MystiquEvolution????

[sdman]

What is wrong with this person? She calls herself a lesbain tranny and from all the posts I've seen her post on here it sounds as if she hates men? If she calls herself a lesbian tranny then who is she sleeping with because most GG women that I know are totally repulsed by trannies and definitely would never date one! Even she has admitted that over 95% of the reactions that she gets from women is negative so what is wrong with this idiot? Why go through a transition if you like women in the first place? I think this person is very confused in life and is bored. Most women like men real men and most trannies like men so what's with a tranny who does something that she knows she's going to be rejected by the women? A lesbian tranny now that some weird shit.

[GroobySteven]

Well that's like asking why would a lesbian be a woman but want to sleep with woman? Or a man who identifies with being heterosexual man but sleeps with a woman with a penis?
Her identity with being a female has nothing to do with her sexuality. Two completely different things.
seanchai

[sdman]

Well that's like asking why would a lesbian be a woman but want to sleep with woman?
Her identity with being a female has nothing to do with her sexuality. Two completely different things.
seanchai

I think it's totally different seanchai. Calling yourself a lesbian tranny that likes women is really strange in my opinion.

[GroobySteven]

It's no difference.

Sexuality and your identity are completely different. I'm sure someone can refer you to a number of books on the subject if you want to read futher on it.

How " strange" is it that you and I are on a site for "men who look like women" or "women who have penises" ?
:shock:
seanchai

[SnowJ]

Not again.

[BeardedOne]

Calling yourself a lesbian tranny that likes women is really strange in my opinion.

Strange, but true. :)

I have actually known as friends TS women that got into long term lesbian relationships with 3Gs (Gay GGs) after their transition. I also know some dykes (I am not using the word in a derogatory intent) who have absolutely no interest in men whatsoever, but who think TSs are to die for. Of the latter, it tends to be 50/50 as to whether their interest is towards pre or post-op.

One told me that she thought that any 'man' that would go through what a TS does to transition is most certainly worth knowing and, as a bonus, the end result is female. :)

[ANIYAH]

What is wrong with this person? She calls herself a lesbain tranny and from all the posts I've seen her post on here it sounds as if she hates men? If she calls herself a lesbian tranny then who is she sleeping with because most GG women that I know are totally repulsed by trannies and definitely would never date one! Even she has admitted that over 95% of the reactions that she gets from women is negative so what is wrong with this idiot? Why go through a transition if you like women in the first place? I think this person is very confused in life and is bored. Most women like men real men and most trannies like men so what's with a tranny who does something that she knows she's going to be rejected by the women? A lesbian tranny now that some weird shit.


Well i would have to disagree with this comment tottaly ....There is a subculture out there of Transsexuals who date women exsclusively ...So to me its nothing weird ...I no many Transsexual girls who date female to male transsexuals also ...
The girls that i know like to date masculine women ...And these trannies are usually tops ...when u think about it fucking a masuculine looking girl is like ..Fucking a man ..in sense
Many transsexuals also appreciate the affection ..Women or Females to males transsexuals are usually far more affectionate ..Than men
And in some cases it all spins back to Girls constantly being hurt by men and used as sex objects ..so forth and so on

So my dear i think you should perhaps do a little more research into the subject ..Because its not any weirder..Than men who like females with penises :wink:

[sdman]

What is wrong with this person? She calls herself a lesbain tranny and from all the posts I've seen her post on here it sounds as if she hates men? If she calls herself a lesbian tranny then who is she sleeping with because most GG women that I know are totally repulsed by trannies and definitely would never date one! Even she has admitted that over 95% of the reactions that she gets from women is negative so what is wrong with this idiot? Why go through a transition if you like women in the first place? I think this person is very confused in life and is bored. Most women like men real men and most trannies like men so what's with a tranny who does something that she knows she's going to be rejected by the women? A lesbian tranny now that some weird shit.

I have a cissexual (non-transsexual, hate the term GG) girl friend who's a fuck buddy (haven't seen her in a couple months but might this week, she always contacts me). Met her because she saw my profile on a website that doesn't mention I'm TS, we got to talking, I told her, and she was still interested in me. You go through transition because it's how you feel about your body not about who you like sexually. I also know 2 TS around my age who are in a LTR and classify themselves as lesbians. From her posts and my brief chattings with her, MystiquEvolution is a good person, why you feel the need to attack her I do not know. More power to her.

I've never heard the term cissexual before? So you have a GG who's a fuck buddy? I think this is some weird stuff. Most trannies that i've meet are gay so it's a big strech of the imagination to think that they are with women. By the way I think you're a sexy woman too.

[sdman]

Calling yourself a lesbian tranny that likes women is really strange in my opinion.

Strange, but true. :)

I have actually known as friends TS women that got into long term lesbian relationships with 3Gs (Gay GGs) after their transition. I also know some dykes (I am not using the word in a derogatory intent) who have absolutely no interest in men whatsoever, but who think TSs are to die for. Of the latter, it tends to be 50/50 as to whether their interest is towards pre or post-op.

One told me that she thought that any 'man' that would go through what a TS does to transition is most certainly worth knowing and, as a bonus, the end result is female. :)

I guess that is one of the fact is stranger than fiction things. I know most of the women that personally know said they are repulsed by trannies and if they were to go gay they would get a GG.

[sdman]

What is wrong with this person? She calls herself a lesbain tranny and from all the posts I've seen her post on here it sounds as if she hates men? If she calls herself a lesbian tranny then who is she sleeping with because most GG women that I know are totally repulsed by trannies and definitely would never date one! Even she has admitted that over 95% of the reactions that she gets from women is negative so what is wrong with this idiot? Why go through a transition if you like women in the first place? I think this person is very confused in life and is bored. Most women like men real men and most trannies like men so what's with a tranny who does something that she knows she's going to be rejected by the women? A lesbian tranny now that some weird shit.


Well i would have to disagree with this comment tottaly ....There is a subculture out there of Transsexuals who date women exsclusively ...So to me its nothing weird ...I no many Transsexual girls who date female to male transsexuals also ...
The girls that i know like to date masculine women ...And these trannies are usually tops ...when u think about it fucking a masuculine looking girl is like ..Fucking a man ..in sense
Many transsexuals also appreciate the affection ..Women or Females to males transsexuals are usually far more affectionate ..Than men
And in some cases it all spins back to Girls constantly being hurt by men and used as sex objects ..so forth and so on

So my dear i think you should perhaps do a little more research into the subject ..Because its not any weirder..Than men who like females with penises :wink:

So where do they find these women at then? When you think about it most women like masculine men so it would be really odd that a woman would date a trannie. Even lesbians don't really want anything to do with a real cock so i'm just having a hard time absorbing this.

Why do you see very few women who are willing to have sex with with trannies in porn? I've never seen any of the mainstream women have sex with a tranny but they'll eat up some pussy though.

[sdman]

is MystiquEvolution black or white?

[BeardedOne]

Holy shit!! You just reminded me of someone who I haven't seen in a long time :) She considered herself a tranny-chaser, I miss her :(

Sorry to hear that, Angela (Not that I reminded you, but that you miss her). Anyone I know? :) I used to be quite the dyke magnet and it was not uncommon for me to have a small group of women/wimmin hanging out with me to meet other women/wimmin.

Hmm...I wonder if I've still 'got it'. :lol:

[GroobySteven]

Why do you see very few women who are willing to have sex with with trannies in porn? I've never seen any of the mainstream women have sex with a tranny but they'll eat up some pussy though.

Are you living in a box? Check out Joey Silvera tapes - plenty of mainstream actresses have performed with TS's in them.
seanchai

[sdman]

Why do you see very few women who are willing to have sex with with trannies in porn? I've never seen any of the mainstream women have sex with a tranny but they'll eat up some pussy though.

Are you living in a box? Check out Joey Silvera tapes - plenty of mainstream actresses have performed with TS's in them.
seanchai

I watch porn all the time and i've never seen it. Joey Silvera isn't exactly main stream as he seems to deal in most tranny porn. I'll check it out and see but I haven't ever seen any mainstream women getting it on with trannys.

[BeardedOne]

I've never heard the term cissexual before?

That's a new one on me, also. I'll royt it doon. :)

I've always had a difficult time wrapping my head around the constantly changing terrain of gender references (Or attempts to remove gender from the language). Hell, I never knew there was such a thing as an 'intersexed' person until I dated one for a while. :D

[GroobySteven]

I watch porn all the time and i've never seen it. Joey Silvera isn't exactly main stream as he seems to deal in most tranny porn. I'll check it out and see but I haven't ever seen any mainstream women getting it on with trannys.

Obviously not enough porn. Silvera has many other avenues apart from his Transsexual stuff and one of the biggest and most sucessful mainstream porn directors.

You seem to have an issue that ME's like of women doesn't fit your ideal of the "TS porn model" that fits your agenda and sexual identity. You're arguing with everyone on it including people who obviously know better than you (the girls himself) so why can't you accept the fact that it's no weirder than you liking tgirls?
seanchai

[sdman]

I've never heard the term cissexual before?

That's a new one on me, also. I'll royt it doon. :)

I've always had a difficult time wrapping my head around the constantly changing terrain of gender references (Or attempts to remove gender from the language). Hell, I never knew there was such a thing as an 'intersexed' person until I dated one for a while. :D

Yes maybe she will give us the diction of what it really means because i'm still not sure exactly. :lol: intersexed person that's another new one that I will have to add to my dictionary.

[sdman]

I watch porn all the time and i've never seen it. Joey Silvera isn't exactly main stream as he seems to deal in most tranny porn. I'll check it out and see but I haven't ever seen any mainstream women getting it on with trannys.

Obviously not enough porn. Silvera has many other avenues apart from his Transsexual stuff and one of the biggest and most sucessful mainstream porn directors.

You seem to have an issue that ME's like of women doesn't fit your ideal of the "TS porn model" that fits your agenda and sexual identity. You're arguing with everyone on it including people who obviously know better than you (the girls himself) so why can't you accept the fact that it's no weirder than you liking tgirls?
seanchai

Well this site is primarly for men who like trannies. If there are trannies who like GG and GG who like trannies in here then it must be like finding a needle in a haystack? I think you know that seanchai and everyone else that post here know that too. I bet there very few sites if any that cater to GG and trannies looking to hook up if any.

[NickTheQuick]

Look at me, I'm a big douchebag. What dumb shit will I say next?

Stop typing and go away, please.

[BeardedOne]

intersexed person that's another new one that I will have to add to my dictionary.

I definitely recommend the research. The boi (His spelling) I know was born female in form, but with a male genetic structure. His bone and muscle structure is much like that of a teen male (He is about 26 now) while his 'plumbing' is female (Though incomplete).

While you are puzzling out Mystique's existence, you may be interested to know that my intersexed friend, who identifies as male, was last known in a gay LTR with a F2M TS. :)

I hope that doesn't make your head explode. :wink:

For more info on intersexed people, check out the Intersex Society of North America at www.isna.org (That's not a porn site, BTW).

[GroobySteven]

I watch porn all the time and i've never seen it. Joey Silvera isn't exactly main stream as he seems to deal in most tranny porn. I'll check it out and see but I haven't ever seen any mainstream women getting it on with trannys.

Obviously not enough porn. Silvera has many other avenues apart from his Transsexual stuff and one of the biggest and most sucessful mainstream porn directors.

You seem to have an issue that ME's like of women doesn't fit your ideal of the "TS porn model" that fits your agenda and sexual identity. You're arguing with everyone on it including people who obviously know better than you (the girls himself) so why can't you accept the fact that it's no weirder than you liking tgirls?
seanchai

Well this site is primarly for men who like trannies. If there are trannies who like GG and GG who like trannies in here then it must be like finding a needle in a haystack? I think you know that seanchai and everyone else that post here know that too. I bet there very few sites if any that cater to GG and trannies looking to hook up if any.


I didn't see NYCe putting a list on the door on who was allowed in? I wish he had an idiot ban though.
seanchai

[sdman]

Look at me, I'm a big douchebag. What dumb shit will I say next?

Stop typing and go away, please.

NickThePrick, you're the biggest tranny chaser on this forum so screw you looser!

[GroobySteven]

Why are we even wasting time with this arse - I remembered this is the guy who claims he "knows porn" but didn't know Peter North had done some gay porn (and cried when he was proved wrong).
More pearls of wisdom below from SDMan - surely the dumbest, least educated, most bigoted, funniest and saddest character we have on the forum at the moment?
seanchai




wendy williams has a very short cock and the one from shemale yum looks deformed.


I don't like post ops. I wonder why they do it?


Most of these are ugly but if you like big cocks they may be your thing?


yes I perfer the slimmer girls. Fat women are kind of disgusting to me. And most fat girls have little cocks. I still haven't seen a hung fat tranny so what's the purpose of calling this thread busty and hung when all the trannies have small cocks?


aside from the fact that they're fat, no. I think we can all agree that being fat will never be popular no matter what gender you are GG or TS. They will always be on the out stream of the main society.

About Buck and Allanah scene;


Please tell me that you didnt let that thing fuck you? That would be so disgusting!



That's bullshit Peter North doesn't fuck fags.



I've only seen peter north fucking fine GG and i've never seen or heard of fucking or getting fucked by a fag. I don't beleive it for one second. I'm a huge peter north fan and you guys are only trying to degrade him!


Damn all those poor shemales might as well be asians because they all are so small.

[tommytuu]

My question for Mystiquevolution would be basically why do you come here? Granted its a public forum and people can come and go as they please. I have no problem with that. But when you HATE MEN SO FUCKING MUCH, and men make up about 98% of the forum, and I really don't see a whole lot of gg's hanging out here, whats your point? Hate is a pretty powerful emotion. Its an emotion that this world could do without. I was told if you wanna make the world a better place, stop the hate. I've got no problem with a person's sexual preference. You like what you like. You'll never see me chastising someone for what they like or don't like. But when you hate and hate and hate so fucking much that suicide is a better option as she said, I just can't get with that. And then the whole bashing of black men. LoL. I'm an very well educated and talented black man who finds it sad when I hear her or anyone bash black men. Every race has its trash. But she basically walks around with an immense amount of hate for people she's never met. Pretty sad. Just an observation.

[Samantha]

I'm new here, so this will also be my introduction.

I'm a transsexual lesbian myself, right now I'm in a LTR with another mtf lesbian. Both of us are pre-op, but done with transition except for SRS and breast implants.

Many, if not most non-trans people are disgusted by transsexual women. This goes for both men and women. On average, I would say it's pretty close, but that less women than men are disgusted by transsexuals.

Earlier in transition, but when I was still living as a woman, I told people about my transition status. The two lesbian/bisexual women I knew did not lose any interest in me, though I was not interested in them. These days, I do not tell anyone in the real world that I'm trans - and I think that being trans is the last thing people suspect of the girl next door. FFS helps a ton, too.

As far as why someone would want to transition and still want to date women. You're attracted to who you're attracted to and you feel like the gender you are inside. A straight man or lesbian woman would probably get some pleasure out of having sex with a man, but over time, it would ultimately leave them unhappy and unsatisfied. Ditto goes for a TS woman trying to live as a guy - she can probably do it to some extent, but it would be a very unfufilling existence.

[BeardedOne]

I think I missed something. :?

Did Mystique say she hated men? :?:

I know there are people that think/say I hate women because I have something against schizophrenic, game-playing psycho bitches-from-hell, but that doesn't mean I hate =all= women.

Just the ones that seem to be attracted to me. :roll:


Edit:

Just saw this reply from Mystique:


Do I hate men? That seems to be a major thing to some people. The answer is...No, I don't hate men.

*Whew* I feel better now. :)

[tommytuu]

My question for Mystiquevolution would be basically why do you come here? Granted its a public forum and people can come and go as they please. I have no problem with that. But when you HATE MEN SO FUCKING MUCH, and men make up about 98% of the forum, and I really don't see a whole lot of gg's hanging out here, whats your point? Hate is a pretty powerful emotion. Its an emotion that this world could do without. I was told if you wanna make the world a better place, stop the hate. I've got no problem with a person's sexual preference. You like what you like. You'll never see me chastising someone for what they like or don't like. But when you hate and hate and hate so fucking much that suicide is a better option as she said, I just can't get with that. And then the whole bashing of black men. LoL. I'm an very well educated and talented black man who finds it sad when I hear her or anyone bash black men. Every race has its trash. But she basically walks around with an immense amount of hate for people she's never met. Pretty sad. Just an observation.

Your observation is very honest, direct and fair. That, I can definitely respect. The wonderful thing about life is, we get older. Hopefully, with age comes maturity, patient, understanding, etc. I'm not an angel by any stretch of the imagination. I will say that I am working on letting a lot of my stress and anger go, in my attempt to be a better person. If anything I have said in the past has upset or offended you on anyone else, I apologize. However, to anyone that my statements have applied to, I still mean what I've said. My experiences are still my experiences. I try not to judge on such a general scale but again, I'm only human. I project what I'm given.

I do very much appreciate you bringing all of this to my attention. Again, I apologize doll.

Much Respect!Thank you for understanding where I'm coming from and giving an intelligent response.

[Quinn]

Look at me, I'm a big douchebag. What dumb shit will I say next?

Stop typing and go away, please.

LMAO.

-Quinn

[Adam_Thompson]

You guys forgot, Mystique doesn't hate men. She just hates black men :wink:

[sdman]

My question for Mystiquevolution would be basically why do you come here? Granted its a public forum and people can come and go as they please. I have no problem with that. But when you HATE MEN SO FUCKING MUCH, and men make up about 98% of the forum, and I really don't see a whole lot of gg's hanging out here, whats your point? Hate is a pretty powerful emotion. Its an emotion that this world could do without. I was told if you wanna make the world a better place, stop the hate. I've got no problem with a person's sexual preference. You like what you like. You'll never see me chastising someone for what they like or don't like. But when you hate and hate and hate so fucking much that suicide is a better option as she said, I just can't get with that. And then the whole bashing of black men. LoL. I'm an very well educated and talented black man who finds it sad when I hear her or anyone bash black men. Every race has its trash. But she basically walks around with an immense amount of hate for people she's never met. Pretty sad. Just an observation.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. That was a great post! I'm not a black man but she does continually bash black men but I get the feeling that she is a black person herself? You are absolutely right it makes no sense to come to a place where about 98 or 99% of the people here are men only to compain day after day how much you hate men and black men more?

[sdman]

What is wrong with this person? She calls herself a lesbain tranny and from all the posts I've seen her post on here it sounds as if she hates men? If she calls herself a lesbian tranny then who is she sleeping with because most GG women that I know are totally repulsed by trannies and definitely would never date one! Even she has admitted that over 95% of the reactions that she gets from women is negative so what is wrong with this idiot? Why go through a transition if you like women in the first place? I think this person is very confused in life and is bored. Most women like men real men and most trannies like men so what's with a tranny who does something that she knows she's going to be rejected by the women? A lesbian tranny now that some weird shit.

Do I hate men? That seems to be a major thing to some people. The answer is...No, I don't hate men. I do hate immature, ignorant, narrow-minded idiots who parade around thinking they are men though. Unfortunately, there seems to be more of the latter that I have come in contact with. A real man, although he may have never heard of something or understand it, can still respect another person.

So you have never heard of transsexuals being interested in women and other transsexuals? Well, allow me to introduce myself since you obviously want to know so badly (otherwise you wouldn't have created this topic). My name is Raven, but everyone here either knows me as Mystique or "That man hating bitch." Yes, I'm a transsexual woman who identifies as a lesbian. I'm actually in a relationship with another transgendered woman right now (She's bi, if that's of any importance). I'm young, intelligent and I have no problem voicing myself (even if it's not a popular decision). People that I don't like will most definitely know it. I don't feel the need to hide ANYTHING! Equally, people that don't like me, let me know...as you have. That's quite all right. I'm not here for your approval or anyone else's. What I am here for (when I am here) is entertainment, conversation...you know that whole forum thing. Lately, I haven't had much time for the site because between holding down a 9-5 and maintaining a relationship is very consuming. Still, I come back to say Hi and catch up. Btw...I'm neither black nor white...I'm mixed.

Well, enough for the Q&A and intro...on to the education. Although it may not be in your face, there is quite a large subculture of transsexuals who only date women or other TSs. The women "you know," may not have an interest in transsexuals...but you don't know every woman. Just like I don't know every man to say I hate all men. The life of a transsexual is hard in itself. Throw in being a lesbian and you are a double outcast by most. Still, despite all of that, I am still here. As already stated, sexual identity and sexual orientation are completely different things. The vibe I'm getting from you is, you feel transsexuals only should transition for men. Sadly, there are quite a few that do transition for men. Real women transition for themselves! I can't possibly stress that enough. This life has caused many people their lives, just for the sake of being different and misunderstood. Still, we all press on. The commitment and dedication we put into ourselves is rivaled to none. Instead of being appreciated and respected, we as a whole are outcasted. No matter how pretty, "passable," etc...we are all under the social microscope of negativity at some point.

Okay that went a little deeper than I originally planned, but hopefully you get the message. You think I'm confused and I know there are quite a few people that will agree with you. Just remember, I hold no punches and come straight out with who I am and what I am. You are busy asking questions. I'm neither confused or bored in this life. I'm proof of what transition should truly be about...SELF. Educate yourself!

Thanks everyone for the positive responses and support on this topic. It is very much appreciated.

Much Respect!

Well thanks for the honest reply MystiquEvolution I guess I have a little bit better understanding of the situation now. I am too somewhat of an old fashioned guy myself and beleive in the traditional male and female relationships granted TS aren't typical women but it's all the same to me and this is something new to me. Seen plenty of lesbian GG women but a tranny lesbian is something that I thought you were kidding about for a while. The only thing is if you're going to post here try to tone it done some because beleive me you are the minority here not the men.

[sdman]

You guys forgot, Mystique doesn't hate men. She just hates black men :wink:

Thanks for that clarification. :)

[drock]

You guys forgot, Mystique doesn't hate men. She just hates black men :wink:

LMBAO.. and really after seeing her pic.. Not bad looking at all

[SnowJ]

I like her. She's just like me, just transforming into a woman.

Mystique is a man that likes women and transsexuals.

For some reason I think we lose sight that transsexuals are men. There is no way of getting around that. So she's not a lesbian, but she is bi, like everyone else here.

She likes girls and transsexuals with big butts. I'm pretty sure she loves the models on UVP.

She comes off as a very intelligent person. From the photo, I believe she's either black or hispanic.

She's cool in my book.

[twowaybro]

I bet there very few sites if any that cater to GG and trannies looking to hook up if any.

Maybe not GG<-->TG but definitely TG<-->TG.....case in point:

www.safesextour.com/tgirls/

8) 8)

[Wykydengel]

I think it's totally different seanchai. Calling yourself a lesbian tranny that likes women is really strange in my opinion.

sorry for the lack of an inroduction, though i will make up for that later, allow me to say that while you have have right to formulate whatever opinions you desire, this, among others is totally without merit.

you question how a transsexual woman can identify as a lesbian...it is quite easy when you understand the psychology behind such matters. maybe you are misinformed about what it means to be trans, for it is only my opinion that you only have porn to use as a reference. asking how mystique can call herself a lesbian is like me asking how a man can be intimate with transwoman and still consider himself straight.

as i continue reading this rather entertaining topic, i am sure there will be more to add...

[Wykydengel]

I've never heard the term cissexual before? So you have a GG who's a fuck buddy? I think this is some weird stuff. Most trannies that i've meet are gay so it's a big strech of the imagination to think that they are with women. By the way I think you're a sexy woman too.

i like the term and, though i have not heard it before, it does sound better. no offense, but if a transwoman considersherself "gay" than she would be a lesbian. neowomen (my term) who sleep with men would be consider straight. i never understood why the terms "gay" and "lesbian" are used seperately being that they both fall under the umbrella term homosexuality.

fyi...i'm bisexual, so i feel i can look at this situation somewhat objectively.

[Wykydengel]

So where do they find these women at then? When you think about it most women like masculine men so it would be really odd that a woman would date a trannie. Even lesbians don't really want anything to do with a real cock so i'm just having a hard time absorbing this.

Why do you see very few women who are willing to have sex with with trannies in porn? I've never seen any of the mainstream women have sex with a tranny but they'll eat up some pussy though.

this is not a hunt that we would see on the discovery channel. unless your world is so narrow, you would realize that it is all around you. however, if one does not open their eyes they cannot see...can they.

i am a very feminine woman. from what my girlfriends--and i am talking lovers, not just friends--tell me (yes, i have more than one and for the record, one is a neowoman and one is cisexual--so glad i used the term) that i have a very girl-next-door look.

now, granted, i am into bodybuilding (no offense, but my biceps are prolly bigger than yours), martial arts, and in a previous life i worked private security for some rather unpleasant people. so, in that regard i have a masculine personality as well.

and for the record, i love both girlfriends equally, there are no diffences in my eyes being that they are women who are positive influences in my life.

[Wykydengel]

My question for Mystiquevolution would be basically why do you come here? Granted its a public forum and people can come and go as they please. I have no problem with that. But when you HATE MEN SO FUCKING MUCH, and men make up about 98% of the forum, and I really don't see a whole lot of gg's hanging out here, whats your point? Hate is a pretty powerful emotion. Its an emotion that this world could do without. I was told if you wanna make the world a better place, stop the hate. I've got no problem with a person's sexual preference. You like what you like. You'll never see me chastising someone for what they like or don't like. But when you hate and hate and hate so fucking much that suicide is a better option as she said, I just can't get with that. And then the whole bashing of black men. LoL. I'm an very well educated and talented black man who finds it sad when I hear her or anyone bash black men. Every race has its trash. But she basically walks around with an immense amount of hate for people she's never met. Pretty sad. Just an observation.

okay, while i can see why you would ask why a person would come to a site like this--i find that i am asking the question myself about me being here—i will say that some of the forums are rather engaging. while i am not one to care less about porn (why stand on the sidelines and watch a fantasy when you can spend your time living it?)

however, back to the topic, mystique said nothing of hating men in this topic, what she did in another topic is of little concern to me because i am dealing with the present. so, no, she did not say anything about hating men. i will agree that hate, in any form is something we can all live without.

bashing anyone based on their race is something i cannot tolerate. being multiracial, i can appreciate both sides of my cultural heritage (btw, i am black, german and irish). even if one’s experience with one race has been largely negative, we cannot assume that everyone of that race is equally deplorable. so, mystique, i offer that bit of advice to you.

finally, while you feel that mystique “walks around with an immense amount of hate for people she’s never met…” well, many of you walk around with an immense misunderstanding of gender especially when it comes trying to intelligently discuss what people think they know about what it means to be transgender (c’mon, can you tell me you can relate to someone else’s life through watching a stereotype have sex on a dvd?)

don’t misunderstand me; if that is enjoyable for you, that is one thing; however, it does not make you educated or an authority on the matter. and those are my observations.

[Wykydengel]

What is wrong with this person? She calls herself a lesbain tranny and from all the posts I've seen her post on here it sounds as if she hates men? If she calls herself a lesbian tranny then who is she sleeping with because most GG women that I know are totally repulsed by trannies and definitely would never date one! Even she has admitted that over 95% of the reactions that she gets from women is negative so what is wrong with this idiot? Why go through a transition if you like women in the first place? I think this person is very confused in life and is bored. Most women like men real men and most trannies like men so what's with a tranny who does something that she knows she's going to be rejected by the women? A lesbian tranny now that some weird shit.

Do I hate men? That seems to be a major thing to some people. The answer is...No, I don't hate men. I do hate immature, ignorant, narrow-minded idiots who parade around thinking they are men though. Unfortunately, there seems to be more of the latter that I have come in contact with. A real man, although he may have never heard of something or understand it, can still respect another person.

So you have never heard of transsexuals being interested in women and other transsexuals? Well, allow me to introduce myself since you obviously want to know so badly (otherwise you wouldn't have created this topic). My name is Raven, but everyone here either knows me as Mystique or "That man hating bitch." Yes, I'm a transsexual woman who identifies as a lesbian. I'm actually in a relationship with another transgendered woman right now (She's bi, if that's of any importance). I'm young, intelligent and I have no problem voicing myself (even if it's not a popular decision). People that I don't like will most definitely know it. I don't feel the need to hide ANYTHING! Equally, people that don't like me, let me know...as you have. That's quite all right. I'm not here for your approval or anyone else's. What I am here for (when I am here) is entertainment, conversation...you know that whole forum thing. Lately, I haven't had much time for the site because between holding down a 9-5 and maintaining a relationship is very consuming. Still, I come back to say Hi and catch up. Btw...I'm neither black nor white...I'm mixed.

Well, enough for the Q&A and intro...on to the education. Although it may not be in your face, there is quite a large subculture of transsexuals who only date women or other TSs. The women "you know," may not have an interest in transsexuals...but you don't know every woman. Just like I don't know every man to say I hate all men. The life of a transsexual is hard in itself. Throw in being a lesbian and you are a double outcast by most. Still, despite all of that, I am still here. As already stated, sexual identity and sexual orientation are completely different things. The vibe I'm getting from you is, you feel transsexuals only should transition for men. Sadly, there are quite a few that do transition for men. Real women transition for themselves! I can't possibly stress that enough. This life has caused many people their lives, just for the sake of being different and misunderstood. Still, we all press on. The commitment and dedication we put into ourselves is rivaled to none. Instead of being appreciated and respected, we as a whole are outcasted. No matter how pretty, "passable," etc...we are all under the social microscope of negativity at some point.

Okay that went a little deeper than I originally planned, but hopefully you get the message. You think I'm confused and I know there are quite a few people that will agree with you. Just remember, I hold no punches and come straight out with who I am and what I am. You are busy asking questions. I'm neither confused or bored in this life. I'm proof of what transition should truly be about...SELF. Educate yourself!

Thanks everyone for the positive responses and support on this topic. It is very much appreciated.

Much Respect!

First, it is good to know that you hate men. There are a few gentlemen who are breathing a sigh of relief. I believe, and I cannot speak for anyone else, that is may not be what you say, but how you say it, that may cause people to believe that you are anti men. You have strong opinions and you don’t hold back. That is neither good nor bad, it is just you.

You and I have spoken about the subject on many occasions [for everyone else reading…I am the girlfriend about whom Raven is speaking in her previous post.] Why I understand your intent and I understand the reasoning behind it (which is one of the benefits of actually knowing a person) you know how I feel when it comes to generalizations. Making blanket statements make you no different than those with whom you may have a difference of opinion.

I agree with you that cissexual women (gawd I love that term) have more of an interest in neowomen than most people realize. I can say that (and this is before we met, Raven) that, stroke for stroke, I have had more girlfriends than many men on this site. Why, not only for the sex, though…yeah I am that damn good…but it is because I see people for who they are and not the size of their ass, tits, or other trivial bullshit.
Moreover, for everyone who is now curious about who I am in relation to who Raven is. I have attached my picture.

[Wykydengel]

I'm new here, so this will also be my introduction.

I'm a transsexual lesbian myself, right now I'm in a LTR with another mtf lesbian. Both of us are pre-op, but done with transition except for SRS and breast implants.

Many, if not most non-trans people are disgusted by transsexual women. This goes for both men and women. On average, I would say it's pretty close, but that less women than men are disgusted by transsexuals.

Earlier in transition, but when I was still living as a woman, I told people about my transition status. The two lesbian/bisexual women I knew did not lose any interest in me, though I was not interested in them. These days, I do not tell anyone in the real world that I'm trans - and I think that being trans is the last thing people suspect of the girl next door. FFS helps a ton, too.

As far as why someone would want to transition and still want to date women. You're attracted to who you're attracted to and you feel like the gender you are inside. A straight man or lesbian woman would probably get some pleasure out of having sex with a man, but over time, it would ultimately leave them unhappy and unsatisfied. Ditto goes for a TS woman trying to live as a guy - she can probably do it to some extent, but it would be a very unfufilling existence.

Don’t feel bad, I am a newbie myself, so you’re not a lone in this one. Congrats on your relationship and I wish you nothing but the best.

I consider myself lucky as I have not experienced the “disgust” that is out there. I am not sure how much of it is due to how I look versus the fact that I get respect…either willingly or otherwise. I think it also has to do with my background when it comes to dealing with people…let’s just say that I can be rather persuasive.

No, I don’t go around telling people that I am trans any more than I would tell them I am bi. It really is none of your business what is or is not between my legs…unless you happen to be my mate.

In the grand scheme of things, you love who you love and that is all there is to it. Whether it meets the approval of others, well, that doesn’t matter one bit.

[Wykydengel]

Well thanks for the honest reply MystiquEvolution I guess I have a little bit better understanding of the situation now. I am too somewhat of an old fashioned guy myself and beleive in the traditional male and female relationships granted TS aren't typical women but it's all the same to me and this is something new to me. Seen plenty of lesbian GG women but a tranny lesbian is something that I thought you were kidding about for a while. The only thing is if you're going to post here try to tone it done some because beleive me you are the minority here not the men.

By the very nature of life, there is no such thing as traditional male/female roles. If that is the case, then you need to go back in time when relationships were about hunting and gathering. Now, if you can get your ass out there and kill a bear with primitive tools, you deserve to have me barefoot and pregnant in the forest and catering to your every whim. *giggle*

While I am kidding at the above, and please don’t be offended because it was said in jest. I will say that you should however practice what you preach about self-censorship. Believe me, you are equally in the minority in the way you express yourself as Raven would be in hers.

[Wykydengel]

I like her. She's just like me, just transforming into a woman.

Mystique is a man that likes women and transsexuals.

For some reason I think we lose sight that transsexuals are men. There is no way of getting around that. So she's not a lesbian, but she is bi, like everyone else here.

She likes girls and transsexuals with big butts. I'm pretty sure she loves the models on UVP.

She comes off as a very intelligent person. From the photo, I believe she's either black or hispanic.

She's cool in my book.

Uh…Snow, trust me, I don’t share your views on this one. I would never consider myself a man. While I would never consider myself a female, I consider myself a woman in every regard. Before I end this post, I will leave you with a poem:

AINT I A WOMAN?
Sojourner Truth
That man over there say
a woman needs to be helped into carriages
and lifted over ditches
and to have the best place everywhere.
Nobody ever helped me into carriages
or over mud puddles
or gives me a best place. . .
And ain't I a woman?
Look at me
Look at my arm!
I have plowed and planted
and gathered into barns
and no man could head me. . .
And ain't I a woman?
I could work as much
and eat as much as a man--
when I could get to it--
and bear the lash as well
and ain't I a woman?
I have born 13 children
and seen most all sold into slavery
and when I cried out a mother's grief
none but Jesus heard me. . .
and ain't I a woman?
that little man in black there say
a woman can't have as much rights as a man
cause Christ wasn't a woman
Where did your Christ come from?
From God and a woman!
Man had nothing to do with him!
If the first woman God ever made
was strong enough to turn the world
upside down, all alone
together women ought to be able to turn it
rightside up again.

[Wykydengel]

I don't know about other girls here, but I think your view is a little screwed. I'm nothing like you. Quite simply, I'm M.E. and that's all I can be. There is nothing to lose sight of because you don't know how each girl views herself. Personally, I'm not a man and anyone who tries to say otherwise, usually gets an ear full. I consider transsexuals to be the third sex. We definitely aren't men but at the same time, until the final SRS (GRS) we aren't fully women. It's a gift and a curse all in the same package. I consider myself lesbian, but in being challenged by my own girlfriend...I can accept being called bisexual to a certain degree. I love dick...just not from men.

Sorry if my response comes off harsh. Just wanted to clarify things from my personal position.

PS ~ You did get one thing 100% right...UVP is lovely! (Now if only Jordan could get Cherokee D'Ass to dance) LOL :D

Many cultures view being transgender as a third sex. I will have to disagree with you about one thing. A female is something I will never be. In short, I cheated to get where I am, meaning, I did not have to go through the biological shit that females go through. Besides, having the benefit of male privilege at one point in my life also causes me to say that I could never be a female. It is not about having babies, it is how, throughout the years females have been abused and objectified.

However, I have earned the right to be called a woman. I handle my business; take care of my children and work to be the best I can be. I am at peace with who I am as a person and no one could ever tell me different.

Uh…yeah…we will talk about the this whole UVP thing. *Folds arms* I will be seeing you on Saturday.

[BeardedOne]

Dayum, Wykydengel, you got bizzy on your first day here! :shock:

Welcome to HA and thanks for your thoughts (Which I read very carefully and will now discuss with my cat).

And Mystique, it's official: I'm jealous. :wink:

[Wykydengel]

Dayum, Wykydengel, you got bizzy on your first day here! :shock:

Welcome to HA and thanks for your thoughts (Which I read very carefully and will now discuss with my cat).

And Mystique, it's official: I'm jealous. :wink:

Thank you for the warm greeting. Yeah, this post intrigued me a lot, now i have to go fishing to see what else is out here. Oh, you council with animals too? You rock *smile*

And as far as being jealous......you should be *kiss*

Thanks for making me feel right at home.

[drock]

Dayum, Wykydengel, you got bizzy on your first day here! :shock:

Welcome to HA and thanks for your thoughts (Which I read very carefully and will now discuss with my cat).

And Mystique, it's official: I'm jealous. :wink:

Thank you for the warm greeting. Yeah, this post intrigued me a lot, now i have to go fishing to see what else is out here. Oh, you council with animals too? You rock *smile*

And as far as being jealous......you should be *kiss*

Thanks for making me feel right at home.


Well don't be a stranger boo, and thanks for showing us what you look like cutie.

[seanj]

i dont think its strange for a ts to date women....transexuals are still genetic men so what would be so unusual about wanting to be with a female?...maybe the majority of tgrils are 100% gay...into men only...but some are bi...i'm sure there are plenty of bisexual women out there who would be turned on by a tgirl.

[Wykydengel]

i dont think its strange for a ts to date women....transexuals are still genetic men so what would be so unusual about wanting to be with a female?...maybe the majority of tgrils are 100% gay...into men only...but some are bi...i'm sure there are plenty of bisexual women out there who would be turned on by a tgirl.

i have a question...why is it that narrow-minded people work so hard to remind everyone that "transsexuals are still genetic men?" I mean, yes, I am pretty, well-muscled, intelligent, creative, great in the sack and could most like score more women in the evening than the average "man". why? it is because most people fail to realize that attraction is more that just about sex, it is about personality, social grace, and an all around vibe that you get when you are with someone who stimulates not only your body, but your mind. It has been my experience, and mine only, that peeps who try to keep that whole, "you're a guy" thing alive are either insecure, jealous, intimidated, or all the above.

[Wykydengel]

Welcome Wykydengel :)

The pleasure of making your acquaintance is all mine.

[Wykydengel]

Well don't be a stranger boo, and thanks for showing us what you look like cutie.

hey, for as hard as i work keeping myself in shape, 1 hour lifting 3x per week and 2 hours cardio daily, i am quite proud of my body. thanks for the compliment, however, as i have seen, I am just one of the many beautiful faces up on this site.

which, btw gents...i mean we ladies here are making ourself seen left and right...when are you guys stepping up to the plate. for the critics, it is a good chance to put up or shut up, for those gents out there who are secure in themselves, it gives us all a chance to put faces with user names. just a suggestion...

[Wykydengel]

First off, Welcome to HA baby! Second, don't you dare say a word about UVP, when you've made reference to your rather extensive dating history...damnit! Seriously, thanks for your input and views on the subject gorgeous.

*Smooches*

Yeah, i dated a lot of beautiful women and handsome men, but in the end, can't know one show me the true meaning of love that the fine-ass chick that shares this forum with me. actually, i can say that the honor is mine to be your girlfirend and to see what love looks like through your eyes.

[Samantha]

I'm new here, so this will also be my introduction.

I'm a transsexual lesbian myself, right now I'm in a LTR with another mtf lesbian. Both of us are pre-op, but done with transition except for SRS and breast implants.

Many, if not most non-trans people are disgusted by transsexual women. This goes for both men and women. On average, I would say it's pretty close, but that less women than men are disgusted by transsexuals.

Earlier in transition, but when I was still living as a woman, I told people about my transition status. The two lesbian/bisexual women I knew did not lose any interest in me, though I was not interested in them. These days, I do not tell anyone in the real world that I'm trans - and I think that being trans is the last thing people suspect of the girl next door. FFS helps a ton, too.

As far as why someone would want to transition and still want to date women. You're attracted to who you're attracted to and you feel like the gender you are inside. A straight man or lesbian woman would probably get some pleasure out of having sex with a man, but over time, it would ultimately leave them unhappy and unsatisfied. Ditto goes for a TS woman trying to live as a guy - she can probably do it to some extent, but it would be a very unfufilling existence.

Don’t feel bad, I am a newbie myself, so you’re not a lone in this one. Congrats on your relationship and I wish you nothing but the best.

I consider myself lucky as I have not experienced the “disgust” that is out there. I am not sure how much of it is due to how I look versus the fact that I get respect…either willingly or otherwise. I think it also has to do with my background when it comes to dealing with people…let’s just say that I can be rather persuasive.

No, I don’t go around telling people that I am trans any more than I would tell them I am bi. It really is none of your business what is or is not between my legs…unless you happen to be my mate.

In the grand scheme of things, you love who you love and that is all there is to it. Whether it meets the approval of others, well, that doesn’t matter one bit.

Thanks, I've been very happy for 2 years with my girl.

I really haven't faced all that much disgust either - and I'm not sure why I told others (it was quite awhile ago), but these days I agree with you, it's nobody's business other than your significant other.

[SnowJ]

I like her. She's just like me, just transforming into a woman.

Mystique is a man that likes women and transsexuals.

For some reason I think we lose sight that transsexuals are men. There is no way of getting around that. So she's not a lesbian, but she is bi, like everyone else here.

She likes girls and transsexuals with big butts. I'm pretty sure she loves the models on UVP.

She comes off as a very intelligent person. From the photo, I believe she's either black or hispanic.

She's cool in my book.

I don't know about other girls here, but I think your view is a little screwed. I'm nothing like you. Quite simply, I'm M.E. and that's all I can be. There is nothing to lose sight of because you don't know how each girl views herself. Personally, I'm not a man and anyone who tries to say otherwise, usually gets an ear full. I consider transsexuals to be the third sex. We definitely aren't men but at the same time, until the final SRS (GRS) we aren't fully women. It's a gift and a curse all in the same package. I consider myself lesbian, but in being challenged by my own girlfriend...I can accept being called bisexual to a certain degree. I love dick...just not from men.

Sorry if my response comes off harsh. Just wanted to clarify things from my personal position.

PS ~ You did get one thing 100% right...UVP is lovely! (Now if only Jordan could get Cherokee D'Ass to dance) LOL :D

Your response didn't come off harsh at all. I respect your view on the matter.

Oh, and you damn right about Cherokee, but then again..... Wait, I'm getting off topic. LOL I can talk for days about UVP.


Wykydengel - I respect your view as well. Welcome to the board.

[seanj]

i dont think its strange for a ts to date women....transexuals are still genetic men so what would be so unusual about wanting to be with a female?...maybe the majority of tgrils are 100% gay...into men only...but some are bi...i'm sure there are plenty of bisexual women out there who would be turned on by a tgirl.

i have a question...why is it that narrow-minded people work so hard to remind everyone that "transsexuals are still genetic men?" I mean, yes, I am pretty, well-muscled, intelligent, creative, great in the sack and could most like score more women in the evening than the average "man". why? it is because most people fail to realize that attraction is more that just about sex, it is about personality, social grace, and an all around vibe that you get when you are with someone who stimulates not only your body, but your mind. It has been my experience, and mine only, that peeps who try to keep that whole, "you're a guy" thing alive are either insecure, jealous,

intimidated, or all the above.

why is that narrow minded?... a transexual is genetically a male...that shouldnt offend anyone because it is just stating a fact...there is nothing wrong with that...i dont refer to tgirls as men when i speak to them...that would be narrow minded and disrespectful...i have no problem at all with any ts living their life as a female and refering to them as female.

[tommytuu]

My question for Mystiquevolution would be basically why do you come here? Granted its a public forum and people can come and go as they please. I have no problem with that. But when you HATE MEN SO FUCKING MUCH, and men make up about 98% of the forum, and I really don't see a whole lot of gg's hanging out here, whats your point? Hate is a pretty powerful emotion. Its an emotion that this world could do without. I was told if you wanna make the world a better place, stop the hate. I've got no problem with a person's sexual preference. You like what you like. You'll never see me chastising someone for what they like or don't like. But when you hate and hate and hate so fucking much that suicide is a better option as she said, I just can't get with that. And then the whole bashing of black men. LoL. I'm an very well educated and talented black man who finds it sad when I hear her or anyone bash black men. Every race has its trash. But she basically walks around with an immense amount of hate for people she's never met. Pretty sad. Just an observation.

okay, while i can see why you would ask why a person would come to a site like this--i find that i am asking the question myself about me being here—i will say that some of the forums are rather engaging. while i am not one to care less about porn (why stand on the sidelines and watch a fantasy when you can spend your time living it?)

however, back to the topic, mystique said nothing of hating men in this topic, what she did in another topic is of little concern to me because i am dealing with the present. so, no, she did not say anything about hating men. i will agree that hate, in any form is something we can all live without.

bashing anyone based on their race is something i cannot tolerate. being multiracial, i can appreciate both sides of my cultural heritage (btw, i am black, german and irish). even if one’s experience with one race has been largely negative, we cannot assume that everyone of that race is equally deplorable. so, mystique, i offer that bit of advice to you.

finally, while you feel that mystique “walks around with an immense amount of hate for people she’s never met…” well, many of you walk around with an immense misunderstanding of gender especially when it comes trying to intelligently discuss what people think they know about what it means to be transgender (c’mon, can you tell me you can relate to someone else’s life through watching a stereotype have sex on a dvd?)

don’t misunderstand me; if that is enjoyable for you, that is one thing; however, it does not make you educated or an authority on the matter. and those are my observations.Wykydengel, thanks for your insightful contributions. I've read everything you posted, saw your pic, and I'm quite impressed. I have respect for some members here but can't say I'm impressed by them. I just don't hand out ass kissing compliments. So if I say it I mean it. Mystique cleared up a lot of things about how she really feels and you've helped also. I love it when a thread ends positively. It means solid contributions are being made by intelligent people, instead of the sometimes moronic comments that light a fire and 10 pages later it actually gets worse. I'm not exempt. I got caught in one before and created another. So I'm no angel. But I appreciate your contributions and welcome to the board. Btw, I've always been aroused by gg/tg and tg/tg sex. You'll never hear condemn that.

[seanj]

i dont think its strange for a ts to date women....transexuals are still genetic men so what would be so unusual about wanting to be with a female?...maybe the majority of tgrils are 100% gay...into men only...but some are bi...i'm sure there are plenty of bisexual women out there who would be turned on by a tgirl.

i have a question...why is it that narrow-minded people work so hard to remind everyone that "transsexuals are still genetic men?" I mean, yes, I am pretty, well-muscled, intelligent, creative, great in the sack and could most like score more women in the evening than the average "man". why? it is because most people fail to realize that attraction is more that just about sex, it is about personality, social grace, and an all around vibe that you get when you are with someone who stimulates not only your body, but your mind. It has been my experience, and mine only, that peeps who try to keep that whole, "you're a guy" thing alive are either insecure, jealous,

intimidated, or all the above.

why is that narrow minded?... a transexual is genetically a male...that shouldnt offend anyone because it is just stating a fact...there is nothing wrong with that...i dont refer to tgirls as men when i speak to them...that would be narrow minded and disrespectful...i have no problem at all with any ts living their life as a female and refering to them as female.

It is narrow minded because, this very thing was already touched on in this topic. Transsexuals are not genetically male. The only thing "male" would be what is between our legs. Mentally, we are female and last time I had been medically tested, all hormone levels came back equal to a "Genetic" female. Considering all we go through in transition, it's very insulting for anyone to say otherwise. You feel this way but try to cover it by saying you aren't disrespectful in person. Last time I checked, you were dialoguing with transsexuals on this forum.

there are transexuals who post on this board who have said themselves that they are not women...does that offend you?...there is a difference between feelin like a female mentally, looking and acting like a female and being born a female...that is all i was saying...i'm cool and respectful of all of that ...but if it makes you feel better about yourself to say you are not a genetic male, thats fine.

[Wykydengel]

why is that narrow minded?... a transexual is genetically a male...that shouldnt offend anyone because it is just stating a fact...there is nothing wrong with that...i dont refer to tgirls as men when i speak to them...that would be narrow minded and disrespectful...i have no problem at all with any ts living their life as a female and refering to them as female.

just because you don't call a neochick a man doesn't mean that you still don't think that they are. why cannot tell you what to think, i would have more respect for somone who comes outright with their thoughts, so we can try to discuss the issue and see if we can reach common ground. however, to say one thing and to think another is a different matter entirely. Don't get me wrong, i respect your views, however, i feel that you are saying that you would only call a neochick a woman because it is what she wants versus it being how you truly view her.

[Wykydengel]

there are transexuals who post on this board who have said themselves that they are not women...does that offend you?...there is a difference between feelin like a female mentally, looking and acting like a female and being born a female...that is all i was saying...i'm cool and respectful of all of that ...but if it makes you feel better about yourself to say you are not a genetic male, thats fine.

and if you read my previous post you would see that think of myself as the opposite. never have nor never will consider myself a female, but a woman...you cannot tell me otherwise. there is a difference in being a female and being a woman. you may look at it as an issue of semantics, but to me it is a lot more.

no, i am not trying to start a sermon here as that is not my thing, but understand that looking at a particular group of people in broad generalizations, be it race, gender, or otherwise, makes it easier for the offending party to objectify said demographic. basically, if thinking of neowomen as "men" makes it easier for you to find whatever pleasure you do, then you do what works for you as i do what works for me.

[Ecstatic]

which, btw gents...i mean we ladies here are making ourself seen left and right...when are you guys stepping up to the plate. for the critics, it is a good chance to put up or shut up, for those gents out there who are secure in themselves, it gives us all a chance to put faces with user names. just a suggestion...
Welcome to HA, Wykydengel. Rarely does someone enter a forum with such aplomb, grace, intelligence, and presence. I can certainly see why Raven is in love with you, and vice versa -- at least insofar as I can infer from your and her posts.

I have indeed posted my visage here before, and if it doesn't scare too many peeps away, lol, I'll do so here again to welcome you with a face as well as an alias:

[Wykydengel]

I have indeed posted my visage here before, and if it doesn't scare too many peeps away, lol, I'll do so here again to welcome you with a face as well as an alias:

a warm welcome to you as well. you win my “most well-spoken gentleman” award as you demonstrate that, even in a forum dealing with adult issues, one can speak in a manner that has me grinning from ear to ear. btw, i’m a sucker for curls which wins you major cool points in my estimation.

[seanj]

there are transexuals who post on this board who have said themselves that they are not women...does that offend you?...there is a difference between feelin like a female mentally, looking and acting like a female and being born a female...that is all i was saying...i'm cool and respectful of all of that ...but if it makes you feel better about yourself to say you are not a genetic male, thats fine.

and if you read my previous post you would see that think of myself as the opposite. never have nor never will consider myself a female, but a woman...you cannot tell me otherwise. there is a difference in being a female and being a woman. you may look at it as an issue of semantics, but to me it is a lot more.

no, i am not trying to start a sermon here as that is not my thing, but understand that looking at a particular group of people in broad generalizations, be it race, gender, or otherwise, makes it easier for the offending party to objectify said demographic. basically, if thinking of neowomen as "men" makes it easier for you to find whatever pleasure you do, then you do what works for you as i do what works for me.

so i find pleasure in refering to transexuals as men?...lol...you are taking my statement completely out of context...there is no reason to be so defensive...i made a simple statement of fact saying that a ts is a gentic male...no matter how you wanna twist that its just a fact...as i said i dont go around refering to transexuals as men...nor do i think of them or treat them as men...you are genetically a male...so what...its really not that serious...i can see where someone who doesnt accept that lifestyle could take that to throw in a transexuals face and say you are and always will be a man...thats not what i am saying at all...just be happy with who you are now.

[Ecstatic]

a warm welcome to you as well. you win my “most well-spoken gentleman” award as you demonstrate that, even in a forum dealing with adult issues, one can speak in a manner that has me grinning from ear to ear. btw, i’m a sucker for curls which wins you major cool points in my estimation.
Thanks, Wykydengel. As a footnote, I won a silver dollar when I was an infant for having the curliest hair in town!

[Ecstatic]

Thank you, Ecstatic, for being real enough to post a pic! :)

Now we're waiting for the rest of you fellas to do the same. :sleep
Hey, I don't care if people see what I look like. For professional reasons (like most), I won't give my real name on the forum, but otherwise it's cool. btw, there is at least one thread here where a bunch of us guys posted our pics (yes, and those pics too, lol), so I'm not the only one. Besides, I may not win any beauty contests, but I'm pretty happy with the way I look at my age (I'll be 97 in June....)

[Ecstatic]

Obviously, you do find pleasure in refering to us (transsexuals) as men. If not, you wouldn't continuously repeat it and try to back up your statement. You've heard from 2 transsexual women, our takes on it and still you insist on being rude (and yes, it's extremely rude). I'm going to cut my response short before I really go off. Ignorance is bliss...I'll leave it at that.

:roll:
I've never bought into the simplistic binary sex model of the human species. First of all, that model excludes all intersexed people, who cannot be classified even by the most fundamental of primary sex organ distinction, as they exhibit any of various intermediary stages of male/female genitalia and other physiological features. Then there are those who don't have the normal XY or XX chromosomes, but instead a variant such as XYY, XXY, and many others. Further, there's distinction based on primary and on secondary sexual characteristics, and some hold that transgendered individuals, while not exhibiting genital intersexuality, nonetheless are intersexed in psychological and secondary physiological characteristics.

Or, to put a really fine point to it, we all start life as female, prior to prenatal sexual differentiation. Thus, imho there are humans, who exhibit a wide range of sexual and gender characteristics, with the great majority tending to either female or male but not limited to those two classes.

[seanj]

there are transexuals who post on this board who have said themselves that they are not women...does that offend you?...there is a difference between feelin like a female mentally, looking and acting like a female and being born a female...that is all i was saying...i'm cool and respectful of all of that ...but if it makes you feel better about yourself to say you are not a genetic male, thats fine.

and if you read my previous post you would see that think of myself as the opposite. never have nor never will consider myself a female, but a woman...you cannot tell me otherwise. there is a difference in being a female and being a woman. you may look at it as an issue of semantics, but to me it is a lot more.

no, i am not trying to start a sermon here as that is not my thing, but understand that looking at a particular group of people in broad generalizations, be it race, gender, or otherwise, makes it easier for the offending party to objectify said demographic. basically, if thinking of neowomen as "men" makes it easier for you to find whatever pleasure you do, then you do what works for you as i do what works for me.

so i find pleasure in refering to transexuals as men?...lol...you are taking my statement completely out of context...there is no reason to be so defensive...i made a simple statement of fact saying that a ts is a gentic male...no matter how you wanna twist that its just a fact...as i said i dont go around refering to transexuals as men...nor do i think of them or treat them as men...you are genetically a male...so what...its really not that serious...i can see where someone who doesnt accept that lifestyle could take that to throw in a transexuals face and say you are and always will be a man...thats not what i am saying at all...just be happy with who you are now.

Obviously, you do find pleasure in refering to us (transsexuals) as men. If not, you wouldn't continuously repeat it and try to back up your statement. You've heard from 2 transsexual women, our takes on it and still you insist on being rude (and yes, it's extremely rude). I'm going to cut my response short before I really go off. Ignorance is bliss...I'll leave it at that.

:roll:

ok...u win...you were not born as a genetic male...u are a lesbian...and i am a rude, ignorant, tranny hater who gets pleasure from callin out tgirls as men.

[dabaldone]

Well don't be a stranger boo, and thanks for showing us what you look like cutie.

hey, for as hard as i work keeping myself in shape, 1 hour lifting 3x per week and 2 hours cardio daily, i am quite proud of my body. thanks for the compliment, however, as i have seen, I am just one of the many beautiful faces up on this site.

which, btw gents...i mean we ladies here are making ourself seen left and right...when are you guys stepping up to the plate. for the critics, it is a good chance to put up or shut up, for those gents out there who are secure in themselves, it gives us all a chance to put faces with user names. just a suggestion...

Good point. Well ladies here I am. Please be gentle ladies.

[Ecstatic]

54, actually! I got carded last year at TGIF's because the waitress thought I was under 40. And one of my Thai tgirl friends tells me I should give my age as 38, lol.

If only I felt as young as all that!

[BeardedOne]

Now we're waiting for the rest of you fellas to do the same.

OK, but don't be drinking anything when you look, or it'll be all over the keyboard. :shock:

[BeardedOne]

I have indeed posted my visage here before, and if it doesn't scare too many peeps away, lol, I'll do so here again to welcome you with a face as well as an alias:

Gosh, E, you look like a judge I know out west (Only younger). :D

[Wykydengel]

so i find pleasure in refering to transexuals as men?...lol...you are taking my statement completely out of context...there is no reason to be so defensive...i made a simple statement of fact saying that a ts is a gentic male...no matter how you wanna twist that its just a fact...as i said i dont go around refering to transexuals as men...nor do i think of them or treat them as men...you are genetically a male...so what...its really not that serious...i can see where someone who doesnt accept that lifestyle could take that to throw in a transexuals face and say you are and always will be a man...thats not what i am saying at all...just be happy with who you are now.

I did not say you find pleasure in calling transsexuals “men”, I am saying that if your objectifying transwomen makes it easier for you to find pleasure in them, that is your thing and I respect that. You mistake my illustration of a point as being defensive.

You say that you don’t say or think as you do, but you keep sounding like a broken record, so, either you speak to hear yourself speak, or, your memory is so short, you forget what you say. In either event, you have your beliefs and I have mine.

While I thank you for your well-wishes of happiness, I need to be told what I already am. Don’t mistake my discussion on this topic as someone who is disenfranchised with life. I have all that I wish in life and for that, I am content.

[Wykydengel]

Obviously, you do find pleasure in refering to us (transsexuals) as men. If not, you wouldn't continuously repeat it and try to back up your statement. You've heard from 2 transsexual women, our takes on it and still you insist on being rude (and yes, it's extremely rude). I'm going to cut my response short before I really go off. Ignorance is bliss...I'll leave it at that. :roll:

i love you to death, babe, but pump your brakes on this one. there is no sense allowing yourself to get worked up over a differance of opinion. seanj has his views. you have yours. you should never allow yourself to get upset at something that has no measure on your day. this isn't really a major issue as neither position will truly change. you know his position on the matter, he knows yours (and mine) as far as i am concerned this debate has hit the wall and, neither side comes out as victorious. as seanj will continue to speak as he wishes, i will continue to speak as i wish. so there really is no sense of being upset at the situation.

for the record...i am not even bothered by the ignorance that some people display (and i mean ignorance as in lack of knowledge) after all, this is an "adult" forum where peeps from all walks of life gather. As you will find there are some people who can address topics such as this with intellect and tact--and you know who you are--a large majority are only interested in seeing chicks with their dicks hanging out.

[Wykydengel]

ok...u win...you were not born as a genetic male...u are a lesbian...and i am a rude, ignorant, tranny hater who gets pleasure from callin out tgirls as men.

if i knew any better, i would swear that you were being condescending. as i told mystique, i will say the same to you...it is okay to have a difference of opinion, however, as you voice your thoughts as you choose, so shall she, me, or anyone else.

however, i beleive that people need to be real about their views and to not try to disquise them as a genuine interest, when it is nothing but a fetish of sorts.

[Wykydengel]

Good point. Well ladies here I am. Please be gentle ladies.

*stares at bicep* I think I am in love! *smiles* However, being that i am taken and mystique and a Gloc pointed at the crown of my skull...i will just say that you look handsome and be done with that *lol*

[Wykydengel]

OK, but don't be drinking anything when you look, or it'll be all over the keyboard. :shock:

Actually, you kinda look like sean connery...and i think he is hot.

[dabaldone]

Good point. Well ladies here I am. Please be gentle ladies.

*stares at bicep* I think I am in love! *smiles* However, being that i am taken and mystique and a Gloc pointed at the crown of my skull...i will just say that you look handsome and be done with that *lol*

Thank you Wykydengel :oops:

[Ecstatic]

I have indeed posted my visage here before, and if it doesn't scare too many peeps away, lol, I'll do so here again to welcome you with a face as well as an alias:

Gosh, E, you look like a judge I know out west (Only younger). :D
And you look like you stepped off the stage of a Gilbert and Sullivan production, B1! (cue chorus: "he polished up the handle [sic] so carefully that now he is the captain of the Queen's navy!")

[sdman]

Well don't be a stranger boo, and thanks for showing us what you look like cutie.

hey, for as hard as i work keeping myself in shape, 1 hour lifting 3x per week and 2 hours cardio daily, i am quite proud of my body. thanks for the compliment, however, as i have seen, I am just one of the many beautiful faces up on this site.

which, btw gents...i mean we ladies here are making ourself seen left and right...when are you guys stepping up to the plate. for the critics, it is a good chance to put up or shut up, for those gents out there who are secure in themselves, it gives us all a chance to put faces with user names. just a suggestion...


Well here is a picture of me I hope you like it?

[BeardedOne]

Actually, you kinda look like sean connery...and i think he is hot.

Oh my! :shock:

Thanks, Wykydengel. :oops:

Though your compliment leaves me mildly shaken (But not stirred). :lol:


And you look like you stepped off the stage of a Gilbert and Sullivan production, B1!

Close, E, but not quite. I need to get a clearer pic to share with folks as you're the second to make a naval reference to that image (Though, I must admit that I do look a bit like a tug pilot there). I'm actually standing in the cab of an old New York subway car in that pic. It was taken a couple of summers ago, the first time I'd run one of them (Though I learned on Boston cars when I was a teen and have operated ones from other cities as well).

When I say I've been off "playing with trains", it's pretty safe to assume that I mean the real ones. :D

[Wykydengel]

Well here is a picture of me I hope you like it?

yet another attractive gent...yes, i can have an opposing point of view and still call it as i see it. btw, you look like the type of guy that can be in the middle of a resturant and get the whole crowd to sing a song with you. *smile*

[BeardedOne]

Oh my! :shock:

We're up to ten pages already. :)

Bet you didn't know you had so many fans, didja Mystique? :wink:

[Wykydengel]

:roll: No comment...

Now...now...you sheath those claws as you know i love you *kiss*

[Wykydengel]

Oh my! :shock:

We're up to ten pages already. :)

Bet you didn't know you had so many fans, didja Mystique? :wink:

LOL, I wouldn't consider myself having fans at all. Much of this topic isn't even about me really.

In my eyes it is all about you *smile*

[BeardedOne]

In my eyes it is all about you *smile*

In the movie Galaxy Quest (For those that haven't seen it, it is an excellent send-up of Star Trek fanaticism and a great what-if scenario), Tim Allen, as the intrepid Captain, is running from this alien monster and screaming "Help me!" to his crew in the skies above. Alan Rickman, playing the 'Spocklike' smart-alien on the crew yells into the mic (In that delightful accent of his) "Oh, royt then! I's all aboutchoo then, i'nt it?". :lol:

OK, OK, you definitely hadda be there, but it's priceless. :lol:


LOL, I wouldn't consider myself having fans at all.

The fan base is relative. You'd be surprised at how many of us truly enjoy your company. :wink:

[BeardedOne]

Hmm...now this is a case of which is worse? The fact that you actually remembered that scene from the movie...or...the fact that I'm one of the 10 people who has actually seen it. LMAO

People enjoy my company? Lies...ALL LIES I TELL YOU!!!

Lies! Lies and specualtion! :lol:

I remember an awful lot of sick stuff. :lol:

Hey, I have lived through some of that fanaticsim (Though more as an observer). How many people can say that two of their 'girlfriends' made Mr. Sulu trip over his own feet at Virginia Beach when they waved at him from the hotel balcony in the nude? :lol:

Ha! :lol:

Your people should call my people and we should do lunch at the Terminal sometime. :D

[Ecstatic]

I fondly remember that scene and the movie Galaxy Quest. A brilliant sendup, as you say.

[BeardedOne]

I fondly remember that scene and the movie Galaxy Quest. A brilliant sendup, as you say.

I truly love that movie, especially having seen the Trek/Sf con circuit from the inside out. I got stuck in an elevator with Chekov/Walter Koenig once, and I swear there was a look of terror in his eyes, wondering if I was going to ask him to autograph my butt or something. :lol:

[Ecstatic]

I usually catch flak for this, but I like Galaxy Quest a whole lot more than Spaceballs.

[Quinn]

I fondly remember that scene and the movie Galaxy Quest. A brilliant sendup, as you say.

I, too, am a fan of both this movie and the aforementioned scene. A great movie for anyone who has ever enjoyed Star Trek.

-Quinn

[drock]

what happened to Wykydengel?

[drock]

what happened to Wykydengel?

She's fine. I've been keeping her busy *giggle* :D

You sure you don't wanna share some of that or her with a brotha? hahahaha???

[drock]

HHHEEEEELLLLLL NO! :smh lol

Don't be selfish boo.. ctfu.. :lol:

[Wykydengel]

what happened to Wykydengel?

just popping in for a minute to say hey. as you can see, i've been a little...tied up *lol* but is it all good. actually, i am trying to get a few literary projects completed, stay sane at work, and fix my borther's laptop. so, i am here.

it is good to know you missed me, however :)

[BeardedOne]

i am trying to get a few literary projects completed

I love 'literary projects'. :D

The other day I was advising a friend about the fiction she was jotting down on her 1040. I asked if she liked breaking big rocks into little rocks and how she felt about doing that for, oh, five years or thereabouts. :lol:

[Ecstatic]

Ah, that explains the recent guv'mint job offer I received.... :)

[Beaner]

MysticEvolution is a strange bird.

[sdman]

is she still on here?

[BeardedOne]

is she still on here?

You see, she =DOES= have fans. :D

Last I heard, Mystique was bizzy with a number of things including a happy new job. I'm guessing she may lurk, but doesn't post much these days.

[TsVanessa69]

What is wrong with this person? She calls herself a lesbain tranny and from all the posts I've seen her post on here it sounds as if she hates men? If she calls herself a lesbian tranny then who is she sleeping with because most GG women that I know are totally repulsed by trannies and definitely would never date one! Even she has admitted that over 95% of the reactions that she gets from women is negative so what is wrong with this idiot? Why go through a transition if you like women in the first place? I think this person is very confused in life and is bored. Most women like men real men and most trannies like men so what's with a tranny who does something that she knows she's going to be rejected by the women? A lesbian tranny now that some weird shit.


Well i would have to disagree with this comment tottaly ....There is a subculture out there of Transsexuals who date women exsclusively ...So to me its nothing weird ...I no many Transsexual girls who date female to male transsexuals also ...
The girls that i know like to date masculine women ...And these trannies are usually tops ...when u think about it fucking a masuculine looking girl is like ..Fucking a man ..in sense
Many transsexuals also appreciate the affection ..Women or Females to males transsexuals are usually far more affectionate ..Than men
And in some cases it all spins back to Girls constantly being hurt by men and used as sex objects ..so forth and so on

So my dear i think you should perhaps do a little more research into the subject ..Because its not any weirder..Than men who like females with penises :wink:
Great point.
My girlfriend who is ts dates another ts, and says the relationship is the most fulfilling she ever had.