Is it too early to go Post Op?

[TSPornFan]

I'm not attracted to Post Op transsexuals. I do like a genetic woman's vagina. What! How can I be that crazy? Well hear me out!

Surgeries have advanced over the years. TS women like Sarina Valentina, Kimber James, Jessica Host, and Bailey Jay look amazing. They all had some surgeries and look like genetic women except for that "extra hardware".

I've seen many pictures of post op girls. The majority of them don't have passable vaginas. I am sorry. What they have doesn't look anything like a vagina. Danielle Foxxx is on of the few post op TS women who I think has a vagina. What she has looks like a vagina. There's no mistake about that.

It appears to me that post op surgery doesn't appear to be very advanced to actually give most Ts women an actual vagina.

I know some Ts women are scared to get sex change surgery. Is it because the finishing result will not look like a vagina? Do you think sex change surgery has advanced enough for TS women?

[GroobySteven]

Do you think sex change surgery has advanced enough for TS women?

If they can feel better about themselves, if they feel that this is the right step for them and if it's physically and emotionally healthy for them - then yes.
Whether you think it looks good enough - is irrelevant.

[Jericho]

I am sorry. What they have doesn't look anything like a vagina. Danielle Foxxx Do you think sex change surgery has advanced enough for TS women?

You're answering you're own question there.
Danielle has a good looking gina, but she didn't get it at a bootsale.
The surgery's advanced enough, if you've got the $$$

[MacShreach]

Absolutely. It's not something every girl will want but if she does want it, the chances are she wants it very badly and whether men she has never met like the look of it is pretty low on her priorities.

I think far far far too much is made of this by the men who hang around these forums. Whether it's a P4P, a brief encounter or an LTR, you have sex with a PERSON, not just that person's genitals. It really would be nice if everybody accepted that all it is is a little extra variety in the pool of potentially available sexual partners and just let it go at that.

[Wendy Summers]

If they can feel better about themselves, if they feel that this is the right step for them and if it's physically and emotionally healthy for them - then yes.
Whether you think it looks good enough - is irrelevant.


THIS^

Personally I don't feel like surgery is where I would want it if I was going to drop $15,000 on it. But I don't make a big deal out of that because I know for many others the surgery now is good enough for them - and I don't want to be dismissive of their needs and feelings.

Psychologically, I'm comfortable enough to live with my body as it is. Other's aren't. Personally until the surgery changes drastically, it's not for me.

[MdR Dave]

Do it, Franklin!

[giovanni_hotel]

TROLL THREAD.

(thank God for preops!!)

[Tyler___Durden]

You're answering you're own question there.
Danielle has a good looking gina, but she didn't get it at a bootsale.
The surgery's advanced enough, if you've got the $$$
??? Eh?
SRS surgery is really, really cheap.

Thailand
One of my friends went to Sanguan (http://phuket-plasticsurgery.com/). She paid £7000 (from his site: Full GRS with scrotal skin graft US$ 12,000)
The results are stunning as in seriously totally the real deal.
She had SRS within the last two years. She had a few dates with a gynaecologist a while back. He wasn't aware of her past and she had sex with him a few times. He had no idea she had a neo-vagina, despit going down on her a few times!

Another friend went to Chettawut (http://www.chet-plasticsurgery.com/)
He was slightly cheaper. I've not seen her results though she says it's indistinguishable from a natal vag.

Another friend went to Suporn. (http://www.supornclinic.com/) That was seven years ago. He currently charges about £9000. Her results looked really, really good too. I saw my two fiends vag's a while back on one of those drunken girly show and tell evenings.
She died a year ago. I saw the autopsy report. It noted stuff about her age and breast augmentation and a ton of other things. It also noted the lack of ovaries and stated this was due to a hysterectomy! So I guess her vag was taken to be the real deal by the pathologist.

I hear that Marci Bowers (http://www.marcibowers.com/grs/gender.html) over in the USA has really good results. I think her fees are around $20,000.


My partner broke his ankle in Chicago, 2 years ago. This cost his insurance $26,000!
So yes, I consider SRS costs to be pretty much frak all, relatively speaking.

[Tyler___Durden]

I've seen many pictures of post op girls. The majority of them don't have passable vaginas. I am sorry. What they have doesn't look anything like a vagina.

It appears to me that post op surgery doesn't appear to be very advanced to actually give most Ts women an actual vagina.

I know some Ts women are scared to get sex change surgery. Is it because the finishing result will not look like a vagina? Do you think sex change surgery has advanced enough for TS women?

Depends upon the surgeon.
Some are very good.
A lot of surgeons are dire.
One of my post op friends was looking on this site a while ago,
at a thread on post-op vaginas.
She though most were appalling. In surgical outcomes.
Many appeared to be women from / in the far east.
I'm guessing their SRS's were performed by some of the lesser surgeons out there.

I'd agree about the comment (by Seanchai) about the surgery being for the woman
and for her to feel right about herself.
Yes totally. But it's wrong where botched or sub-standard surgery result.

And the thing is it's mainly hidden.
Women who have had dire SRS surgery results, don't generally talk about it. Least not on a porn forum.
Maybe on a ts-only help forum. But there these details come out bit by bit as you hear the the sad story.

Outcome results are a huge factor in the consideration of a lot of ts women.
And have a huge bearing as to whether they proceed with it at all.

[danthepoetman]

On the other hand, there are many different types of vulvas. I’ve seen (met, actually –close encounter of the third kind) some with huge labia, a few with very strangely swollen but smooth exterior, some with minuscule little lips, some purple, some pink, some round and curvy, some retracted and shy, and even some as big as an organ popping out from in between the legs, like an enormous pulsating peach… For every girl, there’s a different vulva, more distinctive in fact, than the traits of the face (unless I’m totally obsessed). One way or another, it’s an adorable orifice you want to put your thing in.
To me, the real difference in the success of the surgery would more reside in the capacity for a girl to have orgasms, and in the functionality.
But I must admit I’m biased: I love pussy! all pussies! I love girl’s orifices! When the girl is lovely, all the rest seems lovely to me… Am I weird?

[robertlouis]

On the other hand, there are many different types of vulvas. I’ve seen (met, actually –close encounter of the third kind) some with huge labia, a few with very strangely swollen but smooth exterior, some with minuscule little lips, some purple, some pink, some round and curvy, some retracted and shy, and even some as big as an organ popping out from in between the legs, like an enormous pulsating peach… For every girl, there’s a different vulva, more distinctive in fact, than the traits of the face (unless I’m totally obsessed). One way or another, it’s an adorable orifice you want to put your thing in.
To me, the real difference in the success of the surgery would more reside in the capacity for a girl to have orgasms, and in the functionality.
But I must admit I’m biased: I love pussy! all pussies! I love girl’s orifices! When the girl is lovely, all the rest seems lovely to me… Am I weird?

You're not weird in the least, Dan, unless I am too! I agree entirely that the decision to have SRS - surely a more appropriate phrase than "going post-op" - should be the girl's alone. There can be few if any who have had the surgery with the intention of satisfying a market demand of some kind; it's usually the culmination of an intense psychological desire to complete the physical process of becoming the woman they have always felt themselves to be.

I have no sympathy with lamenting cockhounds - it's her body, not yours. The crap that poured out on here when Danielle Foxx had her surgery was quite disgusting as well as puerile and selfish.

And as I like girls, gg or tg, who are as feminine as possible in both looks and personality, it follows that I like girls who have had the surgery.

[cutesteph]

SRS is not cheap if you get it in the United States by one of the best surgerons. I do not have to worry about paying, since my University will be paying for it while I get my Ph.D. =) Btw there are secondary surgeries after SRS if the vaginia does not look natural.

[robertlouis]

SRS is not cheap if you get it in the United States by one of the best surgerons. I do not have to worry about paying, since my University will be paying for it while I get my Ph.D. =) Btw there are secondary surgeries after SRS if the vaginia does not look natural. I believe that ones that are not passable never got that secondary surgery.

Good luck Steph - and welcome to the Forum.

[qwerty94]

:smh :? :|:boring:shrug:roll::ignore:

[robertlouis]

:smh :? :|:boring:shrug:roll::ignore:

Well, it's 8am in the UK. Is that early enough? :whistle:

[MacShreach]

On the other hand, there are many different types of vulvas. I’ve seen (met, actually –close encounter of the third kind) some with huge labia, a few with very strangely swollen but smooth exterior, some with minuscule little lips, some purple, some pink, some round and curvy, some retracted and shy, and even some as big as an organ popping out from in between the legs, like an enormous pulsating peach… For every girl, there’s a different vulva, more distinctive in fact, than the traits of the face (unless I’m totally obsessed). One way or another, it’s an adorable orifice you want to put your thing in.
To me, the real difference in the success of the surgery would more reside in the capacity for a girl to have orgasms, and in the functionality.
But I must admit I’m biased: I love pussy! all pussies! I love girl’s orifices! When the girl is lovely, all the rest seems lovely to me… Am I weird?


I think your whole post is great and agree with it entirely. I think a lot of comment about the looks of a vagina, come from people with limited experience of same, and whose ideas come largely from porn. You have to remember that this has even led to natal women undergoing plastic surgery on their vaginas to make them conform to some 'ideal', which IMO sucks all to hell. Guys, fuds come in all shapes and sizes. Very few natal women, certainly once out of their teens and absolutely if they have had kids, have one of these practically lipless, colourless twats that seem to be the current fashion ideal.

A transsexual's neo-vagina is a work of art, a living sculpture formed from her own flesh. Some may conform better to the porn-inspired 'ideal' than others but that IS NOT THE POINT, for the girl possessing it. For her it is the absolute affirmation of what she already knows to be true, ie, SHE IS A WOMAN. Just the same as it is for natal women. It has deep, powerful psychological importance for the girl and it is not just there for show or for the titillation of men who enjoy porn (of which I am one.)

(This is not to say that all transwomen need to have SRS to feel affirmed as women; some do, some don't.)

Personally, I like a bigger, meatier look with big lips and lots of pigmentation. Just looks hotter to me. But I'm not going to criticise someone, far less not fuck her, just because she happens to have one that looks like a 16-year old virgin's.

I highlighted that last part of your post because it seems to me so true: if the girl is lovely, everything about her becomes lovely too. It's part of the PERSON you are attracted to. Never in my life have I bedded a woman for whom my first, initial attraction was the shape, size and colour of what was between her legs. Porn is great and very enjoyable but it is FANTASY. Let's not forget that.

[Mr. Sinister]

The best sex I ever had was with a post-op transsexual woman. I honestly did not notice a huge difference between a post-op pussy and a real pussy.

[FreddieGomez]

well i love pussy and from the looks of the post-op pussies i've seen, i think i'll pass.

[natina]

POST OP SURGERIES
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=68504&page=2

[destinyslover]

aww this makes me wanna get the full works done x

[Jericho]

She had SRS within the last two years. She had a few dates with a gynaecologist a while back. He wasn't aware of her past and she had sex with him a few times. He had no idea she had a neo-vagina, despit going down on her a few times!


Were the lights out?
Seriously, he's like, either the worst gynecologist on earth, or Super smooooooooooooth! :shrug

[winston93]

imho I dont think going post op is a good idea. an inverted ball bag that doesnt get wet can never compete with a real pussy where as a real cock can. And most liberal minded people will still recognise somebody with a penis can still be female in gender.

[cutesteph]

imho I dont think going post op is a good idea. an inverted ball bag that doesnt get wet can never compete with a real pussy where as a real cock can. And most liberal minded people will still recognise somebody with a penis can still be female in gender.

Post 0ps can get very wet.

[Tyler___Durden]

Were the lights out?
Seriously, he's like, either the worst gynecologist on earth, or Super smooooooooooooth! :shrug
A huge range in surgery results dependant upon the surgeon..

Hers is indistinguishable from a natal female vag.
I've seen it.

[MacShreach]

Post 0ps can get very wet.

:cheers::iagree:

[MacShreach]

If the prostate is left, then its secretions, which are about 90% of what most of us know and love as cum, and also the pre-orgasmic lubrication which peeps here call 'pre-cum stringing', still flow out of the urethra. Just for info.

[MacShreach]

imho I dont think going post op is a good idea. an inverted ball bag that doesnt get wet can never compete with a real pussy where as a real cock can. And most liberal minded people will still recognise somebody with a penis can still be female in gender.

Winston, my old mate, the point, as ever, that is being missed here, is that NO T-woman gives a shit what you or me, or any other subscribers to a porn board think about her having a vagina or not. All the comments like yours just disgust and alienate girls for whom srs is important.

I fully agree that it is not necessary to have a vagina to be a woman, or to be accepted as a woman, but that is ONLY to do with the woman's self image and what she needs for her body to match her sense of gender identity. For many girls srs is essential to that, for many others it's not. BUT it's THEIR decision and not for us to comment negatively on.

[MacShreach]

To put that another way, to quote an old maxim here, if you can't think of something nice to say, don't say anything :)

[beatlephil]

Of the post-op ladies I've been with all I can say is that there wasn't a significant difference between their post-surgical genitalia and that of genetic women that would have mattered other than them using a lot of lubrication. And I've known a lot women who do so likewise. Truthfully if they hadn't told me afterwards I probably wouldn't have known at all. But it all depended on the surgical skills of their surgeons and the results certainly were more than satisfactory.

[archineer]

My ex ex ex ex is post op. cosmetically it's convincing unless you look to closely though it's kind of 'loose and squidgy.' Since she had the surgery she's only orgasmed twice in 24 years.

I did almost sleep with another post op girl, it looked like a crater. She played hard to get so I just rolled over and went to sleep.