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Prospero
10-30-2012, 05:56 PM
The NY Times has - unsurprisingly - come out in favour of Obama for the coming election.

But their arguments spelt out in this editorial are all powerful ones. Any other result would place America in a dangerous place.

Barack Obama for Re-election
Published: October 27, 2012

The economy is slowly recovering from the 2008 meltdown, and the country could suffer another recession if the wrong policies take hold. The United States is embroiled in unstable regions that could easily explode into full-blown disaster. An ideological assault from the right has started to undermine the vital health reform law passed in 2010. Those forces are eroding women’s access to health care, and their right to control their lives. Nearly 50 years after passage of the Civil Rights Act, all Americans’ rights are cheapened by the right wing’s determination to deny marriage benefits to a selected group of us. Astonishingly, even the very right to vote is being challenged.
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That is the context for the Nov. 6 election, and as stark as it is, the choice is just as clear.

President Obama has shown a firm commitment to using government to help foster growth. He has formed sensible budget policies that are not dedicated to protecting the powerful, and has worked to save the social safety net to protect the powerless. Mr. Obama has impressive achievements despite the implacable wall of refusal erected by Congressional Republicans so intent on stopping him that they risked pushing the nation into depression, held its credit rating hostage, and hobbled economic recovery.

Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, has gotten this far with a guile that allows him to say whatever he thinks an audience wants to hear. But he has tied himself to the ultraconservative forces that control the Republican Party and embraced their policies, including reckless budget cuts and 30-year-old, discredited trickle-down ideas. Voters may still be confused about Mr. Romney’s true identity, but they know the Republican Party, and a Romney administration would reflect its agenda. Mr. Romney’s choice of Representative Paul Ryan as his running mate says volumes about that.

We have criticized individual policy choices that Mr. Obama has made over the last four years, and have been impatient with his unwillingness to throw himself into the political fight. But he has shaken off the hesitancy that cost him the first debate, and he approaches the election clearly ready for the partisan battles that would follow his victory.

We are confident he would challenge the Republicans in the “fiscal cliff” battle even if it meant calling their bluff, letting the Bush tax cuts expire and forcing them to confront the budget sequester they created. Electing Mr. Romney would eliminate any hope of deficit reduction that included increased revenues.

In the poisonous atmosphere of this campaign, it may be easy to overlook Mr. Obama’s many important achievements, including carrying out the economic stimulus, saving the auto industry, improving fuel efficiency standards, and making two very fine Supreme Court appointments.

Health Care

Mr. Obama has achieved the most sweeping health care reforms since the passage of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965. The reform law takes a big step toward universal health coverage, a final piece in the social contract.

It was astonishing that Mr. Obama and the Democrats in Congress were able to get a bill past the Republican opposition. But the Republicans’ propagandistic distortions of the new law helped them wrest back control of the House, and they are determined now to repeal the law.

That would eliminate the many benefits the reform has already brought: allowing children under 26 to stay on their parents’ policies; lower drug costs for people on Medicare who are heavy users of prescription drugs; free immunizations, mammograms and contraceptives; a ban on lifetime limits on insurance payments. Insurance companies cannot deny coverage to children with pre-existing conditions. Starting in 2014, insurers must accept all applicants. Once fully in effect, the new law would start to control health care costs.

Mr. Romney has no plan for covering the uninsured beyond his callous assumption that they will use emergency rooms. He wants to use voucher programs to shift more Medicare costs to beneficiaries and block grants to shift more Medicaid costs to the states.

The Economy

Mr. Obama prevented another Great Depression. The economy was cratering when he took office in January 2009. By that June it was growing, and it has been ever since (although at a rate that disappoints everyone), thanks in large part to interventions Mr. Obama championed, like the $840 billion stimulus bill. Republicans say it failed, but it created and preserved 2.5 million jobs and prevented unemployment from reaching 12 percent. Poverty would have been much worse without the billions spent on Medicaid, food stamps and jobless benefits.

Last year, Mr. Obama introduced a jobs plan that included spending on school renovations, repair projects for roads and bridges, aid to states, and more. It was stymied by Republicans. Contrary to Mr. Romney’s claims, Mr. Obama has done good things for small businesses — like pushing through more tax write-offs for new equipment and temporary tax cuts for hiring the unemployed.

The Dodd-Frank financial regulation was an important milestone. It is still a work in progress, but it established the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, initiated reform of the derivatives market, and imposed higher capital requirements for banks. Mr. Romney wants to repeal it.

If re-elected, Mr. Obama would be in position to shape the “grand bargain” that could finally combine stimulus like the jobs bill with long-term deficit reduction that includes letting the high-end Bush-era tax cuts expire. Stimulus should come first, and deficit reduction as the economy strengthens. Mr. Obama has not been as aggressive as we would have liked in addressing the housing crisis, but he has increased efforts in refinancing and loan modifications.

Mr. Romney’s economic plan, as much as we know about it, is regressive, relying on big tax cuts and deregulation. That kind of plan was not the answer after the financial crisis, and it will not create broad prosperity.

Foreign Affairs

Mr. Obama and his administration have been resolute in attacking Al Qaeda’s leadership, including the killing of Osama bin Laden. He has ended the war in Iraq. Mr. Romney, however, has said he would have insisted on leaving thousands of American soldiers there. He has surrounded himself with Bush administration neocons who helped to engineer the Iraq war, and adopted their militaristic talk in a way that makes a Romney administration’s foreign policies a frightening prospect.

Mr. Obama negotiated a much tougher regime of multilateral economic sanctions on Iran. Mr. Romney likes to say the president was ineffective on Iran, but at the final debate he agreed with Mr. Obama’s policies. Mr. Obama deserves credit for his handling of the Arab Spring. The killing goes on in Syria, but the administration is working to identify and support moderate insurgent forces there. At the last debate, Mr. Romney talked about funneling arms through Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which are funneling arms to jihadist groups.

Mr. Obama gathered international backing for airstrikes during the Libyan uprising, and kept American military forces in a background role. It was smart policy.

In the broadest terms, he introduced a measure of military restraint after the Bush years and helped repair America’s badly damaged reputation in many countries from the low levels to which it had sunk by 2008.

The Supreme Court

The future of the nation’s highest court hangs in the balance in this election — and along with it, reproductive freedom for American women and voting rights for all, to name just two issues. Whoever is president after the election will make at least one appointment to the court, and many more to federal appeals courts and district courts.

Mr. Obama, who appointed the impressive Justices Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, understands how severely damaging conservative activism has been in areas like campaign spending. He would appoint justices and judges who understand that landmarks of equality like the Voting Rights Act must be defended against the steady attack from the right.

Mr. Romney’s campaign Web site says he will “nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia, Thomas and Alito,” among the most conservative justices in the past 75 years. There is no doubt that he would appoint justices who would seek to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Civil Rights

The extraordinary fact of Mr. Obama’s 2008 election did not usher in a new post-racial era. In fact, the steady undercurrent of racism in national politics is truly disturbing. Mr. Obama, however, has reversed Bush administration policies that chipped away at minorities’ voting rights and has fought laws, like the ones in Arizona, that seek to turn undocumented immigrants into a class of criminals.

The military’s odious “don’t ask, don’t tell” rule was finally legislated out of existence, under the Obama administration’s leadership. There are still big hurdles to equality to be brought down, including the Defense of Marriage Act, the outrageous federal law that undermines the rights of gay men and lesbians, even in states that recognize those rights.

Though it took Mr. Obama some time to do it, he overcame his hesitation about same-sex marriage and declared his support. That support has helped spur marriage-equality movements around the country. His Justice Department has also stopped defending the Defense of Marriage Act against constitutional challenges.

Mr. Romney opposes same-sex marriage and supports the federal act, which not only denies federal benefits and recognition to same-sex couples but allows states to ignore marriages made in other states. His campaign declared that Mr. Romney would not object if states also banned adoption by same-sex couples and restricted their rights to hospital visitation and other privileges.

Mr. Romney has been careful to avoid the efforts of some Republicans to criminalize abortion even in the case of women who had been raped, including by family members. He says he is not opposed to contraception, but he has promised to deny federal money to Planned Parenthood, on which millions of women depend for family planning.

For these and many other reasons, we enthusiastically endorse President Barack Obama for a second term, and express the hope that his victory will be accompanied by a new Congress willing to work for policies that Americans need.

Ben
11-03-2012, 07:28 AM
Real Women Vote For Obama:

Real Women Vote For Obama - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcc0EMPcfhg&feature=player_embedded)

onmyknees
11-03-2012, 03:36 PM
Shocking Disclosure............... ...........The NY Times endorses Obama? You don't say?


It carries about the same weight as the Putin endorsement of Barry.That is to say.............it's meaningless. It's like an MSNBC endorsement. It's irrelevant unless you live on the upper west side, in which case you're voting for Barry anyway.
Is this the same NY Times that tried to pull an October surprise in '08 by printing a story right before the election about McCain having an affair with a campaign aide? The story was 5000 words of conjuncture, not source, or unnamed sources, and wrought with innuendos and outright lies . It was so over the top, the woman named in the article sued them. Google it you sycophant. Why don't you copy and past some of the newspaper endorsements of papers that backed Barry in 08, but are dumping him in '12. That would be more instructive than the inevitable endorsement. The only surprise for me is why it took them so long. I was expecting this 2 days after the inauguration.

Prospero
11-03-2012, 03:42 PM
Not meaningless OMK if you read their arguments which, from any point of view, offer very powerful reasons why Obama is the man and Romney should be the also ran.

And its ironic for you to complain about the NYTimes when Fox runs fantasy tales every day....

Sycophant... hardly.Most of my posts offer cogent arguments against your vile mob. But you'd not notice that through the distorting specacles of your prejudices.

Check out stuff on electorial fraud. proven.
Romney's vile record at Bain. proven.
Romney's attitude to the poor. Transparent from his own words.
Ryan's absurd embrace of the philosophy of Ayn Rand. proven.
The total lack of any explanation of how the Romney-Ryan team will fix the economy.
The complete blocking of any measures by obama to address the economy after the mid term elections. proven.
The upcoming bid i the Supreme court to roll back voting rights and protection. proven.
The attempt by many GOP controlled states to limit voting by ethnic minorities. proven.

etc etc....

Oh yes... of course Obama is not American. He is a communist. He is a Muslim.
That's all the Fox stuff.

buttslinger
11-03-2012, 04:39 PM
Relax and enjoy, all ye free spirits......

The Ryan team is already floating around talk of him quitting Congress and writing a book, so he'll have no record to run against in 2016.

Skip the Korbel and get yourself a hungryman turkey dinner for tuesday night, OMK. This thing is O-VAH!!!!!

Ben
11-04-2012, 03:30 AM
Not meaningless OMK if you read their arguments which, from any point of view, offer very powerful reasons why Obama is the man and Romney should be the also ran.

And its ironic for you to complain about the NYTimes when Fox runs fantasy tales every day....

Sycophant... hardly.Most of my posts offer cogent arguments against your vile mob. But you'd not notice that through the distorting specacles of your prejudices.

Check out stuff on electorial fraud. proven.
Romney's vile record at Bain. proven.
Romney's attitude to the poor. Transparent from his own words.
Ryan's absurd embrace of the philosophy of Ayn Rand. proven.
The total lack of any explanation of how the Romney-Ryan team will fix the economy.
The complete blocking of any measures by obama to address the economy after the mid term elections. proven.
The upcoming bid i the Supreme court to roll back voting rights and protection. proven.
The attempt by many GOP controlled states to limit voting by ethnic minorities. proven.

etc etc....

Oh yes... of course Obama is not American. He is a communist. He is a Muslim.
That's all the Fox stuff.

Obama is a socialist. America is a socialist paradise -- ha ha! (Obama is a moderate Republican circa 1992. He reminds me of George Bush Sr.)
And he's also a Muslim -- ha ha! :).... (Actually, say Obama was a Muslim. What is wrong with that???)
Is America that nativist that they'd be afraid/paranoid about a President who was Muslim?
I can't see then America ever electing a Muslim president or an atheist or, say, a lesbian black woman.
What about someone who is transgender? Think they have a hope in becoming president?

hippifried
11-04-2012, 05:38 AM
Relax and enjoy, all ye free spirits......

The Ryan team is already floating around talk of him quitting Congress and writing a book, so he'll have no record to run against in 2016.

Skip the Korbel and get yourself a hungryman turkey dinner for tuesday night, OMK. This thing is O-VAH!!!!!

I thought he already quit Congress. Well, for the next term anyway. The whole House of Representatives is up for grabs, just like it is every 2 years. That includes Paul Ryan's current position. He's running for the Vice Presidency. The Constitution says you can't hold more than one elected position at a time. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to run for more than one elected federal position in the same election. If somebody can show me some special caveat for members of Congress hedging their bets, I'm all eyes.

Odelay
11-04-2012, 05:48 AM
I thought he already quit Congress. Well, for the next term anyway. The whole House of Representatives is up for grabs, just like it is every 2 years. That includes Paul Ryan's current position. He's running for the Vice Presidency. The Constitution says you can't hold more than one elected position at a time. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to run for more than one elected federal position in the same election. If somebody can show me some special caveat for members of Congress hedging their bets, I'm all eyes.
Nope, hippi. Running for more than one race is an issue settled by state election, law, I believe. I do know Ryan is on the ballot in Wisconsin for Congress and VP because Wisconsin law allows it. He would have to resign one of the offices, immediately, if he were to win both.

hippifried
11-04-2012, 06:05 AM
I stand corrected. Might end up being a moot point anyway.

Ben
11-05-2012, 03:55 AM
Glenn Greenwald on voters 'disenchanted' with Obama - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm3GHhAe7WQ&list=UUNye-wNBqNL5ZzHSJj3l8Bg&feature=player_embedded)

danthepoetman
11-06-2012, 03:51 PM
President Barack Obama.

flabbybody
11-06-2012, 04:17 PM
Gotta agree with OMK on the TIMES endorsement. Who gives a shit? It's hard to find someone under 30 who even knows what a newspaper is, let alone reads one.
My newspaper, The New York POST, is backing Romney.... no surprise. I buy the paper for their local sports coverage so why should I care?
I hope everyone has a terrific election day, especially all my neighbors here in the northeast who are still struggling to pull things back to normal. I think the outcome will be a small but significant victory for Obama. I truly believe this will be the best course for our nation going forward and hope we all can come together.
Thank God this shit's over. no more political ads on TV

Willie Escalade
11-06-2012, 04:41 PM
THIS is what I'm afraid of...

2012 Voting Machines Altering Votes - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM)

fred41
11-06-2012, 06:32 PM
Gotta agree with OMK on the TIMES endorsement. Who gives a shit? It's hard to find someone under 30 who even knows what a newspaper is, let alone reads one.
My newspaper, The New York POST, is backing Romney.... no surprise. I buy the paper for their local sports coverage so why should I care?
I hope everyone has a terrific election day, especially all my neighbors here in the northeast who are still struggling to pull things back to normal. I think the outcome will be a small but significant victory for Obama. I truly believe this will be the best course for our nation going forward and hope we all can come together.
Thank God this shit's over. no more political ads on TV

Were you surprised by the N.Y. Daily News endorsement of Romney? I have to admit that I was.

Prospero
11-06-2012, 06:38 PM
Flabby - there is a vast part of the population still over thirty who DO read newspapers.

When i posted that i admitted that it was no surprise. But what i hoped people would do was read the short editorial that followed which, IMHO, offered a pretty cogent explanation of why Obama was the right choice and why Romney was the wrong one.o

Murdoch owns the New York Post - so it is hardly surprising that along with Fox news, it endorses Romney. I expect the WSJ did as well - though I've not looked.

The Daily News... well newspaper editors who are NOT owned by Murdoch do have the freedom to weight things up for themselves (mind you its editor Colin Myler was a loyal Murdoch man - the editor of his now defunct news Of The World - until it was closed earlier this year amid scandal over phone tapping). So I wonder if his old allegiences might have swayed him.

fred41
11-06-2012, 06:53 PM
The Daily News... well newspaper editors who are NOT owned by Murdoch do have the freedom to weight things up for themselves (mind you its editor Colin Myler was a loyal Murdoch man - the editor of his now defunct news Of The World - until it was closed earlier this year amid scandal over phone tapping). So I wonder if his old allegiences might have swayed him.

The papers tilt (or my perception of it)seemed to be towards President Obama for the most part.That is why I'm surprised by the endorsement. The timing of the endorsement is also quite odd. The paper waited so long with it, that it fails to carry any weight whatsoever.

fred41
11-06-2012, 06:57 PM
I don't normally read the Wall Street Journal so I googled it to see the endorsement only to learn that they don't do endorsements.

tommy001
11-07-2012, 04:12 PM
I don't know a lot about American politics but if i was an American i would find this scary for for generations to come.
http://www.worldometers.info/us-debt-clock/

If you lay $1 bills on top of each other they would make a pile 1,770,959 km, or 1,100,423 miles high!
That's equivalent to 4.61 trips to the Moon!

Barack Obama's hair will be snow white when he takes a good look at this. and wonders what he's going to do?

trish
11-07-2012, 05:32 PM
What are you talking about, if you lay 16 trillion dollar bills one on top of the other it will barely be few millimeters high. The distance to the moon is irrelevant to any discussion of debt as is the thickness of paper. You certainly aren't going to make a dent in the deficit or the debt by placing it on the backs of the poor or the elderly, or by denying the sick proper medical treatment, or by firing teachers, or turning K-12 education into a for profit enterprise (we saw what that did to hospitals and the cost of medical care). The market is driven by demand. U.S. Corporations have fully recovered from the recession. Worker production is higher than ever. Large corporations have been making record profits for the last couple of years. Their profits are optimal for the current demand. They aren't hiring more people because their production and profits are optimized for the current demand. Jobs are down because corporations won't hire. Demand is down because jobs are down. Jobs are down because Corporations won't hire. Corporations won't hire because demand is down. Demand is....you get the picture. Only government can break the cycle. Now is the time for government to invest in infrastructure. Interest rates are low, construction is cheap. Should we wait until interest rates go up and construction is expensive to fix our bridges, roads and dams? Half of the job depression we see right now is due to States firing government workers. Government does create jobs. We should hire those teachers, firemen, policemen and postal workers back. We should spend on infrastructure. Put money directly into the pockets of people who actually labor for their living instead of giving tax breaks to those who sit on their asses and collect dividends hoping the fat cats will tip big and let some green trickle down.

tommy001
11-07-2012, 08:24 PM
That's what it says here! http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedstates
and it's laying them on top of each other not piling. lengthwise 6.14 inches is the length of a dollar bill. maybe that's what they mean?

Mr President will sort it out, one way or another lol

hippifried
11-08-2012, 04:05 AM
That's what it says here! http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedstates
and it's laying them on top of each other not piling. lengthwise 6.14 inches is the length of a dollar bill. maybe that's what they mean?
Mr President will sort it out, one way or another lol

Been seeing that clock for the last 40 years at least. So what? Still there. still counting down to who knows what. Still the big scary monster that's supposed to get everybody in a panic. Y'all act like this is something real. It's all just numbers in a ledger, to be played with by the accountant toddlers. Money's created by debt. This is an intangible. It's not even "Monopoly money". It's "J" dollars. If you don't know what that means, ask Trish. She can "quantumizify" it for you better than me.