Would a TS escort give a virgin a discount?

[TSPornFan]

This is a hypothetical question. I'm not saying escorts should give virgins discounts.

Would a TS escort give a virgin a discount? If so would the client's age or situation be a factor? Would you give him special treatment?

[GroobySteven]

Are you a virgin?

[TSPornFan]

Are you a virgin?

Yes, I will not pay anyone for sex. I find that to be insulting for someone in my situation. Anyways I'm just asking a hypothetical question.

[GroobySteven]

Yes, I will not pay anyone for sex. I find that to be insulting for someone in my situation. Anyways I'm just asking a hypothetical question.

Ok.
What is your "situation" ?

[TSPornFan]

Ok.
What is your "situation" ?

Sorry, I don't want to do into details.

[GroobySteven]

Sorry, I don't want to do into details.

Fair enough.
Hypothetical though it may be - the fact you're a virgin and asking this question, is quite fun.

[Jamie French]

First timers get a lesson in paying full price. Makes a real man outta'ya.

[Willie Escalade]

No discounts...

[amberskyi]

I actually think i should get a tip for dealing with nervous jittery first timers.i always feel i had way to much coffee after i see a first timer

[Prospero]

If you WERE the girl next door amber, I'd have been a first timer, a second timer, an all timer. I have a feeling that, with you it would always be as wonderful as the first time.

[amberskyi]

If you WERE the girl next door amber, I'd have been a first timer, a second timer, an all timer. I have a feeling that, with you it would always be as wonderful as the first time.

I actually think sex gets better over time once you become truly comfortable with your partner and learn each others desires/passions.
Chemistry has to be freaking amazing for sex to be great the first time and that's only happen to me a handful of times.

[Prospero]

I agree with that Amber. It can be exciting the first time with a new partner because of the anticipation, the excitement, the new revelations etc... though not necessarily exciting the very first time ever for someone. My first time with a GG was actually sensational. I was that jittery young man you describe the first time i made out with a TS. I don't think she had a very good time to be honest.

[suttonporksword]

how would you know that she isnt a virgin as well therefore perfectly counter acting your argument!

[Prospero]

Are you talking to me? Are YOU talking to me? If you're not talking to me, who are you talking to?

[TSPornFan]

I actually think i should get a tip for dealing with nervous jittery first timers.i always feel i had way to much coffee after i see a first timer

So you have experienced virgin clients? How old were these men? What were their background stories?

[Dino Velvet]

Plenty of escorts say "no first timers" in their ads. Probably for not only physical/sexual reasons but psychological as well. Vulnerable situation for the girl if the fella is too confused and/or troubled.

[Prospero]

Good point Dino. Some, on the other hand, say they welcome first timers.

[littletwink]

Yes
I'm sure that came as a surprise to everyone here...

...said no one.

[Dino Velvet]

Good point Dino. Some, on the other hand, say they welcome first timers.

First-time bottoms must be called Messy Marvins.

[Jericho]

I think you should pay extra, because you don't know what you're doing! :shrug

[Dino Velvet]

I think you should pay extra, because you don't know what you're doing! :shrug

Don't know if you'll be able to do anything at all. Might have to turn around and face the wall of shame. Hang your head low enough to sink your teeth into the pillow, rookie.

[TSPornFan]

Plenty of escorts say "no first timers" in their ads. Probably for not only physical/sexual reasons but psychological as well. Vulnerable situation for the girl if the fella is too confused and/or troubled.

How would this be a vulnerable situation? I can understand if the customer has a mental problem. However, being a virgin doesn't mean a person has mental problems.


I think you should pay extra, because you don't know what you're doing! :shrug

It's not the customer's job to do anything. The customer is paying the girl. It's her job to please him.

[amberskyi]

So you have experienced virgin clients? How old were these men? What were their background stories?

Every age, every various background (religion, race, career path etc).the only commonality was that they were men lol

[amberskyi]

How would this be a vulnerable situation? I can understand if the customer has a mental problem. However, being a virgin doesn't mean a person has mental problems.



It's not the customer's job to do anything. The customer is paying the girl. It's her job to please him.

Actually some guys have so much self hated and shame about their sexuality that they sometimes lash out at the girl.this isn't however necessarily a first timer phenomenon tho.
Unlike the stereotype most ts girls aren't murdered by girls they've "tricked" or "fooled" but by men that know their status and have been sexual with multiple times.

[TSPornFan]

Every age, every various background (religion, race, career path etc).the only commonality was that they were men lol

Why were they virgins? Religion, bad looks, bad luck, etc?

[wiltthestilt]

Tia Phoenixx offers under 30 and senior discounts or she did anyway. I wish I would have booked her when I was 29.

Im surprised more girls dont offer repeat customer discounts, since I usually wont pay full price for a repeat. Maybe thats not major problem with most customers though

[Dino Velvet]

How would this be a vulnerable situation? I can understand if the customer has a mental problem. However, being a virgin doesn't mean a person has mental problems.

Possibly more confusion about himself and ideas of his own sexuality rather than outright mental problems. The girl could have a concern with intimacy at close quarters with someone like this.

[TSPornFan]

Possibly more confusion about himself and ideas of his own sexuality rather than outright mental problems. The girl could have a concern with intimacy at close quarters with someone like this.

You sound very bias towards virgins. Being a virgin doesn't mean someone is confused with one self and his or her sexuality.

[Dino Velvet]

You sound very bias towards virgins. Being a virgin doesn't mean someone is confused with one self and his or her sexuality.

I'm just cautious for the girls. Too many bad things have happened in my town.

[littletwink]

You sound very bias towards virgins. Being a virgin doesn't mean someone is confused with one self and his or her sexuality.
Of course it doesn't, but you asked for a reason why some - not all - TS escorts request experienced players only, and an honest answer was giving. Now you're trying to mold that answer to fit your own persecution complex.

There are some people who think they want something, but then freak out for some reason at the moment of truth. It's impossible to say what specific thing set them off and it's also impossible to know what other reactions there might be when it does happen.

These escorts are pretty much saying that they want their prospective clients to be honest with themselves and to know themselves before requesting an appointment.

[TSLillyBlue]

I have a few working girlfriends I will hang out with while we wait for the phone to ring. It is hilarious when a guy tells me its his first time with a TS because 9 out 10 times he's lying through his teeth. I love it when I'm still on the phone with the guy and my friend is showing me the text messages from the guy the day before.

"Really, it's your first time with a TS? You mean you didn't notice the 8 inch cock on the girl you were with yesterday?"

Having said that, no fucking way a guy who says it's his first time gets a discount because odds are he's more experienced with trans girls than I am.

[GroobySteven]

Franklin are you a virgin because you only like tgirls - or only like a very specific type of girl? Do you go on dates or anything?

Have you ever thought "If I'm still a virgin at XX age, I'm going to pay for it!" as I think most young guys did (or I did, anyway).

[Dino Velvet]

Have you ever thought "If I'm still a virgin at XX age, I'm going to pay for it!" as I think most young guys did (or I did, anyway).

Some of us, like me, are still better paying. I'd be the most selfish lover ever if I were to actually date a TS. Better for us both to avoid awkward or potentially disrespectful situations. I like being a John.

[jamiethewild]

Some of us, like me, are still better paying. I'd be the most selfish lover ever if I were to actually date a TS. Better for us both to avoid awkward or potentially disrespectful situations. I like being a John.

I like this much better... Its simple and both of us move on in life with no emotional grudge and emotional hurt.

[TSPornFan]

Possibly more confusion about himself and ideas of his own sexuality rather than outright mental problems. The girl could have a concern with intimacy at close quarters with someone like this.


Of course it doesn't, but you asked for a reason why some - not all - TS escorts request experienced players only, and an honest answer was giving. Now you're trying to mold that answer to fit your own persecution complex.

There are some people who think they want something, but then freak out for some reason at the moment of truth. It's impossible to say what specific thing set them off and it's also impossible to know what other reactions there might be when it does happen.

These escorts are pretty much saying that they want their prospective clients to be honest with themselves and to know themselves before requesting an appointment.

There are experienced people who are confused about themselves and their sexuality. It doesn't matter if a person is a virgin or not.


Franklin are you a virgin because you only like tgirls - or only like a very specific type of girl? Do you go on dates or anything?

Have you ever thought "If I'm still a virgin at XX age, I'm going to pay for it!" as I think most young guys did (or I did, anyway).

I like t-girls and gg. I only like specific type of t-girls or gg. I've never been on a date. I'm not open to dating people. Once I find a good job, I'll feel that women only want my money because they weren't around before finding a good job after college.

[jamiethewild]

NO special treatments for no one. Regardless if your a virgin or not, that's why men lie soo much if an escort gives discounts to certain circumstances. And offering discounts to a certain age is kinda been a bit discriminative towards the elder so i rather be fairly equally.
NO discount if your a virgin, why even ask the question ? There is nothing more also, that piss me off when someone asks for discounts. Like, how does that make you special to us? many of us could careless if you are a virgin or not, we want the money. Most virgins take more time in a session, so a good amount of money would be a good idea to bring. We were all virgins at some point, honey.

[Dino Velvet]

There are experienced people who are confused about themselves and their sexuality. It doesn't matter if a person is a virgin or not.

It's more likely the more you do something the less you will be confused about it. I'm sure the second girl who dealt with me had a smoother experience than the first.

[amberskyi]

Why were they virgins? Religion, bad looks, bad luck, etc?

I'm not really sure.they pay for an uncomplicated sexual experience not a interview and therapy session lol.
I don't really deal with first timers socially (did once and dude destroyed me),i prefer to date guys with experience.
I imagine that most of them were Virgins because it's kinda hard to interact with a ts.we are greatly outnumbered by genetic woman remember lol.

[TSLillyBlue]

I have offered discounts for repeat customers. The majority of the real work I do as an escort is done before the call even begins and repeats eliminate a ton of that work. Also being more comfortable with a person helps ME enjoy things more so I love repeats.

[tsadriana]

firstimers are always hard work in my opinion.

[NoahNomad]

IMO girls should only give discounts to consistent, no-hassle, repeat customers. I can imagine dealing with some of these guys is extremely annoying and time consuming. I don't think a girl should see a john for any sort of activity for less than $100 for a half hour of her time anyway. It's a business. The reason women can charge so much is because it's worth it...no hassle, private sex with the TS of your dreams, who's paid to make you feel good. Come on! I think it's ridiculous that guys try to haggle a discount.

[Dino Velvet]

firstimers are always hard work in my opinion.

Probably especially if they can't get hard. Sand escaping from the hour glass with not a drop of blood getting infused into the penis. I'm sure you know about wet spaghetti, Adriana.

[GroobySteven]

I've never been on a date. I'm not open to dating people. Once I find a good job, I'll feel that women only want my money because they weren't around before finding a good job after college.


You are NOT open to dating people but you feel that once you have a job you'll think women only want your money? How do you know they're not around now if you're not open to dating?
That's a very sad attitude, Franklin. Not every woman is out for your money and if you want to find a true partner then you need to at least be more open minded.

[Dino Velvet]

Franklin, go out and have some coffee with a gal or somethin'. Might enjoy yourself. What's the alternative?

[GroobySteven]

You're not in seminary are you?

Or prison?

Or on a male only military base?

[dgs925]

"Wow" is all I can really say. All this time, Franklin just goes on and on about porn like he's some connoisseur. While you read what he writes, you think in the back of your head, and I know I'm not the only one, "What is this guy's problem? He really needs to turn off the porn and go outside, maybe talk to a girl or two"

And here we come to learn that we were all correct. A loser virgin, who spends all his time on the internet criticizing others, who couldn't talk to a girl to save his life.

[amberskyi]

That's a bit harsh dude

[GroobySteven]

A loser virgin, who spends all his time on the internet criticizing others, who couldn't talk to a girl to save his life.

Come on, we don't know that. There might be some extenuating circumstances.

[bobjones17]

I was once given a "name your price" situation because I sounded young and nervous (wasn't my first time and I told her that once I got there). Was great though, she really responded to my nervousness and had a great time.

[natina]

there is a VIRGIN SCHOOL!

have they had HYMEN restoration surgery?

is the HYMEN INTACT?

are they a certified virgin or is this just what you are saying without proof.


http://documentarystorm.com/virgin-school/

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/virgin-school/

Virgin School - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrbJOJbU4Ck&feature=player_embedded)


Virgin School follows the emotional and physical journey of a 26 year old virgin as he embarks on a unique four month course for sexually inexperienced men in Amsterdam. The course is designed to boost his sexual confidence. If he makes enough progress the course could end with him losing his virginity to one of the sex therapist coaches.
According to a recent study (by Radio 1, MTV and Durex) the vast majority of people lose their virginity between the ages of 16 and 18. However, there is a small section of society who remain virgins well into middle age. Around 4% of people haven’t had sex by the time they hit 25.
James is one of them. He’s ‘never even got to first base. He says that “Being a virgin you get judged, you’re isolated, an outcast. For me losing my virginity is a rite of passage, it’s about becoming a man and feeling like everyone else, feeling that you’re not abnormal.”
James has given up all hope of ever having sex or having a meaningful relationship with a woman but that could all be about to change as he heads off to Virgin School.

[Silcc69]

I actually think sex gets better over time once you become truly comfortable with your partner and learn each others desires/passions.
Chemistry has to be freaking amazing for sex to be great the first time and that's only happen to me a handful of times.

I would love to test that theory with you :D

And man Franklin never disappoints with his postings.

[TSPornFan]

At this point in my life I feel that if a woman does show interest in me then its for her gain, and not actually wanting me. This is how I feel after being unwanted for so many years.

[TSPornFan]

"Wow" is all I can really say. All this time, Franklin just goes on and on about porn like he's some connoisseur. While you read what he writes, you think in the back of your head, and I know I'm not the only one, "What is this guy's problem? He really needs to turn off the porn and go outside, maybe talk to a girl or two"

And here we come to learn that we were all correct. A loser virgin, who spends all his time on the internet criticizing others, who couldn't talk to a girl to save his life.

I don't have a problem talking to women. They're not sexually and relationship wise interested in me.

[Silcc69]

I'm also not will not hook up or pay someone for sex. That's just me. At this point in my life I feel that if a woman does show interest in me then its for her gain, and not actually wanting me. This is how I feel after being unwanted for so many years.



Military town.

You just need somebody to put you up on game. :whistle:

[dgs925]

That's a bit harsh dude

Yeah, maybe, but he has it coming I'm sure. All the time on here talking like he know's anything at all, and here we learn he knows jack shit.

[dgs925]

I don't have a problem talking to women. They're not sexually and relationship wise interested in me.

Shit, sorry, didn't really read everything. So what kind of horrific disfiguring accident were you in? Or are you 300-lb and agoraphobic?

Can't do anything about it if you are horribly horribly ugly. If that isn't the problem, then you must be completely lacking in, to use the parlance of our times, "game".

Whatever floats your boat.

But you do spout opinions about every single thing to do with porn. And now that makes sense. A lot of sense.

[TSPornFan]

Yeah, maybe, but he has it coming I'm sure. All the time on here talking like he know's anything at all, and here we learn he knows jack shit.

You're very ignorant. What a person finds visually stimulating can be very different physically. I think TS women like Kimber James and Sarina Valentina are hot. However, I may not have a good physical experience with a TS woman.


Shit, sorry, didn't really read everything. So what kind of horrific disfiguring accident were you in? Or are you 300-lb and agoraphobic?

Can't do anything about it if you are horribly horribly ugly. If that isn't the problem, then you must be completely lacking in, to use the parlance of our times, "game".

Whatever floats your boat.

But you do spout opinions about every single thing to do with porn. And now that makes sense. A lot of sense.

Nope! None of these things are my problem. Having game does not guarantee that a guy will get a woman.

[dgs925]

Having game does not guarantee that a guy will get a woman.

I know you aren't going to listen here, because that's your thing. You're the guy who knows it all, and tries to tell everyone why they are wrong.

But today you let the cat out of the bag. You don't know shit, your opinions are worth nothing, and the above statement is all the proof that is needed.

[Silcc69]

Franklin you must be doing something wrong if you can't find a woman of your liking.

[TSPornFan]

Yeah, maybe, but he has it coming I'm sure. All the time on here talking like he know's anything at all, and here we learn he knows jack shit.


I know you aren't going to listen here, because that's your thing. You're the guy who knows it all, and tries to tell everyone why they are wrong.

But today you let the cat out of the bag. You don't know shit, your opinions are worth nothing, and the above statement is all the proof that is needed.

Being a virgin has nothing to do with what someone knows. Talking about porn and talking about real life experiences are two different things.


Franklin you must be doing something wrong if you can't find a woman of your liking.

I dislike this type of thinking. A guy can do all of the right things and still get reject. I didn't do anything wrong with the last woman I asked out. I hung out with her and got to know her. She did not see me as boyfriend material. I pretty much wasn't her type.

Plus I live in the South, I'm black, and I only like white women. That hurts my chances as well. Some white women in the South won't date a black guy because of their family standards.

[dgs925]

Franklin you must be doing something wrong if you can't find a woman of your liking.

That should be obvious. He likes porn better.

I am slightly making fun of Franklin, but like I said before, he has that coming. Really, it's surprising this doesn't happen more and more these days. I'm glad there wasn't an internet full of porn when I was growing up, our mammal brains are not meant to deal with this.

[TSPornFan]

That should be obvious. He likes porn better.

I am slightly making fun of Franklin, but like I said before, he has that coming. Really, it's surprising this doesn't happen more and more these days. I'm glad there wasn't an internet full of porn when I was growing up, our mammal brains are not meant to deal with this.

I've had this coming? How? I've never once said I had any experience with women. Secondly this isn't the first time I've mention being a virgin as I have mention it in the past.

I rarely attack anyone unless they start problems with me.

[RallyCola]

how old are you, franklin. in 2013, its hard to find a 10 year old that is still a virgin

[Dino Velvet]

Franklin, best wishes in all your future endeavors.

[TSPornFan]

Franklin, best wishes in all your future endeavors.

Did I just get fired? :hide-1:

[TSMichelleAustin]

You wanna know how many guys tell us they never been fucked then you look at their hole and it looks like its been used up... please, NO DISCOUNTS! No matter who you are! I used to give military a discount then I realized they make good money they can pay full price too! LOL

[Dino Velvet]

Did I just get fired? :hide-1:

Just messin' with 'ya. Trying to wish you luck in a phrase we both understand.

[TSMichelleAustin]

Actually some guys have so much self hated and shame about their sexuality that they sometimes lash out at the girl.this isn't however necessarily a first timer phenomenon tho.
Unlike the stereotype most ts girls aren't murdered by girls they've "tricked" or "fooled" but by men that know their status and have been sexual with multiple times.

I had an Armenian guy see me when I lived in Glendale,CA and he came over paid and had fun, but when it was over he freaked out on me! He went crazy, started crying and saying "WHY DID I DO THIS! Im gay, whole bunch of shit I am in." I was like omg, just get out of here!

[Special42]

I got a student discount the first time I saw an escort. 50 off. And I had to show her my college ID.

[RallyCola]

I got a student discount the first time I saw an escort. 50 off. And I had to show her my college ID.

my grad school id doesn't expire until 2014 so would that work? i mean, if i can save a buck, i will

[Special42]

I don't know if it will work. that was 10 years ago. why don't you try it.

[robertlouis]

Tia Phoenixx offers under 30 and senior discounts or she did anyway. I wish I would have booked her when I was 29.

Im surprised more girls dont offer repeat customer discounts, since I usually wont pay full price for a repeat. Maybe thats not major problem with most customers though

Don't forget to flash your bus pass the next time then. :dancing:

[RallyCola]

what about a discount for being a good driver. i know a lizard and a pig that will save me 15% in 15 min. if the girl is hot enough, i should cum faster than that

[fivekatz]

As a former first timer I totally get the general consensus here which is "virgins" are awkward and nervous and must be a bit of bundle for girls to deal with.

Once you find a "regular" as the customer why be cheap and ask for a discount? The situation gets more comfortable, the sex is better, you like the girl or you would not be repeating, so why would you short change her?

[BellaBellucci]

First timers pay more. :lol:

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

At this point in my life I feel that if a woman does show interest in me then its for her gain, and not actually wanting me. This is how I feel after being unwanted for so many years.


I don't mean this in a bad or obtuse way but I genuinely feel sorry for you, for having to think this way. I understand what you are saying about being a black guy and only into white girls, that's fine - you've narrowed your options - but how about all those girls out there who think if you show interest in them, then it's for your gain? You two are never going to meet.

I had a hard time dating, especially in the UK into well into my early 20's and didn't like to ask girls out in case of rejection and the humiliation that I thought would come with it. Like many others, I look back on that time and think, if only I'd known then what I know now. Seriously, go onto an online dating site like Friendfinder, Match.com or something. Put your details and exactly what you're looking for and look for some matches. Find some REAL people just to date and hang out with. Girls (whether T or GG) do want to meet guys for gain - but that gain is often companionship, fun, love and friendship.

[Prospero]

A nice and thoughtful post Seanchai.... and good advice to you Franklin.

[Silcc69]

Franklin, you only date white woman?

[philipsfrog]

I'm virgin but if I went to a escort I would feel awkward if I got a discount

[Prospero]

Some escorts offer a discount in as much as they charge longterm regulars the fee they first paid - even if the escort has since put up her rates.

[tsadriana]

Some escorts offer a discount in as much as they charge longterm regulars the fee they first paid - even if the escort has since put up her rates.
My low rates are only for the regulars Prospero and guess what im doing very well...im not keen in firstimers in any way x

[TSPornFan]

I don't mean this in a bad or obtuse way but I genuinely feel sorry for you, for having to think this way. I understand what you are saying about being a black guy and only into white girls, that's fine - you've narrowed your options - but how about all those girls out there who think if you show interest in them, then it's for your gain? You two are never going to meet.

I had a hard time dating, especially in the UK into well into my early 20's and didn't like to ask girls out in case of rejection and the humiliation that I thought would come with it. Like many others, I look back on that time and think, if only I'd known then what I know now. Seriously, go onto an online dating site like Friendfinder, Match.com or something. Put your details and exactly what you're looking for and look for some matches. Find some REAL people just to date and hang out with. Girls (whether T or GG) do want to meet guys for gain - but that gain is often companionship, fun, love and friendship.


A nice and thoughtful post Seanchai.... and good advice to you Franklin.

Thanks for the advice. I tried online dating years ago, but I didn't give it much of a chance. I only did it for a month or two without having any conversations with women. They weren't interested. I didn't give it enough time to see how it would workout for me.

I've never had a problem asking women out. My problem is that they're not interested me.

I've taken a lot of advice over the years. The typical advice doesn't work for me. I'm not a pushover or a kissass towards women. I'm going place in my life. I dress well everyday. I tell some people what works for some men is not going to work for other men. This doesn't work for me. It's something that I am learning to accept.


Franklin, you only date white woman?

Yes

[nysprod]

Thanks for the advice. I tried online dating years ago, but I didn't give it much of a chance. I only did it for a month or two without having any conversations with women. They weren't interested. I didn't give it enough time to see how it would workout for me.

I've never had a problem asking women out. My problem is that they're not interested me.

I've taken a lot of advice over the years. The typical advice doesn't work for me. I'm not a pushover or a kissass towards women. I'm going place in my life. I dress well everyday. I tell some people what works for some men is not going to work for other men. This doesn't work for me. It's something that I am learning to accept.

Perhaps I missed this from an earlier post, but why are you insisting on a discount? I mean, what's wrong with just finding a provider and paying what she asks for?

[TSPornFan]

Perhaps I missed this from an earlier post, but why are you insisting on a discount? I mean, what's wrong with just finding a provider and paying what she asks for?

This is just a hypothetical question. I'm not seeking an escort.

I was curious to see if any escorts would try to help a virgin to have a sexual experience. From what I see they look down upon virgin customers.

[RallyCola]

This is just a hypothetical question. I'm not seeking an escort.

I was curious to see if any escorts would try to help a virgin to have a sexual experience. From what I see they look down upon virgin customers.


there is no way to prove a man is a virgin so everyone would cry "i'm a virgin, can i have fries with that"

escorts charge for their time, service and effort. if you don't like her service after the deed is done, pay her rate, don't tip and post a review of your ill-content. asking for/anticipating a discount because of your failure to find non-professional sex, is kinda pathetic.

[zerokool]

What is the point of this thread, and why are people actually humoring this guy? He starts off by saying that it's a "hypothetical question". We then discover that it has no bearing on his life, because paying for sex would be "insulting for someone in my situation". That pretty much tells me that any response is meaningless given his mindset. Even if an escort does provide a discount, it's not like he'd be willing to take advantage of it.

I realize he's an active member that likes to start discussions, but we're not exactly covering new territory here. Anyone with a 2010 join date, and over 1000 posts should know how women in this industry feel about this subject. If not, there's a pretty straightforward solution, you could just call a few escorts to find out. I'm sure there's a few exceptions, but we all know the overwhelming consensus.

So, knowing all that, that shifts our focus to the person who started this thread, Franklin. He must be getting to the point where losing his virginity to an escort is starting to look appealing. Yet, acting on that desire, doesn't coincide with is beliefs. Due to this conflict, he doesn't want to be upfront about it, or isn't willing to admit it to himself. He can deny it all he wants, but starting a thread shows that he's thinking about it.

Based on his responses, and outlook on relationships, being a virgin is his choice! When you're incredibly selective, and close yourself off to the possibility of casual dating that doesn't leave you with many options, if any.

Also, I find it odd that he refuses to go into the details of his situation, but he's eager to know about other people.


Sorry, I don't want to do into details.


So you have experienced virgin clients? How old were these men? What were their background stories?

What's the harm if you're posting anonymously, and not uploading pictures? Just a little information about your life would allow people to better asses the factors that might be holding you back. The only way for people to help you is know where you're coming from. No one is asking for an ID or birth certificate.

Seanchai, Amberskyi, and others are trying to help him out, but it's a waste of time. The post about using online dating and companionship sites, is probably the best option. But, considering the amount of time Franklin spends on this forum, I'm sure he's well aware of it. So, that's another dead end.

I think after enough time passes by, the problem will solve itself. If Franklin refuses to open up to the possibility of dating and relationships, that's his problem. By restricting himself, and making certain choices, he's more or less choosing to remain a virgin. It's not like he's hurting anyone, but himself. And, who knows what the future may hold? Perhaps, as he gets older, he'll be willing to either lower his standards, or finally hire an escort.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but that's just how I see things. There's too many beautiful women on this planet to only limit yourself to one race. Good luck, Franklin!

[nysprod]

Yep to that!

[amberskyi]

Self defeatist attitudes are such a huge turn off

[Willie Escalade]

Zerocool, don't hack my computer ;)

[RallyCola]

i think crashoverride is a better name

[TSPornFan]

I realize he's an active member that likes to start discussions, but we're not exactly covering new territory here. Anyone with a 2010 join date, and over 1000 posts should know how women in this industry feel about this subject.

How would I know how women feel about this subject? I have not see anyone ask this question about escorts giving special treatment or discounts to virgins. I have read topics about giving discounts to regulars. Two totally different subjects.



What's the harm if you're posting anonymously, and not uploading pictures? Just a little information about your life would allow people to better asses the factors that might be holding you back. The only way for people to help you is know where you're coming from. No one is asking for an ID or birth certificate.

I will tell you in a PM.


Perhaps, as he gets older, he'll be willing to either lower his standards, or finally hire an escort.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but that's just how I see things. There's too many beautiful women on this planet to only limit yourself to one race. Good luck, Franklin!

I know that I'm limiting myself. That's my choice and I have to live with the consequences. I love white women and I only find them attractive.

I won't lower my standards. I would rather die a virgin then to ever be with someone I find unattractive.

[RallyCola]

i'd like to take this opportunity, after reading the collective of Franklin's posts in this thread as well as the "tips" thread to say that i've made a mistake engaging him ala zerocool's realization.

franklin clearly has his standards that he fails to live up to. that's the worst kind of person to be and he has my pity.

[SuzySnappz]

Great post from zerokool.

One thing that occurs to me though is that we're not really distinguishing between a "first timer" and a "virgin". First timer to me means someone's first time with a ts/tv, or possibly their first time with an escort, but not their first time having sex with another person, typically they've been with a GG before. "Virgin" to me is someone who's never had sex with another person, GG or otherwise. (Ok, it can also mean a virgin asshole if they're looking to get topped for the first time but that's different.)

Anyway, I've had a few first timer clients, and I have no problem with them as long as they actually show up. Actually had one just last weekend, he was a bit nervous but it was a very nice experience. (It helped that he had a nice body!) He said he'd been with GG's but not TV/TS before. No discount though, lol.

I don't think I've been with a true virgin as an escort, though, that I know of. I don't know, I'd tend to think a straight/bi virgin male would try a GG first?

[BigBlackMan]

Don't pay these whores

[Prospero]

Oh dear..... so much heat and dust.
I was reading a blog by an escort recently and she said that qite a large number of the guys who come to see her are first timers. She offers no discounts. And finds them a pain because many get a bit crazy after the event.

[RallyCola]

Don't pay these whores

as an escort friend of mine likes to say...the difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for free usually costs more.

the average 3 dates you have to take a girl on before fucking her would likely cost you $300 and 3 evenings of your time. If all you are after is a place to rest your penis, paying an escort $300 will save you lots of time and effort.

Escorts are like McDonalds where dating is like a restaurant where you have to wait and be served your food. Are you in a hurry or do you have time to cultivate and wait? In the end, you have the same result...your belly is full and your pocket is lighter. The question is whether or not either experience, an escort/mcdonalds vs. a real date/the olive garden :), was truly satisfying or not.

[Prospero]

Notice how often the Olive Garden gets plugged here. It's awful. You guys own shares?

[RallyCola]

Notice how often the Olive Garden gets plugged here. It's awful. You guys own shares?

come on man..didn't the ':)' demonstrate that it was inserted as a joke.

in fact, a couple of weeks ago, i was going over my investments and i think one mutual fund i own has a small share in Yum Brands, so I guess indirectly I do have a stake in the sale of tasty chicken, mediocre tacos and shitty pizza.

[Prospero]

LOL rally....

[ditadior]

i would never.
i only give discounts to regular customers if there is a issue that day or we make arrangements for the future for price problem.

never discount a virgin. since most times it's alot more work to help them make comfortable and give a 1st time.

[buttslinger]

I'm trying to get my friend's daughter to buy me a Photoshop CS6 Extended Student version for $235 instead of 800 bucks.

I wish I could pin these girls down on how much they actually make a year. I'm a supporter of the Arts, but I guarantee you I make less than your average Sex Worker.

I've been told on dating sites that virgins don't show up. I think I can understand that.

[Prospero]

This is the blog i referred to - edited....

"The majority of my clients are first timers and sometimes I just wanted to refuse them! But business is business ...... I had few in the past where they didn’t want to leave my apartment, making troubles, some smashing the walls and even shouting that they can’t believe they’ve done it! I just didn’t know what to do as I’m scared and I fear for my safety. So I calm them down usually by saying Its ok don’t worry just be glad you’ve done it and you realised its not for you so you wont be thinking of it for a long time now. Congratulations! you’ve got the t-shirt! ..."

[RallyCola]

I'm trying to get my friend's daughter to buy me a Photoshop CS6 Extended Student version for $235 instead of 800 bucks.

I wish I could pin these girls down on how much they actually make a year. I'm a supporter of the Arts, but I guarantee you I make less than your average Sex Worker.

I've been told on dating sites that virgins don't show up. I think I can understand that.


i don't see the correlation between Photoshop pricing, supporting the arts and escorting. Is your friend's daughter an escort?

also, i think some girls have talked a bit about income...and i'd bet, if you calculated all their credits over the course of a year, its quite a bit of money...but as Amber said somewhere, most don't have bank accounts to reflect it. In the words of a great Knick, patrick ewing...."yeah, basketball players (escorts) make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money too."

[daltx_m]

First timers get a lesson in paying full price.

Ha! made me laugh.

[Dino Velvet]

I've been told on dating sites that virgins don't show up. I think I can understand that.

Good point. I imagine some get cold feet.

[RallyCola]

Good point. I imagine some get cold feet.


i don't think that is limited to just "first timers" many girls talk about how most guys lie about it being either first time AND many girls say that they are often stood up. "cold feet" are a peril of the escorting biz simply because what a horny guy says and actually follows through on are quite different.

i have never stood up a girl...i have met them and decided i won't proceed if i feel they engaged in a bit of false advertising or i feel unsafe with their health/hygiene after meeting in person.

[Dino Velvet]

Not always first timers, I guess. Some might make a date with an escort, get in the shower, end up spanking it, and stay in watching Sportcenter smoking reefer.

[RallyCola]

Not always first timers, I guess. Some might make a date with an escort, get in the shower, end up spanking it, and stay in watching Sportcenter smoking reefer.

well, i always spank it before visiting an escort. if i'm really into the moment, i don't want to end up spending a few bucks for 5 min of fun. spanking it right before a visit helps prolong my fun times.

[LibertyHarkness]

no i wouldnt

[RallyCola]

what if he was a severely disabled man with muscular dystrophy with a 9.5" cock and a virgin and looked like this:
http://images.zap2it.com/images/tv-EP01577180/legit-d-j-qualls.jpg



yes, that is DJ Qualls who plays a guy with MD that jim jefferies takes to a prostitute in nevada to lose his virginity on his new show, legit. (FYI...i am done with that show..last night's episode was just too shit)

[TSPornFan]

Actually, some Euro nations will give men with disabilities a hooker voucher. It is paid for by tax payers' dollars. Sex is needed to live a happy and healthy life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303273/Councils-pay-disabled-visit-prostitutes-lap-dancing-clubs.html

[Prospero]

Would an escort give a customer a discount if she was going to be his last? You know a pensioner on his last legs.

[RallyCola]

Actually, some Euro nations will give men with disabilities a hooker voucher. It is paid for by tax payers' dollars. Sex is needed to live a happy and healthy life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303273/Councils-pay-disabled-visit-prostitutes-lap-dancing-clubs.html


vouchers for sex? that's fucked up. i can't stand my tax dollars going to pay for shitty welfare programs for lazy cunts that don't work, let alone getting a disabled person laid.

anyway, i agree with your assessment...sex is needed to live a happy and healthy life...just ask a priest.

[TSPornFan]

vouchers for sex? that's fucked up. i can't stand my tax dollars going to pay for shitty welfare programs for lazy cunts that don't work, let alone getting a disabled person laid.

anyway, i agree with your assessment...sex is needed to live a happy and healthy life...just ask a priest.

Some disable people may not have any other way of getting laid. I don't see this as a big deal.

[RallyCola]

Some disable people may not have any other way of getting laid. I don't see this as a big deal.

they should use their own money or borrow from family, not tax dollars. if they received a government check and used it on an escort...that's ok because they are sacrificing food or housing dollars. the "voucher" per se would be ear marked or them to use for sexual gratification which seems to be an excessive governmental program.

[amberskyi]

Actually, some Euro nations will give men with disabilities a hooker voucher. It is paid for by tax payers' dollars. Sex is needed to live a happy and healthy life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303273/Councils-pay-disabled-visit-prostitutes-lap-dancing-clubs.html

i would be too mortified to cash those in

[RallyCola]

i would be too mortified to cash those in

lol...cold you imagine the line at the office to cash them in.

i mean, its almost one stop shopping. guys with vouchers can just wheel themselves down to the line. you wouldn't even have to waste a stamp to mail them out...guys collect them, use them and girls return them.

[amberskyi]

lol...cold you imagine the line at the office to cash them in.

i mean, its almost one stop shopping. guys with vouchers can just wheel themselves down to the line. you wouldn't even have to waste a stamp to mail them out...guys collect them, use them and girls return them.

Lmao....why not add rooms they can use for added convenience.government run brothels

[RallyCola]

Lmao....why not add rooms they can use for added convenience.government run brothels

might as well. HUD can run it as a public works project.

The major problem is that if that were the case, ugly lonely dudes everywhere would willingly cut off their leg to be disabled and get the free sex.

[TSPornFan]

they should use their own money or borrow from family, not tax dollars. if they received a government check and used it on an escort...that's ok because they are sacrificing food or housing dollars. the "voucher" per se would be ear marked or them to use for sexual gratification which seems to be an excessive governmental program.

Some disabled people are unable to work and solely depend on Government assistance. Some disable people may not have family. Have a heart.

[amberskyi]

might as well. HUD can run it as a public works project.

The major problem is that if that were the case, ugly lonely dudes everywhere would willingly cut off their leg to be disabled and get the free sex.

Do does that mean i would be a government employee.do i get health benefits, retirement etc.
Lmaoooooo

[natina]

any more virgins left?

[natina]

its not very hard to figure out if you ever had any business classes.

I know of an escorts who spends $120.00/day on a hotel room and $150 on Friday/Saturdays. the escorts goes out to eat every day for at least two meals a day at $10 for breakfast and $25.00 for lunch/day. The clothing ,heels, sandals ,jewelry,makeup, cleaners and other accessory's can be found out by looking at a Victoria secrets catalog and a Fredericks of Hollywood catalog. the escorts goes out to clubs every weekend and gets there hair done at a salon for $65.00 once every week. the escort get a pedicure and manicure every two weeks for $100. makeup last several months.

$150 heels , $90 dresses


add all the up.


I'm trying to get my friend's daughter to buy me a Photoshop CS6 Extended Student version for $235 instead of 800 bucks.

I wish I could pin these girls down on how much they actually make a year. I'm a supporter of the Arts, but I guarantee you I make less than your average Sex Worker.

I've been told on dating sites that virgins don't show up. I think I can understand that.

[buttslinger]

All that flash is overhead, Natina. I mean, it's a great party, but how much goes in the IRA? How much goes to drugs?

[RallyCola]

All that flash is overhead, Natina. I mean, it's a great party, but how much goes in the IRA? How much goes to drugs?


exactly...all that is unnecessary for the job of fucking for a buck. those are lifestyle choices. moreover, as amber stated in another post...some escorts are clearing significant cash, but it doesn't show in their account.

[Antonpbar]

I had an Armenian guy see me when I lived in Glendale,CA and he came over paid and had fun, but when it was over he freaked out on me! He went crazy, started crying and saying "WHY DID I DO THIS! Im gay, whole bunch of shit I am in." I was like omg, just get out of here!

Crazy guy you had Michelle!

I only recently had my first TS experience, it all went so much easier in my head than i had imagined (ie loosing my nerve and running out) once i sat on the bed it all just happened smoothly and i loved it all. I still daydream about it each day.

Its so odd how people can feel so different once they have done something like this.

On topic i didn't think it would be a good idea to ask to pay any less and getting a poorer first time experience, Plus she had to deal with me sat on the chair while she was sat on the bed for the first 5 mins before i settled down and joined her.

[IAdoreTgirl]

I am a virgin, but I'm not looking for discounts or stuff. I just want to be friend with some beautiful girl, having sex with her even payed one its still a good deal. I just don't like rushing into things so we can "do it" and leave it be :) Not that I will refuse a discount :D I just never payed for sex, and I prefer to do it with someone I like, because I would like to experience the full thing, giving and receiving. I'm not a selfish person and I really want to give, a lot :P

[phyt78]

A couple of years ago, I was a bad first timer. First TS experience, first escort experience, first time playing with a penis other than my own. The entire drive to her place, I kept replaying episodes of Cops in my head where they did stings, and was pretty much a nervous wreck when I got there. Had issues getting it up, got the giggles, asshole cramps, etc... I'm sure you know the drill by now.

We finally gave up, hugged and I left. Paid full price when I got there. Didn't have a second thought beyond "Lesson learned" when I left. And I honestly believe she earned every penny of it. So no, I don't believe virgins (real or otherwise) should get a discount.

I've had a little practice since then and if I'm ever sent to a city where TS escorts are available, I fully intend to try again. It's at the top of my list of fantasies for a reason... If that city happens to be Seattle again, I'll probably see if the same girl's still around.

Wow, not exactly what I expected my first post here to be... :grin:

[natina]

nothing goes into and IRA,THEY DO NOT PAY INTO SSI or have aflack

[buttslinger]

No TAXES either!

[Chaos]

any more virgins left?

Some of us are out here.

[natina]

many TRANSSEXUALS " RETIRE " to OBSCURITY and POVERTY.

[RallyCola]

many TRANSSEXUALS " RETIRE " to OBSCURITY and POVERTY.

a lot of people do. the difference is that people with regular tax paying jobs can rely on young people for social security.

[wiltthestilt]

a lot of people do. the difference is that people with regular tax paying jobs can rely on young people for social security.

People without tax paying jobs will rely on young people for social security as well. Only it will be SSI disability. The rules to collect are relaxed at age 50 and relaxed further at age 55. And it is even easier for someone with no work experience to get approved. It is realistic for someone age 55 in average (not excellent) health to be approved for disability.

[buttslinger]

many TRANSSEXUALS " RETIRE " to OBSCURITY and POVERTY.

I made a fool of myself when I said that some of the internationally-known girls here could retire as millionaires after ten years, especially in the countries where escorting is legal, but I guess it's the hotel owners, and clothing store execs who retire rich, via the Escorts. (sigh)
It's all a set-up.

[RallyCola]

let's be realistic...escorting itself isn't a very stable and long term job. you are forever fighting age and new crops of escorts competing for your clients. moreover, as with any service that is basically non-essential, you are subject to the overall health of the economy.

[asianphoenixx]

Tia Phoenixx offers under 30 and senior discounts or she did anyway. I wish I would have booked her when I was 29.

Im surprised more girls dont offer repeat customer discounts, since I usually wont pay full price for a repeat. Maybe thats not major problem with most customers though


Yes I was because i thought by giving discount, it would increase the business and the repeat. but believe it or not..it did not work as i thought.

Every escort has different experience.

For me personally, it simply did not work. Probably because i cater to different market niche.

In other words, even thought i charge double than my current rate, my typical clients still come, but i won't do that in USA or Europe since i still have some clients like yourself and i want to be fair for everybody thus charging lower rate.

The "upscale" rate has already applied in Toronto though

www.tia-phoenixx.com/rendezvous

cheers,

Tia

[asianphoenixx]

Btw..i still give a discount for those who are under 27 (not 30 anymore) simply because i want to encourage my age group to come to see me.

though i doubt it will work...but i'm still hoping it will!

let's see..

[asianphoenixx]

many TRANSSEXUALS " RETIRE " to OBSCURITY and POVERTY.
...and some retire with millions dollars asset.

It all depends on how you manage our lives and career.

Professional and popular tgirl escorts earn between 200 to 500K per annum.
If we can save and invest, it's very possible to have 2 millions dollars in asset by the time we are retired.

I target more than that...so i have to work for another 2 or 3 years.
2 millions is not enough for me since i'm used to having a nice, comfortable, executive lifestyle.

My 2 cents and honest opinion,

Tia Phoenixx

[asianphoenixx]

many TRANSSEXUALS " RETIRE " to OBSCURITY and POVERTY.
...and some retire with millions dollars asset.

It all depends on how we manage our lives and career.

Professional and popular tgirl escorts earn between 200 to 500K per annum.
If we can save and invest, it's very possible to have 2 millions dollars in asset by the time we are retired.

I target more than that...so i have to work for another 2 or 3 years.
2 millions is not enough for me since i'm used to having a nice, comfortable, executive lifestyle.

My 2 cents and honest opinion,

Tia Phoenixx

[SheWantsTheD]

It would be difficult to prove a virgin. And also what sort of virgin? Virgin to TS? Virging to bottom? Who knows?
I think it would be cool if some ts offered student discount or something for the OAPs who just want to feel young again. How about discounts for people who do dangerous jobs like firemen etc?
Maybe a special day, half off thursdays or something?
And the biggest thing, if the paying guy makes the ts cum really hard she should definitely give him a discount for making her day.

[Tosser]

Do you pay tax like the rest of us?

[Fancy fancy]

I would like to ask a question....


How does a TS escort do her banking? How do you earn £m's without paying tax.

Say you work in Dubai, paid cash, where do you put it when you are looking to move on to the next tour destination (up your arse?)

[tommy001]

No way! charge 50% more would be more like it.

[nysprod]

Yes I was because i thought by giving discount, it would increase the business and the repeat. but believe it or not..it did not work as i thought.

Every escort has different experience.

For me personally, it simply did not work. Probably because i cater to different market niche.

In other words, even thought i charge double than my current rate, my typical clients still come, but i won't do that in USA or Europe since i still have some clients like yourself and i want to be fair for everybody thus charging lower rate.

The "upscale" rate has already applied in Toronto though

www.tia-phoenixx.com/rendezvous

cheers,

Tia


Discounting is for Wal-Mart...you should never discount, and I would suggest charging at the upper end if not more.

As soon as you discount (or worse, make something free in an effort to attract paying customers) the product becomes devalued and you appeal only to the people with less discretionary income.

Rich people, by and large, are not driving the cheapest cars, buying the cheapest jewelry, clothes, watches etc. Yes, everyone loves a bargain...rich people do not want to pay more than they have to BUT, they will not forsake luxury items for run-of-the mill things based on price (they'll search for the best price on a Rolex, but they will not forsake the Rolex for a Timex).

Always, always, always remember:

You will never go broke selling expensive stuff to rich people.

[SheWantsTheD]

Yes, you will never go broke selling sex to rich tranny chasers. Don't be surprised though if they are fat, old, smelly or bottomers or a combination of those.

[nysprod]

Yes, you will never go broke selling sex to rich tranny chasers. Don't be surprised though if they are fat, old, smelly or bottomers or a combination of those.

You really are a troll, aren't you...

[Jamie French]

Most john's are just regular guys. Although, no - you never discount. That's a bad business model for a premium & inherently risky service. Also, paying taxes is easy. Sign off as an independent contractor in the performance artist category and pay the appropriate percentage. (the IRS makes allowances for every conceivable means of income and keeps terminology loose so even criminals can pay their dues.) Even Al Capone had to pay taxes. No one is exempt.

[SheWantsTheD]

You really are a troll, aren't you...
I know I have been trolled just by replying to you calling me one but all I want to say

[STARTUP999]

Trying to free sex from a provider who makes there living as a sex worker is lame. Try getting a plumber to clean your pipes for free.

[nysprod]

Discounting is for Wal-Mart...you should never discount, and I would suggest charging at the upper end if not more.

As soon as you discount (or worse, make something free in an effort to attract paying customers) the product becomes devalued and you appeal only to the people with less discretionary income.

Rich people, by and large, are not driving the cheapest cars, buying the cheapest jewelry, clothes, watches etc. Yes, everyone loves a bargain...rich people do not want to pay more than they have to BUT, they will not forsake luxury items for run-of-the mill things based on price (they'll search for the best price on a Rolex, but they will not forsake the Rolex for a Timex).

Always, always, always remember:

You will never go broke selling expensive stuff to rich people.

Actually, I'll modify that last part:

A lot of rich people prefer a luxury buying experience, i.e. if Wal Mart has a better price on a Rolex than a swanky shop with lux surroundings, attractive and knowledgeable salespeople, etc...they'll choose the luxury buying experience and pay more.

Although there is one thing for the life of me I will never understand:

Wealthy actors, musicians, etc will dump thousands of $$ on strippers and hookers...this totally mystifies me...I mean, beautiful women are falling all over themselves to fuck them for free, so what's the deal with paying?

[asianphoenixx]

You guys have all the points.
In a way, discount is not encouraged if we have done our homework: do the market analysis and research.

However, it's kind of hard to predict the buying power in a new market if we travel around the world.
for instance, here I'm in South Africa and i've just found out that i'm at least 3 times more pricey than the local girls. Phew....it's a challenge to get a new client if you charge triple or even more than others....

[asianphoenixx]

Actually, I'll modify that last part:

A lot of rich people prefer a luxury buying experience, i.e. if Wal Mart has a better price on a Rolex than a swanky shop with lux surroundings, attractive and knowledgeable salespeople, etc...they'll choose the luxury buying experience and pay more.

Although there is one thing for the life of me I will never understand:

Wealthy actors, musicians, etc will dump thousands of $$ on strippers and hookers...this totally mystifies me...I mean, beautiful women are falling all over themselves to fuck them for free, so what's the deal with paying?


good question. Me too at the beginning..
So i simply ask them.

Few months ago, I saw a hockey player of 28 years old: handsome, perfect body with millions $ in his account.

I ask him why he saw me if he could fuck all the girls he wants. His answer is simple: fast, quick, discreet and no drama. Besides, seeing a tgirl is something rather uncommon in that macho culture you know...

my 2 cents

Tia

[bluesoul]

Actually, I'll modify that last part:

A lot of rich people prefer a luxury buying experience, i.e. if Wal Mart has a better price on a Rolex than a swanky shop with lux surroundings, attractive and knowledgeable salespeople, etc...they'll choose the luxury buying experience and pay more.

Although there is one thing for the life of me I will never understand:

Wealthy actors, musicians, etc will dump thousands of $$ on strippers and hookers...this totally mystifies me...I mean, beautiful women are falling all over themselves to fuck them for free, so what's the deal with paying?

this was kind of disturbing to read for a couple of reasons:

1). the luxury buying experience. unless the person has no idea about quality, most people will spend more money due to either the craftsmanship of the product or the value (investment) of the item.

2). when you suggested charging at the upper end. what exactly is being charged at the upper end? is it even worth that price? an example: if you told a newspaper vendor "charge at the upper end" does that make his newspapers better than everyone else's?

you asked about "wealthy actors, musicians etc dumping thousands of $$ on strippers and hookers" i hate to tell you, but most of those people aren't wealthy. most of those people get advances for almost everything they do so technically, it's like getting a loan to live a certain lifestyle. corporation presidents, bank presidents etc are wealthy people and rarely will they pay. you know why? wealthy people also tend to be the greediest.

[Sir Mark]

Sometimes it's more a mater of negotiating a price for the given (bought/rented) service.
I have to admit however during my walking career in the Amsterdam rld, I've been offered free blowjobs.

[Jericho]

Although there is one thing for the life of me I will never understand:

Wealthy actors, musicians, etc will dump thousands of $$ on strippers and hookers...this totally mystifies me...I mean, beautiful women are falling all over themselves to fuck them for free, so what's the deal with paying?

Simple...Hookers leave when you ask them to, they don't haunt your life! :shrug