UFO War?!

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/17/ufo-war-chinese-and-us-navy-off-san-francisco/

Joint Fleets Fend Off UFO Threat
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by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/ScreenHunter_687-Sep.-17-16.23.jpg
This last week, reports of Chinese naval vessels off the US coast, Northern Californian in particular, have been reported but denied.
Now an Asian intelligence agency reports that a combined fleet operation between the US and China has been going on, a full combat operation against what we are told is a “highly unfriendly extra-terrestrial threat.”
The verifications of the fleet operations have been many, there have been no confirmations from the US side though the ships have been seen by every vessel that makes it offshore. The true nature of both the threat and the extent of the multinational military force used is beyond any imaginable classification level.

Rumors:
Extraterrestrial craft are operating from underwater bases.
Advanced US sub-orbital weapons platforms represented as “tested” have actually been deployed from Vandenburg Air Force Base. These are armed with energy weapons.

UFO tracking has been moved from conventional to nano-technology with microscopic sensors being used to detect behaviors such as dimensional rifts and distortions in time, things only discussed in TV shows like Fringe and X Files. (all Fox oddly enough)

The actual classified memo on very short distribution mentions only the following:

Opposition is extraterrestrial and extremely aggressive and unfriendly
The threat represents a “clear and present danger” and is isolated to the Pacific Basin

China is forced to carry US responsibility because our own naval capability is sitting in the Persian Gulf when America is under a very real threat.
Attempts to seek confirmations or to directly verify these operations will lead to fatal consequences.

Our confirmations limit us to this response which I have chosen to represent in a highly deniable form out of personal interest. Others in the US have better information and sources and have been silenced with warnings only.
As to this being a total “hose job,” I don’t see any advantage in it.
For several months earlier this year, there had been disclosures tied to the UFO issue. One real sighting had been made over South Korea.
After that, the internet had been flooded, yes, Google’s “YouTube” with manufactured phony UFO videos, some of “beyond next generation” quality.

All information given on how UFO video or photos are analyzed is totally false, childishly so, especially that from the UFO “networks.” They are professionally “self discrediting.”

About 6 weeks ago, a “study group” was appointed out of NATO and another one in Asia to look at the pattern of UFO videos. A decision was made to aggressively investigate one or more groups.

Being aggressively investigated on such an issue is not recommended.
I would love to be more entertaining, invent things, speculate or, perhaps, include some fascinating videos.

I either have to give this a 70% or reclassify a reliable official source as purposefully leaking something that makes no sense. My suggestion is that readers follow other stories for verifications or information that would help in some way, add it to the comment section and see if we can get a better grip on what may well be an extremely dangerous situation.

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I have had one implied threat, which is almost laughable as I am a board member of a multinational defense firm larger than most armies. I have also had several contact of a very suspicious nature, had one verified Homeland Security computer attack which the software the DOD supplied me with caught, quite embarrassing also.

Then, yesterday, Press TV in Iran called on my wife’s mobile. It flashed US Government for a second. It seems DHS’s bugging capability crashed.
If they hire us, I am sure we can fix that for them.

[danthepoetman]

Well, I have a bit of a hard time giving too much credit to this one, Aly. Seems like a diversion from the sinking Romney campaign… lol... Reminds me a little of some of these news I use to avidly read in one of my favourite papers, The Weekly World News…
But then again who knows? We’ve seen so many films with such a subject, we might be totally oblivious to the real thing. Yet, I can’t imagine a civilization advanced enough to travel such distances that they defie imagination and maybe even any living possibilities, coming here on earth to attack us. The hunch is, they would do something else with the know how…

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

Absolutely, loved the Weekly Worlds News. One must keep an open mind though to better filter through the mess of disinformation, no?

[betts]

You'll find a post on ATS as well:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread882541/pg1

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

Yea, it's making the rounds. :D Once things hit ATS I tend to throw it in the disinfo pile, unfortunately. You?

[betts]

Once things hit ATS I tend to throw it in the disinfo pile, unfortunately. You?


Same here.

It's an entertaining story but I'm not sold.

[danthepoetman]

One more element of this story that sounds strange is that China doesn’t have much of a fleet. Only one middle size plane carrier in the whole fleet, made out of an old Russian wreck. What can they do? Fight flying crafts on destroyers? Quite a bit unlikely, to me. But yes, Aly, you’re right: let’s stay open minded! Maybe somebody up there have finally realized how crazy we are. Do you remember those little cartoons with the Martians saying something like: “Earthlings, if you don’t stop war we will destroy you” with a monochord, metallic voice?

[JenniferParisHusband]

Wait a minute! Are you guys trying to tell me that the batboy who friended me on facebook might not be real?

[danthepoetman]

Wait a minute! Are you guys trying to tell me that the batboy who friended me on facebook might not be real?
Unfortunately, JPH, I lately had, myself, to get rid of my photos of Heaven… lol

Very strange news. But as I was reflecting on this, something came to my mind: is it possible that a big object from space is coming towards the earth? I guess telescopes would have noticed it. But is it possible that such an operation could allow the amplification in some way, of some kind of telescopic or photographic device? A giant meteor could be a definite threat.

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

Absolutely agree Dan, meteors are always a threat. UFO well, probably not so much. :D I mean, if they were going to harm us in any way, it would have happened by now.

[GrimFusion]

I would tend to think that any form of extraterrestrial life intelligent and capable enough to travel through space and arrive on our planet undetected would at least guarantee that their intentions are assured before starting an unnecessary war they stand the slightest chance of losing.

Unless we're about to become slaves and watch as our planet is plundered for natural resources on a massive scale, this infiltration seems less than likely.

[Faldur]

I'm an alien.. I come in peas

[loveboof]

I come in peas

That's disgusting... mushy peas huh?

[Wendy Summers]

That's disgusting... mushy peas huh?

Clearly you're not a fan of Wet and Messy.

#ilikemushypeas

[loveboof]

Clearly you're not a fan of Wet and Messy.

#ilikemushypeas

lol.. well call me fussy, but I like to keep bodily fluids & my food separate! (obviously not including my own saliva lol.. it would be pretty hard to eat otherwise)

I think I'm definitely a fan of 'Wet'; maybe not 'Messy' though :/

[TempestTS]

Absolutely agree Dan, meteors are always a threat. UFO well, probably not so much. :D I mean, if they were going to harm us in any way, it would have happened by now.

Not true - total destruction of the earth was planned by Alien forces and nearly carried out just a short time ago but however Sarah Palin decided not to run... so we got a stay of execution

[south ov da border]

Not true - total destruction of the earth was planned by Alien forces and nearly carried out just a short time ago but however Sarah Palin decided not to run... so we got a stay of execution


That is funny, because it could be true or a joke and either way it's a ZING.

I've been having dreams about Muslim insurgencies in the states and strange things coming from the skies for years. I feel we're all hybrids of some sort so who or what is running the show who knows...

[danthepoetman]

Not true - total destruction of the earth was planned by Alien forces and nearly carried out just a short time ago but however Sarah Palin decided not to run... so we got a stay of execution
Lmao!
Love this, Tempest! But what if Romney is elected??!!!

[GrimFusion]

Lmao!
Love this, Tempest! But what if Romney is elected??!!!

Alien? Nah... he'll just infect the world with Mormon nanobots that'll force everyone to pay 15% of their wages to the Church which will help fund the campaign against gay marriage... and support magical underwear.

[danthepoetman]

Especially tight or sealed underwear? Underwear with some kind of integrated padlock?
I just hope the nanobots will restrain themselves to the tax constraining task, and won’t enter the magical underwear territory to restrain something else…

[TSPornFan]

This is pretty silly. IF UFOs actually came here then they would had kicked our asses with their advance technology.

[danthepoetman]

I agree with you, Franklin. In fact, any other intelligent beings with a civilisation and such capacities would be so different from us and have such a different outlook on things, that their world and ours would not easily connect if it was possible at all. I really wander why beings, with such capacity as to travel distances imagination cannot even conceive, would come to take anything away from us, because they could then obviously get what they want otherwise, of course. Etc., etc., etc. The possibility of such a visit implies so many such paradoxes that you can’t possibly envision it rationally.

[TempestTS]

Anybody remember what happened to the American Indians when they made contact with the advanced Europeans?

[Jericho]

Anybody remember what happened to the American Indians when they made contact with the advanced Europeans?

Kewl, were going to open a casino?

[TempestTS]

Kewl, were going to open a casino?

Yeah thats the way we get even... we convince the conquers to simply give us all their money by their own free will...

[danthepoetman]

Remember that film in which they were getting drunk by drinking milk? We could serve milk shakes...

[GrimFusion]

Remember that film in which they were getting drunk by drinking milk? We could serve milk shakes...

...or that one where yodeling made their heads explode? lol. Jewel might just make a comeback.

[Chuck]

I have been researching and studying UFO activity beginning in WW2. Aviators from both sides encountered highly advanced aircraft that each assumed was a new weapon of the enemy. I am still surprised that they have been able to maintain this secret for so long. Their use of disinformation and misinformation has been so effective that even the most credible sighting is automatically laughed at and debunked.

[danthepoetman]

This is the news story lovely Aly Sinclair was posting originally on this thread, two weeks ago. I fell back on it today. It inspired me a chain of thoughts. Here is some extracts:
“This last week, reports of Chinese naval vessels off the US coast, Northern Californian in particular, have been reported but denied.
Now an Asian intelligence agency reports that a combined fleet operation between the US and China has been going on, a full combat operation against what we are told is a “highly unfriendly extra-terrestrial threat.”
The verifications of the fleet operations have been many, there have been no confirmations from the US side though the ships have been seen by every vessel that makes it offshore. The true nature of both the threat and the extent of the multinational military force used is beyond any imaginable classification level.

Rumors:
Extraterrestrial craft are operating from underwater bases.
Advanced US sub-orbital weapons platforms represented as “tested” have actually been deployed from Vandenburg Air Force Base. These are armed with energy weapons.

UFO tracking has been moved from conventional to nano-technology with microscopic sensors being used to detect behaviors such as dimensional rifts and distortions in time, things only discussed in TV shows like Fringe and X Files. (all Fox oddly enough)

The actual classified memo on very short distribution mentions only the following:

Opposition is extraterrestrial and extremely aggressive and unfriendly
The threat represents a “clear and present danger” and is isolated to the Pacific Basin

China is forced to carry US responsibility because our own naval capability is sitting in the Persian Gulf when America is under a very real threat.
Attempts to seek confirmations or to directly verify these operations will lead to fatal consequences.”

Now that everything is said and done in this matter, now that it is obvious that we’re not attacked by green (ecologists from space) or grey (slightly drunk beings from space) little men, how much do you bet a lot of money will be made on this “story”? From now on, this news will be called a government conspiracy, something covered by the authorities. There will be books written about it and conferences made, some witnesses will come out by the dozen to make some revelations, and it will become some kind of a new Roswell… It will be called “The Pacific California Coast Incident”, or something like that, and you will hear about it over and over and over and over and over… well, you get the picture.

[youngblood61]

anybody remember what happened to the american indians when they made contact with the advanced europeans?yes!:)

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

I thought I would let you see that the member here, Cecil Rhodes, a name taken from the Rhodes Scholar namesake, has threatened me over this post.

Mr. Rhodes might be in violation of some sort. I will research this further. I know threatening others over the internet is not unheard of. But considering the issue, it speaks volumes of our anonymous Mr. Cecil Rhodes here at HA. Either he is a complete loon. Or, he is at minimum someone to be concerned about when speaking to for one not might fully understand his motives.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/8/16/3337645/screencapture.png

[Cecil Rhodes]

I thought I would let you see that the member here, Cecil Rhodes, a name taken from the Rhodes Scholar namesake, has threatened me over this post.

Mr. Rhodes might be in violation of some sort. I will research this further. I know threatening others over the internet is not unheard of. But considering the issue, it speaks volumes of our anonymous Mr. Cecil Rhodes here at HA. Either he is a complete loon. Or, he is at minimum someone to be concerned about when speaking to for one not might fully understand his motives.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/8/16/3337645/screencapture.png

...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vsQ41frO-kI

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

Yea what a creepshow. I'll be leaving this site now.

In case Cecil changes his post. Here's a screenshot of his last.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/8/16/3337645/screen-capture2.png

[Cecil Rhodes]

Yea what a creepshow. I'll be leaving this site now.

In case Cecil changes his post. Here's a screenshot of his last.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/8/16/3337645/screen-capture2.png

fixed it ..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vsQ41frO-kI

[Cecil Rhodes]

I see we have some nutcases here . I make a joke a month ago regarding a post about the weekly world news . I sent it as a pm to the OP who obviously got the joke because she sent me a friend request . That is the last thing i heard about it or i would have otherwise posted the MIB Vid aswell as some Alex Jones vids . I came on today and saw this tread at the top of general discussion and i looked . What did i see, but something from a month ago . I was not sure if it was a joke or not, but i took it as that . I then tried to paste the MIB vid, but for some reason the SV vid was still on my paste icon . I tried to edit it out but all i was able to do is get the link only . I still haven't figured out how to delete a post, but only edit them . This is moot though once another person posts . For that reason there are a couple of the same posts there . This was done by Aly, not me .

I am not the one with the bug up my ass, so i don't know what this is about . So go have a HAPPY MEAL and be happy . It is Saturday Night after all .

[GrimFusion]

Mr. Rhodes might be in violation of some sort. I will research this further. I know threatening others over the internet is not unheard of. But considering the issue, it speaks volumes of our anonymous Mr. Cecil Rhodes here at HA. Either he is a complete loon. Or, he is at minimum someone to be concerned about when speaking to for one not might fully understand his motives.


Cecil Rhodes is a complete loon.
You really shouldn't take much of anything he says seriously.

[Cecil Rhodes]

Cecil Rhodes is a complete loon.
You really shouldn't take much of anything he says seriously.

Well only the things that are obvious a joke at least .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=arUVpcGIIiA

[danthepoetman]

That was a joke, Cecil? Really?
It’s nice that you now explain that it was. But that one was a bit rough, don’t you think?
A lot of people are nuts with this UFO thing. They take that thing to an extreme. You know that, don’t you? This one was bound to be interpreted with apprehension…
Maybe some apologies would be nicer than some more jokes, if I might suggest.

[Prospero]

... though just telling someone to shut up is neither a joke nor very rude.

[Tyler___Durden]

Lets all be friends and have a sing-song.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZFO8pXuRTk

[GrimFusion]

Well only the things that are obvious a joke at least .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=arUVpcGIIiA

Jokes need worthy punchlines, Cecil.
"Shut up about UFOs and Aliens" doesn't infer a punchline.
If you weren't already friendly with Aly, why would you assume she'd find that laughable?

Bad form, sir. Bad form.
You may have unintentionally bumble-fucked the whole thing up, but have you considered apologizing anyway? You didn't exactly think it through in the first place.

[TempestTS]

we should bring in an expert

[rasta]

Ufo is real. No doubt. Humans are babys in the universe

[Cecil Rhodes]

That was a joke, Cecil? Really?
It’s nice that you now explain that it was. But that one was a bit rough, don’t you think?
A lot of people are nuts with this UFO thing. They take that thing to an extreme. You know that, don’t you? This one was bound to be interpreted with apprehension…
Maybe some apologies would be nicer than some more jokes, if I might suggest.

I thought it was the Obama thing that they take to an extreme and are nuts about .

[Cecil Rhodes]

Ufo is real. No doubt. Humans are babys in the universe

Befap or Manadim ?

[Cecil Rhodes]

Is this more a[[ropriate for this discussion ?

Anal Probe! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jDcmDAUdnQ&feature=player_detailpages)

[Cecil Rhodes]

Then again, some people may not get joke humor or can take a joke . Others may take a joke to far .

Roommate Alien Prank Goes Bad - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWqI0U3pBdA&feature=player_detailpage)

[Cecil Rhodes]

Not every species have the best of jobs .

Confessions of a Grey Part 1: Rectal Probing - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQhUqiBCtSY&feature=player_detailpage)

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

Ok Cecil, I believe you. I've analyzed the way you write over these last few posts. The way you carry yourself shows you really couldn't have thought of something better. That's the best of your arsenal. Nice. So, I will take your initial email to me as an attempt at a joke.

Ok, then, allow me to retort. Shut up, Cecil.


See, joke right. Gosh, we're already best of pals.

[Cecil Rhodes]

Ok Cecil, I believe you. I've analyzed the way you write over these last few posts. The way you carry yourself shows you really couldn't have thought of something better. That's the best of your arsenal. Nice. So, I will take your initial email to me as an attempt at a joke.

Ok, then, allow me to retort. Shut up, Cecil.


See, joke right. Gosh, we're already best of pals.

As long as i can post ..... more funnies

[betts]

The way you carry yourself shows you really couldn't have thought of something better.


This

[GrimFusion]

This is the news story lovely Aly Sinclair was posting originally on this thread, two weeks ago. I fell back on it today. It inspired me a chain of thoughts. Here is some extracts:
“This last week, reports of Chinese naval vessels off the US coast, Northern Californian in particular, have been reported but denied.
Now an Asian intelligence agency reports that a combined fleet operation between the US and China has been going on, a full combat operation against what we are told is a “highly unfriendly extra-terrestrial threat.”
The verifications of the fleet operations have been many, there have been no confirmations from the US side though the ships have been seen by every vessel that makes it offshore. The true nature of both the threat and the extent of the multinational military force used is beyond any imaginable classification level.

Rumors:
Extraterrestrial craft are operating from underwater bases.
Advanced US sub-orbital weapons platforms represented as “tested” have actually been deployed from Vandenburg Air Force Base. These are armed with energy weapons.

UFO tracking has been moved from conventional to nano-technology with microscopic sensors being used to detect behaviors such as dimensional rifts and distortions in time, things only discussed in TV shows like Fringe and X Files. (all Fox oddly enough)

The actual classified memo on very short distribution mentions only the following:

Opposition is extraterrestrial and extremely aggressive and unfriendly
The threat represents a “clear and present danger” and is isolated to the Pacific Basin

China is forced to carry US responsibility because our own naval capability is sitting in the Persian Gulf when America is under a very real threat.
Attempts to seek confirmations or to directly verify these operations will lead to fatal consequences.”

Now that everything is said and done in this matter, now that it is obvious that we’re not attacked by green (ecologists from space) or grey (slightly drunk beings from space) little men, how much do you bet a lot of money will be made on this “story”? From now on, this news will be called a government conspiracy, something covered by the authorities. There will be books written about it and conferences made, some witnesses will come out by the dozen to make some revelations, and it will become some kind of a new Roswell… It will be called “The Pacific California Coast Incident”, or something like that, and you will hear about it over and over and over and over and over… well, you get the picture.

Any new updates since two weeks ago?

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

Coast to Coast said they interviewed the author. The author himself said no new news. :D

[GrimFusion]

Sounds kinda sketch, but it's still interesting.
I think I caught a part of that show. I tend to fall asleep while listening to Coast-to-Coast.

[danthepoetman]

You know, you’ll probably think I’m a little weird, but I think I figured that one out in the end. You might know yourself that the different branches of the military have a say and partly finances most Hollywood movies in which we see the military forces in action. You also probably noticed that one of Hollywood’s advertising strategies has been to act as if what was happening in movies was somewhat real; this is why we see so many people get completely cuckoos after some fiction movies, start to act as in these movies, dress like it and often, construct a whole fiction as reality after the very fiction of a movie. Lately, they got a movie out on dvd, “Battleship” I think, which is the story of the Navy fighting a hostile extra-terrestrial force. My hunch is, we’re the victim of some kind of Hollywood publicity stunt –maybe even in collaboration with the Navy public relation services. That’s going to be my theory on this one for now. :)

[Cecil Rhodes]

You Ess Ohh

[Cecil Rhodes]

If you have a USO that is also a UFO, would that make it a Flying Sub ?

[bottomXOslave]

shut up.... SISSYL
Terrance The Gay Alien Ep #1 (Terrance Loses His Job) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq0wMC1U7kE)

[danthepoetman]

A United Service Organization? Oh! an Unidentified Submarine Object?
Maybe in this case, Cecil, it would make a bad restaurant all dressed submarine take out order… :) Something that would fly in your direction and take you down the drain…

[Cecil Rhodes]

A United Service Organization? Oh! an Unidentified Submarine Object?
Maybe in this case, Cecil, it would make a bad restaurant all dressed submarine take out order… :) Something that would fly in your direction and take you down the drain…

You mean like this ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SWyxZR69CI0

[danthepoetman]

Lol! I watched several episodes of that old show, The Love Boat. It was atrocious, but I use to love the cute little Julie character. Friday nights, before going out to play pool for dough and get drunk… At 3:30 in the morning we would go to Dunkin Donuts to fill ourselves with coffee. Somewhat of a Star Trek, I’d say. ;) Cute vid!

[Cecil Rhodes]

Lol! I watched several episodes of that old show, The Love Boat. It was atrocious, but I use to love the cute little Julie character. Friday nights, before going out to play pool for dough and get drunk… At 3:30 in the morning we would go to Dunkin Donuts to fill ourselves with coffee. Somewhat of a Star Trek, I’d say. ;) Cute vid!


Did you say Friday Night ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kAHYftmwY0U

[Cecil Rhodes]

Maybe you left early Friday Night and had to watch the Family Hour programing .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cTs2fbd-0rA

[joeninety]

That is funny, because it could be true or a joke and either way it's a ZING.

I've been having dreams about Muslim insurgencies in the states and strange things coming from the skies for years. I feel we're all hybrids of some sort so who or what is running the show who knows...


Exactly, as we think we run the show on this planet and the other lifeforms beneath us have absolutely no full comprehension of who we are and what we are capable of, then equally it is possible and probable that there is life way beyond our comprehension sitting with us right now on this planet.

[joeninety]

Absolutely agree Dan, meteors are always a threat. UFO well, probably not so much. :D I mean, if they were going to harm us in any way, it would have happened by now.


They may be harming or equally enlightening us in unimaginable ways right now, what they might be doing might be so subtle, think of the lab rat and the experiments we carry out on such creatures for our own further advancements, and think for the most part how that creature is totally unaware and unable to understand what we are doing to it.

As far beyond as we are from the lab rat, they could potentially be 10x that beyond us, to think of the advanced being we should compare what we know about ourselves and our own advancements in comparison to the other lifeforms we know about and share this planet with and observe how far removed that situation is, then think are we at the lower end of a higher beings situation.

[joeninety]

This is pretty silly. IF UFOs actually came here then they would had kicked our asses with their advance technology.


You have been watching to many films:whistle:

[joeninety]

I thought I would let you see that the member here, Cecil Rhodes, a name taken from the Rhodes Scholar namesake, has threatened me over this post.

Mr. Rhodes might be in violation of some sort. I will research this further. I know threatening others over the internet is not unheard of. But considering the issue, it speaks volumes of our anonymous Mr. Cecil Rhodes here at HA. Either he is a complete loon. Or, he is at minimum someone to be concerned about when speaking to for one not might fully understand his motives.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/8/16/3337645/screencapture.png


Agreed, you never know what is what in this wonky universe and that's a given, do 1 Cecil Rhodes:fu:

[joeninety]

You know, you’ll probably think I’m a little weird, but I think I figured that one out in the end. You might know yourself that the different branches of the military have a say and partly finances most Hollywood movies in which we see the military forces in action. You also probably noticed that one of Hollywood’s advertising strategies has been to act as if what was happening in movies was somewhat real; this is why we see so many people get completely cuckoos after some fiction movies, start to act as in these movies, dress like it and often, construct a whole fiction as reality after the very fiction of a movie. Lately, they got a movie out on dvd, “Battleship” I think, which is the story of the Navy fighting a hostile extra-terrestrial force. My hunch is, we’re the victim of some kind of Hollywood publicity stunt –maybe even in collaboration with the Navy public relation services. That’s going to be my theory on this one for now. :)

Tell me you are joking here:D

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

Thanks Cecil! Sure, post away. Be good! : )

[Cecil Rhodes]

Agreed, you never know what is what in this wonky universe and that's a given, do 1 Cecil Rhodes:fu:

Yep, you never know what is out there .:moon :-P

Raquel Welch: Space-Girl Dance - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgqTS3XcAuI&feature=player_detailpage)

[rasta]

The aliens are actually from here just like you. They live underground.

[bottomXOslave]

The aliens are actually from here just like you. They live underground.

LOL:dead::dead::dead:

[Cecil Rhodes]

You know, you’ll probably think I’m a little weird, but I think I figured that one out in the end. You might know yourself that the different branches of the military have a say and partly finances most Hollywood movies in which we see the military forces in action. You also probably noticed that one of Hollywood’s advertising strategies has been to act as if what was happening in movies was somewhat real; this is why we see so many people get completely cuckoos after some fiction movies, start to act as in these movies, dress like it and often, construct a whole fiction as reality after the very fiction of a movie. Lately, they got a movie out on dvd, “Battleship” I think, which is the story of the Navy fighting a hostile extra-terrestrial force. My hunch is, we’re the victim of some kind of Hollywood publicity stunt –maybe even in collaboration with the Navy public relation services. That’s going to be my theory on this one for now. :)


You can't Plausibly try to Deny this ?

[Cecil Rhodes]

LOL:dead::dead::dead:

Of course they do . It helps protect their Secret Identity .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3NEPGplShqc

[danthepoetman]

These theme songs sure takes one way back! And on Star War images! I saw the first one in a movie theatre on acid. All I saw that first time were rays of lights in every direction with a tiny bit of an anecdote… Very funny stuff, Cecil. :)



Tell me you are joking here:D
Joe, you don’t think it’s a strange coincidence that just as they release a film in which the Navy fight an extra-terrestrial forces, probably partly financed by the Navy, a news comes out saying that the Navy is on its way in the Pacific to encounter an extra-terrestrial force no one has heard anything of since then? You think it’s more logical to imagine that it really is an extra-terrestrial attack and that the government is hiding it from us?

They may be harming or equally enlightening us in unimaginable ways right now, what they might be doing might be so subtle, think of the lab rat and the experiments we carry out on such creatures for our own further advancements, and think for the most part how that creature is totally unaware and unable to understand what we are doing to it.

As far beyond as we are from the lab rat, they could potentially be 10x that beyond us, to think of the advanced being we should compare what we know about ourselves and our own advancements in comparison to the other lifeforms we know about and share this planet with and observe how far removed that situation is, then think are we at the lower end of a higher beings situation.
Besides, if you imagine beings that are so advanced as to travel unimaginable distances to get here, do you really think we have to imagine them with the same kind of will and interests as ours? We are the product of one evolution which made us a certain way, territorial, competitive, murderous, filled with an ambition to control our environment without any restraint and any living creature living in it: why would we think that such an advance “race” from elsewhere would share these traits?
I suggest to you respectfully, Joe, and without any malice, that you’re the one who’s watching too many movies. Use your imagination, but in a rational way, basing yourself on biology and evolution, not in Hollywood mode.

[rasta]

The truth is too frightening for some.

[GrimFusion]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6552c0Xyi1qdvrdyo1_500.jpg

[Cecil Rhodes]

Maybe we need to hire a Private Investigator to help us get behind this mystery .

Han Solo, P.I. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYntjR4-pY4&feature=player_detailpage)

[bottomXOslave]

Of course they do . It helps protect their Secret Identity .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3NEPGplShqc

I guess that makes two of us in here :dead:

[Cecil Rhodes]

Got a problem with Aliens ? Are you being stalked ? Does your Ass has a painfully sore, burning feeling when you wake up ? Do you need help ?


Star Wars / A-Team opening - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWR0_0YaEzI&feature=player_detailpage)

[Cecil Rhodes]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6552c0Xyi1qdvrdyo1_500.jpg


OMG ....... It's a Hybrid of Chris Elliot & Rainn Wilson .

[robertlouis]

Well, someone had to say it.....

[danthepoetman]

…out there flying with its little wings… venting up, creating some hurricane by the butterfly (or in this case the truthfly) effect… ;)

[Cecil Rhodes]

…out there flying with its little wings… venting up, creating some hurricane by the butterfly (or in this case the truthfly) effect… ;)


When Rogue Red Chi'twa-nese operative Jawzhu'nglow Pffatz subversive activities come to your Paradise Planet you nedd to be prepared .


Star Wars TV Intro (Hawaii Five-O Version) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxja5dQklBs&feature=player_detailpage)

[GrimFusion]

I take it none of you have had a personal experience, huh?
I had a buddy who had a run-in with a UFO. He even caught it on camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcTPPXwoyKM

[danthepoetman]

lol! Very clever!

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

That was good yea, Grim, nice. I chucked. :D

I guess no one has any odd experiences on the board? That says a lot. I would think that as we, 'the open to more than the average bear crowd' hasn't seen anything, then what does that say?

[Chaos]

I would think that as we, 'the open to more than the average bear crowd' hasn't seen anything, then what does that say?

Well you could say we are a complicated bunch.....For all that advanced tech they do seem to only ever grab people no one will believe or even try to listen to.....and animals...

[danthepoetman]

You're absolutely right, Aly: it's very telling.

I do find that some testimonies are created by some physical phenomenons. Most are pure charlatanism, in my opinion, or people in need of attention -like everybody, but in a sadder way:)... But some phenomenon can come into play, like reactions to electro magnetic fields, for instance, to which we are more and more exposed today. Professor Michael A. Persinger, from Laurentian University in Ontario, Canada, has showed many interresting facts concerning such states that resembles in many ways the testimonies of so called "abductees". Here's a link:
Michael Persinger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Persinger)
One way or the other, since it has evolved through time (remember the monsters from space in the 50s, the tall, blond angelic people from Venus in the 60s?), it is obviously a cultural phenomenon, every bit as much as the witches and the demons of the past were, or the visions of Gods and Nymphs in Ancient times...

[Cecil Rhodes]

I saw a UFO once . It was very large, shaped like a football and was a silver-grey color . It was from the planet GOODYEAR . I tried to shoot it down with one of my rifles, but it's forcefield was far superior to anything i could shoot it with .

[danthepoetman]

Once I’m pretty sure, in the early 80s, I saw one of those “cigar shaped” objects we know today to have been spy planes, U2 or Blackbirds. It was flying at very high altitude and went so fast it almost defied imagination. Then again, I was very high myself and it might have been something else. It happened very fast. The person with me at the time never saw it. I was very impressed, And I understand why so many people thought these “objects” were alien spacecrafts… -they were! alien at least to the common person…

[GrimFusion]

That was good yea, Grim, nice. I chucked. :D

I guess no one has any odd experiences on the board? That says a lot. I would think that as we, 'the open to more than the average bear crowd' hasn't seen anything, then what does that say?

If you have one, why don't you share?
I thought I saw a UFO about five years back, but then I found out that the drones used in the middle east were developed in Oregon. I think the lights in the sky I witnessed were some kind of drone prototype.

As far as I see it, humans are a very distinct species of animal. So distinct that many of us don't consider ourselves animals at all. We're the only species on Earth capable of asking "why?". That likely wouldn't be the case on even fifty percent of the life-supporting planets in the universe. It could very well be that most "live" planets support low-intelligence, no conscience beings incapable of tool use let alone technology. Of course, there could also be a few planets where most of the life is high-intelligence and self-aware, and lots of shitty planets full of nothing but plants and trees. Trees can't ask "why?". That's just ridiculous.

[danthepoetman]

Here's one for the fun department. Chances are, life will be found on Europa, which has a deep ocean (which in fact is a deep ocean) and Calysto, which also has an ocean deep enough to support life. But, hey! there's still Mars...

The race is on to beam Martian DNA back to Earth
By Scott Sutherland | Geekquinox – 18 hours ago
J. Craig Venter, the American biologist who led the first private efforts to sequence the human genome, wants to send what he calls a 'digital biological converter/teleporter' to Mars. He hopes it will find Martian DNA, sequence it and beam the information back to Earth for scientists to recreate the Martian lifeforms in a lab.
"There will be DNA life forms there," Venter said last week at the 2012 Wired Health Conference: Living by Numbers, held in New York. For a video of the talk, click here (he starts talking about his plan at around 10 minutes, 23 seconds).
Venter and two colleagues, Hamilton Smith and Clyde Hutchison, led a team of scientists at the J. Craig Venter Institute to create a synthetic life form back in 2010. They pieced together the genome of the bacterial species Mycoplasma mycoides using DNA fragments, and transplanted the DNA chain into a cell of a similar bacterium — Mycoplams capricolum — that had been stripped of its own genetic material. The resulting bacteria began multiplying and behaving the same as any naturally-occurring Mycoplasma mycoides bacteria.
So, by that example, if Venter gets his Martian DNA sequence, piecing together a Martian DNA chain and creating a synthetic lifeform from it shouldn't be that difficult.
"A lot of people are concerned with sample return and about the Andromeda strain that eats the planet," Venter said in the video, referring to the 1969 Michael Crichton book of the same name.
"Now we can rebuild the Martians in a P4 spacesuit lab instead of having them land in the ocean in a space capsule." he added.
A P4 lab, or Biosafety Level 4 laboratory, is the kind used to study deadly bacteria and viruses that have no vaccines or treatments available. Scientists working in these labs wear 'positive pressure personnel suits', with independent air supplies. If one of these suits were to be punctured or cut, the positive-pressure would ensure that air only flows out of the hole, keeping the scientists from coming into contact with the dangerous agents they work with.
[ More Geekquinox: Earth-based doctor to keep astronauts safe from germs ]
Venter isn't the only one who's interested in this idea.
"We want to make sure an Ion Torrent goes to Mars," said Jonathan Rothberg, founder of the DNA sequencing company Ion Torrent, according to MIT's Technology Review.
The company's Personal Genome Machine is already being adapted for a trip to Mars by a joint Harvard-MIT, NASA-funded project called The Search for Extra-terrestrial Genomes (SET-G). They are trying to get the 30 kilogram machine down to one-tenth that, to fit on NASA's next rover.
This idea to directly sequence Martian DNA and beam it back to Earth has certain advantages over plans for a 'return sample mission.'
"The reason to take a device all the way to Mars and not bring back the sample is because of contamination. No one would believe you," said Tessi Kanavarioti, according to the Technology Review article. Kanavarioti is a chemist who helped study lunar samples in the 1970s, and worked on some of the earlier hypotheses about Martian biology. According to the Technology Review article, a single Earth germ is capable of ruining any sample brought back.
[ More Geekquinox: New technologies to help search for extraterrestrial life ]
NASA already has strong evidence for water on Mars, both in the past and currently trapped in ice at the Martian poles, but its efforts are mostly for finding past-life.
"Many people are reticent to talk about extant life," says Christopher Carr, a research scientist on the MIT team working towards the goal of shrinking the Personal Genome Machine.
Extant life is life that still exists. The hope is that if life does currently exist on Mars, perhaps it can be found a metre or more down in the soil, where it would be protected from the radiation that bathes the Martian surface.
"We are sticking our necks out a little bit," Carr added, "but we want to take that leap."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/geekquinox/race-beam-martian-dna-back-earth-134302326.html

[danthepoetman]

And here are images of that war that probably happened in the Pacific between our glorious Navy and extra-terrestrial forces... "Battleship"!
Movie came out in April, dvd at the very end of August, and might not have sold enough for some outrageous advertising to come out... (the news came out sept 19 and was supposedly about events taking place a week prior).
Battleship - bande-annonce VF - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkej_ULljR8)

[Cecil Rhodes]

Once I’m pretty sure, in the early 80s, I saw one of those “cigar shaped” objects we know today to have been spy planes, U2 or Blackbirds. It was flying at very high altitude and went so fast it almost defied imagination. Then again, I was very high myself and it might have been something else. It happened very fast. The person with me at the time never saw it. I was very impressed, And I understand why so many people thought these “objects” were alien spacecrafts… -they were! alien at least to the common person…

U-2's are not that fast of an aircraft and you definately didn't see an SR-71 unless it was taking off or landing . They are the fastest ( known ) aircraft and they fly so high that at most all you will see is a vapor trail .

[danthepoetman]

U-2's are not that fast of an aircraft and you definately didn't see an SR-71 unless it was taking off or landing . They are the fastest ( known ) aircraft and they fly so high that at most all you will see is a vapor trail .
That's pretty much what I saw, Cecil. It was a cristal clear night. From very far, at very high altitude, I saw something that looked like a shooting star passing in a fraction of a second. Yet I could slightly distinguish the shape of the object, which was not quite cylindrical, but did seemed to have wings at the end of it. What surprised me the most, was that it was a if I could see the air wave around the object as it passed. Never seen anything like that before or after. It was a plane. It passed at just fabulous speed. From the horizon to behind me in less than a second, almost instanteneously -I can't describe it.

[joeninety]

These theme songs sure takes one way back! And on Star War images! I saw the first one in a movie theatre on acid. All I saw that first time were rays of lights in every direction with a tiny bit of an anecdote… Very funny stuff, Cecil. :)



Joe, you don’t think it’s a strange coincidence that just as they release a film in which the Navy fight an extra-terrestrial forces, probably partly financed by the Navy, a news comes out saying that the Navy is on its way in the Pacific to encounter an extra-terrestrial force no one has heard anything of since then? You think it’s more logical to imagine that it really is an extra-terrestrial attack and that the government is hiding it from us?

Besides, if you imagine beings that are so advanced as to travel unimaginable distances to get here, do you really think we have to imagine them with the same kind of will and interests as ours? We are the product of one evolution which made us a certain way, territorial, competitive, murderous, filled with an ambition to control our environment without any restraint and any living creature living in it: why would we think that such an advance “race” from elsewhere would share these traits?
I suggest to you respectfully, Joe, and without any malice, that you’re the one who’s watching too many movies. Use your imagination, but in a rational way, basing yourself on biology and evolution, not in Hollywood mode.


Dan I hear what you say but I know a lot about Hollywood, Goverment affiliations, propaganda and media manipulation. Take for instance the portrayal of the native American through the old Westerns absolutely disgusting, the fact is the settlers could not live off the lands and were dying in their droves until they were showed how to survive, how were the natives repaid, that's right the land was stolen from them they pillaged and plundered then herded into reservations plied with alcohol and guns and left to rot and in their honour is thanks giving:confused:, funny a truthful film has never been made about that sorry saga instead what we got was good guy cowboys bad guy Indians absolute joke.

The aliens living under the sea story is not a new one, I heard about it years ago, so your theory about they made this film and now that story has come out does not hold much weight, more than likely that as your goverments practices are based around subterfuge and manipulation then it is more than likely the film was put out to make people think the way you obviously do as too why who knows, I would never be stupid enough to base my ideas of reality on a known propaganda tool such as hollywood and for the record I do not even own a television, so I fear you are the one who has been sucked into the cesspit not me.

Keeping it real science fiction usually ends up becoming science fact so weird and wacky usually ends up becoming factual e.g could the ancients conceptualize man up in space rather than being the work of some diety, whose to know what an advanced race may or may not want from us? What do we want from lowly lab rats we are way more advanced yet we still experiment on them, obviously some of my previous posts have flown over your head it is kind of like the arrogance of a lot of mankind to believe we are the only sentient advanced beings out there.

Don't take this reply as a dig because that is not my intention, I have read and like a lot of your posts, but I disagree with a lot of what you have said here and that is based on my experiences and a lot of stuff from science, NOT movies.

[youngblood61]

Thought it was interesting that a the beginning of American Horror Story there was an alien abduction. Serious one too,got me right into the show. Great scene.:)

[danthepoetman]

Dan I hear what you say but I know a lot about Hollywood, Goverment affiliations, propaganda and media manipulation. Take for instance the portrayal of the native American through the old Westerns absolutely disgusting, the fact is the settlers could not live off the lands and were dying in their droves until they were showed how to survive, how were the natives repaid, that's right the land was stolen from them they pillaged and plundered then herded into reservations plied with alcohol and guns and left to rot and in their honour is thanks giving:confused:, funny a truthful film has never been made about that sorry saga instead what we got was good guy cowboys bad guy Indians absolute joke.

The aliens living under the sea story is not a new one, I heard about it years ago, so your theory about they made this film and now that story has come out does not hold much weight, more than likely that as your goverments practices are based around subterfuge and manipulation then it is more than likely the film was put out to make people think the way you obviously do as too why who knows, I would never be stupid enough to base my ideas of reality on a known propaganda tool such as hollywood and for the record I do not even own a television, so I fear you are the one who has been sucked into the cesspit not me.

Keeping it real science fiction usually ends up becoming science fact so weird and wacky usually ends up becoming factual e.g could the ancients conceptualize man up in space rather than being the work of some diety, whose to know what an advanced race may or may not want from us? What do we want from lowly lab rats we are way more advanced yet we still experiment on them, obviously some of my previous posts have flown over your head it is kind of like the arrogance of a lot of mankind to believe we are the only sentient advanced beings out there.

Don't take this reply as a dig because that is not my intention, I have read and like a lot of your posts, but I disagree with a lot of what you have said here and that is based on my experiences and a lot of stuff from science, NOT movies.
I respect your opinion on this, Joe, and I respect your view.
But to me, the first problem with such ideas is this: what should we base ourselves on, then? what source of information do we then have, if the main sources are filled with propaganda? Should we then believe more the guy who sells books at 25 dollars each after conferences on the subject? If we were to follow your logic, there would be no way possible by which we could know anything at all about anything whatsoever, because any source could then be manipulated one way or the other. And then, why and how could you, personally, or anyone for that matter, tell what’s right from what’s wrong? We have to base our opinions on the most serious sources we can find; there’s no choice in the matter. Or else anything goes, any opinion is equal to any other.
Secondly, I’ve never been able to get over the simple fact that if the government was hiding so much from us, so many people would have to be involved it never possibly could stay secret! President Clinton couldn’t even have his dick sucked without being denounced publicly!
Third, yes, there most probably is intelligence out there somewhere. But we know nothing of it. And once again, as I was saying, what you apply to it in your assumptions, is that it somewhat has the same kind of interests and attitudes as we have, for instance, traveling unimaginable distances in order to threat us like lab animals! But this is OUR behaviour, a purely human behaviour! If we imagine any intelligence from distant worlds, we have to imagine it totally different from us. That’s an obvious biological fact: evolution could not possibly repeat itself similarly elsewhere; the process involved is too complex and subjected to too many factors. Life and intelligence would have to be radically different.
Let me give you a very simple example: there is fairly intelligent life different from us, yet coming from the same source on this very planet. In fact, we’re talking about mammals. In a 10 minutes segment of a whale song, we know there is between 10 000 and 10 000 000 millions bits of information. In the former case, we’re in front of fairly intelligent animals; in the latter, we’re in front of very, very intelligent animals. Yet, it is obvious that we can’t communicate with whales; we can’t even start to understand what they are “saying” to each others; their reality is just too different. Imagine now the being and the reality of creatures from a distant, completely different world! You can’t apply to them anything you think about humans! It would simply be what we call anthropocentrism. That’s what I meant when I was telling you we have to take a base on biology, not on science-fiction…

[joeninety]

I respect your opinion on this, Joe, and I respect your view.
But to me, the first problem with such ideas is this: what should we base ourselves on, then? what source of information do we then have, if the main sources are filled with propaganda? Should we then believe more the guy who sells books at 25 dollars each after conferences on the subject? If we were to follow your logic, there would be no way possible by which we could know anything at all about anything whatsoever, because any source could then be manipulated one way or the other. And then, why and how could you, personally, or anyone for that matter, tell what’s right from what’s wrong? We have to base our opinions on the most serious sources we can find; there’s no choice in the matter. Or else anything goes, any opinion is equal to any other.

I base my opinions this way, I look at all the available and factual evidence, I listen to all sides of the argument I then put myself in the shoes of those engaged in debates to try and analyse what types of people or establishments they are, where I can I will use previous history and trends as a secondary guide.

I will also look at possible ulterior motives etc and I will also play out lots of possible scenarios in my head to see if any of this could fit where pieces are missing, then I will either form a judgement if facts etc are strong or I will remain open minded until more evidence or facts come to light, also a lot of what I believe comes from first hand experiences or having my own theories then finding that some do in fact have followers in the scientific community all of this and a few other things tell me most of the time whether I am on the right path or not

You say how could you tell what is right or wrong, I say sometimes there are no absolutes, sometimes things may not be black and white but they may in fact be grey one example I pointed at in another post is the double slit experiment and its ensuing paradox


Secondly, I’ve never been able to get over the simple fact that if the government was hiding so much from us, so many people would have to be involved it never possibly could stay secret! President Clinton couldn’t even have his dick sucked without being denounced publicly!

This I feel is a bit of a moot point (A) your point here is banking on the fact that most people in goverment have access to top secret classified files information and black projects which is simply not true. (B) Those who may have access or be involved won't have just been picked willy nilly they will most likely have been closely watched, profiled and unknownly tested to establish this persons trustworthiness to be privvy to secret knowledge (c) Those involved (once accepted) are likely to have been warned of possible ramifications should they disclose secret information, that may well be a full nda and told they will go to prison for the rest of their natural life, to death threats to them or family members, there are numerous ways to coerce people into keeping their mouths shut accidents seem to be a good one


Third, yes, there most probably is intelligence out there somewhere. But we know nothing of it. And once again, as I was saying, what you apply to it in your assumptions, is that it somewhat has the same kind of interests and attitudes as we have, for instance, traveling unimaginable distances in order to threat us like lab animals! But this is OUR behaviour, a purely human behaviour! If we imagine any intelligence from distant worlds, we have to imagine it totally different from us. That’s an obvious biological fact: evolution could not possibly repeat itself similarly elsewhere; the process involved is too complex and subjected to too many factors. Life and intelligence would have to be radically different.

Hold a minute how do any of us know 100% our origins when we know next to nothing about the universe we live in, keeping an open mind here whose to say the universe itself and all life in it isn't just the product of a higher races experiment, it could well look natural and evolve at whatever rate but inside it proves what to us, say compared to possibly what it may actually be on its outside

I assume nothing I keep an open mind until most or all the pieces are there, we live in a puzzle where we think we know this and that but when we look at the vastness of the bigger picture you tell me what do we really know when we cannot even see 1% of the whole

And tell me where it is an obvious biological fact that evolution could not repeat itself similarly elsewhere given similar conditions and whatever key factors may be necessary then why couldn't it, has this been proven 100% that this cannot happen, erm no and I take it that you have not heard of the many worlds theory then?

You say that our behaviour is our own yet we as a race have some capabilities to manipulate our behaviour and thought imagine what advanced beings could potentially do, and why do I have to imagine advanced beings as being radically different from us whose to say they not really like us but have been around as a race a lot longer? Yes they may well be radically different to us or they may in fact be quite similar to us Bipeds with thumbs might well be a preferred design in doing well in this universe but again I make no assumptions as to what they are really like


Let me give you a very simple example: there is fairly intelligent life different from us, yet coming from the same source on this very planet. In fact, we’re talking about mammals. In a 10 minutes segment of a whale song, we know there is between 10 000 and 10 000 000 millions bits of information. In the former case, we’re in front of fairly intelligent animals; in the latter, we’re in front of very, very intelligent animals. Yet, it is obvious that we can’t communicate with whales; we can’t even start to understand what they are “saying” to each others; their reality is just too different. Imagine now the being and the reality of creatures from a distant, completely different world! You can’t apply to them anything you think about humans! It would simply be what we call anthropocentrism. That’s what I meant when I was telling you we have to take a base on biology, not on science-fiction…

[/U]Your above statement is making the assumption that I even assume anything which I do not do, and you have missed my point about our comparisons and interactions with other lifeforms so let me spell it out does the lab rat understand us no, but we for the most part understand it and can manipulate it without it ever understanding what we are doing, that could quite easily be happening to us right now that is my point, I always look at things with an open mind, the reason I strongly believe in the higher order is down to personal experiences, I do not expect you to believe what I believe to be honest because if someone told me about the stuff I know now I would definitely not believe either, all I can say is never form an opinion either way until you have all the facts in front of you and sci fi a lot of the time becomes sci fact[/U]

[Cecil Rhodes]

Japanese Balloon Bombs, The Manhattan Project, Argo, D-Day Invasion of Normandy while it was actually taking place, Boy George, George Michael, Elton John, Rock Hudson, Liberace', Anderson Cooper being Gay . ....... Can't keep secrets ?

[danthepoetman]

You're making good arguments in there, Joe. And once again, I respect your opinion.

[Tyler___Durden]

That's pretty much what I saw, Cecil. It was a cristal clear night. From very far, at very high altitude, I saw something that looked like a shooting star passing in a fraction of a second. Yet I could slightly distinguish the shape of the object, which was not quite cylindrical, but did seemed to have wings at the end of it. What surprised me the most, was that it was a if I could see the air wave around the object as it passed. Never seen anything like that before or after. It was a plane. It passed at just fabulous speed. From the horizon to behind me in less than a second, almost instanteneously -I can't describe it.
It's a matter of scale
A big object a long way away moving really fast
is the same as a really small object really close, moving really slowly.
Is it possible that you saw a really tiny UFO
whose actual size is an inch across
travelling across your line of sight at a distance of ten feet
at a speed of a bicycle being ridden by the local vicar?

A lot of alien invasions fail because they make the spaceships really small
and consequently they move really slowly
and by the time they get here,
we've all switched the lights off and gone to bed for the night.

The last alien invasion fleet to arrive on Earth was so small,
that when they landed outside the UN building
to demand planet wide surrender;
they accidentally got trodden on by a young child.
And nobody noticed.
Happens all the time.

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G'Gugvuntts and Vl'hurgs

Two species which existed in the distant past, a very great distance from the Milky Way galaxy. The G'Gugvuntt were enemies of the Vl'hurgs, and these strange and warlike beings are on the brink of an interstellar war, because of an insult uttered by the G'Gugvuntt leader to the mother of the Vl'hurg leader. Resplendent in their black-jeweled battle shorts, they were meeting for the last time, and a dreadful silence filled the air as the Vl'hurg leader was challenging the G'Gugvuntt leader to retract the insult. At the precise moment, the phrase "I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle" (muttered by Arthur Dent to himself, which for some strange reason was carried by a freak wormhole in space back in time to the farthest regions of the universe where the G'Gugvuntts and the Vl'hurgs lived) filled the air over the conference table, which in the Vl'hurg tongue was the most dreadful insult imaginable. It left them no choice but to declare war on the G'Gugvuntts, which went on for a few thousand years and decimated their entire galaxy.

After millennia of battle the surviving G'Gugvuntt and Vl'hurg realised what had actually happened, and joined forces to attack the Milky Way in retaliation. They crossed vast reaches of space in a journey lasting thousands of years before reaching their target where they attacked the first planet they encountered, Earth. Due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was swallowed by a small dog. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy states that this sort of thing happens all the time.

[danthepoetman]

Lol lol lol! I’m sure it does! No doubt we’re very lucky!
It might have been an anorexic firefly on meth passing right above my head, or the blue fairy speeding up to catch Santa after a night downtown. I was high, as I said. Could have been anything, I guess.
Maybe the Milky Way is a line of coke waiting to be snorted by one of Von Daniken’s Gods… But I still feel it probably was the plane. I’m boring like that, Tyler. :)

[joeninety]

Japanese Balloon Bombs, The Manhattan Project, Argo, D-Day Invasion of Normandy while it was actually taking place, Boy George, George Michael, Elton John, Rock Hudson, Liberace', Anderson Cooper being Gay . ....... Can't keep secrets ?


Ok since you seem to be the man in here who knows it all answer this;

Tell me what goes on in and around area51 which is known facilitiy and area with hundreds/thousands of workers there but no one seems to know exactlywhat goes on in there?

I want specific details of projects not some generalisations.

[joeninety]

You're making good arguments in there, Joe. And once again, I respect your opinion.


Cheers Dan appreciate it and I like reading your posts here too and in other threads, I think you a man of substance.

[Cecil Rhodes]

It wassn't an SR-71 . They fley to high to see from the ground and at night they didn't use anti-collision lights , They haven't been used in over 10 years .

[danthepoetman]

Cheers Dan appreciate it and I like reading your posts here too and in other threads, I think you a man of substance.
I think the same of you, Joe.


It wassn't an SR-71 . They fley to high to see from the ground and at night they didn't use anti-collision lights , They haven't been used in over 10 years .
It probably was somewhere at the end of the 70s, Cecil, 78, 79...

[Tyler___Durden]

Lol lol lol! I’m sure it does! No doubt we’re very lucky!
It might have been an anorexic firefly on meth passing right above my head,
or the blue fairy speeding up to catch Santa after a night downtown.
I was high, as I said. Could have been anything, I guess.
Maybe the Milky Way is a line of coke waiting to be snorted by one of
Von Daniken’s Gods…
But I still feel it probably was the plane. I’m boring like that, Tyler. :)

TYLER (rambling):
Happens all the time, man. falling out of the skies like flies.
Government knows all about it...
Chariots of the Gods, man...
They practically own South America.
I mean they taught the Incas everything
They knew...
DAN: Cool it, Tyler!!
Tyler shakes a magazine at him adamantly.
TYLER: Read von Daniken! Have you read von Daniken? Get your facts straight!

In a former job I once met a client at his home which was in a village near Cambridge.
{I was selling home extensions and conservatories}
When I asked where he worked, he said "Antarctica"!
He was responsible for the buildings in the British Antarctic Survey. (http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/) (It's headquarters is in Cambridge)
He said that every base had a VHS tape of John Carpenter's "The thing"
and yes they did all have flame throwers,
though boringly these were not for killing mutating alien monsters but de-icing doorways and the like.
I asked about flying saucers buried in the ice and he said they find them all the time.
But I suspect he may have been talking tongue in cheek.

[Cecil Rhodes]

Ok since you seem to be the man in here who knows it all answer this;

Tell me what goes on in and around area51 which is known facilitiy and area with hundreds/thousands of workers there but no one seems to know exactlywhat goes on in there?

I want specific details of projects not some generalisations.

Alot goes on there . It is a Test Range and it has several facilities that are used to support it's activities . There are also bombing ranges and former nuclear test ranges . It is the Nellis Test Range which is part of Nellis AFB HQ'ed in Las Vegas . Area 51 is actually only the designation of the area on an old Atomic Energy Commission map . Kelly Johnson's Skunk Works which was part of Lockeed found it & decided it would be the perfect place to test the U-2 due to the dry lake bed . Lockeed had just received the contract to design and build the aircraft .

Although the land is on a US AFB, the Army, Navy, Marines, CIA, NSA and multiple other Agencies use it . The U-2 and SR-71 were actually CIA projects and they are the Agency that made first use of it . Most of the staff that works there live in Las Vegas and fly in daily on a chartered airline that was set up just for this contract . Those that don't fly are brought in by bus . Access by road is accessable by turning left onto the unmarked dirt road located directly accross from the Black Mail Box just outside of the spot in the road called Rachel, Nv. . The highway is now officially called the E.T. or Extraterrestrial Highway .

Besides testing new technologies, the primary use of the facilities are for the testing of Swamp Gas, Weather Balloons, Light Reflacting Mirrors used for bouncing Venus;s image all over the sky .

I can tell you what they are not doing there if you really want to know .

[Cecil Rhodes]

I think the same of you, Joe.


It probably was somewhere at the end of the 70s, Cecil, 78, 79...

You still didn't see one flying ........ lol . They flew at 80,000 feet . A standard jetliner is a lot larger & they fly between 20,000 & 25,000 feet . They are hard to see in the day time & you usually only see them because of their vapor trail & at night by their Anti-Collission Lights .

[danthepoetman]

TYLER (rambling):
Happens all the time, man. falling out of the skies like flies.
Government knows all about it...
Chariots of the Gods, man...
They practically own South America.
I mean they taught the Incas everything
They knew...
DAN: Cool it, Tyler!!
Tyler shakes a magazine at him adamantly.
TYLER: Read von Daniken! Have you read von Daniken? Get your facts straight!

In a former job I once met a client at his home which was in a village near Cambridge.
{I was selling home extensions and conservatories}
When I asked where he worked, he said "Antarctica"!
He was responsible for the buildings in the British Antarctic Survey. (http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/) (It's headquarters is in Cambridge)
He said that every base had a VHS tape of John Carpenter's "The thing"
and yes they did all have flame throwers,
though boringly these were not for killing mutating alien monsters but de-icing doorways and the like.
I asked about flying saucers buried in the ice and he said they find them all the time.
But I suspect he may have been talking tongue in cheek.
I love that movie! One of the rare sci-fi horrors that worked for me. And just as the character who defended him, I have always wandered if Von Daniken is not an alien himself. Some kind of farcical decoy.
As to people living in Antarctica, my best guess is they’re probably happy when anything happen in their neighbourhood, even attacks by a transforming alien forms… Anything to warm up a bit, and to enjoy the long (several months, if you’re deep) nights. Yet, I’ve also wandered why the creature doesn’t take the simpler plan of transforming into beautiful people. Conquest of earth would be so much easier. ;)

[joeninety]

Alot goes on there . It is a Test Range and it has several facilities that are used to support it's activities . There are also bombing ranges and former nuclear test ranges . It is the Nellis Test Range which is part of Nellis AFB HQ'ed in Las Vegas . Area 51 is actually only the designation of the area on an old Atomic Energy Commission map . Kelly Johnson's Skunk Works which was part of Lockeed found it & decided it would be the perfect place to test the U-2 due to the dry lake bed . Lockeed had just received the contract to design and build the aircraft .

Although the land is on a US AFB, the Army, Navy, Marines, CIA, NSA and multiple other Agencies use it . The U-2 and SR-71 were actually CIA projects and they are the Agency that made first use of it . Most of the staff that works there live in Las Vegas and fly in daily on a chartered airline that was set up just for this contract . Those that don't fly are brought in by bus . Access by road is accessable by turning left onto the unmarked dirt road located directly accross from the Black Mail Box just outside of the spot in the road called Rachel, Nv. . The highway is now officially called the E.T. or Extraterrestrial Highway .

Besides testing new technologies, the primary use of the facilities are for the testing of Swamp Gas, Weather Balloons, Light Reflacting Mirrors used for bouncing Venus;s image all over the sky .

I can tell you what they are not doing there if you really want to know .


Erm all you have told me about is a couple of black projects that have since been declassified and other stuff that is readily available in the public domain you still haven't told me anything specific.


Tbh very few people know about the black projects when they 1st come into existence and history shows that actually they can keep these things secret at the time, we only find out when the technology is no longer as relevant as it once was meaning they have probably replaced it with the next secret tech,


Don't pretend to know 1st hand any of the secret stuff that goes on in this world, but should you insist then talk to me in depth about project aurora does it doesn't it exisit and do not regurgitate what is linked beneath.

http://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&gs_nf=3&cp=11&gs_id=g&xhr=t&q=project+aurora&pf=p&biw=1280&bih=675&sclient=psy-ab&oq=project+aur&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=9cc6ce1e3edfb4fe&bpcl=35466521&ion=1

[Cecil Rhodes]

Erm all you have told me about is a couple of black projects that have since been declassified and other stuff that is readily available in the public domain you still haven't told me anything specific.


Tbh very few people know about the black projects when they 1st come into existence and history shows that actually they can keep these things secret at the time, we only find out when the technology is no longer as relevant as it once was meaning they have probably replaced it with the next secret tech,


Don't pretend to know 1st hand any of the secret stuff that goes on in this world, but should you insist then talk to me in depth about project aurora does it doesn't it exisit and do not regurgitate what is linked beneath.

http://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&gs_nf=3&cp=11&gs_id=g&xhr=t&q=project+aurora&pf=p&biw=1280&bih=675&sclient=psy-ab&oq=project+aur&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=9cc6ce1e3edfb4fe&bpcl=35466521&ion=1

Aurora ...... Yes they do that there . It is a ploy . While people like you and even more, those that venture there are looking in the sky for Aurora, you are not looking at the actual locations where things of that nature are being developed and tested . Aurora was a word found once on an alleged copy of a Black Budget a couple of decades ago . It is being hyped for it's disinformation value . Aliens and UFOs are used the same way for the same reasons . The US Gov't and others use them to :jerkoff you . The big thing being devoloped now are UAVs, not Spook Jets . As far as Aliens are concerned, if the US Gov't is involved with them, you are not going to know about it nor where they are .

You don't know me, you do not know what i do, what i have done in the past nor what i know . I will tell you this . I know alot more about this topic than you will ever know & i know what to say & what not to say . So go back to reading google for your info & i will keep going to youtube .

[joeninety]

Aurora ...... Yes they do that there . It is a ploy . While people like you and even more, those that venture there are looking in the sky for Aurora, you are not looking at the actual locations where things of that nature are being developed and tested . Aurora was a word found once on an alleged copy of a Black Budget a couple of decades ago . It is being hyped for it's disinformation value . Aliens and UFOs are used the same way for the same reasons . The US Gov't and others use them to :jerkoff you . The big thing being devoloped now are UAVs, not Spook Jets . As far as Aliens are concerned, if the US Gov't is involved with them, you are not going to know about it nor where they are .

You don't know me, you do not know what i do, what i have done in the past nor what i know . I will tell you this . I know alot more about this topic than you will ever know & i know what to say & what not to say . So go back to reading google for your info & i will keep going to youtube .


Ha ha got you Mr Rhodes or whoever you are, baited your ego fell for my trap just like a fiend, actually you do not know me either and believe me I know enough about this subject more so than I wished to, so do not bother sending me the disinformation I know how to access the real and I know about project aurora's transatlantic test flight many years ago which was blamed on earthquake tremors.

So lets say you are in fact a spook though I seriously doubt it, then in reality your only purpose here is possibly being a disinformation drone, just as you are doing so at the moment, hmmm nice 1 for revealing part of who you probably really are:geek:

[Cecil Rhodes]

Ha ha got you Mr Rhodes or whoever you are, baited your ego fell for my trap just like a fiend, actually you do not know me either and believe me I know enough about this subject more so than I wished to, so do not bother sending me the disinformation I know how to access the real and I know about project aurora's transatlantic test flight many years ago which was blamed on earthquake tremors.

So lets say you are in fact a spook though I seriously doubt it, then in reality your only purpose here is possibly being a disinformation drone, just as you are doing so at the moment, hmmm nice 1 for revealing part of who you probably really are:geek:

You didn't bait shit . I knew what you were doing and played along . I know your little interogation technique .

Transatlantic flight ? All 11 minutes of it eh ?

Btw, the Black Mail Box is now White . Speaking of that, Spook ? You have obviously confused my nick for Robert Mugabe .

Keep watching the Navy Ambulance at Andrews AFD newreel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_23UyIuEzK4