Can trans women be masculine and attract you?

[MsDazzler]

So often I hear "femininity" thrown around on this forum as the major reason why guys flock to trans women.

Now I have a question:

Is it possible for a trans woman to be just, say, masculine and butch...and still be attractive?

[LongTom101]

So often I hear "femininity" thrown around on this forum as the major reason why guys flock to trans women.

Now I have a question:

Is it possible for a trans woman to be just, say, masculine and butch...and still be attractive?

Nope

Not to me

[LibertyHarkness]

yes to some , no to others ... its in the eye of the beholder ..

if someone likes black girls only they wont be into white girls, if someone is only into skinny girls they wont like curvy girls ..

also with TS it also depends on the mens agenda of what they desire .. if its just the cock then no its not really going to matter is it ... they just want a cock in a frock ..

its a subjective area to have one clear answer that fits all ..

each to their own .. :)

Look at Grace Jones , she was butch/masculine but yet still extremely desirable woman in her day .

[timxxx]

You must be new here,a large cock is enough to attract a significant of guys here.

[Jericho]

Maybe...To some lesbians! :shrug

[MsDazzler]

Well... it is just that femininity seems to be a major expectation from guys for trans women, so I am wondering if I can ever "let my hair down" and exhibit some masculine traits around guys. lol.

You might have gotten the impression from my posts that I am very traditional and feminine, but I was raised as a boy, so... I still have some childhood interests that could be considered "masculine" or traditionally for boys... such as comics, video games, etc.

[LibertyHarkness]

i love comics, i draw comics .. i play xbox with tons of my female friends ... i also play warhammer 40k, i collect airsoft guns ... they are just hobbies gender irrelevant ..

now if you walked around shouting in a deep voice scratching your bollocks while pissing standing up smoking a fag i could say yeah maybe best not do that one infront of the guys :)

[RyderMonroe]

Well... it is just that femininity seems to be a major expectation from guys for trans women, so I am wondering if I can ever "let my hair down" and exhibit some masculine traits around guys. lol.

You might have gotten the impression from my posts that I am very traditional and feminine, but I was raised as a boy, so... I still have some childhood interests that could be considered "masculine" or traditionally for boys... such as comics, video games, etc.

are there really still guys that think its un lady like to play video games and read comics? in 2013 i dont think most guys would think anything of it.. now if you stop shaving your legs or something then thats another story im sure lol.

[littletwink]

It depends on the woman, regardless of whether she's trans or GG. There are some totally butch trans women who still look hot, but then there are some manly looking trans women who are ugly just cuz they're ugly. And they'd usually make ugly men too.

[FreddieGomez]

sure why not?

Just look around!
a TS with a big dick trumps all femininity!

[Ben]

So often I hear "femininity" thrown around on this forum as the major reason why guys flock to trans women.

Now I have a question:

Is it possible for a trans woman to be just, say, masculine and butch...and still be attractive?

Depends. I mean, attraction, physical attraction, is very subjective. I mean, would one say that Natalia Coxxx is "masculine" because of her muscled physique???????

[nysprod]

So often I hear "femininity" thrown around on this forum as the major reason why guys flock to trans women.

Now I have a question:

Is it possible for a trans woman to be just, say, masculine and butch...and still be attractive?

Lol...grow your mustache and we'll let you know...

[JenniferParisHusband]

To me, she has to be more feminine in her looks. So, no. But that said, it's really in the eye of the beholder as to what is masculine and feminine, and even then, some of the more masculine ladies I've seen have had moments where I've looked at a photo of them and been into it. So I guess it depends on the presentation too.

[Dino Velvet]

Lol...grow your mustache and we'll let you know...

If she looks good with it she can twist the ends while drinking my milkshake.

[nysprod]

If she looks good with it she can twist the ends while drinking my milkshake.

...after tossing my salad...

[Dino Velvet]

...after tossing my salad...

Make it a chocolate chip milkshake then.

[nysprod]

Make it a chocolate chip milkshake then.

...her mustache brings all the boys to the yard...

[Ben]

are there really still guys that think its un lady like to play video games and read comics? in 2013 i dont think most guys would think anything of it.. now if you stop shaving your legs or something then thats another story im sure lol.

What about, too, playing sports? Is that seen as being masculine?
I mean, is masculine and feminine merely cultural? Or is it innate?
Plus what about people who see themselves as: genderless?
That term isn't really brought up on this site. But it is becoming more common that people -- men and women -- see themselves as being genderless.

[Dino Velvet]

What about, too, playing sports? Is that seen as being masculine?
I mean, is masculine and feminine merely cultural? Or is it innate?
Plus what about people who see themselves as: genderless?
That term isn't really brought up on this site. But it is becoming more common that people -- men and women -- see themselves as being genderless.

My female cousin was a powerlifter. She was 100% straight and 0% feminine. She married a real passive guy with a Golden Retriever. She beat him so bad I'm not sure if the dog has been able to locate him still. He did leave in the dead of night. My cousin never remarried.

[nysprod]

My female cousin was a powerlifter. She was 100% straight and 0% feminine. She married a real passive guy with a Golden Retriever. She beat him so bad I'm not sure if the dog has been able to locate him still. He did leave in the dead of night. My cousin never remarried.

She sounds feminine to me...

[TSPornFan]

Danni Daniels is my only exception.

[fred41]

Depends on what you mean by masculine...nothing's cut and dried when it comes to sexuality. I'll use the actress Michelle Rodriguez as an example: although she's quite pretty (to me, anyway), she also comes across as quite butch...which is why she's used in so many butch roles (boxer, mercenary/soldier,mercenary/soldier, mercenary/soldier, street bitch...lol,..etc...). She'd be considered masculine by a large segment of the female population and a portion of the male...but she's totally hot, to me,and to at least a significant enough portion of the viewing public to justify giving her a decent amount of Hollywood work.I think that is because she's quite sexy.

If you mean Carl Lewis in a wig and a mini-skirt...not my taste.(but major props to guys that love that and have the cojones to show that love in public )

Now,...if you are referring to that bit of hard edge some girls may exhibit as a by-product of either DNA or some slightly later transitioning...that's not going to hinder someone like me.I wouldn't be here if it did. I'm blind to that shit.Attractive is attractive.

[RyderMonroe]

Well... it is just that femininity seems to be a major expectation from guys for trans women, so I am wondering if I can ever "let my hair down" and exhibit some masculine traits around guys. lol.

You might have gotten the impression from my posts that I am very traditional and feminine, but I was raised as a boy, so... I still have some childhood interests that could be considered "masculine" or traditionally for boys... such as comics, video games, etc.


What about, too, playing sports? Is that seen as being masculine?
I mean, is masculine and feminine merely cultural? Or is it innate?
Plus what about people who see themselves as: genderless?
That term isn't really brought up on this site. But it is becoming more common that people -- men and women -- see themselves as being genderless.

its almost entirely cultural i think... gender itself is something innate but gender expression/roles are mostly cultural..

[Ben]

its almost entirely cultural i think... gender itself is something innate but gender expression/roles are mostly cultural..

And, too, the late American activist and actor Russell Means pointed out that culture isn't Wal-Mart or McDonald's or any other so-called corporate structure.
What culture is is a set of values. But he pointed out that America has no values.
One can either agree or disagree with him.
But, well, what is culture? I'd say: yes!, it is a set of values.
And, too, what are our values? Is it to be selfish and unconcerned with other people? I mean, the emphasis is quite clear: you should only be concerned about yourself and nobody else matters.... I mean, that seems pretty crystallized in the American psyche.
And that leads to much broader environmental questions about whether or not we should be concerned about future generations.
But, again, the emphasis is on: I'm the only one that matters. It's an Ayn Rand ideology that has captured the core of our so-called culture.

[loveboof]

Not for me.

And Fred, Michelle Rodriguez is not masculine! lol

[fred41]

Not for me.

And Fred, Michelle Rodriguez is not masculine! lol

lol...I think you know what I mean...
I needed a minimal example.

[fred41]

lol...I think you know what I mean...
I needed a minimal example.
.......

[RallyCola]

So often I hear "femininity" thrown around on this forum as the major reason why guys flock to trans women.

Now I have a question:

Is it possible for a trans woman to be just, say, masculine and butch...and still be attractive?

as has been stated...not to me.

i don't find butch genetic women attractive so why would i find masculine transwomen attractive?

[Thor57]

yes, they can be very sexy....:iagree:

[RallyCola]

Not for me.

And Fred, Michelle Rodriguez is not masculine! lol

michelle rodriguez is not masculine. she has an average face and a relatively non-curvy body but her roles in movies are never very feminine at all.

http://media1.break.com/breakstudios/2011/8/16/Michelle_Rodriguez_07.jpg

[RallyCola]

yes, they can be very sexy....:iagree:
i am not sure if "masculine" is the word to describe the girls you posted, but i don't find any of the attractive.

[Thor57]

you have poor taste....

[fred41]

michelle rodriguez is not masculine. she has an average face...

...don't be telling me the potential future Mrs. fred41...has an average face...:)

[RallyCola]

you have poor taste....

to each their own...but my point was that i don't think "masculine" describes the girls you posted. you posted mostly flat-chested girls but some of them still have softer or feminine faces. butch women are like hillary clinton, ellen or melissa ethridge that though women, have harder features, generally shorter or manly haircuts, and dress accordingly.

[RallyCola]

...don't be telling me the potential future Mrs. fred41...has an average face...:)

dude...i was defending michelle as being non-masculine. but she isn't pretty IMHO. she is an average looking woman and a poor actress. there are 1000s of women in hollywood i find more appealing.

if she does it for you, that's great...but don't get your panties in a bunch. if i don't like her, or if another person finds her masculine, then perhaps that just means that you have less competition for her affection.

that said, i don't know you but i would assume you have as much of a chance of marrying michelle rodrigues as you do marrying michelle obama therefore have fun with your hand

[jamiethewild]

LOL "RallyCola"

[fred41]

dude....................blah blah blah

You're not invited to the wedding.












(unless you give big cash gifts at weddings...i can forgive)

[bzzzay]

Masculine face...no. But a more masculine/muscled body sure. I like superfit and even ripped women as long as they are pretty.

[fivekatz]

Whilst it is easy to get caught up in just what the OP means by masculine, my short answer without over contemplation is no.

For me anyway the turn on is a woman with a penis. I just don't find men attractive. OTOH whether it is TS or GG aggressiveness is bed is a turn on.

[acouplenyc]

are there really still guys that think its un lady like to play video games and read comics? in 2013 i dont think most guys would think anything of it.. now if you stop shaving your legs or something then thats another story im sure lol.

Exactly. And we all have masculine and feminine traits. It's life...male, female, or trans.

[jamiethewild]

Exactly. And we all have masculine and feminine traits. It's life...male, female, or trans.

True ....

In some forum someone gave a good definition of me ...

" someone who is self reliant, very intolerant of any bull, perhaps a little masculine in her demeanor, as in she may have a job or hobby that is normally associated with men.

Her emotions are are kept in check in that she rarely shows them to anyone. And this is the primary trait that makes her seem "hard cookie".

This person nailed it with my personality ....LOL

[acouplenyc]

are there really still guys that think its un lady like to play video games and read comics? in 2013 i dont think most guys would think anything of it.. now if you stop shaving your legs or something then thats another story im sure lol.


True ....

In some forum someone gave a good definition of me ...

" someone who is self reliant, very intolerant of any bull, perhaps a little masculine in her demeanor, as in she may have a job or hobby that is normally associated with men.

Her emotions are are kept in check in that she rarely shows them to anyone. And this is the primary trait that makes her seem "hard cookie".

This person nailed it with my personality ....LOL

i was about to make some really bad joke about liking cookies. i won't. :)

[castor_troyuk]

I think from the follow up posted your question refers more to personality traits than physical appearances. I've no problem with girls liking supposedly masculine things like sports or comics or any of those things.

If physically, then obvIoudly my preferences are for feminine women, but everyone is different

[Rusty Eldora]

I am attracted to the woman form and personality. In pics I have seen some guys that turn me on, but in real life I lock up even just talking to gay guys. I'm not sure if I will ever go there, nor much interest. In particular, a woman with a cock negates any interest in guys.

In woman, I am not interested in ripply muscle types, but athletes like swimmers, rock climbers, runners, rugby players turn me on. It ranges thru the girl next door, sweetheart, hippy chick, and into the model types. However, I have always had a problem with the bleached blonde Barbie doll mall girl type where their goal in life is a new pair of Prada shoes.

As to what she thinks or likes, as long as she thinks (and is pretty smart) I'm OK. Sport Nuts, concert girls, gamers, Nascar (well maybe not there), love outdorsy types that fish, hike, camp, or hunt.

As I get intimate with her there must be a fem feeling to her.

[ausentado]

femenine demeanor is a must for me, as for masculine body, slim kind of body thats ok, not lou fegrrino with a wig :D
as for masculine facial features, well don like in general, but there are occasionally some i find attractive but is in a morbid facination kind of way (not sure if thats the right expression on english, i dont mean like necrofilia sort of stuff, but attractive because its outside the norm kind of way )

[jamiethewild]

A weak men doesn't have guts to talk to a 5'5 gorgeous beautiful girl with a strong personality and that can always be a turn off. I actually find it a turn on when a guy can prove me that he has guts, and its not intimidated by a girl with a strong personality that says to me he is daring and dominated after all. I say everybody has fem and masculine traits wether its by physically or personality wise. I started transitioning by 14to15 so anything that has to do masculinity is something i never resemble physically nor ever since i was a child. I love to challenge men in their game.... but its the exterior the one that protects me. Showing weak emotions to men is never good. I would say women with a dominant personality make the rest of the women look good ...

[JenniferParisHusband]

Continuing the Michelle Rodriguez thing from a few pages ago, only because I'm totally down with Michelle Rodriguez too, and totally see the feminine in her.

Plus, she's all kinds of hot, when covered in oil!!!

[Prospero]

There is an escort in London called Goria who has made a strange journey (IMHO) and seems to be very popular. s a TS she was, obviously, once in a male body. Then she became a rather lovely looking TS. Now she advertises as a muscular dominant goddess. To my mind she is now such a strange hybrid I find her unnattractive. But she has many fans.

[oifarang]

Well... it is just that femininity seems to be a major expectation from guys for trans women, so I am wondering if I can ever "let my hair down" and exhibit some masculine traits around guys. lol.
.

You are welome to drink beer,burp and fart around me girl !

[RallyCola]

some of the above posts are speaking more about personality than looks. my original answer is just about looks. a woman liking things a man traditionally likes or exhibiting crass behavior associated with men has nothing do to with turning me on or off.

a butch woman is one that can be mistaken for a man because she has harder features, non-feminine attire and mannerisms and is in my opinion, generally unattractive. some of these women may have wonderful personalities and we may in fact become friends, but there could be no attraction.

[MsDazzler]

You are welome to drink beer,burp and fart around me girl !

LOL. I'll take you up on that. I actually am not that crazy about drinking wine. I prefer beer or champanange

[MsDazzler]

Okay... so I think this thread got derailed a bit...

When I was discussing masculiny/femininity, I was actually referring to behavior, hobbies and interests that have their traditional gender domains, not the way someone looks/appears/presents.

[bzzzay]

There is an escort in London called Goria who has made a strange journey (IMHO) and seems to be very popular. s a TS she was, obviously, once in a male body. Then she became a rather lovely looking TS. Now she advertises as a muscular dominant goddess. To my mind she is now such a strange hybrid I find her unnattractive. But she has many fans.

See I find this Goria girl HOT. She is still attractive to me because I find her pretty - like any pretty GG who works out hardcore. Although...those are some monster thighs...lol

[MsDazzler]

Right...

I was talking about a pretty transwoman who love to chug beer, play video games, even Magic The Gathering, watch football, and goes hunting. lol

[ed_jaxon]

Danni Daniels is my only exception.

I had the good fortune of meeting her this weekend and she is stunning. Looks far more feminine in person.

My business partner had met her in Chicago a while back and was raving about how fine and cool she was and I was skeptical. Not now.

And about Natalia Coxx. She is very small and cute.

[RallyCola]

Okay... so I think this thread got derailed a bit...

When I was discussing masculiny/femininity, I was actually referring to behavior, hobbies and interests that have their traditional gender domains, not the way someone looks/appears/presents.

you should have clarified that with the original post.

someone's behavior, hobbies and interests being inconsistent with their gender role is irrelevant as long as it isn't offensive. that said, your question still sucks because the examples you chose:

magic cards...geeky shit. there is no gender role associated with it...just geek.
video games, watching sports and drinking beer are no longer exclusively masculine.
hunting...you have a valid point here that hunting remains predominantly a male domain.

taken together, i don't like geeks and i find the desire to hunt in 2013 just stupid so we are left with girls that play video games, watch sports and drink beer. a girl, t or g, exhibiting such behaviors is fine with me

[canihavu]

So often I hear "femininity" thrown around on this forum as the major reason why guys flock to trans women.

Now I have a question:

Is it possible for a trans woman to be just, say, masculine and butch...and still be attractive?

No...

[Thor57]

No...

yes they can:iagree:

[littletwink]

Depends. I mean, attraction, physical attraction, is very subjective. I mean, would one say that Natalia Coxxx is "masculine" because of her muscled physique???????

It's a masculine trait that I'm attracted to in her. Her face is very feminine and pretty to me.

[loveboof]

You can have male oriented activities which are not particularly 'masculine'.

Like the geeky stuff which Rally discounted. A lot of those things are predominantly male activities, but are not traditionally masculine in nature. It is the same for comic books (etc) - a mildly geeky / juvenile hobby which is much more popular with men than women, but couldn't really be defined as a masculine activity. Perhaps this is because of its vaguely underdeveloped or childlike connotations...

On the other hand, something like video games could have been exclusively viewed in this same light just a couple of decades ago, but have now gained a much wider appeal (and with the growth of this audience has come the broader acceptance amongst women too).

When the OP asked if I like masculine girls, the immediate answer was no (and still is). But for me that doesn't really extend to hobbies and interests because anyone can get in to anything if they just have the right exposure to it.

Can a female Formula 1 fan still be girly and completely un-masculine? Of course. Is it possible for an ultra geeky, table top strategy gamer girl to be feminine? Yes.

These things do not accurately equate to masculine or feminine forms within our relative contextual gender roles.

[MsDazzler]

Well, male-dominated hobbies/interests still are distinctly masculine by the very nature of men being interested in them, just as female-dominated hobbies/interests.

Walk into a nail salon where there are only gay men and women, and you'll understand. lol.

Also... many women tend not to be interested in shoot-'em up video games, yet many men are.... aggressiveness and stalking tend to be a male thing, so... yeah, i would say shoot-em up games is a pretty masculine actvitiy.

[canihavu]

yes they can:iagree:


No they cannot.

[robertlouis]

Absolutely not. The more fem the better.

[rodinuk]

Okay... so I think this thread got derailed a bit...

How can you blame everyone else for derailing a thread that was never on track in the first place?


Well, male-dominated hobbies/interests still are distinctly masculine by the very nature of men being interested in them, just as female-dominated hobbies/interests.Walk into a nail salon where there are only gay men and women, and you'll understand. lol.Also... many women tend not to be interested in shoot-'em up video games, yet many men are.... aggressiveness and stalking tend to be a male thing, so... yeah, i would say shoot-em up games is a pretty masculine actvitiy.

Oh dear, you've been socially-programmed.

[Jericho]

Okay... so I think this thread got derailed a bit...

When I was discussing masculiny/femininity, I was actually referring to behavior, hobbies and interests that have their traditional gender domains, not the way someone looks/appears/presents.

You weren't very clear, i don't see that as
masculine and butch

If a girl said Pull my finger, and let out a ripper, I'd laugh! :shrug

[BeardedOne]

A lovely GG I know reviews electronic games for a major biz magazine. She plays them all and loves comics. Another GG I know is an accomplished auto mechanic. A few of the T gurls I know are into comics and gaming and it's probably why we get on so well when our clothes are on.

As for the 'femininity' issue, I don't think about that sort of thing too much. I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to and the masculine/feminine scale doesn't weigh into it much for me.

[Rusty Eldora]

Well, male-dominated hobbies/interests still are distinctly masculine by the very nature of men being interested in them, just as female-dominated hobbies/interests.

Walk into a nail salon where there are only gay men and women, and you'll understand. lol.

Also... many women tend not to be interested in shoot-'em up video games, yet many men are.... aggressiveness and stalking tend to be a male thing, so... yeah, i would say shoot-em up games is a pretty masculine actvitiy.

So you are saying am I attracted to a woman that likes to do my hobbies?

What a glorious dream, sign me up!!

[fivekatz]

If we are talking about hobbies and interests I have been married twice to GG's and in both cases they shared my love (or tolerated it) of sports and camping. My first wife was not a big time "shopper" or salon consumer.

Our relationships were based not just on what we had in common. I don't identify interests by gender, at least not exclusively. John Gotti was very into manicures just as lots of hyper-hetro males with the money and vanity to engage in these things.

I have found that what makes relationships work for me is shared core values and of course great sex which is a wonderful mouthwash for other short comings in a relationship. But I think I'd have a hard time living with someone who did not share my views on human rights and our responsibility to leave the world at least as inhabitable as we came into it.

But if a girl loves video games, Sunday Night Football, cars and makes my eyes roll when we fuck, so long as she doesn't think that Todd Akin is a smart guy misunderstood by MSNBC I think we'd get along pretty well.

[be2378]

I like a woman that does the not the "standard" thing a woman does. I would my girl to like airplanes, don't mind a military museum and smoke cigars, but thats just me. But to each is own. Im not picky sometimes.

[xuto]

yes DANNI DANIELS !!

[south ov da border]

seeing as for some reason I'm attracted to sporty women and dykes as well, I'm going to say whatever floats your boat...

[fuckstudent]

Definitely, if its something similar to Natalia Coxxx. She is perfect!

[Legfetishnyc]

There's some 'mental vs physical' conversation going on here, but I'd say either way, it has to be feminine to be sexy to me.

[Quiet Reflections]

sometimes I think people mistake muscular for masculine when the two things are very different. I also think people consider tough girls with take no shit attitudes as masculine which is completely wrong too.

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

A girl who looks meek but acts agressive at times can be fun.

Looking like Mike Tyson wearing a wig and dress is a negative though.

[angelboi]

I don't mind muscle t-girls but they must have good tits and still be feminine. Not really a fan of masculine t-girls.

[Thor57]

masc shemales are sexy, too...


:iagree:

:jerkoff

[Devilboy]

No.

The more femmy...the more better...

[LongTom101]

Hell NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

:whoa:whoa:whoa:whoa:whoa:what:what:what:what

[robertlouis]

masc shemales are sexy, too...


:iagree:

:jerkoff

It's all down to personal taste, , I admit, but I don't find any of these attractive in the slightest.

[TSLoverIB]

Not for me, ill pass, if a chick is way masculine and butch, turns me off.

[Plkpit]

I agree with last four posts.

[red-cyberman]

If she's all sexy and has no body hair or has smooth body hair but she might have some sort of manly voice or big hands or feet it's ok.
But if it's like a man wearing a wig or hairy body or facial hair showing and all of that then of course NO.

[Tits McButts]

That depends on what you mean by "be masculine". The muscly look doesn't do anything for me, but I'm not so shallow that I'd write off a girl in early transition just because she's still working the kinks out. There would need to be other reason why I'm interested, but looks ain't it alone.

If you're talking about a lack of femininity... like she goes a few days without doing her hair and makeup, wears nothing but sweat pants for a week, smells like dirty blankets and last night's dinner, and farts without apology, all women do that. Every last one.

[TSLoverIB]

Smells like dirty blankets? What kind of women do you date mcbutts, haha

Honestly, my last girlfriend jen, never farted once in front of me, i always wondered if she did it at all.

[bluesoul]

well, his location says "down in a hole" so i'm guessing he lives in west virginia. that would explain the dirty blankets and nothing but sweat pants all week

[TSLexi]

But if it's like a man wearing a wig or hairy body or facial hair showing and all of that then of course NO.

I've seen that on birchplace...stuff of my nightmares!

[robertlouis]

Smells like dirty blankets? What kind of women do you date mcbutts, haha

Honestly, my last girlfriend jen, never farted once in front of me, i always wondered if she did it at all.

That's because she was polite and waited till it was her turn. :dancing:

[wiltthestilt]

Can they attract me? No. Kills the fantasy totally. Ideally I would prefer a TS who was passive and let me do what I wanted (albeit, still getting hard and ultimately popping). I don't have a fantasy of being dominated.

Someone mentioned Danni Daniels earlier and that is a perfect example of a TS who I am not attracted to.

Obviously other people like different things, and that's fine, too.