Sarina Valentina and Bailey Jay Are not on HA because.....

[Nikka]

rhey are busy having a life? what do u think??

interesting poll

[Bribi]

Well, I think that's just a choice.
Maybe they don't know the board.
Or maybe they just don't want to spend time on boards.
It's all about what people like to do.
Some like to spend time on boards, some are not into it!

[castor_troyuk]

I know Sarina is perfectly aware of the board, she just chooses not to come here. Not sure about Bailey, tweet them and ask

[RallyCola]

bailey appears very image conscious and guarded when it comes to social media and forums. if she were here and cared, i'd bet she'd never advertise and only poke around to see what's what. also, there have been reports that bailey, though she needs her fans, actually might loathe them calling her fans fags as such.

sarina, on the other hand...maybe she thinks its a waste of time.

many girls are in the industry but don't post here...why single out these 2? moreover, this forum is owned by grooby and neither girl works with them anymore...they are SMC girls and perhaps they take their exclusivity deals rather seriously. To my knowledge, Bailey hasn't had new material on a grooby site for 2 years now and other than her debut sets with her old name, Sarina hasn't been with grooby in much longer.

[TSPornFan]

I think Bailey Jay is afraid of this board because she would receive more criticism. She did not deserve her AVN awards.

Bailey appears to be a con-artist. On her blog she asked her site's members to pay for her site's needs such as clothing and other shooting material. The members already paid for site access, and now you want to them pay for shooting material! She said her site doesn't make money. Yet, Seanchi said that her site sells very good.

Bailey Jay appears to be very sensitive. Her site's members complained about her site's content. In response she no longer allows members to comment on her content. She has the only SMC solo site that doesn't allow comments.



many girls are in the industry but don't post here...why single out these 2? moreover, this forum is owned by grooby and neither girl works with them anymore...they are SMC girls and perhaps they take their exclusivity deals rather seriously. To my knowledge, Bailey hasn't had new material on a grooby site for 2 years now and other than her debut sets with her old name, Sarina hasn't been with grooby in much longer.

Their deals are not exclusive. They can work with other companies. I think it is disappointing to see the top girls not work with Grooby because Grooby is a top face in the TS porn industry. We have far too many top girls stop working with them such as Yasmin Lee, Sarina Valentina, Kimber James(before post op), Bailey Jay, etc.

[RallyCola]

I think Bailey Jay is afraid of this board because she would receive more criticism. She did not deserve her AVN awards.

Bailey appears to be a con-artist. On her blog she asked her site's members to pay for her site's needs such as clothing and other shooting material. The members already paid for site access, and now you want to them pay for shooting material! She said her site doesn't make money. Yet, Seanchi said that her site sells very good.

Bailey Jay appears to be very sensitive. Her site's members complained about her site's content. In response she no longer allows members to comment on her content. She has the only SMC solo site that doesn't allow comments.



Their deals are not exclusive. They can work with other companies. I think it is disappointing to see the top girls not work with Grooby because Grooby is a top face in the TS porn industry. We have far too many top girls stop working with them such as Yasmin Lee, Sarina Valentina, Kimber James(before post op), Bailey Jay, etc.


do you just enjoy making shit up? we have heard about their "exclusivity deals" as it pertains to online porn. since signing with SMC, sarina has worked with evil angel and transromantic on dvd releases. since signing with SMC, bailey has only worked with evil angel for dvd releases as well. that is all. also, i personally know that when alexis was debating a move from philly and a name change, she felt she no longer wanted to work for grooby for certain reasons.

next, only SMC and bailey would really know if her site is profitable. Steven would know through the referral program about click thrus and his take, but he isn't going to be privee to all the details of their accounting dept. SMC offers 50% of rebills. that says nothing of the percentage a model gets of the "multipass" deal nor number of rebills bailey gets. moreover...as no one seems to think it's a problem for an escort to command a particular rate, how can you fault bailey for trying to squeeze every dollar out of a member she can.

finally, the persona bailey projects through her podcasts and such isn't that of a sensitive girl that really cares about her fans therefore i highly doubt that fear is any motivation for her to stay away from here. no criticism can take away the fact that a private group gave her an award whether you think she deserved it or not.

[GroobySteven]

next, only SMC and bailey would really know if her site is profitable. Steven would know through the referral program about click thrus and his take, but he isn't going to be privee to all the details of their accounting dept. SMC offers 50% of rebills. that says nothing of the percentage a model gets of the "multipass" deal nor number of rebills bailey gets.

Exactly this. We've managed to sell her site extremely well but we take 50% for the privilege. We also sell Sarina's & Kimber's well. Some of their other sites, not so much. I know the solo side of the market and it's hard for the girls to make much, which is why direct sales clearly are what they're aiming for (and why you see people like Krissy, Michelle Austin, Wendy Summers, Nikka, Tempest, etc on boards like this promoting). I don't know how SMC do their breakdown but I'd expect it would be something like this:

You can break down the remaining 50% ($12.50) into:
Around 10% for credit card billing = $11.25
The remainder would be split between company and model. I don't know what percentage they do but in any case, you've got to expect the models cut to be less that $10 on each sale. Photographers need paying, someone needs to pay the server fees, editors, etc. I think asking members to pay for the clothes for the shoots works two ways - a) a member gets to "please" his fantasy and see her dressed how he wants and b) the model is able to wear a set of clothes for one shoot which would otherwise be financially impossible.

[GroobySteven]

do you just enjoy making shit up? we have heard about their "exclusivity deals" as it pertains to online porn. since signing with SMC, sarina has worked with evil angel and transromantic on dvd releases. since signing with SMC, bailey has only worked with evil angel for dvd releases as well. that is all. also, i personally know that when alexis was debating a move from philly and a name change, she felt she no longer wanted to work for grooby for certain reasons.

He enjoys thinking he knows what goes on in the industry and makes incorrect assumptions. SMC has had exclusivity deals with some of their models, which in my opinion has impaired those models ability to make money and not helped further their careers (only helping SMC). While Kimber & Bailey, made what I feel was the right decision by limiting their exposures, they already had built up a fan base (both significantly from Grooby) and I think it was a smart decision for them. Yasmin made a decision to simply not do further solo work which is partly what we wanted her for. Sarina has suggested for years she'd work with us but we've just never got it together.
I think most models have recognized that such exclusivity to any company in the TS adult industry is a poor choice. You look at a model like Jessica Fox who has a huge presence, works with all decent companies (and constantly gets work) and doesn't even have her own site as a good example of someone doing it right. You'll start to see models that had been locked into exclusivity bailing out and working with other companies - and I just hope they'll pass on their experiences to new models coming into the industry.

[Allhail]

Kimber James(before post op)

Kimber had SRS? When did this happen?

[RallyCola]

Kimber had SRS? When did this happen?

there is no definitive answer on this as kimber herself has yet to announce it but it is widely thought it has occurred. see this thread http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=73239

[JerseyMike]

It is not like either one of the girls have disappeared off the face of the planet. It seems they rather have more control of who they interact with. You can't fault them for trying to lead less "drama".
As for Bailey Jay it is obvious that is she has other things are her plate from her radio show, screen plays, and horror show that the porn website is not on the forefront of her attention. This is something that seems to happen often with girls though where they do porn or escort for a while and then try to lead a different life after a while.

[youngblood61]

If they both are sensitive HA forum is not the place for them.:)

[RallyCola]

If they both are sensitive HA forum is not the place for them.:)

really? you mean we have insensitive pricks here? say it ain't so

[Wendy Summers]

really? you mean we have insensitive pricks here? say it ain't so

I dunno - this is the internet... TBH you guys are tame compared to the comic book forums I've hung out on over the years... fanboys are brutal -- you all are a cake walk.

[RallyCola]

I dunno - this is the internet... TBH you guys are tame compared to the comic book forums I've hung out on over the years... fanboys are brutal -- you all are a cake walk.

mr. fix-it was a walking queer.
thor is just a rip off of superman.
sailor moon would kick hello kitty's twat up and down everywhere.
i'd like to piss on stan lee's foot, but he'd probably like it.
the avengers sucked ass as a super hero team and a movie
oh yeah...fuck the golden age...the entire thing.

[robertlouis]

I dunno - this is the internet... TBH you guys are tame compared to the comic book forums I've hung out on over the years... fanboys are brutal -- you all are a cake walk.

So you only come here for light relief? :whistle:

[Bribi]

Just a question about the question: when you say "too busy having a life", is it in a bad way?
English is not my first language, and most of the times, when I hear "they're too busy having a life", it's pejorative, it's not like "they just have things to do and don't have time", it's more "they think they are better and have better things to do that this thing they think is stupid".

I answered "Other reason" because I thought you were being sarcastic in your question, but I have a doubt now :p

[RallyCola]

i believe "too busy having a life" is meant to knock HA members a bit in so far as these 2 girls are too busy to be bothered with the likes of the bullshit we banter about here. they are too caught up in their own issues, friends, goals an drama to even notice our little cyber community.