Hypocritical and Wrong Doings in mainstream porn-Racism Towards African Americans

[TSPornFan]

Hello, everyone! Mainstream aka straight porn looks down at Transsexual porn and its performers. Straight porn is very hypocritical and in other cases downright wrong on many subjects. This is my new monthly thread series. Once a month I will make a topic about how straight porn is very hypocritical towards transsexuals.

Today we will be talking about racism. I know my people's month is next month. I want to get this off of my chest because a straight porn producer just pissed me off. I will give his name or site at the moment. His site did not film an African American in over three years until recently. His has not filmed an African American male in over 3 years. He informed me that interracial content is no longer shot on his site. Translation-black men are excluded from this site.

We hear it all of the time that African Americans do not sell in porn. Is this true? No.

If you're interested in IR porn or African American then you will have a hard time finding IR porn outside of the IR based sites. Mainstream companies try their hardest to avoid filming African Americans. Producers continue to claim that viewers don't want to watch any African Americans.

It has been reported that agents strongly pressure woman to not have sex with black men on and off camera. They tell the women that it will hurt their careers. This isn't true. Many popular pornstars like Jayden Jaymes, Lisa Ann, Jenna Presley, Sasha Grey, Krissy Lynn, Phoenix Marie, and many top pornstars are featured in IR scenes. It has not hurt their careers. In fact they all continue to get a lot of work.

I have great respect for TS producers for filming African Americans. Blacks are commonly found on all TS sites. I have not seen any TS site that has excluded African Americans. Nor have I seen any TS producer or director say that African Americans not do sell very well. Personally I may not agree with how blacks are presented in some TS porn movies. However, at least they are represented on major sites, and not just ethic based sites.

Has there ever been an African American TS woman nominated for AVN's TS of the Year Award? I don't know if one has ever nominated.

In conclusion, mainstream porn doesn't offer much support towards TS woman their porn business. The same can be said about African Americans. If mainstream can have their way then they would kick blacks out of Cali and Vegas.

Do you think that one of the other reasons that mainstream porn is not supporting TS porn because of the large amount of ethic porn especially of African Americans?

[amberskyi]

Oh god.....

[amberskyi]

Isn't porn supposed to just be fun for the consumer lol?

[TSPornFan]

Isn't porn supposed to just be fun for the consumer lol?

It should be be fun for consumers. However, it is offensive when mainstream producers don't want people of your color in porn.

[WendyWilliams]

Franklin yes Jade, Vo D'Balm, Natassia are a few I know were but I would have to think longer.

As far as IR goes, its a STRONG seller for me. I have a huge African American Male following who appreciates the effort I took several years ago with my IR site etc

For the rest of your stuff its up to the producer what they feel fits best for their site and what they want portrayed.

[Rusty Eldora]

Oh god.....

Thank you Amber

We need a new Federal Department of Statistics, that counts every photo taken of every model, determines which of 69 different ethnic boxes the model should be in, compares that to the latest census data for the exact makup of the target audience and exact big fines if the depicted model ethnicity is over represented.

The goal is to have perfect diversity, the result is the end of production of all commercial photography and media in this country.

OK, I'm white. I'm turned on by blacks visually, but somehow in real life I have encountered chemistry issues with the ladies I have been with. I'm turned on by Asians, particularly Chinese (over 1/4 of the women I have "experienced") and have been profoundly disappointed how few Chinese women are in Porn. Heck, there are a Billion Chinese and on YouPorn you get a measly 20 hits. However, I have not written my Congressman about it.

How about we celebrate the fine qualities of everyone, cherish the differences, and embrace the uniqueness of each of us, regardless of background.

[TSPornFan]

Just look at this shit.

http://thisisjameson.com/home/01/really-racist-pornstars-talking-shot-about-black-people-18/

[TSCURIOUS]

Here we go again!
Another racist thread..

[nysprod]

Here's a comment on the video:

"lol i like how she’s talking about black people when she’s a dirty slut on the floor with her legs open!! And the guy looks like a dirty mexican playing with his self while a dude films him!! smh!! Two dirtbags talking smack!! haha two dirty porn slobs"


Exactly...why waste time worrying about what these lowlifes are saying...

[giovanni_hotel]

FRANKLIN, you're expecting too much from porn. It's not supposed to change the world.
Just get that nut and move on.

[TSPornFan]

FRANKLIN, you're expecting too much from porn. It's not supposed to change the world.
Just get that nut and move on.

I'm not expecting porn to change individual's opinions. However, I do expect every racial group to be treated equally in any type of business.

[buckjohnson]

Very interesting. keep the faith and the heat on them franklin.

[loveboof]

Here we go again!
Another racist thread..

Really? In what way is this thread racist?

I'm genuinely interested to hear how you will articulate your opinion on this...

[GroobySteven]

I'm not expecting porn to change individual's opinions. However, I do expect every racial group to be treated equally in any type of business.


They are treat equally. What you fail to recognise is that most porn buyers are white men and "most" people prefer to watch someone of their own ethnicity as the identifier in porn, which is why you personally keep asking for more "non-thug, black males," in TS porn.
What you also seem unable to grasp is the concept that porn is a big business and it's ran by business people who sit down, analyze the market research, the statistics of what sells and what doesn't and invest their money into markets which is going to make them higher returns. While one company may do inter-racial as their niche (in the same way we have companies who specialize in other niches) another may understand that their market is not those who want to watch black men in scenes so cater their content otherwise.

You have often in-correctly complained about the lack of black men in TS porn. I actively try and get black men for black TS scenes for our black sites, as those scenes have performed better from on the black sites than inter-racial ones. The black male performer with non-black TS performers on Shemale Yum haven't performed so well, so I'd tend not to do as many of them.

This isn't an equal opportunity employment. Performers are hired on three criteria only. Their ability to perform, their reputation or "star name" and most importantly, their looks. If they don't look right for the part, then they will not sell.

Finally, it's not "your people's month" next month. It's February, it belongs to everybody, the same as every other month of the year belongs to your people with equal weight to any other month. Creating special times, or "months" for a specific race is pointless, offensive to that race and doesn't help the progress of equality whatsoever and by promoting it, you are complicit in it.

[buckjohnson]

I agree mostly with the above posting until the end. I have no problems with heritage or culture recognition; rather it is measured in a period of time or some other kind of recognition. America has and had a white inferiority problem for generations, and it shows up in their depiction of history. I have my history book from the 70's in which the only mention of black folks was in regards to slavery, Harriet Tubman, Mr. GW Carver and Mr. Booker Washington, MLK, and civil rights movement. No Frederick Douglas, No W.E.B. DUBOIS, NO Malcolm X, No Sojourner Truth, No Brown v Board of Education, Plessey v Ferguson, no emancipation proclamation, no James Brown (but article on Elvis and Frank), no Billie Holliday, Miles, Louis Armstrong, nothing about Tulsa riots, lynchings, the many inventions done by black folks, no mentioned of Rita Dove, Imamu Amiri Baraka, Maya Angelou, Nikki Giovanni, Langston Hughes

writings...you get the point. So nothing wrong with special recognition of cultural accomplishments. Again you concentrate on franklin's words without using the prism of content and meaning. I am a black person, and do not find it "offensive" for a special time. Again, a person who has not taken that journey should not be critical of someone who has taken that journey.

[amberskyi]

I totally agree, nothing wrong with taking a month to celebrate and try to rebuild a "culture" or "identity" that was pretty much destroyed during the 400 years of the trans-Atlantic slave trade and then the extra hundred years of discrimination.
I will agree tho that it shouldn't be just one month but i guess having one month of intense black history makes it fit easier in school curriculums.

[GroobySteven]

I agree mostly with the above posting until the end. I have no problems with heritage or culture recognition; rather it is measured in a period of time or some other kind of recognition. America has and had a white inferiority problem for generations, and it shows up in their depiction of history. I have my history book from the 70's in which the only mention of black folks was in regards to slavery, Harriet Tubman, Mr. GW Carver and Mr. Booker Washington, MLK, and civil rights movement. No Frederick Douglas, No W.E.B. DUBOIS, NO Malcolm X, No Sojourner Truth, No Brown v Board of Education, Plessey v Ferguson, no emancipation proclamation, no James Brown (but article on Elvis and Frank), no Billie Holliday, Miles, Louis Armstrong, nothing about Tulsa riots, lynchings, the many inventions done by black folks, no mentioned of Rita Dove, Imamu Amiri Baraka, Maya Angelou, Nikki Giovanni, Langston Hughes

writings...you get the point. So nothing wrong with special recognition of cultural accomplishments. Again you concentrate on franklin's words without using the prism of content and meaning. I am a black person, and do not find it "offensive" for a special time. Again, a person who has not taken that journey should not be critical of someone who has taken that journey.

I know a lot of black people who do have a problem with it Buck - and while I do appreciate exactly what you are saying, my issue is, why does it have to be confined to one month - surely by doing this, it's marginalizing black people's history and contribution to the USA?

I'm all for festivals, for museums, for events supporting and educating what has been missed out or (ahem) "whitewashed", I just think putting it down in one month, kind of says, it's only worth a 12th of everything.

Anyway, not to derail the topic!

[ed_jaxon]

Actually several moths are designated to bring attention to specific issues.

October -- Breast cancer awareness month

September/October -- Hispanic heritage month

Its good to take some time out to remember the achievements and issues that are pertinent to other segments of the community.

The two events special to this forum -- the Tranny awards and National day of Remembrance are great examples of this.

Good points by Buck btw.

[HarajukuDollxoxo]

What you also seem unable to grasp is the concept that porn is a big business and it's ran by business people who sit down, analyze the market research, the statistics of what sells and what doesn't and invest their money into markets which is going to make them higher returns.

This. It's all about the money, what yields the highest returns is what they will invest in. :geek:

[GroobyKrissy]

I was completely unaware that there was an equivalent for Asians.

Asian Pacific American Heritage Month - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Pacific_American_Heritage_Month)

I guess originally we only got a week. Progress my friends, progress.

[GroobySteven]

That's ok Krissy.

I see American's only got a small bit. "American History Tea Time" - between 3.45 and 4.30 every second Tues.

[GroobyKrissy]

That's ok Krissy.

I see American's only got a small bit. "American History Tea Time" - between 3.45 and 4.30 every second Tues.

I am starting a campaign for Korean American Appreciation Week because I don't want to be lumped together with all those other Asians. Everyone knows Koreans are the smartest.

[GroobySteven]

I am starting a campaign for Korean American Appreciation Week because I don't want to be lumped together with all those other Asians. Everyone knows Koreans are the smartest.

Aren't you only half-Korean?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Oh no a racist thread..runs...

[ed_jaxon]

Oh no a racist thread..runs...

Kelly Runs.....after posting in it! Hilarious.:whistle:

[GroobyKrissy]

Aren't you only half-Korean?

Son, I will slap you.

[bassman2546]

The only race issue here is someone who is going out of his way to look for race issues and post them. I know there are still racist issues in this world, but I'm quite tired of those who look for reasons to blow out of proportion as to why they aren't being treated fairly. Many of the race issues today are caused by the races themselves. Get over it and move on doing something more productive. I'm Polish and I don't hold any grudges toward Germans after Hitler went in and nuked 300,000 Polish people. Let go of the past.

[bassman2546]

They are treat equally. What you fail to recognise is that most porn buyers are white men and "most" people prefer to watch someone of their own ethnicity as the identifier in porn, which is why you personally keep asking for more "non-thug, black males," in TS porn.
What you also seem unable to grasp is the concept that porn is a big business and it's ran by business people who sit down, analyze the market research, the statistics of what sells and what doesn't and invest their money into markets which is going to make them higher returns. While one company may do inter-racial as their niche (in the same way we have companies who specialize in other niches) another may understand that their market is not those who want to watch black men in scenes so cater their content otherwise.

You have often in-correctly complained about the lack of black men in TS porn. I actively try and get black men for black TS scenes for our black sites, as those scenes have performed better from on the black sites than inter-racial ones. The black male performer with non-black TS performers on Shemale Yum haven't performed so well, so I'd tend not to do as many of them.

This isn't an equal opportunity employment. Performers are hired on three criteria only. Their ability to perform, their reputation or "star name" and most importantly, their looks. If they don't look right for the part, then they will not sell.

Finally, it's not "your people's month" next month. It's February, it belongs to everybody, the same as every other month of the year belongs to your people with equal weight to any other month. Creating special times, or "months" for a specific race is pointless, offensive to that race and doesn't help the progress of equality whatsoever and by promoting it, you are complicit in it.

This is absolutely bang on! I couldn't have said it better. If I may add one more item for criteria for hiring? The ability to generate a profit. If that ends up being a race other than African American, then it's simply business - not personal or racial.

[Genetic]

Firstly FRANKLIN for a guy who was lecturing Seanchai on statistics in the other thread you've managed to prove him right when he said you're clueless. You want more black people in porn because people want to buy it. Sorry but once again, your opinion isn't shared by everyone else on the planet.

Black people make up 12.6% of the US population so why would you expect there to be massive sales for a niche market? White people don't generally want to see black guys in porn. It's not a racist thing, it's an identification thing: black people identify with a black guy, white people identify with a white guy. I don't watch porn with black people in it, it's not that I'm a racist, it's just cause I don't connect with it.

Sorry but while I totally believe in equality for all people (I don't just look out for my race like you seem to) I don't see how you can look at statistics and expect 12% of the population to be represented in 50% of everything. This is the problem the world has now, every minority thinks they should have equal representation, but that's not possible.



Really? In what way is this thread racist?

I'm genuinely interested to hear how you will articulate your opinion on this...

I'll field this as no one has answered. When your opening post mentions the words "my people" then a race card is being played and the rest of the OP is about black people not being treated equally in porn. So it's essentially a thinly veiled "whitey is holding us down" thread.

Funny how there's never threads by people of any other race demanding equality innit?

[amberskyi]

Maybe black people keep playing the black card because we haven't healed from the 500 years of enslavement and discrimination at the hands of Europeans and Americans.of which the effects from are still felt today.

[amberskyi]

Don't forget that many of us still have relatives who lived thru the Jim crow era.its not that easy to just get over such a legacy

[GroobyKrissy]

And here I shall exit from this thread and not return. *runs*

[NRT]

wasnt there someone who used to post lectures by a white US academic on 'white privalege' and how negative stereotyping etc only applies to the 'other' or non whites etc? Didnt what he said help in such debates like we are having? its not the first time it has come up

[GroobySteven]

Ok - any further discussions on "race/racism" other than in reponse to the OP to be taken to the Political Forum PLEASE.

[joecoastie]

I've been trying to gain employment, but nothing is happening! What should I do? I'm not lacking in any areas, but I am black but I look like Dominican.

[GroobySteven]

I've been trying to gain employment, but nothing is happening! What should I do? I'm not lacking in any areas, but I am black but I look like Dominican.

Amber lives close to you - see if she needs her ironing done or something?

[joecoastie]

I've been trying to contact her since I saw the ad she posted for male talent. Haven't heard back from her.

[TSCURIOUS]

If FRANKLIN were in Porn Production - he would do exactly what put the most coins in his pocket without one care of race.

[TSPornFan]

They are treat equally. What you fail to recognise is that most porn buyers are white men and "most" people prefer to watch someone of their own ethnicity as the identifier in porn, which is why you personally keep asking for more "non-thug, black males," in TS porn.
What you also seem unable to grasp is the concept that porn is a big business and it's ran by business people who sit down, analyze the market research, the statistics of what sells and what doesn't and invest their money into markets which is going to make them higher returns. While one company may do inter-racial as their niche (in the same way we have companies who specialize in other niches) another may understand that their market is not those who want to watch black men in scenes so cater their content otherwise.

You have often in-correctly complained about the lack of black men in TS porn. I actively try and get black men for black TS scenes for our black sites, as those scenes have performed better from on the black sites than inter-racial ones. The black male performer with non-black TS performers on Shemale Yum haven't performed so well, so I'd tend not to do as many of them.

This isn't an equal opportunity employment. Performers are hired on three criteria only. Their ability to perform, their reputation or "star name" and most importantly, their looks. If they don't look right for the part, then they will not sell.

Finally, it's not "your people's month" next month. It's February, it belongs to everybody, the same as every other month of the year belongs to your people with equal weight to any other month. Creating special times, or "months" for a specific race is pointless, offensive to that race and doesn't help the progress of equality whatsoever and by promoting it, you are complicit in it.

False, African Americans are not treated equally in porn. If they were treated equally then producers would not lie to girls and tell them to not film scenes with black men or their career would be damage. There are far too many popular stars who do IR porn and are as just as popular as they were before doing IR porn.

I have not complained about the amount of black men used in TS porn. That would be very silly of me. In the OP I said there is plenty of blacks in TS porn. At least read the OP before making such false statements.

However, I have complained about how many black men in general are portrayed in porn.

White men are the majority buyers in porn. The reason why a lot of black men do not buy porn is because of the lack of black women. Personally I'm not sexually interested in black women. Most black men are sexually interested in black women. There are a lot of people unwilling to look at other races. They may not want to always see a white woman or are simply disinterested.

You can't tell another race what to find offensive. You're not from that race. However, we would not need such holidays or special times if society would recongize good people regardless of their race, class, and sex.


Firstly FRANKLIN for a guy who was lecturing Seanchai on statistics in the other thread you've managed to prove him right when he said you're clueless. You want more black people in porn because people want to buy it. Sorry but once again, your opinion isn't shared by everyone else on the planet.


You're very ignorant. I never said everyone wanted to buy porn featuring black people. I said that many porn producers refuse film black people because of their race, and only based on that fact. Agents and producers lie to women that their brand would be damaged if they filmed a scene with a black man. Many popular women in porn have done IR scenes and they are still popular. To lie to woman that black men will hurt their careers is racist. You can't deny that.

[joecoastie]

If you want to put more black men in movies then please tell me what you want me to do! I'm not a thug nor do I look like one. I'm clean cut very athletic and muscular. Served in the military. Love TS!

[amberskyi]

Amber lives close to you - see if she needs her ironing done or something?

amber is sadly working class (that is until i marry up), we do our own cleaning lol

[joecoastie]

Glad to know because I don't clean I like to fix things!

[littletwink]

Hello, everyone! Mainstream aka straight porn looks down at Transsexual porn and its performers. Straight porn is very hypocritical and in other cases downright wrong on many subjects. This is my new monthly thread series. Once a month I will make a topic about how straight porn is very hypocritical towards transsexuals.

Today we will be talking about racism. I know my people's month is next month. I want to get this off of my chest because a straight porn producer just pissed me off. I will give his name or site at the moment. His site did not film an African American in over three years until recently. His has not filmed an African American male in over 3 years. He informed me that interracial content is no longer shot on his site. Translation-black men are excluded from this site.

We hear it all of the time that African Americans do not sell in porn. Is this true? No.

If you're interested in IR porn or African American then you will have a hard time finding IR porn outside of the IR based sites. Mainstream companies try their hardest to avoid filming African Americans. Producers continue to claim that viewers don't want to watch any African Americans.

It has been reported that agents strongly pressure woman to not have sex with black men on and off camera. They tell the women that it will hurt their careers. This isn't true. Many popular pornstars like Jayden Jaymes, Lisa Ann, Jenna Presley, Sasha Grey, Krissy Lynn, Phoenix Marie, and many top pornstars are featured in IR scenes. It has not hurt their careers. In fact they all continue to get a lot of work.

I have great respect for TS producers for filming African Americans. Blacks are commonly found on all TS sites. I have not seen any TS site that has excluded African Americans. Nor have I seen any TS producer or director say that African Americans not do sell very well. Personally I may not agree with how blacks are presented in some TS porn movies. However, at least they are represented on major sites, and not just ethic based sites.

Has there ever been an African American TS woman nominated for AVN's TS of the Year Award? I don't know if one has ever nominated.

In conclusion, mainstream porn doesn't offer much support towards TS woman their porn business. The same can be said about African Americans. If mainstream can have their way then they would kick blacks out of Cali and Vegas.

Do you think that one of the other reasons that mainstream porn is not supporting TS porn because of the large amount of ethic porn especially of African Americans?

Blah blah blah blah

A week ago you said that white American women were underrepresented in porn:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=73232

So, which is it?

[GroobySteven]

If you want to put more black men in movies then please tell me what you want me to do! I'm not a thug nor do I look like one. I'm clean cut very athletic and muscular. Served in the military. Love TS!

Send photos, age, stats and location to admin@grooby.com

[TSPornFan]

Blah blah blah blah

A week ago you said that white American women were underrepresented in porn:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=73232

So, which is it?

I've never said white American women were underrepresnted in porn?

I said WHITE American TS women were underrepresnted in porn outside of sites like Grooby and Shemale Strokers.

Your reading comprehension skills are poor.

[kukm4]

Here is a link covering the same subject.

Interview: Lexington Steel >>> Topic: Racism in Porn
http://goo.gl/aAuQy

[littletwink]

I've never said white American women were underrepresnted in porn?

I said WHITE American TS women were underrepresnted in porn outside of sites like Grooby and Shemale Strokers.

Your reading comprehension skills are poor.

Ok, last week you said that the porn industry was racist toward white Americans. This week you're saying it's racist toward African-Americans.

Again, which is it?

[amberskyi]

Glad to know because I don't clean I like to fix things!

Well shit,i need a couple of things fixed lol...how are you with clogged pipes lol

[joecoastie]

Clogged pipes are my specialty!

[TSPornFan]

Ok, last week you said that the porn industry was racist toward white Americans. This week you're saying it's racist toward African-Americans.

Again, which is it?

Don't play stupid. I said White TS American women. I did not say white Americans as a whole. I was clearly talking ONLY about Transsexuals.

[Faith_CD]

my 2 cents:
i watch many different genres of porn (straight, gay, lesbian, TS, ect ect) and while I have zero issues with black males in general, it's very hard not to find the seeming majority of them in porn who don't annoy the fuck out of me. i hate the thug acting guys the most. nothing worse then seeing a teaser of a good looking black guy with a hot girl and having him say almost nothing. the gay videos are by far the worst though. so many times they say NOTHING except "shit ni**a" over and over again. super lame.

that being said i LOVE black women and the ghetto girls in porn annoy me as well.
i guess for me it's less about the skin color and far more about the attitude in the scene and it seems that skin color breeds more of that attitude