A Question For The Girls

[nysprod]

I was looking around and found this on a provider's site:

DEFINITELY NOT LOOKING TO HOOK UP WITH ANY MAN THAT REFERS TO ME AS A T-GURL. I FIND THIS SO INSULTING AND DEMEANING AS IF I AM A LESS OF OR A SECOND RATE WOMAN. HOW DEGRADING USING A WORD THAT IMPLIES GUY AND GIRL TOGETHER. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TRANS WOMAN WOULD ALLOW ANYONE TO TALK TO THEM THIS WAY It's BEYOND COMPREHENSION. I AM ALL WOMAN HERE NO DOUBT ABOUT .IF YOU WANT TO CONNECT WITH ME YOU REFER TO ME AS THE WOMAN OR GIRL THAT I AM. SPELL IT OUT RIGHT! AND HONOR ME AS A GODDESS.

By no means am I judging this in any way and if I were to be with this person, I would certainly respect her request. But I'm curious to see if you women have the same feelings in this regard.

Ladies?

[Wendy Summers]

I was looking around and found this on a provider's site:

DEFINITELY NOT LOOKING TO HOOK UP WITH ANY MAN THAT REFERS TO ME AS A T-GURL. I FIND THIS SO INSULTING AND DEMEANING AS IF I AM A LESS OF OR A SECOND RATE WOMAN. HOW DEGRADING USING A WORD THAT IMPLIES GUY AND GIRL TOGETHER. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TRANS WOMAN WOULD ALLOW ANYONE TO TALK TO THEM THIS WAY It's BEYOND COMPREHENSION. I AM ALL WOMAN HERE NO DOUBT ABOUT .IF YOU WANT TO CONNECT WITH ME YOU REFER TO ME AS THE WOMAN OR GIRL THAT I AM. SPELL IT OUT RIGHT! AND HONOR ME AS A GODDESS.

By no means am I judging this in any way and if I were to be with this person, I would certainly respect her request. But I'm curious to see if you women have the same feelings in this regard.

Ladies?

Personally I'm sort of laid back with the whole label thing, but I know many TS women who feel this way. IMO, "A rose by any other name"

[TempestTS]

Im comfortable with nearly all trans terms as long as they are said with respect - its the intent not the words that count - I am not the label anyone puts on me and I will not be defined by mere numbers or letters

[nysprod]

Personally I'm sort of laid back with the whole label thing, but I know many TS women who feel this way. IMO, "A rose by any other name"
Definitely not surprised to see you're the laid back type, Wendy

[nysprod]

Im comfortable with nearly all trans terms as long as they are said with respect - its the intent not the words that count - I am not the label anyone puts on me and I will not be defined by mere numbers or letters
"Gender Outlaw"...that's cool!

[GroobyKrissy]

Personally, I say if you're a Provider, you should be happy with having the business.

Let me be clear in saying that I have no problems with anyone being a provider and I think it is a valid profession. However, to be a provider and then talk about word usage as 'degrading' is somewhat ironic, no?

[nysprod]

Personally, I say if you're a Provider, you should be happy with having the business.

Let me be clear in saying that I have no problems with anyone being a provider and I think it is a valid profession. However, to be a provider and then talk about word usage as 'degrading' is somewhat ironic, no?
So what you're implying is that providers should just accept being degraded and be happy to have some business?

[amberskyi]

Personally, I say if you're a Provider, you should be happy with having the business.

Let me be clear in saying that I have no problems with anyone being a provider and I think it is a valid profession. However, to be a provider and then talk about word usage as 'degrading' is somewhat ironic, no?

actually no its not ironic,i personally dont share this ladies opinion on that particular word.what i do find offensive is some peoples way of think regarding escorts.
just because i sell sex for a living doesnt mean i lose all my sense of boundaries,sense of self or sense of self respect.what you might find degrading isnt going to be the same as someone else.

[amberskyi]

on topic: the only words i really take offense to is shemale and tranny. im am aware of what industry i work in tho and im more tolerant to it in that regard.
however i have no tolerance for those words socially.calling me a tranny or shemale is a very quick way for you to be dismissed and ignored

[SammiValentine]

I was looking around and found this on a provider's site:

DEFINITELY NOT LOOKING TO HOOK UP WITH ANY MAN THAT REFERS TO ME AS A T-GURL. I FIND THIS SO INSULTING AND DEMEANING AS IF I AM A LESS OF OR A SECOND RATE WOMAN. HOW DEGRADING USING A WORD THAT IMPLIES GUY AND GIRL TOGETHER. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TRANS WOMAN WOULD ALLOW ANYONE TO TALK TO THEM THIS WAY It's BEYOND COMPREHENSION. I AM ALL WOMAN HERE NO DOUBT ABOUT .IF YOU WANT TO CONNECT WITH ME YOU REFER TO ME AS THE WOMAN OR GIRL THAT I AM. SPELL IT OUT RIGHT! AND HONOR ME AS A GODDESS.

By no means am I judging this in any way and if I were to be with this person, I would certainly respect her request. But I'm curious to see if you women have the same feelings in this regard.

Ladies?


Sounds like she is trying to convince herself more than the readers. Also the caps lock key appears to be broken.

[Wendy Summers]

Also the caps lock key appears to be broken.


:iagree::iagree::iagree::werd:

[GroobyKrissy]

So what you're implying is that providers should just accept being degraded and be happy to have some business?

No, but what I am now clearly saying is that you have no reading comprehension skills. My first statement is humor with bite of truth. Most providers these days would be happy to have business at all and probably put up with a lot more 'crap' than they would at better times.

What I clearly stated is that I think being a provider is a valid profession (i.e. - honorable). I even went out of my way to state that.

What is ironic is that most providers, in the course of their work, probably accept being called far more degrading terms as 'part of business'... terms that, generally speaking, are perhaps considered far more degrading. Use your imagination... they aren't difficult to come up with. Also generally speaking, most women would find being a provider in and of itself, degrading. I don't. I already stated that.

Read... and comprehend.

[GroobyKrissy]

actually no its not ironic,i personally dont share this ladies opinion on that particular word.what i do find offensive is some peoples way of think regarding escorts.
just because i sell sex for a living doesnt mean i lose all my sense of boundaries,sense of self or sense of self respect.what you might find degrading isnt going to be the same as someone else.

Read my reply to @nysprod. Not at all what I was saying.

[nysprod]

actually no its not ironic,i personally dont share this ladies opinion on that particular word.what i do find offensive is some peoples way of think regarding escorts.
just because i sell sex for a living doesnt mean i lose all my sense of boundaries,sense of self or sense of self respect.what you might find degrading isnt going to be the same as someone else.
Good points Amber, especially regarding self respect. On the other hand, seeing an escort is kind of like going to a fantasy land..."degrading" might be part of that fantasy. I might want to degrade and there are times I want it done to me.
That being said, "real life" is a different matter.

[amberskyi]

Good points Amber, especially regarding self respect. On the other hand, seeing an escort is kind of like going to a fantasy land..."degrading" might be part of that fantasy. I might want to degrade and there are times I want it done to me.
That being said, "real life" is a different matter.

degradation is not a service i provide.im the girl next door lol, gfe is my thing

[nysprod]

No, but what I am now clearly saying is that you have no reading comprehension skills. My first statement is humor with bite of truth. Most providers these days would be happy to have business at all and probably put up with a lot more 'crap' than they would at better times.

What I clearly stated is that I think being a provider is a valid profession (i.e. - honorable). I even went out of my way to state that.

What is ironic is that most providers, in the course of their work, probably accept being called far more degrading terms as 'part of business'... terms that, generally speaking, are perhaps considered far more degrading. Use your imagination... they aren't difficult to come up with. Also generally speaking, most women would find being a provider in and of itself, degrading. I don't. I already stated that.

Read... and comprehend.
When you say " However, to be a provider and then talk about word usage as 'degrading' is somewhat ironic, no?" it can only mean you think that providers should accept being degraded and not complain about how they are referred to because to do otherwise runs the risk of being "ironic."
So, you need to read what you write.

[SammiValentine]

When you say " However, to be a provider and then talk about word usage as 'degrading' is somewhat ironic, no?" it can only mean you think that providers should accept being degraded and not complain about how they are referred to because to do otherwise runs the risk of being "ironic."
So, you need to read what you write.

It can me several things if you think about it, there are that many I am not even going to start listing them.

[GroobyKrissy]

When you say " However, to be a provider and then talk about word usage as 'degrading' is somewhat ironic, no?" it can only mean you think that providers should accept being degraded and not complain about how they are referred to because to do otherwise runs the risk of being "ironic."
So, you need to read what you write.

Seriously? I cannot believe I need to explain this.

It was a QUESTION... hence the QUESTION MARK. It was not a statement of purpose or fact... a QUESTION for the purpose of furthering dialogue. Something that I tend to like every so often.

I don't think anyone that actually knows me from this board believes that I have the attitude that providers should "...just accept being degraded".

Good grief. I get it, you're all sensitive and stuff and you stand up for women's rights. You said the right things and you got a pat on the back for it. But please.

Don't put words into my mouth or twist them into something I didn't say in order to prove your poorly communicated point. You're on the wrong side of logic here.

[nysprod]

Seriously? I cannot believe I need to explain this.

It was a QUESTION... hence the QUESTION MARK. It was not a statement of purpose or fact... a QUESTION for the purpose of furthering dialogue. Something that I tend to like every so often.

I don't think anyone that actually knows me from this board believes that I have the attitude that providers should "...just accept being degraded".

Good grief. I get it, you're all sensitive and stuff and you stand up for women's rights. You said the right things and you got a pat on the back for it. But please.

Don't put words into my mouth or twist them into something I didn't say in order to prove your poorly communicated point. You're on the wrong side of logic here.
I'll accept what you're saying however, when you make a statement and end it with "no?" your are being rhetorical.

[GroobyKrissy]

I'll accept what you're saying however, when you make a statement and end it with "no?" your are being rhetorical.

Not necessarily, but whatever. This is a stupid argument, no?

[GrimFusion]

What is ironic is that most providers, in the course of their work, probably accept being called far more degrading terms as 'part of business'... terms that, generally speaking, are perhaps considered far more degrading. Use your imagination... they aren't difficult to come up with. Also generally speaking, most women would find being a provider in and of itself, degrading. I don't. I already stated that.

The reason your post was rightfully misinterpreted is because there's no bit of irony involved. In this case, "irony" is simply a poor choice of vocabulary which would lead most readers to think that your opinion is dubious at best. Obviously, that wasn't your intention, but I think you may be sticking to your guns a little too fiercely when claiming other users simply have low reading comprehension skills instead of fessing-up to a simple mistake. Nobody is going to think any less of you just because you misused the word 'ironic'. That would be super stupid.

[GroobyKrissy]

The reason your post was rightfully misinterpreted is because there's no bit of irony involved. In this case, "irony" is simply a poor choice of vocabulary which would lead most readers to think that your opinion is dubious at best. Obviously, that wasn't your intention, but I think you may be sticking to your guns a little too fiercely when claiming other users simply have low reading comprehension skills instead of fessing-up to a simple mistake. Nobody is going to think any less of you just because you misused the word 'ironic'. That would be super stupid.

Good lord. Here we go again. I am not having this stupid conversation with your high-and-mighty-all-important-stuff.

I used the term correctly. It IS ironic that a person complaining about being degraded by a term being used to describe them is themselves, by profession, probably called worse or equally worse things on a daily (assuming business is good) basis.

THAT IS IRONY.

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[GrimFusion]

"dubious" isn't the right word choice. Adverse is probably a better substitution.
I totally did that on purpose to prove a point. :whistle:

[nysprod]

In any event, I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of people here are not into degrading, unless it's within a two consenting adults context...I, for one, have definitely consented...lol

[GroobyKrissy]

The reason your post was rightfully misinterpreted is because there's no bit of irony involved. In this case, "irony" is simply a poor choice of vocabulary which would lead most readers to think that your opinion is dubious at best. Obviously, that wasn't your intention, but I think you may be sticking to your guns a little too fiercely when claiming other users simply have low reading comprehension skills instead of fessing-up to a simple mistake. Nobody is going to think any less of you just because you misused the word 'ironic'. That would be super stupid.

You don't know what you're talking about, and clearly, your reading comprehension skills don't quite match your over-sized ego. I hate when people do this but just to further prove the point, I will walk you through this step by step:

WIKIPEDIA: (emphasis mine)
Henry Watson Fowler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Watson_Fowler), in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King%27s_English, says "any definition of irony—though hundreds might be given, and very few of them would be accepted—must include this, that the surface meaning and the underlying meaning of what is said are not the same." Also, Eric Partridge, in Eric Partridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Partridge), writes that "Irony consists in stating the contrary of what is meant."

So, this person is stating that they have a problem with the term "T-Gurl" because they find it insulting, demeaning, and degrading (the surface meaning). Yet, they are advertising for and engaging in a profession (Provider) that, generally speaking, most people would find insulting, demeaning, and degrading in some capacity (contrary to what was stated).

Further, most Providers engage routinely in some form of fantasy play (as already mentioned by @nysprod) that purposefully involves insulting, demeaning, and degrading terms used contextually. Again, ironic, given the original complaint.

But hey, "A" for effort.

[GrimFusion]

Good lord. Here we go again. I am not having this stupid conversation with your high-and-mighty-all-important-stuff.

I used the term correctly. It IS ironic that a person complaining about being degraded by a term being used to describe them is themselves, by profession, probably called worse or equally worse things on a daily (assuming business is good) basis.

THAT IS IRONY.

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I understand what you're trying to say. You're proposing that if an escort expects to be treated respectfully and isn't by the simple nature of her trade, her expectations are ironic. It's not ironic because every escort expects to be treated respectfully; that's not the opposite of normal expectation. It's not ironic because eventually some john will come along and disrespect her. That's not the opposite of normal expectation either. It's the expected and eventual behavior within the trade that makes this situation UNFORTUNATE, not ironic.

[GroobyKrissy]

I understand what you're trying to say. You're proposing that if an escort expects to be treated respectfully and isn't by the simple nature of her trade, her expectations are ironic. It's not ironic because every escort expects to be treated respectfully; that's not the opposite of normal expectation. It's not ironic because eventually some john will come along and disrespect her. That's not the opposite of normal expectation either. It's the expected and eventual behavior within the trade that makes this situation UNFORTUNATE, not ironic.

No. You do not understand and you're full of crap.

ANY observer to the original statement who understands what irony is, upon review, would find the original complaint full of irony. Clearly, you do not understand what irony is. You were trying to play 'gotcha' and ended up making a fool of yourself.

The treatment of the person in question isn't germane to the conversation regarding irony at all, nor did I say it was. It is not the treatment, it is the perception. Irony is about perceptions, and that is a clear misunderstanding on your part. It has nothing to do with actions.

This person perceives being called a 'T-gurl' as degrading. Others perceive what she does and engages in as degrading. That is what makes it ironic.

If you were to follow your line of reasoning about 'irony' out to its logical conclusion, then nothing would, in fact, BE ironic... It would simply be a case of cause-and-effect.

I think you're so full of yourself and BS that you've become accustomed to the smell and no longer realize that it is you.

[be2378]

Women

[amberskyi]

No. You do not understand and you're full of crap.

ANY observer to the original statement who understands what irony is, upon review, would find the original complaint full of irony. Clearly, you do not understand what irony is. You were trying to play 'gotcha' and ended up making a fool of yourself.

The treatment of the person in question isn't germane to the conversation regarding irony at all, nor did I say it was. It is not the treatment, it is the perception. Irony is about perceptions, and that is a clear misunderstanding on your part. It has nothing to do with actions.

This person perceives being called a 'T-gurl' as degrading. Others perceive what she does and engages in as degrading. That is what makes it ironic.

If you were to follow your line of reasoning about 'irony' out to its logical conclusion, then nothing would, in fact, BE ironic... It would simply be a case of cause-and-effect.

I think you're so full of yourself and BS that you've become accustomed to the smell and no longer realize that it is you.

its not ironic because everyone is entitled to have there own opinion and feelings about what degrades them (regardless of what the majority of society may think).it is a personal thing after all.instead of sitting here arguing about it how about we just respect her or anybody wishes when it comes to what they perceive as respectful or disrespectful

[GroobyKrissy]

its not ironic because everyone is entitled to have there own opinion and feelings about what degrades them (regardless of what the majority of society may think).it is a personal thing after all.instead of sitting here arguing about it how about we just respect her or anybody wishes when it comes to what they perceive as respectful or disrespectful

Amberskyi,

I don't know you and I have nothing personal with you. Please do not interject yourself into this conversation regarding 'irony' that I'm having with Grim. Grim and I go back and forth like this, which is fine, and kind of amusing for me, however vitriolic it may seem. At the end of the day, disagreements are disagreements and they will always exist on sites such as this.

I don't think you have a very clear understanding about my original post or the actual definition of 'irony' either, but just ask around and you'll see that I agree with your point on respecting individuals, and practice such in daily life.

I dislike starting drama with other girls and I hope you don't take this post as such. Just let Grim and I (and anyone else) punch each other silly and enjoy the ride.

[amberskyi]

Amberskyi,

I don't know you and I have nothing personal with you. Please do not interject yourself into this conversation regarding 'irony' that I'm having with Grim. Grim and I go back and forth like this, which is fine, and kind of amusing for me, however vitriolic it may seem. At the end of the day, disagreements are disagreements and they will always exist on sites such as this.

I don't think you have a very clear understanding about my original post or the actual definition of 'irony' either, but just ask around and you'll see that I agree with your point on respecting individuals, and practice such in daily life.

I dislike starting drama with other girls and I hope you don't take this post as such. Just let Grim and I (and anyone else) punch each other silly and enjoy the ride.

im not interjecting myself into your conversation. im commenting on a post that peaked my interest on a PUBLIC FORUM.
everyone took your comment in a certain way so maybe its not us with the misunderstanding but you

[onmyknees]

Amberskyi,

I don't know you and I have nothing personal with you. Please do not interject yourself into this conversation regarding 'irony' that I'm having with Grim. Grim and I go back and forth like this, which is fine, and kind of amusing for me, however vitriolic it may seem. At the end of the day, disagreements are disagreements and they will always exist on sites such as this.

I don't think you have a very clear understanding about my original post or the actual definition of 'irony' either, but just ask around and you'll see that I agree with your point on respecting individuals, and practice such in daily life.

I dislike starting drama with other girls and I hope you don't take this post as such. Just let Grim and I (and anyone else) punch each other silly and enjoy the ride.

I enjoy reading your back and forth with Grim....the subject matter may not be all that weighty, but I like a little passion with the discussion.....It's actually refreshing compared to some of the groveling that goes on here..but it's not at all vitriolic. Some of the knock down drag outs I had with Nicole...that was vitriolic....speaking of ND...I miss her in a twisted sorta way !

[GroobyKrissy]

im not interjecting myself into your conversation. im commenting on a post that peaked my interest on a PUBLIC FORUM.
everyone took your comment in a certain way so maybe its not us with the misunderstanding but you

You quoted something I said, and therefore ARE interjecting yourself into a conversation. But anyway, fine.

I am not the one misunderstanding what I have written. I think I've laid out a pretty good line of reasoning to DISPUTE the MISREPRESENTATIONS of what I originally stated, which was partially in humor. I don't have a problem with people misunderstanding as I didn't really give it a very good effort as far as the humor goes.

Since then though, it has been mis-representation after mis-representation, including yourself.

As anyone does, I dislike having something I said taken out of context and incorrectly construed... which you've done.

You DON'T UNDERSTAND what 'IRONY' is and therefore, should not comment on it.

I already conceded and agree that people should be treated with respect, regardless of the silliness in their points. I'm not sure why you're trying to argue a point that is already lost. I could pick apart what you've stated already but I've a feeling that is only going to end up in bad blood between you and I, so I won't.

Interject away and I won't comment.

[amberskyi]

bad blood?? hun this is the internet,cant have bad blood over people i dont know lol.

[robertlouis]

I note that Grim and Krissy both live in Portland Oregon.

Go on boy, take her some flowers then kiss and make up......

[GroobyKrissy]

I note that Grim and Krissy both live in Portland Oregon.

Go on boy, take her some flowers then kiss and make up......

Not going to happen. Ever. Period.

[tsadriana]

:mad:I drink only friday an saturday

[Willie Escalade]

:mad:I drink only friday an saturday
I don't drink at all...:whistle:

[robertlouis]

Not going to happen. Ever. Period.

I'm shit at matchmaking.

[Queens Guy]

I was looking around and found this on a provider's site:

DEFINITELY NOT LOOKING TO HOOK UP WITH ANY MAN THAT REFERS TO ME AS A T-GURL. I FIND THIS SO INSULTING AND DEMEANING AS IF I AM A LESS OF OR A SECOND RATE WOMAN. HOW DEGRADING USING A WORD THAT IMPLIES GUY AND GIRL TOGETHER. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TRANS WOMAN WOULD ALLOW ANYONE TO TALK TO THEM THIS WAY It's BEYOND COMPREHENSION. I AM ALL WOMAN HERE NO DOUBT ABOUT .IF YOU WANT TO CONNECT WITH ME YOU REFER TO ME AS THE WOMAN OR GIRL THAT I AM. SPELL IT OUT RIGHT! AND HONOR ME AS A GODDESS.

By no means am I judging this in any way and if I were to be with this person, I would certainly respect her request. But I'm curious to see if you women have the same feelings in this regard.

Ladies?

So getting back to the original post.

What terms do the girls like and dislike?

Amber votes 'no' to Shemale and Tranny.

How about T-Girl?
T-Gurl?
TG?
Transsexual?
Transgender?


Others?

[GroobyKrissy]

I'm shit at matchmaking.

Awww... Now if Grim were to bring me a pussy, then I might be persuaded to make nice. But it would have to be a very cute pussy.

That is such a cute picture :)

[robertlouis]

Awww... Now if Grim were to bring me a pussy, then I might be persuaded to make nice. But it would have to be a very cute pussy.

That is such a cute picture :)

Just for you then Krissy - here's a pic of my own kitty, Henry, when he was younger. How's that for cute?

[tsadriana]

Well is not dislike but some guys call ur pennis a clit and i find it really comical.And the bumhole a cunt ...heheheh

[GroobyKrissy]

Just for you then Krissy - here's a pic of my own kitty, Henry, when he was younger. How's that for cute?

SOOO cute!

I love black cats. There is this black cat that hangs around where I live. No collar so I think it is a stray. Every AM though it is sitting there when I go out, just watching me with these beautiful green eyes.

Cats are just great for those cold, wintry Pacific Northwest nights. Unfortunately, my dog would probably shred any cat that stepped foot in my place!

[robertlouis]

SOOO cute!

I love black cats. There is this black cat that hangs around where I live. No collar so I think it is a stray. Every AM though it is sitting there when I go out, just watching me with these beautiful green eyes.

Cats are just great for those cold, wintry Pacific Northwest nights. Unfortunately, my dog would probably shred any cat that stepped foot in my place!

Henry has managed to "lose" three collars so far, so I've given up. Cats are like that.

[nysprod]

While we're (kind of) on the subject, what do you guys think of being called "tranny chaser"? Do you girls use the term and if so, do you mean it as derogatory?

[tsadriana]

I never call a guy tranny chaser but if chase more girls i will call hi m a man slut:mad::mad::mad:

[Chaos]

While we're (kind of) on the subject, what do you guys think of being called "tranny chaser"?

I think it's ridiculous. It is derogatory to the person being called that AND the person using the term. I had a girl call me that once.....I politely informed her that she was the one I was "chasing" and she wanted people to call her a girl not a tranny or Tgirl or anything else....
By calling me a Tranny Chaser she was calling herself something she didn't want anyone calling her.....And respect goes BOTH ways. I never did get a date but I did get a modicum of respect from the board and her.

[danthepoetman]

I was looking around and found this on a provider's site:

DEFINITELY NOT LOOKING TO HOOK UP WITH ANY MAN THAT REFERS TO ME AS A T-GURL. I FIND THIS SO INSULTING AND DEMEANING AS IF I AM A LESS OF OR A SECOND RATE WOMAN. HOW DEGRADING USING A WORD THAT IMPLIES GUY AND GIRL TOGETHER. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TRANS WOMAN WOULD ALLOW ANYONE TO TALK TO THEM THIS WAY It's BEYOND COMPREHENSION. I AM ALL WOMAN HERE NO DOUBT ABOUT .IF YOU WANT TO CONNECT WITH ME YOU REFER TO ME AS THE WOMAN OR GIRL THAT I AM. SPELL IT OUT RIGHT! AND HONOR ME AS A GODDESS.

By no means am I judging this in any way and if I were to be with this person, I would certainly respect her request. But I'm curious to see if you women have the same feelings in this regard.

Ladies?
I agree with this lady’s statement. Transsexual women ARE women and there’s no way around it as far as I’m concerned. I use the term sometimes myself, but only and purely for practical reasons, i.e. to be understood when it seems necessary for me to make a distinction. We all know from what we’re being told the amount of pain transsexual women go through, and we witness how difficult it is to for them to get psychologically and physically to a point of reconciliation. The least we can do is to not make those hardships harder. Besides, there is ample human and biological data to support the claim t-women make that they can only have such a feelings about their gender.

As to the “tranny chasers” term, although I think we shouldn’t open that Pandora box, I was a little shook, when I arrived on this site, a few months ago, to find it used so often. But as I listened and understood better the context in which it is used by girls, the reasons why it is, and as I read many of the guy’s posts, I frankly came to accept it a little more now as a somewhat proper qualifying term, in many occurrences.

[nysprod]

I agree with this lady’s statement. Transsexual women ARE women and there’s no way around it as far as I’m concerned. I use the term sometimes myself, but only and purely for practical reasons, i.e. to be understood when it seems necessary for me to make a distinction. We all know from what we’re being told the amount of pain transsexual women go through, and we witness how difficult it is to for them to get psychologically and physically to a point of reconciliation. The least we can do is to not make those hardships harder. Besides, there is ample human and biological data to support the claim t-women make that they can only have such a feelings about their gender.

As to the “tranny chasers” term, although I think we shouldn’t open that Pandora box, I was a little shook, when I arrived on this site, a few months ago, to find it used so often. But as I listened and understood better the context in which it is used by girls, the reasons why it is, and as I read many of the guy’s posts, I frankly came to accept it a little more now as a somewhat proper qualifying term, in many occurrences.

I was kind of waiting for someone to say this...I'm personally into the TS lifestyle and I'm totally about GLBT rights, and everyone's rights, but TS Girls are not women. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way at all, just a statement of what should be an obvious fact.

I mean, I'd like to be a professional golfer earning millions on tour. Now, I can dress like one, act like one, use the same equipment as they do, etc. but when the moment of truth comes and I hit the ball, it will become immediately apparent that I am not a tour pro despite all my attempts to appear as one.

I think it comes down to a question of being comfortable with who you are. TGirls are TGirls, and they should be happy with that. I still play golf, just not on courses as difficult as those played by tour pros because easier courses suit my skill level, and I'm happy with that.

[Jericho]

Well is not dislike but some guys call ur pennis a clit and i find it really comical.And the bumhole a cunt ...heheheh


Clit, clitty, clitty pole...SHUDDER!
Beyond comical! :hide-1:

[nysprod]

I never call a guy tranny chaser but if chase more girls i will call hi m a man slut:mad::mad::mad:

Slut for life and proud of it.

[danthepoetman]

I was kind of waiting for someone to say this...I'm personally into the TS lifestyle and I'm totally about GLBT rights, and everyone's rights, but TS Girls are not women. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way at all, just a statement of what should be an obvious fact.

I mean, I'd like to be a professional golfer earning millions on tour. Now, I can dress like one, act like one, use the same equipment as they do, etc. but when the moment of truth comes and I hit the ball, it will become immediately apparent that I am not a tour pro despite all my attempts to appear as one.

I think it comes down to a question of being comfortable with who you are. TGirls are TGirls, and they should be happy with that. I still play golf, just not on courses as difficult as those played by tour pros because easier courses suit my skill level, and I'm happy with that.
Transsexuality is a biological condition in which a person has a different gender identity than the genetic sex she/he was born in. It’s not a third option or something, which they should accept and should be happy with… Not by any standard a “Hey! you were born like that so deal with it or else you’re a looser!” type of thing… Talking about identity is talking about the brain and indeed, several studies so far have shown that many particularities of a part of the brain, in the hypothalamic region, which is an important part of the brain when it comes to bodily functions, sexual functions, etc. is similar between transsexual women and genetic women, and dissimilar to that of men.
Moreover, t-women look like women, have the hormones of women, feelings of women (down to the most annoying for us guys, by the way, if you haven’t noticed on this board), bodily characteristics of women, etc. THEY ARE WOMEN! A penis doesn’t make a person. It’s just a turgescence. Your sexual identity is within you, not in a particular part of your anatomy…

[nysprod]

Transsexuality is a biological condition in which a person has a different gender identity than the genetic sex she/he was born in. It’s not a third option or something, which they should accept and should be happy with… Not by any standard a “Hey! you were born like that so deal with it or else you’re a looser!” type of thing… Talking about identity is talking about the brain and indeed, several studies so far have shown that many particularities of a part of the brain, in the hypothalamic region, which is an important part of the brain when it comes to bodily functions, sexual functions, etc. is similar between transsexual women and genetic women, and dissimilar to that of men.
Moreover, t-women look like women, have the hormones of women, feelings of women (down to the most annoying for us guys, by the way, if you haven’t noticed on this board), bodily characteristics of women, etc. THEY ARE WOMEN! A penis doesn’t make a person. It’s just a turgescence. Your sexual identity is within you, not in a particular part of your anatomy…

I respect but you're saying, but there is no science now that fully explains hetero, homo or trans sexuality, and there's no way to say at this time that "transsexuality is a biological condition," because there's no science to support that definitively.

Males and females both produce androgens, estrogen and lutropin, but they act very differently on the body depending on the "equipment" on board. For example, lutropin is one factor in triggering testosterone production in males, but in females it stimulates ovulation, which obviously cannot happen in transgendered (M to F) persons.

And speaking of anatomy, while I agree it need not determine one's own sexual identity, it certainly delineates reproductive functionality, hence the difference between male and female.

[GrimFusion]

No. You do not understand and you're full of crap.

ANY observer to the original statement who understands what irony is, upon review, would find the original complaint full of irony. Clearly, you do not understand what irony is. You were trying to play 'gotcha' and ended up making a fool of yourself.

The treatment of the person in question isn't germane to the conversation regarding irony at all, nor did I say it was. It is not the treatment, it is the perception. Irony is about perceptions, and that is a clear misunderstanding on your part. It has nothing to do with actions.

This person perceives being called a 'T-gurl' as degrading. Others perceive what she does and engages in as degrading. That is what makes it ironic.

If you were to follow your line of reasoning about 'irony' out to its logical conclusion, then nothing would, in fact, BE ironic... It would simply be a case of cause-and-effect.

I think you're so full of yourself and BS that you've become accustomed to the smell and no longer realize that it is you.

I still don't agree with you. Irony is the incongruity between reality and the normal or expected reality. The way you've described irony makes it seem completely interchangeable with sarcasm, and while the two words are fairly close in definition, they are not interchangeable which means that the true definition of irony must somehow be more specific than the one you've given.


its not ironic because everyone is entitled to have there own opinion and feelings about what degrades them (regardless of what the majority of society may think).it is a personal thing after all.instead of sitting here arguing about it how about we just respect her or anybody wishes when it comes to what they perceive as respectful or disrespectful
Amber has a point. It's not that no opinion is ironic, but rather that the provider CAN HAVE that opinion without challenging the expectation that being a provider is generally accepted as demeaning. The provider can refuse to accept disrespect from her clients and still be disrespected anyway. In other words, there's no difference between reality and expected reality. No irony.

[GrimFusion]

Not going to happen. Ever. Period.
Ditto. If we argue this much online, I wouldn't want to know how we interact in real life. No thanks.



I enjoy reading your back and forth with Grim....the subject matter may not be all that weighty, but I like a little passion with the discussion.....It's actually refreshing compared to some of the groveling that goes on here..but it's not at all vitriolic. Some of the knock down drag outs I had with Nicole...that was vitriolic....speaking of ND...I miss her in a twisted sorta way !
Honestly, I kinda miss her too. She's settled down quite a bit over the years though.

[danthepoetman]

I respect but you're saying, but there is no science now that fully explains hetero, homo or trans sexuality, and there's no way to say at this time that "transsexuality is a biological condition," because there's no science to support that definitively.
Yes, there is. It’s not all entirely conclusive so far indeed, but there is very strong indication that the difference is biological. Besides, as I’ve alluded to, the behavioural reports on the subject shows determinations that goes back so far in transsexual’s lives, so far in childhood, that the hypothesis of a sociological origin of the condition is absurd. I direct you to some studies:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html
http://www.genderpsychology.org/psychology/BSTc.html
http://saladbingo.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/breakthrough-in-transsexual-brain-studies/
What you’ve said is that transsexuals are not women, which is false and absurd. I’m not going to spend time trying to explain to you what transsexuality is: why don’t you try to inform yourself a little? Information on the topic in everywhere on the Net…
Besides, none of this has anything to do whatsoever with sexual orientation and mixing the two topics is completely ridiculous.


and females both produce androgens, estrogen and lutropin, but they act very differently on the body depending on the "equipment" on board. For example, lutropin is one factor in triggering testosterone production in males, but in females it stimulates ovulation, which obviously cannot happen in transgendered (M to F) persons.
You know perfectly what I’m talking about and you talk as if you didn’t. Hormone Replacement Therapy combines estrogens and androgen blockers to produce a feminine metabolic hormonal state.


speaking of anatomy, while I agree it need not determine one's own sexual identity, it certainly delineates reproductive functionality, hence the difference between male and female.
T-women ARE NOT MALES. Once again what you’re suggesting here is that t-women are not women, which in all logic, makes of everyone here gay men, of t-women guys in dresses and of all of us who appreciate them a bunch of gay guys… I totally resent that! and I totally resent what you’re saying about transsexual women! Why don’t you try suggesting that to any of the girl around here, buddy?

Even if transsexuality didn’t have any kind of positive basis, you are here on a board where women who strongly feel about their gender identity being feminine presents themselves to us to exchange with us and interact, women who suffer tremendous social pressure and who have to fight every day to affirm their right to call themselves women, the very least you could do, man, would be to call them the way they want to call themselves, don’t you think? This is a transsexual fan board, you don’t think that by not showing this basic respect for them you are being an asshole?

[nysprod]

T-women ARE NOT MALES. Once again what you’re suggesting here is that t-women are not women, which in all logic, makes of everyone here gay men, of t-women guys in dresses and of all of us who appreciate them a bunch of gay guys… I totally resent that! and I totally resent what you’re saying about transsexual women! Why don’t you try suggesting that to any of the girl around here, buddy?

So it isn't about whether TGirls are women, it's more about you not liking the perception that you'll be seen as gay...so my question is, what's wrong with being gay?

Again, I have no problem with GLBT...I'm into the TGirl lifestyle so there's no need for you to make it about that...whether that makes me gay or not in someone's eyes really is of no concern to me...if a TGirl chooses to identify herself as a woman, that's their choice and I respect that.

TGirls certainly are feminine but they simply don't have the biological capacity to be a woman (or female, if you prefer). To go back to my golf analogy, I can identify myself as a tour pro all I want, but the fact is that I don't possess the physical skill set necessary to actually be one.

[GroobyKrissy]

I still don't agree with you. Irony is the incongruity between reality and the normal or expected reality. The way you've described irony makes it seem completely interchangeable with sarcasm, and while the two words are fairly close in definition, they are not interchangeable which means that the true definition of irony must somehow be more specific than the one you've given.


Amber has a point. It's not that no opinion is ironic, but rather that the provider CAN HAVE that opinion without challenging the expectation that being a provider is generally accepted as demeaning. The provider can refuse to accept disrespect from her clients and still be disrespected anyway. In other words, there's no difference between reality and expected reality. No irony.

Good grief.

It is this arrogance that you demonstrate that I find so incredibly unattractive about you. Even in the light of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you cannot see that your over-hyped, self-inflated opinion is incorrect.

First you state that you don't agree with me, and then you give a definition of irony (which isn't quite correct - but will serve for this purpose) in the very next sentence that is EXACTLY what I'm describing. Again... a walkthrough just for you.

1. This person's REALITY is that they are being called "T-gurl" and find that to be insulting, demeaning, and degrading. Any argument on that?

2. The incongruity exists between this person's REALITY (defined above) and the "NORMAL" or "EXPECTED REALITY" because:

a. Generally speaking (normal), the perception of the profession "Provider" is considered to be insulting, demeaning, and degrading. Which is why calling someone a 'whore', 'prostitute', 'hooker', and etc. is generally considered to be derogatory (expected reality).

b. Within the confines of the person's profession of Provider, which she is advocating by direct interaction (advertising), it is generally accepted (normal) practice to engage in 'dirty' or 'pillow' talk. This is most likely includes words such as, 'slut', 'bitch', 'cunt', and etc. etc. Generally speaking (normal) these words are again, considered to be insulting, demeaning, and degrading (expected reality).

Thus, it is, in fact, IRONIC that this person is complaining about a term while (probably) engaging in actions, and (probably) letting people identify her in other terms that are, in fact, also (generally speaking) insulting, demeaning, and degrading. That is incongruous.

Your own stated definition of irony, explained to you. You're welcome. Speaking of sarcasm...

Sarcasm is a REACTION to an opinion or fact. Irony is a STATE OF BEING. Agreed, the two can be similar but are not the same. Where did I describe irony as to be completely interchangeable with sarcasm? Pretty sure I never equated the two in any respect. Please find me a quote. It is your more vague definition of irony that would allow the two to be equated more than the one I posted. In point of fact, I even stated that the outside reactions had no bearing on the state of irony in this example.

Your stated definition is MORE VAGUE than mine, and would basically allow that Alanis Morissette's song, Ironic is actually filled with irony. While being pretty and containing witty lines, most people who actually have dissected the song agree that there is very little actual irony contained in that song. It is not enough that something be 'incongruous' as you stated, to be ironic. There must also be 'meaning' directly implied somewhere. Your stated definition misses that point, which completely changes the definition of the word into something it isn't.

[danthepoetman]

So it isn't about whether TGirls are women, it's more about you not liking the perception that you'll be seen as gay...so my question is, what's wrong with being gay?

Again, I have no problem with GLBT...I'm into the TGirl lifestyle so there's no need for you to make it about that...whether that makes me gay or not in someone's eyes really is of no concern to me...if a TGirl chooses to identify herself as a woman, that's their choice and I respect that.

TGirls certainly are feminine but they simply don't have the biological capacity to be a woman (or female, if you prefer). To go back to my golf analogy, I can identify myself as a tour pro all I want, but the fact is that I don't possess the physical skill set necessary to actually be one.
So, in the end, you just stand by what you’re saying, that t-women are not women, that consequently they’re gay men in skirts (by any logic), that we are all gays on this forum, and that the only potential problem with all of this is that I or someone else might be offended to be called gay? That’s a very deep view.
And as I was saying, these people want to be referred to as women in the most obvious way. They fight for that every day of their lives. What about basic respect and decency on your part? That’s also something you’re going to ignore? like any, every bit as basic, facts on the subject? all just because it’s the way you feel?
I’m not even going to spend more energy debating something so basic and obvious with you. It’s not worth it. But let me give you an advice: you’re on a forum dedicated to t-women; learn a little on the subject, because others will teach you on here, believe me.

[amberskyi]

So it isn't about whether TGirls are women, it's more about you not liking the perception that you'll be seen as gay...so my question is, what's wrong with being gay?

Again, I have no problem with GLBT...I'm into the TGirl lifestyle so there's no need for you to make it about that...whether that makes me gay or not in someone's eyes really is of no concern to me...if a TGirl chooses to identify herself as a woman, that's their choice and I respect that.

TGirls certainly are feminine but they simply don't have the biological capacity to be a woman (or female, if you prefer). To go back to my golf analogy, I can identify myself as a tour pro all I want, but the fact is that I don't possess the physical skill set necessary to actually be one.

i have no time for guys with this mentality.

[nysprod]

You're assuming that because I'm saying TGirls are not women, I'm saying they're men. But you can't make the logic jump...they're not men, they're TGirls. TGirls are not men in dresses either, they're TGirls. In the same way, they're not women, they're TGirls.

A gay man is into men, not TGirls...I'm not into men at all, I'm into TGirls, who aren't men, so I'm not gay. I'm into women also.

[danthepoetman]

On the other hand, I just want to repost these two interventions, mine and you’re original post, nysprod, with the quote you seem to have thought outrageous. I think that on the contrary you exemplify perfectly the reason why t-women think that way, and why I myself think they’re right to do so.

I was looking around and found this on a provider's site:
DEFINITELY NOT LOOKING TO HOOK UP WITH ANY MAN THAT REFERS TO ME AS A T-GURL. I FIND THIS SO INSULTING AND DEMEANING AS IF I AM A LESS OF OR A SECOND RATE WOMAN. HOW DEGRADING USING A WORD THAT IMPLIES GUY AND GIRL TOGETHER. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TRANS WOMAN WOULD ALLOW ANYONE TO TALK TO THEM THIS WAY It's BEYOND COMPREHENSION. I AM ALL WOMAN HERE NO DOUBT ABOUT .IF YOU WANT TO CONNECT WITH ME YOU REFER TO ME AS THE WOMAN OR GIRL THAT I AM. SPELL IT OUT RIGHT! AND HONOR ME AS A GODDESS.

By no means am I judging this in any way and if I were to be with this person, I would certainly respect her request. But I'm curious to see if you women have the same feelings in this regard.

Ladies?


I agree with this lady’s statement. Transsexual women ARE women and there’s no way around it as far as I’m concerned. I use the term sometimes myself, but only and purely for practical reasons, i.e. to be understood when it seems necessary for me to make a distinction. We all know from what we’re being told the amount of pain transsexual women go through, and we witness how difficult it is to for them to get psychologically and physically to a point of reconciliation. The least we can do is to not make those hardships harder. Besides, there is ample human and biological data to support the claim t-women make that they can only have such a feelings about their gender.

As to the “tranny chasers” term, although I think we shouldn’t open that Pandora box, I was a little shook, when I arrived on this site, a few months ago, to find it used so often. But as I listened and understood better the context in which it is used by girls, the reasons why it is, and as I read many of the guy’s posts, I frankly came to accept it a little more now as a somewhat proper qualifying term, in many occurrences.
Besides, I would like to point out that you’re infringing the very rules of this board. You cannot imply that t-women are men on this board, which I repeat (the obvious) is a t-ladies fan board. Here’s an excerpt from Rule no. 1:
“Anybody found to be attacking any member for their personal lifestyle or sexual choices will be removed from the forum, anybody addressing a transgender as a "he" will be removed from the forum, anybody who has issues with persons because of their dating, relationship or sexual preferences with transgenders or others, may be removed from the forum.”
Are you getting the picture a little now?

[nysprod]

So, in the end, you just stand by what you’re saying, that t-women are not women, that consequently they’re gay men in skirts (by any logic), that we are all gays on this forum, and that the only potential problem with all of this is that I or someone else might be offended to be called gay? That’s a very deep view.
And as I was saying, these people want to be referred to as women in the most obvious way. They fight for that every day of their lives. What about basic respect and decency on your part? That’s also something you’re going to ignore? like any, every bit as basic, facts on the subject? all just because it’s the way you feel?
I’m not even going to spend more energy debating something so basic and obvious with you. It’s not worth it. But let me give you an advice: you’re on a forum dedicated to t-women; learn a little on the subject, because others will teach you on here, believe me.

I am not at all saying that...and I'm not even sure that TGirls want to be referred to as women but if one does, I already said I respect that. My saying that a TGirl is not a women doesn't mean I don't.

[nysprod]

On the other hand, I just want to repost these two interventions, mine and you’re original post, nysprod, with the quote you seem to have thought outrageous. I think that on the contrary you exemplify perfectly the reason why t-women think that way, and why I myself think they’re right to do so.



Besides, I would like to point out that you’re infringing the very rules of this board. You cannot imply that t-women are men on this board, which I repeat (the obvious) is a t-ladies fan board. Here’s an excerpt from Rule no. 1:
“Anybody found to be attacking any member for their personal lifestyle or sexual choices will be removed from the forum, anybody addressing a transgender as a "he" will be removed from the forum, anybody who has issues with persons because of their dating, relationship or sexual preferences with transgenders or others, may be removed from the forum.”
Are you getting the picture a little now?

OMG I am not implying that TGirls are men...they're not! They're TGirls!

[nysprod]

And I did not think what she wrote was outrageous at all! If she wants people to refer to her as a woman, I respect that. I only started the thread to get an idea of what other TGirls felt about the subject. That's all.

[jamiethewild]

You're assuming that because I'm saying TGirls are not women, I'm saying they're men. But you can't make the logic jump...they're not men, they're TGirls. TGirls are not men in dresses either, they're TGirls. In the same way, they're not women, they're TGirls.

A gay man is into men, not TGirls...I'm not into men at all, I'm into TGirls, who aren't men, so I'm not gay. I'm into women also.

CLEARLY your a cockhound and see us as a fetish :yayo:

[amberskyi]

You're assuming that because I'm saying TGirls are not women, I'm saying they're men. But you can't make the logic jump...they're not men, they're TGirls. TGirls are not men in dresses either, they're TGirls. In the same way, they're not women, they're TGirls.

A gay man is into men, not TGirls...I'm not into men at all, I'm into TGirls, who aren't men, so I'm not gay. I'm into women also.

do you know how disrespectful what your saying is to trans woman

[danthepoetman]

TGirls certainly are feminine but they simply don't have the biological capacity to be a woman (or female, if you prefer). To go back to my golf analogy, I can identify myself as a tour pro all I want, but the fact is that I don't possess the physical skill set necessary to actually be one.
This is your quote. And each and every one of your posts goes in the same direction and tend toward the same meaning. There is no t-Girl sex, nysprod. Only women and men, and t-women are fighting and suffering tremendously to be recognized as women. That’s not something difficult to understand. Once again, even if there wasn’t any kind of proof that transsexuality is a “real” condition (and nothing could be further from the truth), the basic most fundamental respect, simple decency, would call for you to name them according to their wish, wouldn’t it?
To me, this is just disgusting, and I’m not going to spend any more energy on it.

[jamiethewild]

I think any escort or any planning to be an escort in the business should have a thick skin and should expect any dumb comments or terms. Stupid naive morons exists. Some guys lack eduction, i swear!!! Cockhounds and chasers that can't see us no more than a fetish will always use terms as shemale, tranny, third gender, special girl etc etc. I always correct my clients the proper way to say to refer to a trans-woman. I personally don't like any so fuck those guys.

[nysprod]

“Anybody found to be attacking any member for their personal lifestyle or sexual choices will be removed from the forum." In no way am I doing this or did I mean to do this in any way.


Anybody addressing a transgender as a "he" will be removed from the forum. I have not referred to a transgender as a he at any time. As previously explained, you've made an erroneous jump in logic.

Anybody who has issues with persons because of their dating, relationship or sexual preferences with transgenders or others, may be removed from the forum.” I have no issues with any of the preceding.

Are you getting the picture a little now? Are you getting the picture a little now?

[nysprod]

do you know how disrespectful what your saying is to trans woman

Amber, I promise that is not my intent at all. If you feel disrespected, I apologize.

[nysprod]

This is your quote. And each and every one of your posts goes in the same direction and tend toward the same meaning. There is no t-Girl sex, nysprod. Only women and men, and t-women are fighting and suffering tremendously to be recognized as women. That’s not something difficult to understand. Once again, even if there wasn’t any kind of proof that transsexuality is a “real” condition (and nothing could be further from the truth), the basic most fundamental respect, simple decency, would call for you to name them according to their wish, wouldn’t it?
To me, this is just disgusting, and I’m not going to spend any more energy on it.

Maybe it's time to expand our horizons in thinking there are only men and women. And I will gladly refer to anyone on this forum exactly as they wish.

[nysprod]

I think any escort or any planning to be an escort in the business should have a thick skin and should expect any dumb comments or terms. Stupid naive morons exists. Some guys lack eduction, i swear!!! Cockhounds and chasers that can't see us no more than a fetish will always use terms as shemale, tranny, third gender, special girl etc etc. I always correct my clients the proper way to say to refer to a trans-woman. I personally don't like any so fuck those guys.

Ok, what is the way that you prefer?

[BigDF]

I was kind of waiting for someone to say this...I'm personally into the TS lifestyle and I'm totally about GLBT rights, and everyone's rights, but TS Girls are not women. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way at all, just a statement of what should be an obvious fact.

I mean, I'd like to be a professional golfer earning millions on tour. Now, I can dress like one, act like one, use the same equipment as they do, etc. but when the moment of truth comes and I hit the ball, it will become immediately apparent that I am not a tour pro despite all my attempts to appear as one.

I think it comes down to a question of being comfortable with who you are. TGirls are TGirls, and they should be happy with that. I still play golf, just not on courses as difficult as those played by tour pros because easier courses suit my skill level, and I'm happy with that.Brilliant! I can certainly see why you're so popular on here. You've boiled down the essence of being a woman based on their womb and ability to reproduce. Kind of curious what you're opinion is of a woman who cannot reproduce for whatever reason.

Your golf analogy is lame because although you may not have the skills to play at the professional level, you apparently have all of the equipment required for the game of golf.

Exactly why should anyone be happy with themselves on your say so? If you cannot just appreciate these ladies for who they are,then why come on this board at all and ask these questions? Why not go back to where you found the original post and ask the OP what her problem is, if you're so curious about this?

As far as I'm concerned I choose to celebrate and elevate anyone who tries to live their life as truly as these ladies are. I :Bowdown: to all of them.

[jamiethewild]

Ok, what is the way that you prefer?


None.

Your mentality is a chaser and a cockhound, you clearly stated that with your post. You can't see us past a special thing and you never will.

[jamiethewild]

Brilliant! I can certainly see why you're so popular on here. You've boiled down the essence of being a woman based on their womb and ability to reproduce. Kind of curious what you're opinion is of a woman who cannot reproduce for whatever reason.

Your golf analogy is lame because although you may not have the skills to play at the professional level, you apparently have all of the equipment required for the game of golf.

Exactly why should anyone be happy with themselves on your say so? If you cannot just appreciate these ladies for who they are,then why come on this board at all and ask these questions? Why not go back to where you found the original post and ask the OP what her problem is, if you're so curious about this?

As far as I'm concerned I choose to celebrate and elevate anyone who tries to live their life as truly as these ladies are. I :Bowdown: to all of them.

Love your post bigDF ;)

[nysprod]

Ok, look, this whole thing has gone in a direction it was never meant to go to. The only reason I posted the thread was to get reaction to what this provider wrote from some of the other girls. That's all.

[Chaos]

And I will gladly refer to anyone on this forum exactly as they wish.
I'm sure the girls will LOVE being patronized...

That may be your reason for the thread but you stated they are NOT women. What did you expect to happen?

[arena95]

Not going to happen. Ever. Period.

still......some signs of the good old screwball comedy here....:dancing:
they might get each other in the end! :party:

[GrimFusion]

Good grief.

It is this arrogance that you demonstrate that I find so incredibly unattractive about you. Even in the light of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you cannot see that your over-hyped, self-inflated opinion is incorrect.

First you state that you don't agree with me, and then you give a definition of irony (which isn't quite correct - but will serve for this purpose) in the very next sentence that is EXACTLY what I'm describing. Again... a walkthrough just for you.

1. This person's REALITY is that they are being called "T-gurl" and find that to be insulting, demeaning, and degrading. Any argument on that?

2. The incongruity exists between this person's REALITY (defined above) and the "NORMAL" or "EXPECTED REALITY" because:

a. Generally speaking (normal), the perception of the profession "Provider" is considered to be insulting, demeaning, and degrading. Which is why calling someone a 'whore', 'prostitute', 'hooker', and etc. is generally considered to be derogatory (expected reality).

b. Within the confines of the person's profession of Provider, which she is advocating by direct interaction (advertising), it is generally accepted (normal) practice to engage in 'dirty' or 'pillow' talk. This is most likely includes words such as, 'slut', 'bitch', 'cunt', and etc. etc. Generally speaking (normal) these words are again, considered to be insulting, demeaning, and degrading (expected reality).

Thus, it is, in fact, IRONIC that this person is complaining about a term while (probably) engaging in actions, and (probably) letting people identify her in other terms that are, in fact, also (generally speaking) insulting, demeaning, and degrading. That is incongruous.

Your own stated definition of irony, explained to you. You're welcome. Speaking of sarcasm...

Sarcasm is a REACTION to an opinion or fact. Irony is a STATE OF BEING. Agreed, the two can be similar but are not the same. Where did I describe irony as to be completely interchangeable with sarcasm? Pretty sure I never equated the two in any respect. Please find me a quote. It is your more vague definition of irony that would allow the two to be equated more than the one I posted. In point of fact, I even stated that the outside reactions had no bearing on the state of irony in this example.

Your stated definition is MORE VAGUE than mine, and would basically allow that Alanis Morissette's song, Ironic is actually filled with irony. While being pretty and containing witty lines, most people who actually have dissected the song agree that there is very little actual irony contained in that song. It is not enough that something be 'incongruous' as you stated, to be ironic. There must also be 'meaning' directly implied somewhere. Your stated definition misses that point, which completely changes the definition of the word into something it isn't.

Once again, it'd be irony if the provider was complaining about being disrespected in general. Not when complaining about one very particular type of disrespect. The latter doesn't necessitate an incongruity between her reality and generally perceived reality. If every one of her clients stopped calling her a t-girl, it wouldn't change the fact that being a provider is still generally degrading.

If the provider was complaining about being disrespected in any regard, your comment would have been very ironic. You just don't have enough information from the provider to make that claim.

[giovanni_hotel]

Honestly you should refer to any person you meet first and foremost by their NAME.
It's a bad idea to go around saying, 'this here's my friend Black Phil, White Pamela, Mexican Jimmy, biracial Thomas,'etc.

For purposes on this forum, shemale is generally offensive although most ladies here don't vocally make a big deal about it.

I either use a lady's name, TG/TS, tran-woman, transgendered and leave the rest alone.

Why be offensive when it's so easy not to be??
Back to the provider ad in the OP. This chick sounds like she has too many issues and I can't imagine she's all that much fun to be around.

[GroobyKrissy]

Once again, it'd be irony if the provider was complaining about being disrespected in general. Not when complaining about one very particular type of disrespect. The latter doesn't necessitate an incongruity between her reality and generally perceived reality. If every one of her clients stopped calling her a t-girl, it wouldn't change the fact that being a provider is still generally degrading.

If the provider was complaining about being disrespected in any regard, your comment would have been very ironic. You just don't have enough information from the provider to make that claim.

You're so stuck on yourself. Even when confronted with a clearly laid out argument based upon YOUR OWN definition, you still can't admit that you're wrong.

You're STILL trying to make irony about actions. It is not. As I've stated numerous times now, irony is a STATE OF BEING. Get that through your thick skull. The outside actions ("...clients stopped calling her a T-gurl...") are irrelevant. You don't MAKE something ironic. It either is, or it isn't. If you're making it happen, then it ceases to be ironic.

Hence this:

"Traffic jam, when you're already late..." not ironic. Bad timing, yes. Ironic, no.

"Death row pardon, two minutes too late..." not ironic. Bad timing, yes. Ironic, no.

"Rain on your wedding day..." not ironic. Unfortunate, yes. Ironic, no.

"Black fly in your chardonnay..." not ironic. Incongruous, yes. Ironic, no.

All of these would be classified as 'ironic' given your stated definition, which, like I said, is more vague than mine.

I can't explain this any more clearly than I already have. it is you who are incorrect here, and anyone with an understanding of irony would agree with me that the original post, is full of irony.

[loveboof]

Transsexual women ARE women and there’s no way around it as far as I’m concerned.

TS Girls are not women. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way at all, just a statement of what should be an obvious fact.


TGirls certainly are feminine but they simply don't have the biological capacity to be a woman (or female, if you prefer).

I get what he's saying; transsexuals are transsexuals! For all intents and purposes M2F transsexuals are women, but they are not actually women biologically.

That is why we differentiate between 'genetic women' (or gg's) on this site where our terminology is used interchangeably. It can get confusing and people inadvertently become offended.

But as Ricky Gervais said: "Just because someone is offended doesn't mean they are right".

That is something we could all very much benefit from on this forum! These days, everyone seems to think that being offended is the worst thing that can happen to you. We need to be protected from this horrible thing even if it means limiting our freedoms... fucking ridiculous!

We all just need to man/woman up! When did the world become such a sensitive place?

[christianxxx]

i am personally offended that i read this entire thread this morning and now i am bored senseless. Step your game up people!

[jamiethewild]

I get what he's saying; transsexuals are transsexuals! For all intents and purposes M2F transsexuals are women, but they are not actually women biologically.

That is why we differentiate between 'genetic women' (or gg's) on this site where our terminology is used interchangeably. It can get confusing and people inadvertently become offended.

But as Ricky Gervais said: "Just because someone is offended doesn't mean they are right".

That is something we could all very much benefit from on this forum! These days, everyone seems to think that being offended is the worst thing that can happen to you. We need to be protected from this horrible thing even if it means limiting our freedoms... fucking ridiculous!

We all just need to man/woman up! When did the world become such a sensitive place?

Am pretty sure we all love to be reminded that we are TS and third gender not bio :fu:.

I guess us woman are sooo stupid that we live in a fantasy world and we love to reminded by a chaser and a cock hound that we are nothing more than TS/Tgirl.

I only like being refer as woman thats all and leave at that. Period. Why do we need to be call Tgirl, Special Girl, Transexual when we are aware of it in the first place?

[nysprod]

We all just need to man/woman up! When did the world become such a sensitive place?

Yes! Man, woman and TGirl up, dammit!!

[nysprod]

i am personally offended that i read this entire thread this morning and now i am bored senseless.

Whoa, didn't think you were that sensitive...

[bluesoul]

Am pretty sure we all love to be reminded that we are TS and third gender not bio :fu:.

I guess us woman are sooo stupid that we live in a fantasy world and we love to reminded by a chaser and a cock hound that we are nothing more than TS/Tgirl.

I only like being refer as woman thats all and leave at that. Period. Why do we need to be call Tgirl, Special Girl, Transexual when we are aware of it in the first place?

perhaps they're just returning the favor since you reminded them that they were nothing more than chasers and cock hounds

[jamiethewild]

Yes! Man, woman and TGirl up, dammit!!

If i ever was around a guy that tells me Tgirl or anything other than woman consistently specially if i was post op this what i would do LOL.

Hot Girl Beats Man.avi - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM0PAuTmHuE&feature=related)

[jamiethewild]

perhaps they're just returning the favor since you reminded them that they were nothing more than chasers and cock hounds

No you haven't been reading this whole thread so STFU. His been saying that since the beginning even since he became a member.

[nysprod]

If i ever was around a guy that tells me Tgirl or anything other than woman consistently specially if i was post op this what i would do LOL.

Hot Girl Beats Man.avi - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM0PAuTmHuE&feature=related)

Damn baby, you seriously have like no sense of humor...lighten up why doncha?

[joeninety]

Am pretty sure we all love to be reminded that we are TS and third gender not bio :fu:.

I guess us woman are sooo stupid that we live in a fantasy world and we love to reminded by a chaser and a cock hound that we are nothing more than TS/Tgirl.

I only like being refer as woman thats all and leave at that. Period. Why do we need to be call Tgirl, Special Girl, Transexual when we are aware of it in the first place?

Each to their own I guess you like to be referred to as a woman which I would never dispute, but I have known some Pre ops and inbetweeners who are very proud of the fact that they are Trans, Tgirls etc and like to be referred to as such, you may not want to be called the above and that is your perogative but others do.

[joeninety]

You're assuming that because I'm saying TGirls are not women, I'm saying they're men. But you can't make the logic jump...they're not men, they're TGirls. TGirls are not men in dresses either, they're TGirls. In the same way, they're not women, they're TGirls.

A gay man is into men, not TGirls...I'm not into men at all, I'm into TGirls, who aren't men, so I'm not gay. I'm into women also.

Wrong some who you would say are Tgirls are not they are women through and through and know this in their head and in their heart why do you think they go through all that mental and physical pain.

Just because your body says male doesn't mean shit, if your brain is telling you are a woman well then that is what you are.

You need to recognise this is on a spectrum some trans feel they are trans but others know they are women and when you interact with them mentally there is no distinction

[joeninety]

To the OP You need to display some empathy here so I will put it to you like this I am guessing that you are male so lets say we transplant your brain mind into a female body, still with your male beliefs intact then you tell me what would you say you were?

[jamiethewild]

Each to their own I guess you like to be referred to as a woman which I would never dispute, but I have known some Pre ops and inbetweeners who are very proud of the fact that they are Trans, Tgirls etc and like to be referred to as such, you may not want to be called the above and that is your perogative but others do.

Well those woman who like being call TS, Tgirl, shemale, etc etc, then their mentality is isn't woman but transexual. Good for them that they love being called that but its not going to happen with me.

[nysprod]

Wrong some who you would say are Tgirls are not they are women through and through and know this in their head and in their heart why do you think they go through all that mental and physical pain.

Just because your body says male doesn't mean shit, if your brain is telling you are a woman well then that is what you are.

You need to recognise this is on a spectrum some trans feel they are trans but others know they are women and when you interact with them mentally there is no distinction

You omitted something else I said, which was that TGirls are feminine. When I interact with one, you're right...mentally there is no distinction. And there's no question that some feel in their head and their heart that they are indeed a woman.

[nysprod]

To the OP You need to display some empathy here so I will put it to you like this I am guessing that you are male so lets say we transplant your brain mind into a female body, still with your male beliefs intact then you tell me what would you say you were?

Interesting question...I guess the answer has to be you're a person with a male brain that's been transplanted into a female body...wasn't this a movie?

[jamiethewild]

the OP is putting thumbs down to all us in our comments if his against what we say. LOL. how funny its that ...
He just can't handle the truth. face it moron, and take what we say as an advice.

[nysprod]

Well those woman who like being call TS, Tgirl, shemale, etc etc, then their mentality is isn't woman but transexual.

I'd be very interested to see what they have to say about that...

[joeninety]

Well those woman who like being call TS, Tgirl, shemale, etc etc, then their mentality is isn't woman but transexual. Good for them that they love being called that but its not going to happen with me.

That was the point of my post that their are differences within, and the transsexual label can apply in some instances where those individuals believe this to be the case, but not in others as is the case with you.

[nysprod]

To the OP You need to display some empathy here so I will put it to you like this I am guessing that you are male so lets say we transplant your brain mind into a female body, still with your male beliefs intact then you tell me what would you say you were?

If my brain was transplanted into a women's body I still would not want to have sex with men, so I guess that would make me a lesbian?

Oh wait, I still would want to have sex with TGirls...definitely not sure what that would make me...lol

[joeninety]

You omitted something else I said, which was that TGirls are feminine. When I interact with one, you're right...mentally there is no distinction. And there's no question that some feel in their head and their heart that they are indeed a woman.

So why don't you accept the reality of the situation that really they are women, you should not differentiate on a physical technicality.

[joeninety]

Interesting question...I guess the answer has to be you're a person with a male brain that's been transplanted into a female body...wasn't this a movie?

You can wriggle about as much as you like and throw up a wit smokescreen but we both know that if it happened to either of us we would still think we were male as that is our identity and the gender we believe ourselves to be, personally I think you lacked an understanding of this issue but I think you may be learning.

[joeninety]

If my brain was transplanted into a women's body I still would not want to have sex with men, so I guess that would make me a lesbian?

Oh wait, I still would want to have sex with TGirls...definitely not sure what that would make me...lol


Well of course you wouldn't because your core would be that of a str8 male;)

[nysprod]

So why don't you accept the reality of the situation that really they are women, you should not differentiate on a physical technicality.

It's hard to explain, but it just feels different when I'm around TGirls...does it feel exactly the same to you when you're around them? What do you other guys feel?

[nysprod]

You can wriggle about as much as you like and throw up a wit smokescreen but we both know that if it happened to either of us we would still think we were male as that is our identity and the gender we believe ourselves to be, personally I think you lacked an understanding of this issue but I think you may be learning.

I'm well aware that people have deep-seated feelings about who and what they are.

If I meet a person who was born a Catholic and was baptized, and then later converted to Buddhism, I would refer to their belief system as Buddhist. I don't think that just because they were indeed baptized in a church at a previous point in their life, it makes them any less Buddhist. But they still would be somewhat different than someone born to Buddhist parents and raised only as a Buddhist, not that it makes them any less Buddhist.

[nina_lisa]

When it come to offensive words, t-girl is no where near the top, there is enough people using the word He, man and other male related pronouns to worry about t-girl.

This said: yes I know that i was born with a birth defect, i know i am different from genetic women, but do i need to be reminded about it non stop, or be treated differently because of it?

If you are dating me, my history is relevant, and once you know it, what is the point of calling me anything other than woman? why on earth my genitals need to be relevant to 50% of the planet. what does it make as a difference to 99,9999999999999% of everyone?

Do i need to be named differently, so people know if they need to hand me tampons or not?

Once in a coffee shop when i asked where the toilets are, i was answered: Men or women toilet? Sure because once i am done going to the toilet i am going to clean my dick in the sink in front of other woman, then i'll i'll whip it out under the hand drier in public.

[nysprod]

i know i am different from genetic women, but do i need to be reminded about it non stop, or be treated differently because of it?

Of course not.

[nina_lisa]

Did jury come with a decision?

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/electionacademy/images/Jury.Box.jpg

Here is the thing with everyone busy discussing what we should be called or not, who we are or not, are we women or not?

How does it even affect them?

Did they ever walk in our shoes, to know how we feel? Do they know what it feel to be born in the wrong body?

Ever had your identity not respected, or had to struggle to be yourself?

As far I am concerned when it come to been yourselves, you were born with a golden spoon in the mouth, and everyone respect your identity.

Yet everyone and their dog think they are qualified to label who we are or not, what we should be called or not.

[joeninety]

It's hard to explain, but it just feels different when I'm around TGirls...does it feel exactly the same to you when you're around them? What do you other guys feel?

I do not know how you view things when you are in that kind of a situation, me personally I deal with and judge a person by their personality and mentality physical looks are kind of a secondary thing for me on the whole, so to me female is female regardless of anything physical.

[loveboof]

Before we go any further, let's just clear something up...

Woman = 1 female person
Women = more than 1 female person (or females as a whole)

Now, feel free to continue ;)

[jamiethewild]

I do not know how you view things when you are in that kind of a situation, me personally I deal with and judge a person by their personality and mentality physical looks are kind of a secondary thing for me on the whole, so to me female is female regardless of anything physical.

His a simpleton, pathetic jackass. I already told him why he thinks and it feels different to him. Don't waste your time with someone who's new to TS or has views like him. This thread was meant to be negative for some TS in here, fuck your being and flesh and burn in fire moron.That's for the OP

[joeninety]

I'm well aware that people have deep-seated feelings about who and what they are.

If I meet a person who was born a Catholic and was baptized, and then later converted to Buddhism, I would refer to their belief system as Buddhist. I don't think that just because they were indeed baptized in a church at a previous point in their life, it makes them any less Buddhist. But they still would be somewhat different than someone born to Buddhist parents and raised only as a Buddhist, not that it makes them any less Buddhist.

You have contradicted yourself here, on the one hand you say it doesn't make them any less buddhist to have not been raised as a buddhist (which actually infers that in truth you do think that they are less buddhist than as i am sure you believe the one raised is more pure), but on the other hand you say well actually it makes them a different buddhist well how is this so?

I think you have confused how you are raised culturally and thrown that in with what you are religiously the two are seperate issues a buddhist is a buddhist simple as.

And therein lies your problem which is that you fuse seperate issues that are not relevant to one another and in doing so you confuse yourself as to what the reality of that particular situation is, a mind that believes it is female, simply is that and as I said before a physical technicality is irrelevant.

[nysprod]

I do not know how you view things when you are in that kind of a situation, me personally I deal with and judge a person by their personality and mentality physical looks are kind of a secondary thing for me on the whole, so to me female is female regardless of anything physical.

You're obviously confused, because I'm not judging anyone.

[joeninety]

His a simpleton, pathetic jackass. I already told him why he thinks and it feels different to him. Don't waste your time with someone who's new to TS or has views like him. This thread was meant to be negative for some TS in here, fuck your being and flesh and burn in fire moron.That's for the OP

:D I hear what you are saying, but if he can be re-educated then it will be for the greater good, as that will be one less person with an ill-informed view:dead:

[Chaos]

Ever had your identity not respected, or had to struggle to be yourself?

As far I am concerned when it come to been yourselves, you were born with a golden spoon in the mouth, and everyone respect your identity.

Yet everyone and their dog think they are qualified to label who we are or not, what we should be called or not.

Yes,actually, I HAVE had my identity not respected. Ever had a grown man that outweighs you by 200 lbs. stand on your arms and hit you in the face with a leather belt? Ever been handcuffed to a radiator and beaten bloody? (For being late for dinner) Ever been stabbed in the hand with a pencil for drawing on a phone book?My dad made me wear a dog collar and eat out of a dog dish for a month....Because he COULD. Ever been publicly humiliated by being forced to wear a sign that says SLAVE on it when you go out with family? My own father did ALL of that,and worse...
I was molested at age 7.....tied down and beaten by a grown man...Know what my father did when I told him what happened? Nothing. Not a single thing... I spent my whole life not knowing what or who I was....and I bear those scars forever. If I label people it is by whatever label they want to have,because I want people to treat me respectfully,without having to judge a past I had no control over.

[nysprod]

You have contradicted yourself here, on the one hand you say it doesn't make them any less buddhist to have not been raised as a buddhist (which actually infers that in truth you do think that they are less buddhist than as i am sure you believe the one raised is more pure), but on the other hand you say well actually it makes them a different buddhist well how is this so?

I think you have confused how you are raised culturally and thrown that in with what you are religiously the two are seperate issues a buddhist is a buddhist simple as.

And therein lies your problem which is that you fuse seperate issues that are not relevant to one another and in doing so you confuse yourself as to what the reality of that particular situation is, a mind that believes it is female, simply is that and as I said before a physical technicality is irrelevant.

You're obviously very confused because being "different" does not make them "less so." What made the difference in this case is that one converted and the other was born. Nowhere did I imply the converted one was any less Buddhist than one born Buddhist. Just somewhat different.

And don't put words into my mouth because "which actually infers that in truth you do think that they are less buddhist" is nothing more than an utterly imbecilic interpretation on your part.

[joeninety]

You're obviously confused, because I'm not judging anyone.

1st off where did I say that you judged anyone I think you should to learn to read properly, but since you raised the point now, therein lies your second problem if you are not judging and forming opinions about the person whose company you are in then I have to assume that your interactions must only have been purely physical ones.

[joeninety]

You're obviously very confused because being "different" does not make them "less so." What made the difference in this case is that one converted and the other was born. Nowhere did I imply the converted one was any less Buddhist than one born Buddhist. Just somewhat different.

And don't put words into my mouth because "which actually infers that in truth you do think that they are less buddhist" is nothing more than an utterly imbecilic interpretation on your part.

Oooh now I am getting to your root oh goody, you keep saying that word confused beginning to see that you are lol and if you know what the word infer means then you will actually see that it is you that is the imbecile and the fact that you have to resort to name calling only reveals your true mentality so I will keep pushing and watch as you dig:Bowdown:

[nysprod]

This thread was meant to be negative for some TS in here, fuck your being and flesh and burn in fire moron.That's for the OP

This thread was not meant to be that at AT ALL. If you think it was, that's your problem.

And BTW, I think that using the term "cocksucker" in your signature is very insulting and demeaning and I also think it was meant to be negative for people who do it, so fuck YOUR being.

Oh wait, have I misinterpreted something?

[nysprod]

Oooh now I am getting to your root oh goody, you keep saying that word confused beginning to see that you are lol and if you know what the word infer means then you will actually see that it is you that is the imbecile and the fact that you have to resort to name calling only reveals your true mentality so I will keep pushing and watch as you dig:Bowdown:

Ok, so now I've said that being different does not imply being less so. Reply to that exact point without diverging.

[joeninety]

You're obviously very confused because being "different" does not make them "less so." What made the difference in this case is that one converted and the other was born. Nowhere did I imply the converted one was any less Buddhist than one born Buddhist. Just somewhat different.


Contradiction alert so different does not make them less so. hmmm ok so remind me again how you feel about Mtf transsexual who feels and thinks she is a woman?????

Keep talking so I can keep on burying you with your own words all here in print so you cannot lie or wriggle your way out of this hole:dead:

[doctor screw]

This thread was not meant to be that at AT ALL. If you think it was, that's your problem.

And BTW, I think that using the term "cocksucker" in your signature is very insulting and demeaning and I also think it was meant to be negative for people who do it, so fuck YOUR being.

Oh wait, have I misinterpreted something?

You're my new favorite poster....lol

[joeninety]

This thread was not meant to be that at AT ALL. If you think it was, that's your problem.

And BTW, I think that using the term "cocksucker" in your signature is very insulting and demeaning and I also think it was meant to be negative for people who do it, so fuck YOUR being.

Oh wait, have I misinterpreted something?

Well that wouldn't be the 1st time you have done that today would it dig dig dig :confused:

[jamiethewild]

This thread was not meant to be that at AT ALL. If you think it was, that's your problem.

And BTW, I think that using the term "cocksucker" in your signature is very insulting and demeaning and I also think it was meant to be negative for people who do it, so fuck YOUR being.

Oh wait, have I misinterpreted something?

Am glad you like signature bitch. Now shove it Up your ass, you naive being. Fuck you chaser, your the one being attack for your nonsense not me. Go suck dick and get out Of my face.

[jamiethewild]

I think am aware now CLEARLY who's putting thumbs up to the OP. The thumbs up and down is soo lame and funny at the same time.

[doctor screw]

........lol

[joeninety]

I think am aware now CLEARLY who's putting thumbs up to the OP. The thumbs up and down is soo lame and funny at the same time.


Ha ha agreed the thumbs down is for the little lamoids who have tried to come across all clever and present a case that has now backfired and ended up making someone look like a bit of a tard.

[doctor screw]

When a grown man is too afraid to name a person of interest online...you can tell they're pussy in real life...lol

[joeninety]

Has all that digging and silly posting made you feel tired and even more stupid OP.

The reality is now your stupidity is there for all to see, regardless of how you now try to wing it

In future get some knowledge and show some respect to the situation of others:fu:

[nysprod]

Contradiction alert so different does not make them less so. hmmm ok so remind me again how you feel about Mtf transsexual who feels and thinks she is a woman?????

No problem with that on my part at all.

[nysprod]

Well that wouldn't be the 1st time you have done that today would it dig dig dig :confused:

It appears that my sarcasm has gone over your head. I'll aim lower next time...

[nysprod]

Contradiction alert so different does not make them less so. hmmm ok so remind me again how you feel about Mtf transsexual who feels and thinks she is a woman?????

Ok, so now I've said that being different does not imply being less so. Reply to that exact point without diverging.

[doctor screw]

It appears that my sarcasm has gone over your head. I'll aim lower next time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fWvub_WBho

[jamiethewild]

When a grown man is too afraid to name a person of interest online...you can tell they're pussy in real life...lol

Seems like your the old man with a pussy, you couldn't even quote me better yet I love how obsessed your with me. Even if u quoted me I ll be bored to death with your strolling nonsense. I am done u moron.!!!! Am not a child srry go to middle school or elementary to have your fun.

[doctor screw]

Seems like your the old man with a pussy, you couldn't even quote me better yet I love how obsessed your with me. Even if u quoted me I ll be bored to death with your strolling nonsense. I am done u moron.!!!! Am not a child srry go to middle school or elementary to have your fun.

Tha fuck is strolling nonsense ....lol

You know better,and it's wise for you not to respond...lol

[doctor screw]

Nysprod is just telling it how it is...can't get mad at the truth

[nysprod]

Nysprod is just telling it how it is...can't get mad at the truth

The thread was not meant to be a forum for me "telling it like it is"...I just wanted to know what the ladies here thought about what a provider wrote on their website re: the desire to be referred to only as a women.

That's all it was meant to be.

[doctor screw]

The thread was not meant to be a forum for me "telling it like it is"...I just wanted to know what the ladies here thought about what a provider wrote on their website re: the desire to be referred to only as a women.

That's all it was meant to be.

Until they twisted it to suit their self serving purposes,which made me feel sick inside.They do this to anyone who doesn't agree with the given narrative,around these parts.Glad you stood up for yourself.

You've just been Doc Screw approved,accept the pros and cons that come w/ it.....lol

[joeninety]

You're assuming that because I'm saying TGirls are not women, I'm saying they're men. But you can't make the logic jump...they're not men, they're TGirls. TGirls are not men in dresses either, they're TGirls. In the same way, they're not women, they're TGirls.

A gay man is into men, not TGirls...I'm not into men at all, I'm into TGirls, who aren't men, so I'm not gay. I'm into women also

.Ok, so now I've said that being different does not imply being less so. Reply to that exact point without diverging.

Well on the basis of your own words a woman in mind should then be a woman regardless of physical appearance, as being physically different does not make her less so of a woman correct????

Read back to me what your post says above dummy

[joeninety]

Wouldn't be surprised if you and Doctor screw were 1 and the same:iagree:

[doctor screw]

Wouldn't be surprised if you and Doctor screw were 1 and the same:iagree:

Nope,but real recognize real and you looking unfamiliar....lol

Not to mention,I wouldn't of been that nice to you...lol

[joeninety]

The thread was not meant to be a forum for me "telling it like it is"...I just wanted to know what the ladies here thought about what a provider wrote on their website re: the desire to be referred to only as a women.

That's all it was meant to be.

All you have told it like, is like how much of an ill-informed, confused prat you are, how is your re-education going btw:whistle:

[joeninety]

Nope,but real recognize real and you looking unfamiliar....lol

Sorry I do not understand gobble de goop talk, so that just flew over my head and I am guessing must of been a pretty meaningless statement:jerkoff

[doctor screw]

Sorry I do not understand gobble de goop talk, so that just flew over my head and I am guessing must of been a pretty meaningless statement:jerkoff

Orrrrr you're just too stupid to keep up....lol

Also,who tha fuck says gobble de goop talk....lol.How old are you???HAHAHAHAHA

[joeninety]

Until they twisted it to suit their self serving purposes,which made me feel sick inside.They do this to anyone who doesn't agree with the given narrative,around these parts.Glad you stood up for yourself.

You've just been Doc Screw approved,accept the pros and cons that come w/ it.....lol

Wow oh look you have been Doc screw approved, shit no way that is the highest of the highest surely it cannot get better than that, pmsl you fricking moron

[doctor screw]

Wow oh look you have been Doc screw approved, shit no way that is the highest of the highest surely it cannot get better than that, pmsl you fricking moron

Wow,you're attempts at clowning is sooooo fucking lame...stop,before I'm force to bash you.....lol

I wonder If Evie and Jamie are the same person....lol

[joeninety]

Orrrrr you're just too stupid to keep up....lol

Also,who tha fuck says gobble de goop talk....lol.How old are you???HAHAHAHAHA


Well as that is the language you are speaking guess it says as much as to how old you are, anyway you are too dumb to play with me and I am not dropping levels so on that note nite nite:fu:

[nysprod]

Well on the basis of your own words a woman in mind should then be a woman regardless of physical appearance, as being physically different does not make her less so of a woman correct????

Read back to me what your post says above dummy

I will NOT respond to any posts which contain derogatory terms.

[doctor screw]

Wow,you're attempts at clowning is sooooo fucking lame...stop,before I'm force to bash you.....lol

I wonder If Evie and Jamie are the same person....lol
I would love to bash you about around 11:00....If you're brave enough to stay up here until then...

[joeninety]

Wow,you're attempts at clowning is sooooo fucking lame...stop,before I'm force to bash you.....lol

I wonder If Evie and Jamie are the same person....lol

See what I mean about your dumbness like your alter ego Nsypod or whoever the F he is, it seems you too have trouble reading and who you going to bash, I bashed ya moms and really I am ya pops lol

[doctor screw]

Well as that is the language you are speaking guess it says as much as to how old you are, anyway you are too dumb to play with me and I am not dropping levels so on that note nite nite:fu:

More like you know better,pussy...lol

Plus shit talking isn't your thing,I would destroy you effortlessly

[Chaos]

If nysprod and the Doc don't see them as women nothing you say will change that... It's an issue only they can deal with...

[joeninety]

More like you know better,pussy...lol

Plus shit talking isn't your thing,I would destroy you effortlessly


Blah blah now whose shit talking yawnnnn

[doctor screw]

See what I mean about your dumbness like your alter ego Nsypod or whoever the F he is, it seems you too have trouble reading and who you going to bash, I bashed ya moms and really I am ya pops lol

Did you just say a mother joke????REALLY?????LOL...DAMN YOU'RE LAME...jajajajajajajajajajaja

Last time I checked,dumb ppl couldn't put together jokes(that's you,by the way)lol

[jamiethewild]

See what I mean about your dumbness like your alter ego Nsypod or whoever the F he is, it seems you too have trouble reading and who you going to bash, I bashed ya moms and really I am ya pops lol

Joeninety you been nothing but understanding on tring to educate the OP, love your patience.

[doctor screw]

Blah blah now whose shit talking yawnnnn

Of course I've been shit talking,"YOU BIG DUMMY"-Red Fox

I just said you weren't any good at it...lol,keep up

[jamiethewild]

Blah blah now whose shit talking yawnnnn

his going to make you got to bed and sleep watch, with his boring post lol

[doctor screw]

Joeninety you been nothing but understanding on tring to educate the OP, love your patience.

How was he patient,when he was insulting him.....lol.Some ppl are void of logic...lol

[joeninety]

If nysprod and the Doc don't see them as women nothing you say will change that... It's an issue only they can deal with...

Yeah guess you are right, though its nice to get their views and Bs in print so that people can see what they are about

[doctor screw]

his going to make you got to bed and sleep watch, with his boring post lol

LOL@ you tying to help him out

[joeninety]

his going to make you got to bed and sleep watch, with his boring post lol

Yeah you know he is killing me off now another 5mins and I am done with this boring dumb fool lol

[jamiethewild]

If nysprod and the Doc don't see them as women nothing you say will change that... It's an issue only they can deal with...

I wonder if "nysprod" and "doctor screw" is the same person :dead::dead:

[doctor screw]

If nysprod and the Doc don't see them as women nothing you say will change that... It's an issue only they can deal with...

I don't see them as women in a traditional sense,but If that's what they want to be called..oh well.

They're transgender,and If you want to add woman after that...go right ahead

[doctor screw]

I wonder if "nysprod" and "doctor screw" is the same person :dead::dead:

Just like I wonder If you're Evie...lol

[doctor screw]

Yeah you know he is killing me off now another 5mins and I am done with this boring dumb fool lol

You haven't said anything yet.....lol.I'm still waiting....lol

[jamiethewild]

Just like I wonder If you're Evie...lol

well you can call me whatever you want if thats what you want to think lol who's evie btw?

[joeninety]

I will NOT respond to any posts which contain derogatory terms.

Originally Posted by nysprod
You're assuming that because I'm saying TGirls are not women, I'm saying they're men. But you can't make the logic jump...they're not men, they're TGirls. TGirls are not men in dresses either, they're TGirls. In the same way, they're not women, they're TGirls.

A gay man is into men, not TGirls...I'm not into men at all, I'm into TGirls, who aren't men, so I'm not gay. I'm into women also

.Ok, so now I've said that being different does not imply being less so. Reply to that exact point without diverging.


Well on the basis of your own words a woman in mind should then be a woman regardless of physical appearance, as being physically different does not make her less so of a woman correct????

Read back to me what your post says above and this time there is no derogatory remark in there so how you going to slip out of the noose this time
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Evie this bad boys just for you, and good luck with everything xxx

[Chaos]

I don't see them as women in a traditional sense,but If that's what they want to be called..oh well.

They're transgender,and If you want to add woman after that...go right ahead

It must KILL you to show ANY human being any kind of respect whatsoever.

[doctor screw]

You know you got someone against the ropes,when all they can say is"you're boring me"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[jamiethewild]

Well on the basis of your own words a woman in mind should then be a woman regardless of physical appearance, as being physically different does not make her less so of a woman correct????

Read back to me what your post says above and this time there is no derogatory remark in there so how you going to slip out of the noose this time
__________________
Evie this bad boys just for you, and good luck with everything xxx

who's evie " joeninety" ? just curious.

[doctor screw]

It must KILL you to show ANY human being any kind of respect whatsoever.

I show all ppl respect,unless they've showed me they don't deserve my compassion

[joeninety]

You haven't said anything yet.....lol.I'm still waiting....lol


Because in all honesty you are to dumb and boring for me to play with you, I do not consider you a threat or challenge, your posts are inconsequential to me so I view you apathetically

[nysprod]

If nysprod and the Doc don't see them as women nothing you say will change that... It's an issue only they can deal with...

I see them as people without a uterus or ovaries. Other then that, I've known several who are way more feminine than any person with a uterus and ovaries I've ever known...

[doctor screw]

who's evie " joeninety" ? Just curious.

you!!!!!!!!

[doctor screw]

Because in all honesty you are to dumb and boring for me to play with you, I do not consider you a threat or challenge, your posts are inconsequential to me so I view you apathetically

You can make all the excuses you want,but you seem like a pussy to me....lol

[jamiethewild]

It must KILL you to show ANY human being any kind of respect whatsoever.


Because in all honesty you are to dumb and boring for me to play with you, I do not consider you a threat or challenge, your posts are inconsequential to me so I view you apathetically

Love you guys. Now "doctor screw" you got to deal with men to men discussions not with a girl.

[joeninety]

who's evie " joeninety" ? just curious.

She used to come here a long time ago we were friends then I got banned and she had disappeared when I came back and knowing Evie something crazy probably happened to her:cry:

[jamiethewild]

you!!!!!!!!

:dancing: cool I guess tomorrow ill be Andrea . LOL

[doctor screw]

Love you guys. Now "doctor screw" you got to deal with men to men discussions not with a girl.

You're a racist nuttjob,and nobodys dealing w/ me....lol.Just telling me how they would like to deal w/ me,If I wasn't so boring....lol

[jamiethewild]

She used to come here a long time ago we were friends then I got banned and she had disappeared when I came back and knowing Evie something crazy probably happened to her:cry:

Awww ....

[doctor screw]

:dancing: cool I guess tomorrow ill be Andrea . LOL

Nope,still Evie....lol

[doctor screw]

What a bunch of pussies....lol

How are you gonna call me out,and not say shit...who does that???LOL

[jamiethewild]

Nope,still Evie....lol
lol ok if you say so ...

[Chaos]

I show all ppl respect,unless they've showed me they don't deserve my compassion
If that were true you would see them for what they are....Girls. You wouldn't be holding the fact that they were born in bodies they think are incorrect over their heads,you wouldn't say "If that's what they want to be called..oh well."

[joeninety]

Awww ....


Yeah is kind of like that, she was cool and funny but I worry for her and where she is at now

[doctor screw]

If that were true you would see them for what they are....Girls. You wouldn't be holding the fact that they were born in bodies they think are incorrect over their heads,you wouldn't say "If that's what they want to be called..oh well."

I would've left it alone,but you brought the shit up....lol
I don't lie to myself,to please others.I do however,show general respect for all ppl(even those I deem my enemies).I'am way too temperamental to be a ass kisser...lol.oh well

[joeninety]

I see them as people without a uterus or ovaries. Other then that, I've known several who are way more feminine than any person with a uterus and ovaries I've ever known...

Yeah whatever sure you do spiel away and duly noted about your failure to answer my post which is conclusive proof of your stupidity and fucked up way of thinking

In case you forgot here is a reminder below




Originally Posted by nysprod
You're assuming that because I'm saying TGirls are not women, I'm saying they're men. But you can't make the logic jump...they're not men, they're TGirls. TGirls are not men in dresses either, they're TGirls. In the same way, they're not women, they're TGirls.

A gay man is into men, not TGirls...I'm not into men at all, I'm into TGirls, who aren't men, so I'm not gay. I'm into women also

.Ok, so now I've said that being different does not imply being less so. Reply to that exact point without diverging.

Well on the basis of your own words a woman in mind should then be a woman regardless of physical appearance, as being physically different does not make her less so of a woman correct????

Read back to me what your post says above and this time there is no derogatory remark in there so how you going to slip out of the noose this time
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[jamiethewild]

Yeah is kind of like that, she was cool and funny but I worry for her and where she is at now

Well have you tried looking for her ? sounds like you liked or loved her. Maybe doing some research might help.

[doctor screw]

Screw reigns supreme!!!!!!!!!!

[joeninety]

Well have you tried looking for her ? sounds like you liked or loved her. Maybe doing some research might help.


Well if you have got any ideas on how to go about things it would be appreciated, I am off to bed now so Pm me if you have a plan;) and to you and Chaos respect and goodnite

[nysprod]

Well on the basis of your own words a woman in mind should then be a woman regardless of physical appearance, as being physically different does not make her less so of a woman correct????

Read back to me what your post says above and this time there is no derogatory remark in there so how you going to slip out of the noose this time
__________________
Evie this bad boys just for you, and good luck with everything xxx

I've personally known TGirls who are incredibly feminine and more womanly than other people I've known who had ovaries and a uterus. I totally support the GLBT community and anyone's right to perceive themselves, and have the world perceive them, in any way they wish.

The funny thing is that I've also known people with ovaries and a uterus who had like zero femininity.

[doctor screw]

well if you have got any ideas on how to go about things it would be appreciated, i am off to bed now so pm me if you have a plan;) and to you and chaos respect and goodnite

nighty,night...keep yo butt hole tight....lol

What a pussy

[Chaos]

I would've left it alone,but you brought the shit up....lol
I don't lie to myself,to please others.I do however,show general respect for all ppl(even those I deem my enemies).I'am way too temperamental to be a ass kisser...lol.oh well
It isn't about kissing ass.It's about treating people the way they should be treated.It's about giving people the respect you'd want them to give you.
You ARE lying to yourself if you think you're giving general respect to anyone when you say that how they see themselves is a lie. I'm sure that you've had people call you something you are not. Does it feel good? And don't give me the "I ignore it" bs....

[jamiethewild]

Well if you have got any ideas on how to go about things it would be appreciated, I am off to bed now so Pm me if you have a plan;) and to you and Chaos respect and goodnite

well i don't know lol I was just curious because you said she's been here before you got ban and now you don't know anything about her. when i try to look for someone there always has to be some resources to find a person.

[doctor screw]

It isn't about kissing ass.It's about treating people the way they should be treated.It's about giving people the respect you'd want them to give you.
You ARE lying to yourself if you think you're giving general respect to anyone when you say that how they see themselves is a lie. I'm sure that you've had people call you something you are not. Does it feel good? And don't give me the "I ignore it" bs....

It is about kissing ass,when I deny reality to make someone feel better to gain their favor.The world doesn't owe anyone SHIT,so spare me the "way they should be treated" b.s. Especially when they're extremely disrespectful

If I treated some of these ppl the way the should be treated,I would of been banned a loooong time ago...lol

Never said that their existence is a lie,but you can spin it that way If you wish.If me saying"If that's how they see themselves"is a insult,oh well.Everyone is called something that they don't like,it's the way of the world.I've been called vile things from the very ppl you're defending,so were was your outrage then????lol

If there's one thing that I'am not...that's a liar.

[doctor screw]

It isn't about kissing ass.It's about treating people the way they should be treated.It's about giving people the respect you'd want them to give you.
You ARE lying to yourself if you think you're giving general respect to anyone when you say that how they see themselves is a lie. I'm sure that you've had people call you something you are not. Does it feel good? And don't give me the "I ignore it" bs....

The fact that I'm responding to you in this manner,is a sign of respect.You haven't been vile to me intentionally,even though you're trying to appease wicked ppl.

I don't interact with the wicked,in a civilized manner,sorry If I've offended the wicked...lol

[joeninety]

well i don't know lol I was just curious because you said she's been here before you got ban and now you don't know anything about her. when i try to look for someone there always has to be some resources to find a person.


Ok well I will have another think and if I get stuck I will Pm you x

[Chaos]

So your solution to being disrespected by a few women is to disrespect them all?

[doctor screw]

So your solution to being disrespected by a few women is to disrespect them all?

I haven't disrespected them all...all transgenders don't like to be called women,some like to be called transgender.

Who said it was a"few"..lol

You didn't explain where was your outrage,or how you're chummy with someone like Jamie...lol.It's okay to be selective in things deemed unjust ...just be honest about it.

[Chaos]

I don't know Jamie. As for where my outrage was? People aren't attacking your very being....They aren't telling you your core identity is wrong.

As for it being more than a few? That doesn't tell you anything?

[jamiethewild]

Nysprod is just telling it how it is...can't get mad at the truth


I don't know Jamie. As for where my outrage was? People aren't attacking your very being....They aren't telling you your core identity is wrong.

As for it being more than a few? That doesn't tell you anything?

Chaos his a waste of time. He loves when girls are being patronized. This OP and this Scew are very alike to my surprise.

[loveboof]

People aren't attacking your very being....They aren't telling you your core identity is wrong.

You know it could be argued that nysprod and dr screw are some of the only people in this thread who are not telling t-girls their 'core identity' is wrong. Simply by accepting them for what they are, rather than attempting to force them into specific brackets...

There's nothing wrong with being transgender. It is a natural thing. However, if you're not biologically/genetically female then nothing will change that!

[Chaos]

It sounds to me like if either one of them admitted that you were a girl they'd have to go find a new fetish...

[Chaos]

You know it could be argued that nysprod and dr screw are some of the only people in this thread who are not telling t-girls their 'core identity' is wrong. Simply by accepting them for what they are, rather than attempting to force them into specific brackets...

There's nothing wrong with being transgender. It is a natural thing. However, if you're not biologically/genetically female then nothing will change that!

Like I said before.....I treat them how they want. I call them what they want.

[jamiethewild]

You know it could be argued that nysprod and dr screw are some of the only people in this thread who are not telling t-girls their 'core identity' is wrong. Simply by accepting them for what they are, rather than attempting to force them into specific brackets...

There's nothing wrong with being transgender. It is a natural thing. However, if you're not biologically/genetically female then nothing will change that!

Repeating Tgirl and shemales and all those derogatory terms consistently is NOT cool.

[doctor screw]

I don't know Jamie. As for where my outrage was? People aren't attacking your very being....They aren't telling you your core identity is wrong.

As for it being more than a few? That doesn't tell you anything?

You don't know me either,but you clearly formed a opinion....so that's total bullshit.She's a racist asshole,but you're indifferent towards that person, because YOU don't have a general respect for everyone.If you did you would've challenged her,but instead you've decided to cheer her on from the sidelines.In short,you're not in the position of telling me what's disrespectful...when you can't hold everyone to the standards you've created.

Being more than a few,tells me lots
Even though I'am a little hot headed,I never let anyone take me out of myself.

People tell me my identity is wrong all the time,but I could careless.If I intentionally insulted the entire transgender population,I would understand.....BUT STATING THE TRUTH ISN'T AN INSULT.

[jamiethewild]

It sounds to me like if either one of them admitted that you were a girl they'd have to go find a new fetish...

who's was that for ? didn't get it .

[doctor screw]

Chaos his a waste of time. He loves when girls are being patronized. This OP and this Scew are very alike to my surprise.

No,I like when racists are being patronized...lol

[Chaos]

who's was that for ? didn't get it .

Just a general thought,not really towards you,just an example.

[jamiethewild]

No,I like when racists are being patronized...lol

yeah right , i did my research and yes you have patronized other girls in here.

[doctor screw]

It sounds to me like if either one of them admitted that you were a girl they'd have to go find a new fetish...

They're transgender

[doctor screw]

yeah right , i did my research and yes you have patronized other girls in here.

With the exception of one(I got bad intel about her),they were all bigoted assholes,like yourself...lol

[Chaos]

]She's a racist asshole

Can't comment on something I never saw.....

[doctor screw]

Just a general thought,not really towards you,just an example.

Exhibit A...lol

[doctor screw]

Can't comment on something I never saw.....

The lies we tell ourselves....lol

[loveboof]

Repeating Tgirl and shemales and all those derogatory terms consistently is NOT cool.

Have I done that?

We can't have this conversation without the use of technicalities and distinctions, so may I ask what terminology you find acceptable for circumstances such as this where simply 'girls' and 'women' is not precise enough to hold the discussion?

[Chaos]

The lies we tell ourselves....lol

Oh no! You got me!! Because I read every single post she made....
Seriously? I don't waste my OWN time lying.

[doctor screw]

Oh no! You got me!! Because I read every single post she made....
Seriously? I don't waste my OWN time lying.

You couldn't find them anyway,they deleted them to preserve a good image(false image)of that person.Otherwise I would say check that person's post history/

[jamiethewild]

Have I done that?

We can't have this conversation without the use of technicalities and distinctions, so may I ask what terminology you find acceptable for circumstances such as this where simply 'girls' and 'women' is not precise enough to hold the discussion?


I never said you however it sounded like you were agreeing with the OP and DS.

Well like i said woman has to be used when am around here for or in real life when am with a date none of this derogatory bull-shit. If we are talking in forum terms specially being a porn forum and your refer to us as trans-woman then thats fine but when its said with consistency then its not appealing or sign of a chaser then again thats my opinion. Like i said earlier, its fine if a transexual wants to be called all those terms thats a transexual mentality, but not me because my mentality is woman not TS.

[Chaos]

You couldn't find them anyway,they deleted them to preserve a good image(false image)of that person.Otherwise I would say check that person's post history/

So HOW do you come to the conclusion that I'm lying exactly? If you KNOW I've NEVER seen them...

[doctor screw]

So HOW do you come to the conclusion that I'm lying exactly? If you KNOW I've NEVER seen them...

You just told me you've never saw,before I naturally assumed you did....but then again,you could still be lying(not that I even care,lol)

They're some(a small minority of decent ppl)ppl on this forum that would tell you the truth about that person.

[doctor screw]

I never said you however it sounded like you were agreeing with the OP and DS.

Well like i said woman has to be used when am around here for or in real life when am with a date none of this derogatory bull-shit. If we are talking in forum terms specially being a porn forum and your refer to us as trans-woman then thats fine but when its said with consistency then its not appealing or sign of a chaser then again thats my opinion. Like i said earlier, its fine if a transexual wants to be called all those terms thats a transexual mentality, but not me because my mentality is woman not TS.

You're transgender,deal w/ it....If you want to,call me negroid....lol

[GroobySteven]

"wolfs nipples" / "peoples front of judea" - ;o) - life of brian - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrDVsprWRCQ)

[lovev90]

"wolfs nipples" / "peoples front of judea" - ;o) - life of brian - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrDVsprWRCQ)

And your point was ? lol

[joeninety]

You don't know me either,but you clearly formed a opinion....so that's total bullshit.She's a racist asshole,but you're indifferent towards that person, because YOU don't have a general respect for everyone.If you did you would've challenged her,but instead you've decided to cheer her on from the sidelines.In short,you're not in the position of telling me what's disrespectful...when you can't hold everyone to the standards you've created.

Being more than a few,tells me lots
Even though I'am a little hot headed,I never let anyone take me out of myself.

People tell me my identity is wrong all the time,but I could careless.If I intentionally insulted the entire transgender population,I would understand.....BUT STATING THE TRUTH ISN'T AN INSULT.

Yeah I am sure you would understand, so what you are really saying is that you do not mind, nor could care less about insulting the ones that want to be called women, well sums up what you are about really:werd:

[joeninety]

With the exception of one(I got bad intel about her),they were all bigoted assholes,like yourself...lol


Fuck you really are dumber than your mate do you even know the definition of the word bigot pmsl look at your posts again the only one coming off as a bigot here is you.

And just to make thinks real easy for you as we can now all see what a simpleton you are here is the definition of that word below.

"a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong"

YOU DUMBASS

[joeninety]

So HOW do you come to the conclusion that I'm lying exactly? If you KNOW I've NEVER seen them...


He is a retard he does not know what the hell he is talking about, he talks incoherrent mumbo jumbo if I didn't know any better I would probably have to say he is drugged up to his eyeballs somewhere on a psychiatric ward and his real name is probably more along the lines of "wannabe DR screwloose" aint that right screw now run along and take ya meds:iagree:

[joeninety]

You're transgender,deal w/ it....If you want to,call me negroid....lol

So basically what you are saying is that really you are tit 4 tat name calling and being a cry baby ah ok I gettcha.

Your signature as well as your posts also says a lot about your mentality and what you think of women in general, maybe you are really nothing more than a failed wannabe pimp come player, so now you are trying your luck as "Dr know it" when in reality you are probably "Doc flop":loser:

[GroobySteven]

So basically what you are saying is that really you are tit 4 tat name calling and being a cry baby ah ok I gettcha.

Your signature as well as your posts also says a lot about your mentality and what you think of women in general, maybe you are really nothing more than a failed wannabe pimp come player, so now you are trying your luck as "Dr know it" when in reality you are probably "Doc flop":loser:

Why were you banned the last time?

[joeninety]

Why were you banned the last time?

For sticking up for a girl who was to some extent being bullied by other members, I said what i said then just like I have said what I have said here, if that seems wrong to you then maybe you should be democratic about this situation and put it to the vote as to whether I have been out of order here?

[GroobySteven]

For sticking up for a girl who was to some extent being bullied by other members, I said what i said then just like I have said what I have said here, if that seems wrong to you then maybe you should be democratic about this situation and put it to the vote as to whether I have been out of order here?

What has democracy got to do with it? You were kicked out for being an asshat - not for sticking up for someone.

[loveboof]

Have I done that?

We can't have this conversation without the use of technicalities and distinctions, so may I ask what terminology you find acceptable for circumstances such as this where simply 'girls' and 'women' is not precise enough to hold the discussion?

I realise that any time someone mentions their like/dislike's people come out the woodwork to vote that comment down (lol), but why have so many retards decided to dislike my polite question quoted above??

How else are we meant to become 'educated' about what is offensive to trans-women?

[alyssaluxor]

I was looking around and found this on a provider's site:

DEFINITELY NOT LOOKING TO HOOK UP WITH ANY MAN THAT REFERS TO ME AS A T-GURL. I FIND THIS SO INSULTING AND DEMEANING AS IF I AM A LESS OF OR A SECOND RATE WOMAN. HOW DEGRADING USING A WORD THAT IMPLIES GUY AND GIRL TOGETHER. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TRANS WOMAN WOULD ALLOW ANYONE TO TALK TO THEM THIS WAY It's BEYOND COMPREHENSION. I AM ALL WOMAN HERE NO DOUBT ABOUT .IF YOU WANT TO CONNECT WITH ME YOU REFER TO ME AS THE WOMAN OR GIRL THAT I AM. SPELL IT OUT RIGHT! AND HONOR ME AS A GODDESS.

By no means am I judging this in any way and if I were to be with this person, I would certainly respect her request. But I'm curious to see if you women have the same feelings in this regard.

Ladies?

Ok ive read some of the reply here and I just want to share my views. For me Trans women are WOMEN!

- A woman is not define on whats between her legs(genitals), some woman dont have vagina get over it! (Intersex....)
- A woman is not define by just simply genetics/chromosomes get over it (some woman have xx or xy or xxy or xyy....)
- A woman is not define just because of giving birth, some just cant get birth like nuns and ovary defect ....
- Being a woman is whats on her mind and core sense of self, her gender identity

Sex and Gender is a broad spectrum its not just base on having a dick and pussy. So please if a persons sense of Gender Identity is a woman then respect her and view her as that. Let her be herself.

[nysprod]

Amen to that Luxor!

[doctor screw]

Yeah I am sure you would understand, so what you are really saying is that you do not mind, nor could care less about insulting the ones that want to be called women, well sums up what you are about really:werd:

Nope,it means I could care-less about being nice to racist assholes(whoever they might be).The fact that you're friendly w/ said racist,sums you up....lol

I call transgenders,transgenders...that's not an insult.It can be taken that way,but it's not.

They see themselves in a certain way,and that's cool......I'm really out of fuckz to give,to be honest...lol

[doctor screw]

Fuck you really are dumber than your mate do you even know the definition of the word bigot pmsl look at your posts again the only one coming off as a bigot here is you.

And just to make thinks real easy for you as we can now all see what a simpleton you are here is the definition of that word below.

"a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong"

YOU DUMBASS

I LOVE HOW YOU WAITED UNTIL I LEFT,TO REPLY....LOL
I knew you were pussy,but jezz

I don't care what a bunch of chasers(you,lol)think of me.The truth is the truth.That truth being Jamie is a racist asshole,and you only support that person because of their genitalia.

Bigot-a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race.

I accept new ideas and opinions of others.The problem is that,you feel I stand against a particular title the want to call themselves.I don't.....I just disagree w/ it.

By the way,it's dumb-ass...not DUMBASS....LOL

[doctor screw]

He is a retard he does not know what the hell he is talking about, he talks incoherrent mumbo jumbo if I didn't know any better I would probably have to say he is drugged up to his eyeballs somewhere on a psychiatric ward and his real name is probably more along the lines of "wannabe DR screwloose" aint that right screw now run along and take ya meds:iagree:

You literally didn't make a point...LOL

[doctor screw]

So basically what you are saying is that really you are tit 4 tat name calling and being a cry baby ah ok I gettcha.

Your signature as well as your posts also says a lot about your mentality and what you think of women in general, maybe you are really nothing more than a failed wannabe pimp come player, so now you are trying your luck as "Dr know it" when in reality you are probably "Doc flop":loser:

Tit for tat name calling,is what you did to the original poster...who shared a view you disagreed w/....lol

If you take my sig. seriously,you're a fucking idiot....LOL
It's actually a line from a song I like,but I just replaced a word with chaser.My sig. literally applies to you...lol

You think I'm pimp...really???????lol
I'll take that as a complement

What tha fuck does Doc Flop mean...damn you're unbearable corny....lol

[jamiethewild]

Yeah I am sure you would understand, so what you are really saying is that you do not mind, nor could care less about insulting the ones that want to be called women, well sums up what you are about really:werd:

He blames me for his same shit and mistakes he does also. PLz, that my shit was deleted, his crap has been deleted also for patronizing girls. He knows am not attracted to his ppl and that gets him more than anything, and if i ever told HIM crap and disrespected HIM was because he was intentionally looking for it and loves pushing girls buttons on the other hand haven't disrespected any other person here of his race other than HIM. GrimFusion already explain to him that reaction doesn't take place without action. Yet thats why it doesn't surprise me why the OP and Doctor ScrewUP are very a like. He also attacks the guys that defend a woman here who are being patronized buy degrading them... how bigot is that ?... His a boring moron fucked up in the head, bored with his life. DONT WASTE YOUR TIME

[doctor screw]

He blames me for his same shit and mistakes he does also. PLz, that my shit was deleted, he knows am not attracted to his ppl and that gets him more than anything, and if i ever told HIM crap and disrespected HIM was because he was intentionally looking for it and loves pushing girls bottoms on the other hand haven't disrespected any other person here of his race other than HIM. GrimFusion already explain to him that reaction doesn't take place without action. Yet thats why it doesn't surprise me why the OP and Doctor ScrewUP are very a like. He also attacks the ppl that defend a woman here buy degrading them... how bigot is that ?... His a boring moron fucked up in the head, bored with his life. DONT WASTE YOUR TIME

I blame you for the way I treat you,that's all....lol
I don't care what you find sexually appealing...I don't like you because you're racist,and If you can't figure that out.Give life up

You disrespected Ryz,not to mention my entire race...so how you didn't show disrespect towards anyone else in my race is total bullshit...lol.

The only reason I interacted w/ you in the first place,was because of your racist statements,otherwise I wouldn't waste my time with you.

I agree my reaction to your racist statements,lead to a reaction of more racists slurs from you,which lead to more reactions from me....lol

I haven't attacked anyone who was defending a woman.I have however challenged anyone who sides w/ bigots.....

YOU JUST WASTED YOUR TIME BY POSTING THIS...JUST SAYING...LOL

[doctor screw]

He blames me for his same shit and mistakes he does also. PLz, that my shit was deleted, his crap has been deleted also for patronizing girls. He knows am not attracted to his ppl and that gets him more than anything, and if i ever told HIM crap and disrespected HIM was because he was intentionally looking for it and loves pushing girls buttons on the other hand haven't disrespected any other person here of his race other than HIM. GrimFusion already explain to him that reaction doesn't take place without action. Yet thats why it doesn't surprise me why the OP and Doctor ScrewUP are very a like. He also attacks the guys that defend a woman here who are being patronized buy degrading them... how bigot is that ?... His a boring moron fucked up in the head, bored with his life. DONT WASTE YOUR TIME


...and that doctor screwup thing sounds very familiar...LMAO!!!

If I didn't know any better,I would swear you were Evon....lol

[GroobySteven]

Yet thats why it doesn't surprise me why the OP and Doctor ScrewUP are very a like.

I think you are the last person who needs to talk about people being alike considering you've got more than 1 other alias on this board.

[jamiethewild]

I blame you for the way I treat you,that's all....lol
I don't care what you find sexually appealing...I don't like you because you're racist,and If you can't figure that out.Give life up

You disrespected Ryz,not to mention my entire race...so how you didn't show disrespect towards anyone else in my race is total bullshit...lol.

The only reason I interacted w/ you in the first place,was because of your racist statements,otherwise I wouldn't waste my time with you.

I agree my reaction to your racist statements,lead to a reaction of more racists slurs from you,which lead to more reactions from me....lol

I haven't attacked anyone who was defending a woman.I have however challenged anyone who sides w/ bigots.....

YOU JUST WASTED YOUR TIME BY POSTING THIS...JUST SAYING...LOL

wake the fuck up .... hello you live in diverse world with different opinions theres ppl far worst than me and ppl that won't to even carry a conversation with you guys, at least i have to decency to do it in life but if their naive morons and disrespectful like you then NO ... I wonder how many girls in the past that have come in this forum and what they think of your ppl in this forum. I seen respectful ones but more than anything i seen more belittle girls in here.

Yes you call them names, when guys get on on a woman's side.

Won't surprise me, if you told ryz to carry you on with you. I don't attack anybody for not reason there has to be an action for me to react. You were just wanting for me to degrade you, your a child 5 yr old.

Anyway i have things to do. Have a beautiful simpleton.

[doctor screw]

wake the fuck up .... hello you live in diverse world with different opinions theres ppl far worst than me and ppl that won't to even carry a conversation with you guys, at least i have to decency to do it in life but if their naive morons and disrespectful like you then NO ... I wonder how many girls in the past that have come in this forum and what they think of your ppl in this forum. I seen respectful ones but more than anything i seen more belittle girls in here.

Yes you call them names, when guys get on on a woman's side.

Won't surprise me, if you told ryz to carry you on with you. I don't attack anybody for not reason there has to be an action for me to react. You were just wanting for me to degrade you, your a child 5 yr old.

Anyway i have things to do. Have a beautiful simpleton.

Of course they're ppl that are more vile than yourself......but what was the point of saying that???lol
I couldn't understand the second half,but I think you were trying to state that I should feel honored that you call me racial slurs???lol....WHAT THA FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT....HAHAHAHAHAHAA

Like I said before,the only reason I interacted w/ you is because of something "YOU" said...not me

[doctor screw]

wake the fuck up .... hello you live in diverse world with different opinions theres ppl far worst than me and ppl that won't to even carry a conversation with you guys, at least i have to decency to do it in life but if their naive morons and disrespectful like you then NO ... I wonder how many girls in the past that have come in this forum and what they think of your ppl in this forum. I seen respectful ones but more than anything i seen more belittle girls in here.

Yes you call them names, when guys get on on a woman's side.

Won't surprise me, if you told ryz to carry you on with you. I don't attack anybody for not reason there has to be an action for me to react. You were just wanting for me to degrade you, your a child 5 yr old.

Anyway i have things to do. Have a beautiful simpleton.



You just indirectly insulted my race again....LOL
"I wonder how many girls in the past that have come in this forum and what they think of your ppl in this forum. I seen respectful ones but more than anything i seen more belittle girls in here. "

From what I've witness,blacks have always been accepted targets around here.....even though things have gotten a lil better since seanchi(I think that's how you spell his name)took over.

You called them names.not the other way around....THA FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT....LOL
Stop trying to play the victim

...and what tha fuck is a beautiful simpleton .....LOL

[jamiethewild]

You just indirectly insulted my race again....LOL
"I wonder how many girls in the past that have come in this forum and what they think of your ppl in this forum. I seen respectful ones but more than anything i seen more belittle girls in here. "

From what I've witness,blacks have always been accepted targets around here.....even though things have gotten a lil better since seanchi(I think that's how you spell his name)took over.

You called them names.not the other way around....THA FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT....LOL
Stop trying to play the victim

...and what tha fuck is a beautiful simpleton .....LOL

I did it in suppose for you LOL ,am glad you got your good laugh.
Thanks for proving my point how you patronize woman here. :dead:

[doctor screw]

I did it in suppose for you LOL ,am glad you got your good laugh.
Thanks for proving my point how you patronize woman here. :dead:

I patronize you because you're a racist asshole....how many times do I have to say it.....lol

"I did it in suppose for you"-That was on purpose too???LOL

[joeninety]

What has democracy got to do with it? You were kicked out for being an asshat - not for sticking up for someone.


Wtf now I am completely lost:confused: I thought I was kicked out for getting into a spat with other members who were on a witch hunt and taking advantage of a girl who could not properly put across what she wanted to say due to her limited English, so since it wasn't that then what the heck was I booted for:mad: