fox news criticizes jamie fox over his role in the movie DJANGO

[natina]

"KILLING WHITE SLAVE OWNERS IS HEROIC" and........

Django Unchained: Conservatives Wage 'War on Actor Jamie Foxx'

Django Unchained: Conservatives Wage 'War on Actor Jamie Foxx' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo4aBZvt0HM)

DJANGO UNCHAINED Interviews: Tarantino, Foxx, Waltz, Jackson and Washington
DJANGO UNCHAINED Interviews: Tarantino, Foxx, Waltz, Jackson and Washington - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3b2dH6n3Qg)

[akduck]

The news media has ran out of real news coverage and is now out seeking
tabloid journalism.

[Stavros]

Or the other question would be why Natina has not cited Spike Lee's attack on Tarantino...is it because he is not a raving right-wing lunatic...?

Tarantino is a pasticheur, he knits films together from other sources, though for me only Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction stand up to more than one viewing, the rest being negligible; and that is an advance on the films of Spike Lee. Maybe they should collaborate on a musical...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/04/spike-lee-s-dissing-of-django-unchained-earns-both-ire-and-indifference.html

[Dino Velvet]

Or the other question would be why Natina has not cited Spike Lee's attack on Tarantino...is it because he is not a raving right-wing lunatic...?

She probably doesn't know how to deal with the situation. She doesn't know whether to back the one who supports killing Whitey on film or the little pipsqueak who just sulks around all day hating Whitey. What a dilemma.

You know she tries to interject her racial hatred anyway she can. Unfortunately she gets away with it. Wonder how much rope I would be given if I were to attack her people as often as she goes after mine. She'd be a weepy loose-ass strawberry if I sunk to that level.

I do think it's time to put the soap boxes away and squash the problem with a ban hammer.

[fred41]

Or the other question would be why Natina has not cited Spike Lee's attack on Tarantino...is it because he is not a raving right-wing lunatic...?

Tarantino is a pasticheur, he knits films together from other sources, though for me only Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction stand up to more than one viewing, the rest being negligible; and that is an advance on the films of Spike Lee. Maybe they should collaborate on a musical...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/04/spike-lee-s-dissing-of-django-unchained-earns-both-ire-and-indifference.html

Not to change the subject, but I heard Spike Lee is going to do "Oldboy" next...hope he doesn't fuck that up because I really enjoyed that movie.

[Dino Velvet]

Park Chan-wook is, at least, a decent filmmaker. How will Spike try to change the original story around to fit in the same library with the other crap he makes?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0661791/

[fred41]

Park Chan-wook is, at least, a decent filmmaker. How will Spike try to change the original story around to fit in the same library with the other crap he makes?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0661791/

I don't know...I just can't envision it. I really enjoyed all the vengeance movies....I loved "Sympathy for Lady Vengeance" the most. I hope Spike isn't going to tackle all three of 'em. The other problem is...if you've already seen the originals...how are you going to keep the surprises fresh?

[Dino Velvet]

I don't know...I just can't envision it. I really enjoyed all the vengeance movies....I loved "Sympathy for Lady Vengeance" the most. I hope Spike isn't going to tackle all three of 'em. The other problem is...if you've already seen the originals...how are you going to keep the surprises fresh?

I like all 3 too. JSA and Thirst(Vampire film) are worth seeing too. He also directed a story in Three... Extremes.

[fred41]

I like all 3 too. JSA and Thirst(Vampire film) are worth seeing too. He also directed a story in Three... Extremes.

Saw "Three...Extremes"...enjoyed them (Fruit Chan's"Dumplings"..is probably the best known of the three)...Haven't seen "Three extremes 2" on Netflix yet...don't think he directed anything in that anyway.

Haven't seen JSA yet, but I will.

Saw "Thirst" and was a bit disappointed.

[Dino Velvet]

Saw "Three...Extremes"...enjoyed them (Fruit Chan's"Dumplings"..is probably the best known of the three)...Haven't seen "Three extremes 2" on Netflix yet...don't think he directed anything in that anyway.

Haven't seen JSA yet, but I will.

Saw "Thirst" and was a bit disappointed.

JSA is more of a drama but very good.

Joint Security Area - J.S.A. (Park Chan-wook 2000)- Korean Trailer [Eng Subs] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IEl2BVcnnc)

[fred41]

JSA is more of a drama but very good.

Joint Security Area - J.S.A. (Park Chan-wook 2000)- Korean Trailer [Eng Subs] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IEl2BVcnnc)

I'll watch it eventually - it's on my queue on Netflix.
Thing is...I've seen so many of these over the years...often stoned (which makes reading subtitles a challenge)...that often a third of the way through the film I'll have come to the realization that I already saw it.
...but if it was really good ...I'll enjoy watching it again.

[Dino Velvet]

I'll watch it eventually - it's on my queue on Netflix.
Thing is...I've seen so many of these over the years...often stoned (which makes reading subtitles a challenge)...that often a third of the way through the film I'll have come to the realization that I already saw it.
...but if it was really good ...I'll enjoy watching it again.

The weed I smoke makes it difficult to follow The Flintstones. I hear 'ya.http://board.freeones.com/images/freeones/smilies/joint.gif

[fred41]

The weed I smoke makes it difficult to follow The Flintstones. I hear 'ya.http://board.freeones.com/images/freeones/smilies/joint.gif

lol..what sucks is I've discovered some expensive weed I like....now I can't go back to the cheap stuff I could afford..
...so good that I get weepy watching "Sons of Anarchy" (just got through season 1.after everyone telling me I should watch it...they were right).

[Dino Velvet]

lol..what sucks is I've discovered some expensive weed I like....now I can't go back to the cheap stuff I could afford..
...so good that I get weepy watching "Sons of Anarchy" (just got through season 1.after everyone telling me I should watch it...they were right).

I'm a big SoA fan too. Same people who made one of my all-time favorite shows, The Shield.

[fred41]

I'm a big SoA fan too. Same people who made one of my all-time favorite shows, The Shield.

...would've watched "the Shield" in its entirety,...but I actually saw the very last episode...so it would be tough to do that.
...might try "Breaking Bad" after I'm done with SoA...but it's going to take at least a week.

[Odelay]

...would've watched "the Shield" in its entirety,...but I actually saw the very last episode...so it would be tough to do that.
...might try "Breaking Bad" after I'm done with SoA...but it's going to take at least a week.

Or, if you'd like a cross btwn The Simpsons and Breaking Bad...

http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/breaking_ned_by_akadoom-d5ebypc.jpeg

By the way, I will add... that in my opinion, Breaking Bad is unique in that they rarely waste a scene and there have been no throwaway episodes. Each ep is jampacked with plot. Watch the pilot and you'll be amazed how they got from point A (beginning) to point B (end), in a mere 60 minutes. Suffice it to say, I appreciate good editing.

[Dino Velvet]

...would've watched "the Shield" in its entirety,...but I actually saw the very last episode...so it would be tough to do that.
...might try "Breaking Bad" after I'm done with SoA...but it's going to take at least a week.

Breaking Bad is great. I recommend getting the DVDs and catching up. I found out about it just into the second season. I DVR'd those episodes and bought Season 1. Got through everything in a serious hurry and was dying for more.

Too bad your first episode of The Shield was the series finale. It was a wild ride. Vic Mackey will get back deep into the shit again one day. Poor Shane and the fam though.

RIP Cletus Van Damme.
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[natina]

http://www.newser.com/story/160426/horrific-death-camp-draws-record-tourism.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_3_2

Django Unchained: Conservatives Wage 'War on Actor Jamie Foxx' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo4aBZvt0HM)



"KILLING WHITE SLAVE OWNERS IS HEROIC" and........

Django Unchained: Conservatives Wage 'War on Actor Jamie Foxx'

Django Unchained: Conservatives Wage 'War on Actor Jamie Foxx' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo4aBZvt0HM)

DJANGO UNCHAINED Interviews: Tarantino, Foxx, Waltz, Jackson and Washington
DJANGO UNCHAINED Interviews: Tarantino, Foxx, Waltz, Jackson and Washington - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3b2dH6n3Qg)

[trish]

Quentin Tarantino is a master of popular iconography. He weaves heroic stories and violently splatters the tale across the big white screen. Watching Tarantino is like being a kid and opening a forbidden Frank Miller comic under your covers at night and reading it with a flashlight.

In one sense, Django is a typical fantasy revenge like so many westerns. But it pushes everything to edgy comic book extremes. One frame shows how slave families were separated, sold to different owners, for punishment and profit. Another frame shows slavers setting up and gamblers betting on fights to the death between slaves. Another frame shows how slaves were branded. Another how phrenology supposedly proved the inferiority of slave races. Yet another lays bare the ignorance of the KKK. All these scenes graphically display what were the realities of slavery in the U.S. in the time period depicted by the film.

It is all of these atrocities, and the the knowledge that they are quite real, that makes the fantasy revenge all so sweet. It’s like Clint Eastwood painting the town red in High Plains Drifter only better because the crimes against the Eastwood character were pure fiction. It’s like Moses and his people escaping from Pharaoh in The Greatest Story Ever Told only better because Moses didn’t stomp Pharaoh’s ass and burn his palace to the ground. It’s like Brad Pitt assassinating Hitler in Inglorious Basterds because that too is a Tarantino historical revenge fantasy.

Is Inglorious Basterds racist? Is Django? In both films the audience is manipulated into ebullience over the violent demise of film’s antagonist and his seemingly endless army of mean and nasty stooges. Both graphically portray the atrocities committed against a scapegoated race by an ignorant yet dominant culture of another race. Yet very few commentators (if any) complained that Basterds was prototypical reverse racism. Why?

Perhaps the feeling by some that Django is racist arises because racism is not yet dead in the U.S. Perhaps the fire lies just beneath the surface. Perhaps some are afraid the film will fan those flames. Anyone perusing the internet just after Obama was declared the winner of the 2012 election could not help but notice the heat and glow of so many N-words uttered in vain anger. My theory is that Django is no more racist than Inglorious Basterds. But the fact that so many Fox News commentators and viewers perceive it as being “reverse” racist is evidence that racism (of the original, non-reversed, orientation) still exists in the hearts of Fox News commentators and their Tea Bagging viewers.

[Stavros]

I don't have a problem with your review Trish, and after all its only a movie even if Tarantino is manipulating the feelings of the audience -apparently without much subtlety- but the argument with Natina is that she draws attention to a 'Right-wing'/Fox News attack on Tarantino whilst completely ignoring the attack by Spike Lee. Is one attack more worthy of exposure than the other?
I see it as a spat between two schoolboys, neither of whom have made more than a couple of films worth watching anyway, but Natina has yet to explain why she is so selective in her choice of critics, and opts for the ones whose profile in this argument is lower than Spike Lee's. I am not sure what the connection is between 'race' and slavery, it doesn't look like this film is going to enlighten me either.

[natina]

I do not care for spike lees feelings about this
I WANTED TO KNOW PEOPLES ON HA FEELINGS ABOUT.......

IS IT MORALLY WRONG TO KILL A SLAVE MASTER?

see video below
http://www.newser.com/story/160426/horrific-death-camp-draws-record-tourism.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_3_2


TRUE STORY

Celia the slave killed her slave master and burned/dismembered the body who was raping her since a young age.

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Django Unchained: Conservatives Wage 'War on Actor Jamie Foxx' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo4aBZvt0HM)

[natina]

THE VIDEO I WANTED YOU TO SEE/HEAR below

I do not care for spike lees feelings about this
I WANTED TO KNOW PEOPLES ON HA FEELINGS ABOUT.......

IS IT MORALLY WRONG TO KILL A SLAVE MASTER?

see video below


Django Unchained: Conservatives Wage 'War on Actor Jamie Foxx' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo4aBZvt0HM)

[Stavros]

In the real world it is morally wrong to kill slave masters, because murder is morally wrong, as well as being a crime in most countries, as it was in the USA in the 19th century. It is surprising that you should even ask the question, which veers away from what began as your focus on a politically 'conservative' attack on Tarantino, which you prefer to Spike Lee's presumably because his agenda makes you uncomfortable--?

In films, anything is possible.

[natina]

how about present day? since you feel it it wrong to kill a slave master.


how about a rapist? is it wrong to kill a rapist?


remember Celia killed,burned and dismembered the body of her rapist and slave master.

I THINK IT HEROIC!

[giovanni_hotel]

There's not much depth to Spike Lee's criticism of Tarantino other than he finds it offensive that Quentin use the N-word liberally in many of his films.
The N-word is still a Black thing for some Black folk. And Tarantino ain't Black.

ALso Spike is probably a little jealous of Tarantino cinematically since Quentin is still viewed as an auteur in some circles and Spike Lee lost that label in the late '80s.

Modern conservatives still want to believe slavery is the paranoid invention of a victim class in America. The last thing they want to see dramatized in a movie are some of the more peculiar realities of American slavery.

[broncofan]

It goes without saying that Fox News' criticism of the movie is missplaced. If they want a more sympathetic portrayal of slave owners, they'll have to wait for a different director to support such a waste of energy.

What surprises me about Spike Lee's criticism is that there is no logical basis for it. What would be the response to a movie portraying the horrors of slavery in which the slavemasters had some compunction about using racial slurs? Imagine slavemasters who were kindhearted and whose actions were put in the best light? Would this not be a grave insult to the suffering of millions under the institution of slavery? It would be tantamount to a denial of that legacy.

He also seems to indicate that Tarantino has a fetish for using the n word, but whatever ammunition he has with Tarantino's other movies vanishes when discussing even a highly fictionalized slave story (obviously a historical backdrop). You cannot any more portray slavery without racial slurs than you can portray the Holocaust era without having Nazis use words like parasite and vermin. Such words were an essential part of the vocabulary of the oppressing class. To what end should that be sanitized?

[natina]

NOTE!
P.S.
Tarantino made the movie to entertain people not for historical accuracy.

Django Unchained: Conservatives Wage 'War on Actor Jamie Foxx' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo4aBZvt0HM)

DJANGO UNCHAINED Interviews: Tarantino, Foxx, Waltz, Jackson and Washington - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3b2dH6n3Qg)

[broncofan]

NOTE!
P.S.
Tarantino made the movie to entertain people not for historical accuracy.

I imagine Tarantino still wants to maintain some elements of authenticity respecting the historical context that serves as the backdrop for the movie.

Even for the objective of entertainment it doesn't aid the endeavor to have Nazis (as in Inglorious Basterds) or slavemasters without menace. It's neither entertaining nor accurate.

Moreover in many posts you seem to be using the movie as the basis for evaluating the morality of behaving in ways similar to the characters in Django. As such you don't pay proper heed to your admonition.