Are White American TS women underrepresented in TS porn?

[TSPornFan]

I think Devil Films, Grooby, and maybe Shemale Strokers have done a fine job with diversity. Blacks, Whites, Asians, Latins, etc are often featured on their sites. I am fans of many TS women from many different racial backgrounds. I am a big believer in diversity. Outside of those companies I think White TS women are very underrepresented in TS porn. I know this may sound crazy. Let's look at the numbers!

Please take note that I am not including Candians, Bristh, or French when counting the content. I am focusing on White American TS women.

TS Seduction is a great example. The site releases one scene a week. This year the site will have only 10 scenes featuring white TS women. That's 10 out of 52 scenes. Morgan Bailey is in the majority of these scenes. Last year it was 12 or 11 out of 52 scenes. It took TS Seduction members over two years of complaining to make Tomcat bring back Jesse. Now members have new problems with Tomcat because Tomcat refuses to book Johanna Jet for TS Seduction and only wants Johanna Jet on TS Pussy Hunters.

SMC has done a great job with the T-Girl Network. However, outside of the T-Girl Network is another story. The majority of ShemaleClub.com's content is foreign Latin content. This year 2 out of 31 hardcore scenes feature a White American TS woman.

Now this is interesting.......................

Reality Junkies have a TS series, American Tranny. 2 out of the 14 scenes in the entire series feature a white TS woman. Furthermore Jesse and Morgan Bailey's scenes are in the first DVD release. So the series have not featured a white American in the last two release.
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Devil's Films started the year strong with 12 straight scenes featuring White women. The reminder of the year 8 out of 24 scenes have featured White American TS women. Overall that's 20 out of 44 scenes. That's much better than the companies I have listed above.

There are a lot of TS sites completely focused on Canadians, African Americans, Latins, and Asians. However, there aren't any TS sites focused on White Americans. A lot of the popular White American TS women's content is featured on their personal sites.

Do you think there should be a themed site focused on White American women? Do you think the numbers/data is screwed by other factors?

[mac.B]

Maybe they are. But most of these Ts porn performers/ sex workers do so because the come from underprivileged backgrounds and or not accepted by their families b/c of their ts status. These girls are paying for their transformations and supporting themselves off of this. Black and Latino people are much less accepting of this culture and will rarely support their own if they decide to include themselves. The ts performer of the year will probably be Jane Marie who is Mexican and does not come from money. However, the youngest transsexual ever is Kim Petras, who is white and whos parents look upper middle class. She even has a singing career. So yes there are few white t-girls in porn but how many white t-girls need to sell themselves to survive compared to black, brown or asian?

[WendyWilliams]

Mac darling I don't know where you got your information from but I dont think economic status or acceptance has anything to do with most getting into porn. I have a great family who are accepting etc. I am sure there are those that fit your description but I dont think its the majority or reasoning for this post.

Also most of my friends in the Industry have great family and do it for many reasons ranging for MANY reasons.

"selling themselves" is harsh

[Wendy Summers]

!Blah blah blah

Do you think there should be a themed site focused on White American women? Do you think the numbers/data is screwed by other factors?


Who in TS porn do you think are White American Women who perform as well as the folks who are getting featured? I'm not sure how many truly viable candidates are out there that want to shoot for these companies.

[christianxxx]

Wendy, you always have to decipher what Franklin is actually talking about in his rambling posts. If you read between the lines, you can clearly see that his whole point is this -

he wants to see Joanna Jet on TS Seduction and he can't so he is pissed off.

Period - end of story. Everything else is just window dressing and red herrings.

[Wendy Summers]

Wendy, you always have to decipher what Franklin is actually talking about in his rambling posts. If you read between the lines, you can clearly see that his whole point is this -

he wants to see Joanna Jet on TS Seduction and he can't so he is pissed off.

Period - end of story. Everything else is just window dressing and red herrings.


I knew THAT but she's not a White American TS - I was gonna have fun bringing him to admitting that. Thanks for ruining my fun!

[mac.B]

Mac darling I don't know where you got your information from but I dont think economic status or acceptance has anything to do with most getting into porn. I have a great family who are accepting etc. I am sure there are those that fit your description but I dont think its the majority or reasoning for this post.

Also most of my friends in the Industry have great family and do it for many reasons ranging for MANY reasons.

"selling themselves" is harsh

Wasnt meant to be harsh. You sort of proved my point though as I'm sure YOU do have a family that accepts your alternative lifestyle but thats not the story for many of the girls I know. But a lot of these porn girls have ads up, wheres yours? You do porn b/c you want to. I doubt most of the girls in the industry perform b/c it was top of their list of ideal professions...

[TempestTS]

Wasnt meant to be harsh. You sort of proved my point though as I'm sure YOU do have a family that accepts your alternative lifestyle but thats not the story for many of the girls I know. But a lot of these porn girls have ads up, wheres yours? You do porn b/c you want to. I doubt most of the girls in the industry perform b/c it was top of their list of ideal professions...

I cant speak for anyone else but I got into porn because its what I wanted to do - the money is nice when it comes but I have a good education and have both a musical and professional career outside of porn - If I stopped modeling tomorrow my life wouldnt change that much --- well I'd probably have to find a new excuse to spend more time naked but Im sure I could come up with something...

[TSPornFan]

Wendy, you always have to decipher what Franklin is actually talking about in his rambling posts. If you read between the lines, you can clearly see that his whole point is this -

he wants to see Joanna Jet on TS Seduction and he can't so he is pissed off.

Period - end of story. Everything else is just window dressing and red herrings.

This thread isn't about me being pissed about Tomcat's refusal.

You're looking at this problem as a performer and director. White American TS women are not commonly found outside of Grooby, Shemale Strokers, and Devil's Films. I've been a member at many sites and I know this for a fact.

You cannot deny any of my stats.

Look at ShemaleClub.com. This year there were only two White American Women shoot in hardcore scenes, Hazel Truker and Tiffany Starr. 2 out of 31 scenes is very bad. In 2011 Shemaleclub had 45 hardcore scenes and only 11 featured White American TS women. That's only 24.4%. That's still pretty low. http://www.shemale-club.com/tour3a/hardcore.php

As mention in the OP. Reality Junkies have only shot 2 out of 14 scenes featuring an white American TS. That's only 14.2%. Reality Junkies do not have much to judge by. However, if their next TS DVD does not have any White American TS then there may be a problem.

Do I need to bring up the large amount of TS sites that feature foreign TS women. The TS porn market is over saturated with foreign TS porn from Latin American countries. I am sure they make up more than 70% of all TS sites and DVDs.


I knew THAT but she's not a White American TS - I was gonna have fun bringing him to admitting that. Thanks for ruining my fun!

I completely forgot about that. My mistake! I was thinking about the complaint topic that I made at TS Seduction for not having a White TS woman on their booking schedule(they show this publicly on their site) for over 2 months and it will be 3 months next month. However, the rest of the information I provided is correct.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I laughed at Christian's comment...

that's all I have to add :)

[NoahNomad]

This thread isn't about me being pissed about Tomcat's refusal.

You're looking at this problem as a performer and director. White American TS women are not commonly found outside of Grooby, Shemale Strokers, and Devil's Films. I've been a member at many sites and I know this for a fact.

You cannot deny any of my stats.

Look at ShemaleClub.com. This year there were only two White American Women shoot in hardcore scenes, Hazel Truker and Tiffany Starr. 2 out of 31 scenes is very bad. In 2011 Shemaleclub had 45 hardcore scenes and only 11 featured White American TS women. That's only 24.4%. That's still pretty low. http://www.shemale-club.com/tour3a/hardcore.php

As mention in the OP. Reality Junkies have only shot 2 out of 14 scenes featuring an white American TS. That's only 14.2%. Reality Junkies do not have much to judge by. However, if their next TS DVD does not have any White American TS then there may be a problem.

Do I need to bring up the large amount of TS sites that feature foreign TS women. The TS porn market is over saturated with foreign TS porn from Latin American countries. I am sure they make up more than 70% of all TS sites and DVDs.




you sound like the GOP lol. Whites are the minority in the world. you say 25% of the content shot features white women and you call that low?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I will also say the site used to mostly shoot white girls or girls that appear white...

At least when I shot for them

Lets see Jesse, Danielle, Wendy, Gia, myself, and other white looking models..

Yes I know Danielle/Gia are latina but many would assume otherwise...

Then they'd have their updates of Yasmine here and there and of a black model or two...

So now it's the other way around....more girls of color :)

[TSPornFan]

you sound like the GOP lol. Whites are the minority in the world. you say 25% of the content shot features white women and you call that low?

Currently whites are the majority in America(that will change in the next 10 to 15 years). This is American made porn featuring Americans. I would expect White Americans to have more representation at these companies and sites.

Like I said, I watch English speaking TS porn featuring women from many different races. The recent lack of White American TS women being booked is very disappointing.

[NoahNomad]

Currently whites are the majority in America(that will change in the next 10 to 15 years). This is American made porn featuring Americans. I would expect White Americans to have more representation at these companies and sites.

Like I said, I watch English speaking TS porn featuring women from many different races. The recent lack of White American TS women being booked is very disappointing.

How is shemalecub American made porn? Most of there subscribers are probably from a country other then America. And the owner isnt American and lives abroad.

[TSPornFan]

How is shemalecub American made porn? Most of there subscribers are probably from a country other then America. And the owner isnt American and lives abroad.

Shemaleclub has studios in America. Some of its porn is American made. Yes, the company shoots content in many Latin American countries. From my understanding the owner comes to America and still lives abroad.

An owner doesn't need to be American for a product to be American made. Many foreigners have made successful businesses in America.

[mac.B]

I cant speak for anyone else but I got into porn because its what I wanted to do - the money is nice when it comes but I have a good education and have both a musical and professional career outside of porn - If I stopped modeling tomorrow my life wouldnt change that much --- well I'd probably have to find a new excuse to spend more time naked but Im sure I could come up with something...


Youre white, which is my point...

[TempestTS]

Youre white, which is my point...

Actually only part white - dont let my pale skin fool you - Im actually Native American - my mom still lives on a reservation - her current husband is Sioux although my bloodline is Cherokee

Perhaps I misunderstand then you seemed to make a point on economic status and acceptance - I dont come from money - I learned to earn my own, I get no support from my family in anything I do - they are conservative country folk from north dakota - Im not even allowed to visit my grandfather

Any other assumptions I can dispel ?

[littletwink]

I like Franklin's analysis! ;)

But echoing what some of you have already said or suggested, American porn is usually produced for a worldwide audience. The people who run these companies are smart and want their businesses to succeed, so they find ways to feature the models or types of models that their customers want. If there were more demand for more white American TS models relative to non-white on particular sites, then the site owners would shoot them.

If someone wanted to do a site dedicated to or almost exclusively for white American TS models I'm sure there would be an audience for it.

[mac.B]

Actually only part white - dont let my pale skin fool you - Im actually Native American - my mom still lives on a reservation - her current husband is Sioux although my bloodline is Cherokee

Perhaps I misunderstand then you seemed to make a point on economic status and acceptance - I dont come from money - I learned to earn my own, I get no support from my family in anything I do - they are conservative country folk from north dakota - Im not even allowed to visit my grandfather

Any other assumptions I can dispel ?

Lol. You havent dispelled a gd thing. Thanks for ur input tho...

[mac.B]

Lol. You havent dispelled a gd thing. Thanks for ur input tho...


I wasnt saying that all white transsexuals come from money. I was making a generalization. Whites are more accepting to alternative lifestyles and so white transsexuals have more opportunities than black, latina and asians in the third world. dnt even know why ur trying to argue that. If u believe that 99.9% of the t-girls doing porn and escorting do so b/c they want to god bless, but thats just not true. A lot of girls I know want to be make-up artist, hairdressers, singers. I even know a few with heath care certificates and degrees who cant get jobs and get little to no support from their families. They resort to webcam, escorting and porn just to eat. Just to eat. I even know a few girls who were on shemale strokers, black tgirls and shemale yum. I stick by what i said...

[TempestTS]

"All Generalizations are False - Including this one " - Mark Twain



I wasnt saying that all white transsexuals come from money. I was making a generalization. Whites are more accepting to alternative lifestyles and so white transsexuals have more opportunities than black, latina and asians in the third world. dnt even know why ur trying to argue that. If u believe that 99.9% of the t-girls doing porn and escorting do so b/c they want to god bless, but thats just not true. A lot of girls I know want to be make-up artist, hairdressers, singers. I even know a few with heath care certificates and degrees who cant get jobs and get little to no support from their families. They resort to webcam, escorting and porn just to eat. Just to eat. I even know a few girls who were on shemale strokers, black tgirls and shemale yum. I stick by what i said...

[mac.B]

"Mark Twain's not Jesus"- Me

[TempestTS]

"Mark Twain's not Jesus"- Me

How do you know for sure?

[JenniferParisHusband]

Oh look, Franklin being racist. Again. Surprise surprise.

At what point do the Mods stop allowing the constant race baiting and trolling to go on?

[MdR Dave]

It's so hard to take this seriously.

[mac.B]

How do you know for sure?
Wasnt 100% so I asked God and he confirmed it:)

[TempestTS]

Wasnt 100% so I asked God and he confirmed it:)

Which god? All the old ones are dead...

[loveboof]

If a model is hot, she's hot - doesn't really matter where she comes from...

I don't think I really understand the problem. If you prefer white girls, then why discount the Canadian, British, & French girls (etc)? Do they look particularly different to American white girls?

Just out of interest, what do those statistics look like if you include the non-American white girls too?

[TSPornFan]

Oh look, Franklin being racist. Again. Surprise surprise.

At what point do the Mods stop allowing the constant race baiting and trolling to go on?

How am I being racist? I feel that one particular group of people have been underrepresented in TS porn for about a couple of years outside of sites like Grooby and Strokers who actually have a strong diversity in their content.

I like TS women from all races. How is it racist to want to see White American TS women?

I also brought up true stats to backup my claims. Outside of Grooby and Strokers there is a major lack of White Americans being filmed.


If a model is hot, she's hot - doesn't really matter where she comes from...

I don't think I really understand the problem. If you prefer white girls, then why discount the Canadian, British, & French girls (etc)? Do they look particularly different to American white girls?

Just out of interest, what do those statistics look like if you include the non-American white girls too?

I like non-American White TS women as well. However, I a strong preference for women like Kimber James, Kelly Shore, and Sarina Valentina.

Good Question! What if I included non-American white girls? The stats for these sites do not improve very much. TS Seduction and Reality Junkies stats would not change. Neither company has ever filmed a non-American White TS.

Shemaleclub.com's stats would sightly change in 2012 from 2 to 4 hardcore scenes. That's still a very small number of scenes out of 31.

Devil's Films has only shoot one non-American White TS woman in the past year or two. Danika Dreamz is the only non-American White TS woman they have filmed in the past years.

[loveboof]

Oh look, Franklin being racist. Again. Surprise surprise.


How am I being racist?

I don't think people really know what racism is anymore. They just throw the term around when they want something (in this case, the desistance of this discussion).


What if I included non-American white girls? The stats for these sites do not improve very much. TS Seduction and Reality Junkies stats would not change. Neither company has ever filmed a non-American White TS.

Shemaleclub.com's stats would sightly change in 2012 from 2 to 4 hardcore scenes. That's still a very small number of scenes out of 31.

Devil's Films has only shoot one non-American White TS woman in the past year or two. Danika Dreamz is the only non-American White TS woman they have filmed in the past years.
Interesting.

[dabaldone]

Maybe they are. But most of these Ts porn performers/ sex workers do so because the come from underprivileged backgrounds and or not accepted by their families b/c of their ts status. These girls are paying for their transformations and supporting themselves off of this. Black and Latino people are much less accepting of this culture and will rarely support their own if they decide to include themselves. The ts performer of the year will probably be Jane Marie who is Mexican and does not come from money. However, the youngest transsexual ever is Kim Petras, who is white and whos parents look upper middle class. She even has a singing career. So yes there are few white t-girls in porn but how many white t-girls need to sell themselves to survive compared to black, brown or asian?

Well said!

[Odelay]

Maybe they are. But most of these Ts porn performers/ sex workers do so because the come from underprivileged backgrounds and or not accepted by their families b/c of their ts status. These girls are paying for their transformations and supporting themselves off of this. Black and Latino people are much less accepting of this culture and will rarely support their own if they decide to include themselves. The ts performer of the year will probably be Jane Marie who is Mexican and does not come from money. However, the youngest transsexual ever is Kim Petras, who is white and whos parents look upper middle class. She even has a singing career. So yes there are few white t-girls in porn but how many white t-girls need to sell themselves to survive compared to black, brown or asian?
Well said!

Seriously? Well said? It's such a huge generalization (which mac b admits, btw), to be meaningless. I know mac b has been around the block and knows a tgirl or two, but there is no way that he knows the broader trans community to support this generalization in any way that resembles some type of truth. And, in fact, no one knows the community in such depth. Even a scientific study would stop short of the conclusions in this statement.

I consider both of you members in good standing here, but you're letting your presumed knowledge of transsexuals run away from you a little bit here.

[dj4monie]

Oh look, Franklin being racist. Again. Surprise surprise.

At what point do the Mods stop allowing the constant race baiting and trolling to go on?


Ah just let it go, you know you've hit a new low when you're complaining about the lack of people that look like you in LBGT porn.

This is what its to be a White male in society when you are neither rich or handsome (we value these traits the most as a society) and you generate post just like this.

When White People scream about not be represented or rail against affirmative action, call me skeptical.

Or call the Waaabulance

[LittleGuy]

People get into porn because they can't get a real job.


Flame away

[dabaldone]

Let me be a bit clearer in my point. It was well said. Trans-women of color have a larger percentage of unemployment. They have a higher chance of being homeless. Black trans-women for instance have a much greater chance of being ostracized by their families. There are almost zero support for trans-women of color in most urban areas. These are facts. Brother Mac B is spot on. Let me add that there is a much higher level of violence in their communties also. All of these are simple truths. White trans-women do have "white male privlidge" as well

[amberskyi]

Maybe they are. But most of these Ts porn performers/ sex workers do so because the come from underprivileged backgrounds and or not accepted by their families b/c of their ts status. These girls are paying for their transformations and supporting themselves off of this. Black and Latino people are much less accepting of this culture and will rarely support their own if they decide to include themselves. The ts performer of the year will probably be Jane Marie who is Mexican and does not come from money. However, the youngest transsexual ever is Kim Petras, who is white and whos parents look upper middle class. She even has a singing career. So yes there are few white t-girls in porn but how many white t-girls need to sell themselves to survive compared to black, brown or asian?

my very dear friend and roommate is a grooby photographer.because of her i probably meet 3 or so new trans girls a week from a variety of different racial,social and economic backgrounds.you'd be surprised to know that the the girls who have regular jobs and careers out number the girls who escort.my friend is constantly having to schedule shoots around the models jobs or school schedules.
you being one man,especially one who isnt apart of the greater trans community is going to have limited exposure to the girls.how many trans woman do you actually know like what 10? 15? 20? thats not really enough to make any accurate assumptions or generalizations

[amberskyi]

in response to the ops topic i actually feel like black trans woman are the most under represented.sure we have our own site (blacktgirls.com) but trying to break out of that nitch is kinda difficult.

[nysprod]

my very dear friend and roommate is a grooby photographer. you'd be surprised to know that the the girls who have regular jobs and careers out number the girls who escort

Really? Girls with regular jobs and careers do porn shoots?

[amberskyi]

Really? Girls with regular jobs and careers do porn shoots?

yep..i think its a validation thing or something.maybe they are just that sexually liberated.some woman actually enjoy their sexuality and want to express it i guess

[nysprod]

yep..i think its a validation thing or something.maybe they are just that sexually liberated.some woman actually enjoy their sexuality and want to express it i guess

Like who?

[amberskyi]

Like who?

so im guessing you havent heard of sex-positive feminism

[iagodelgado]

From someone who happens to be white, what can I say about black tgirls?

BTG have an unfair advantage.

Pearlecscent? Luniescent? In plain English skin that shines in the dark. UNFAIR!

[nysprod]

so im guessing you havent heard of sex-positive feminism

A bit, but I'm willing to hear more...

[bluesoul]

From someone who happens to be white, what can I say about black tgirls?

BTG have an unfair advantage.

Pearlecscent? Luniescent? In plain English skin that shines in the dark. UNFAIR!

i honestly don't follow. are you saying black women's skin glows in the dark?

[RadiusDark]

Personally, I have worked with maybe 15 different TS models (and over a 100 GG's) and I hardly work with anything other than white TS's and got a few more on deck.

I'm looking for some non-white ts's out here in the Bay Area now. I've found a couple that I should be shooting sometime soon.

Here are my latest, for shemaleyum.com (http://join.shemaleyum.com/track/MjY5NS4yLjUuNS4xLjcwMDAyODUuMC4wLjA) of course.

[RadiusDark]

With TS Seduction, you must remember that a lot of the girls do not want to top guys. In fact, I can't really think of a girl that I've worked with that's overly interested in topping guys (thank goodness).

[Willie Escalade]

That girl with the red hair is hotness...

[christianxxx]

don't forget if you want to see a sexy white american TS - check out Kitty Doll - HERE (http://www.christiandoesthemall.com/tour/index.php?id=35#update)

http://www.christiandoesthemall.com/tour/content/34_KittyDoll/2.jpg

[buckjohnson]

This had me cracking up. Sometimes it worth it to go thru lots of threads. You made it worth the last hour I have been on this site. TY


Wendy, you always have to decipher what Franklin is actually talking about in his rambling posts. If you read between the lines, you can clearly see that his whole point is this -

he wants to see Joanna Jet on TS Seduction and he can't so he is pissed off.

Period - end of story. Everything else is just window dressing and red herrings.

[giovanni_hotel]

Is FRANKLIN White?? Not a big deal....!
But with his name, I guess subconsciously I though he was a Black guy.
Every time I see one of his posts, I think of the Black kid on Charlie Brown.

http://weknowwearecute.undebug.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Peanuts-Franklin.jpg

[MdR Dave]

Is FRANKLIN White?? Not a big deal....!
But with his name, I guess subconsciously I though he was a Black guy.
Every time I see one of his posts, I think of the Black kid on Charlie Brown.

http://weknowwearecute.undebug.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Peanuts-Franklin.jpg

He spent so much time complaining about what he called "ghetto thugs" early on- I also assumed he was black.

Pictured him more like Urkel, though, for some reason.

[loveboof]

Umm (not that it matters in any way), but I'm pretty sure Franklin said he was black just the other day!

[Rusty Eldora]

Give me a break please, the last thing we need is some government zealot having us check a little box indicating that we are one of 69 different flavors, then complaining to the producers and suing them for over or under representing some group that surely deserves recognition.

"What you haven't had any 300 lb Eskimo - Thai Catholic Shemales this year - we need to shut down production. This is far worse than not using a condom."

I'm a melting pot person, I do love to know one's ethnicity but it is to better understand them rather than to classify them or grade them. Models should be what the producers and their customers like, this year latin may be hot, asian ladyboys have been hot in previous years, next year who knows.

[Rusty Eldora]

On the economic reasons people do sex work. It is probably given the options that they have at the time and their own preferences, sex work is their best choice.

I hope that those that go into sex work do on their own free will, not coerced or forced, and that they like what they do. It is not always the case, and I really avoid any provider that I think is "managed", "pimped", or "trafficed". We all should do the same.

There are people from all kinds of professions that do a stint in sex work, or use the services of sex workers. We have Governors, Senators, pro golfers, pro athletes, Olympic runners, doctors, lawyers, nurses, real estate agents, actors and actresses, even some unemployed people. The reasons are as many as there are people.