Chasers.

[BellaBellucci]

We need to stop calling guys who are attracted to transsexuals 'tranny chasers,' because not all of them are attracted to penis. Instead, we need to start calling guys who are attracted to dick 'dick chasers.'

That is all.

~BB~

[garypeters123]

Actually the scientific name for a trannychaser is "gynandromorphophiliac (https://www.google.com/search?q=gynandromorphophilia&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS508US508&oq=gynandromorphophilia&aqs=chrome.0.57j60j62.526&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)".

Tranny chaser is fine with me. Transwomen tolerate the pejorative term "shemale", I am cool with being called a trannychaser .. lol

[nysprod]

We need to stop calling guys who are attracted to transsexuals 'tranny chasers,' because not all of them are attracted to penis. Instead, we need to start calling guys who are attracted to dick 'dick chasers.'

That is all.

~BB~

Bella, there is something out there called "life"...my advice is that you try to get yourself one...then maybe you'll be able to stop being so gynandromorphophilicphobic

[RallyCola]

We need to stop calling guys who are attracted to transsexuals 'tranny chasers,' because not all of them are attracted to penis. Instead, we need to start calling guys who are attracted to dick 'dick chasers.'

That is all.

~BB~


lol. so sad.

one day, when you can afford to invert your penis, please just cut if off and feed it to a hungry puppy.

while we are at it, we need to stop calling man hating trolling cunts "bella" and call them what they really are...

[flabbybody]

Actually the scientific name for a trannychaser is "gynandromorphophiliac (https://www.google.com/search?q=gynandromorphophilia&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS508US508&oq=gynandromorphophilia&aqs=chrome.0.57j60j62.526&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)".

Tranny chaser is fine with me. Transwomen tolerate the pejorative term "shemale", I am cool with being called a trannychaser .. lol
yea lets start using that word instead.
anyone going to the gynandromorphophilic party tonight ?

[BellaBellucci]

I was just trying to point out that every 'chaser' is not just in it for the 'd.' I was actually defending some of you guys!

So yeah. There's already a lot of reflected self-hatred here. :lol:

~BB~

[Chaos]

Personally,you can call me whatever you like,makes no difference.
I know what I want,I know what I like,and I know what I am.
Wow, there's a lot of hostility on the boards lately.

[fred41]

Actually the scientific name for a trannychaser is "gynandromorphophiliac (https://www.google.com/search?q=gynandromorphophilia&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS508US508&oq=gynandromorphophilia&aqs=chrome.0.57j60j62.526&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)".


Thank you!!!..I feel more sophisticated already.


....that's right..R-E-S-P-E-C-T

[flabbybody]

I was just trying to point out that every 'chaser' is not just in it for the 'd.' I was actually defending some of you guys!

So yeah. There's already a lot of reflected self-hatred here. :lol:

~BB~
thank BB.
I've met a few chaser friends over the years who've claimed they're not in it for the "d".
I'm always polite and pretend to believe them.

[tsdvdman]

This thread got posted directly after the OP went to the bathroom to take piss

[BellaBellucci]

thank BB.
I've met a few chaser friends over the years who've claimed they're not in it for the "d".
I'm always polite and pretend to believe them.

ROFL! :Bowdown:

~BB~

[Lovecox]

I don't know if this is an appropriate website to disparage people for their sexual preferences. You should try smallmindedpeople.com.

[SXFX]

sigh...

[RallyCola]

I don't know if this is an appropriate website to disparage people for their sexual preferences. You should try smallmindedpeople.com.

is that one better than christianmingle.com?

[BeardedOne]

What if her name isn't Dick?

[RallyCola]

What if her name isn't Dick?

well bella would have you rename her so that you can love the one you are with

[SXFX]

so let me get this straight....the guy who finds you attractive and wants to speak with you and to know you better....should be looked down upon?
Am i the only one a little bemused by this?

[BellaBellucci]

well bella would have you rename her so that you can love the one you are with

Love the One You're With - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5IVuN1N6-Y)

~BB~

[robertlouis]

Maybe the fact that we're about to enter the Chinese year of the snake might suggest another title - snake followers?

And thanks for posting that Stephen Stills clip, Bella - back in the day when I did covers, that song featured a lot!

[Dino Velvet]

Maybe the fact that we're about to enter the Chinese year of the snake might suggest another title - snake followers.

When is the Year Of The Starfish?

[Merkurie]

I have not yet found a web board or web page devoted to men's appreciation of the deeper aspects of women's souls.

[garypeters123]

Cut BB some slack -- I do NOT think she was putting us trannychasers down. She was just making an observation.

Speaking for myself, I prefer a transwoman with a dick to a postop transwoman. So technically I guess she is right. So I guess I am a cock-chaser-as-long-as-it-is-attached-to-a-woman.

And if anyone from any of the genders doesn't like people like me, that's not my problem.

[robertlouis]

When is the Year Of The Starfish?

:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown: Dino.

[fivekatz]

Cut BB some slack -- I do NOT think she was putting us trannychasers down. She was just making an observation.

Speaking for myself, I prefer a transwoman with a dick to a postop transwoman. So technically I guess she is right. So I guess I am a cock-chaser-as-long-as-it-is-attached-to-a-woman.

And if anyone from any of the genders doesn't like people like me, that's not my problem.Technically I agree that I am more interested i pre-op transwomen, but I have no idea if I would care or could tell if a woman was post-op.

Bella seems to a very,very smart person but is just a pissed that men are interested in her "first" because she has a cock. My guess is there is a lot more there than a cock and just maybe if the men she meets or maybe it may be Bella that gave it more time they would find a basis for far deeper conversation.

BB, no shit guys are interested in you because you a girl with a cock. Not a fem-guy with a cock but a women with a cock. Yes you might draw a whole different group of men to you if you were a women with a vagina or a man with a cock, but just maybe they would like or dislike you, be attracted or put off by you for the same reasons?

Tranny chasers, cock chasers, whatever you want to call them are just guys that are transfixed on "the other side". They find comfort in the fact that it is a woman with a penis. So? It isn't anymore scornful that those men are that way than it is that many men find they really are women whether they are pre-op or post-op.

Why be so pissed off about this? It is just one a the many variances in humans that make the species so damn interesting IMHO.

[bluesoul]

Actually the scientific name for a trannychaser is "gynandromorphophiliac (https://www.google.com/search?q=gynandromorphophilia&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS508US508&oq=gynandromorphophilia&aqs=chrome.0.57j60j62.526&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)".

Tranny chaser is fine with me. Transwomen tolerate the pejorative term "shemale", I am cool with being called a trannychaser .. lol


and the scientific name for a tranny is human gynandromorph. that's pretty cool

"hey gregory, what are your plans for the evening?"

"you know, i was honestly thinking about paying for sex with a human gynandromorph i saw on eros about 2 weeks ago. her add mentioned her penis was 9 inches long"

[fivekatz]

and the scientific name for a tranny is human gynandromorph. that's pretty cool

"hey gregory, what are your plans for the evening?"

"you know, i was honestly thinking about paying for sex with a human gynandromorph i saw on eros about 2 weeks ago. her add mentioned her penis was 9 inches long"Now this is a very witty post...:Bowdown:

[nysprod]

so let me get this straight....the guy who finds you attractive and wants to speak with you and to know you better....should be looked down upon?
Am i the only one a little bemused by this?

Could you imagine the life of someone who actually sits around thinking about things like this and then feels the urge to start a thread on it?

[RallyCola]

I have not yet found a web board or web page devoted to men's appreciation of the deeper aspects of women's souls.

christianmingle.com
jdate.com

[BigDF]

We need to stop calling guys who are attracted to transsexuals 'tranny chasers,' because not all of them are attracted to penis. Instead, we need to start calling guys who are attracted to dick 'dick chasers.'

That is all.

~BB~Oddly enough I gave this one a thumbs up, just because it is so uniquely you.

Talk about others being obsessed with dicks, go look in the mirror sometime. I hate to say it, but I've been giving this subject a lot of thought, influenced greatly by yours and other's misogyny in this regard. In his response to RallyCola touched upon this but my opinion is based largely on what I've learned about SRS or whatever the name of the week is for the operation.

When I look at a pre-op, or non-op MtF for that matter, I've begun to view the penis as simply an inverted vagina. As a heterosexual male, I've been chasing vaginas all of my life, as I suspect most of my compatriots are. I've successfully caught a few too.

I often seen you lamenting the fact that you can't find a good man who will take you as you are. Well, hon, until you can take yourself as you are, and allow someone chasing you to actually catch you, you won't.

Bella I like and respect you, except when you get up on your high horse on this stuff and condemn us all. I know you to be a decent and compassionate person. I wish you would show that side of yourself more often on here.:geek:

[oralboy707]

Maybe we should call them "gynas" (jeanas) for short

[tsdvdman]

BB is screaming for attention because she hates her dick

[RallyCola]

BB is screaming for attention because she hates her dick

lol. maybe she should stream her GRS live on the interwebz so she can have attention at the same time as saying "bye bye my little friend."

[TSLoverUK999]

Well I've certainly learnt something today, gynandromorphophilia.

[Stavros]

Maybe we should abbreviate it to...Nandos?..

[RallyCola]

Maybe we should abbreviate it to...Nandos?..

those one direction boys would object

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6ju6hIe1N1rvbmo8o1_500.jpg

[rockabilly]

I'm an ass man , plain and simple.

[BellaBellucci]

I love all the comments bashing me for separating attraction to transsexuals from attraction to penis, the latter of which I don't approve because people often use us as a substitute for men, and that goes for both men and women. I thought I was doing you all a favor. Whatever. People understand things in the way that doesn't conflict with their preconceived notions. That's their problem, not mine.

I don't hate my penis. I dislike it, but I don't hate it. I do, however, hate being defined by it. In romantic and sexual situations, we trans women must obviously out ourselves, but whenever we do, the news tends to travel and people begin to see us differently as people. Not as sexual partners, mind you (although they understandably do that too), but as people. Coming out as trans shouldn't change the way people feel about me or any other transwoman on a platonic level.

As far as sexual relations go, I didn't go through the pain of transition to 'be the man.'

Get with this.

~BB~

[RallyCola]

I love all the comments bashing me for separating attraction to transsexuals from attraction to penis, the latter of which I don't approve because people often use us as a substitute for men, and that goes for both men and women. I thought I was doing you all a favor. Whatever. People understand things in the way that doesn't conflict with their preconceived notions. That's their problem, not mine.

I don't hate my penis. I dislike it, but I don't hate it. I do, however, hate being defined by it. In romantic and sexual situations, we trans women must obviously out ourselves, but whenever we do, the news tends to travel and people begin to see us differently as people. Not as sexual partners, mind you (although they understandably do that too), but [I]as people[/U]. Coming out as trans shouldn't change the way people feel about me or any other transwoman on a platonic level.

As far as sexual relations go, I didn't go through the pain of transition to 'be the man.'

Get with this.

~BB~

good old one note bella. she continues to have diarrhea of the mouth
http://www.rottenecards.com/ecards/Rottenecards_77371973_sd5zns5vv6.png

[BellaBellucci]

good old one note bella. she continues to have diarrhea of the mouth

Good 'ol one-note Rally. Trolling trans women for not living up to his expectations (and subsequently proving my point). Your attitude is essentially, 'I love your penis, so you should too.' You don't get to make that decision, unilaterally or otherwise. I don't care if EVERY man on this board agrees with you - it's simply not your call and it's that kind of narcissism that defines the classic chaser.

So many of you guys complain that trans women charge you money for sex. Can you really not see why? #capitalism101

~BB~

[shemalelvr]

Personally,you can call me whatever you like,makes no difference.
I know what I want,I know what I like,and I know what I am.
Wow, there's a lot of hostility on the boards lately.

you noticed that too? maybe people are just sick of the winte and being inside and need to vent..

[bluesoul]

We need to stop calling guys who are attracted to transsexuals 'tranny chasers,' because not all of them are attracted to penis. Instead, we need to start calling guys who are attracted to dick 'dick chasers.'

That is all.

~BB~

you have to admire the chasers though: for far too long they've been labelled as chasers, dismissed, outed, vilified, and charged more money for sex. but today, the chasers are standing as one voice, they're standing their ground. they've had it.

punished for loving the very thing that makes them happy? nein. the chasers are taking back their name. they do not forgive. they do not forget. they're coming for your penis with a wad of 100s. expect them

http://i.imgur.com/Gfq5E3Y.jpg

[BellaBellucci]

you have to admire the chasers though: for far too long they've been labelled as chasers, dismissed, outed, vilified, and charged more money for sex. but today, the chasers are standing as one voice, they're standing their ground. they've had it.

punished for loving the very thing that makes them happy? nein. the chasers are taking back their name. they do not forgive. they do not forget. they're coming for your penis with a wad of 100s. expect them

http://i.imgur.com/Gfq5E3Y.jpg

OK. I'll play. What makes them happy exactly? And do they not care that their sexual desires are sometimes an insult to those they expect to satisfy them - for no compensation?

~BB~

[RallyCola]

Good 'ol one-note Rally. Trolling trans women for not living up to his expectations (and subsequently proving my point). Your attitude is essentially, 'I love your penis, so you should too.' You don't get to make that decision, unilaterally or otherwise. I don't care if EVERY man on this board agrees with you - it's simply not your call and it's that kind of narcissism that defines the classic chaser.

So many of you guys complain that trans women charge you money for sex. Can you really not see why? If I'm going to be forced to do something I don't like, I expect to get paid. #capitalism101

~BB~

1...i never complain about paying for the escorts i see...i choose ones that are within a price i feel comfortable paying just as i choose store brand plastic zipper bags instead of the more expensive ziplock brand.
2...i never said i wasn't a chaser. of course i am a chaser because i have no intentions of leaving my wife for another woman. i'm not looking for any emotional bond...just a bit of fun when i'm allowed to play.
3...i'm a one-note person because i'm an incredible asshole incapable of showing any depth of character on a porn forum and more importantly, i'm not trying to impress anyone here. trust me, i can't because that which i value and hold in high regard isn't important in a porn forum so its pointless to try seek approval of anyone here. you just don't understand that.
4...i'm not fucking people for money and then hypocritically judging them

bella...the fact remains that you contribute very little to this board as do i, except i'm here for comic relief. you likely disagree with that statement and feel that you are an important member here...which is fine...but this forum would go on without you, me or 90% of the memberlist. you, however, expect to be taken seriously and continually have only one pigeonholed point of view while you attempt to judge others AND while rejecting their judgement of you. if you can't see that your actions speak far more loudly than the point you try to make over and over, then it clearly shows your limitations.

i would challenge any objective reader to read your posts and not see that you are a miserable person just trying to get by on justifications and bullshit. there difference between you and i is simply that i'm an asshole because its fun and realize the ramifications of every word that I type here and know that I can't control what others think of me, and you are a cunt because you don't know any better but want to be respected when you don't respect others.

you want respect and to be taken seriously...then i suggest you stop selling ass so you aren't viewed as a hypocrite.

[BellaBellucci]

1...i never complain about paying for the escorts i see...i choose ones that are within a price i feel comfortable paying just as i choose store brand plastic zipper bags instead of the more expensive ziplock brand.
2...i never said i wasn't a chaser. of course i am a chaser because i have no intentions of leaving my wife for another woman. i'm not looking for any emotional bond...just a bit of fun when i'm allowed to play.
3...i'm a one-note person because i'm an incredible asshole incapable of showing any depth of character on a porn forum and more importantly, i'm not trying to impress anyone here. trust me, i can't because that which i value and hold in high regard isn't important in a porn forum so its pointless to try seek approval of anyone here. you just don't understand that.
4...i'm not fucking people for money and then hypocritically judging them

bella...the fact remains that you contribute very little to this board as do i, except i'm here for comic relief. you likely disagree with that statement and feel that you are an important member here...which is fine...but this forum would go on without you, me or 90% of the memberlist. you, however, expect to be taken seriously and continually have only one pigeonholed point of view while you attempt to judge others AND while rejecting their judgement of you. if you can't see that your actions speak far more loudly than the point you try to make over and over, then it clearly shows your limitations.

i would challenge any objective reader to read your posts and not see that you are a miserable person just trying to get by on justifications and bullshit. there difference between you and i is simply that i'm an asshole because its fun and realize the ramifications of every word that I type here and know that I can't control what others think of me, and you are a cunt because you don't know any better but want to be respected when you don't respect others.

you want respect and to be taken seriously...then i suggest you stop selling ass so you aren't viewed as a hypocrite.

There's so much fail here that it isn't worth addressing you point-by-point. Again, you project your feelings about yourself onto me - and you pretty much admit it. All of your judgments are based on your own opinions and desires, not facts or understanding for others.

As such, you're not exactly presenting a winning argument here.

I also fail to see how I'm being hypocritical. I'm not on this planet only to be an object of fetishistic desires. If all you want from me is my cock, that's fine, but you gotta pay to play... and I STILL won't top you. Thems be the breaks.

It's interesting that male CD's litter craigslist looking for bottoms, but so many guys come here instead, presumably because transsexuals are more attractive, to tell us that not only should we be more like them, but if we're not, then we hate ourselves. *smh*

Save the attempted manipulation of self-esteem for a girl who will fall for it. I'm not the one.

~BB~

[Odelay]

Tranny chaser is fine with me. Transwomen tolerate the pejorative term "shemale", I am cool with being called a trannychaser .. lol

Thanks, Gary. In 19 words and a lol, you totally sum up how I feel.

[bluesoul]

OK. I'll play. What makes them happy exactly? And do they not care that their sexual desires are sometimes an insult to those they expect to satisfy them - for no compensation?

~BB~

i've never understood this mindset where one party expects compensation for sex. you're a participant in that activity, so unless you're really not enjoying it, i'm not sure what there is to be compensated for. unless of course you don't think men and transsexuals are equals--

with that said, if someone paid for sex, it's highly unlikely they're going to start considering what will or will not insult you. the payment is for their benefit which is to get their nut off.

also, men who specifically seek out transsexuals are obviously doing so because they offer something women cannot. as to what that is, i'm sure you can figure it out :whistle:

hope that answered your questions

[RallyCola]

There's so much fail here that it isn't worth addressing you point-by-point. Again, you project your feelings about yourself onto me - and you pretty much admit it. All of your judgments are based on your own opinions and desires, not facts or understanding for others.

As such, you're not exactly presenting a winning argument here.

I also fail to see how I'm being hypocritical. I'm not on this planet only to be an object of fetishistic desires. If all you want from me is my cock, that's fine, but you gotta pay to play... and I STILL won't top you. Thems be the breaks.

It's interesting that male CD's litter craigslist looking for bottoms, but so many guys come here instead, presumably because transsexuals are more attractive, to tell us that not only should we be more like them, but if we're not, then we hate ourselves. *smh*

Save the attempted manipulation of self-esteem for a girl who will fall for it. I'm not the one.

~BB~

pathetic deflection from a waste of a penis :dancing:

and yes, i chose my words carefully there for your benefit

[BellaBellucci]

i've never understood this mindset where one party expects compensation for sex. you're a participant in that activity, so unless you're really not enjoying it

If someone is fixated solely on my penis, you're right, I don't enjoy it. But if I'm being paid, it's tolerable. What of it? :lol:

Oh, and true chasers don't pay. They expect. It's all about their own satisfaction while expending the least possible amount of effort and preying on those needy for sexual validation. Let's not confuse them with actual clients. :lol:

~BB~

[broncofan]

And do they not care that their sexual desires are sometimes an insult to those they expect to satisfy them - for no compensation?

~BB~
Their sexual desires are an insult to those they're attracted to? If you aren't compatible with someone who has an interest in you, there's no match. That's all there is to it. What interests them in turn turns you off. I don't see why they should be labelled or attacked because certain parts of the anatomy excite them.

It takes someone who is extremely self-obsessed to view attraction, whether to a body part they are uncomfortable with or to anything else about them as a personal affront. Attraction is natural and while it may be frustrating for someone to like you for reasons you don't want to emphasize, it's not malicious at all. If you want people to like you for your personality, develop a personality they can appreciate.

[RallyCola]

from bella's website....
Hi, I'm Bella! I'm a horny girl with a quick tongue and devilish look in my eye. I can be a demanding bitch or your dirty little slut, according to your preference! With soft skin, long legs, and voluptuous hips and rear assets, as well as a warm, down-to-earth demeanor and a desire to please, I can offer an encounter that will stimulate you in ways that you never thought possible! I am truly unique in every way and can't wait to show you the difference.


so, i got the number from your siggy. when next i am in SD or LA, i'm going to call you, cum on your face, start to count out your tip then tell you i'm rallycola and see how you feel about it. if you take my money willingly and without hesitation, your true colors and motivation will be displayed.

[bluesoul]

If someone is fixated solely on my penis, you're right, I don't like it. What of it? :lol:

well, if you accepted and took their money, then chances are they don't care whether or not you're enjoying it.


Oh, and true chasers don't pay. They expect. It's all about their own satisfaction while expending the least possible amount of effort and preying on those needy for sexual validation. Let's not confuse them with actual clients. :lol:

~BB~

here's a question for you: in your opinion, why does a man (who swears he's not gay) seek out a transsexual for sex?

i personally think what separates "actual clients" from chasers is nothing more than a little patience and tenacity.

[BellaBellucci]

Their sexual desires are an insult to those they're attracted to?

I'm sorry. I don't remember writing that. Because I didn't. For the eleventeenth time, the insult comes in what they are attracted to, not whom. It's about the reduction of a person down to a body part - one that the person attached never wanted.

I swear that some of you guys don't see this simply because you just don't want to. It's a defense mechanism. Having even a half-assed argument in your defense gives you enough benefit of the doubt to continue trolling for dick.


It takes someone who is extremely self-obsessed to view attraction, whether to a body part they are uncomfortable with or to anything else about them as a personal affront. Attraction is natural and while it may be frustrating for someone to like you for reasons you don't want to emphasize, it's not malicious at all. If you want people to like you for your personality, develop a personality they can appreciate.

So now you're going to try to convince me, like Rally, that I should love something about my body merely because someone else is attracted to it. That's an enormously self-serving failure of logic. I don't think it's always malicious (although sometimes it is), but it's still reductive.

And I hope your final line wasn't insinuating that I'm not liked for my personality. I have lots of friends, and generally when someone doesn't like me, the feeling is mutual. The issue is that there are only two reactions that people have when I come out in non-trans oriented spaces - either they view it as a weakness, a birth defect, i.e. something they can socially exploit, or they get turned on even more and suddenly it's like I'm not even there anymore - just their manipulations and fantasies are.

Keep in mind too, that I don't live in the 'tranny world.' I visit often, but I don't live there. Maybe that's the other reason for the disconnect here. People don't suddenly dislike me when I come out and I never said that they did. It just changes the way they look at me, and it's not right.

If any of you men can't understand that, then you're dense and don't deserve a trans woman anyway.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

well, if you accepted and took their money, then chances are they don't care whether or not you're enjoying it.

Which is fine. They're paying. As long as they don't hurt me, it's all just fun!


here's a question for you: in your opinion, why does a man (who swears he's not gay) seek out a transsexual for sex?

They all have their own reasons and desired sexual positions. It's a subjective question. But the one thing they have in common is that they want a girl to want her penis, not just pretend because he's paying.


i personally think what separates "actual clients" from chasers is nothing more than a little patience and tenacity.

Now you're confusing chasers with catchers. ;)

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

from bella's website....
Hi, I'm Bella! I'm a horny girl with a quick tongue and devilish look in my eye. I can be a demanding bitch or your dirty little slut, according to your preference! With soft skin, long legs, and voluptuous hips and rear assets, as well as a warm, down-to-earth demeanor and a desire to please, I can offer an encounter that will stimulate you in ways that you never thought possible! I am truly unique in every way and can't wait to show you the difference.


so, i got the number from your siggy. when next i am in SD or LA, i'm going to call you, cum on your face, start to count out your tip then tell you i'm rallycola and see how you feel about it. if you take my money willingly and without hesitation, your true colors and motivation will be displayed.

Once again, I fail to see the alleged hypocrisy. That's about as tame an escort ad as humanly possible. It mentions nothing about penis, positions, or anything like that. Furthermore, if your kink was BDSM and not specifically penis, I might let you objectify me in the way you described. As least it's something that you can also do with a GG.

Another FAIL. Keep trying if you like, but I'm getting bored and I need to blow dry my hair. :lol:

~BB~

[broncofan]

You don't have to like the part of your body someone is attracted by. Don't date them, be turned off by them, but you should not harbor a grudge.

This description of yours where they reduce you to a single body part sounds a lot like a strawman argument. I have a feeling you consider anyone with any interest at all in that part of your body no matter how secondary, to be objectifying you.

If someone is attracted to you AND for them part of the attraction is your penis, they have not done something worth attacking them over. They have inadvertently touched upon an area of particular sensitivity for you.

Everyone always believes they are being reduced to some single feature they don't want to be the emphasis of someone else' attraction. Money, looks, muscles, breasts, penis. However, it seems to me you're intentionally conflating the individual with fixation on one feature with the person who also happens to have a particular preference in bed. You will realize one day that what you like is not what every transgender woman likes. There are plenty of trannies who enjoy topping. Even those who enjoy topping do not want to be reduced to their penis, as I'm sure nobody likes being reduced in any way, but that's not really what we're talking about. We're talking about people's harmless sexual interests and how they make you feel.

BTW, I was just kidding with the personality comment.

[bluesoul]

They all have their own reasons and desired sexual positions. It's a subjective question. But the one thing they have in common is that they want a girl to want her penis, not just pretend because he's paying.

~BB~

sorry i don't know all the terms (or definitions) but here's the thing: when you're escorting or doing porn/sex work- most guys will know you for your genitalia, and that's how they select who they wish to be with.

so if they reduce you to your genitalia, it's usually because that was one of the things that helped seal the deal as to why you were selected.

so if i (for example) didn't want someone to pay a lot of attention to a certain part of my body, i wouldn't talk about it. so then it would be like "hey, i didn't even know you had a penis" and i'd be like "well, you know, it's a part of me, but it's not really something i like all that much you know? like, i'm actually thinking about getting rid of it"

[rockabilly]

I am entertained. Thumbs up

The chaser debate continues and Bella is a master.

[BellaBellucci]

you should not harbor a grudge.

Granted. But every man here lacks the perspective necessary to understand the frustration we experience on this side of the fence, except those who actually date trans women who might get 'clocked' in public.


This description of yours where they reduce you to a single body part sounds a lot like a strawman argument. I have a feeling you consider anyone with any interest at all in that part of your body no matter how secondary, to be objectifying you.

You said it, not me. This entire thread began with me making this very distinction. The strawman (and ad hominems) are coming from the men here.


If someone is attracted to you AND for them part of the attraction is your penis, they have not done something worth attacking them over. They have inadvertently touched upon an area of particular sensitivity for you.

I haven't attacked any one person, have I?


You will realize one day that what you like is not what every transgender woman likes. There are plenty of trannies who enjoy topping.

I never said that there weren't. I'm only speaking for myself, but if so many girls didn't share my point of view, this topic wouldn't be so controversial. So again, where are the straw men coming from? Certainly not from me. :?


Even those who enjoy topping do not want to be reduced to their penis, as I'm sure nobody likes being reduced in any way, but that's not really what we're talking about. We're talking about people's harmless sexual interests and how they make you feel.

No they don't want to be reduced, but when they are, the chaser's behavior is far from 'harmless.' It's creepy, it's off-putting, and once again, this thread was meant to separate men who enjoy a girl with a penis from those who enjoy a penis on a girl.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

so if i (for example) didn't want someone to pay a lot of attention to a certain part of my body, i wouldn't talk about it. so then it would be like "hey, i didn't even know you had a penis" and i'd be like "well, you know, it's a part of me, but it's not really something i like all that much you know? like, i'm actually thinking about getting rid of it"

That's precisely how I feel and I've said as much in this thread. You're listening to people put words in my mouth if you don't see that. This is just more people believing whatever they want to believe in order to validate their own views.

Again, my ads are in the trans section because I have what I have. They're very tame and I don't consider my penis my main selling point, but merely a characteristic. I never top anymore. The bottom line is that I have to make a living. Even though I do non-adult work as well, it's hard to find where I live, and I pride myself on having diversified income streams anyway.

~BB~

[RallyCola]

ya know, the more bella talks, the less enticing her penis actually is. the irony of it that her personality gets in the way of her penis. usually only men make their penises less attractive with their abrasive and obnoxious personalities. :dancing::dancing::dancing:

[BellaBellucci]

On a final note (fate willing), if guys chased me just because they liked my vagina, I'm positive that I'd take the same position on that as I am here, and I'd call those guys 'chasers,' too.

~BB~

[MrT23]

Bella stop trollin hoe

[BellaBellucci]

Bella stop trollin hoe

:whistle: ;) :party: :dancing: :fuckin:

~BB~

[RallyCola]

On a final note (fate willing), if guys chased me just because they liked my vagina, I'm positive that I'd take the same position on that as I am here, and I'd call those guys 'chasers,' too.

~BB~

once you stop selling it...no one will chase you because you are just an unpleasant person. maybe if you dye your hair blonde and act like a ditz...that might help.

you are free to have your opinions, but the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expected a different result...i'm clearly insane because i continue to try to ask you to reconsider your idiocy...but so you to are insane because you keep trying to make a point and can't win your argument as long as you keep that penis you say you don't like and sell it for profit. may you have a wonderfully miserable night full of profit and self-deprecation.

i really wish you could be the person you claim that you are so you'd have a modicum of happiness with who you were, are and hope to be.

[BellaBellucci]

once you stop selling it...no one will chase you because you are just an unpleasant person. maybe if you dye your hair blonde and act like a ditz...that might help.

you are free to have your opinions, but the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expected a different result...i'm clearly insane because i continue to try to ask you to reconsider your idiocy...but so you to are insane because you keep trying to make a point and can't win your argument as long as you keep that penis you say you don't like and sell it for profit. may you have a wonderfully miserable night full of profit and self-deprecation.

i really wish you could be the person you claim that you are so you'd have a modicum of happiness with who you were, are and hope to be.

Ouch. That hurt. </sarcasm></thread>

~BB~

[Chaos]

I really don't see the big deal...
If you were seeing a girl that didn't like anal,you wouldn't force her into it.
So if a girl doesn't like her penis,why not find other things to do?
I mean if you're really paying someone for JUST their cock,could you not get that elsewhere?
Personally,if I were to visit Bella,it wouldn't be for the parts of herself she doesn't like....
Why would you subject yourself to what would amount to a horrible experience for BOTH of you?
Obviously you choose a girl that is into the things you are...You wouldn't go to a girl with no arms for a handjob...

[bluesoul]

That's precisely how I feel and I've said as much in this thread. You're listening to people put words in my mouth if you don't see that. This is just more people believing whatever they want to believe in order to validate their own views.

Again, my ads are in the trans section because I have what I have. They're very tame and I don't consider my penis my main selling point, but merely a characteristic. I never top anymore. The bottom line is that I have to make a living. Even though I do non-adult work as well, it's hard to find where I live, and I pride myself on having diversified income streams anyway.

~BB~

well- i'm glad we came to an understanding :)

[rockabilly]

If your penis is not a selling point then might it be a gift with purchase?

[BellaBellucci]

I really don't see the big deal...
If you were seeing a girl that didn't like anal,you wouldn't force her into it.
So if a girl doesn't like her penis,why not find other things to do?
I mean if you're really paying someone for JUST their cock,could you not get that elsewhere?
Personally,if I were to visit Bella,it wouldn't be for the parts of herself she doesn't like....
Why would you subject yourself to what would amount to a horrible experience for BOTH of you?
Obviously you choose a girl that is into the things you are...You wouldn't go to a girl with no arms for a handjob...

^ This. I offer a unique experience from a transsexual: actual female companionship like that of a GG escort, for upscale gentlemen only. That includes a rub-down, excellent conversation on an enormous variety of topics, maybe some dirty talk, and then whatever happens, happens - but I don't top anymore. Nothing against anyone else, but it's not what I'm about. If that's what someone wants, they can call a girl who's into it. That's the beauty of capitalism. :geek: :lol:

~BB~

[RallyCola]

I really don't see the big deal...
If you were seeing a girl that didn't like anal,you wouldn't force her into it.
So if a girl doesn't like her penis,why not find other things to do?
I mean if you're really paying someone for JUST their cock,could you not get that elsewhere?
Personally,if I were to visit Bella,it wouldn't be for the parts of herself she doesn't like....
Why would you subject yourself to what would amount to a horrible experience for BOTH of you?
Obviously you choose a girl that is into the things you are...You wouldn't go to a girl with no arms for a handjob...

i'm not asking bella to do anything she doesn't want to do. i'm asking bella to stop persecuting men she labels dick chasers. that is all. i couldn't care any less about what she does with her life...but her opinions that she repeats and repeats in this place are just based on nonsense because she her actions and opinions are simply incongruent.

if you dislike a mole on your face...cut it off.
if you dislike working at mcdonalds...quit and find a new job.
if you dislike the person you are with...break up with them and find a more suitable mate.

all three of these things are actions that would lend credibility to what she says but her continued self-described actions remain at odds with her opinions and she is incapable of actually resolving the 2. that is all.

[bluesoul]

If you were seeing a girl that didn't like anal,you wouldn't force her into it.
So if a girl doesn't like her penis,why not find other things to do?
I mean if you're really paying someone for JUST their cock,could you not get that elsewhere?

that's not a fair comparison because not all girls have penii but all girls have assholes. so men who go for girls knowingly because they have a penis obviously are likely to have an interest in said piece of genitalia, otherwise they'd just go for any woman regardless of what kind of genitalia they had.

if this forum was called personality angels, i'd completely see your point. unfortunately, it's called hung angels- so the hung part is obviously pretty paramount.

[BellaBellucci]

that's not a fair comparison because not all girls have penii but all girls have assholes. so men who go for girls knowingly because they have a penis obviously are likely to have an interest in said piece of genitalia, otherwise they'd just go for any woman regardless of what kind of genitalia they had.

if this forum was called personality angels, i'd completely see your point. unfortunately, it's called hung angels- so the hung part is obviously pretty paramount.

Plenty of guys are turned on enough by the aesthetic or want to spend time with someone who might understand their body a little better. There are other reasons men see transsexuals, and yes, personality is one of them. Saying that a transsexual escort is only good for her penis also ignores the fact that not all men are bottoms. Although, I would agree that most of them are. You guys need to broaden your horizons! There's so much more to us than that!

I mean, if that's all you want, why not get a girl with a strap-on or have a MMF threesome to make it 'less gay?' :lol:

~BB~

[bluesoul]

Plenty of guys are turned on enough by the aesthetic or want to spend time with someone who might understand their body a little better. There are other reasons men see transsexuals, and yes, personality is one of them. Saying that a transsexual escort is only good for her penis also ignores the fact that not all men are bottoms. Although, I would agree that most of them are. You guys need to broaden your horizons! There's so much more to us than that!

I mean, if that's all you want, why not get a girl with a strap-on or have a MMF threesome to make it 'less gay?' :lol:

~BB~

you're too defensive and fail to see my point. sometimes, there is nothing to defend because there is no attack.

also, if "transsexuals "understand their [men] body a little better" i guess they're not really women? personally, i kinda prefer when they don't

[rockabilly]

That's the golden rule.

[BellaBellucci]

you're too defensive and fail to see my point. sometimes, there is nothing to defend because there is no attack.

also, if "transsexuals "understand their [men] body a little better" i guess they're not really women? personally, i kinda prefer when they don't

I did see your point. I was just making a counter-point.

And your second point is a non-sequitur. Understanding the male body through experience doesn't make one a man, but a pre-op transsexual is at least part male and was entirely male at one point. You can't change history. It is what it is.

~BB~

[RallyCola]

bella...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-60RIn62iBA0/UO8JyPg6cTI/AAAAAAAAB9c/2nK7aMdzXdk/s1600/will+you+be+my+valentine+%25281%2529.png


i promise not to violate you with my asshole.

[fivekatz]

On a final note (fate willing), if guys chased me just because they liked my vagina, I'm positive that I'd take the same position on that as I am here, and I'd call those guys 'chasers,' too.

~BB~A long time back maybe it was your last OP of this type, I mentioned that men who chased GG's just to get laid did have a nasty nickname, at least in my day they were called pussy hounds.

And I also get when you say that people treat you differently once they find out you are transgendered. That has to suck, it should not be that way but it is, in 2013 a lot of people who still have phobias about people questioning their sexuality let alone their gender.

You come of as pretty bitter towards guys and in fairness we do often think with our dicks, which we like and like to satisfy often and in many different ways. If you escort you aren't going to find a ton of guys that don't at least in part are fixated on a "chick with a dick" even of the guy is a top. Whether they are schmucks or not is often hard to tell I suppose and with one timers impossible.

As best as I can understand it being transgender is different than being gay, it isn't simply being attracted to the same sex, it is finding you deep down aren't the gender you were born to. Not everybody who is gay is transgender and not everybody who is into transgendered individuals is gay.

So I guess the one thing that transgenders have with those attracted to them is that they aren't in the "mainstream" of whatever it society calls everyday normal.

BB people come in all shapes and sizes, physical, intellectually and emotionally. Not everyone who finds a woman with a penis to be a turn on falls into any category IMHO.

[MdR Dave]

why not get a girl with a strap-on or have a MMF threesome to make it 'less gay?' :lol:

~BB~

In order of "gay". Not that there is anything wrong with it.

1. MMF

2. TS, male receives anal

3. Strapon

4. TS, all other except

5. Giving your partner head when she wants it. Regardless what she's working with.

[BellaBellucci]

A long time back maybe it was your last OP of this type, I mentioned that men who chased GG's just to get laid did have a nasty nickname, at least in my day they were called pussy hounds.

And I also get when you say that people treat you differently once they find out you are transgendered. That has to suck, it should not be that way but it is, in 2013 a lot of people who still have phobias about people questioning their sexuality let alone their gender.

You come of as pretty bitter towards guys and in fairness we do often think with our dicks, which we like and like to satisfy often and in many different ways. If you escort you aren't going to find a ton of guys that don't at least in part are fixated on a "chick with a dick" even of the guy is a top. Whether they are schmucks or not is often hard to tell I suppose and with one timers impossible.

As best as I can understand it being transgender is different than being gay, it isn't simply being attracted to the same sex, it is finding you deep down aren't the gender you were born to. Not everybody who is gay is transgender and not everybody who is into transgendered individuals is gay.

So I guess the one thing that transgenders have with those attracted to them is that they aren't in the "mainstream" of whatever it society calls everyday normal.

BB people come in all shapes and sizes, physical, intellectually and emotionally. Not everyone who finds a woman with a penis to be a turn on falls into any category IMHO.

Thanks for the post. I think you and I agree on a lot here. I understand that a top might be fixated on my genitals, but as least he doesn't expect me to use them to please him, thereby reversing traditional gender roles. I quite enjoy being 'the girl,' thank you. I know when I came to this board I wanted nothing to do with anal sex, but I've had a few good lovers and have changed my mind on it completely, even if I still think many trans women give it up too easily, often in the name of sexual validation. Even still, I never really marketed myself as a 'top.' I was just sort of ambiguous on the subject.

I would also point out that women try to use us 'as men' too, so the 'little head' excuse doesn't apply here. It's about a fetishistic viewpoint of role-reversal, not one of sexual arousal.


In order of "gay". Not that there is anything wrong with it.

1. MMF

2. TS, male receives anal

3. Strapon

4. TS, all other except

5. Giving your partner head when she wants it. Regardless what she's working with.

LMAO! Thanks for the clarification! :lol:

~BB~

[RallyCola]

poor bella. everyone wants to use her. she is such a victim.

funny how other girls here don't really come to your defense and support your claims about how abused they are. its you against the world isn't it?

[BellaBellucci]

poor bella. everyone wants to use her. she is such a victim.

funny how other girls here don't really come to your defense and support your claims about how abused they are. its you against the world isn't it?

I've never claimed to be popular within 'teh tranny pr0n community.'

Outside of that, this topic is played-the-fuck-out anyway. :lol:

~BB~

[RallyCola]

I've never claimed to be popular within 'teh tranny pr0n community.'

Outside of that, this topic is played-the-fuck-out anyway. :lol:

~BB~


you are no fun. we could have gotten another 5-6 pages out of this thread at least.

[robertlouis]

I'm attracted to a woman as a woman and a person, whether she's gg or tg, not what's in her pants. If the attraction is based purely on genitalia, then chaser is about right, whether its pussy or cock you're after.

Without an emotional connection of personalities, it's a waste of time for me, which is why I rarely go to an escort.

....which makes me less of a chaser and more a sad old romantic. Oh well.

[Westheangelino]

I'm a chaser and proud of it! Everyone needs to stop taking themselves and this (whatever the fuck this is) so seriously and have some goddamn fun!

[BellaBellucci]

you are no fun. we could have gotten another 5-6 pages out of this thread at least.

LOL! How about I take a rain check? :whistle:


I'm attracted to a woman as a woman and a person, whether she's gg or tg, not what's in her pants. If the attraction is based purely on genitalia, then chaser is about right, whether its pussy or cock you're after.

Without an emotional connection of personalities, it's a waste of time for me, which is why I rarely go to an escort.

....which makes me less of a chaser and more a sad old romantic. Oh well.

Look me up if you ever get out here. I'll take good care of you, babydoll. :fuckin:

~BB~

[robertlouis]

Look me up if you ever get out here. I'll take good care of you, babydoll. :fuckin:

~BB~

I wasn't fishing, but that's a very kind offer, BB. If me and my guitar ever get to the west coast I'll be calling. :)

[tsdvdman]

Look me up if you ever get out here. I'll take good care of you, babydoll. :fuckin:

~BB~[/QUOTE]
Lol..Your patheticness, self hate and extreme need for any kind of attention comes through so obviously. One would think you could see right through that last post...where guys/"CHASERS" tell women (TS and GG's) exactly what they want to hear. And the desperate, low self-esteen, miserable life girl falls for it every time.
BB..your "percieved" intellectual banter is false and empty. You are the run of the mill joke..:Bowdown:

[robertlouis]

Lol..Your patheticness, self hate and extreme need for any kind of attention comes through so obviously. One would think you could see right through that last post...where guys/"CHASERS" tell women (TS and GG's) exactly what they want to hear. And the desperate, low self-esteen, miserable life girl falls for it every time.
BB..your "percieved" intellectual banter is false and empty. You are the run of the mill joke..:Bowdown:

If you can't tell the difference between sincerity and "chasing", you're a sad excuse for a human being. That's exactly how I live my life. Fuck off.

[tsdvdman]

If you can't tell the difference between sincerity and "chasing", you're a sad excuse for a human being. That's exactly how I live my life. Fuck off.
Dude..least ye fool yourself. You ARE the chaser she despises..lol

[robertlouis]

Dude..least ye fool yourself. You ARE the chaser she despises..lol

No point arguing with a closed mind. Bye.

[BellaBellucci]

Tsdvdman has never liked me. Boo hoo.

Trolling trolls gonna troll! :lol:

~BB~

[robertlouis]

Tsdvdman has never liked me. Boo hoo.

Trolling trolls gonna troll! :lol:

~BB~

And I'm sure if you and I met we'd spend most of our time in serious intellectual discussion, Bella.

Maybe. :wink:

[rockabilly]

Soo .... How bout that new episode of the Walking Dead?

I'd bore Bella with my geeky fandom for Walking Dead and Doctor Who and never think about penis.

[fivekatz]

I would also point out that women try to use us 'as men' too, so the 'little head' excuse doesn't apply here. It's about a fetishistic viewpoint of role-reversal, not one of sexual arousal.

~BB~

Role reversal is the sexual arousal I suppose. Fetish is very sexual, it is IMHO sex at least initially without love but lust at it's highest form.

Whatever none of the people out there are bad folks, though lots of the OPs here that reduce people to "objects" can be uncomfortable.

Personally TG's do fascinate the hell out of me. At first blush because it is fetish I suppose. But I have enjoyed getting to know girls as a repeat and have at least become warm acquaintances, and I say that because as Bill Russell once pointed out true friendship is a big threshold to meet, so while some may say we became friends, I'd say we became warm acquaintances.

I have met girls that like to bottom, some who love to top and some who enjoy mutual oral. I guess the one thing I can say about being with a TS versus a GG it is a heck of a lot harder for a TS to fake an orgasm and nothing makes a sexual encounter for me more satisfying than knowing my partner came too. So I suppose you'd call me a chaser because if I were to have sex with you I'd want to make you cum, meaning I'd pay attention to your cock, just like I would stroke a GG's clit until she came. Your cock is how you release your sexual pleasure, so I hope you learn to like since you say you don't.

But I can't begin to argue with you that TS is a fetish, but after the fetish is satisfied there may or may not be the potential for more. But a fetish it surely is, after all they ain't selling Old Spice with TGs yet?

[Chaos]

Lol..Your patheticness, self hate and extreme need for any kind of attention comes through so obviously. One would think you could see right through that last post...where guys/"CHASERS" tell women (TS and GG's) exactly what they want to hear. And the desperate, low self-esteen, miserable life girl falls for it every time.
BB..your "percieved" intellectual banter is false and empty. You are the run of the mill joke..:Bowdown:

Wow....
I guess the fact that I'd actually like to have a conversation with Bella someday means I just want her to fuck me, right?,NOT that I'd actually welcome some intellectual conversation and the company of the one that can provide it?

Most people know when they're being patronized and when it's honest....

[robertlouis]

Wow....
I guess the fact that I'd actually like to have a conversation with Bella someday means I just want her to fuck me, right?,NOT that I'd actually welcome some intellectual conversation and the company of the one that can provide it?

Most people know when they're being patronized and when it's honest....

Thanks for that, Chaos. Too many folks around here tend to judge others by their own standards.

[tsdvdman]

The internet is a helluva canvas. You can paint a portrait persona of yourself as being an exquisite gentleman with the swag and appeal to the finest of ladies..when in actuality..you loathe and lather the ass of the girls who display and express the worst sense of self-hatred.
Most gentleman would find that behavioral disposition simply unattractive....However..the real CHASERS....salivate..lol

[Chaos]

Thanks for that, Chaos. Too many folks around here tend to judge others by their own standards.

I try not to judge people....It doesn't define them....only me.

And if being honest and open is merely telling people what they want to hear then why are so many people afraid of it?

[Chaos]

The internet is a helluva canvas. You can paint a portrait persona of yourself as being an exquisite gentleman with the swag and appeal to the finest of ladies..when in actuality..you loathe and lather the ass of the girls who display and express the worst sense of self-hatred.
Most gentleman would find that behavioral disposition simply unattractive....However..the real CHASERS....salivate..lol

The problem with your "canvas" is the fact that with a little common sense and a bit of conversation you find out the truth...

By your statement a Gentleman would avoid people who take issue with themselves....That is not a gentleman...That's a self righteous prick.

[RallyCola]

I try not to judge people....It doesn't define them....only me.


The problem with your "canvas" is the fact that with a little common sense and a bit of conversation you find out the truth...

By your statement a Gentleman would avoid people who take issue with themselves....That is not a gentleman...That's a self righteous prick.


sounds very judgmental to me

[Chaos]

I said nothing about tsdvdman. I merely have a different view of what a real Gentleman would do....

The problem with painting yourself as anything anywhere is that someone will come along and uncover something that doesn't fit the painting if it is deceitful...That isn't judgmental,it's just the truth.

A real Gentleman doesn't avoid someone because they dislike something about themselves.....Everyone has things they dislike about themselves....even the Gentleman.
I mean come on....A Gentleman doesn't JUST hold the door open for a Lady...He holds it open for whoever needs the door to be open...

[RallyCola]

nah...a real gentleman would never oppress someone as to say they need a door held open for them and would want to empower them to open their own door...to have that satisfaction and sense of accomplishment. real gentlemen are good people like that

[Chaos]

Really? I was raised where a Gentleman holds the door out of politeness and for anyone that may not be able to do it themselves at the moment...
Curse these ulterior motives I obviously must have subconsciously!

[fivekatz]

Really? I was raised where a Gentleman holds the door out of politeness and for anyone that may not be able to do it themselves at the moment...
Curse these ulterior motives I obviously must have subconsciously!Good for you. A gentleman is no more than a person who demonstrates care for others whether it is holding a door for a lady or asking an older person who is struggling with lifting something if he can help. A gentleman can be a man or can be a woman. A gentleman is someone who respects others and cares for his fellow human beings, keeps a confidence and never takes undue advantage just because he/she can.

The title "gentleman" may care some chauvinistic tones to it because it ends with "man" but to me it is simply what in yiddish we call a "mench".

[Chaos]

Yeah....The expression "Nice guys finish last" is perfect.
A real Gentleman isn't doing the things he does for recognition or a place in the race....He does it because it's right and polite.
I've been told too many times that I'm too nice to people and that's why I get used and hurt so much...
But honestly? If that is why then I'll keep on getting hurt. I'd rather be true to myself and endure than lie,gain something,lose it,and be seen as something I'm not.
I may wear my heart on my sleeve but at least it's MY heart...

[fivekatz]

Yeah....The expression "Nice guys finish last" is perfect.
A real Gentleman isn't doing the things he does for recognition or a place in the race....He does it because it's right and polite.
I've been told too many times that I'm too nice to people and that's why I get used and hurt so much...
But honestly? If that is why then I'll keep on getting hurt. I'd rather be true to myself and endure than lie,gain something,lose it,and be seen as something I'm not.
I may wear my heart on my sleeve but at least it's MY heart...Good for you!:Bowdown:

[Chaos]

My biggest issue with this WHOLE thread is that people attack someone over the way she sees a situation.
I'm sorry...she isn't viewing the world from YOUR eyes...but HERS.
Of course she has her own opinion,we aren't all made from the same mold.
I mean I don't get attacked for wanting to be seen as something other than a wallet....except by people after my wallet.

[amberskyi]

poor bella. everyone wants to use her. she is such a victim.

funny how other girls here don't really come to your defense and support your claims about how abused they are. its you against the world isn't it?

I would but I'm starting to learn that many of the guys on this forum aren't interested in the realities of trans woman.if it doesn't fit into their fantasy they get really upset and i for one get tired having the same redundant debates.

[RallyCola]

I would but I'm starting to learn that many of the guys on this forum aren't interested in the realities of trans woman.if it doesn't fit into their fantasy they get really upset and i for one get tired having the same redundant debates.

methinks you are over thinking things about 1) what this place really is and 2) lumping men into a singular category.

also, if you took away the redundant debates, half the threads go away and we are left with Femboy and Amateur Sissy threads and posts about the next party/tranny strip event. in that, the forum is revealed for what it really is.

[amberskyi]

methinks you are over thinking things about 1) what this place really is and 2) lumping men into a singular category.

also, if you took away the redundant debates, half the threads go away and we are left with Femboy and Amateur Sissy threads and posts about the next party/tranny strip event. in that, the forum is revealed for what it really is.

That is exactly my point.i no longer take this shit seriously.i come here, post my pretty pictures, network and pick up clients

[RallyCola]

That is exactly my point.i no longer take this shit seriously.i come here, post my pretty pictures, network and pick up clients


woo hoo...then we have an accord.

seriously...if there weren't people to debate the same shit over and over with, i wouldn't be here...a few threads aside...there is too much crossdresser/ amateur stuff dominating the picture threads here.

[robertlouis]

I would but I'm starting to learn that many of the guys on this forum aren't interested in the realities of trans woman.if it doesn't fit into their fantasy they get really upset and i for one get tired having the same redundant debates.

Me too Amber. It's simply a fact that there are a lot of self-centred immature guys on here whose responses almost make Bella's original point by default.

[fivekatz]

Me too Amber. It's simply a fact that there are a lot of self-centred immature guys on here whose responses almost make Bella's original point by default.True enough but to Amber I would say while the conversations may be redundant that if any given thread opens the eyes of even a small percentage of the posters, then they are worthy conversations.

[robertlouis]

True enough but to Amber I would say while the conversations may be redundant that if any given thread opens the eyes of even a small percentage of the posters, then they are worthy conversations.

I agree with that too. It's good when people think before they type.

[nysprod]

I would but I'm starting to learn that many of the guys on this forum aren't interested in the realities of trans woman.if it doesn't fit into their fantasy they get really upset and i for one get tired having the same redundant debates.

My dear Amber, you and all the other girls share the same place as do rock stars, athletic stars, movie stars etc...you're entertainers, creating an image for the public to fall in love with...it's what you "sell," so to speak...we want to think of you girls as glam, fab, happy and always sexy. A star's job is to entertain...it's what they do, however they do it.

Is that reality? Of course not...but we don't want reality, we have enough of that already...

[Dino Velvet]

I'm an Asterisk Chaser.:salad

*:jerkoff

[natina]

RuPaul (http://www.youtube.com/artist/rupaul?feature=watch_video_title)- Tranny Chaser
RuPaul- Tranny Chaser - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQOu2d0L1qE)

RuPaul Tranny Chaser 2009

RuPaul Tranny Chaser 2009 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-CWb8JTLr0)

TS/TG/TV/CD calling guys chasers cause

Ru Paul - Jealous Of My Boogie - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmpWvkO4TUI&playnext=1&list=PL60E26134D651131D&feature=results_main)

[BellaBellucci]

RuPaul is NOT a 'tranny.' And frankly, I'm sick of his tired mug telling the mainstream what to think about those of us who actually are trans and aren't in it for the money. :lol:

~BB~

[BigDF]

I am entertained. Thumbs up

The chaser debate continues and Bella is a master.Amen, brother!:iagree:

[Straight Tricker]

Dear Bella,

If this was 3 years ago, I would have 100% agreed with you but with time I got to understand the chasers.

I'm a Trans with sort of same mentality like you except that now I've learnt to accept the chasers more.

In the past when I was pre-op nothing would disgust me more than a chaser meddling with my cock, the worse when they'd tell me top them when I am completely passive and 100% a girl in my head. I use to hate them.

But as time passed by I've realized when I was still a pre-op most of my clients would be only chasers and not the real straight guys. It's thanks to them that us girls like us survive, eat and have a roof where majority of us can't get a normal job.

We can't judge them if they are born like that, if we don't like to be judged by transphobic for what we are, why should we judge the chasers for what they are. This is funny how straight guys hate gay/transsexuals but love genetic women, how the transsexuals hate chasers but prefer straight guys and how most tranny chasers hate cross dressers but love pre-op/non-op Transsexuals.

By then end of your journey when you have your pussy dear, you will realize it's the chasers who helped you reach your goal with their money.

Furthermore I've met chasers who initially was searching for my cock ended up to be very good friend where no more sex was involved but pure friendship, who helped me with HUGE money to complete my surgery.

[Westheangelino]

Dear Bella,

If this was 3 years ago, I would have 100% agreed with you but with time I got to understand the chasers.

I'm a Trans with sort of same mentality like you except that now I've learnt to accept the chasers more.

In the past when I was pre-op nothing would disgust me more than a chaser meddling with my cock, the worse when they'd tell me top them when I am completely passive and 100% a girl in my head. I use to hate them.

But as time passed by I've realized when I was still a pre-op most of my clients would be only chasers and not the real straight guys. It's thanks to them that us girls like us survive, eat and have a roof where majority of us can't get a normal job.

We can't judge them if they are born like that, if we don't like to be judged by transphobic for what we are, why should we judge the chasers for what they are. This is funny how straight guys hate gay/transsexuals but love genetic women, how the transsexuals hate chasers but prefer straight guys and how most tranny chasers hate cross dressers but love pre-op/non-op Transsexuals.

By then end of your journey when you have your pussy dear, you will realize it's the chasers who helped you reach your goal with their money.

Furthermore I've met chasers who initially was searching for my cock ended up to be very good friend where no more sex was involved but pure friendship, who helped me with HUGE money to complete my surgery.

You are AWESOME!!!

[jamiethewild]

You are AWESOME!!!

You're AWESOME ? really .... I agree with her also .... however, you're the last person who needs to speak here because i have never heard you say that you like to pay or i have never heard you express the way a straight man would. I don't hear you say often she's beautiful, i love her curves, boobs or body, all i hear from you is "how these chasers can't take a cock, how you love to get fucked by a cock, and how you post your ads in craigslist. So STFU

[bluesoul]

You're AWESOME ? really .... I agree with her also .... however, you're the last person who needs to speak here because i have never heard you say that you like to pay or i have never heard you express the way a straight man would. I don't hear you say often she's beautiful, i love her curves, boobs or body, all i hear from you is "how these chasers can't take a cock, how you love to get fucked by a cock, and how you post your ads in craigslist. So STFU

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu70xtjHWT1qksev3.gif

[jamiethewild]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu70xtjHWT1qksev3.gif

!!!!

[RallyCola]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=554979&stc=1&d=1360800737

jamie...you really let yourself go

[jamiethewild]

jamie...you really let yourself go

LMAO .... so hard...:dead:

[BellaBellucci]

But as time passed by I've realized when I was still a pre-op most of my clients would be only chasers and not the real straight guys. It's thanks to them that us girls like us survive, eat and have a roof where majority of us can't get a normal job.

Stockholm syndrome, much? :?

~BB~

[wiltthestilt]

OK--so most on this forum are chasers, BFD. What is the the purpose of threads like these? It would be like on a straight porn forum one of the girls starting a thread calling the community a bunch of perverts. Are we supposed to be ashamed? Neither assertion is proveable and is made solely to denigrate that community. Some of us, myself included, are interested in TS's primarily for sexual reasons. I prefer gg's in real life; but am also attracted to TS's (pre-op). The only way you would meet me is if I'm calling you--and I wont bullshit you about my intentions. And if you are not an escort I wouldnt bother you at all. Sorry that some men only want to fuck you for an aspect of yourself you dont like; whereas other men won't consider you solely because of that same aspect (seriously). But you are venting your frustrations, for the most part, on the wrong people.

[fivekatz]

Stockholm syndrome, much? :?

~BB~
BB, This may be a dumb question but do you like any of your clients and if so why?

I am not trying to be a smart ass here but you were the one that brought up Capitalism 101.

I would think that repeat clients being a good thing that you would garner some. Are your repeaters dumb schmucks that don't realize that they are chasers or what is about them that makes you and them compatible so that they become regulars?

Again, I am not trying to be an a-hole about this but as much as Straight Trickers OP is was anger filled I thought that the response here made some sense, at minimum from a Capitalism 101 point view, she seemed to be making a decent point that chasers are a good revenue base?

[Westheangelino]

You're AWESOME ? really .... I agree with her also .... however, you're the last person who needs to speak here because i have never heard you say that you like to pay or i have never heard you express the way a straight man would. I don't hear you say often she's beautiful, i love her curves, boobs or body, all i hear from you is "how these chasers can't take a cock, how you love to get fucked by a cock, and how you post your ads in craigslist. So STFU


What I found awesome was the honesty and the ability to not judge other human beings for their proclivities. Also, her ability to grasp reality (something seemingly so hard for members of this world and the real world) is quite refreshing.

[Straight Tricker]

Stockholm syndrome, much? :?

~BB~

It's not pity/sympathy for them. It's GRATITUDE!

It doesn't mean that my sexual orientation changes and I cannot start loving to fuck with chasers, but at least I must stop hating on them.

What happened to me analogically is something like an extreme racist person who hated blacks so much and was dying drowning and got saved by a black person and suddenly all perceptions change.

Without help of a tranny-chaser, I'd never get my cunt today...

[wiltthestilt]

Stockholm syndrome, much? :?

~BB~

Because men who paid her for what she freely chose to offer are analogous to captors? FWIW--I dont think any escort owes gratitude to her clients (or vice versa). But there is no sense in bitterness toward the other party.

[BellaBellucci]

BB, This may be a dumb question but do you like any of your clients and if so why?

I am not trying to be a smart ass here but you were the one that brought up Capitalism 101.

I would think that repeat clients being a good thing that you would garner some. Are your repeaters dumb schmucks that don't realize that they are chasers or what is about them that makes you and them compatible so that they become regulars?

Again, I am not trying to be an a-hole about this but as much as Straight Trickers OP is was anger filled I thought that the response here made some sense, at minimum from a Capitalism 101 point view, she seemed to be making a decent point that chasers are a good revenue base?

I love my clients and enjoy my time with them. That's why they're my clients. I'm extremely picky about whom I'll see, turning away a large majority of the guys who call me. If I can't give them a sincerely enjoyable experience, I don't want to waste their time or money.

~BB~

[Genetic]

RuPaul is NOT a 'tranny.' And frankly, I'm sick of his tired mug telling the mainstream what to think about those of us who actually are trans and aren't in it for the money. :lol:

~BB~

So you escort and do cam shows for free then? ;)

Every single ts who escorts, does phone sex, cam shows, porn or anything else of that nature is using the "chasers" to fund their transition and so are ALL in it for the money.

I'm not referring to Bella here, but the term chaser is used in a derogatory fashion and I've outright seen a number of ts refer to their fans as "fags", or be generally abusive to customers or potential customers on this forum and others.

Well that's fine, but those who use those terms need to remember that the terms "escort", "model" and "she" are all terms that are used out of courtesy and respect by men who appreciate transwomen. If transwomen don't want to show respect to those men who are paying their bills then why should they receive it?

[BellaBellucci]

It's not pity/sympathy for them. It's GRATITUDE!

It doesn't mean that my sexual orientation changes and I cannot start loving to fuck with chasers, but at least I must stop hating on them.

What happened to me analogically is something like an extreme racist person who hated blacks so much and was dying drowning and got saved by a black person and suddenly all perceptions change.

Without help of a tranny-chaser, I'd never get my cunt today...

So you're apologizing for their otherwise offensive behavior because they have something you want: money. Seems like you feel beholden to them - which is a circumstance closely resembling captivity. It's not an exact analogy, but it's awfully close.

As has been said, we're talking about a business transaction here, even if it's a highly enjoyable one. While you may appreciate their patronage, your clients aren't doing you any favors or vice-versa; you're both in it for mutual benefit. That doesn't excuse poor behavior on their part. They've purchased some time with you. They don't own you and they should never treat you with disrespect.


So you escort and do cam shows for free then? ;)

Every single ts who escorts, does phone sex, cam shows, porn or anything else of that nature is using the "chasers" to fund their transition and so are ALL in it for the money.

Leveling the economic playing field is not being 'in it for the money.' The difference is that many of us would probably still have transitioned even without this ability. The others only did so for cash.

~BB~

[wiltthestilt]

So you're apologizing for their otherwise offensive behavior because they have something you want: money. Seems like you feel beholden to them - which is a circumstance closely resembling captivity. It's not an exact analogy, but it's awfully close.

As has been said, we're talking about a business transaction here, even if it's a highly enjoyable one. While you may appreciate their patronage, your clients aren't doing you any favors or vice-versa; you're both in it for mutual benefit. That doesn't excuse poor behavior on their part. They've purchased some time with you. They don't own you and they should never treat you with disrespect.



Leveling the economic playing field is not being 'in it for the money.' The difference is that many of us would probably still have transitioned even without this ability. The others only did so for cash.

~BB~

Offensive or poor behavior? And if the experience is highly enjoyable than by definition it is not offensive. Ive run a business and its completely normal to express gratitude, if not to your customers, than for your customers. Im grateful for having a job in a bad economy. Grateful to whom? Its an ordinary human emotion, even if not logical.

[Genetic]

Leveling the economic playing field is not being 'in it for the money.' The difference is that many of us would probably still have transitioned even without this ability. The others only did so for cash.

~BB~

I'm not doubting that the transitioning would have happened anyway, but let's be honest here - no one sells themselves for sex as a first choice, even if they are incredibly choosy. It pays incredibly well (as does camming) and there's no way to get the same top surgeons if you're having to bankroll it with a regular job. Also, the number of performers who retire after having their reassignment surgery indicates that they were in it for the money cause if they weren't then surely they'd carry on working?

There are exceptions to rules of course but I can't see many people choosing to transition just purely for cash. The desire to transition has to be there at some level cause I honestly don't think there is enough money to make me want to switch gender.

[BellaBellucci]

Offensive or poor behavior? And if the experience is highly enjoyable than by definition it is not offensive. Ive run a business and its completely normal to express gratitude, if not to your customers, than for your customers. Im grateful for having a job in a bad economy. Grateful to whom? Its an ordinary human emotion, even if not logical.

If that's the case, then gratitude should be expressed in both directions. I think it's funny that so many of the men here are marching to this new 'transsexuals are lucky to have us' beat. How about a bit more appreciation our way? How about a little more respect for our struggles? We might enjoy pleasing men, but that's not the end-all of our existence, nor should it be. We all appreciate our clients, as well as our friends in this community, but we do not owe them anything more than that which we receive.


I'm not doubting that the transitioning would have happened anyway, but let's be honest here - no one sells themselves for sex as a first choice, even if they are incredibly choosy. It pays incredibly well (as does camming) and there's no way to get the same top surgeons if you're having to bankroll it with a regular job. Also, the number of performers who retire after having their reassignment surgery indicates that they were in it for the money cause if they weren't then surely they'd carry on working?

Being choosy reduces one's income potential, even if it increases their satisfaction. And in my case, I actually do enjoy the work, but it's still work. That's the way it is. Furthermore, most post-ops leave the business because the market for them is so small.


There are exceptions to rules of course but I can't see many people choosing to transition just purely for cash. The desire to transition has to be there at some level cause I honestly don't think there is enough money to make me want to switch gender.

You'd be surprised how many 'girls' do. You're also forgetting those who detransition, those who claim to be TS but are really TV/CD, and other similar anomalies.

On a side note, I love how guys here always have to tell us what it's like to be trans. :lol:

~BB~

[fivekatz]

I love my clients and enjoy my time with them. That's why they're my clients. I'm extremely picky about whom I'll see, turning away a large majority of the guys who call me. If I can't give them a sincerely enjoyable experience, I don't want to waste their time or money.

~BB~Good for you, I am still not sure what is you select about those gentleman which was what I was trying to understand but if that is none of my business I certainly understand.

What I was curious about is what makes a client a good partner for you, in other words what is the chaser test versus a decent guy with an interest in a pre-op woman?

[BellaBellucci]

Good for you, I am still not sure what is you select about those gentleman which was what I was trying to understand but if that is none of my business I certainly understand.

What I was curious about is what makes a client a good partner for you, in other words what is the chaser test versus a decent guy with an interest in a pre-op woman?

Oh, c'mon. You know better. I can't just tell you what I want to hear so that men can regurgitate it back to me, now can I? :lol:

~BB~

[wiltthestilt]

If that's the case, then gratitude should be expressed in both directions. I think it's funny that so many of the men here are marching to this new 'transsexuals are lucky to have us' beat. How about a bit more appreciation our way? How about a little more respect for our struggles? We might enjoy pleasing men, but that's not the end-all of our existence, nor should it be. We all appreciate our clients, as well as our friends in this community, but we do not owe them anything more than that which we receive.

~BB~

Sometimes gratitude is expressed in both directions; and sometimes it is not. People often feel gratitude toward someone useful to them even if that other party takes them for granted. Investors are grateful to a CEO who is making money whereas the CEO may view most investors as almost worthless individually. And reciprocally investers express no gratitude to the CEO who is losing money no matter how hard he works.

Anyway, I interpreted her statement as meaning that she is grateful that tranny chasers--men attracted to pre-op TS's--exist in sufficient numbers that she found enough clients to fund her surgery. And she even made some friends out of the arrangement. I didnt see in her post that she feels she personally owes them anything--and I agree she does not.

I dont get the part about offensive or poor behavior though.u

[fivekatz]

Oh, c'mon. You know better. I can't just tell you what I want to hear so that men can regurgitate it back to me, now can I? :lol:

~BB~You have a point! I really didn't think of that BTW, so call me naive.

[RallyCola]

Oh, c'mon. You know better. I can't just tell you what I want to hear so that men can regurgitate it back to me, now can I? :lol:

~BB~


this takes the cake....an escort who wants to be wooed!!! :yayo:

[BellaBellucci]

this takes the cake....an escort who wants to be wooed!!! :yayo:

That wasn't a comment about romance. It was about my screening process! :lol:

~BB~

[Genetic]

[QUOTE=BellaBellucci;1277047
On a side note, I love how guys here always have to tell us what it's like to be trans. :lol:[/QUOTE]

At no point have I told you what it's like to be trans, I've simply disputed some of your questionable claims.

"It's not about the money" is the claim every pornstar, escort and other type of sex worker will say. Did Sasha Grey used to lick toilets for fun when she wasn't in front of a camera? Somehow I doubt it. I also can't see Domino Presley's charge of $2000 an hour not being about cash ;) Nothing wrong with being in it for the money, gotta put food on the plate somehow.

No one of sane mind would transition for cash. I wouldn't and I doubt you'd remain as your assigned gender for all the money in the world. Yes people do detransition but it's not cause they transitioned initially for money, it's usually because they were making a mistake.

As for appreciating your clients, I can't speak for you but as I said earlier I've seen many ts call their clients/fans/chasers "fags" and general spew negativity about them. You want appreciation but you charge your "clients/fans" and then expect us to be grateful to you? Do you pay to see a movie and then feel grateful that Brad Pitt allowed you to see him and charge you $15 for the privilege? Probably not.

How would you feel if you had an opportunity to talk to Pitt afterwards and he was a complete prick to you? Would you need to be grateful then? Of course not.

Being a celebrity is all about public relations - you make your public feel like you adore them so they'll keep throwing money at you and your wares, it really is as simple as that.