Shades of Grey

[Marts]

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[Wendy Summers]

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I have mixed feelings with the book. I can't deny it was hot... It definitely inspired this set (that's the book between my legs lol).

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But it wasn't the deep dark BDSM book people claim it was... its REALLY fucking tame IMO

[Jackal]

Poorly written book by a woman who doesn't know squat about erotica or the U.S.A. It read like it was written by a 13-year old with a Mary Sue fetish.

[Jericho]

My Ma thought it was shite! :shrug

[Prospero]

I downloaded the first chapter for free - and it was awesomely brilliant - War and Peace meets Moby Dick meets Proust. So good I'm postponing reading the rest until my next life.

[Wendy Summers]

I downloaded the first chapter for free - and it was awesomely brilliant - War and Peace meets Moby Dick meets Proust. So good I'm postponing reading the rest until my next life.

lolz.

It's no great work of literature, but it was more than enough to make my skirt look like a rain-soaked big top.

[Prospero]

Goodness.... well I didn't get to any of that stuff. it was all this stid girl going dewy eyed over a pompous and totally unbelievable superman (couldn't be credible since the author never met me).

[Wendy Summers]

Goodness.... well I didn't get to any of that stuff. it was all this stid girl going dewy eyed over a pompous and totally unbelievable superman (couldn't be credible since the author never met me).

It takes a few chapter until you get to the wetness inducing passages.

[Prospero]

I will surely take your word on this one. I actually seldom real pornography. Especially badly written pornography. Specially badly written pornography aimed at women. Give me the Marquis de Sade any day.

[Dino Velvet]

delete

[Prospero]

Good grief... fifty shades of shit....

[Dino Velvet]

Good grief... fifty shades of shit....

How many wipes would that take?

[Prospero]

Enough... poop has no erotic appeal to me in any shape or form. Yeukkk

I did once buy a girlfriend a book entitled Shit. In big letters on the front cover. Was covered in velvet. She happily read it on the Tube. I like that.

[Marts]

I hear that Disney Studios are in negotiations for the film rights. http://www.getsmile.com/emoticons/energizer-smileys-51935/top%20secret2.gif

[Prospero]

I think that is actually true... snow white and fifty shades of grey....

[Dino Velvet]

Enough... poop has no erotic appeal to me in any shape or form. Yeukkk

I did once buy a girlfriend a book entitled Shit. In big letters on the front cover. Was covered in velvet. She happily read it on the Tube. I like that.

You found out I squatted over it too, huh?

[Prospero]

I am outta this thread.... Dino is pooptastically OTT

[Dino Velvet]

I am outta this thread.... Dino is pooptastically OTT

I haven't flushed yet! Wait!

[Wendy Summers]

I will surely take your word on this one. I actually seldom real pornography. Especially badly written pornography. Specially badly written pornography aimed at women. Give me the Marquis de Sade any day.

No wonder you and Dino get along so famously...

[Wendy Summers]

I am outta this thread.... Dino is pooptastically OTT

When is he not?

[Dino Velvet]

No wonder you and Dino get along so famously...

You know he's Tony Randall, right? Bad enough I gotta be Quincy.

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[Wendy Summers]

You know he's Tony Randall, right? Bad enough I gotta be Quincy.

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Yep - strangely I tolerate both of you...

[Dino Velvet]

Yep - strangely I tolerate both of you...

Your mind must be very open and vast to tolerate both of us at the same time.

[reformedcharacter]

typical example of how packaging can make an otherwise unremarkable book into a best seller

before clit lit became popular there was a trend in chick lit a few years ago where if the cover in certain style it was guaranteed to be a best seller.

I swear if they had repackaged Das Kapital with a stick woman with a handbag on the cover and the title in quirky letters it would have sold by the bucket load

[bassman2546]

Thought this might be a Sasha Grey thread. Dang.

[Dino Velvet]

Thought this might be a Sasha Grey thread. Dang.

I thought it would be about Spaghetti Westerns.

[GrimFusion]

I agree with Prospero. It's a poorly written porn novel. I'm just a little surprised at the number of women I've seen reading it or discussing the book publicly. I'm all for sexual liberation, but screw this double-standard. If men are often chastised and disciplined as deviants for browsing through porn in public, then why should women be allowed to wet down bus seats and park benches doing the same shit?

I'd understand if there were some kind of intelligible merit to reading 50 Shades of Grey, but E.L. James has the writing prowess of a 14-year-old. There's simply nothing enriching about a story in which a millionaire fucks his sex slave over and over. In fact, the message the book seems to put across actively conflicts with the views most feminists and women's liberation activists have been fighting against for generations.

There's nothing wrong with smut, but if I can't walk out in public with a porn magazine in-hand without causing some kind of social taboo, 50 Shades fans can keep that shit in the bedroom where it belongs.

[Wendy Summers]

Your mind must be very open and vast to tolerate both of us at the same time.

It's not my mind that has to be vast to accomodate both of you.

[Wendy Summers]

typical example of how packaging can make an otherwise unremarkable book into a best seller

before clit lit became popular there was a trend in chick lit a few years ago where if the cover in certain style it was guaranteed to be a best seller.

I swear if they had repackaged Das Kapital with a stick woman with a handbag on the cover and the title in quirky letters it would have sold by the bucket load

I call bullshit. If that was the case Mein Kampf would have the same sales as Fifty Shades of Grey - same basic style. They're both full of bullshit too :dancing:

http://books.google.com/books?id=bEevE-Ysw5MC&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&l=220

[Wendy Summers]

I agree with Prospero. It's a poorly written porn novel. I'm just a little surprised at the number of women I've seen reading it or discussing the book publicly. I'm all for sexual liberation, but screw this double-standard. If men are often chastised and disciplined as deviants for browsing through porn in public, then why should women be allowed to wet down bus seats and park benches doing the same shit?

I'd understand if there were some kind of intelligible merit to reading 50 Shades of Grey, but E.L. James has the writing prowess of a 14-year-old. There's simply nothing enriching about a story in which a millionaire fucks his sex slave over and over. In fact, the message the book seems to put across actively conflicts with the views most feminists and women's liberation activists have been fighting against for generations.

There's nothing wrong with smut, but if I can't walk out in public with a porn magazine in-hand without causing some kind of social taboo, 50 Shades fans can keep that shit in the bedroom where it belongs.

See you don't get the book... it's about how a Vanilla girl reaches the power hungry corporate hunk who needs to learn how to love.

[reformedcharacter]

I call bullshit. If that was the case Mein Kampf would have the same sales as Fifty Shades of Grey - same basic style. They're both full of bullshit too :dancing:

http://books.google.com/books?id=bEevE-Ysw5MC&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&l=220

Mein Kampf - otherwise known as 50 Shades Of Cunt :dancing:

[Wendy Summers]

Dumb question but does mentioning that book mean I just Godwin'd the thread?

[GrimFusion]

See you don't get the book... it's about how a Vanilla girl reaches the power hungry corporate hunk who needs to learn how to love.

I get the book. I just think it's plot is horribly unrealistic. Wealthy men aren't the type to fly in and play financial and emotional Superman to average women. That's a part of the fantasy. If you were to remove all of the plot content that has absolutely no basis in reality, the book becomes about a rich guy and his sex slave. *shrug*

[Wendy Summers]

I get the book. I just think it's plot is horribly unrealistic. Wealthy men aren't the type to fly in and play financial and emotional Superman to average women. That's a part of the fantasy. If you were to remove all of the plot content that has absolutely no basis in reality, the book becomes about a rich guy and his sex slave. *shrug*

I could say the same thing about most the porn you all watch...

[reformedcharacter]

I could say the same thing about most the porn you all watch...

the difference is it isn't socially acceptable be seen enjoying it on the tube to work in the morning ;)

[Wendy Summers]

the difference is it isn't socially acceptable be seen enjoying it on the tube to work in the morning ;)

More proof we women may not have much power in the world but we do rule the roost.

[GrimFusion]

I could say the same thing about most the porn you all watch...

Yes. Yes you could. Men don't defend their favorite porn titles by claiming there's some sort of value to the porn's unrealistic story-line or oversimplified character interactions, though. Porn is porn whether we're talking internet content, DVD, or a book. It only exists to get off; Not to become the basis for fan clubs filled with fuckin' idiots who provide credence and credit where it's simply not due.

[Wendy Summers]

Yes. Yes you could. Men don't defend their favorite porn titles by claiming there's some sort of value to the porn's unrealistic story-line or oversimplified character interactions, though. Porn is porn whether we're talking internet content, DVD, or a book. It only exists to get off; Not to become the basis for fan clubs filled with fuckin' idiots who provide credence and credit where it's simply not due.

I don't think any person has claimed there's social value to 50 Shades of Grey

[GrimFusion]

I don't think any person has claimed there's social value to 50 Shades of Grey

O, RLY? (http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod=9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=50+shades+of+grey+book+club)
I guess you're right. (http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod=9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=50+shades+of+grey+book+club#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=why+is+50+shades+of+grey+social+value&oq=why+is+50+shades+of+grey+social+value&gs_l=serp.3..33i38.36130.36931.3.37441.6.6.0.0.0.0 .236.1147.0j4j2.6.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.AwsrirTGSEc&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=f7e35ff64d463bcb&biw=1024&bih=679)

I don't mean to sound like I'm bitter at you just for reading it. I know YOU have enough sense in your head to see the book for what it is, and after all, there's not a damn thing wrong with porn. I just feel it's getting far too much public recognition for no good reason.

[Wendy Summers]

O, RLY? (http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod=9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=50+shades+of+grey+book+club)
I guess you're right. (http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod=9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=50+shades+of+grey+book+club#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=why+is+50+shades+of+grey+social+value&oq=why+is+50+shades+of+grey+social+value&gs_l=serp.3..33i38.36130.36931.3.37441.6.6.0.0.0.0 .236.1147.0j4j2.6.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.AwsrirTGSEc&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=f7e35ff64d463bcb&biw=1024&bih=679)

I don't mean to sound like I'm bitter at you just for reading it. I know YOU have enough sense in your head to see the book for what it is, and after all, there's not a damn thing wrong with porn. I just feel it's getting far too much public recognition for no good reason.

It's a joke within most of the BDSM community

[danthepoetman]

I wish I would allow myself to read such things. But I’m way too obsessed! It seems to me there are sooooooo many interesting and important books to read. I’m not capable of losing one reading minute to something like that. I suppose I sound terribly snob, but it really is a neurosis. I can’t fight it.

[Prospero]

Dan - you an intellectual elitist effete left-wing liberal commie snob. There... I am sure that hits the right note with some of the members here.

I agree actually - but read some of it out of a need to engage with popular culture.

[danthepoetman]

Best analysis of my neurosis so far. Maybe I should slip you $120, Prospero. I will also follow the prescription, reluctantly but in the hope of a recovery…

[freedom]

I shared the biases of most of the posters regarding this book. However, several girls at work were all "you have to read this" and I read a couple books per week anyway so I gave it a go.

The quality of the prose is very poor, no argument there at all. But the characters do become engaging after awhile. The claim that it is "porn literature" is perhaps fair, if you do the math on how many sexual acts occur per day you are likely to start feeling very inadequate (maybe that's just me though).

One of the key things to remember, and that no one ever seems to mention, is that it was originally fanfic based in the "Twighlight" world. This EL James obviously got strong feedback for her fanfic and a publisher decided to take a chance on her. This probably explains the weak writing and the woeful editing, especially of the first novel.

But in the end who really cares?! If people enjoy a book then they enjoy a book, what business is it of anyone else? Perhaps young women are reading "kinky-fuckery" scenes the same way we (assuming mostly male membership of HA) watch porn videos, so what? If "porn" is dressed up as lit does it make any difference, I don't think so.

To each their own, and let no one judge.

[danthepoetman]

But in the end who really cares?! If people enjoy a book then they enjoy a book, what business is it of anyone else? Perhaps young women are reading "kinky-fuckery" scenes the same way we (assuming mostly male membership of HA) watch porn videos, so what? If "porn" is dressed up as lit does it make any difference, I don't think so.

To each their own, and let no one judge.
Agreed. If anything gets people to read, it’s good in this day and age. And we already live in a blown up culture, in which everything is published for every possible kind of taste. Never has culture been so diversified in history. However deficiency it might count, our culture has achieve a state of total accessibility and plurality. It's certainly one of the greatest achievements of our society. And therefore you’re right: to each his/her own.
I was just joking in my previous posts. Of course I respect every one’s choices and tastes.

[bassman2546]

It's all marketing, people. The publishing company saw something that today's woman (who doesn't surf porn or read hardcore erotica) would find interesting in a softer nature and, as they hoped, those women ate it up. God forbid they read the word pussy or cock. That just wouldn't be right, would it? Note to self. Stay away from any woman who has these books sitting on her coffee table.

[freedom]

Note to self. Stay away from any woman who has these books sitting on her coffee table.

DISAGREE! The girl who finally convinced me to give this book a chance is the sexiest little thing. My mind has ranged over all sorts of scenarios now knowing she enjoyed it...... :praying:

[Wendy Summers]

Dan - you an intellectual elitist effete left-wing liberal commie snob. There... I am sure that hits the right note with some of the members here.

I agree actually - but read some of it out of a need to engage with popular culture.

As the Tick once said, "Culture belongs on the end of a swab in the hands of a qualified physician."

I'm predicting now your engagement to pop culture won't last. I bet you won't even take it to the altar.


It's all marketing, people. The publishing company saw something that today's woman (who doesn't surf porn or read hardcore erotica) would find interesting in a softer nature and, as they hoped, those women ate it up. God forbid they read the word pussy or cock. That just wouldn't be right, would it? Note to self. Stay away from any woman who has these books sitting on her coffee table.

If it's on her coffee table... she's sending a message #tiemeup

[loveboof]

One of the key things to remember, and that no one ever seems to mention, is that it was originally fanfic based in the "Twighlight" world.

Yeah apparently she just swapped vampires with rich corporate people.

To be fair, Twilight would probably be better without the vampires too...

[Wendy Summers]

Yeah apparently she just swapped vampires with rich corporate people.

To be fair, Twilight would probably be better without the vampires too...


It's not the vampires which bothers me... it's the glittering...

[loveboof]

It's not the vampires which bothers me... it's the glittering...

Exactly. So make them sparkley, fabulous business men... Then the film is not ruining that image vampires have tried so hard to cultivate over the years! lol

[Prospero]

I agree f it gets people to read. That pile of twaddle The Da Vinci Code was even more poorly written. But once you accepted that it was, indeed, a page turner.

I think what a lot of people are agitated about with Shades of Grey is the imae of women it offers.

[Wendy Summers]

I agree f it gets people to read. That pile of twaddle The Da Vinci Code was even more poorly written. But once you accepted that it was, indeed, a page turner.

I think what a lot of people are agitated about with Shades of Grey is the imae of women it offers.

That we can ultimately teach men how to love and be romantic? :dancing:

[Prospero]

Is that how it ends? You read all three books? I thought it was all about a girl submitting to male domination.