What's wrong with TS porn?- Too Many Bad Male Models

[TSPornFan]

I commend Grooby for having harder standards for their male talent. We've seen Senachi reject many terrible male models. I've only seen one hardcore scene made by Grooby with a bad male performer. However, most companies are open to using bad male models.

TS Seduction often uses amateur male models. Any guy can submit an application and get shot a few times to live his fantasy. Tomcat is doing his members a disservice. Most of these guys do not get hard while receiving oral sex. Some of these guys can never get it up.

In opinion it looks weird seeing a girl suck a soft dick. It just doesn't look natural at all. What do you think while watching a girl suck a soft dick and it never gets hard?

Don't let me get started with Tristan. People say he is a good bottom and that he is gay. If Jesse, Foxxy, Natassia, Kelly Shore, and Yasmin Lee cannot get you hard then get the hell out of TS porn. This terrible performer was recently filmed with Jesse in Transsexual Cheerleaders 11. I swear this guy has never had an orgasm with a TS woman on camera.

Then we have male models who are ashamed to be on camera. Bailey Jay's husband hides his face. From my understanding he doesn't want people he know to see him. Let's not forget the guys who use masks.

What is TS porn going to do when Christianxxx, Lance, Wulf, and John Magnum retires? I'm sure a new talented male will come eventually.

In my opinion if a TS woman doesn't turn you on then you shouldn't be in TS porn. Scenes are so much better with more partners sharing a mutual attraction for one another. I know alot of people bash Tom Moore, but atleast he enjoys having sex with these women.

Do you think more companies should have higher standards for male models like Grooby?

[LibertyHarkness]

for me tom and christian are the best performers i have worked with to date ..

though in the uk i have 2 new gorgeous guys that shoot straight that will shoot with me .. they are fit toned young guys ,and with a full head of hair amazingly lol

[nysprod]

What's wrong with a lot of ts porn is that too much of it is formulaic and repetitive...

[christianxxx]

that's all porn in general

[elo]

i recommend transbian porn. :fuckin:

[Donkey]

What is TS porn going to do when Christianxxx, Lance, Wulf, and John Magnum retires?
Other than Christian, who are these guys? I'm not familiar with any of them. Photos?

Oddly enough, TS porn had better quality male performers 10 years ago.

[HarajukuDollxoxo]

Idk but I hope Christian doesn't leave. He's so mmm..:wiggle:

[RallyCola]

i agree with christian...all porn is formulaic when it comes down to it.

the main issue with using the same reliable performers over and over is that it becomes even more repetitive.

the main issue with using new talent is potentially a failed scene due to a bad performance.

that said though...there is a little that can be done by the "director" to elicit a better performance and scene. Better choice in timing particular acts, angles, etc as well as encouraging more versatility/variety. Even then though, because everyone has different tastes, you will always have detractors.

Let me give you an example. The recent scene with Gina Hart, Jaqueline Woods and Kitty features a fluffing scene before the actual scene. I found that hotter and better than the actual scene. It seemed less contrived and somehow more fun. Even so, the scene that could have ended up on the cutting room floor because it was not the scene they meant for profit. But that's just one fan's opinion. If I were to direct a scene, I am sure I'd have and equal number of people saying it was quality porn and those that say, i should have done this, or cast this dude, or did that...etc. My point is that the issues in tgirl porn are far more deep that simply faulty male talent. Does it matter that a dude on TS Seduction is limp...the same thing always occurs...a dude is "duped" and "forced" to suck cock and bottom after being tied up. Its just the same over and over again.

[RallyCola]

Other than Christian, who are these guys? I'm not familiar with any of them. Photos?

Oddly enough, TS porn had better quality male performers 10 years ago.


"Lance" is one of the more recent bald guys that is often in Shemale Pornstar shoots. The other is "Smith"
http://www.grooby.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/natassiadreams_lance9.pk.013-600x381.jpg



"Wolf" is in a lot of SMC stuff and TS Babysitters/Prostitutes shoots.
http://img.photosex.biz/imager/w_500/h_500/1f7d3f8d4f4f873deefa8e552132159b.jpg



"John Magnum" was in most of the Transsex Domination stuff.
http://kimberjamesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/kimber-james-john-magnum-02.jpg





There are also other frequent performers as well...Tom Moore, that bodybuilder guy that is french i think, Gabriel, Mark Frenchy, that fat guy with the goatee that is also in a lot of TS Babysitters/Prostititues movies, etc.

[littletwink]

When I'm looking at TS or musclegirl porn, I normally have only a very small window of time to enjoy myself, so I don't devote much time to getting into the stories. Like foreplay before sex, I require very little setup for TS and musclegirl porn.

[RallyCola]

also, in defense of american men doing ts porn...while I will agree that christian probably has done the most, or at least in the top 3 of # of scenes, what about the brazilian guys that we see endlessly. Between "Paulo Machy," "Matheus," "Alex," "Yago," and "Tony/Marcus (whatever name he is going by," they have to be in like 90% of the scenes coming out of brazil regardless of the producer. Or what about Double O who is in almost every Extreme Ladyboys scene and is 100% formulaic.

Its really funny to me that some guys complain about using the same actors over and over whilst some complain when new guys who are not very professional are used and that 9 times out of 10, only US performers are criticized.

[nysprod]

that's all porn in general

True, but it really doesn't take much to make a scene stand out...venus and jane did a recent scene and when jane takes the cum shot, venus is smiling and says "good girl...good GIRL"...just that one little phrase made the whole thing so hot imo...

[TSPornFan]

that's all porn in general

I somewhat disagree. I think Straight porn has a lot of good male talent like Johnny Castle, Johnny Sins, Xanders, Dane Cross, Keiran Lee, Billy Bailey, Sean Michaels, etc.

However, so many bad performers slip through the cracks because alot of straight porn is made. Not every company can shoot the best guys week in and week out.

I cannot believe that Richie was nominated for male performer of the year. The bitch can't cum in a movie. He's a straight performer! Get out of here!

[nysprod]

I somewhat disagree. I think Straight porn has a lot of good male talent like Johnny Castle, Johnny Sins, Xanders, Dane Cross, Keiran Lee, Billy Bailey, Sean Michaels, etc.

However, so many bad performers slip through the cracks because alot of straight porn is made. Not every company can shoot the best guys week in and week out.

I cannot believe that Richie was nominated for male performer of the year. The bitch can't cum in a movie. He's a straight performer! Get out of here!

Nobody who watches straight porn gives a shit about the male performers...they're just props!

[Willie Escalade]

nobody who watches straight porn gives a shit about the male performers...they're just props!
Thank you!

[GroobySteven]

I think we've had the conversation of why we tend to stick to the same male talent and it's because of their reliability to turn up and do a good scene as much as anything. I think Smith (LA based) and Lucky (black performer on Black-Tgirls) also do good jobs.

How many male performer applications will I get between now and Sunday? Take a guess and you might win a free month to a site.

[amberskyi]

hmmm shouldn't it be the same in ts pron or do some of yall got wondering eyes lol

[amberskyi]

I think we've had the conversation of why we tend to stick to the same male talent and it's because of their reliability to turn up and do a good scene as much as anything. I think Smith (LA based) and Lucky (black performer on Black-Tgirls) also do good jobs.

How many male performer applications will I get between now and Sunday? Take a guess and you might win a free month to a site.

what do i get if i win?

[GroobySteven]

what do i get if i win?


Spanked on your ass. Same as you get if you lose.

[TSPornFan]

Nobody who watches straight porn gives a shit about the male performers...they're just props!

LOL! That's so not true! People do care about the male performer because females performer better with males they like. Bad male performers can turn off a girl thus ruining the scene!


I think we've had the conversation of why we tend to stick to the same male talent and it's because of their reliability to turn up and do a good scene as much as anything. I think Smith (LA based) and Lucky (black performer on Black-Tgirls) also do good jobs.

How many male performer applications will I get between now and Sunday? Take a guess and you might win a free month to a site.

I guess 75!

[wiltthestilt]

Just my opinion, but short or shrimpy men dont belong in TS porn unless paired with a petite TS. It looks ridiculous when the TS is several inches taller or heavier than the male and it makes the TS appear less feminine. But Im not into scenes where the guy gets fucked or dominated either--so Im indifferent to the casting of those scenes.

[GroobyKrissy]

I guess 75!

Are you just counting your submissions or is that a general guess?

[nysprod]

I think we've had the conversation of why we tend to stick to the same male talent and it's because of their reliability to turn up and do a good scene as much as anything. I think Smith (LA based) and Lucky (black performer on Black-Tgirls) also do good jobs.

How many male performer applications will I get between now and Sunday? Take a guess and you might win a free month to a site.

It's really not about using the same male performers...it's about doing just a little something that makes a scene stand out...

[elo]

How many male performer applications will I get between now and Sunday? Take a guess and you might win a free month to a site.123.Please no ass spanking.

[wiltthestilt]

Nobody who watches straight porn gives a shit about the male performers...they're just props!

Disagree. I watched straight porn for over 10 years before watching TS porn. A talented male performer wont get credit for a quality scene; but a crappy one can sure ruin it. Guys who look like outlaw bikers or my eighth grade science teacher; guys who are fat or unusually ugly; guys who make irritating sounds while fucking; guys who are creepy and get a luke warm performance out of the ladies; guys who cant even fake interest in the girl Im supposed to want to spank off to; are all detriments to a quality scene.

[nysprod]

LOL! That's so not true! People do care about the male performer because females performer better with males they like. Bad male performers can turn off a girl thus ruining the scene!

Lol...what, like some drunk frat boys sitting around critiquing technique??

[nysprod]

Disagree. I watched straight porn for over 10 years before watching TS porn. A talented male performer wont get credit for a quality scene; but a crappy one can sure ruin it. Guys who look like outlaw bikers or my eighth grade science teacher; guys who are fat or unusually ugly; guys who make irritating sounds while fucking; guys who are creepy and get a luke warm performance out of the ladies; guys who cant even fake interest in the girl Im supposed to want to spank off to; are all detriments to a quality scene.

Granted, a really bad performer can screw things up...but the vast majority seem to be able to do the job and among those, for the average straight male watching straight porn, they're as interchangeable as kleenex...

[ew86riv]

maybe i'm in the minority, but i think blame should also go on the girls too. a lot of these girls are not regular pornstars. outside of the girls like foxxy, eva lin, tiffany starr, and a couple others most girls come and go. it's not like gg porn where a lot of girls have regular movies and updates to sites weekly. maybe some of these girls don't have great performances because they're not regulars.

[wiltthestilt]

Granted, a really bad performer can screw things up...but the vast majority seem to be able to do the job and among those, for the average straight male watching straight porn, they're as interchangeable as kleenex...

Most can do the job because its the same group of guys in every film. I didnt watch much amatuer stuff so I cant comment on that. Ill grant you I never noticed or cared whether it was Evan Stone or Randy Spears or Steven St. Croix in a scene; or whether it was the same dozen male performers in every movie. While the average straight fan, myself included, is largely indifferent to the male star, Ill bet the directors, females, and other performers could tell you which guys bring the best out of the female talent. The average porn fan can pick up on whether scene is hot or listless, even if he cant point out the exact cause.

[SmithXXX]

Just my opinion, but short or shrimpy men dont belong in TS porn unless paired with a petite TS. It looks ridiculous when the TS is several inches taller or heavier than the male and it makes the TS appear less feminine. But Im not into scenes where the guy gets fucked or dominated either--so Im indifferent to the casting of those scenes.


So in essence nobody should shoot with Morgan Bailey except for who? Maybe we can get the Jolly Green Giant to shoot. Morgan along with quite a few other girls are all tall. Plus ALL the girls where high heels which make them even taller. I'm 5'10" and I just shot with Ryder Monroe who also is 5'10". In the beginning of the scene she was wearing heals so naturally she was a few inches taller.

[wiltthestilt]

So in essence nobody should shoot with Morgan Bailey except for who? Maybe we can get the Jolly Green Giant to shoot. Morgan along with quite a few other girls are all tall. Plus ALL the girls where high heels which make them even taller. I'm 5'10" and I just shot with Ryder Monroe who also is 5'10". In the beginning of the scene she was wearing heals so naturally she was a few inches taller.

Well Christian didnt have a problem. Morgan Baily is very tall, and in her case, you match her up as well as possible based on the available talent. Ive watched Morgan Baily in a number of scenes and I think she looked the best when matched with a taller male. With Domino or Sarina Valentine it doesnt really matter.


And in any case, I am describing my personal preference, and not prescribing an iron clad rule that everyone should have to follow. I do think it looks better when the male talent is taller.

[Westheangelino]

The problem is that the men don't take it like champs! I would so love to bottom in a scene with a hung girl and take it like a piggy pro!

[nysprod]

Most can do the job because its the same group of guys in every film. I didnt watch much amatuer stuff so I cant comment on that. Ill grant you I never noticed or cared whether it was Evan Stone or Randy Spears or Steven St. Croix in a scene; or whether it was the same dozen male performers in every movie. While the average straight fan, myself included, is largely indifferent to the male star, Ill bet the directors, females, and other performers could tell you which guys bring the best out of the female talent. The average porn fan can pick up on whether scene is hot or listless, even if he cant point out the exact cause.

I'm sure they can...and you're not the average porn fan, obviously...

[nysprod]

The problem is that the men don't take it like champs! I would so love to bottom in a scene with a hung girl and take it like a piggy pro!

You'd have to take a pay cut, no?

[Westheangelino]

^Nope! I'd be getting a bonus! I don't charge, and I don't get paid. Ok, well, to be honest I was once paid gas money by a VERY WELL KNOWN TS PORN STAR to come to the Valley and give her my ass. Yup, my ass was worth about 8 bucks that night.

[nysprod]

All kidding aside, the problem with TS porn is not too many bad male performers, and the reason is because the same few guys who are used repeatedly all do a very good job.

Here's what really is wrong:

"TS Jane Marie...5 Star Bitch"

Why bitch? Bitch is not sexy...bitch is negative...no man uses the term as a complement...it's well known that women hate to be called bitch except maybe after a hot session when you whisper "your such a hot bitch" in her ear and you both giggle.

Who is the title trying to appeal to?

How about: Jane Marie...5 Star Girl/Woman/Princess/Goddess/Beauty etc.

[flabbybody]

Tony Vee primarily uses 4 guys for his shemaleyum and BTG vids.
Mike, Adam Ant, Jason, and Toro.
All regular looking New York guys with day jobs that dig getting it on with the lovely ladies. They fuck and get fucked like champs. They can always deliver a money shot, and that's all that really matters when we're discussing the male talent.

[jamiethewild]

^Nope! I'd be getting a bonus! I don't charge, and I don't get paid. Ok, well, to be honest I was once paid gas money by a VERY WELL KNOWN TS PORN STAR to come to the Valley and give her my ass. Yup, my ass was worth about 8 bucks that night.

Why is it that i always hear you brag about your same story over and over, we all know how much of a queen puss you are in bed. Get over it .... Your always like 'WOW" ppl am a bottom. We heard enough :roll: good lord

[nysprod]

Look at this pic of Christian and Kimber...is it me or does it just absolutely radiate hotness?

[nysprod]

Now look at it again...it's still hot, perhaps even more so...that's when you know...

[Westheangelino]

Why is it that i always hear you brag about your same story over and over, we all know how much of a queen puss you are in bed. Get over it .... Your always like 'WOW" ppl am a bottom. We heard enough :roll: good lord


Why so angry????

[nysprod]

Why so angry????

because you're annoying...

[Westheangelino]

People are merely mirrors of each other. Since you think I write the same things over and over again, why don't you simply skip my posts?

[jamiethewild]

Why so angry????

Annoyed by repeated stories ... haha Why do you feel you need to say it over and over ? We get it. Sissy

[jamiethewild]

People are merely mirrors of each other. Since you think I write the same things over and over again, why don't you simply skip my posts?

So you think you have OCD about bottoming and saying your stories??? just curious... sissy

[Prospero]

I don't see how porn can be anything but formulaic. The outcomes are very limited. That's the point. It's the nuanced approach to the end game that matters. That and the attractiveness of the performers. In the end porn is about sex - or if you are into weirder stuff - about bondage or whatever. But its repertoire is by definition somewhat limited.

[Westheangelino]

So you think you have OCD about bottoming and saying your stories??? just curious... sissy

Always amazes me that transsexuals are the first to name call :party::party::party::party::party::party::party:: party::party::party:

[jamiethewild]

Always amazes me that transsexuals are the first to name call :party::party::party::party::party::party::party:: party::party::party:

It always amazes how bottoms fantasize too much... F*g, every time am around this board i heard your same story over and over of course i skip your post, there's nothing with your obsession and addiction. I simply asked you a simple question about " why you brag about being a such a queen in bed so much with the same stories? You goo to far with your thinking. I guess your tying to hide something, or that you have an issue. Hey come on at least "JamesEdwards" knowing his a mega bottom his creative with his stories and not repeated....

[nysprod]

Always amazes me that transsexuals are the first to name call :party::party::party::party::party::party::party:: party::party::party:

Have a lot of transsexuals called you names?

[Wendy Summers]

Have a lot of transsexuals called you names?

Late for Dinner?

[littletwink]

When I first saw this thread, I thought it said too many bad ROLE models.

[NaughtyJane]

When I first saw this thread, I thought it said too many bad ROLE models.
TS porn girls are my role models...and I thought it said... too many Bald Male Models... eyeglass prescriptions or what?

[francisfkudrow]

OK, OK, if there is such a dire need for males, I'll volunteer! Out of the goodness of my heart of course. ;)

[RallyCola]

i've always maintained that i have a face and cock size for producing/directing so though i'd love to be a porn star...alas, i will live vicariously through others

[Females+Shemales]

I'll admit it gets pretty tiresome seeing Christian, Wulf, and Tom all the time.

[Bobby B]

I'm new to the industry and have shot for smc and grooby with Holly Harlow, Joanna Jet, Jordan Jay and Brittany St Jordan so far!

[RallyCola]

I'm new to the industry and have shot for smc and grooby with Holly Harlow, Joanna Jet, Jordan Jay and Brittany St Jordan so far!

i'm tired of bobby b's face too :)

[JaxRhapsody]

Well obviously the way to fix it is to come here and do a few scenes with me. Id be a new face and afro, im not fat and im 6'4. Issue fixed.

[RadiusDark]

i agree with christian...all porn is formulaic when it comes down to it.

the main issue with using the same reliable performers over and over is that it becomes even more repetitive.

the main issue with using new talent is potentially a failed scene due to a bad performance.

that said though...there is a little that can be done by the "director" to elicit a better performance and scene. Better choice in timing particular acts, angles, etc as well as encouraging more versatility/variety. Even then though, because everyone has different tastes, you will always have detractors.

Let me give you an example. The recent scene with Gina Hart, Jaqueline Woods and Kitty features a fluffing scene before the actual scene. I found that hotter and better than the actual scene. It seemed less contrived and somehow more fun. Even so, the scene that could have ended up on the cutting room floor because it was not the scene they meant for profit. But that's just one fan's opinion. If I were to direct a scene, I am sure I'd have and equal number of people saying it was quality porn and those that say, i should have done this, or cast this dude, or did that...etc. My point is that the issues in tgirl porn are far more deep that simply faulty male talent. Does it matter that a dude on TS Seduction is limp...the same thing always occurs...a dude is "duped" and "forced" to suck cock and bottom after being tied up. Its just the same over and over again.

I went and watched that BTS footage (I shot it). LOL. You ain't seen shit.

[RallyCola]

I went and watched that BTS footage (I shot it). LOL. You ain't seen shit.

Hey, if there is better footage you are going to release, that's cool. my point is that the fluffing scene was more interesting than the contrived scene.

for me, the issue has usually been contrasting the horrid quality of the amateur porn out there with the contrived professional stuff. while i know that it is difficult to create a scene and get the performances you want, maintain high production values, get multiple angles, etc, there is something to be said for more "organic" fucking if you will, which is what the fluffing scene looked like to me. The intended scene with the 3 girls was good, but it too felt a bit robotic as if they knew they had to appear a certain way for the camera. Essentially, porn to me is less about fantasy and more about people cumming from enjoying one another both on screen and through the screen.

[RadiusDark]

Hey, if there is better footage you are going to release, that's cool. my point is that the fluffing scene was more interesting than the contrived scene.

for me, the issue has usually been contrasting the horrid quality of the amateur porn out there with the contrived professional stuff. while i know that it is difficult to create a scene and get the performances you want, maintain high production values, get multiple angles, etc, there is something to be said for more "organic" fucking if you will, which is what the fluffing scene looked like to me. The intended scene with the 3 girls was good, but it too felt a bit robotic as if they knew they had to appear a certain way for the camera. Essentially, porn to me is less about fantasy and more about people cumming from enjoying one another both on screen and through the screen.

Hey man, that day I was just a guy with a camera behind the scenes watching some awesome, sexual chemistry.

[REC]

Anyway, I did a hardcore shoot with Gina Hart and first time male performer Torque. The reason why I went with Torque, and not another guy is because the girls like him. Kitty Doll referred him to me in fact.

When we did the scene, yes, I had a contrived story. However, I recorded all the fucking first THEN recorded the story line to intro into the fucking.

The way I shot it looks very similar to the behind the scenes footage from that three girl shoot with a five to six minute (blowjob-tastic) intro.

Since I've been shooting foot fetish videos (and hearing my customers bitch and complain) since 2003, I have learned that people love that organic feel.

That's why I try to shoot my vids straight through with no cuts whenever possible. I also have my camera rigged in such a way that it allows me to move around and catch different angles with out too much camera shake (I've started cutting shaking camera footage out, though).

I watch the action through the LCD screen as if I'm the viewer looking at the scene on his computer and I use my intuition to determine when to move the camera based on what I think the viewer would want me to do.

This hardcore Gina Hart shoot and the second Serenity Sora videos are probably two of my recent favorites.

[LongTom101]

I misread the thread title and thought it said 'too many BALD male models', a sentiment I'd totally agree with !

[LibertyHarkness]

this is the new male model i am about to start working with for a stack of scenes in London ... have to say he is just Gorgeous .. .. cant wait :)

[christianxxx]

you crack me up Liberty

[LibertyHarkness]

why so

[RallyCola]

why so

because he isn't bald. you aren't keeping up with the trend.

i wonder what all these dudes were like before they shaved/lost their hair. can you imagine christian with a mullet?

[LibertyHarkness]

haha a mullet :) tell you what i have some old porn mags my dad gave me from the 70s and them men back in the day had some awesome mullets, curly hair, big tashes .. should have a resurgance of tashes ... just so i can get a guy to use my old porn name i wanted to use when i was a boy .. "Tash Wacker" :)