The Difference Between TS and Shemale

[nysprod]

I really got some laughs from the "All Straight Men Deserve To Be Tricked" thread, but the OP seemed to make an important distinction between Transexuals and Shemales. Have a look at what she said and I'll pose some questions:

Pre-Ops/Post-Ops Transsexuals ARE NOT INTO TRANNY-CHASERS(The type of men who identify themselves as straight guys but in reality are a type of bisexuals who like girls with DICKS intentionally). They are the preference of SHEMALES (NON-OPS), girls who prefer to remain with their dicks forever BUT NOT POST-OP TRANSSEXUALS.

For now, let's ignore the word "chaser"...this term is constantly talked about in other threads so I don't want to get into it here.

Now, what she seems to be saying is that a person cannot identify as a transexual unless they are either pre-op or post-op. I'm assuming the term pre-op applies to anyone who wants SRS...whether they ever have it done or not is irrelevant; the point is that they want SRS.

The term shemale, on the other hand, would seem to apply to girls (women?) who do not want SRS at any point.

Is this how it works? Also, where does a person who has been castrated fit into the spectrum?

[amberskyi]

Shemale is a porn term, much like bbw or milf.in the industry i suppose it has it's place but in the real world/social settings it's offensive.
You probably wouldn't call an attractive older woman a milf to her face would ya

[nysprod]

Shemale is a porn term, much like bbw or milf.in the industry i suppose it has it's place but in the real world/social settings it's offensive.
You probably wouldn't call an attractive older woman a milf to her face would ya

It isn't me doing the calling...but the point is that a person cannot refer to themself as transexual unless they are either pre or post op...is this true?

[nysprod]

Shemale is a porn term, much like bbw or milf.in the industry i suppose it has it's place but in the real world/social settings it's offensive.
You probably wouldn't call an attractive older woman a milf to her face would ya

It isn't me doing the calling...but the point being made in that thread seems to be that a person cannot refer to themself as transexual unless they are either pre or post op...is this true?

[amberskyi]

It isn't me doing the calling...but the point is that a person cannot refer to themself as transexual unless they are either pre or post op...is this true?

No, not at all.there are non op transsexuals

[nysprod]

No, not at all.there are non op transsexuals

Ok...she also seems to be saying that non ops prefer chasers while pre and post ops do not...true? Also, this seems to be a swipe at non ops...what do you think?

[amberskyi]

Ok...she also seems to be saying that non ops prefer chasers while pre and post ops do not...true? Also, this seems to be a swipe at non ops...what do you think?

I don't know.i tend not to read comments from posters who i deem too..uh "radical" in their views.
I do know some ts woman have an elitist mentality sometimes (ie the whole true transsexual thing).I'm nit saying she's one of those girls tho

[Straight Tricker]

Ok...she also seems to be saying that non ops prefer chasers while pre and post ops do not...true? Also, this seems to be a swipe at non ops...what do you think?

There are:

1.Pre-Op
2.Post-Op
3.Non-Op

In the SIMPLEST explanation Pre-Ops/Post-Ops (Transsexuals) are more PASSIVE/BOTTOM while Non-Op Transexuals (Shemales) are more ACTIVE/TOP. Post-Ops/Pre-Ops have that natural instinct to dislike Tranny-Chasers just like majority of chasers have that natural instinct to dislike cross-dressers who they qualify as 'MAN WITH A WIG'.

Pre-Ops generally dislike to do it with chasers cos they hate their dicks as hell and want it chopped off asap and the problem is majority of chasers like medling with their cocks that they hate so much chasers sucking it and worse tend to be more passive and expect the Trans to fuck them COS THEY IDENTIFY 100% AS FEMALE IN THEIR HEAD, though most chasers are versatile as well but pandering more over being passive. The pure active chasers are minority.

BUT despite many pre-ops dislike chasers they accept to go with chasers when money is involved and for work just like a straight guy who dislike gays can let gays suck his cock or fuck him if he pays him.

However me when I was still pre-op I would accept a chaser to have sex for pleasure IF HE WAS SUPER HANDSOME AND BEHAVES BY NOT TOUCHING MY DICK and plays only the active role BUT for money I would force myself even I disliked it. That's what is called PROSTITUTE ONESELF.

Non-Op Transsexuals (Shemales) prefer keeping their dicks and most of them are more ACTIVE/TOP and they like fucking chasers. Though they can be versitile too but pandering more over being ACTIVE.


It's all just of question of girls being active and passive. Shemales are active, Transsexuals are passive.

[nysprod]

There are:

1.Pre-Op
2.Post-Op
3.Non-Op

In the SIMPLEST explanation Pre-Ops/Post-Ops (Transsexuals) are more PASSIVE/BOTTOM while Non-Op Transexuals (Shemales) are more ACTIVE/TOP. Post-Ops/Pre-Ops have that natural instinct to dislike Tranny-Chasers just like majority of chasers have that natural instinct to dislike cross-dressers who they qualify as 'MAN WITH A WIG'.

Pre-Ops generally dislike to do it with chasers cos they hate their dicks as hell and want it chopped off asap and the problem is majority of chasers like medling with their cocks that they hate so much chasers sucking it and worse tend to be more passive and expect the Trans to fuck them COS THEY IDENTIFY 100% AS FEMALE IN THEIR HEAD, though most chasers are versatile as well but pandering more over being passive. The pure active chasers are minority.

BUT despite many pre-ops dislike chasers they accept to go with chasers when money is involved and for work just like a straight guy who dislike gays can let gays suck his cock or fuck him if he pays him.

However me when I was still pre-op I would accept a chaser to have sex for pleasure IF HE WAS SUPER HANDSOME AND BEHAVES BY NOT TOUCHING MY DICK and plays only the active role BUT for money I would force myself even I disliked it. That's what is called PROSTITUTE ONESELF.

Non-Op Transsexuals (Shemales) prefer keeping their dicks and most of them are more ACTIVE/TOP and they like fucking chasers. Though they can be versitile too but pandering more over being ACTIVE.


It's all just of question of girls being active and passive. Shemales are active, Transsexuals are passive.

Ok, now once you go post op, do you want it more in the pussy or ass?

[robertlouis]

As Amber pointed out, there are also non-op transsexuals, who are girls who do not plan to have srs at any time in the future. I've met a few and fully understand and respect their rational. They do, however, tend to be included under the term pre-op by most people. But their personal desires and aspirations are often totally different.

[nysprod]

As Amber pointed out, there are also non-op transsexuals, who are girls who do not plan to have srs at any time in the future. I've met a few and fully understand and respect their rational. They do, however, tend to be included under the term pre-op by most people. But their personal desires and aspirations are often totally different.

Straight Tricker made the distinction relative to the active/passive roles...non ops are transsexual according to her.

Being the chaser that I am, although I'm 100% top I do like sucking dick...and I like licking balls and ass too...and while I respect people's choices, for me a post op seems to defeat the purpose although if I met a really hot one I would want to do her.

However, my usual chasing activities involve pre op girls.

[Wendy Summers]

This is all hogwash by someone trying to justify their own desire for SRS so they can prove it's "needed".

I'm non-op. It has nothing to do with not wanting a vagina. Would I have preferred to have been born with one? Sure. But the results from surgeries are nowhere near what I'd want. Couple that with the fact that outside of porn and a handful of legal issues, having a penis other than a vagina has ZERO impact on my day to day life, and I have no compelling interest to pursue it.

Similarly top/ nontop is bullshit. I know many TS's who want and will et the surgery and do top and vice versa, I know TSs who never want the surgery and only bottom.

[RallyCola]

This is all hogwash by someone trying to justify their own desire for SRS so they can prove it's "needed".

I'm non-op. It has nothing to do with not wanting a vagina. Would I have preferred to have been born with one? Sure. But the results from surgeries are nowhere near what I'd want. Couple that with the fact that outside of porn and a handful of legal issues, having a penis other than a vagina has ZERO impact on my day to day life, and I have no compelling interest to pursue it.

Similarly top/ nontop is bullshit. I know many TS's who want and will et the surgery and do top and vice versa, I know TSs who never want the surgery and only bottom.

wendy put it perfectly. to pigeonhole operative status based on active/passive roles is ridiculous.

[nysprod]

I know TSs who never want the surgery and only bottom.

These are my kind of girls (as long as they still want oral).

[dabaldone]

I don't know.i tend not to read comments from posters who i deem too..uh "radical" in their views.
I do know some ts woman have an elitist mentality sometimes (ie the whole true transsexual thing).I'm nit saying she's one of those girls tho

As Amberski said, shemale is a porn term. The OP who made the post about tricking straight men needs serious therapy. Even after SRS, you're still a ranssexual woman - you're just a post-op transsexual. That's the biggest issue with some post-ops. They have a superority complex against the pre or non-ops. A manufactured vagina DOES NOT make you 100% woman. if you're. Not a woman before SRS, you never will be.

[RallyCola]

as far as labels....to the OP..

clearly the word shemale has its place in the cultural lexicon but it has and probably always will have a negative connotation to it. in passing, you may use it interchangeably with transwoman or tgirl, but it still is disrespectful just like he-she, sissyboi, or chick with a dick.

[Jericho]

About $300 a shoot! :shrug

[RallyCola]

As Amberski said, shemale is a porn term. The OP who made the post about tricking straight men needs serious therapy. Even after SRS, you're still a ranssexual woman - you're just a post-op transsexual. That's the biggest issue with some post-ops. They have a superority complex against the pre or non-ops. A manufactured vagina DOES NOT make you 100% woman. if you're. Not a woman before SRS, you never will be.


well said.

[GroobySteven]

This is a non-issue by someone clearly with other agendas.

"Shemale" is a word used by the porn industry to sell transgenders. A pre-op, post-op or non-op can be a "shemale".

I suggest you ignore anything the OP states as fact.

[nysprod]

This is a non-issue by someone clearly with other agendas.

"Shemale" is a word used by the porn industry to sell transgenders. A pre-op, post-op or non-op can be a "shemale".

I suggest you ignore anything the OP states as fact.

Which quotes do you mean?

[Wendy Summers]

Which quotes do you mean?

All of them lol

[GroobySteven]

Which quotes do you mean?

I never mentioned any "quotes".

[Straight Tricker]

Even among the girls, we have different points of view. Here is another version taken from another website with another girl...

"Posted by tgcyndi Feb 7th, 2011 at 12:13PM

Wow, the depth and breadth of the misinformation in these answers is BREATHTAKING!

"Shemale" = a term describing a male-to-female transgender person who intentionally retains their male genitalia, while surgically and hormonally transforming the rest of their body to appear as feminine as possible. Typically these individuals pursue a career in some part of the "sex industry".

PLEASE NOTE, this term does NOT necessarily apply to all NON-OP trans-women, and there are MANY who take great umbrage at being referred to as "shemales", particularly from those outside the trans-community, much the same as most black people resent the "N-word".

"Transsexuals" are those who either are, or have serious intentions of, living full time, 24/7, as the gender opposite of how they were born, due to a profound conflict between what is in their hearts and minds vs what is between their legs.

For a wide variety of reasons too complex to go into here, not ALL transsexuals will undergo gender reconfiguration surgery (GRS), but that does NOT make them "shemales".

"Ladyboy" is a slang term specific to ethnicly Asian transsexuals, due to their typically youthful appearance.

Then there is the old "umbrella" term - TRANSGENDER - which can be safely used without fear of offense for pretty much ALL OF THE ABOVE catagories, although individual results may vary.

Get it?

Got it?

GOOD!
"

Source: http://www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/What-Is-The-Difference-Between-Shemales-Ladyboys-And-Transsexuals/6742

[GroobySteven]

Even among the girls, we have different points of view. Here is another version taken from another website with another girl...

You can have as many views and opinions as you want, you're still wrong.
What's your reason for being on this site apart from to start shit?

[Straight Tricker]

You can have as many views and opinions as you want, you're still wrong.
What's your reason for being on this site apart from to start shit?

And who the fuck are you to tell me if I'm wrong or not? This site doesn't belong to you neither and it's none of your business what I do here.

[RallyCola]

And who the fuck are you to tell me if I'm wrong or not? This site doesn't belong to you neither and it's none of your business what I do here.


actually...he owns the board.

[Straight Tricker]

actually...he owns the board.

Oh great 'welcoming' to newbies here I see, specially coming from the founder. He wants to go over power tripping so be it, I don't give shit. There are many other transgender boards where I can express myself. Adios! :loser:

[GroobySteven]

Oh great 'welcoming' to newbies here I see, specially coming from the founder. He wants to go over power tripping so be it, I don't give shit. There are many other transgender boards where I can express myself. Adios! :loser:


Bye! Good riddance.

[Straight Tricker]

This is a non-issue by someone clearly with other agendas.

"Shemale" is a word used by the porn industry to sell transgenders. A pre-op, post-op or non-op can be a "shemale".

I suggest you ignore anything the OP states as fact.

Can I ask you a final question? As I've been told this is your forum right? So you claim pre-op trans, post-op trans and non-op Transsexuals are all Shemales then why you put name of your forum 'HungAngels - Guide to Shemales and Transsexuals.

If Shemales and Transsexuals are the same thing to you, then why you put both words and didn't pick just one if both mean the same thing?

And the forum rules pertain that you are not allowed to call any transgender here a 'HE' yet you insult me a Post-Op transsexual and call me sheMALE which is very fucking offensive. So your own rules are contradictory in your own forum.

[GroobySteven]

Can I ask you a final question? As I've been told this is your forum right? So you claim pre-op trans, post-op trans and non-op Transsexuals are all Shemales then why you put name of your forum 'HungAngels - Guide to Shemales and Transsexuals.

If Shemales and Transsexuals are the same thing to you, then why you put both words and didn't pick just one if both mean the same thing?

And the forum rules pertain that you are not allowed to call any transgender here a 'HE' yet you insult me a Post-Op transsexual and call me sheMALE which is very fucking offensive. So your own rules are contradictory in your own forum.


I'll answer your question - and then you're leaving.
The text "Hungangels - Guide of Shemales and Transsexuals" was put in before we took over the forum. However, it's keyword intensive which means google will rank "hungangels" with both the words "transsexuals" and "shemales", so I'd keep it.

So you claim calling you "sheMALE" is offensive? I don't believe I did. If you are referring to the MALE part of the word, would you be happier if I called you "feMALE" or not?

You're an imbecile and a troll - get out of here.

[Straight Tricker]

I'll answer your question - and then you're leaving.
The text "Hungangels - Guide of Shemales and Transsexuals" was put in before we took over the forum. However, it's keyword intensive which means google will rank "hungangels" with both the words "transsexuals" and "shemales", so I'd keep it.

So you claim calling you "sheMALE" is offensive? I don't believe I did. If you are referring to the MALE part of the word, would you be happier if I called you "feMALE" or not?

You're an imbecile and a troll - get out of here.

Then you should have put your forum name "Hungangels - Guide of Shemales and Transsexuals and Cross Dressers and Transvestites" cos those keywords are search on Google too.

And yes I'd be more happy if you called me FEmale. And I'm a human, not a troll. :loser:

[Chaos]

So you claim calling you "sheMALE" is offensive? I don't believe I did. If you are referring to the MALE part of the word, would you be happier if I called you "feMALE" or not?

Don't forget Woman or Women....

[GroobySteven]

Then you should have put your forum name "Hungangels - Guide of Shemales and Transsexuals and Cross Dressers and Transvestites" cos those keywords are search on Google too.

And yes I'd be more happy if you called me FEmale. And I'm a human, not a troll. :loser:

Bye!

[natina]

LOOK AT THIS


The eroticization of M2F transsexuals by straight men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v79_9x7JlQ

[nysprod]

Excellent video...I'm sure she has a lot more to say on the subject but I think another thing that makes sex with a TS so attractive is the " bad" or "forbidden" aspect of the whole experience. Like it feels good to be bad...

And let's face it, men see TS women as being hypersexual, which is another attraction.

[fivekatz]

As Amber pointed out, there are also non-op transsexuals, who are girls who do not plan to have srs at any time in the future. I've met a few and fully understand and respect their rational. They do, however, tend to be included under the term pre-op by most people. But their personal desires and aspirations are often totally different.I saw a documentary I think it was on HBO about the overall porn industry and not just TS and they had a segment with Vanity. She said that she was not going to do SRS because she afraid she might not be able to cum and have the same enjoyment from sex if she did.

I found it an interesting take, in part because it was insight into a world of another person, whether or not it was bullshit for the entertainment factor or a real emotion, it just the same was an interesting take.

Whether a girl goes all the way to SRS, lives as a woman with a cock but not interest in using as a male would, or demonstrates bi-sexual preferences when having sex but chooses to live as a woman, it is incumbent on the rest of us IMHO to respect her choice and treat her as a women.

Now for some of us "chasers" maybe we have bi-tendancy but like a woman attached to the cock. For some chasers SRS maybe their thing.

What the heck is it with labels anyway? People explore their sexuality, their intellectuality and their humanity in different ways. Shemale as Amber pointed out is one of those keyword terms in porn, like MILF. It typical tells the consumer of the porn that the feature has a woman with a cock. But that woman regardless of her cock, regardless of her preferences in bed has made the decision to live as woman.

Society should respect that while at the same time depending on what turns folks on the distinction would matter.

As for the long debate about "chasers" I have come to the conclusion that everyone is a chaser when their primary interest is sex and what they are really chasing is the ultimate result which is an orgasm and whatever gets them off is what they are chasing at the moment.

So while we can label things until the next century people are people and they come in all varieties, with a very common one being horny and unfortunately another one being narrow minded.

[Molly D'Vyne]

This is all hogwash by someone trying to justify their own desire for SRS so they can prove it's "needed".

I'm non-op. It has nothing to do with not wanting a vagina. Would I have preferred to have been born with one? Sure. But the results from surgeries are nowhere near what I'd want. Couple that with the fact that outside of porn and a handful of legal issues, having a penis other than a vagina has ZERO impact on my day to day life, and I have no compelling interest to pursue it.

Similarly top/ nontop is bullshit. I know many TS's who want and will et the surgery and do top and vice versa, I know TSs who never want the surgery and only bottom.

<3 ! You put this brilliantly Wendy. When I originally approached transition I'd planned on getting surgery as soon as I could because I felt it was needed to feel complete as a woman... but after living full-time as a woman for a year, it really doesn't matter much in my standard day-to-day life what my genitalia is.

Personally, as more surgical advancements come about I may consider it more again... but for now... society sees me as a woman... and more importantly, I see myself as a woman. That's all that matters really.

[nysprod]

<3 ! You put this brilliantly Wendy. When I originally approached transition I'd planned on getting surgery as soon as I could because I felt it was needed to feel complete as a woman... but after living full-time as a woman for a year, it really doesn't matter much in my standard day-to-day life what my genitalia is.

Personally, as more surgical advancements come about I may consider it more again... but for now... society sees me as a woman... and more importantly, I see myself as a woman. That's all that matters really.

I think what's important is to find out who you are and become comfortable with it. The labels that other people want to put on you shouldn't define how you see yourself.