Are most TS fans turned off by girls who had surgeries?

[TSPornFan]

I am curious about this. I think Sarina Valentina, Eva Lin, Kimber James, Vaniity, etc. Surgery girls have at least one surgery such as a boob job. I am asking this question because I noticed Eva Lin's hardcore scene at Strokers received a very bad rating.

Everyone has seen the anti-surgery Kimber James thread. I am surprised no one has bumped it to complain about her G cup boob job.

I remember reading an interview about Shemale Strokers and Sammy said that most TS fans want a natural TS woman.

Are most TS fans turned off by girls who had surgeries?

[rodinuk]

I don't think so, I think most of them hope for boobage and hormonal boobage doesn't necessarily satisfy their lust.

Anyways it's about what the TS wants not what the TS fan wants :geek:

[danthepoetman]

In my case, not necessarily, Franklin. If it’s well done and beautiful, I won’t dislike it just because it’s surgery, of course. I do have a preference for natural, but am not obsessed by it. For instance, I used to love Bianca Freire before she got breast implants, but I admit I find her even more beautiful since she did. I’m almost greatful little Thays Schiavinato never got any, but I can’t picture some girls without having implants. It all depends on the physique of the girl, I suppose, although I’m not sure I’d be a good judge of who should get some and who shouldn’t.
I guess in the end, what I find the most beautiful is a woman who feels confident and beautiful herself. This type of feeling seems to come out on the screen and in life. Nothing is as beautiful as radiant femininity!

[rbiller]

I think plastic surgery is fine unless one goes too far. Kimber James has gone too far IMHO and so have many others. If TGirls want to live their lives as women, I think they should try to look as much like a natural woman as possible and Kimber doesn't even come close.

[benfromchicago]

it dosen't bother me

[amberskyi]

I don't think so, I think most of them hope for boobage and hormonal boobage doesn't necessarily satisfy their lust.

Anyways it's about what the TS wants not what the TS fan wants :geek:

every guy ive been with has been more than satisfied with my natural breast.most said they preferred it to implants because my tits feel like how a normal chicks breast would feel.ive even had guys beg for me to not do that to myself, like i was going to be butchered or something if i got implants lol

[Willie Escalade]

If the girl wants plastic surgery, that's her choice. Some might not like it, but there will be folks that do. THOSE are the ones that matter.

One can never please the masses...

[loveboof]

If the girl wants plastic surgery, that's her choice. Some might not like it, but there will be folks that do. THOSE are the ones that matter.

One can never please the masses...

True. But girls can take the surgeries too far - and then it doesn't look good!

How far is 'too far' may be debatable, but the fact that it will eventually look horrific is not really a question of taste anymore.

[Merkurie]

every guy ive been with has been more than satisfied with my natural breast.most said they preferred it to implants because my tits feel like how a normal chicks breast would feel.ive even had guys beg for me to not do that to myself, like i was going to be butchered or something if i got implants lol

That is because they are real breasts!
I mean look at them, they leave nothing to be desired. When you go bra-less you must get a whole lot of attention.

The girls with surgery (TS and GG) that I like, I like in spite of it, not because of it. Some have had some truly inspired work, but it is a risk, and a lot of these surgeons are not very good.

[Quiet Reflections]

If the girl wants plastic surgery, that's her choice. Some might not like it, but there will be folks that do. THOSE are the ones that matter.

One can never please the masses...
I have to agree 100%. I might not be a fan of certain surgeries but who am I to tell a girl what she can and can't do with her body. In the end people will have to do what it takes to make themselves happy and say fuck off to everyone else.

[loveboof]

In the end people will have to do what it takes to make themselves happy and say fuck off to everyone else.

Most people don't have a clue what will make themselves happy, and imo most surgeries are more than likely the result of precisely the opposite to saying 'fuck off to everyone else'.

If these people didn't care what others thought, then they would already be comfortable in their own skin...

There will be exceptions (of which transsexual boob jobs could be included).

[LibertyHarkness]

i diasgree .. unless your a transsexual and living in the shoes of trying to live as the opposiite gender you should have been .. you cant really comment as you have no experience of it first hand ..

example i have had face surgery, and have more booked in ... did i need the face surgery .. yes i did for me to blend into society as a woman ,, before my face surgery i was victim to lots of nasty of comments , and hassles in real life that made it a chore and just well generally got on my tits ...

after face surgery .. well now i blned into society i walk into town, shops, etc at 7am no makeup , everyone refers to me as miss, lady, maam etc .. on that basis surgery was pivotal in my transitoning and my wellbeing and my self image ... it was also a step in the direction of how i have percived i should have looked

i think most sensible TS women have a clear vision in tehir head of how they want to eventually look ..and slowly work towards that ..

it is one thing to be comfortable in your own skin and accept you are what you are, but its another thing entirety to live a life of hassles/hardship due to some physical imperfections that can easily be fixed under the knife .

Myself i know absoultutely what makes me happy ...i would say most TS just want to be afforded the same liberties as genetic women in life as being accepted as a female and not hassled for looking abit different etc .. alas some need more work than others that is a fact of life .

Sure some people get surgery to enhance work oportunites that is nothing knew, genetic women and men have been doing that for years so why shouldnt a TS ... i do agree that some do get surgery feeling it will make life better when it doesnt or they have unrealsitic expectations of surgery ... myself i went into surgery with the simple message to my surgeon of "demasculines me as much as you safely can for this bout of surgery" i didnt expect to come out looking like kyle minogue etc ... maange tyour expectations is probably the worst mistake some TS make ..

[danthepoetman]

Yes, Liberty, you’re becoming more and more beautiful with time. And yet, I didn’t know and wouldn’t have known you had surgery, which suggest to me that it was very well done. Before I read your post, I thought it was the work of hormones only.
The most important, I agree, is a woman’s confidence. A woman who feel beautiful will come out as beautiful. It’s about confidence and femininity, and a girl confident in her beauty is most often than not radiant.
Even in the case of Kimber James, who’s surgery was a bit extreme, I must admit, I’m not sure to understand some reactions: she’s a bomb, she’s still looks fabulous, she’s a dream, it’s almost as if she had been drawn by a particularly perverse and talented artist. :)

Amber, I understand why guys would love these: this is poetry in the flesh! I could spend the rest of my life contemplating these and paint them, like Cezanne with his peaches and pears. :)

[RallyCola]

while i agree with everyone here that what any performer decides to do with their body is their own business, i will say this....

there have been some instances where a girl will undergo a procedure (boobs, lips, nose, whatever) and I will begin to like her when I previously didn't and there have been times where i prefer the pre-procedure version. my tastes are my own and when a girl meets them, i'll buy her work. when she doesn't meet them, i'll just spend elsewhere.

[loveboof]

i diasgree ..

Yeah. Originally I went into more depth after I said about 'the exceptions' in my last post - but I was boring myself, so decided to cut it out.

There is potentially a difference between those (initial) feminisation surgeries, and the purely cosmetic surgeries that often follow.

With all due respect, you don't really know what will make you happy. You probably have an idea and assume that you'll know once you get there - but in reality where do you draw the line? More often than not 'the line' is drawn on your face... by another plastic surgeon!
[in terms of what makes you happy, I'm talking specifically about appearance]

[beatlephil]

I am curious about this. I think Sarina Valentina, Eva Lin, Kimber James, Vaniity, etc. Surgery girls have at least one surgery such as a boob job. I am asking this question because I noticed Eva Lin's hardcore scene at Strokers received a very bad rating.

Everyone has seen the anti-surgery Kimber James thread. I am surprised no one has bumped it to complain about her G cup boob job.

I remember reading an interview about Shemale Strokers and Sammy said that most TS fans want a natural TS woman.

Are most TS fans turned off by girls who had surgeries?
I'm not the least bit turned off by these ladies pursuit of a dream denied them at birth. Every transsexual has an ideal image of themselves as a woman that today's medical technology enables them to make reality on the outside as far their finances allow. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And I for one like the full-figured, showgirl-look with large breasts. Sarina valentina, Kimber James, Allanah Starr, Gia Darling and many others certainly fits the bill for guys like me. So long as they don't harm themselves in the process I see no reason to criticize their accomplishments.

[FreddieGomez]

every guy ive been with has been more than satisfied with my natural breast.most said they preferred it to implants because my tits feel like how a normal chicks breast would feel.ive even had guys beg for me to not do that to myself, like i was going to be butchered or something if i got implants lol

I'm not a titty man but those look nice and soft. And the areola is perfect size. Alot of ts have these nickle size nipples with tits as big as basketballs and that shit don't look natural or even feminine. especially if they dont even move

[amberskyi]

I'm not a titty man but those look nice and soft. And the areola is perfect size. Alot of ts have these nickle size nipples with tits as big as basketballs and that shit don't look natural or even feminine. especially if they dont even move


thanks freedie.they were hella sore and tender today.i think i might be pregnant lol...or maybe just horny >.<

[giovanni_hotel]

Amber your bewbies are PERRRFECTION!! It amazes how HRT can have this radical change in some TG's bodies.

Where most admirers will admit it, we ALL appreciate the surgery undertaken by many trans-chicks. The problem IMO is when a girl gets too much done and begins to look slightly plastic.

[christianxxx]

I will take the pro-Kimber James and the like position here. You guys have to remember that you guys and this thread is the vocal minority opinion.

Kimber is a professional escort. guys tend to hire escorts to fulfill a fantasy. That fantasy is almost always huge tits, huge ass, big lips, etc etc. In order to get that look, many surgeries are involved. those surgeries aren't cheap. So the more surgeries you get, the more you look like a fantasy, so the more money you make, so you can then get more surgeries. its like a ball rolling downhill.

so what libby said is 100 percent true. she and every TS (and every GG) has a vision in her mind of what she ideally wants to look like, and the only way to accomplish this is thru surgery.

BTW - I have always found Libby attractive not only bc of her looks, but her personality makes her extremely appealing. Just saying.

if you asked me what 3 girls make the most money from clients in this world - I would say Jennifer Paris - Kimber - and Ana Mancini - notice a theme there?

[danthepoetman]

Very good points, Christian. I tend to prefer as natural as possible, but you’re right: these ladies are often living, breathing fantasies. They are indeed succeeding in representing an ideal. And as Liberty is showing, sometimes we can’t even tell what was done.
I also disagree with many of the things that were said about Kimber James: she’s a bomb! She’s the embodiment of a perfect fantasy.
It’s just fun when a girl finds herself beautiful. It shows! it’s all there! it radiates! And for women who found themselves to have the wrong body forever, I’m sure some surgery will be necessary at some point. It’s normal. Franklin’s question was about our feelings as consumers of porn, I assume, and in this case, I think it’s probably even truer that an ideal should be pursued, as you pointed out, Christian.

[ditadior]

I have no surgeries.
But I'm getting my first surgery in March in Europe.

Regardless if you have surgeries or not. It should just be the personality and what the person provides and brings to the table for you to make you like them or not.

But then again everyone is different in how they think. Which is fine. That's what makes the world colourful for different interests.

[danthepoetman]

I’ll admit anytime that whoever feels that you, personally, Dita, need surgery, is completely crazy, or at best blind… :) But if you have some, I’m sure it will be wonderful: you are obviously someone, like most women, who has a deep sense of her personal aesthetic. I believe anything you do with yourself will be beautiful.

[loveboof]

I think Christian and Danthepoet are being quite shortsighted.

Some of those high earning escorts / porn stars may be fulfilling a fantasy now (which as I said before is all about what others think of you), but what will they look like in 10 years? 20 years?

Time will have the final word in this debate - and when that happens the only person who will care (or even remember) about this discussion will be she who has plastic leaking out her arse, a melted shiny face, with gigantism-esque bloated breasts...

[danthepoetman]

Of course, you’re right, loveboof. I don’t advise anyone to do anything that could be harmful to her health, either on short or long term. I hope these ladies can find to be well advised on the matter, by someone who puts the health of his patients first. Of course.

[amberskyi]

i have to agree to a certain extent.we dont live in a fantasy all the time.at some point if not now your going to have to live and interact within a normal society.i dont think girls really think about life after the industry.eventually theres going to have to be an exit strategy and hopefully that would include an education and an job. its going to be pretty hard to blend into society looking like a blow up doll or sex kitten.
this is the same reason i wont stop taking hormones. i know if i blew huge loads i will make more money and have a larger fan base but i have to think about my life outside of the industry.i desire to be passable and blend in because it makes daily life easier.its like awesome that i can blow loads and make money but what is that going to do for me when i cant even go to the grocery store with out being harassed and called names because i have a beard shadow -__-

[celticgrafix]

enhancements no. complete transitions yes. i dont know its hard to tell and judge people on that alone

[danthepoetman]

i have to agree to a certain extent.we dont live in a fantasy all the time.at some point if not now your going to have to live and interact within a normal society.i dont think girls really think about life after the industry.eventually theres going to have to be an exit strategy and hopefully that would include an education and an job. its going to be pretty hard to blend into society looking like a blow up doll or sex kitten.
this is the same reason i wont stop taking hormones. i know if i blew huge loads i will make more money and have a larger fan base but i have to think about my life outside of the industry.i desire to be passable and blend in because it makes daily life easier.its like awesome that i can blow loads and make money but what is that going to do for me when i cant even go to the grocery store with out being harassed and called names because i have a beard shadow -__-

Yes, it must be very difficult to pursue your goal of adjusting your body to your inner sense of self, and making money in the business at the same time, considering what so many men wants from you, and therefore, considering what is required of you in porn. Once again, one can only understand how frustrated you ladies can become at times. It’s one more thing to be added to all the hardships you have to deal with, I suppose. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t have any interest in seeing a t-woman top a guy in any movie; I like the opposite. But of course there is a demand. Yet I can’t find the idea of stopping hormonal therapy to be well advised. It must be quite a dilemma for you ladies.

[onmyknees]

Some of these dudes make me laugh....so your lady comes home one day and tells you she's thought about it for a long time and she'd like your support, but with or without it she's getting her boobs done because it's what she wants. What are ya gonna say..........no? You protesting her decision about her body strikes me as a bit misogynistic.

[amberskyi]

Yes, it must be very difficult to pursue your goal of adjusting your body to your inner sense of self, and making money in the business at the same time, considering what so many men wants from you, and therefore, considering what is required of you in porn. Once again, one can only understand how frustrated you ladies can become at times. It’s one more thing to be added to all the hardships you have to deal with, I suppose. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t have any interest in seeing a t-woman top a guy in any movie; I like the opposite. But of course there is a demand. Yet I can’t find the idea of stopping hormonal therapy to be well advised. It must be quite a dilemma for you ladies.

its not a dilema for me lol.hormones are a necessity.im not going to stop so some guy (who doesnt have to live in my shoes or in my life for any real amount of time) can get the facial he's been dreaming of.ive had clients beg me to get off of hormones.i think its so funny that guys feel like their entitled to even suggest what i should do with my body and future just so they can have a few moments of enjoyment

[celticgrafix]

Some of these dudes make me laugh....so your lady comes home one day and tells you she's thought about it for a long time and she'd like your support, but with or without it she's getting her boobs done because it's what she wants. What are ya gonna say..........no? You protesting her decision about her body strikes me as a bit misogynistic.

hatred of women??? really, bit extreme don't you think? people have their preferences.

[GrimFusion]

Natural or surgical. I don't prefer one to the other necessarily and I'm not trying to play "Barbie Doll" by recommending a girl do "this or that" to look better. I'd sooner just keep my mouth shut about it. The only thing that turns me off is when a chick is so insecure she tries playing into the desires of others just to get attention.

"Should I get bigger boobs?"
I don't know. Do you think you'd like to have bigger tits?

[danthepoetman]

hatred of women??? really, bit extreme don't you think? people have their preferences.
Celticgrafix, misogyny is not pure hatred; and besides, Onmyknees said “a bit” misogynistic. In my opinion, he has a point: what would you say to your own g-girlfriend if she wanted breast implants?

[Merkurie]

To me there is a difference between a professionally done FFS and a hack job silicone pump session. And there is a difference between a skilled plastic surgeon and a quack with an MD and Porsche Turbo payment to meet.

People have the absolute right to do what they want with their bodies, I just hope nobody feels the need to have surgery to satisfy some Hollywood fantasy. I am not even taking about TS women alone. Lots of good looking people have unintentionally turned themselves into characters by accident. The list is long.

I just think the whole country needs to chill a bit on the cosmetic surgery thing.

[celticgrafix]

Celticgrafix, misogyny is not pure hatred; and besides, Onmyknees said “a bit” misogynistic. In my opinion, he has a point: what would you say to your own g-girlfriend if she wanted breast implants?

Misogyny ( /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred or dislike of women or girls.
what did i miss? my ex gf was columbian and got breast implants although i didn't want here to but of course i supported her. Same time these women are doing it for personal reasons and could give a shit what u think.

[danthepoetman]

Misogyny ( /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred or dislike of women or girls.
what did i miss? my ex gf was columbian and got breast implants although i didn't want here to but of course i supported her. Same time these women are doing it for personal reasons and could give a shit what u think.
You irradiate us with the extent of your intelligence, and the argumentative strength of your point, there. We all have to bow in front of such obviously superior intellect and class...

[celticgrafix]

You irradiate us with the extent of your intelligence, and the argumentative strength of your point, there. We all have to bow in front of such obviously superior intellect and class...

I was attempting to be short and concise because I did not want to make you late for your Mensa meeting.

Yo bitch you have a thousand posts since June? Go find a hobby bc you are way to thirsty.

[danthepoetman]

I was attempting to be short and concise because I did not want to make you late for your Mensa meeting.

Yo bitch you have a thousand posts since June? Go find a hobby bc you are way to thirsty.

Oh! once again, what class you have “yo bitch”! You’re undoubtedly the most impressive individual around. Everyone should model himself on you, distinguished gentleman. And yes indeed, you’re being concise enough. By the way, don’t worry about my Mensa meetings: it’s not anything you will have to deal with anyways, isn’t it?

[celticgrafix]

You remind me of an asshole or better yet a douchebag. You try and act so distinguished but you are nothing more than an english major who never had the chance to stick their dick in anything besides a can of creamed corn. I'm not going to the same mensa meetings as you, I assume you aren't either and your grammar alone states that point. You keep taking it in the ass for life, bc I'm the one who's giving it. Post a pic of yourself hotshot? Thats right you're a bitch, nevermind.

[danthepoetman]

You remind me of an asshole or better yet a douchebag. You try and act so distinguished but you are nothing more than an english major who never had the chance to stick their dick in anything besides a can of creamed corn. I'm not going to the same mensa meetings as you, I assume you aren't either and your grammar alone states that point. You keep taking it in the ass for life, bc I'm the one who's giving it. Post a pic of yourself hotshot? Thats right you're a bitch, nevermind.

You're a mediocre little piece of shit who project his own frustration on others, obviously. Every time you post anything, you say much more about yourself than on anything you talk about; but that is something you can't see.

[lickiner]

every guy ive been with has been more than satisfied with my natural breast.most said they preferred it to implants because my tits feel like how a normal chicks breast would feel.ive even had guys beg for me to not do that to myself, like i was going to be butchered or something if i got implants lol

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=502776&stc=1&d=1347209942



Very appealing boobage Amber! :)

[GrimFusion]

Misogyny ( /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred or dislike of women or girls.
what did i miss? my ex gf was columbian and got breast implants although i didn't want here to but of course i supported her. Same time these women are doing it for personal reasons and could give a shit what u think.

Misogyny can manifest in a variety of ways. If you took the time to look up the definition of the word along with it's pronunciation, it's not real likely that you skipped the part that qualifies sexual objectification. Onmyknees had a completely valid point and I don't think he overemphasized it. If men feel so strongly about the physical aspects of the women they're with as to prevent them from changing something to feel more comfortable, that is misogyny because what they're essentially expressing is that if their women don't fit a certain standard, they'd rather find another woman who does.

Dan... a little overboard, man. A little overboard.

[celticgrafix]

You're a mediocre little piece of shit who project his own frustration on others, obviously. Every time you post anything, you say much more about yourself than on anything you talk about; but that is something you can't see.

Danny boy you have more posts in 3 months than i have since 2006. I feel for you bud, desperation is a humbling experience and wish you the best

[christianxxx]

I think Christian and Danthepoet are being quite shortsighted.

Some of those high earning escorts / porn stars may be fulfilling a fantasy now (which as I said before is all about what others think of you), but what will they look like in 10 years? 20 years?

Time will have the final word in this debate - and when that happens the only person who will care (or even remember) about this discussion will be she who has plastic leaking out her arse, a melted shiny face, with gigantism-esque bloated breasts...

did you just say that I am being "short-sighted" because they MIGHT not like what they look like "10-20 YEARS" from now? are you fucking serious? lol - i love irony

[danthepoetman]

Misogyny can manifest in a variety of ways. If you took the time to look up the definition of the word along with it's pronunciation, it's not real likely that you skipped the part that qualifies sexual objectification. Onmyknees had a completely valid point and I don't think he overemphasized it. If men feel so strongly about the physical aspects of the women they're with as to prevent them from changing something to feel more comfortable, that is misogyny because what they're essentially expressing is that if their women don't fit a certain standard, they'd rather find another woman who does.

Dan... a little overboard, man. A little overboard.
No, I agree with Onmyknees! And as you’re saying, it’s about the feeling of self-confidence a woman has. And every bit as much should we support a g-woman in the surgical processes she chooses to go through (as long as it remains in the realm of good reason), as much we should support a t-woman who feel the need to go through some surgery herself. The comparison is valid and adequate. To me, confidence is beauty, most of the time, when it comes to femininity: women have what’s necessary to be beautiful in general; the rest is within themselves, I find.


Danny boy you have more posts in 3 months than i have since 2006. I feel for you bud, desperation is a humbling experience and wish you the best
Once again, you’re talking about yourself, not about me; I’m old enough to be your father, you chump, and the number of my posts won’t reveal anything to you about me unless you make some interpretations. You’re talking about your poor, miserable self…

[TSPornFan]

Danny boy you have more posts in 3 months than i have since 2006. I feel for you bud, desperation is a humbling experience and wish you the best

I hate ignorant comments like this. Who cares if someone has a lot of posts? People can still have a life and be active on a forum. You clearly see some TS pornstars are here everyday and no one is telling them to get a life.

[JenniferParisHusband]

every guy ive been with has been more than satisfied with my natural breast.most said they preferred it to implants because my tits feel like how a normal chicks breast would feel.ive even had guys beg for me to not do that to myself, like i was going to be butchered or something if i got implants lol

Those are very nice. And I agree. Please keep em natural! They're awesome as is.

[loveboof]

did you just say that I am being "short-sighted" because they MIGHT not like what they look like "10-20 YEARS" from now? are you fucking serious? lol - i love irony

I assume that you think ten years is a long time?

'Short-sighted' is an expression which can simply mean you're not considering all aspects of a situation; but also more specifically about unforeseen or disregarded consequences for the future...

My 'ten years' was just an arbitrary amount of time. It is obviously going to be relative as to whether this is considered a short amount of time or not (I think it is a fairly short amount of time when considering life changing issues), but your views can still be short-sighted regardless of the amount of time.

The point was, as other more perceptive people have picked up on, that being a 'fantasy woman' may not be as appealing in the future for these girls as it is whilst they are porn stars and hookers. They are mostly still young people, and they have drastically altered their bodies ... Is it shortsighted to disregard how they may feel about their bodies as they get older? yes.

[lickiner]

Just as comparison, I MUCH prefer (on a gg or a tg) the boobies on the girl with the green-top over the "half-cantaloupe-like" boobies on the girl in white-top. I once was the first guy a gal had dated following her boob-job of which she was soooo proud ...I didn't have the heart to tell her they were overly huge and hard as a rock. For me the enhanced boobies do nothing for me.

:2cent Just me thinking out-loud again...

[FootConnoisseur]

I myself love when they get implants, huge turn on for me.

[Ryz]

Waaaaah dont get breast implants waaaaaaaah don't get your hips done waaaaaah dont get srs

[Ryz]

http://www.city-data.com/forum/members/gallowscalibrator-129085-albums-funny-images-pic46786-bawwwwww.jpg

[Willie Escalade]

This thread has me thinking about the reaction to Hazel Tucker getting her breasts done...as long as she's happy, that's all that matters.

HOWEVER...and some might not like me saying this...

Some girls do go overboard with the surgery. Yes, I know it's how THEY feel they should look. But in the end, the clientele/fans DO have a hand in how faw their career in the industry will progress. If the fan doesn't like what they see, they won't support the model anymore.

[GrimFusion]

This thread has me thinking about the reaction to Hazel Tucker getting her breasts done...as long as she's happy, that's all that matters.

HOWEVER...and some might not like me saying this...

Some girls do go overboard with the surgery. Yes, I know it's how THEY feel they should look. But in the end, the clientele/fans DO have a hand in how faw their career in the industry will progress. If the fan doesn't like what they see, they won't support the model anymore.

That's a reality that they get to deal with, though. You could say the same thing about all these teenagers and twenty-somethings these days that get tattoos all over their bodies and holes in their faces then complain about not being able to find a job. I just don't see how it's my place to try to dissuade a chick from a myriad of plastic surgeries when dumb common sense hasn't worked. I think it just goes to show that they're motivated enough to disregard common sense and further discouragement would only lead to conflict of opinion.

[christianxxx]

again you guys don't understand the difference between vocal minority and majority. LISTEN UP - FAKE BOOBS AND SURGERIES MAKE GIRLS MORE MONEY IN LIFE IN ALL FACETS OF LIFE. You can argue all you want, that is a fact and will always be a fact.

[danthepoetman]

I guess the problem is pretty much circumscribed now. Girls are pulled between their need to have a body fitting their deep feeling of self and ideal, and the necessities and demands of the business. I think it’s probably the spirit in which Franklin asked the question: as fans, are we turned on or off by a lot of surgery? Although I also find that sometimes it is a bit extreme, I never felt repulsed by it in porn, on the contrary. It probably would be different if the lady was my life partner, but porn is a business after all, as Christian is insisting on.

[loveboof]

LISTEN UP - FAKE BOOBS AND SURGERIES MAKE GIRLS MORE MONEY IN LIFE

So money is the most important thing in life?

Again, you're representing the most short-sighted / shallow perspective on the issue.

[christianxxx]

ok here we go - so I guess you live in the woods in a pup tent drinking rain water and eating wild mushrooms. its 2012 - girls are in porno or escorting to MAKE MONEY. if you are going to earn money you try to earn the MOST money you possibly can. Couple that with wanting to look as good as possible to the most people and there you have it.

You can not win this argument because its factually incorrect on your part. You can call people short sighted and shallow all you want, but that's reality. Get that through your thick skull

[loveboof]

factually incorrect on your part.

What is my part, and how is it factually incorrect?

I have not explicitly stated what I think about this issue, but have rather highlighted certain areas which I think are compelling.

Personally I don't have a problem with girls getting whatever they want done. On the whole I prefer real boobs (on girls), but sometimes fake boobs do just look better for certain girls. T-girls are a bit of a different story because they can't all get nice boobs from hormones; and as they want to feel like women, breasts are important for them (along with other feminine features).

What I dislike are the extremes. And Kimber (et al) are borderline right now imo. You talk about majorities, but I feel confident that more people of all ages, genders, and cultural backgrounds (i.e not just young men, or the porn community) will agree with me...

Then consider that Kimber is still very young! It is particularly short-sighted to ignore the effect of these surgeries on her appearance, health, and life style as she gets older.

She has already started down the road of extremes. In 10 or 20 years (yes! shocking that people can live that long) she will be left with no other choice but to maintain that cometic surgery compulsion. I don't think this is healthy - physically or mentally. [edit: In fact I know it is not]

[GrimFusion]

ok here we go - so I guess you live in the woods in a pup tent drinking rain water and eating wild mushrooms. its 2012 - girls are in porno or escorting to MAKE MONEY. if you are going to earn money you try to earn the MOST money you possibly can. Couple that with wanting to look as good as possible to the most people and there you have it.

You can not win this argument because its factually incorrect on your part. You can call people short sighted and shallow all you want, but that's reality. Get that through your thick skull

I agree with Christian here. Idealistically, escorts wouldn't feel a need to get plastic surgery just to bring in more clients, but it happens and it works. There's a very split opinion on the matter, but why not get G-cup breast implants if it's going to bring in more clientele? Nearly every escort has the intention of leaving the scene within a decade anyway. It doesn't always happen, but that's usually the idea. Twenty years down the road when those G-cups start looking kinda funny, there's no reason to impress people if they aren't still operating escorts and augmentation/reduction are still options, so why worry? There's a lot of girls that avoid surgeries for quick cash, and even more that detest the idea of going under the knife entirely.

[christianxxx]

i guess it comes down to would you trade 300-500k a year, traveling the world, not having a boss, and working when you want for 2-10 years with the possible long term mental/physical effects of the surgeries you got in order to get there. I know my answer. I guess yours is different.

[Remy757Photog]

i guess it comes down to would you trade 300-500k a year, traveling the world, not having a boss, and working when you want for 2-10 years with the possible long term mental/physical effects of the surgeries you got in order to get there. I know my answer. I guess yours is different.

Holy cow and batwings! If those girls are making 300-500k a year, I'm getting in the game for one year taking the money, investing it wisely and sitting back on my laurels not continuing for 10 years lol

[loveboof]

I know my answer.

Yeah, well don't feel too bad. There is a reason why you're a porn star... lol

If your brain was your most impressive organ you might have gone into another line of work :)

[danthepoetman]

Holy cow and batwings! If those girls are making 300-500k a year, I'm getting in the game for one year taking the money, investing it wisely and sitting back on my laurels not continuing for 10 years lol
You’re right, Remy, I think it’s precisely the point: one year would be great, but imagine five, or 8, or 10! It’s a lot of dough we’re talking about… ;)


Yeah, well don't feel too bad. There is a reason why you're a porn star... lol

If your brain was your most impressive organ you might have gone into another line of work :)
Loveboof, come on! Christian has a point! Why being so rude? Some people think business; it’s a defendable choice. Might be risky under certain conditions, you’re right, but with some precautions, very defendable. There’s nothing brainless there…

[bluerose]

@amberskyi: O.O ....you have very very nice breasts. And now I'm very distracted. ^.^

Some girls I know got implants, and love them..except when they climb and they get in the way. Some didn't like them at all after and expressed regret that they got them at all.

I'm not getting any, but that's me. Also, that requires money, which is something I don't have any of. ^_^;

I second the sentiment that it's a personal choice and for some, they feel the need to so as to pass better. I'm a bit lucky in that regard, I guess; no body hair and almost no face hair to start out with. But at the start, just like most other girls, the constant fear of not passing and getting harassed by people was very much present.

[robertlouis]

its not a dilema for me lol.hormones are a necessity.im not going to stop so some guy (who doesnt have to live in my shoes or in my life for any real amount of time) can get the facial he's been dreaming of.ive had clients beg me to get off of hormones.i think its so funny that guys feel like their entitled to even suggest what i should do with my body and future just so they can have a few moments of enjoyment

:iagree: That's the chaser mentality in a nutshell, Amber. Too many guys either can't or won't accept that that is what they are. Any relationship or indeed any form of human interaction has to be founded on respect for the other person. Without that it's worthless.

[Cecil Rhodes]

I hate ignorant comments like this. Who cares if someone has a lot of posts? People can still have a life and be active on a forum. You clearly see some TS pornstars are here everyday and no one is telling them to get a life.

It is not another life you need, but could you please get another signature pic ?

[Cecil Rhodes]

I will take the pro-Kimber James and the like position here. You guys have to remember that you guys and this thread is the vocal minority opinion.

Kimber is a professional escort. guys tend to hire escorts to fulfill a fantasy. That fantasy is almost always huge tits, huge ass, big lips, etc etc. In order to get that look, many surgeries are involved. those surgeries aren't cheap. So the more surgeries you get, the more you look like a fantasy, so the more money you make, so you can then get more surgeries. its like a ball rolling downhill.

so what libby said is 100 percent true. she and every TS (and every GG) has a vision in her mind of what she ideally wants to look like, and the only way to accomplish this is thru surgery.

BTW - I have always found Libby attractive not only bc of her looks, but her personality makes her extremely appealing. Just saying.

if you asked me what 3 girls make the most money from clients in this world - I would say Jennifer Paris - Kimber - and Ana Mancini - notice a theme there?

YES I do notice a theme and if a say anything i might get a warning from seanchai .

[christianxxx]

Holy cow and batwings! If those girls are making 300-500k a year, I'm getting in the game for one year taking the money, investing it wisely and sitting back on my laurels not continuing for 10 years lol

remember getting paid cash is not taxable and thus whatever you make is virtually doubled my friend.

[christianxxx]

Yeah, well don't feel too bad. There is a reason why you're a porn star... lol

If your brain was your most impressive organ you might have gone into another line of work :)

except that I have not one but two B.A.'s in History and Education from the University of Texas - San Antonio. I was a HS teacher for 4 years before I got into this business.

I got into "this line of work" because I realized that I was handed a lottery ticket where I could make 150k a year for the past 10 years, not have a boss, get laid every day, travel the world, and create a better future for myself.

If you think you are smarter and in a better situation than me, prove it...or don't - you strike me a guy that is too much of a pussy to do anything other than just whine, bitch, and moan.

[LibertyHarkness]

I will take the pro-Kimber James and the like position here. You guys have to remember that you guys and this thread is the vocal minority opinion.

Kimber is a professional escort. guys tend to hire escorts to fulfill a fantasy. That fantasy is almost always huge tits, huge ass, big lips, etc etc. In order to get that look, many surgeries are involved. those surgeries aren't cheap. So the more surgeries you get, the more you look like a fantasy, so the more money you make, so you can then get more surgeries. its like a ball rolling downhill.

so what libby said is 100 percent true. she and every TS (and every GG) has a vision in her mind of what she ideally wants to look like, and the only way to accomplish this is thru surgery.

BTW - I have always found Libby attractive not only bc of her looks, but her personality makes her extremely appealing. Just saying.

if you asked me what 3 girls make the most money from clients in this world - I would say Jennifer Paris - Kimber - and Ana Mancini - notice a theme there?



Why thanks big fella most kind to say xxx actually christian I would add sammi valentine on that list as well ....well here in england anyway .. but then perhaps our escorting runs differently to the usa ...

Correct I have a very clear cut end game vision of how I will look once i finsh with my remaining face tweaks, body sculpting etc ...i think alot of sensible minded girls, and especially girls with a strategem know this ..

[tsadriana]

Interesteng this thread.I think girls are beautiful with surgeries or not ....I will go for face surgerrie after my 40,s till then im extremly happy with my look.

[DL_NL]

As long as they're happy with their own body...

[loveboof]

except that I have not one but two B.A.'s in History and Education from the University of Texas - San Antonio. I was a HS teacher for 4 years before I got into this business.

I got into "this line of work" because I realized that I was handed a lottery ticket where I could make 150k a year for the past 10 years, not have a boss, get laid every day, travel the world, and create a better future for myself.

If you think you are smarter and in a better situation than me, prove it...or don't - you strike me a guy that is too much of a pussy to do anything other than just whine, bitch, and moan.
lol. I never said that I thought you were particularly dumb - just that you made your choice (like you said yourself). You went with your dick.

I don't see any benefits to proving anything about myself on here. As it happens I do think I am smarter than you and I don't care how many BA's you have... Until you start saying some smarter stuff my opinion won't change on that.

As to the 'better situation', I couldn't say. I don't know enough about you.

I don't care if you think I'm a pussy; you don't care what I think about you. It's pretty even.

[onmyknees]

[QUOTE=danthepoetman;1196304]No, I agree with Onmyknees! And as you’re saying, it’s about the feeling of self-confidence a woman has. And every bit as much should we support a g-woman in the surgical processes she chooses to go through (as long as it remains in the realm of good reason), as much we should support a t-woman who feel the need to go through some surgery herself. The comparison is valid and adequate. To me, confidence is beauty, most of the time, when it comes to femininity: women have what’s necessary to be beautiful in general; the rest is within themselves, I find.


I think you me and Grim are fairly close in agreement. The context of "misogyny" I wanted to convey in response to the dude was more of a distrust or condescending attitude toward woman. I don't know too many misogynists who hate women despite the Webster's definition. The dude may not have intended to come off that way, but it sounded like it. I appreciate your and Grim's interpretation of what I was sayin'

[danthepoetman]

Yes, I think we most definitely are in agreement. You’re also right: I don’t think the guy wanted to come off that hard and I indeed probably overreacted.

[asianphoenixx]

again you guys don't understand the difference between vocal minority and majority. LISTEN UP - FAKE BOOBS AND SURGERIES MAKE GIRLS MORE MONEY IN LIFE IN ALL FACETS OF LIFE. You can argue all you want, that is a fact and will always be a fact.

poor me. Please send me some men.....i'm poor and hungry...:praying:

I was in Dubai when Kimber was there too. Ask the Dubai's men who were busier, me or her?