better with everything in my mind. The image I paint for the world around me matches up much more accurately to my mentality... things are synchronous and interaction seems much more real and valid.

And thus, despite having a penis... even though I live in one of the most conservative areas of the US at the moment... I still am read as a woman. Furthermore, people interact with me in that manner. It can be an issue sexually for some people, but I've started to find that the people that actually like me for who I am... instead of what I am... don't really care what I have between my legs.

[nysprod]

People put too much emphasis on privates

Emphasis? Society in general is obsessed with them...and at the risk of sounding like some kind of throw-back, IMO the availability of porn is driving this to a degree.

Too much of anything is unhealthy.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Emphasis? Society in general is obsessed with them...and at the risk of sounding like some kind of throw-back, IMO the availability of porn is driving this to a degree.

Too much of anything is unhealthy.
Society in general is obsessed with labeling..it has nothing to do with porn..

People want/need everything in a box

[MrsKellyPierce]

THIS.

I've found more so with younger (more progressive) people that this seems to be less and less the case, but overall... it's definitely an issue. Seriously, think about it. Do you as a person define who you are simply by what parts you have, or by who you are? There's a big difference. We are very complex creatures of varying intelligence, yet so many people want to dumb everything down.

Yeah, I was born with a penis. I still have one, although the rest of my body... including my breasts... are changing thanks to the wonders of science and HRT. I grew up really confused because things didn't match up mentally and physically. However, I still lived... learned... interacted with people around me just like anyone else.

When I finally started to research things, went into therapy, etc... it finally made a lot more sense and I understand now that I'm basically a girl with some mismatched parts. Still much of the same person... but now the parts on the outside are starting to line up a lot better with everything in my mind. The image I paint for the world around me matches up much more accurately to my mentality... things are synchronous and interaction seems much more real and valid.

And thus, despite having a penis... even though I live in one of the most conservative areas of the US at the moment... I still am read as a woman. Furthermore, people interact with me in that manner. It can be an issue sexually for some people, but I've started to find that the people that actually like me for who I am... instead of what I am... don't really care what I have between my legs. Well said!

[Infern0]

The only people who do not consider TS as women are not evolved enough as human beings imo. FFS, it's 2013 not 1813

[tragicomedy]

I see a lot of hot, passable ts putting their 2 cents in to cheer people up. I think of the vast majority who are not pretty, passable or charismatic enough to win love, tolerance or aceptance. Saw what looked like the blonde guy from dumb and dumber in a denim skirt today on campus. Having one of those head on the table freakouts and everyone in the building trying not to stare. Then what looked like transgender Precious makes some wise crack at her expense. Two very alone people. How are either of them supposed to get a man if that's what they're into? Bioengineering will solve many issues but until then I feel bad for the chances at love for a lot of regular folks, transgender or otherwise.

[tragicomedy]

THIS.

I've found more so with younger (more progressive) people that this seems to be less and less the case, but overall... it's definitely an issue. Seriously, think about it. Do you as a person define who you are simply by what parts you have, or by who you are? There's a big difference. We are very complex creatures of varying intelligence, yet so many people want to dumb everything down.

Yeah, I was born with a penis. I still have one, although the rest of my body... including my breasts... are changing thanks to the wonders of science and HRT. I grew up really confused because things didn't match up mentally and physically. However, I still lived... learned... interacted with people around me just like anyone else.

When I finally started to research things, went into therapy, etc... it finally made a lot more sense and I understand now that I'm basically a girl with some mismatched parts. Still much of the same person..tw. but now the parts on the outside are starting to line up a lot better with everything in my mind. The image I paint for the world around me matches up much more accurately to my mentality... things are synchronous and interaction seems much more real and valid.

And thus, despite having a penis... even though I live in one of the most conservative areas of the US at the moment... I still am read as a woman. Furthermore, people interact with me in that manner. It can be an issue sexually for some people, but I've started to find that the people that actually like me for who I am... instead of what I am... don't really care what I have between my legs.

How do those conservative folks who think you aren't a cisgirl treat you? As a female or what?

[Molly D'Vyne]

How do those conservative folks who think you aren't a cisgirl treat you? As a female or what?

The ones I spend enough time around to know I'm not cis, yes. Generally it comes with a lot of teaching them about the subject though. I'm extremely passable, but not stealth at all. I've discussed it on a local talk radio show, and was featured in a local entertainment mag as well (As a DJ). I'm an open book to anyone and everyone around me and have helped a few friends I've met through their own transition... as well as helped other friends learn how to respectfully treat people they know that are trans.

Ignorance towards transgender people is prevalent through most of society, but it's something we can all work to change through education.

[tragicomedy]

What do you think the situation is for transwomen who aren't pretty or charismatic?

[Molly D'Vyne]

What do you think the situation is for transwomen who aren't pretty or charismatic?

Absolutely shitty. I've seen how the public reacts to girls that don't pass well, it pisses me off and drives me even more to stick my neck out for them. I still occasionally have the "am I passing... do they know?" thoughts... and I feel terrible thinking about it because I know girls that are fully aware going out into public that they aren't going to pass...

I try to cheer them up and help in whatever way... but I know a few of them have to resent me despite that.

[nysprod]

Society in general is obsessed with labeling..it has nothing to do with porn..

People want/need everything in a box

I was referring to what you said about people putting too much emphasis on private parts...I think porn (or the amount of porn available) has something to do with that...as I said, too much of anything is unhealthy.

[nysprod]

Absolutely shitty. I've seen how the public reacts to girls that don't pass well, it pisses me off and drives me even more to stick my neck out for them. I still occasionally have the "am I passing... do they know?" thoughts... and I feel terrible thinking about it because I know girls that are fully aware going out into public that they aren't going to pass...

I try to cheer them up and help in whatever way... but I know a few of them have to resent me despite that.

It is kind of sickening when these really hopeless ones try to sex it up...

[Molly D'Vyne]

It is kind of sickening when these really hopeless ones try to sex it up...

That is part of the problem too, just that girls don't know how to effectively dress to their body type. The truth of the matter is that many cis-women exhibit just as many if not more "masculine" features than a lot of trans women do... it's just that they know how to dress to accentuate some things while hiding others. (Big shoulders, narrow hips, Adam's apples, facial hair... the list goes on)

But yes... when a 6 ft, 200 pound, square-framed woman goes out into public in a schoolgirl outfit... it really doesn't matter if she has a penis or not. People are going to give odd looks. I'm all for fucking with society, but you've gotta be prepared for a reaction dressing like that.

[sosed]

i've never heard any man claim a woman was sexy based on their "femininity". in fact, i've never heard any beauty contestant loose for being "less feminine" than an advisory.

i honestly think this whole "working hard to be as much feminine as possible" is something that only exists in the transgendered community because how feminine they appear dictates successful transformation (or how well they pass).

Of course not, such talks never goes too deep. But anyway, man easier see woman sexy and erotically attractive, when she behave and react in woman way, than if she behave like a man. We react on behave subconsciously.

[muh_muh]

Society in general is obsessed with labeling..it has nothing to do with porn..

People want/need everything in a box

well in fairness pidgeonholing everything is a fairly sucessful way of making sense of the world

[Foggy]

The only people who do not consider TS as women are not evolved enough as human beings imo. FFS, it's 2013 not 1813

It's a lot easier to treat them as "women" when they act like one...or at least behave themselves.

[MdR Dave]

It's a lot easier to treat them as "women" when they act like one...or at least behave themselves.

Oh. Um. . . Good luck?

[MacShreach]

This excuse is just used to place blame on someone other than yourself for your CHOICE to be an escort. Men didn't make you an escort, as you have total control over what you're doing.

I wouldn't usually go back so far but oki resurrected this. SMC, while I sympathise with your pov, Alyssa is not in the US but in the Philippines. Men in the Philippines take the piss out of TS women something shocking. It's common for the girls to pay men for sex and companionship--and they will be dropped instantly if his family finds out or he gets a job. So I have to stick up for Alyssa here. Sure, escorting is a choice, but she doesn't have the range of choices Western women (t or otherwise) take for granted, believe me.

It's not a question of 'get a degree' or whatever--I know plenty of transpinays who have degrees and still can't get decent jobs. Basic requirement is, cut off your hair, get rid of the implants and come in dressed as a man, we'll think about it. Maybe. And I'm talking about dumb jobs in call centres or stacking shelves, or, very rarely, back office clerks (in all cases, as long as the public don't see them). A very lucky, especially beautiful girl without a degree might get a job in a salon or in a ladyboy cabaret. But these jobs are few and far between, especially considering how many transgirls there are in the RP.

I couldn't blame any girl in the RP for going p4p. And I sincerely hope Alyssa finds her dream, I always thought she was a real sweetie. Like many transpinays, she definitely does not deserve the treatment she gets.

As to the OP, I feel for you. But you did the right thing. You simply cannot love someone else unless you respect yourself, and your ex obviously didn't. That there are others like her has been made very obvious in this thread.

[MacShreach]

What do you think the situation is for transwomen who aren't pretty or charismatic?

Their situation is crap. But I have to be honest, I would never get into a relationship, other than friendship, with any woman, GG or TS, that I didn't find beautiful, sexy and attractive as a woman. You can call me shallow if you like, but life has always been too short for me to put any effort into waking up next to someone I didn't like looking at.

I know that's a different thing to social acceptance, all I am saying is we put a huge premium on appearance. Sorry.

[caldara]

Hi I am a transgirl (pre op and remaining like that).

I have been dating a guy for 4,5 years now and still no one of his friends or family has met me. If I insist he will let me meet his mother but that's not the point. The fact that he rather doesn't upsets me.
If he loves me he would want to introduce me to the person he loves most.
Without me having to ask him.

He has met my family and sisters... I was never allowed to visit his house because it is a mess but that also can be used as an excuse to keep me away from where he lives. I have seen where he lives... from the inside of a car though.

I will not deny that I am insecure. I am. Little wonder. I was bullied at school at school, and I am still able to trust people...but when it comes to boyfriends... somewhere along the line I have to get convinced he loves me and is proud of me. It feels like high school to date a guy that rather would not be associated with me... It is also a huge turn off for me... because I do like men!

Men that are not all just talk but also live up to what they say. I have stopped the relationship (not only because of this reason but many more). I am tired of having to doubt his love and loyalty towards me.

Some of you may think that I am all drama... and that it's my insecurity but after 4,5 years I feel I am entitled to more then this. And I rather be in no relationship then something like this.

[caldara]

These girls are prone to all sorts of goofiness and bitchy behavior...they love testing your manhood by acting like bad little girls...the answer is to pull down her pants and give her a good hard spanking followed by a total pounding...

You are my kind of guy :). I wish I could find a guy like you :)

[my my my!]

Hi I am a transgirl (pre op and remaining like that).

I have been dating a guy for 4,5 years now and still no one of his friends or family has met me. If I insist he will let me meet his mother but that's not the point. The fact that he rather doesn't upsets me.
If he loves me he would want to introduce me to the person he loves most.
Without me having to ask him.

He has met my family and sisters... I was never allowed to visit his house because it is a mess but that also can be used as an excuse to keep me away from where he lives. I have seen where he lives... from the inside of a car though.

I will not deny that I am insecure. I am. Little wonder. I was bullied at school at school, and I am still able to trust people...but when it comes to boyfriends... somewhere along the line I have to get convinced he loves me and is proud of me. It feels like high school to date a guy that rather would not be associated with me... It is also a huge turn off for me... because I do like men!

Men that are not all just talk but also live up to what they say. I have stopped the relationship (not only because of this reason but many more). I am tired of having to doubt his love and loyalty towards me.

Some of you may think that I am all drama... and that it's my insecurity but after 4,5 years I feel I am entitled to more then this. And I rather be in no relationship then something like this.

I have been in 2 major relationships with transsexual women.

When my family found out the first one's trans status (pre op transsexual) I basically lost my family because of that. It is only recently that I have come into limited contact with my family again.

I used to dread having to introduce her to my family, not because I was ashamed of her, but because I almost knew exactly how my family would react. If it would've been up to me, I would've kept BOTH my family and my gf. But she Insisted, and out of respect I thought it was the right thing to do. It turns out it was. I found out my family's true colors. But at the same time, I feel she was not worth losing my family over. We broke up over stupid trivial stuff (in her mind. i call it "trans world issues") and had I somehow known that in advance, I would not have lost my family for her.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that it is difficult for us guys to. You girls think you have it difficult? Hell yea you do, but so do we , as your lovers, boyfriends, husbands.

ON the one hand, we want to keep our girl happy, and make her feel like we are proud to be at her side, and at the same time, we want our family in our life.

So, when trans girls bring up the issue, I'm really sensitive about it because of my situation and what happened to ME. I do not speak for all trans admirers or guys that date trans. But I'm sure I'm not the only one that has experienced what I experienced.

Had I known how things would've turned out, I would've preferred to keep my family.

Why? Relationships come and go. Family , while bigoted and misunderstanding sometimes, is there for the long run. Down to the talks, perhaps staying with them if you fall on hard times, for memories , for medical issues and other.

I feel if anyone is going to lose family over a relationship, she better be worth it and the one.

[nysprod]

You are my kind of guy :). I wish I could find a guy like you :)

You just did lol

[caldara]

I have been in 2 major relationships with transsexual women.

When my family found out the first one's trans status (pre op transsexual) I basically lost my family because of that. It is only recently that I have come into limited contact with my family again.

I used to dread having to introduce her to my family, not because I was ashamed of her, but because I almost knew exactly how my family would react. If it would've been up to me, I would've kept BOTH my family and my gf. But she Insisted, and out of respect I thought it was the right thing to do. It turns out it was. I found out my family's true colors. But at the same time, I feel she was not worth losing my family over. We broke up over stupid trivial stuff (in her mind. i call it "trans world issues") and had I somehow known that in advance, I would not have lost my family for her.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that it is difficult for us guys to. You girls think you have it difficult? Hell yea you do, but so do we , as your lovers, boyfriends, husbands.

ON the one hand, we want to keep our girl happy, and make her feel like we are proud to be at her side, and at the same time, we want our family in our life.

So, when trans girls bring up the issue, I'm really sensitive about it because of my situation and what happened to ME. I do not speak for all trans admirers or guys that date trans. But I'm sure I'm not the only one that has experienced what I experienced.

Had I known how things would've turned out, I would've preferred to keep my family.

Why? Relationships come and go. Family , while bigoted and misunderstanding sometimes, is there for the long run. Down to the talks, perhaps staying with them if you fall on hard times, for memories , for medical issues and other.

I feel if anyone is going to lose family over a relationship, she better be worth it and the one.

Hi!!

Sorry to hear that your family reacted like that. Dont get me wrong. I am very understanding when it comes to such things... but I know for a fact he will never lose his family because of me... they are open minded... even his friends are open minded. I would not let a boyfriend risk his family for me.

His family is not religious /and appears to me to be very gay friendly. I know this because I got to know his family through him...pictures... stories...still he dreads taking me... I no longer want it now.
I dont want a relationship at this moment in my life. I have some disappointments to deal with first. This relationship being one of them.

On one hand... its easy to complain about a trans being insecure and having issues... on the other hand...I hope most guys realise that if they treat a T girl differently then they would treat a woman... trouble could be coming. (be it socially, mentally, sexualy, romanticly etc).

Also Tgirls can be so insecure because they know they have less options that they will go though long ends and accept more shit from the other in a relationship. In the end, it really breaks you down. But giving up easely is not something I do. But men can take advantage of that.

They can become selfish in their ways... and neglecting the needs of the girl.

Oh and I do not need or like to label lovers (hetero, bisexual gay etc). He can be gay for all I care. I love masculine men... that top. And are a bit dominant kinky. I dont care about their sexual identity and I do not care how they see me. I care how they TREAT me. If they are able to make me feel feminine. Believe me! A heterosexual men that does not find me "feminine" enough and dislikes parts of my body... does not make one feel feminine at all!

As a matter of fact. A gay man would be better cause I would never have to worry that he would feel ashamed of being with me.

[caldara]

I feel if anyone is going to lose family over a relationship, she better be worth it and the one.

So even though he would lose nothing he chose not to invite me. Not at his home or in his life. It really makes me feel unpassable and ugly even...like I am not good enough....exactly like you say it... like I am NOT the one... and that I am not worth it.

If you love someone that can really sting deeply and has all sorths of effects on the relationship.

[caldara]

We broke up over stupid trivial stuff (in her mind. i call it "trans world issues")


I am very curious what kind of issues these are.


Why? Relationships come and go.

Thats why they suck. It is such an illusion. Convincing yourself you love another person above anyone else and then when bad times come... nothing is left of it. It is bizarre! I would rather have more very very good friends then a boyfriend.

[Chaos]

Never had a relationship with anyone but GG's (so far),and I wouldn't even take them to meet my family.
It's not that I want to hide anything from anyone,but my family aren't people I want anything to do with.
The horror stories of what they've done to me are too many to list,so I avoid them,unless I HAVE to have something to do with them. It's not a situation I'd put someone I love into.

[caldara]

Never had a relationship with anyone but GG's (so far),and I wouldn't even take them to meet my family.
It's not that I want to hide anything from anyone,but my family aren't people I want anything to do with.
The horror stories of what they've done to me are too many to list,so I avoid them,unless I HAVE to have something to do with them. It's not a situation I'd put someone I love into.

Of course that's a completely different story.

[amberskyi]

I have been in 2 major relationships with transsexual women.

When my family found out the first one's trans status (pre op transsexual) I basically lost my family because of that. It is only recently that I have come into limited contact with my family again.

I used to dread having to introduce her to my family, not because I was ashamed of her, but because I almost knew exactly how my family would react. If it would've been up to me, I would've kept BOTH my family and my gf. But she Insisted, and out of respect I thought it was the right thing to do. It turns out it was. I found out my family's true colors. But at the same time, I feel she was not worth losing my family over. We broke up over stupid trivial stuff (in her mind. i call it "trans world issues") and had I somehow known that in advance, I would not have lost my family for her.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that it is difficult for us guys to. You girls think you have it difficult? Hell yea you do, but so do we , as your lovers, boyfriends, husbands.

ON the one hand, we want to keep our girl happy, and make her feel like we are proud to be at her side, and at the same time, we want our family in our life.

So, when trans girls bring up the issue, I'm really sensitive about it because of my situation and what happened to ME. I do not speak for all trans admirers or guys that date trans. But I'm sure I'm not the only one that has experienced what I experienced.

Had I known how things would've turned out, I would've preferred to keep my family.

Why? Relationships come and go. Family , while bigoted and misunderstanding sometimes, is there for the long run. Down to the talks, perhaps staying with them if you fall on hard times, for memories , for medical issues and other.

I feel if anyone is going to lose family over a relationship, she better be worth it and the one.

That really sucks. Most girls go through this so I understand that its hard but I can't have too much sympathy when it comes to using it as a reason to keep a girl a secret. We as ts woman go through so much to be the woman you love, admire and/or lust over.I dont think its too much to as that my partner has a fraction of the courage and sacrifice I did.
If you family truly and unconditionally love you than they will come around. My family are really conservative west Africans (god could you imagine their initial reaction smh).I went years with only the barest of contact but the most affirming momment so far in my womanhood was when my father said he loved and accepted me as his daughter.
Sure those years of being ostracized were painful but it was worth it.I not only have my family back but I know they love and respect me for me.
hang tight homie

[amberskyi]

Hi I am a transgirl (pre op and remaining like that).

I have been dating a guy for 4,5 years now and still no one of his friends or family has met me. If I insist he will let me meet his mother but that's not the point. The fact that he rather doesn't upsets me.
If he loves me he would want to introduce me to the person he loves most.
Without me having to ask him.

He has met my family and sisters... I was never allowed to visit his house because it is a mess but that also can be used as an excuse to keep me away from where he lives. I have seen where he lives... from the inside of a car though.

I will not deny that I am insecure. I am. Little wonder. I was bullied at school at school, and I am still able to trust people...but when it comes to boyfriends... somewhere along the line I have to get convinced he loves me and is proud of me. It feels like high school to date a guy that rather would not be associated with me... It is also a huge turn off for me... because I do like men!

Men that are not all just talk but also live up to what they say. I have stopped the relationship (not only because of this reason but many more). I am tired of having to doubt his love and loyalty towards me.

Some of you may think that I am all drama... and that it's my insecurity but after 4,5 years I feel I am entitled to more then this. And I rather be in no relationship then something like this.

My last ex introduced me to his family with no hesitation at all.In fact he was the one pushing me to meet them lol.I was so nervous and scared for the obvious reasons but they were so kind and welcoming.He was the only man who wanted a serious future with me (marriage talk lol).
There are men and families out there that will fully love you for you and not have hang ups.You just have to wait for him to come into your life. Dont waste time on guys that want to treat you less than or differently than you deserve.You will end up hurt and jaded (which is going to cause trust issues when the right guy does come along).

[SunshyneMonroe]

awww poor baby :{

[my my my!]

So even though he would lose nothing he chose not to invite me. Not at his home or in his life. It really makes me feel unpassable and ugly even...like I am not good enough....exactly like you say it... like I am NOT the one... and that I am not worth it.



That's how my ex felt. and in public, private, and with her friends and family, I absolutely adored her and treated her like a lady, everything was good.

It was until the "if you love me, you will introduce me to your family" moments started becoming more frequent, I had to cave in and present her to my family.

Before that, I NEVER took anyone to meet my family until i had been dating them for 1-2 years. I still feel like family and friends get tired of us coming every 6 months..

Look, here is my NEW girlfriend, and then 4 months later , another one. I think that is tacky and just shows you cant hold a relationship


I've never been a serial dater, where I break up with one lady and am already dating someone the next day.

In your case, if you have been with him for 4 years or so, then there is something there. but families are very different in how they react to their loved ones.

For a while I thought my family would've been cool with me dating a transsexual girl. This was BEFORE I had dated a transsexual girl. I would hear them make comments when seeing a trans female on TV , and say how pretty she was and not say anything about it. One of my sisters even said that she might become a lesbian given the right girl, and everyone just laughed it off. So I thought , they would PROBABLY be ok with me dating a ts.

Then as time passed by, I would bring up little hints about possibly being trasn attracted (the actual way to get their true feelings was to use the , a friend of a friend story). I would say, "my friend, he's a dating a transsexual female, and he's happy" . And that's when the claws would come out. "He's a faggot, what a deception. those fucking deviants are everywhere" "I swear if one of my kids is like that, I'll fucking have someone beat the gay out of him, I didnt raise no homo kids"

It's entirely possible that your bf's family is gay/trans friendly on the surface, as long as it's not one of their own. Unless he's dated men or trans and his family knows about it. And it might be why he wont take you to meet them.

I knew my family, I told my girl they weren't cool with it, and yet she still insisted on it "or else it meant i didnt' love her"

[caldara]

That's how my ex felt. and in public, private, and with her friends and family, I absolutely adored her and treated her like a lady, everything was good.

It was until the "if you love me, you will introduce me to your family" moments started becoming more frequent, I had to cave in and present her to my family.

Before that, I NEVER took anyone to meet my family until i had been dating them for 1-2 years. I still feel like family and friends get tired of us coming every 6 months..

Look, here is my NEW girlfriend, and then 4 months later , another one. I think that is tacky and just shows you cant hold a relationship


I've never been a serial dater, where I break up with one lady and am already dating someone the next day.

In your case, if you have been with him for 4 years or so, then there is something there. but families are very different in how they react to their loved ones.

For a while I thought my family would've been cool with me dating a transsexual girl. This was BEFORE I had dated a transsexual girl. I would hear them make comments when seeing a trans female on TV , and say how pretty she was and not say anything about it. One of my sisters even said that she might become a lesbian given the right girl, and everyone just laughed it off. So I thought , they would PROBABLY be ok with me dating a ts.

Then as time passed by, I would bring up little hints about possibly being trasn attracted (the actual way to get their true feelings was to use the , a friend of a friend story). I would say, "my friend, he's a dating a transsexual female, and he's happy" . And that's when the claws would come out. "He's a faggot, what a deception. those fucking deviants are everywhere" "I swear if one of my kids is like that, I'll fucking have someone beat the gay out of him, I didnt raise no homo kids"

It's entirely possible that your bf's family is gay/trans friendly on the surface, as long as it's not one of their own. Unless he's dated men or trans and his family knows about it. And it might be why he wont take you to meet them.

I knew my family, I told my girl they weren't cool with it, and yet she still insisted on it "or else it meant i didnt' love her"

Hi !

Its not that I do not understand your situation. Personally I feel that you then will have to compensate in some way to the girl to take that feeling of not being loved enough away.

I know that if I am satisfied with a relationship...there is no real need to ask for more. The moment you start to get the feeling that you are not understood and accepted as you are is when you begin to have doubts.

My relationship did not go wrong because of not meeting friends and family... but because I never knew exactly what my position was and that he did not make me feel feminine/attractive. This is what made me doubt him in the first place.

I would never -insist- on someone to meet his family... or else...it might just be one of the many more things that make it impossible for me to have a relationship. Its largely a self worth issue for me... You can treat me like a secret lover, but you better keep me satisfied then.

And you lose the right to claim me if you want to keep me a secret.

I cannot tell you how it feels to be in my position. But believe me its just as bad as yours is.

[Ben in LA]

I feel if anyone is going to lose family over a relationship, she better be worth it and the one.
Same here.

I was in a relationship of sorts as well. My father even met the girl in question. However he did NOT know she was TS. My family has made it quite clear that they do not approve of the "alternate" lifestyle. Even though at the time I was happier than I had ever been, they would've never approved of the relationship.

All and all we broke up...and with that we split I saw that she was NOT the one. If and when I DO find that special person - and introduce her to my family - I'll just let the cards fall the way they're supposed to. I was willing to do that with my ex in hindsight, but a part of me is glad I didn't.

[hairyguy]

what do you plan on doing next?

[txjr3]

I'm sure someone already posted this, but isn't this just a hazard of any relationship? By no means confined to M/TS couples.

[caldara]

As could be expected from a forum like this i am not at all impressed by the reasoning of the boys here...i find it weak and cowardy...not at all things a girl would like in a man....but thats probably why they hang around here anyway.

[caldara]

Before that, I NEVER took anyone to meet my family until i had been dating them for 1-2 years. I still feel like family and friends get tired of us coming every 6 months..

Look, here is my NEW girlfriend, and then 4 months later , another one. I think that is tacky and just shows you cant hold a relationship


I've never been a serial dater, where I break up with one lady and am already dating someone the next "


Well, i was not talking about 1 to 2 years...but 4,5 years....do you think next time i will wait that long to find out if i am the one. No. A relationship is a relationship when its a relationship.simple. and yes that includes meeting friends and family.

[caldara]

When you as a t girl are stronger then most t-lovers, how on earth is a girl going to be impressed by your manhood, and do you even deserve a relationship with a strong girl like that?

Those are the things you have to consider...and might be the reason you are dating escorts in the first place...do not take advantage of the normal insecurities of girls but show her you love her

[Jericho]

His family is not religious /and appears to me to be very gay friendly.

I'm thinking the operative word there is appears.
To the outside world, my mob of bastards appear wonderful...Behind closed doors, it's a different story. :shrug

[Deja Vu]

People say hurtful things when they are angry. It happens.

The real problem I saw was what you did for her and what she did for you. It wasn't even. She doesn't seem right with herself and that is somewhat involved with how she hasn't come to terms with herself. It could be even deeper than that.

Either way you need to step away from this. I just am starting to get over a bad relationship and I would say I was in both your shoes at different times in the relationship. So I get it a bit.

Do what you have to do. Vent. Get in the gym. Kick it with friends. Have a good time. Because that's what you should've been doing with her (and she should've too) instead of dealing with petty ish while not working so hard, being responsible and being unappreciated.

Honestly, she took advantage because you let her. You either stand your ground (like you did with the "I'll beat you up" situation) or leave. Next time, whether ts or gg know the signs and decide if you can handle the girl or if it ain't worth it.

Good luck bruh

[maddygirl]

I know this post is over a year old, but I'd like to add my two sense anyhow. First of all, Infern0, sorry you had to deal with the constant mental abuse she was putting you through, as you seem to have done nothing wrong and been more than gracious and accepting of her in all aspects of your life.

I've never understood the girls who call their boyfriends' "fags" when all it shows is their true insecurity and inability to accept themselves truly as the women they are. The best decision you could have made was to break up with her. She isn't in the right mindset to have a relationship and needs to do a lot of introspection and maturing before that would even be a possibility.

That being said, I KNOW for a fact I could have never had a relationship pre-op, so I just avoided it. Why put someone else through the mental torture of dealing with an incomplete, self-loathing person? As rose tinted as it sounds to say "You need to accept yourself", some girls literally need SRS to do that. I feel like a much happier person now and I absolutely adore my boyfriend.

Anywho, best of luck to you in finding a great girl who will cherish you and truly appreciate everything you do for her! Cheers.

[maddygirl]

Hi!!

Sorry to hear that your family reacted like that. Dont get me wrong. I am very understanding when it comes to such things... but I know for a fact he will never lose his family because of me... they are open minded... even his friends are open minded. I would not let a boyfriend risk his family for me.

His family is not religious /and appears to me to be very gay friendly. I know this because I got to know his family through him...pictures... stories...still he dreads taking me... I no longer want it now.
I dont want a relationship at this moment in my life. I have some disappointments to deal with first. This relationship being one of them.

On one hand... its easy to complain about a trans being insecure and having issues... on the other hand...I hope most guys realise that if they treat a T girl differently then they would treat a woman... trouble could be coming. (be it socially, mentally, sexualy, romanticly etc).

Also Tgirls can be so insecure because they know they have less options that they will go though long ends and accept more shit from the other in a relationship. In the end, it really breaks you down. But giving up easely is not something I do. But men can take advantage of that.

They can become selfish in their ways... and neglecting the needs of the girl.

Oh and I do not need or like to label lovers (hetero, bisexual gay etc). He can be gay for all I care. I love masculine men... that top. And are a bit dominant kinky. I dont care about their sexual identity and I do not care how they see me. I care how they TREAT me. If they are able to make me feel feminine. Believe me! A heterosexual men that does not find me "feminine" enough and dislikes parts of my body... does not make one feel feminine at all!

As a matter of fact. A gay man would be better cause I would never have to worry that he would feel ashamed of being with me.
If he was a gay man, you wouldn't be his girlfriend... you'd be his boyfriend. I understand the dislike to use labels but sometimes they're useful. As a transwoman, you're not going to find a gay male who accepts you as a woman, but rather a feminine man.

[BBaggins06]

I've never understood the girls who call their boyfriends' "fags" when all it shows is their true insecurity and inability to accept themselves truly as the women they are. The best decision you could have made was to break up with her. She isn't in the right mindset to have a relationship and needs to do a lot of introspection and maturing before that would even be a possibility.

I'm glad you brought that up. Two things, being called a fag is a bad thing only if you think being gay is a bad thing. Second, being called a faggot doesn't make it so. You or caldara or Inferno's ex can call me a fag, queer, thirsty, chaser, or whatever, until you're blue in the face and I'll just laugh at you.

[maddygirl]

I'm glad you brought that up. Two things, being called a fag is a bad thing only if you think being gay is a bad thing. Second, being called a faggot doesn't make it so. You or caldara or Inferno's ex can call me a fag, queer, thirsty, chaser, or whatever, until you're blue in the face and I'll just laugh at you.
True, it's not a bad thing, but when used as a slur to degrade your so-called "boyfriend" it's not exactly the nicest thing in world.

[BBaggins06]

True, it's not a bad thing, but when used as a slur to degrade your so-called "boyfriend" it's not exactly the nicest thing in world.

Oh, I had a nightmare girlfriend who used to call me that and worse and I'd just smile and nod. Even then I was too old for that insipid high school drama crap. The maddest she ever got was when I yawned mid-tirade ...

[caldara]

Well If a boyfriend calls you a man... then it mean's he is gay :).
Also if a boyfriend is focussed on the dick and getting fucked etc... its up to the girl in question what to think of her boyfriend. It does not make her a man, when she calls him gay. Wanting cock up the mouth and in the butt is normally/usually a very gay desire. And of course we can call it straight or bi. If we do not want to hurt feelings... but the act in itself stays the same.

Guys are so sensitive when it comes to this but try and see how sensitive they are when it comes to less passable girls for instance. :)

[simonisthebest]

having a strong & serious relationship with a ts ? except for the typical laverne cox or janet mock u just cant period,

the same goes for all theses pornstars out here postin ,& actin like they the "real deal":yayo:

Most off yall are freak ,obsessed by sex & cant commit with one person. its a fact:yayo:

laverne cox for the love,yall for the fuck

[amberskyi]

having a strong & serious relationship with a ts ? excepublishedpt for the typical laverne cox or janet mock u just cant period,

the same goes for all theses pornstars out here postin ,& actin like they the "real deal":yayo:

Most off yall are freak ,obsessed by sex & cant commit with one person. its a fact:yayo:

laverne cox for the love,yall for the fuck

Well that's awesome for you but im not one to be limited lol

P.s. so you know Janet Mock did sex work to pay her way through school. Now she's a published author (new york times best seller list), a respected political activist, and a wife.
Guess it worked out for her huh?

[caldara]

If he was a gay man, you wouldn't be his girlfriend... you'd be his boyfriend. I understand the dislike to use labels but sometimes they're useful. As a transwoman, you're not going to find a gay male who accepts you as a woman, but rather a feminine man.

A feminine man? And what if I dont like feminine men??
Also a lot of gay men want to date TS. A lot of gay men are maried also and pretend to be straight. They should not use or belittle our courage to be ourselves.

And...i dont like feminine men. I am not a lesbian

[fred41]

A feminine man? And what if I dont like feminine men??
Also a lot of gay men want to date TS. A lot of gay men are maried also and pretend to be straight. They should not use or belittle our courage to be ourselves.

And...i dont like feminine men. I am not a lesbian

That's not what she's saying Caldara...please reread the sentence:


If he was a gay man, you wouldn't be his girlfriend... you'd be his boyfriend. I understand the dislike to use labels but sometimes they're useful. As a transwoman, you're not going to find a gay male who accepts you as a woman, but rather a feminine man.

she's saying a gay man would see you as a feminine man (as opposed to a woman) if he were to date you.

[Catalyst]

Rather interesting opinions in this thread.
Having just experienced a breakup sort of like this it hits close to home.
No abuse of any sort in my case, she just vanished on me.

My two cents mostly relate to the comments about gender, anatomy, sexuality... "This and that"
First nobody deserves to be abused or treated like a piece of meat.
I know it happens all the time.
Everyone is different some people are genuinely good people and there are more than enough shitty people out there. You have to choose who you associate with carefully. Some people also need to take a good look at themselves.

It seems like so many good people these days distrust everyone around them and fear to let new people in because they have been hurt before and their hearts are hardened. In a way its rather sad.

I know its a deal but really who cares about labels, gender, anatomy ?
Were all human.

All day long I hear things like typical male or typical female, typical tranny, typical gay... I really dont think anybody actually has a clue. Its like a quote I saw today "you were hurt by one bad man, now you see all men as this typical man"
Who hasnt been hurt ?
Who can move on and not blame the whole world ?

My whole life I grew up around LGBT folks my parents had a number of gay and transexual friends and co workers. Most of my friends are LGBT. Perhaps its the environment I grew up in but I never heard any derogatory name calling. Well not until I moved to a mining town in the middle of nowhere anyway :p

The only ones that used words like fag or tranny were the gay and transgendered themselves more as some sort of mild ribbing.

Idk... Its all to complicated to really say where the root of the issue is. Psychological, social, environmental, all of the above perhaps ?
Im not really wired distinguish between genders. If a woman says shes a woman even if she has a dick, all I see is a woman. I distinguish individual people by their personality and their actions.
So when I see people arguing about the superficial it really doesnt make much sense to me. People are people and deserve to be treated as such.

Anyway my advice to the op or anyone that feels they are in a bad relationship. Move on, you dont need the pain. Find one of the good ones in this world, im sure they exist somewhere.

[Fyusian]

Labels are like insults, they can be hurtful which is why we as humans care especially if they're incorrect. It doesn't matter what type of sexual activity the OP engaged in with his ex, whether a passive role of taking her cock or versatile but his sexuality would be determined by his attraction to her not his sexual activity with her.

Clearly his attraction is only towards women, trans or not so he is straight. So being called a fag is eventually going to piss him off especially coming from his girlfriend who seems to have only saw him as a ticket.

But hey genetic girls can be like this too.