Jamie French, Eva Cassini, Tiffany Starr robbed at gun point.

[Jamie French]

On 10/03/2012 at 10:20pm Jamie French, Eva Cassini and Tiffany Starr were robbed at gun point in there own apartment. Although no one was hurt the assailants made away with $550.oo cash and Tiffany's cell phone. The money was supposed to be spent on October's rent. We are incredibly appreciative for any help you can give to help us recover this loss.

Again, sincerely. Thank you. J. E & T.

http://skullcandymed...m/donation.html

[loveboof]

Are you sure you don't want to make a little video showing us your missing airbed and stuff?

[Prospero]

I don't get your remark, Loveboof.

But girls - I am really sorry to hear about that. It sucks.

[FiremanforTS]

Sory to hear about that. Terrible.

Bryan

[GroobySteven]

Sorry to hear that Jamie.
Here's an idea folks - go and join Jamie's site and see her AND Eva. I'll rush 100% of her money to her when it comes in. That way you can help out - and enjoy them both at the same time!

[tsdvdman]

I'm sorry but this is as low and pathetic as it gets...on here begging for ANY help that you can get to help make rent? WOW

[Jericho]

I don't get your remark, Loveboof.

I'm thinking he's hinting at the Sarina thread. :shrug

[loveboof]

I don't get your remark, Loveboof.


I'm thinking he's hinting at the Sarina thread. :shrug
Yeah.. I don't want to be insensitive but this did remind me of the Sarina fund

[amberskyi]

Awkward...lol

[flabbybody]

spend some time with LE and go through all their pics. If there's no other similar incidents in your area it might be people you know or had contact with.
hope u filled out report.

[betts]

i'll reserve judgment...

http://www.spotcrime.com/tx/arlington

... maybe the report hasn't been filed yet

[GrimFusion]

Yeah... I have some serious trouble believing any of this.
If it is just a donation post, arguing about it kinda defeats the purpose though.

[EvaCassini]

Guys, really? This happened. This is not a joke on Sarina's thing, this honestly happened last night. When we get the police report we will post it. There was a lot of officers here last night and they took two statements each from the three of us.
This is no flim flam shit, there was a gun pointed at all three of us, that's no laughing matter. Jamie and I co-operated so no one would get hurt, but Tiff acted stupid and put up a struggle and could've easily gotten shot. they had the money then left.

The donation part is for help that we truly need for rent and, Jamie and I want to move out as well and go somewhere safer, so we need help with that as well. we don't make make butt-loads of money like the name-brand porn models.

-Eva Cassini

[GrimFusion]

Guys, really? This happened. This is not a joke on Sarina's thing, this honestly happened last night. When we get the police report we will post it. There was a lot of officers here last night and they took two statements each from the three of us.
This is no flim flam shit, there was a gun pointed at all three of us, that's no laughing matter. Jamie and I co-operated so no one would get hurt, but Tiff acted stupid and put up a struggle and could've easily gotten shot. they had the money then left.

The donation part is for help that we truly need for rent and, Jamie and I want to move out as well and go somewhere safer, so we need help with that as well. we don't make make butt-loads of money like the name-brand porn models.

-Eva Cassini

I abnegate, then.
Between the coincidence relating to Sarina's situation, the lack of detail and urgency, the post just seemed a little illegitimate.
Hokay; I believe you.
I don't think supplying a police report is necessary. I'm just glad the three of you weren't hurt.

[youngblood61]

Sorry to hear this girls, be safe.

[Nikka]

I'm just glad the three of you weren't hurt.

why people keep saying this?

I wud rather to lost a finger than lost my hard earned money

[jamesedwards]

why people keep saying this?

I wud rather to lost a finger than lost my hard earned money

Are you serious? See you can get the money back, but you can't get your life nor finger back, you do realize that right? smh

[dafame]

I'm in Dallas and have been looking forward to meeting you ladies. Please tell me the perpetrators weren't black so I know I stll have a chance of that happening.

[Jamie French]

They were black. So's my drummer, so what? They were thieves. That's the part that matters.

And to Nikki... what in the sam hell are you talking about? Loose a finger rather than fucking money? Are you retarded? Fuck, you can STEAL money if you have to, (they did) there's nothing you can do to get your life back if someone takes it from you.

Saints alive, jesus wept.


I'm in Dallas and have been looking forward to meeting you ladies. Please tell me the perpetrators weren't black so I know I stll have a chance of that happening.

[youngblood61]

Are you serious? See you can get the money back, but you can't get your life nor finger back, you do realize that right? smh:iagree: Nikka if the thief said money or your life would you lose your life for the money? Just sayin':-)

[dafame]

Great way to look at it. Sorry that happened to you though.

[dafame]

They were black. So's my drummer, so what? They were thieves. That's the part that matters.

And to Nikki... what in the sam hell are you talking about? Loose a finger rather than fucking money? Are you retarded? Fuck, you can STEAL money if you have to, (they did) there's nothing you can do to get your life back if someone takes it from you.

Saints alive, jesus wept.

Great way to look at the situation. Sorry that happened to yiu though.

[Nikka]

ok I am sorry pretend I didn't said that

[youngblood61]

ok I am sorry pretend I didn't said thatWe wouldn't want to lose you Nikka!:)

[GroobySteven]

ok I am sorry pretend I didn't said that

Framed and on my wall :-)

[BellaBellucci]

This would be a lot easier to believe if you weren't always looking for 'help.' :geek:

~BB~

[natina]

victims of violent crime will pay your rent.

just call the police department in your local area and ask for the application


HOPE YOU ARE DOING WELL KNOW

[Wendy Summers]

Sucky situation... glad you're all physically ok.

[tsdvdman]

O.K..Let's see
Three girls..
three PORN "stars"..
three escorts..
multiple websites..
multiple photoshoots..
fetish niche shoots..
Endless promotional updates..
bands..cds and other earning potential activities..
EQUALS=NOTHING..Zero!!..And now shamelessly Begging for "help"
SOMEBODY must be smoking crack.
And then you wonder why most people (in and out of the industry) see you as nothing more than freaks and fetish fantasy. You don't even have the mental ability to earn and maintain the basics like everyone else has to.
One of you (Jamie) needs to pitch a tent at the local circus with a bucket so people can drop loose change.

[BellaBellucci]

O.K..Let's see
Three girls..
three PORN "stars"..
three escorts..
multiple websites..
multiple photoshoots..
fetish niche shoots..
Endless promotional updates..
bands..cds and other earning potential activities..
EQUALS=NOTHING..Zero!!..And now shamelessly Begging for "help"
SOMEBODY must be smoking crack.
And then you wonder why most people (in and out of the industry) see you as nothing more than freaks and fetish fantasy. You don't even have the mental ability to earn and maintain the basics like everyone else has to.
One of you (Jamie) needs to pitch a tent at the local circus with a bucket so people can drop loose change.

'A little harsh, Gretch.'

Mean Girls Phone Scene - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awow8HpWNcg)

~BB~

[Genetic]

Are you sure you don't want to make a little video showing us your missing airbed and stuff?
I'll give you credit on this on dude. I laughed.

[GroobyKrissy]

Good grief... what is the harm in giving someone the benefit of the doubt once in a while. Y'all are a bunch of cynics!

Jamie, Eva, Tiffany... I am glad you all are OK.

[Nikka]

'A little harsh, Gretch.'

Mean Girls Phone Scene - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awow8HpWNcg)

~BB~

saw that movie again past weekend for the 20th time
love lindsay :)

[Genetic]

Good grief... what is the harm in giving someone the benefit of the doubt once in a while. Y'all are a bunch of cynics!


Did you see the Sarina video that people are referring to? That video was a little suspicious to some people and with this coming only a week later, there was bound to be a bit of suspicion.

You've also got to bear in mind that a number of girls within the industry tend to be pretty negative towards their fans, calling them chasers, faggots and bitching about the fans only being interested in them for their cock. There's also a lot of "I'm a successful pornstar" trumpeting around, but suddenly when someone breaks their iPhone, needs tits, or whatever then the fans are the first port of call for donations. So again, you can't expect everyone to jump up and down in excitement to part with their hard earned cash. Obviously not every ts star is like that, but there are a number and it does grate on people, especially as there's been a lot of it recently (I'm not going to cite specific examples as to avoid bringing up old shit).

I'm not aiming any of this at the girls in this incident and I'm very glad they are all safe.

[BellaBellucci]

Good grief... what is the harm in giving someone the benefit of the doubt once in a while. Y'all are a bunch of cynics!

Jamie, Eva, Tiffany... I am glad you all are OK.

OK, sure... if cynical means doubting someone who's come here with their hand out repeatedly in the very recent past, then I guess I'm cynical. At least I'm not naive.

~BB~

[MHarrigan82]

Sorry to hear that Jamie. I hope the police find the punks that did it. I also leave in the DFW area.

[BellaBellucci]

Sorry to hear that Jamie. I hope the police find the punks that did it. I also leave in the DFW area.

I don't think they want to leave, although maybe this will be a wake-up call. :rolleyes:

~BB~

[tsdvdman]

'A little harsh, Gretch.'

Mean Girls Phone Scene - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awow8HpWNcg)

~BB~
Yep..t was meant to be. It's called tough love..:werd:

[BellaBellucci]

Yep..t was meant to be. It's called tough love..:werd:

I'm just saying: there's a fine line between 'tough love' and 'Nicole Dupre.'

(Love ya, girl, wherever you are!) :lol:

~BB~

[loveboof]

To be honest I feel bad for them if they've been robbed, but I think it's a bit skanky to beg for handouts.


Enjoy these while they last 'small breast' fellas... they will soon be B's - maybe C's.


You almost got enough for a boob job, then you can afford your rent! End of...

[BellaBellucci]

To be honest I feel bad for them if they've been robbed, but I think it's a bit skanky to beg for handouts.



You almost got enough for a boob job, then you can afford your rent! End of...

Oops.

~BB~

[GroobyKrissy]

Did you see the Sarina video that people are referring to? That video was a little suspicious to some people and with this coming only a week later, there was bound to be a bit of suspicion.

You've also got to bear in mind that a number of girls within the industry tend to be pretty negative towards their fans, calling them chasers, faggots and bitching about the fans only being interested in them for their cock. There's also a lot of "I'm a successful pornstar" trumpeting around, but suddenly when someone breaks their iPhone, needs tits, or whatever then the fans are the first port of call for donations. So again, you can't expect everyone to jump up and down in excitement to part with their hard earned cash. Obviously not every ts star is like that, but there are a number and it does grate on people, especially as there's been a lot of it recently (I'm not going to cite specific examples as to avoid bringing up old shit).

I'm not aiming any of this at the girls in this incident and I'm very glad they are all safe.
RE: Sarina - Yes, I saw the video, read the threads, read the timeline, etc. and etc. ad nauseam... A very different incident in my mind.

This really isn't a thread about me so I'm not going to interject myself into it for a lengthy debate. The fact of the matter is this...

I don't really see any 'begging' going on here. More of a 'this-is-what-happened-help-if-you-can' thing... Pretty concisely put if you ask me. There are a few choices to the reader.

Be a human being and offer some condolences for something that is terrible.

Donate.

Don't donate.

Besides those, I just don't see the point in making light of it. Seriously, just imagine if you had just gone through a similar situation (and FYI - I have been robbed at knife-point working at a convenience store way back when). If you are skeptical of the situation, then don't donate... it's that easy, no?


OK, sure... if cynical means doubting someone who's come here with their hand out repeatedly in the very recent past, then I guess I'm cynical. At least I'm not naive. ~BB~

So we should judge Jamie on doing what just about EVERY other TS in porn does... (i.e. - having a wishlist, marketing it, and asking FANS to help out)? Yeah, that makes sense.

As for being naive... It isn't naive to have some compassion for people every once in a while. It is being human. Naive would be if I immediately ran to the ATM every time someone I didn't know asked for money... which, last time I checked, my checking account is doing just fine and the causes, charities, and etc. that I donate to are appropriately vetted.

I've met Jamie personally and quite frankly, she is a pretty independent person that works hard to attain a level of success in her life that she is comfortable with. I sincerely doubt that she would make this up just for kicks and giggles. Just not her personality. The other girls I don't know, although I met Tiffany once.

Anyway, I always go way over what I set out to write in the beginning. Done deal... -----> Graceful Exit from this Thread.

[BellaBellucci]

Apparently, I'm not human. :shock:

:lol:

~BB~

[GroobyKrissy]

Apparently, I'm not human. :shock:

:lol:

~BB~

I could have written that post for you. I knew that was incoming. See, I even stuck around to reply. Not what I was saying, obviously.

But, let's face it. You don't like Jamie, never have, and so this is the perfect time for you to come out for some Jamie-bashing. Spade.

Rather poor taste in timing is all I'm saying.

[BellaBellucci]

I could have written that post for you. I knew that was incoming. See, I even stuck around to reply. Not what I was saying, obviously.

Understand one thing: I was being predictable on purpose. What can I say? I'm just that much of a bitch. :whistle:


But, let's face it. You don't like Jamie, never have, and so this is the perfect time for you to come out for some Jamie-bashing. Spade.

Actually, I never had a problem with Jamie until recently. She's been pretty obnoxious to a LOT of people lately. 'Spade.'


Rather poor taste in timing is all I'm saying.

The timing of the robbery coincides with her other attempts to solicit 'donations,' as well as a similar situation involving Sarina. So, yeah... it's all my fault. :rolleyes:

~BB~

[winston93]

True or not why would anyone donate to you? There are people everywhere who struggle to pay the rent. If I'm gonna help someone out like this then it'll be friends or family; not 3 women I've never met. This is a joke. Scroungers smh

[Devilboy]

With a "donation" link in her signature, asking for rent help just seems over the top. I am glad no one was hurt though.

If $550 was taken, and was supposed to be used for rent, I imagine that there is more money around, I don't believe for a minute that was the last $550 the three ladies have. People usually ask for help when they don't have any other outs. If you have the money, then you have options, to ask for help in those situations makes it known that you don't have any concern for the people that would be helping you.

[GrimFusion]

Actually, I never had a problem with Jamie until recently. She's been pretty obnoxious to a LOT of people lately. 'Spade.'
I can attest to that personally, as her late behavior was the reason why I questioned the validity of this robbery to begin with.

[BellaBellucci]

For the record, I too am glad that they're safe, but they would have gotten a lot more sympathy from me without the solicitation.

~BB~

[mistab]

Tiffany was there as well. Doesn't she carry?...


Thats why I always Carry. I'm also a good shot so I doubt i'll be kissing any hammers soon. on topic that is very depressing. No TS girl should suffer hate like that.

[fred41]

... At least I'm not naive.

~BB~

I'm pretty naive...but I'm not stupid.
Not that stupid anyway...:)

[BellaBellucci]

Thats why I always Carry. I'm also a good shot so I doubt i'll be kissing any hammers soon.

That's so hot. ;)

~BB~

[timxxx]

Sorry to hear that Jamie.
Here's an idea folks - go and join Jamie's site and see her AND Eva. I'll rush 100% of her money to her when it comes in. That way you can help out - and enjoy them both at the same time!

Here's a better idea,advance them some $$$ on future work,better & more dignified than relying kindness of strangers.

[onmyknees]

Man........looks like I lost the silver metal for cynicism in here ( Bella's got the gold) . Cynicism is not given...it's earned.....But it's no picnic lookin' down the barrel while somebody bags your valuables. Been there. Just think the solicitation might be better timed if there was some distance from the event.

[tsdvdman]

True or not why would anyone donate to you? There are people everywhere who struggle to pay the rent. If I'm gonna help someone out like this then it'll be friends or family; not 3 women I've never met. This is a joke. Scroungers smh
Very Well Said!!

[GroobyKrissy]

Understand one thing: I was being predictable on purpose. What can I say? I'm just that much of a bitch. :whistle:

Actually, I never had a problem with Jamie until recently. She's been pretty obnoxious to a LOT of people lately. 'Spade.'

The timing of the robbery coincides with her other attempts to solicit 'donations,' as well as a similar situation involving Sarina. So, yeah... it's all my fault. :rolleyes:~BB~

Of course. It is rather silly of me to enjoy the fleeting thought that you are not the witty, grandiose, wordsmith that you envision. My deepest and sincerest apologies.

I never contested your second point but one doesn't have anything to do with the other. Unless of course, you're stating that we should withhold understanding and compassion from all people based upon the foolish things they may say at any given time. I have been openly critical of Jamie's behavior on a different forum but that doesn't mean I can't have some point of understanding for her when something like this comes along.

Sarina... TOTALLY DIFFERENT. COMPLETELY. Not even in the same category besides involving a degree of theft. I know that you're smart enough to work out the differences so I won't.

Well, I never mentioned 'fault' at all so I don't know where you got that from. I will say this though... and this to EVERYBODY.

As I stated before, a thread like this... if you don't agree or don't like it, CLOSE IT and move on. As much as am PRO open discourse, I just don't see the point in implying someone is a fraud or a liar when you don't know the full details. So far I see a lot of backbiting and speculation from persons who, of course, have NEVER asked for help from others in their entire lives.

I sincerely hope that no one ever ends up on the wrong end of a robbery (is there a right end?). All I see here is someone asking for a little help. It is clearly your choice to do so or not, just as it is your choice to be an ass and kick someone while they're down by posting something inanely insensitive.

[tsdvdman]

Of course. It is rather silly of me to enjoy the fleeting thought that you are not the witty, grandiose, wordsmith that you envision. My deepest and sincerest apologies.

I never contested your second point but one doesn't have anything to do with the other. Unless of course, you're stating that we should withhold understanding and compassion from all people based upon the foolish things they may say at any given time. I have been openly critical of Jamie's behavior on a different forum but that doesn't mean I can't have some point of understanding for her when something like this comes along.

Sarina... TOTALLY DIFFERENT. COMPLETELY. Not even in the same category besides involving a degree of theft. I know that you're smart enough to work out the differences so I won't.

Well, I never mentioned 'fault' at all so I don't know where you got that from. I will say this though... and this to EVERYBODY.

As I stated before, a thread like this... if you don't agree or don't like it, CLOSE IT and move on. As much as am PRO open discourse, I just don't see the point in implying someone is a fraud or a liar when you don't know the full details. So far I see a lot of backbiting and speculation from persons who, of course, have NEVER asked for help from others in their entire lives.

I sincerely hope that no one ever ends up on the wrong end of a robbery (is there a right end?). All I see here is someone asking for a little help. It is clearly your choice to do so or not, just as it is your choice to be an ass and kick someone while they're down by posting something inanely insensitive.
It has become very clear by the likes of so many threads asking for handouts that many of you girls find it normal and even come to the defense of girls you don't know who do the same thing. This is NOT how it works in the real world. This is essentially begging plain and simple.
You claim escorting/doing porn is a job..then learn how to manage and get by like everyone else..and NOT rely on handouts from men who you mostly despise.

[BellaBellucci]

It has become very clear by the likes of so many threads asking for handouts that many of you girls find it normal and even come to the defense of girls you don't know who do the same thing. This is NOT how it works in the real world. This is essentially begging plain and simple.
You claim escorting/doing porn is a job..then learn how to manage and get by like everyone else..and NOT rely on handouts from men who you mostly despise.

#truth

We gotta start hashtagging this shit. ;)

~BB~

[tsdvdman]

"Actually, I never had a problem with Jamie until recently. She's been pretty obnoxious to a LOT of people lately. 'Spade.'"
She has responded directly to people with more venom and hate and threatening violence than anyone here in a long time she cannot possibly be looking for sympathy

[GroobyKrissy]

True or not why would anyone donate to you? There are people everywhere who struggle to pay the rent. If I'm gonna help someone out like this then it'll be friends or family; not 3 women I've never met. This is a joke. Scroungers smh

Really... are you kidding? I'm singling this post out but speaking to the negative posters here.

It is called 'COMPASSION', 'CHARITY', 'FAITH IN HUMANITY', 'KINDNESS', 'SYMPATHY' and etc. etc. etc.

It is the same reason someone throws change to a beggar, donates to victims of natural disasters, gives to a homeless shelter, helps out at the local soup kitchen, etc. etc. etc.

I cannot believe this thread has been made into such a big issue.

It is one person (three) asking for a little help. The OP isn't needy, begging, or anything even close. The donation page isn't needy, begging, or anything even close.

This 'kick someone when they're down' mentality is just idiotic. What in the world does it cost you, whether you believe the OP or not, just to say, 'Hey, that sucks. Hope things get better.' rather than be a complete, insensitive ass with a post like this?

To be frank, I'm not the biggest Fan of some of Jamie's posts in the past. It is not my personality and I don't condone some past behavior. That being said, we should all be able to at the very least offer condolences when something like this happens.

Would it have been different for all of you if someone had actually gotten shot and died? Is the fact that nobody got hurt here the 'pooh-pooh' factor that makes this all OK? If Jamie was soliciting for funds to help bury Tiffany Starr, would your thought process be different?

Think on that and then ask yourself about your responses.

[BellaBellucci]

"Actually, I never had a problem with Jamie until recently. She's been pretty obnoxious to a LOT of people lately. 'Spade.'"
She has responded directly to people with more venom and hate and threatening violence than anyone here in a long time she cannot possibly be looking for sympathy

Ironically, didn't Jamie threaten to shoot another member here? :?

~BB~

[jessicamoore]

it does sound kinda fishy 3 tgirls robbed at gunpiont, right around rent time hmm? was the cops called? and you telling me 3 trannies cant get 550.00 up and where is this place that rent is 550.00 lol

[jessicamoore]

I bet there were describe as 3 blacks dudes never fails

[GroobyKrissy]

It has become very clear by the likes of so many threads asking for handouts that many of you girls find it normal and even come to the defense of girls you don't know who do the same thing. This is NOT how it works in the real world. This is essentially begging plain and simple.
You claim escorting/doing porn is a job..then learn how to manage and get by like everyone else..and NOT rely on handouts from men who you mostly despise.

YOU GIRLS? Please... find ONE... just ONE time I have asked for any kind of 'handout'... HERE or ANYWHERE. I did build it.

I'm not coming to the defense of anyone. I'm coming to the defense of common decency. I'm simply stating that there is a bottom line level of decency that should be in play through a thread like this, and the general lack of it, is disturbing to me, personally.

Again, I ask, 'Why do YOU feel the need to post a negative response to a simple request for some help?' If you don't believe the OP, then don't respond at all and let the thread die a slow and painful death.

Umm... yeah... this IS THE REAL WORLD. People ask for 'help' all the time. It is a multi-billion dollar industry. You can donate to just about anything you want. Life is made up of a series of victories and challenges. Sometimes during the challenges, you ask for help to get through them. That is all I see going on here, and until someone proves it differently (i.e. - there is in fact, FRAUD going on here), then isn't it the more compassionate and human thing to do... give the benefit of the doubt and just say, 'Glad you're OK, hope everything works out?' Is that SO bad?

[MHarrigan82]

it does sound kinda fishy 3 tgirls robbed at gunpiont, right around rent time hmm? was the cops called? and you telling me 3 trannies cant get 550.00 up and where is this place that rent is 550.00 lol

Jessica that does sound suspect. I wish my rent was $550.00 dollars lol. Yeah it is hard to believe between three people that they cannot come up with that amount with out going to a porn website forum to ask for donations.

[TatianaSummer]

it does sound kinda fishy 3 tgirls robbed at gunpiont, right around rent time hmm? was the cops called? and you telling me 3 trannies cant get 550.00 up and where is this place that rent is 550.00 lol

:dead: LOL :dead:

[jessicamoore]

Business was slow they dont have the rent money period so crazy 3 men with tits and a cock gets robbed in there apt. That would make a good movie then to come on a tranny site and ask for a donation is just embrassing and pathetic ladies
i suggest you girls call clients and ask if they dating casue noone is gonna give up theri hard earn cash for three trannie with rent issues

[GroobyKrissy]

Business was slow they dont have the rent money period so crazy 3 men with tits and a cock gets robbed in there apt. That would make a good movie then to come on a tranny site and ask for a donation is just embrassing and pathetic ladies
i suggest you girls call clients and ask if they dating casue noone is gonna give up theri hard earn cash for three trannie with rent issues

So, I guess you'd be making these same comments if someone had gotten shot and died.

NOTE TO SELF: When asking for help, make sure you're dead first.

[loveboof]

NOTE TO SELF: When asking for help, make sure you're dead first.

Nobody died. And if they did I still wouldn't help with the rent!

[mistab]

Wish my rent was 550.00....the timing of this was terrible with regard to soliciting funds on-line...the thread with Sarina Valentina soliciting funds on multiple sites kind of opened up a can of worms with regard to people's questioning the validity of such requests. With the economy being what it is, money is tight, but at least you haven't posted a goal of $12,000 like someone else...

[GroobyKrissy]

Jessica that does sound suspect. I wish my rent was $550.00 dollars lol. Yeah it is hard to believe between three people that they cannot come up with that amount with out going to a porn website forum to ask for donations.

OH GOOD LORD. Where in God's green earth was it stated that the $550.00 was the entire rent amount? Wouldn't it be more realistic to say... three people living together... $550.00 is probably a THIRD of the rent?

You people speculating and making a joke of all this is just tasteless. I sincerely hope that when the point comes, as it inevitably will, that you need some help, either emotionally or monetarily, in your own life, you find much more compassion than is found here.

I started by saying I wasn't going to interject myself into this thread but these posts are getting sillier and sillier.

Anyway, I've said my thoughts and I'm out of this thread now. Jamie, Eva, Tiffany, best wishes and I hope this all gets sorted out for you.

[winston93]

I do have sypmathy for them being held up at gun point and robbed but it certainly IS begging to come and ask strangers for money. Asking for money you havent earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more, like i said in that post this is the kind of thing you ask friends and family for not people you've never met. There are people who actually need help far more desperatley than these 3 do. Being short on the rent is an EVERYDAY thing. someone else pointed out that this is almost certainly not their last $500 and even if they really couldnt pay the rent i'm sure their landlord would be understanding given the circumstannces. and lastly tsdvd man made a very good point; why are they scrounging off men who they hold in contempt?

[Quiet Reflections]

did she take her donation page down? Are they still collecting for their boob jobs too? Why wouldn't they use the boob money for rent?

[GroobyKrissy]

Nobody died. And if they did I still wouldn't help with the rent!

OK, one more and then I'm cutting myself off.

...and that's my point. Thank you for making it so beautifully.

So, then move on.

[loveboof]

You people speculating and making a joke of all this is just tasteless.



...and that's my point. Thank you for making it so beautifully.


Am I speculating here by posting her own words:


Yeah, I'm dumb. The kind of stupid person that runs their own music studio, video production company, is one of Grooby Productions highest paid video editors, runs their own solo website, dates the hottest trans and main stream porn stars alike, doesn't have to work a day job for a living, does what they want when they want without having to answer to a single living soul, stays in shape, is completely self disciplined, is drug and disease free, has a loving family life and is completely self actualized. I sure do sound pretty stupid.

You can't even begin to touch me ya' big wad. Let it go and return to your jerkin' off on the internet. That's your role in all of this. Don't forget your station in life.

Does that sound like a person who can't scrape $500 together? Why is she begging strangers for cash when she has got so much going on?!

Are you telling me I don't have a right to point out her hypocrisy? I give money to charity and regularly help the homeless.. This is different - I'm not sure she deserves my sympathy or charity.

[jessicamoore]

Far as a police report anyone an make a report hun doesnt prove anything

[GrimFusion]

I'm not coming to the defense of anyone. I'm coming to the defense of common decency. I'm simply stating that there is a bottom line level of decency that should be in play through a thread like this, and the general lack of it, is disturbing to me, personally.
There may be a bottom-line level of decency, but this isn't it. Quit being a drama queen.


Again, I ask, 'Why do YOU feel the need to post a negative response to a simple request for some help?' If you don't believe the OP, then don't respond at all and let the thread die a slow and painful death.
In light of the circumstances, there is obviously an overwhelming sense of distrust shared by a substantial group of posters. If I hadn't brought it up, somebody else would have. I like how you're taking all this time debating Bella on her opinion when I was the one to first mention it. Back-biting much?


Umm... yeah... this IS THE REAL WORLD. People ask for 'help' all the time. It is a multi-billion dollar industry. You can donate to just about anything you want. Life is made up of a series of victories and challenges. Sometimes during the challenges, you ask for help to get through them. That is all I see going on here, and until someone proves it differently (i.e. - there is in fact, FRAUD going on here), then isn't it the more compassionate and human thing to do... give the benefit of the doubt and just say, 'Glad you're OK, hope everything works out?' Is that SO bad?
It's not so bad when you know the person in question and you're sure they aren't the type. We're not you. God, you're a loud bitch.

[jessicamoore]

I would never make a joke of someone being robbed but rent is due on first of the month why have 550.00 laying around just dont sound truthful thats all maybe it did happen if so i hope you ladies are alright but to ask stranger on a sex site isnt the way to go about it

[tsdvdman]

YOU GIRLS? Please... find ONE... just ONE time I have asked for any kind of 'handout'... HERE or ANYWHERE. I did build it.

I'm not coming to the defense of anyone. I'm coming to the defense of common decency. I'm simply stating that there is a bottom line level of decency that should be in play through a thread like this, and the general lack of it, is disturbing to me, personally.

Again, I ask, 'Why do YOU feel the need to post a negative response to a simple request for some help?' If you don't believe the OP, then don't respond at all and let the thread die a slow and painful death.

Umm... yeah... this IS THE REAL WORLD. People ask for 'help' all the time. It is a multi-billion dollar industry. You can donate to just about anything you want. Life is made up of a series of victories and challenges. Sometimes during the challenges, you ask for help to get through them. That is all I see going on here, and until someone proves it differently (i.e. - there is in fact, FRAUD going on here), then isn't it the more compassionate and human thing to do... give the benefit of the doubt and just say, 'Glad you're OK, hope everything works out?' Is that SO bad?
I don't know you but I actually like your board input..pics..promo updates..etc..but I think you are so wrong in this. No.I never seen you ask for anything on this forum from anyone..you don't seem like the type.
The fact is..you have 3 able bodied girls who WORK. One of them in which spews more hate on here to random people than anyone else as of late.
There's something seriously wrong if between the 3 of them they can not come up with 5 and some change to make rent..and need to solicit donations from a majority unknown group.
If this is normal accepted behavior and representative of the TS escorting/pornstar community then Yall all need to get out of the game. You all are getting PIMPED big time.

[jessicamoore]

Now i get 1-3 of them dont have the rent this month and now finding a way to pay thier portion no thanks not buying this movie hun
future reference dont move in with ppl have your own problem like this is common someone cant pay their part

[GroobyKrissy]

I do have sypmathy for them being held up at gun point and robbed but it certainly IS begging to come and ask strangers for money. Asking for money you havent earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more, like i said in that post this is the kind of thing you ask friends and family for not people you've never met. There are people who actually need help far more desperatley than these 3 do. Being short on the rent is an EVERYDAY thing. someone else pointed out that this is almost certainly not their last $500 and even if they really couldnt pay the rent i'm sure their landlord would be understanding given the circumstannces. and lastly tsdvd man made a very good point; why are they scrounging off men who they hold in contempt?

OK... one more and then I'm really cutting myself off.

Do you realize how insanely illogical this is:

"Asking for money you haven't earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more..."

I mean, it is so insane that I actually feel stupid having to explain the difference. Begging is persistent, consistent, and borders on pestering. If you've ever owned a dog, you know what begging is. Scrounging is foraging for leftovers. Neither one applies here. This was ONE post... in ONE thread (at least until Eva posted as well). Is the Red Cross 'begging' when they ask for donations? By your definition, pretty much EVERYONE in the world is a beggar, including, I would suspect, yourself. At some point or another, unless you are completely off the grid, you have probably applied for credit (i.e. - asked for money you didn't have / earn) or had a loan. If not, kudos to you.

Nor do your other points apply. It is incongruent to say that because 'There are people who actually need help far more desperatley than these 3 do' that this is an invalid request. In fact, I would say that is a total cop-out to clear the conscience.

Let me be clear. I have absolutely NO issue with people NOT giving to this, nor am I saying you SHOULD. I am simply saying, please...

Let's stop with the making shit up that wasn't said in the OP (speculation).

Offer condolences if you want to. Donate if you want to.

If you dislike Jamie, Tiffany, or Eva, then don't donate and don't offer condolences.

Resist the temptation to be snarky to boost your ego and show everyone how smart you are not to be 'taken in' by this and just move on if you've got nothing positive to say.

OK... I am off to play Borderlands 2 to clear my head and blow shit up imagining it is some of you here. That is a joke for those who are going to cry about me blowing them up.

[winston93]

A point well made loveboof why don't they just get the money from one of Jamie's many income streams? I bet half the people on this thread are struggling with the rent and most of them probably don't have their own music studio, video production company, website and a high paying job as an editor

[BellaBellucci]

Nice. Now Jamie is morally equivalent to the Red Cross. :rolleyes:

Well, ain't this just the thread that keeps on giving? :lol:

~BB~

[GroobyKrissy]

Nice. Now Jamie is morally equivalent to the Red Cross. :rolleyes:

Well, ain't this just the thread that keeps on giving? :lol:

~BB~

SOO taken out of context. But again, SOO predictable. Pretty much standard for the way your debate.

[GroobyKrissy]

There may be a bottom-line level of decency, but this isn't it. Quit being a drama queen.


In light of the circumstances, there is obviously an overwhelming sense of distrust shared by a substantial group of posters. If I hadn't brought it up, somebody else would have. I like how you're taking all this time debating Bella on her opinion when I was the one to first mention it. Back-biting much?


It's not so bad when you know the person in question and you're sure they aren't the type. We're not you. God, you're a loud bitch.

Grim, you are so full of yourself that I seriously can't take anything you say with anything but laughter.

I already know that you are the Master and Commander of the World and Know-It-All-Second-To-None. I bow (again) to your worthiness.

Please wow me more with your intellectual prowess and invaluable ability to put others down.

[BellaBellucci]

SOO taken out of context. But again, SOO predictable. Pretty much standard for the way your debate.


Is the Red Cross 'begging' when they ask for donations?

In legal circles, that's what they call 'opening the door.'

But more importantly, if you can predict my responses to your ridiculous arguments, why do you continue to make ridiculous arguments? :?

'Grandiose,' indeed.

~BB~

[winston93]

:dead:
OK... one more and then I'm really cutting myself off.

Do you realize how insanely illogical this is:

"Asking for money you haven't earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more..."

I mean, it is so insane that I actually feel stupid having to explain the difference. Begging is persistent, consistent, and borders on pestering. If you've ever owned a dog, you know what begging is. Scrounging is foraging for leftovers. Neither one applies here. This was ONE post... in ONE thread (at least until Eva posted as well). Is the Red Cross 'begging' when they ask for donations? By your definition, pretty much EVERYONE in the world is a beggar, including, I would suspect, yourself. At some point or another, unless you are completely off the grid, you have probably applied for credit (i.e. - asked for money you didn't have / earn) or had a loan. If not, kudos to you.

Nor do your other points apply. It is incongruent to say that because 'There are people who actually need help far more desperatley than these 3 do' that this is an invalid request. In fact, I would say that is a total cop-out to clear the conscience.

Let me be clear. I have absolutely NO issue with people NOT giving to this, nor am I saying you SHOULD. I am simply saying, please...

Let's stop with the making shit up that wasn't said in the OP (speculation).

Offer condolences if you want to. Donate if you want to.

If you dislike Jamie, Tiffany, or Eva, then don't donate and don't offer condolences.

Resist the temptation to be snarky to boost your ego and show everyone how smart you are not to be 'taken in' by this and just move on if you've got nothing positive to say.

OK... I am off to play Borderlands 2 to clear my head and blow shit up imagining it is some of you here. That is a joke for those who are going to cry about me blowing them up.

WOW. Scrounging has more than one defintion one of which is 'to borrow with no intention of paying back'. They ARE begging and yes the red cross begs too but i'm happy to give them money because its a good cause. and my point about there being many more deserving people was not a request it was a statement and a true one at that. If i am going to donate money to strangers then its going to be to starving africans on less than a dollar a day rather than 3 well remunerated people in the world's richest country.

[GroobyKrissy]

"Is the Red Cross 'begging' when they ask for donations?" - Krissy

In legal circles, that's what they call 'opening the door.'

But more importantly, if you can predict my responses to your ridiculous arguments, why do you continue to make ridiculous arguments? :?

'Grandiose,' indeed.

~BB~

Again, a predictable question.

The answer is simple. Because I keep hoping you have the intellectual capacity to put forth a non-ridiculous response. So far, in my dealings with you... hasn't happened. I keep hearing about this witty, amazing, thoughtful, intellectual Bella... maybe there is another.

The Red Cross question wasn't posed or implied in the context of applying to Jamie. It was an actual legal thing that legally is called a 'question'...legally.

As in, the the other person stated, "...Asking for money you haven't earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more..." The Red Cross is probably the largest and most easily recognized charity in the world, which is why it immediately came to mind when I was thinking of a charity who asks for money they haven't earned. It was a question to the poster, 'Winston93' and not used in any way to support an argument that Jamie is or equal to the Red Cross.

I'm really sorry that I had to actually explain that to you. I must find this other Bella that people speak of.

[GrimFusion]

Grim, you are so full of yourself that I seriously can't take anything you say with anything but laughter.

I already know that you are the Master and Commander of the World and Know-It-All-Second-To-None. I bow (again) to your worthiness.

Please wow me more with your intellectual prowess and invaluable ability to put others down.

You have no idea how many debates I've completely lost around here, do you?
I'm honored that you think so highly of me, but that's completely beside the point. If you didn't think my last reply contained any amount of credence, you wouldn't have wasted this reply on nothing but distraction. Glad to know we're getting somewhere, though.

[loveboof]

There's probably no point Bella responding to Krissy.. she know's exactly what you're gonna say before you do!

You're so predictable Bella! Go on... say it:

[Devilboy]

Really... are you kidding? I'm singling this post out but speaking to the negative posters here.

It is called 'COMPASSION', 'CHARITY', 'FAITH IN HUMANITY', 'KINDNESS', 'SYMPATHY' and etc. etc. etc.

It is the same reason someone throws change to a beggar, donates to victims of natural disasters, gives to a homeless shelter, helps out at the local soup kitchen, etc. etc. etc.

I cannot believe this thread has been made into such a big issue.

It is one person (three) asking for a little help. The OP isn't needy, begging, or anything even close. The donation page isn't needy, begging, or anything even close.

This 'kick someone when they're down' mentality is just idiotic. What in the world does it cost you, whether you believe the OP or not, just to say, 'Hey, that sucks. Hope things get better.' rather than be a complete, insensitive ass with a post like this?

To be frank, I'm not the biggest Fan of some of Jamie's posts in the past. It is not my personality and I don't condone some past behavior. That being said, we should all be able to at the very least offer condolences when something like this happens.

Would it have been different for all of you if someone had actually gotten shot and died? Is the fact that nobody got hurt here the 'pooh-pooh' factor that makes this all OK? If Jamie was soliciting for funds to help bury Tiffany
Starr, would your thought process be different?

Think on that and then ask yourself about your responses.
There's a big difference between the guy with one leg, and a sign..will work for food sitting on the interstate off ramp and a "buy me some tits", "pay my rent" series of posts. Get real. Almost everyone offered condolences, glad no one was hurt, etc.....
Don't compare victims of natural disaster to 3 ladies being robbed for a minimal amount of money.

[GroobyKrissy]

:dead:

WOW. Scrounging has more than one defintion one of which is 'to borrow with no intention of paying back'. They ARE begging and yes the red cross begs too but i'm happy to give them money because its a good cause. and my point about there being many more deserving people was not a request it was a statement and a true one at that. If i am going to donate money to strangers then its going to be to starving africans on less than a dollar a day rather than 3 well remunerated people in the world's richest country.

OMG... smoking gun. You got me. I am dying...

Interesting enough, if you're donating to starving Africans, it is more likely that you're lining the pockets of corrupt politicians and/or bureaucrats, so I hope you're actually going to Africa and handing your dollars to a starving one or at least doing your homework on the charities you donate to.

Kudos to supporting your local dictator though! Much more fruitful, I agree.

[BellaBellucci]

I keep hearing about this witty, amazing, thoughtful, intellectual Bella... maybe there is another.

Lies. All lies.


The Red Cross question wasn't posed or implied in the context of applying to Jamie. It was an actual legal thing that legally is called a 'question'...legally.

Uhh... huh?! :?


The Red Cross is probably the largest and most easily recognized charity in the world, which is why it immediately came to mind when I was thinking of a charity who asks for money they haven't earned.

Regardless of how, you made a comparison. If you don't understand your own argument, then I guess I really can't help you.


I'm really sorry that I had to actually explain that to you. I must find this other Bella that people speak of.

Did I mention... LIES?!

I thought the Borderlands were calling you? If I listen really closely, I can hear them cry, 'Krissy, Krissy!'

~BB~

[loveboof]

I knew you'd say that Bella! ... lol

[BellaBellucci]

Interesting enough, if you're donating to starving Africans, it is more likely that you're lining the pockets of corrupt politicians and/or bureaucrats, so I hope you're actually going to Africa and handing your dollars to a starving one or at least doing your homework on the charities you donate to.

Kudos to supporting your local dictator though! Much more fruitful, I agree.

Gotta give you credit for this one. Well said.


I knew you'd say that Bella! ... lol

Apparently, reports of my unpredictable nature are lies as well. :lol:

~BB~

[GroobyKrissy]

There's a big difference between the guy with one leg, and a sign..will work for food sitting on the interstate off ramp and a "buy me some tits", "pay my rent" series of posts. Get real. Almost everyone offered condolences, glad no one was hurt, etc.....
Don't compare victims of natural disaster to 3 ladies being robbed for a minimal amount of money.

Incorrect... I am far too lazy to do so but the majority of the posts here are not condolences or given as an afterthought after a backhand... as yours was. Someone count them up at this post and prove me wrong.

OMG... you people cannot read... or at least, cannot comprehend what you're reading! I have NOT, in any way, said this was ON PAR with victims of natural disasters, or anything as serious. Please QUOTE it for me if I have. That is an entirely different contextual debate.

Regarding Jamie and the OP, I have simply stated, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything and move on.

[loveboof]

if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything and move on.

Well as soon as Jamie herself takes your advice, maybe others will follow...

[BellaBellucci]

Incorrect... I am far too lazy to do so but the majority of the posts here are not condolences or given as an afterthought after a backhand... as yours was. Someone count them up at this post and prove me wrong.

OMG... you people cannot read... or at least, cannot comprehend what you're reading! I have NOT, in any way, said this was ON PAR with victims of natural disasters, or anything as serious. Please QUOTE it for me if I have. That is an entirely different contextual debate.

Regarding Jamie and the OP, I have simply stated, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything and move on.

'Krissy! Come play me! Krissy!'

~BB~

[GroobyKrissy]

Well as soon as Jamie herself takes your advice, maybe others will follow...

Sadly, I have no argument for this and quite honestly, it is the first thing you've said that actually makes sense. One does reap what one sows.

So, the next question, is can you choose to be the bigger person, take the high road, and offer a sincere bit of well-wishing? That's all I'm saying.

[GroobyKrissy]

Regardless of how, you made a comparison. If you don't understand your own argument, then I guess I really can't help you.~BB~

Context is everything. If you don't understand the context of the argument, then I guess I really can't help you either.

Completely different debate... went off on a tangent with @Winston93.

[GrimFusion]

Again, a predictable question.

The answer is simple. Because I keep hoping you have the intellectual capacity to put forth a non-ridiculous response. So far, in my dealings with you... hasn't happened. I keep hearing about this witty, amazing, thoughtful, intellectual Bella... maybe there is another.

The Red Cross question wasn't posed or implied in the context of applying to Jamie. It was an actual legal thing that legally is called a 'question'...legally.

As in, the the other person stated, "...Asking for money you haven't earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more..." The Red Cross is probably the largest and most easily recognized charity in the world, which is why it immediately came to mind when I was thinking of a charity who asks for money they haven't earned. It was a question to the poster, 'Winston93' and not used in any way to support an argument that Jamie is or equal to the Red Cross.

I'm really sorry that I had to actually explain that to you. I must find this other Bella that people speak of.

You don't win an argument by calling everyone around you stupid. You're sure as hell not making any friends that way. I think it's pretty safe to assume that you're not going to say anything valuable enough to deflect the negative opinions that keep showing up in the thread. You lost your point two pages ago while you were trying to tell everyone to keep their opinions to themselves in a public forum. We can both see how well that has worked.

[winston93]

OK... one more and then I'm really cutting myself off.

Do you realize how insanely illogical this is:

"Asking for money you haven't earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more..."

I mean, it is so insane that I actually feel stupid having to explain the difference. Begging is persistent, consistent, and borders on pestering. If you've ever owned a dog, you know what begging is. Scrounging is foraging for leftovers. Neither one applies here. This was ONE post... in ONE thread (at least until Eva posted as well). Is the Red Cross 'begging' when they ask for donations? By your definition, pretty much EVERYONE in the world is a beggar, including, I would suspect, yourself. At some point or another, unless you are completely off the grid, you have probably applied for credit (i.e. - asked for money you didn't have / earn) or had a loan. If not, kudos to you.

Nor do your other points apply. It is incongruent to say that because 'There are people who actually need help far more desperatley than these 3 do' that this is an invalid request. In fact, I would say that is a total cop-out to clear the conscience.

Let me be clear. I have absolutely NO issue with people NOT giving to this, nor am I saying you SHOULD. I am simply saying, please...

Let's stop with the making shit up that wasn't said in the OP (speculation).

Offer condolences if you want to. Donate if you want to.

If you dislike Jamie, Tiffany, or Eva, then don't donate and don't offer condolences.

Resist the temptation to be snarky to boost your ego and show everyone how smart you are not to be 'taken in' by this and just move on if you've got nothing positive to say.

OK... I am off to play Borderlands 2 to clear my head and blow shit up imagining it is some of you here. That is a joke for those who are going to cry about me blowing them up.


OMG... smoking gun. You got me. I am dying...

Interesting enough, if you're donating to starving Africans, it is more likely that you're lining the pockets of corrupt politicians and/or bureaucrats, so I hope you're actually going to Africa and handing your dollars to a starving one or at least doing your homework on the charities you donate to.

Kudos to supporting your local dictator though! Much more fruitful, I agree.

ok krissy i think you're just being fecitious now and it's embaressing. My point was that if im going to give strangers money it'll be to people who deserve it.
Also you're confusing aid money and charitable donations; the money that lines the pockets of dictators and corrupt politicians is aid money paid from western governments not charity donations. Aid is paid from government to government and yes you're right often that money doesnt go to the needy. but when I or any individual donate money it goes straight to the charity who work out there and I can rest safe in the knowledge that my money is doing some good at least. krissy you've been losing this argument for a long time. Just give up please

[GroobyKrissy]

'Krissy! Come play me! Krissy!'

~BB~

You're just too entertaining.

My Siren is calling though. I wish I could phaselock you. That was dumb. Out!

[loveboof]

Sadly, I have no argument for this and quite honestly, it is the first thing you've said that actually makes sense. One does reap what one sows.

So, the next question, is can you choose to be the bigger person, take the high road, and offer a sincere bit of well-wishing? That's all I'm saying.

I wish everyone well.. i'm quite nice like that :)

How did this not make sense to you:

Yeah, I'm dumb. The kind of stupid person that runs their own music studio, video production company, is one of Grooby Productions highest paid video editors, runs their own solo website, dates the hottest trans and main stream porn stars alike, doesn't have to work a day job for a living, does what they want when they want without having to answer to a single living soul, stays in shape, is completely self disciplined, is drug and disease free, has a loving family life and is completely self actualized. I sure do sound pretty stupid.

You can't even begin to touch me ya' big wad. Let it go and return to your jerkin' off on the internet. That's your role in all of this. Don't forget your station in life.
I simply asked why she has to beg strangers for the rent money when she has so many sources of income... seems fairly reasonable to me :/

[GroobyKrissy]

ok krissy i think you're just being fecitious now and it's embaressing. My point was that if im going to give strangers money it'll be to people who deserve it.
Also you're confusing aid money and charitable donations; the money that lines the pockets of dictators and corrupt politicians is aid money paid from western governments not charity donations. Aid is paid from government to government and yes you're right often that money doesnt go to the needy. but when I or any individual donate money it goes straight to the charity who work out there and I can rest safe in the knowledge that my money is doing some good at least. krissy you've been losing this argument for a long time. Just give up please

So who is naive now? You clearly do not understand how many charities work. This little thing called 'overhead' or 'administrative costs'... yeah... I'll just let Bella take this one if she wants.

[BellaBellucci]

So who is naive now? You clearly do not understand how many charities work. This little thing called 'overhead' or 'administrative costs'... yeah... I'll just let Bella take this one if she wants.

Pass. It should be common sense that charities don't pay for themselves. Thanks for the shout though. And I appreciate what you're trying to do; I just think you chose the wrong horse to back this time. Enjoy your game, hon. :)

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Oh, and one more thing. We're on a site dedicated to beautiful transwomen, many of whom are worlds better looking than I'll ever be. So why is it wrong for me to utilize my intelligence to level the playing field? I don't brag about it unless I'm on the defensive or being ironic, so it seems fair to me. :?

~BB~

[GroobyKrissy]

You don't win an argument by calling everyone around you stupid. You're sure as hell not making any friends that way. I think it's pretty safe to assume that you're not going to say anything valuable enough to deflect the negative opinions that keep showing up in the thread. You lost your point two pages ago while you were trying to tell everyone to keep their opinions to themselves in a public forum. We can both see how well that has worked.

Grim... if you love Bella that much, get a room. Seriously.

Bella is adult enough and also witty enough to know that this is tongue-in-cheek humor. She gives. She receives. Much like a whore. I sincerely doubt she needs you, and your All-Important Self to stick up for her but she probably appreciates the respect.

Thanks for keeping score too. I'm really not here to 'win' arguments, and if you have looked at my posting history, you'll see that I rarely get involved in actual discussions of this nature. Just every once in a while when one strikes me and I have the free time. Unlike yourself, I'm pretty secure in my intelligence and don't really need to show it off and put other people down at every chance I get to stroke my own ego.

[winston93]

Well i dont donate to dodgy charities like that and anyway you were talking about foriegn aid money going to corrupt governments. the charity i normally support is Oxfam a well established and respected charity here in england. You are ignoring every good argument krissy and just trying to be a smart ass.

[Jericho]

..........! :smoking

[robertlouis]

So who is naive now? You clearly do not understand how many charities work. This little thing called 'overhead' or 'administrative costs'... yeah... I'll just let Bella take this one if she wants.

You're telling us not to be cynical and yet your own cynicism over charitable giving sounds like the usual lazy excuse for not wasting money on such causes.

A great many charities have total transparency in their accounts these days which indicate exactly how much if any of their funding goes on administration costs. The most successful effort in the UK, Comic Relief, has raised over £100M in recent years without a single penny going on anything other than the aid itself.

Your argument is at best self-deceiving and at worst wilfully naive.

And I can't believe that an incident in which $550 was apparently stolen is now up for comparison against the entire global apparatus of charitable giving. smh.

[GroobyKrissy]

I wish everyone well.. i'm quite nice like that :)

How did this not make sense to you:

I simply asked why she has to beg strangers for the rent money when she has so many sources of income... seems fairly reasonable to me :/

COMPLETELY REASONABLE QUESTION.

That is fine and I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with people making light of what could have turned out to be a very bad situation, mocking the OP, and offering their negative input into a thread which should have just been a 'that sucks but be well' type thread.

[robertlouis]

..........! :smoking

My thoughts exactly, old bean. :geek:

[BellaBellucci]

Grim... if you love Bella that much, get a room. Seriously.

Bella is adult enough and also witty enough to know that this is tongue-in-cheek humor. She gives. She receives. Much like a whore. I sincerely doubt she needs you, and your All-Important Self to stick up for her but she probably appreciates the respect.

LMFAO! Love this! :lol:

Otherwise, I actually quite appreciate his support.


I'm pretty secure in my intelligence and don't really need to show it off and put other people down at every chance I get to stroke my own ego.

You really think that's why I do what I do? I do what I do because bitches be trifling and it makes us all look bad! :lol:

~BB~

[winston93]

im pretty sure only one person mocked, a few doubted but most were just unimpressed by the begging.

[GroobyKrissy]

You're telling us not to be cynical and yet your own cynicism over charitable giving sounds like the usual lazy excuse for not wasting money on such causes.

A great many charities have total transparency in their accounts these days which indicate exactly how much if any of their funding goes on administration costs. The most successful effort in the UK, Comic Relief, has raised over £100M in recent years without a single penny going on anything other than the aid itself.

Your argument is at best self-deceiving and at worst wilfully naive.

And I can't believe that an incident in which $550 was apparently stolen is now up for comparison against the entire global apparatus of charitable giving. smh.

OK.. I will state this ONE MORE TIME.

I have not (someone please point this out to me) COMPARED Jamie's issue with ANY CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION. See, there are these things called 'Threads' and then there are 'Discussions' that go on in these 'Threads'. Sometimes the 'Discussions' take 'Tangents' into other 'Discussions' that have nothing to do with the original 'Thread'. This was the case when I was talking with @Winston93. It was a 'Discussion' on a 'Topic' that just struck me as needing an 'Answer'. I like 'Quotes'.

You have no idea how much money I donate so you're speaking out of turn on this one. Those who have dealt with me personally, probably don't have any problems believing that I support a very wide variety of charities with a substantial portion of the proceeds from my site. I have no problems donating to worthy causes, either time, energy, or resources. But it is NOT cynical to ask and know where exactly your money is going, and making sure that 0.90 of your dollar is not going to cover 'administrative costs'.

And since I know this is coming. I do not think it cynical to ask questions about this subject as in, 'Hey, if I send you money, how do I know you're not using it for something else and it really is going to your rent?' That was not what I originally had issue with. I had issue with the jokes and negativity about it. Throughout this thread I have not once spoken on behalf of Jamie and said you should donate to this. Ask your questions, but ask them nicely and don't make fun of something that could have turned out to be completely different and tragic. That is what I have stated throughout. Read what I've written, as long and boring as it is, and you'll see that is the case.

[GroobyKrissy]

You really think that's why I do what I do? I do what I do because bitches be trifling and it makes us all look bad! ~BB~

That was RE: @GrimFusion not you, who I love, adore, and aspire to become.

[GrimFusion]

Grim... if you love Bella that much, get a room. Seriously.

Bella is adult enough and also witty enough to know that this is tongue-in-cheek humor. She gives. She receives. Much like a whore. I sincerely doubt she needs you, and your All-Important Self to stick up for her but she probably appreciates the respect.

Thanks for keeping score too. I'm really not here to 'win' arguments, and if you have looked at my posting history, you'll see that I rarely get involved in actual discussions of this nature. Just every once in a while when one strikes me and I have the free time. Unlike yourself, I'm pretty secure in my intelligence and don't really need to show it off and put other people down at every chance I get to stroke my own ego.

You've got that completely twisted. In fact, I thought Bella was defending me at first, but it's a little more obvious that we both happen to share the same opinion. An opinion I posed long before Bella fleshed it out a few pages later. I can't help that you picked her to bicker with instead of me, but in challenging her opinion you're (unknowingly) challenging mine. I'm otherwise quite aware that Bella can defend herself in a conversation and I usually make a point out of ducking out so she can hand her own messes.

Don't pull the "I'm so above this" card because you wouldn't have been involved at all if that were true. I couldn't care less about your post history because each and every time I've noticed you involved in an argument, you always resort to the same tactics when you lose ground. Defame, distract, defend, and distort. When other people stoop to using the same tactics, you're suddenly so above arguing that it's all behind you and everybody else is immature for carrying on like prattling children.

Lame.

If it's all the same though, I'd rather not keep arguing.
Can we kiss and make up or something?
I don't think I've had a single conversation with you around HA that didn't degenerate into a mess of accusations. I'm not that hard to get along with. We've just never had a chance to be civil with one-another.

[GroobyKrissy]

im pretty sure only one person mocked, a few doubted but most were just unimpressed by the begging.

Hmm... like I said, I'm too lazy to check. But count them up. Pretty sure there was more than just one.

[GroobyKrissy]

You've got that completely twisted. In fact, I thought Bella was defending me at first, but it's a little more obvious that we both happen to share the same opinion. An opinion I posed long before Bella fleshed it out a few pages later. I can't help that you picked her to bicker with instead of me, but in challenging her opinion you're (unknowingly) challenging mine. I'm otherwise quite aware that Bella can defend herself in a conversation and I usually make a point out of ducking out so she can hand her own messes.

Don't pull the "I'm so above this" card because you wouldn't have been involved at all if that were true. I couldn't care less about your post history because each and every time I've noticed you involved in an argument, you always resort to the same tactics when you lose ground. Defame, distract, defend, and distort. When other people resort to the same tactics, you're suddenly so above arguing that it's all behind you and everybody else is immature for carrying on like prattling children.

Lame.

OMG. You're so vain. You think every thing is about you. You couldn't even let Christian have his own post about his site without interjecting your superior design elements into it. And of course your Photoshop prowess trumps everyone else. Grade-A Douche. How's that for defamation?

Please, give me the quotes now. Where have I SERIOUSLY 'defamed' anyone (and look up that definition first please)?

I specifically only answer one person at a time usually for the very purpose of not mixing up the debate threads. So, the distraction only comes if you can't follow the logic.

Defend... What in the world... were you just going for alliteration here?

Distort... again, give me the quotes where I have distorted someone's words? Actually, I would say most of the 'distortion' has come from people against me, who are clearly too lazy to read the entire thread and instead hang a response on one post without getting the overall context.

Without the third and some poetic license on the first, I would pretty much say you just described your debate tactics pretty accurately.

Yeah... about that kiss and make-up... Fine. Another thread to bygones.

[Devilboy]

Incorrect... I am far too lazy to do so but the majority of the posts here are not condolences or given as an afterthought after a backhand... as yours was. Someone count them up at this post and prove me wrong.

OMG... you people cannot read... or at least, cannot comprehend what you're reading! I have NOT, in any way, said this was ON PAR with victims of natural disasters, or anything as serious. Please QUOTE it for me if I have. That is an entirely different contextual debate.

Regarding Jamie and the OP, I have simply stated, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything and move on.

I can read. You linked these "victims" begging for rent with natural disaster victims receiving donations. Read your own posts, and learn to type what you want to express if they are inaccurate.

[BellaBellucci]

Devolution. There's a D-word for you that describes this thread. WTF?!

~BB~

[robertlouis]

Devolution. There's a D-word for you that describes this thread. WTF?!

~BB~

Deterioration comes closer to it. IMHO.

[BellaBellucci]

Deterioration comes closer to it. IMHO.

Destruction.

(Is this a game now?! :lol:)

~BB~

[robertlouis]

Destruction.

(Is this a game now?! :lol:)

~BB~

Dunno. :dancing:

[GroobyKrissy]

I can read. You linked these "victims" begging for rent with natural disaster victims receiving donations. Read you own posts, and learn to type what you want to express if they are inaccurate.

Well, I am far too stoopid to find it. So please quote it to me because you're making that up. Called to the carpet and waiting for your response.

Comparisons generally have the term 'like' in them. I don't think I ever said or implied that Jamie's issue is like disaster victims receiving donations because that WOULD be crazy. As I've already stated NUMEROUS times now, those references were made in a tangent discussion with a different person. But then again, I don't know how to type so I could be wrong.

Please quote.

Expected response: Umm... find it for yourself. I'm not going to do your work for you.

My response: Umm... you made the point so you support your own argument.

Expected response: You're stupid.

My response: OK.

Expected response: Yeah.

My response: Yeah.

Expected response: Yeah.

My response: I'm going to play Borderlands 2 now.

[GroobyKrissy]

Well i dont donate to dodgy charities like that and anyway you were talking about foriegn aid money going to corrupt governments. the charity i normally support is Oxfam a well established and respected charity here in england. You are ignoring every good argument krissy and just trying to be a smart ass.

OK, missed this one.

So, by "good argument", I'm assuming you're referring to anyone who supports your point of view. Great! Way to have open discussion. NOWHERE did I mention foreign aid or use that term at all. Please find that for me? Thanks. So, no, not what I was talking about. How's that for ignoring a point?

Anyway, you're right on Oxfam. A great organization. Here in the USA, it gets an overall 60.31 (70) score on Charity Navigator, which is great. Looks pretty financially stable and has very high marks in accountability and transparency. Program expenses amounted to about 76% of revenue which is very high with Administrative Expenses coming to beneath 10% so looks like a good one to support. So kudos on that, and I really mean that.

[Nikka]

who else was called a Retarded so far in this thread?

[GrimFusion]

OMG. You're so vain. You think every thing is about you. You couldn't even let Christian have his own post about his site without interjecting your superior design elements into it. And of course your Photoshop prowess trumps everyone else. Grade-A Douche. How's that for defamation?
Oh, screw you. I never said my design was better or even necessary. I am pretty vain, though. I mean, so vain I have to selfishly spend a half an hour in photoshop designing a site logo for somebody I barely know; understanding that it likely won't be put to use. So vain that in the post I didn't offer any kind of constructive criticism, suggest he use my design, or speak to my "superior design elements". I don't do that shit because I feel it's necessary; I do it because I don't have any other projects going and I'm bored. Damn me for even saying his site design wasn't bad, right? I am an awful, awful person.

Do you really have an issue with me lending my photoshop talent to people around here for free, or is this your pissy little way of preferring Jamie's artwork to mine? After the conversation her and I had in a PM a few weeks ago, I'm honestly wondering; not just trying to fault you yet again. The difference between Jaime and I is that she charges. I don't. I know SHE has a problem with that, but you shouldn't.


Please, give me the quotes now. Where have I SERIOUSLY 'defamed' anyone (and look up that definition first please)?
Defend... What in the world... were you just going for alliteration here?
Honestly, probably. You've ruffled my jimmies. I'm not going back through months of your old posts just to cite specific examples, so if you want to strike defamation and defense from the list of accusations, chill.


Distort... again, give me the quotes where I have distorted someone's words? Actually, I would say most of the 'distortion' has come from people against me, who are clearly too lazy to read the entire thread and instead hang a response on one post without getting the overall context.

OMG. You're so vain. You think every thing is about you. You couldn't even let Christian have his own post about his site without interjecting your superior design elements into it. And of course your Photoshop prowess trumps everyone else. Grade-A Douche. How's that for defamation?
Obvious distortion is distorted.

[GrimFusion]

who else was called a Retarded so far in this thread?

I don't think anybody else was called a retard.
I mean, Krissy has been insinuating mental handicap for some time now, but that's not quite the same.

"I'd rather give up my finger than my money" isn't the smartest quote ever.
I know people who would pay $550 for you to keep your finger and do some unimaginably naughty things with it... and the rest of your fist and forearm.

I'm not one of those people.

[robertlouis]

who else was called a Retarded so far in this thread?

Christ Nikka, don't drop the R-bomb in here. There's enough going on already.

[Odelay]

Tiff, Eva, Jamie, sorry to hear about the robbery. It sucks, I know.

I do want to say something a little off topic, though, and that is it is a real turn on to find t-girls who are great writers, with obvious intellect and insight like GroobyKrissy and Trish. They use logic to back up their arguments. They use grammar that is far better than anything I have. They're well read.

Intellect is sexy as hell.

[bubbski]

What did I miss? I don't have time to read 14 pages of stuff...Can someone summarize what's going on in a paragraph?

Thanks,
Cliff's

[BellaBellucci]

Tiff, Eva, Jamie, sorry to hear about the robbery. It sucks, I know.

I do want to say something a little off topic, though, and that is it is a real turn on to find t-girls who are great writers, with obvious intellect and insight like GroobyKrissy and Trish. They use logic to back up their arguments. They use grammar that is far better than anything I have. They're well read.

Intellect is sexy as hell.

No offense to Krissy, but Trish is a physicist. She's probably the smartest person on this board. Just saying.

~BB~

[underdog6]

What did I miss? I don't have time to read 14 pages of stuff...Can someone summarize what's going on in a paragraph?

Thanks,
Cliff's

Someone got robbed by thier trick and now they are begging for money.

[jamiethewild]

I'm sorry but this is as low and pathetic as it gets...on here begging for ANY help that you can get to help make rent? WOW

this

wow seems like all the porn star's here in the US are being robbed, now all of sudden.

[tsdvdman]

@ grooby...it has become increasingly clear that you share a mentality for begging and have probably solicited "handouts" from strangers.
You an relate to their quest!!

[BellaBellucci]

this

wow seems like all the porn star's here in the US are being robbed, now all of sudden.

They need to start adding 'escort does not carry more than $20' to their advertisements.

~BB~

[GroobyKrissy]

Oh, screw you. I never said my design was better or even necessary. I am pretty vain, though. I mean, so vain I have to selfishly spend a half an hour in photoshop designing a site logo for somebody I barely know; understanding that it likely won't be put to use. So vain that in the post I didn't offer any kind of constructive criticism, suggest he use my design, or speak to my "superior design elements". I don't do that shit because I feel it's necessary; I do it because I don't have any other projects going and I'm bored. Damn me for even saying his site design wasn't bad, right? I am an awful, awful person.

Do you really have an issue with me lending my photoshop talent to people around here for free, or is this your pissy little way of preferring Jamie's artwork to mine? After the conversation her and I had in a PM a few weeks ago, I'm honestly wondering; not just trying to fault you yet again. The difference between Jaime and I is that she charges. I don't. I know SHE has a problem with that, but you shouldn't.


Honestly, probably. You've ruffled my jimmies. I'm not going back through months of your old posts just to cite specific examples, so if you want to strike defamation and defense from the list of accusations, chill.



Obvious distortion is distorted.

Awww... and here I thought we were making up. Just took my Doggy for a walk and here is some more pooh!

Pretty much what I expected as a response. So, of your four 'D' words, I can drop two (lack of evidence), and the other two, all you can come up with is my most recent post... which is hardly a distortion. Nice.

I have NO problem with you giving out away Photoshop work, and if you would just ask before you spout off... I haven't hired Jamie to do any work for me recently at all because of some comments she made on another forum that I really didn't want to tie my brand to. It was a business decision. So get some facts before you start making up untrue allegations. I will stand by my comment though that she does excellent work.

Nor do I have a problem with you interjecting yourself into threads... it is what a place like this is for. Still, c'mon... douchebag move to basically say someone's design elements are 'OK', but of course, you can make them better. It wasn't that type of thread and you shouldn't have done it... just my opinion. Whether you do your history or not, I have. Many of your threads come across as arrogant. Do you really want me to start quoting because we'll be here a while.

That's your personality and that's fine. I already know from previous experience that debating with you is a brick wall. You have your mind made up and you're arrogant enough to be close-minded about other points of view. I didn't engage you personally on that account alone. Debate is a two way street. As you can see from this thread, and my past ones, if someone brings out a point that is valid, I have NO PROBLEM admitting the point conceded. Can't really say the same for you...?

Yes, I interject some humorous 'barbs' every now and then. But they are humor. One gets the underlined point that you truly mean it when you go off ranting about someone personally, which you've done to me twice now, with a half-hearted apology both times and a call for truce just when I call you on the carpet and ask for specific examples of your allegations.

Anyway. Now I'm really off to play Borderlands 2 !!! I mean it!

[TempestTS]

What did I miss? I don't have time to read 14 pages of stuff...Can someone summarize what's going on in a paragraph?

Thanks,
Cliff's

I can do better than that

The whole situation is FUBAR on every possible level.

[TS Evelyn Summers]

The average pan handler makes $110,000/yr...Tax FREE!! prolly as do most escorts!!!!



Again....I'm in the wrong business!

[Jericho]

What did I miss? I don't have time to read 14 pages of stuff...Can someone summarize what's going on in a paragraph?
Thanks,
Cliff's

Give me your money, bitches. Bitches, gimmie some money. Eh, hold on a minute. Goddamn you compassionless bastards! Get ready to ruuuuuuuumble! Damp squib...Is that it?

Pretty much! :shrug

[GroobyKrissy]

No offense to Krissy, but Trish is a physicist. She's probably the smartest person on this board. Just saying.

~BB~

No offense taken and I really could care less about the actual intelligence of people. I've met some of the smartest people in the world who have the street smarts (common sense) of a cracker... and I mean an actual cracker. And, I've met some really, really dumb people who have risen to be CEO's of awesome and productive companies. So, you just can never tell and I try not to judge.

It is just really REALLY irritating when people attack you for something you never said or implied out of sheer laziness or failure to read the context.

[GrimFusion]

Krissy, I never really got the chance to air my opinion in all of this. The conversation was already pacing faster than I could reply so I didn't have much of a chance to get into it, and you probably assumed I completely agree with Bella. I don't.

I don't care if Jaime wants donations. I wouldn't complain if she were to post a new donation thread on HA once a day or more. I was a little worried that her motivations behind this donation post weren't honest, but once Tiffany corroborated the story I was satisfied.

I don't understand why she shouldn't ask for a donation after being robbed. People act like it should be her responsibility to essentially double-pay the rent because that's what "responsible people" do. I don't know her finances, but I'm not about to assume she's sitting on a huge pile of cash while she's asking for boob job donations and promoting the crap out of her new site content.

I don't have any problem with Jaime asking for donations or promoting new site content but lately, that's all she's been doing around HA; and she's not the first girl shunned around here because she has no appetite for conversation. That's just what happens when most of the site visitors think anybody is being too needy and not contributing anything back to the forum. If not in offense to the idea of asking for money after a personal emergency, it's likely that she's simply been asking too much lately.

[Merkurie]

The average pan handler makes $110,000/yr...Tax FREE!! prolly as do most escorts!!!!



Again....I'm in the wrong business!
$300 a day every day....
:roll:

[GrimFusion]

Give me your money, bitches. Bitches, gimmie some money. Eh, hold on a minute. Goddamn you compassionless bastards! Get ready to ruuuuuuuumble! Damp squib...Is that it?

Pretty much! :shrug

Spot-on, sir. Spot-on.

[BellaBellucci]

i've met some of the smartest people in the world who have the street smarts (common sense) of a cracker... and i mean an actual cracker.

Lmfao!!!

~BB~

[robertlouis]

Lmfao!!!

~BB~

Like, LITERALLY!

[BellaBellucci]

Like, LITERALLY!

I guess she sees dead people then. :lol:

~BB~

[robertlouis]

I guess she sees dead people then. :lol:

~BB~

Nah, dead Graham Crackers prob'ly.

[Nikka]

The average pan handler makes $110,000/yr...Tax FREE!! prolly as do most escorts!!!!



Again....I'm in the wrong business!

In argentina they sock on the streets for 5$ dollars, they pleaces are CRAP...

your business is good

[Devilboy]

No offense taken and I really could care less about the actual intelligence of people. I've met some of the smartest people in the world who have the street smarts (common sense) of a cracker... and I mean an actual cracker. And, I've met some really, really dumb people who have risen to be CEO's of awesome and productive companies. So, you just caneverer tell and I try not to judge.

It is just really REALLY irritating when people attack you for something you never said or implied out of sheer laziness or failure to read the context.

Didn't you say you were too lazy to read through stuff...you can't even remember what you posted so you want people to quote it for you...you said pages ago "graceful exit".... But you're still here making no sense whatsoever with regards to the original post.

[jamiethewild]

sounds like team work to me, this story is getting pretty old. Now the last thing we need is someone (pornstar ) to pretend their seriously in pain in near-to-death situation for ppl to donate. Give a break.

Ms.French has every right ask for donation support but people are always going to have opinions , and some are going to suspect about it. She knew the case of Sabrina's thread and how much ppl talk about it, so it doesn't surprise me.

[GroobyKrissy]

@ grooby...it has become increasingly clear that you share a mentality for begging and have probably solicited "handouts" from strangers.
You an relate to their quest!!

I'm not sure if you're actually directing this to me or to the company, Grooby Productions. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and so glazing over this. Well, no, I won't... because I'm pretty sure you're directing it at me.

So, let me state UNEQUIVOCALLY... I have NEVER, EVER asked for a handout of ANY KIND. It was not my upbringing to do so, and while I think that there is room enough for some compassion for those less fortunate, I basically believe in a work-hard-to-succeed mentality.

My first job was working along immigrants at 13 in the lettuce fields of the Salinas Valley laying irrigation pipe (insert jokes here). Anyone who has done that job will tell you it is exhausting and difficult work. Throughout High School, I traveled the world during the summers and have the Passport stamps to prove it. I've seen the good and bad of India, China, Guatemala, Costa Rica and numerous other places. Traveled Europe. Was homeless in San Francisco (partly why I love the city). Worked my ass off legitimately to get off the streets. Never been on any sort of government program. Never asked anyone for a favor I didn't earn. Worked my way through college. Am virtually debt free (small car loan). Built a successful solo site from scratch in a niche that usually doesn't favor success for someone like myself, and do not ask free favors of anyone (ask around). I work hard, play hard, and love the life that I currently lead.

So if you're speaking about me, you have absolutely NO idea what you're saying and I deserve an apology.

[BellaBellucci]

sounds like team work to me, this story is getting pretty old. Now the last thing we need is someone (pornstar ) to pretend their seriously in pain in near-to-death situation for ppl to donate. Give a break.

Ms.French has every right ask for donation support but people are always going have opinions , and some are going to suspect about it. She knew the case of Sabrina's thread and how much ppl talk about it, so it doesn't surprise me.

I have cancer.
















My mom. She's a cancer. Now gimme money. :dancing:

~BB~

[GroobyKrissy]

Didn't you say you were too lazy to read through stuff...you can't even remember what you posted so you want people to quote it for you...you said pages ago "graceful exit".... But you're still here making no sense whatsoever with regards to the original post.

And... drum roll.... point proven.

[EDIT]I'm more than willing to let this thread die but people keep on inserting my name. I think it is pretty poor form to leave things unanswered so I answer when I see something addressed to me. If you don't want a reply, then don't post a response. This has always been the way I operate on Forums... if you take the time to write, I'll take the time to respond. Fair enough?[EDIT]

[robertlouis]

In argentina they sock on the streets for 5$ dollars, they pleaces are CRAP...

your business is good

I'm assuming you meant to say suck, Nikka. Condoms are usually safer than socks anyway. :jerkoff

[bubbski]

Give me your money, bitches. Bitches, gimmie some money. Eh, hold on a minute. Goddamn you compassionless bastards! Get ready to ruuuuuuuumble! Damp squib...Is that it?

Pretty much! :shrug

Thanks folks, at the rate of $300 per day, you just saved me about $150 by helping me not read this thread!

Cheque is in the mail, unless you have a donation website I can use.

[GrimFusion]

Pretty much what I expected as a response. So, of your four 'D' words, I can drop two (lack of evidence), and the other two, all you can come up with is my most recent post... which is hardly a distortion. Nice.

I have NO problem with you giving out away Photoshop work, and if you would just ask before you spout off... I haven't hired Jamie to do any work for me recently at all because of some comments she made on another forum that I really didn't want to tie my brand to. It was a business decision. So get some facts before you start making up untrue allegations. I will stand by my comment though that she does excellent work.

Nor do I have a problem with you interjecting yourself into threads... it is what a place like this is for. Still, c'mon... douchebag move to basically say someone's design elements are 'OK', but of course, you can make them better. It wasn't that type of thread and you shouldn't have done it... just my opinion. Whether you do your history or not, I have. Many of your threads come across as arrogant. Do you really want me to start quoting because we'll be here a while.

That's your personality and that's fine. I already know from previous experience that debating with you is a brick wall. You have your mind made up and you're arrogant enough to be close-minded about other points of view. I didn't engage you personally on that account alone. Debate is a two way street. As you can see from this thread, and my past ones, if someone brings out a point that is valid, I have NO PROBLEM admitting the point conceded. Can't really say the same for you...?
I can see were never going to get along. You're making far too many assumptions about me than you should be; and vice-versa admittedly. I could go on debating excerpts of your replies until tomorrow and neither of us would be any closer at arriving at an agreement in any regard. I'm willing to admit I have you figured incorrectly, but this debate has been reduced to little more than character assumption. There's no coherent debate any longer and we're still trying to get over on one-another.

A couple of posts ago, I suggested we just give up and at least save face between threads so we don't butt heads in every discussion that comes up, but now that I know you generally have me figured as a douche bag, that's not going to be possible. Instead, I'm just going to ignore your posts; not to say you don't have anything valuable to add to a conversation, but if pattern provides any evidence, you and I are like oil and water.

[GroobyKrissy]

I can see were never going to get along. You're making far too many assumptions about me than you should be; and vice-versa admittedly. I could go on debating excerpts of your replies until tomorrow and neither of us would be any closer at arriving at an agreement in any regard. I'm willing to admit I have you figured incorrectly, but this debate has been reduced to little more than character assumption. There's no coherent debate any longer and we're still trying to get over on one-another.

A couple of posts ago, I suggested we just give up and at least save face between threads so we don't butt heads in every discussion that comes up, but now that I know you generally have me figured as a douche bag, that's not going to be possible. Instead, I'm just going to ignore your posts; not to say you don't have anything valuable to add to a conversation, but if pattern provides any evidence, you and I are like oil and water.

But I use oil and water to make a killer vinaigrette and I spend hours staring at lava lamps. Oh well, C'est la vie.

[tsdvdman]

I'm not sure if you're actually directing this to me or to the company, Grooby Productions. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and so glazing over this. Well, no, I won't... because I'm pretty sure you're directing it at me.

So, let me state UNEQUIVOCALLY... I have NEVER, EVER asked for a handout of ANY KIND. It was not my upbringing to do so, and while I think that there is room enough for some compassion for those less fortunate, I basically believe in a work-hard-to-succeed mentality.

My first job was working along immigrants at 13 in the lettuce fields of the Salinas Valley laying irrigation pipe (insert jokes here). Anyone who has done that job will tell you it is exhausting and difficult work. Throughout High School, I traveled the world during the summers and have the Passport stamps to prove it. I've seen the good and bad of India, China, Guatemala, Costa Rica and numerous other places. Traveled Europe. Was homeless in San Francisco (partly why I love the city). Worked my ass off legitimately to get off the streets. Never been on any sort of government program. Never asked anyone for a favor I didn't earn. Worked my way through college. Am virtually debt free (small car loan). Built a successful solo site from scratch in a niche that usually doesn't favor success for someone like myself, and do not ask free favors of anyone (ask around). I work hard, play hard, and love the life that I currently lead.

So if you're speaking about me, you have absolutely NO idea what you're saying and I deserve an apology.
That all sounds good..and believable...kinda like Jamie's brag that the other brother had to point out to you.
I have no reason to doubt you..however..something in their begging has triggered a spark of familiarity within you. It's obvious.
No one in their right mind (unless you're from another country and brought into the MYTh of "The Land Of The Free") is going to go to the extreme of defending not one..but THREE people with their hands out asking for donations..UNLESS they subscribe to that pathetic mentality themselves.

[GroobyKrissy]

Krissy, I never really got the chance to air my opinion in all of this. The conversation was already pacing faster than I could reply so I didn't have much of a chance to get into it, and you probably assumed I completely agree with Bella. I don't.

I don't care if Jaime wants donations. I wouldn't complain if she were to post a new donation thread on HA once a day or more. I was a little worried that her motivations behind this donation post weren't honest, but once Tiffany corroborated the story I was satisfied.

I don't understand why she shouldn't ask for a donation after being robbed. People act like it should be her responsibility to essentially double-pay the rent because that's what "responsible people" do. I don't know her finances, but I'm not about to assume she's sitting on a huge pile of cash while she's asking for boob job donations and promoting the crap out of her new site content.

I don't have any problem with Jaime asking for donations or promoting new site content but lately, that's all she's been doing around HA; and she's not the first girl shunned around here because she has no appetite for conversation. That's just what happens when most of the site visitors think anybody is being too needy and not contributing anything back to the forum. If not in offense to the idea of asking for money after a personal emergency, it's likely that she's simply been asking too much lately.

So somehow I missed this entire page.

OK, well, that is understandable but not really what is being said in most of the posts. This is very reasonable and perhaps you've seem more of this asking for money than I have since I have limited time (doesn't seem like it tonight) to browse and read stuff.

If this was the entire premise, I agree. I would hate for this forum to turn into a list of girls asking for cash.

What I am saying is that this whole, 'Oh, this is made up' and 'Oh, this is funny' stuff is uncool. We ALL have periods in life when a little help is necessary and we shouldn't have to be mocked when it is asked for. Essentially, 'Oh sorry that happened, but here, let me kick you in the teeth since you're down anyway.'

What I'm asking for is a little civility and to stop the stupid (and yes, it is stupid) speculation. Somehow we have gone from 'held up at gunpoint' to ...'now it is assuredly FACT that it was a trick of Tiffany Starr and geez, these girls only pay $550.00 in rent so what's the big deal...' That is mostly speculation without any shred of evidence to back it up.

So, again, I will state this. Would it somehow make this all different if Tiffany was laying dead on the floor and Jamie was asking for donations to help bury her? Because it pretty much seems like, 'Well, no one got hurt so I'm just going to make a mockery of this.' Which I think is a remarkably callous way to live.

If you go a whole lifetime without needing the assistance of others, count yourself among the very, very fortunate and pass that on to others.

See, I can be reasonable... as can you.

[GroobyKrissy]

That all sounds good..and believable...kinda like Jamie's brag that the other brother had to point out to you.
I have no reason to doubt you..however..something in their begging has triggered a spark of familiarity within you. It's obvious.
No one in their right mind (unless you're from another country and brought into the MYTh of "The Land Of The Free") is going to go to the extreme of defending not one..but THREE people with their hands out asking for donations..UNLESS they subscribe to that pathetic mentality themselves.

OK, so now we're getting to the root of your issue. So, here is the problem.

You have so little faith in humanity that you can't even believe that someone actually cares a little bit.

I choose the discussions that I get into carefully as my post history will show. You'll also see that I have a history of sticking up for people. I would be saying the exact same things here if it were say... Bella or Grim asking for a hand and these things were being said about them. I don't really care who it is, it just happens in this case, that I do know Jamie because she has done some work for me.

So, ask yourself this. Clearly, I've made more enemies than I've made friends by posting in this thread, so WHAT DO I HAVE TO GAIN from it? If, as you say, I am a money-grubbing, handout loving person, wouldn't I just chime in with everyone else in the hopes that one of those people would strike up a friendly conversation and become a Member of my site?

I get it. You think that all people are crappy and that all 'us girls' hate all the guys and think they're all chasers and etc. I reject the premise. I have very good conversations with Members of my site who choose to write me and I try to answer EVERY guy who emails me a response. I don't consider all guys 'chasers' and have had very good relationships with men who I have truly cared about.

Have there been bad, of course. But like I stated earlier, I reject the premise that all girls in porn must be beggars, liars, and cheats; just like I reject the premise that all guys are simply chasers and only in it for sex.

Anyway, I'll dig my old passport out and post a picture here of my stamps. If I'm not lying about the places that I've been, it is unlikely that I've lied about anything else...would you agree?

Seriously though, to make such an incredible statement without even knowing a thing about me... pretty poor taste.

[christianxxx]

this thread delivers #solidgold

[robertlouis]

Wow, three flame wars on the same thread. Is this a record?

[robertlouis]

this thread delivers #solidgold

It delivers something, Christian, but I wouldn't call it gold.....lol

[GrimFusion]

@Doctor_Screw: If you're trying to lead Jaime to rattle off as many racist slurs as she can in hopes of getting her banned, you're doing a pretty good job. Please stop, though. You're not exactly an angel in all of this; I'd suspect the forum mods notice that reaction doesn't take place without action. That might mean bad things for you, dude.

[robertlouis]

@Doctor_Screw: If you're trying to lead Jaime to rattle off as many racist slurs as she can in hopes of getting her banned, you're doing a pretty good job. Please stop, though. You're not exactly an angel in all of this; I'd suspect the forum mods notice that reaction doesn't take place without action. That might mean bad things for you, dude.

Thanks for that intervention, Grim. You're a good guy.

[GrimFusion]

Ok.....ok.....lol

I just...really..... hate...... assholes,lol

I see what you mean,though.I'll stop my fun

Thank you muchly, man.
Muchly isn't even a word.

Respect.

[BellaBellucci]

If you go a whole lifetime without needing the assistance of others, count yourself among the very, very fortunate and pass that on to others.

Nobody is saying they can do that. We're just saying that there are proper ways of asking, appropriate people to ask, and acceptable circumstances under which to ask. Nobody got hurt and these are people who have money saved up and earmarked for other purposes who have admitted that they could easily divert funds to cover their losses. I mean, gee... is waiting an extra month for a boob job really THAT bad?! Seriously.

Again, I'm glad nobody got hurt, but they really need to woman up and deal with it and stop asking for unnecessary charity.

~BB~

[GrimFusion]

Thanks for that intervention, Grim. You're a good guy.

Nope. I'ma douche bag. lol.
Thanks for the kind words though, Rob.
YOU'RE a good guy. :Bowdown:

[EvaCassini]

Police report will be in our hands in a couple days, it WILL be posted.

Contrary to popular belief, we don't make glamour, movie star money even though we work our arses off on a daily basis...modeling, photographing, recording video, editing, eating right, traveling long distances, and looking our best...
so when we ASK for help...we literally mean, we really would appreciate assistance to continue giving you what you want from us, without struggle...so that you can enjoy the product we happily and proudly provide for you.
Thank you.

[BellaBellucci]

Police report will be in our hands in a couple days, it WILL be posted.

Contrary to popular belief, we don't make glamour, movie star money even though we work our arses off on a daily basis...modeling, photographing, recording video, editing, eating right, traveling long distances, and looking our best...
so when we ASK for help...we literally mean, we really would appreciate assistance to continue giving you what you want from us, without struggle...so that you can enjoy the product we happily and proudly provide for you.
Thank you.

So you guys never considered using surgery money for rent? Really?!

The bullshit alarm is simply deafening today.

~BB~

[fred41]

Nobody is saying they can do that. We're just saying that there are proper ways of asking, appropriate people to ask, and acceptable circumstances under which to ask. Nobody got hurt and these are people who have money saved up and earmarked for other purposes who have admitted that they could easily divert funds to cover their losses. I mean, gee... is waiting an extra month for a boob job really THAT bad?! Seriously.

Again, I'm glad nobody got hurt, but they really need to woman up and deal with it and stop asking for unnecessary charity.

~BB~

This.

Hey it's like someone once mentioned on another thread - it's fine to use the old route of going up to a hundred women and brashly asking if they wanna fuck and hope the odds will grant you one or two that say yes.
...but if you go that route,you have to be willing to put up with a few Fuck Off's.

[jamiethewild]

Again, I'm glad nobody got hurt, but they really need to woman up and deal with it and stop asking for unnecessary charity.

~BB~


I think this advice is good for many TS in general.

[BellaBellucci]

Ain't Too Proud To Beg - Temptations - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxHMHrWJ2SE)

TLC - Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlOsU8_Rzsk)

~BB~

[doctor screw]

Ain't Too Proud To Beg - Temptations - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxHMHrWJ2SE)

TLC - Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlOsU8_Rzsk)

~BB~

Oooooo shit...lol

[BellaBellucci]

Oooooo shit...lol

You know you love it. ;)

~BB~

[GroobyKrissy]

Nobody is saying they can do that. We're just saying that there are proper ways of asking, appropriate people to ask, and acceptable circumstances under which to ask. Nobody got hurt and these are people who have money saved up and earmarked for other purposes who have admitted that they could easily divert funds to cover their losses. I mean, gee... is waiting an extra month for a boob job really THAT bad?! Seriously.

Again, I'm glad nobody got hurt, but they really need to woman up and deal with it and stop asking for unnecessary charity.

~BB~

...and surprise... I agree with a couple of caveats.

The fact that "...nobody got hurt..." is a bit callous, don't you think? It is fortunate that nobody did get hurt here, but besides the point. The fact is (as we know right now) that someone used a violent act to steal from someone else. That, in and of itself, is deserving of a certain level of gravitas IMO. I can almost hear the outpouring of oohs... and awwws... and outpouring of how-terribles... if someone was shot and dead. But hey, no one did so let's make a big joke of the matter...? That just doesn't seem right to me.

Take one of these threads that comes along every once in a while about a Brazilian girl getting beaten or mugged or shot and killed. Look at the responses there. Are you telling me that people can relate more to a Brazilian girl who they've probably never seen except in pictures or movies, than one of the girls who actually posts here (however infrequently)?

Second:
So, if I could put out a premise. HA is probably made up mostly of Fans of the genre (that being TS related porn), with a good portion being also the Transwomen you referred to earlier and the rest being trolls, bots, and other industry professionals.

So the question is this, Why would this NOT be considered an "appropriate" and "acceptable" place for someone (Tiffany, Eva, and Jamie) who surely has Fans on this forum to ask for said help? The very definition of Fan implies a desire to please and help the object of your fandom...? And why would you not give the opportunity for one of those Fans to help if he/she so desires? Would I do it? No. Do I care or react vehemently if someone else does? No. I don't think there is ONE person here, who would needlessly spend $550.00 on something if there was a chance someone else would give the money to you...?

Now granted, there are going to be questions asked and some who will not understand, and mockery, etc. etc. and the OP should be prepared for that... but that doesn't make it right... which is my point.

Ugg... Krissy, this is just porn. Get over yourself. Yeah, I get that. I just think maybe, possibly, there is room in porn for people to have just a shred of soul and decency... for both Fans and performers.

[BellaBellucci]

...and surprise... I agree with a couple of caveats.

The fact that "...nobody got hurt..." is a bit callous, don't you think? It is fortunate that nobody did get hurt here, but besides the point. The fact is (as we know right now) that someone used a violent act to steal from someone else. That, in and of itself, is deserving of a certain level of gravitas IMO. I can almost hear the outpouring of oohs... and awwws... and outpouring of how-terribles... if someone was shot and dead. But hey, no one did so let's make a big joke of the matter...? That just doesn't seem right to me.

Take one of these threads that comes along every once in a while about a Brazilian girl getting beaten or mugged or shot and killed. Look at the responses there. Are you telling me that people can relate more to a Brazilian girl who they've probably never seen except in pictures or movies, than one of the girls who actually posts here (however infrequently)?

Second:
So, if I could put out a premise. HA is probably made up mostly of Fans of the genre (that being TS related porn), with a good portion being also the Transwomen you referred to earlier and the rest being trolls, bots, and other industry professionals.

So the question is this, Why would this NOT be considered an "appropriate" and "acceptable" place for someone (Tiffany, Eva, and Jamie) who surely has Fans on this forum to ask for said help? The very definition of Fan implies a desire to please and help the object of your fandom...? And why would you not give the opportunity for one of those Fans to help if he/she so desires? Would I do it? No. Do I care or react vehemently if someone else does? No. I don't think there is ONE person here, who would needlessly spend $550.00 on something if there was a chance someone else would give the money to you...?

Now granted, there are going to be questions asked and some who will not understand, and mockery, etc. etc. and the OP should be prepared for that... but that doesn't make it right... which is my point.

Ugg... Krissy, this is just porn. Get over yourself. Yeah, I get that. I just think maybe, possibly, there is room in porn for people to have just a shred of soul and decency... for both Fans and performers.

I understand your perspective. In fact, I think most of us do. We just don't agree with it. Sorry hon. People disagree with me all the time too, so I remind myself that they're morons and move on with my day. That said, we're a bunch of morons. Enjoy your game. :lol:

~BB~

[giovanni_hotel]

this thread delivers #solidgold

Yeah it's a category 5 shit storm, but it feels so good.:salad

It never gets old how a random thread can take on a life of its own.
Pure soap opera.

[loveboof]

Evon was on tonight. Shame she didn't pop into this thread... I always love her fights! lol

[robertlouis]

Evon was on tonight. Shame she didn't pop into this thread... I always love her fights! lol

Wow, we could have had FOUR simultaneous shitstorms on one thread!!!

Life doesn't get any better than that.

Speaking of which, I need to get one.

A life, that is.

[GrimFusion]

Wow, we could have had FOUR simultaneous shitstorms on one thread!!!

Life doesn't get any better than that.

Speaking of which, I need to get one.

A life, that is.

Here; have mine.
:dead:

[GroobySteven]

Here's a better idea,advance them some $$$ on future work,better & more dignified than relying kindness of strangers.

That was already done before I posted. Are these strangers on this board - or a community? I've met in RL around 50 of you or had off board interaction?
Any other brainy ideas?

[danthepoetman]

Wow, we could have had FOUR simultaneous shitstorms on one thread!!!

Life doesn't get any better than that.

Speaking of which, I need to get one.

A life, that is.
You just reminded me that I'm all out of pop corn...

[EvaCassini]

We barely have any money you jackass. Bella, your opinions arent wanted. You are a completely oblivious person in our lives. If you dont know how we are struggling then you must be well off, cuz we aint well off. Police report will be posted for everyone to see ....Bella how can you be so cruel, you rotten stoned out bitch.


So you guys never considered using surgery money for rent? Really?!

The bullshit alarm is simply deafening today.

~BB~

[EvaCassini]

Steven, you are a saint in this. Im so glad of you! Thank you.

[BellaBellucci]

We barely have any money you jackass. Bella, your opinions arent wanted. You are a completely oblivious person in our lives. If you dont know how we are struggling then you must be well off, cuz we aint well off. Police report will be posted for everyone to see ....Bella how can you be so cruel, you rotten stoned out bitch.

That's not what Jamie said, you jackass. Eva, your neediness isn't wanted. You are a completely useless person in my life. If you don't know how I am struggling, then you must be self-centered, 'cuz I ain't well off. I don't care about your police report. Eva, how can you be so narcissistic, you two-faced, selfish bitch?

~BB~

[TS Evelyn Summers]

Cant we all just get along ????

[Jamie French]

Hey all... I just got back from the hospital and haven't had time to see what's been going on on this thread since I originally posted it. I don't care to read through every page. It's obviously become a shit storm somehow. It wasn't meant to illicit any real replies at all, just a link to a donation page. I'm talking to Steven right now about removing the thread. Thanks.

(Eva: Just block Bella like I have. I never see any of the things she posts. Trolls hate to be ignored.)

[BellaBellucci]

I'm talking to Steven right now about removing the thread.

Why? Because your plan here massively backfired like the rest of your other dozen 'pay me' posts, and now people are sick of your shit? :loser:


PLEASE help with my breast surgery. NEW Rewards System Installed!
http://www.gofundme.com/fogy8

The troll here is you, but for the record: you didn't block me as long as your roomies haven't. I'm sure you'll still read everything I say, including this. :lol:

~BB~

[SammiValentine]

who else was called a Retarded so far in this thread?


timmeh ?

[SammiValentine]

The average pan handler makes $110,000/yr...Tax FREE!! prolly as do most escorts!!!!



Again....I'm in the wrong business!


Would you like a pan for christmas then ? :)

[TS Evelyn Summers]

Would you like a pan for christmas then ? :)

I wanna go on a date with you...thats what I want ;)


xoxo

[BellaBellucci]

I wanna go on a date with you...thats what I want ;)


xoxo

Aww! That's adorable! <3

~BB~

[SammiValentine]

I wanna go on a date with you...thats what I want ;)


xoxo

hehe xx that sounds a lot more fun than panning !!! xx

[Genetic]

so when we ASK for help...we literally mean, we really would appreciate assistance to continue giving you what you want from us, without struggle...so that you can enjoy the product we happily and proudly provide for you.
Thank you.
The product you charge us for? You provide a service, we pay for it and then you want donations so you can carry on producing something we pay for? I'm sorry but that doesn't make much sense to me.

That's kinda like JK Rowling writing all the Harry Potter books and then asking for fans to donate so she can write the last book...and then sell it when it comes out. I'm not having a go here, but your statement just isn't a logical one.

I don't know you or Tiffany, but of the three of you, it seems Jamie was the one who would have gotten the least favourable reaction. You've got to understand that when someone asks for financial help, they aren't going to get it when they've previously posted about making more money than anyone else out of Grooby.

A good example is Jamie saying she'd raised enough money for the boob job. So we know she has a few thousand dollars sitting round, but now she wants us to give her $500 so she doesn't have to spend that money? If a homeless guy came to you in the street and said, "Can you spare me a dollar cause I don't want to break into this hundred dollar bill I've got", would you hand over the money? Of course not.

As I said before, the problem is that pornstars (in general, not just ts) like to make out that they have this amazing standard of living, which is obviously a smokescreen rather than admitting that porn is neither glamourous or fortune making. What happens then is that people believe that hype and then don't see why they should help out.

[BellaBellucci]

*sing* This is the thread that never ends... oh it goes on and on, my friend!

http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/e8e6f829_circular_argumentmid.jpg

~BB~

[timxxx]

As I said before, the problem is that pornstars (in general, not just ts) like to make out that they have this amazing standard of living,

QFT, :lol:

Like Gangsta Rappers glorify their 'Thug Life' lifestyle but not wanting their fans to illegal downloading their music.

And Besides seanchai(if l understand him right) has already advanced them the cash.So why the begging thread :confused:

[Cecil Rhodes]

timmeh ?

Timmy is not Retarded .

[Tiffany Starr]

It is a shame that we were robbed. They didn't take much and even ditched my cellphone at the gate. They wanted to make sure i wouldn't call the cops. I struggled for the gun but in the end I couldn't resist without risking a hole through my head. I don't take kindly to guns being pointed at me

[Merkurie]

Glad to hear you are all OK.

[danthepoetman]

It is a shame that we were robbed. They didn't take much and even ditched my cellphone at the gate. They wanted to make sure i wouldn't call the cops. I struggled for the gun but in the end I couldn't resist without risking a hole through my head. I don't take kindly to guns being pointed at me
One thing is sure: you ladies are spotted. I don’t want to sound alarming, but when something like this happens once, it will probably happen again. You need to get the hell out of there or either take much more precautions, and make sure your door can hold on…
Get safe, ladies! That’s by far the most important.

[youngblood61]

You all are lucky no one was killed.

[jamiethewild]

You guys would of look so much better if only the story was said, asking for donations and the amount was pretty pathetic.

[BellaBellucci]

You guys would of look so much better if only the story was said, asking for donations and the amount was pretty pathetic.

This.

~BB~

[Merkurie]

This.

~BB~

Just what fucking difference is it to you?

I've tried to stay out of this train wreck of a thread, but honestly. Is having someone ask for help so damn offensive that it requires post after post after post questioning their motives? If you don't care or don't believe them or whatever, fine.

Does it take however many god damn pages to get that across?

[jamiethewild]

Just what fucking difference is it to you?

I've tried to stay out of this train wreck of a thread, but honestly. Is having someone ask for help so damn offensive that it requires post after post after post questioning their motives? If you don't care or don't believe them or whatever, fine.

Does it take however many god damn pages to get that across?

You seriously need to fucking check yourself, its a freaking forum wake the fuck up you can't live up on one single mind and expect us to accept this behaviour, she has every right to ask for donation but ppl here are hinting them how stupid, low and pathetic these gurls looked, asking for the amount loss. Give me a freaking break.

People always talk about celebrities, so do your co-workers about you probably, yet not everyone agrees with every shit.

[GrimFusion]

Just what fucking difference is it to you?

I've tried to stay out of this train wreck of a thread, but honestly. Is having someone ask for help so damn offensive that it requires post after post after post questioning their motives? If you don't care or don't believe them or whatever, fine.

Does it take however many god damn pages to get that across?

I agree... kinda.
You obviously haven't been trying to stay out of this "train wreck of a thread" if you're now posting in it. That doesn't even make sense.

I agree that Bella's practically driven her point into the ground. I think that was the purpose, though. It could use a break, however; it's not as though this thread is going to be restored to it's former glory (hole). Either it'll get topic hijacked or drop off the topic listings so what difference does it make? Too much of an eyesore for would-be lurkers? YOU JUST CAN'T HANDLE ALL THE SCREAMING, CAN YOU!?!?! lol.

[danthepoetman]

Personally, I love it: I got myself some more popcorn and I'm ready for tonight.

[loveboof]

We need one of those ring-side bells from Jerry Springer - then watch the rednecks charge at each other...

*ding ding*

[Quiet Reflections]

Did i read in a previous post that one of them always has a gun with her?

[GrimFusion]

Did i read in a previous post that one of them always has a gun with her?

Yursh, yeu durd.
Erts Erfermurturve.
Thurt ers currurt.

Sorry; got a joint in my mouth.
Yes, you did. You did read that.

[Quiet Reflections]

Yursh, yeu durd.
Erts Erfermurturve.
Thurt ers currurt.
I imagine pulling it out would have escalated the situation but I have to wonder what happened to her gun or was this the one time she just forgot it, seems like that would have been an easy case of self defense.

[Quiet Reflections]

ANCHORMAN Brick Killed A Guy - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7tgX_Uaqs)

[GrimFusion]

I imagine pulling it out would have escalated the situation but I have to wonder what happened to her gun or was this the one time she just forgot it, seems like that would have been an easy case of self defense.

Sounds like there were several robbers. One gun against two doesn't sound like good odds with two unarmed friends in the room.

[Quiet Reflections]

Sounds like there were several robbers. One gun against two doesn't sound like good odds with two unarmed friends in the room.
ok. i thought it was just one guy. Either way 1 on 1 gun play still inst good

[Genetic]

Did i read in a previous post that one of them always has a gun with her?
Yes, but I don't think that's really an issue here. Most people will carry a gun when outside, they won't physically have it on them when at home because being robbed at home isn't something you'd expect.

And as you later said, it would have made things far far worse anyway.

[up_for_it]

Random ass porn image to break up the monotony of this thread. Cause if you're strapped- it all depends on the size of the gat.

[Tyler___Durden]

Am I speculating here by posting her own words:
Does that sound like a person who can't scrape $500 together? Why is she begging strangers for cash when she has got so much going on?!
Stop exaggerating. It doesn't help the situation. :whistle:
It's $550 between three people.
= $183.33 each (£113.59 each @ 1 US dollar = 0.6196 British pounds sterling)
That's the equilivant of just one half hour session.ONE HALF HOUR! That's just a quicky.

This gives me an idea...
Any of you punters wanna get laid in a quicky half hour session,
and at the same time be doing a good deed when doing the good deed,
so to speak,
by helping out one of the three lovely ladies who got robbed?

That would be a win-win situation, all round.



Tyler. (not their pimp http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/rolleyes.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php))

[Nikka]

Stop exaggerating. It doesn't help the situation. :whistle:
It's $550 between three people.
= $183.33 each (£113.59 each @ 1 US dollar = 0.6196 British pounds sterling)
That's the equilivant of just one half hour session.ONE HALF HOUR! )

in South America is 20pounds 1 hour :(

[Genetic]

in South America is 20pounds 1 hour :(
Holy shit! I think I need a holiday.

[Cecil Rhodes]

Yes, but I don't think that's really an issue here. Most people will carry a gun when outside, they won't physically have it on them when at home because being robbed at home isn't something you'd expect.

And as you later said, it would have made things far far worse anyway.

That is why i have a German Shepherd aswell as firearms .

[MdR Dave]

in South America is 20pounds 1 hour :(

I'm 180 pounds Nikka- can you go for 9 hours?

[loveboof]

Stop exaggerating. It doesn't help the situation. :whistle:
It's $550 between three people.
= $183.33 each
That's the equilivant of just one half hour session.ONE HALF HOUR! That's just a quicky.

This gives me an idea...
Any of you punters wanna get laid in a quicky half hour session,
and at the same time be doing a good deed when doing the good deed,
so to speak,
by helping out one of the three lovely ladies who got robbed?

That would be a win-win situation, all round.


lol. Yeah sorry - gotta stop my exaggerating!

As for the quickie, well Jamie isn't my type. Eva, I probably would - put not want to pay for it. And Tiffany has too many guns around for me to feel comfortable! :P

[robertlouis]

lol. Yeah sorry - gotta stop my exaggerating!

As for the quickie, well Jamie isn't my type. Eva, I probably would - put not want to pay for it. And Tiffany has too many guns around for me to feel comfortable! :P

And don't forget to factor in the cost of your airfare. :geek:

[EvonRose]

Ladies what do you do with your finances?

Have savings, and live of 25 percent of your income.

That is my advice to not go broke, and have rent paid even if you are robbed...

[Chaos]

This is my first post but I have a few things to say.....
1) I'm glad that the 3 of you are ok, it could have been much worse.
I've been robbed at gunpoint, I feel for you.
2)Bella,do not think you're any less beautiful than someone else, I think you're gorgeous.....Everyone is beautiful in their own way,and everyone is different.
3)Krissy.....I envy you....I don't have Borderlands 2 yet.....
4) Yes....I am avoiding (or trying to) the conflict (I read the whole thread)

5) I would help if I could,were it that I could afford to...
Being disabled,that isn't an option....Hell, I can't even afford a girlfriend anymore... :loser: (Pathetic, I know) I'd donate but then MY rent would be forfeit...

I don't know any of you .....yet. So no making waves yet either.... Maybe after I'm here a while....maybe

[GrimFusion]

This is my first post but I have a few things to say.....
1) I'm glad that the 3 of you are ok, it could have been much worse.
I've been robbed at gunpoint, I feel for you.
2)Bella,do not think you're any less beautiful than someone else, I think you're gorgeous.....Everyone is beautiful in their own way,and everyone is different.
3)Krissy.....I envy you....I don't have Borderlands 2 yet.....
4) Yes....I am avoiding (or trying to) the conflict (I read the whole thread)

5) I would help if I could,were it that I could afford to...
Being disabled,that isn't an option....Hell, I can't even afford a girlfriend anymore... :loser: (Pathetic, I know) I'd donate but then MY rent would be forfeit...

I don't know any of you .....yet. So no making waves yet either.... Maybe after I'm here a while....maybe

Wuss. Your screen name is Chaos. You SHOULD be making waves. lol.

[Chaos]

I will. Just didn't want my first post to make enemies out of everyone...
And Chaos isn't about just making waves....Chaos can calm a stormy sea just as easily. Random,unpredictable,hard to understand.....Chaos is many things!
I honestly just didn't want to be on either side of the fence,when it's obviously a very interesting fence......if a bit explosive to be sitting on...

[robertlouis]

I will. Just didn't want my first post to make enemies out of everyone...
And Chaos isn't about just making waves....Chaos can calm a stormy sea just as easily. Random,unpredictable,hard to understand.....Chaos is many things!
I honestly just didn't want to be on either side of the fence,when it's obviously a very interesting fence......if a bit explosive to be sitting on...


Is your surname Theory? :wiggle:

[Chaos]

It could be.... I study Chaos as a hobby....I do love the randomness of it all...
It also fits me to be Chaos....since it has been my nickname since I was 10.
Certain parts of my disability make me act random....Not going to go into detail,not that entertaining,and would only look like a pity party in progress.
As much as I like parties,that's one I hope I never go to...

[GrimFusion]

It could be.... I study Chaos as a hobby....I do love the randomness of it all...
It also fits me to be Chaos....since it has been my nickname since I was 10.
Certain parts of my disability make me act random....Not going to go into detail,not that entertaining,and would only look like a pity party in progress.
As much as I like parties,that's one I hope I never go to...

Eh... I'm 30 and I already have rather severe early-onset symptoms of parkinson's so I kinda feel ya. I twitch out quite a bit.

Shake, shake, shake.
Shake, shake, shake.
Shake yo' bootay.
Shake yo' BOOTAY.

Hopefully that didn't come across horribly insensitively.

[Chaos]

I'm 40. Severe chronic depression, Manic/Depressive,Anxiety,PTSD,and still a kid at heart...... Makes for some impressive stories,sure,but not all of them good ones....Plus all of my so called friends have decided to ignore me...so I spend most of my time isolated...
I don't twitch as much as I just don't stop talking...if I haven't had a conversation in a while...

I'm pretty much an incarnation of Chaos....I'm everywhere and nowhere at the same time...

[doctor screw]

I'm 40. Severe chronic depression, Manic/Depressive,Anxiety,PTSD,and still a kid at heart...... Makes for some impressive stories,sure,but not all of them good ones....Plus all of my so called friends have decided to ignore me...so I spend most of my time isolated...
I don't twitch as much as I just don't stop talking...if I haven't had a conversation in a while...

I'm pretty much an incarnation of Chaos....I'm everywhere and nowhere at the same time...

Logged in,just to give you a cyber hug...
Have you tried gaming online,to build up some social skills,or perhaps taking a class.

If you have a social worker,ask them about support groups

That hug,was completely non-sexual

[GrimFusion]

You're right. That's SO BORING! lol.
I kid. My girlfriend has PTSD and anxiety. I'm the one with the depression, but it's not bad. I'll agree that it's ridiculously hard to keep people around as friends. Half the time I feel like I'm only considered or included as placation so they can pat themselves on the back for doing a good deed. Ugh.

Anyway, welcome to HA. Hope ya stick around a while 'cause you seem pretty chill so far.

[GrimFusion]

Logged in,just to give you a cyber hug...
Have you tried gaming online,to build up some social skills,or perhaps taking a class.

If you have a social worker,ask them about support groups

That hug,was completely non-sexual

I can't speak for Chaos, but this is pretty much the reason why I don't like sharing. Guys like me have heard all the feel-good fix-all's hundreds of times. I know you're trying to be considerate, but chances are if you can think it up, we've thought about it a long time ago and it just doesn't work in the same capacity you think it will. Thanks for trying to be helpful, though.

[Chaos]

Well to be honest my problem is that I am extremely sociable but lack a filter.
Therefore I say things that people don't need to know....
Sometimes I catch myself....most times I make myself just look bad..
After the nightclub I worked at closed down all the friends I had stopped talking to me. I realize that most of them were only friends so I could get them in. (I was a bouncer) But there are a few that I worked with and was friends with beforehand that I no longer see,ever. Money is probably the biggest issue in all of it....Can't go to a bar broke...
The second issue being that I was assaulted a few years ago and I never fully recovered from it. A lot of the physical damage just didn't heal the way they said it would.

[loveboof]

Have savings, and live of 25 percent of your income.


It's asking a lot for most people to live off just 25 percent of their income! But it is definitely good advice to try and save...

[EvonRose]

It's asking a lot for most people to live off just 25 percent of their income! But it is definitely good advice to try and save...

I guess, its quite easy FOR ME.

[Deimos]

this thread is better than waxing the carrot... holy shit... i mean condolences.. being robbed sucks... but man am i amused :)

[loveboof]

I guess, its quite easy FOR ME.

Yeah well you're lucky then Evon :)

I reckon most people will spend more than 25% of their income simply on their rent or mortgage - without even considering the costs of living.

Also, a lot of people will live up to their means whatever they earn. The more you earn, the more you spend...

(surprised at dr screw giving out 'cyber hugs'... lol!)

[Chaos]

25% of my income monthly is 175$. I couldn't live on that...
Hell, it's hard enough scraping by on 700 a month.
My bills are 500 (rent,food) My phone bill is 60,and the last 140 is What I get by on.....which never goes very far when you need to make it last a month.

[GrimFusion]

Yeah well you're lucky then Evon :)

I reckon most people will spend more than 25% of their income simply on their rent or mortgage - without even considering the costs of living.

Also, a lot of people will live up to their means whatever they earn. The more you earn, the more you spend...

(surprised at dr screw giving out 'cyber hugs'... lol!)

Yeah, that's not even feasible for most of us, but I think she was specifically talking to film stars and escorts who have trouble saving up their money.

[GoddessAthena85]

this thread is better than waxing the carrot... holy shit... i mean condolences.. being robbed sucks... but man am i amused :)

I'm glad someone is.

[TS Evelyn Summers]

Rent $1300....Gas $160 every 4 days x 2! (Merc/BMW 25 GAL Tanks each #91 only!).....Phone $35.....Cable $140 (fuckin cox ) Fleet Maint. $$$$$$$$$ Fleet Registration $$$$$$$$$$....Food $$$$$$ NV Energy $$$$$$ Beauty Routine $$$$$$$$$$$$$ Wardrobe $$$$$$$$$ Fucking shoes I never wear $$$$$$$$$$$

Stock Portfolio $$$$$$$ Savings $800 a month....... Etc Etc....


Impossible for some!


$175. ssssssshhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt!

[Chaos]

$175. ssssssshhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt!

Yeah I know.... disability isn't easy...
I still get to work occasionally but nowhere near as often as I'd like...(4 or 5 days in a year MAYBE)
It's hard being a bouncer where nightclubs die so fast....Especially since they'll hire bigger guys before hiring me .....even if I have YEARS of experience over them....

[Chaos]

Yeah I know.... disability isn't easy...
I still get to work occasionally but nowhere near as often as I'd like...(4 or 5 days in a year MAYBE)
It's hard being a bouncer where nightclubs die so fast....Especially since they'll hire bigger guys before hiring me .....even if I have YEARS of experience over them....
Before the club I worked at closed I pulled in 1400$ a month...My disability AND my security gig....It's not a lot,but I was pretty comfortable. I genuinely miss that extra money...But am limited to where I can work with my disability. Sorry for the double post....I missed the edit button...lol

[Tiffany Starr]

Listen I didn't post the this thread or ask for any donations. I also fought the guy with the gun and did my best to protect my own property. We have enough money or at least I do and i'm glad your all so concerned that my brain is still in my head instead of stupid donations. Don't associate me with any kind of money grubbing or deception of fans on here because i work very hard and ask for very little more so than most girls on this board