Belgium man discovers his Indonesian wife used to be man after 19 yrs of marriage

[jdlo56]

kinda odd set of news:



The daily Het Nieuwsblad on Saturday carried the remarkable story of a man from Antwerp who after 19 years of marriage discovered his wife used to be a man. 'I feel I've been assaulted' the duped husband told the paper in an extensive interview. 'Jan' married 'Monica' in 1993, but it was only recently that he discovered that his wife had originally been a man and had undergone a sex change.
'Jan', who had been married twice before, didn't suspect a thing for many years. His partner, who hailed from Indonesia, used the contraceptive pill and claimed she was still menstruating. 'Jan' told Het Nieuwsblad that 'Monica' claimed she was still menstruating and used sanitary towels.
For many years they had a normal family life, though 'Jan' told the paper that he now understands why she always used a lubricant when they had sex.
The woman's past only came to light after rumours surfaced. 'Jan' also noticed that his wife was seeking out young men. One night he confronted her and she confessed that she had been born a man.
The duped husband told Het Nieuwsblad that his world simply came apart. The police were called to the house that very night when a brawl broke out. Today 'Jan' and 'Monica' still live in the same house, but don't exchange a word. Legal proceedings to get 'Monica' out of the house failed. 'Jan' is now seeking an annulment of the marriage.http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/news/121125_antwerp

heres a google translated version of the dutch webpage (more details)


http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nieuwsblad.be%2Farticle%2Fdetai l.aspx%3Farticleid%3DDMF20121123_00379526%26fb_ref %3Dfb-activity


kinda brings to light the ongoing debate of when best to reveal your past to your spouse- if ever- and what the possible consequences may be.....

[lifeisfiction]

Interesting, I wonder if he would have known if she never cheated on him.

[doctor screw]

Deport dat hoe!!!!!!

[robertlouis]

I lived in Belgium for a few years. I guess most of you have never met a Belgian woman....

It's a very strange country. Seriously.

[danthepoetman]

The poor guy should get over it. When they marry, she was 29 and he was 45; can’t help thinking he must have been a happy dude. And at 45, you pass pretty fast the “ideal” time to have kids –not that it’s absurd to have some after. What’s stricking me here, is that he’s more shocked that she used to be a man (long, long ago, obviously), than that she was unfaithful. That’s ridiculous. Yet even there, she’s 48 and he’s 64; he might not be much anymore in bed, and maybe she tried her best not to hurt his feeling trying to satisfy some urges. We don’t and can’t know. But nature is nature and needs are needs…
And Robert Louis, you’re right; you know what the French say about the Belgians, don’t you? They’re the subject of farce; to them, the Belgians epitomizes stupidity –wrongfully, of course, in my opinion, but strange well, maybe, yes…

[robertlouis]

Just ask yourself why Belgium was the home of surrealism and it all fits, like a haddock in a drainpipe.

[danthepoetman]

Yeap!
A few of early dadaist tricks...

[Rusty Eldora]

she must have had a really great surgeon or he didn't like to lick.

Maybe there was a dim bulb in the bedroom. He wondered why she couldn't iron.

Stranger than fiction

[natina]

tula

husbands gad the marriage annulled

and there was a guy who sued when he found out his wife was born a man.
He then claimed she got him to marry her under false pretenses

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c0.0.380.380/p403x403/486249_543705955658749_2091834550_n.jpg http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3pViGSpHG81DQBfeOCYx1Xka4Y6JVm wOYqJgrM0cpZ13vzavN4q9ojxAfFA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KlnU2ZVNpU


http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/127785-Belgian-Man-Discovers-His-Indonesian-Wife-Used-To-Be-A-Man-After-19-Years-of-Marriage!?p=3743961

Belgian Man Discovers His Indonesian Wife Used To Be A Man . . . After 19 Years of Marriage!

Husband discovers his wife used to be a man after 19 years of marriage

The daily Het Nieuwsblad on Saturday carried the remarkable story of a man from Antwerp who after 19 years of marriage discovered his wife used to be a man. 'I feel I've been assaulted' the duped husband told the paper in an extensive interview.

http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac143/MichaelJennings/8823f7da-359a-11e2-b99c-65d81ff4f49e_original_zpsbd2ce8da.jpg

http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac143/MichaelJennings/ab39a7d0-357f-11e2-b99c-65d81ff4f49e_originaljpgh380_zps28136bcd.jpg

'Jan' married 'Monica' in 1993, but it was only recently that he discovered that his wife had originally been a man and had undergone a sex change.

'Jan', who had been married twice before, didn't suspect a thing for many years. His partner, who hailed from Indonesia, used the contraceptive pill and claimed she was still menstruating. 'Jan' told Het Nieuwsblad that 'Monica' claimed she was still menstruating and used sanitary towels.

For many years they had a normal family life, though 'Jan' told the paper that he now understands why she always used a lubricant when they had sex.

The woman's past only came to light after rumours surfaced. 'Jan' also noticed that his wife was seeking out young men. One night he confronted her and she confessed that she had been born a man.

The duped husband told Het Nieuwsblad that his world simply came apart. The police were called to the house that very night when a brawl broke out. Today 'Jan' and 'Monica' still live in the same house, but don't exchange a word. Legal proceedings to get 'Monica' out of the house failed. 'Jan' is now seeking an annulment of the marriage.

http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/news/121125_antwerp (http://husband%20discovers%20his%20wife%20used%20to%20be% 20a%20man%20after%2019%20years%20of%20marriage/)
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article (http://echtgenoot%20ontdekt%20na%2019%20jaar%20huwelijk%2 0dat%20zijn%20vrouw%20vroeger%20een%20man%20was/)

[natina]

Blowfly (https://www.youtube.com/artist/blowfly?feature=watch_video_title) - Blowfly's Rapp (Restricted From Airplay X-Rated)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KlnU2ZVNpU

[natina]

gender fraud= criminal offense in some places

[Fancy fancy]

I heard a rumour he is actually Dutch but never told her

[danthepoetman]

tula
husbands gad the marriage annulled
and there was a guy who sued when he found out his wife was born a man. He then claimed she got him to marry her under false pretenses
Tula Cossey, the model? Is that right, Natina?


gender fraud= criminal offense in some places
"Gender fraud"? "False pretense"? It's really silly, especially when the woman has had srs. Because in the end, there is no difference anymore. Srs is simply a corrective intervention.
For the rest, there is no difference whatsoever. You don't sue g-women because they're infertile, for instance, or because they turn out to be in need of some hormone therapy. The fact that they were born genetically males is by then totally abstract and have nothing to do with reality anymore.
This shows that there is still a lot to be changed...

Nice post again, Natina!

[natina]

Caroline Cossey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Cossey)

Caroline "Tula" Cossey is an English model. She is one of the world's most well known transsexual women, having appeared in a James Bond film and been the first to pose for Playboy. Since being outed by British tabloid News of the World, Cossey has fought for her right to legally marry and to be recognised by the law as a woman.
Tula was cast as an extra in the 1981 James Bond film For Your Eyes Only. Shortly after the film’s release, the tabloid News of the World came out with a front page headline that read "James Bond Girl Was a Boy." By her own accounts, Tula was so upset she contemplated suicide. However, she continued her modelling career. Tula responded by releasing I Am a Woman,first autobiography

Tula became engaged to Count Glauco Lasinio, an Italian advertising executive, who was the first man to date her knowing of her past. He encouraged her to petition for changes in the British law concerning transsexuals. The engagement ended, but her legal efforts continued for seven years, eventually reaching the European Court of Human Rights.

In 1985, Tula appeared extensively in the video for The Power Station's "Some Like It Hot". After breaking up with Lasinio, Tula met Elias Fattal, a Jewish businessman, who was unaware of her history until he proposed marriage on St Valentine's Day 1988. When she told him, rather than rejecting her, he merely asked if she would convert to Judaism. She agreed.[1] They were married on May 1989, just weeks after the European Court of Human Rights decided legally to recognize Tula as a woman. They returned from their honeymoon to find that the News of the World had published a story on their wedding. Fattal's family was angry and persuaded him to have the marriage annulled.

the European Court overturned their decision on a British government appeal. (Later, the Gender Recognition Act 2004 was passed, giving transgender people in the United Kingdom means to change their legal sex.)

Tula released My Story, her second autobiography. In it she gave details of her transition and her unsuccessful battle with the European Commission. She was featured in the September 1991 issue of Playboy, in a pictorial, "The Transformation Of Tula", as an acknowledged transsexual.

http://www.extra.ec/media/ediciones//20110503/especial/03052011_120653.jpg

[natina]

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/man-in-shock-e1354084621134.jpg


An elderly Belgian man has discovered that his 48-year old wife is a surgically-altered male.
After 19 years of marriage, “I feel I’ve been assaulted,” he told a Belgian newspaper, Het Nieuwsblad.
“I thought she was an attractive woman, all woman… [and] even during sex, I never noticed anything,” said the 64 year-old man.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/28/belgian-man-shocked-to-learn-wife-of-19-years-is-a-man/#ixzz2DYtwbveX

[GrimFusion]

For the rest, there is no difference whatsoever. You don't sue g-women because they're infertile, for instance, or because they turn out to be in need of some hormone therapy. The fact that they were born genetically males is by then totally abstract and have nothing to do with reality anymore.
This shows that there is still a lot to be changed...

I disagree, but only partially. I don't feel like she "tricked" him, but it's obvious he had a complex about it and likely wouldn't have married her if he had known. That's shallow and selfish on his behalf, but if she never gave him the chance to have his own opinion, that's no different than lying by omission and marriages should be about mutual trust. I'm not saying she had some duty to tell him early on in the relationship, but it probably would have been a bright idea to say something before the marriage.

[natina]

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So a friend told me that he had heard that Monica actually operated man. I could not believe it. Also my son heard similar rumors. I was once again confronted with all kinds of amorous messages via Skype on the computer arrived, I put her against the wall and said: Now I know the truth. Are you a man? She then announced that she was born as a boy and that she had to operate. She was now a woman, and so she did not need to tell me about her past as a man. My world collapsed. It's that evening came to blows. The police have come. "

Naive moron

January discovered that many people in his circle of friends all these years Monica knew who it was. "I have friends who asked why she had never told me. Why should everyone know but me, the naive fool? They have no idea how it feels to be something to do with it. This is the ultimate betrayal. I feel assaulted, hit in my honor. The idea that for years I have shared the bed with her, I find disgusting. Now I can have a little talk about it, but in the beginning I did not really stay with my shame. I'm going to a psychiatrist to visit my emotions under control. "

Jan has started the procedure to annul the marriage. "A marriage is annulled, has never existed," says his lawyer Liliane verjauw. "That person has deliberately deceived him for years, even scammed. Presumably she has also forged documents used here to get a residence permit. The children, are devastated. "

Unforgivable

John and Monica still live under one roof, the way to the depths of my soul offended. Sir, she said. But she is still a woman I had a lot of sense to me to turn on the other men present to Questions: How would you feel if you suddenly tell them that your wife has been really a man? You can not imagine what it does to you. I am now 64 years old. I wonder how those youngsters with whom they dive into bed, going to react when they find out that she is actually a man has been.

John wants only one thing. That Monica disappears from his life. "I want nothing more to do with her. What they did to me and my family is unforgivable. "

[GrimFusion]

An elderly Belgian man has discovered that his 48-year old wife is a surgically-altered male.
After 19 years of marriage, “I feel I’ve been assaulted,” he told a Belgian newspaper, Het Nieuwsblad.
“I thought she was an attractive woman, all woman… [and] even during sex, I never noticed anything,” said the 64 year-old man.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/28/belgian-man-shocked-to-learn-wife-of-19-years-is-a-man/#ixzz2DYtwbveX

That's an awesome picture, Natina. Thanks for the inspiration!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/grimfusion/laugh.gif

[robertlouis]

I heard a rumour he is actually Dutch but never told her

So they were using a Dutch cap, right? :wiggle:

[danthepoetman]

I disagree, but only partially. I don't feel like she "tricked" him, but it's obvious he had a complex about it and likely wouldn't have married her if he had known. That's shallow and selfish on his behalf, but if she never gave him the chance to have his own opinion, that's no different than lying by omission and marriages should be about mutual trust. I'm not saying she had some duty to tell him early on in the relationship, but it probably would have been a bright idea to say something before the marriage.
Yes. I feel the same way: she had a moral obligation to tell him; a relationship is indeed a matter of full trust. But for him to act so outraged now, after being married to her for 19 years, after feeling for 19 years that she was indeed a woman, after obviously considering, since he didn’t divorced before, that she was a good enough wife, to now act as if this was all a travesty, in every sense of the word, is absurd, or a huge overreaction. My hunch is, he just wants to divorce now, and uses that as an excuse.

Natina, thanks for the Tula Cossey article! Very compelling story. What a courageous woman!


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