How many TS want a bottom dude

[FreddieGomez]

I know of several TS who are only tops for clients and are bottoms for their bf's in their personal lives.

My question is though, how many TS want to date a dude who is a bottom?

Or do you prefer to keep them as tricks?

[LibertyHarkness]

never ..

[Dino Velvet]

There are a few gals here who look good and feminine who are top-only, no? They frustrate me but they exist. I whine it does no good. To each their own I guess.

[danthepoetman]

I don’t want to know about this…

[Willie Escalade]

I know three girls like that...

[hwbs]

top only is a myth lol .....i would say for me about 95 percent of girls i dated like vers guys ....but more than the actual sex acts is being an open minded individual....and im glad the ones i dated were tops with clients so it would be nice and tight for me !!!

[Erika1487]

My question is though, how many TS want to date a dude who is a bottom? I love to top, but doubt if a pure bottom would work for dating. Why date a bottom dude when I can :fuckin: my dyke friends :shrug:

[Westheangelino]

The idea that someone is purely top or purely bottom is a little ridiculous to me. Such folks are out there, no doubt. Some people just plain do not like to get fucked in the ass or vice versa. However, just from my own experience from putting up CL ads looking to bottom, I can tell you that there are a lot more top girls than people think.

[Donkey]

I know a gorgeous petite Asian TS in LA who is 100% passable and also 100% top in her personal life. They're out there.

[amberskyi]

ewww...an all bottom dude kinda repulses me (no offence).i dont really think i would be into a fully verse guy either.
my ideal man is a top who is okay with playing with my penis and open to the possibility of bottoming every once in awhile (i really wouldnt be into it being a regular thing)

[Jackal]

What do you think of guys who don't like anal much in general (as top, vers or btm)?

[TempestTS]

ewwww hairy man butt

If I want a bottom its going to be another smoking hot TS or a GG...

Not to mention bottom guys are just so whiny and needy, sure they are great for scrubbing the kitchen floor and doing the general washing up chores that I dont like to do but if you give them a moment to themselves the next thing you know their pants are down around their ankles and they are begging to be buggered six ways to sunday... Ewww... this is why I keep a sturdy chain around a tree in the back yard...

[Westheangelino]

Tempest.....that sounds like a great arrangement

[TempestTS]

Tempest.....that sounds like a great arrangement


See what I mean... Great I shouldnt have opened my mouth, now Ill have bottoms lined up around the block waiting to be my slave by morning ... LOL

[Westheangelino]

Pretty much

[Willie Escalade]

I know a gorgeous petite Asian TS in LA who is 100% passable and also 100% top in her personal life. They're out there.
I think I know her too...:ignore:

[giovanni_hotel]

Are you telling on yourself Freddie??

[FreddieGomez]

Are you telling on yourself Freddie??

No.

If you know me, you already know how i feel about this topic.

I was just asking because it seems alot of these dudes think all TS just want to be tops.

There appears to be alot of ignorance among TS attracted men.

I was hoping to dispel the fantasy.

[Baileyluv]

Why would you be lead to believe that another gurl wants a sissy? yes we all know most bottom types to be just this.

I have found that most gurls want a man, not a gay man and not a sissy, well there are the rare few, it still leaves me to believe.

Woman want a man, period, but just like men wanting a freak in the sheets and a lady on the streets.

Now sex play in a relationship well... but dating most want the proper rolls filled.


masculine, but knowing your feminine side? make sense?

[Westheangelino]

It takes a real man to take a huge cock up the ass

[freedom]

It takes a real man to take a huge cock up the ass

Amen brother!

But seriously, each to their own. Some boys and some girls like to be tops or bottoms or both. Que sera sera...

I've only ever been top with TS girls but if I met a girl who wanted to switch then "sure lets do it". In a long term relationship being vers is probably a good thing, to keep things interesting ;)

[terrygrooby]

ewwww hairy man butt

If I want a bottom its going to be another smoking hot TS or a GG...

Not to mention bottom guys are just so whiny and needy, sure they are great for scrubbing the kitchen floor and doing the general washing up chores that I dont like to do but if you give them a moment to themselves the next thing you know their pants are down around their ankles and they are begging to be buggered six ways to sunday... Ewww... this is why I keep a sturdy chain around a tree in the back yard...

Did you throw up too while writing this ?

[TempestTS]

Did you throw up too while writing this ?


Maybe a little bit in my mouth... when i first typed the words... "hairy man butt" Errwwwpp there it just happened again

This is why I can only top guys in domination scenes where I get to destroy them and make them cry a little first

[terrygrooby]

yeah, ok. Sounded like those non assumed gays who keep saying "fucking fag" every 3 minutes.

[Dino Velvet]

Maybe a little bit in my mouth... when i first typed the words... "hairy man butt" Errwwwpp there it just happened again

This is why I can only top guys in domination scenes where I get to destroy them and make them cry a little first

You must really blast them if you find corn on your wiener.

[Nikka]

not me

[Dino Velvet]

For those ladies here who escort, I feel sorry for you when a fella walks in your house wanting to get railed up his butt. All that mystery and filth you must have to push through to ring his little tinkerbell.

[jamiethewild]

Maybe a little bit in my mouth... when i first typed the words... "hairy man butt" Errwwwpp there it just happened again

This is why I can only top guys in domination scenes where I get to destroy them and make them cry a little first

Lmao those aren't men/guys those are wanna be bitches lol

[BellaBellucci]

Pass.

~BB~

[danthepoetman]

I can’t possibly even understand why any guy would want to be fucked, but especially by a beautiful girl! It seems so contradictory to me! I see femininity, it inspire me to take it, not to be taken by it.
But I don’t want to offend anyone, of course. We now live in a wonderfully diversified world! I find that everybody is entitled to his or her desires. Labels seem useless to me in this day and age, and we should all live our sexuality as we feel, and love whom we want to love the way we want to love them.

[Ryz]

Negative, and judgmental thread.

[Ben]

But say the "bottom dude" has a pint-sized penis. I mean, I'm far from being endowed. So, does penis size come into play? I mean, can a T-girl be satisfied by a 3 inch penis or would a TS want a sizable schlong like Mint's monster?
Or, well, is average size -- circa 5.5 inches -- satisfactory???????
I'm a size queen so...

[sensuelle]

But say the "bottom dude" has a pint-sized penis. I mean, I'm far from being endowed. So, does penis size come into play? I mean, can a T-girl be satisfied by a 3 inch penis or would a TS want a sizable schlong like Mint's monster?
Or, well, is average size -- circa 5.5 inches -- satisfactory???????
I'm a size queen so...

It is more about width then about length:P

[bluerose]

*shrug* I'm 100% switchy, but I also only like girls. With or without cocks. ^.^

[qwerty94]

hmmmm... now, and even before I went post op, I preferred a top guy... I topped about two times as a pre-op. it felt nice, but it was awkward

[Dino Velvet]

hmmmm... now, and even before I went post op, I preferred a top guy... I topped about two times as a pre-op. it felt nice, but it was awkward

Seems unusual for a fella to see a little, petite gal as yourself but would rather be the elegant lady in bed himself instead of putting you in that position. The dominant fellas should be going after you as opposed to the other segment trying to back into you.

"It felt nice", you mentioned. In delving into all that mess, would you have rather just used your hand or were you caught up in the moment as well? Awkward seems polite.

[GrimFusion]

I'm not trying to insult male bottoms and power-bottoms, but I don't get it. It seems to me that most of them are cock bandits and size queens, so why go after transsexuals anyway? Hormones usually work against a bottom's sexual interests. Seems to me (at least in part) that admirers who bottom in bed want some cock, but don't want to be labeled gay. Somehow, getting ass-rammed by a chick with a nice pair of tits and a pretty face makes everything straight. Maybe it's just a fetish thing. I wouldn't know.

[Lovecox]

I'm not trying to insult male bottoms and power-bottoms, but I don't get it. It seems to me that most of them are cock bandits and size queens, so why go after transsexuals anyway? Hormones usually work against a bottom's sexual interests. Seems to me (at least in part) that admirers who bottom in bed want some cock, but don't want to be labeled gay. Somehow, getting ass-rammed by a chick with a nice pair of tits and a pretty face makes everything straight. Maybe it's just a fetish thing. I wouldn't know.

If you're not trying to insult male bottoms and power-bottoms why do you call them cock bandits and size queens? Not exactly kind terms. Maybe it's hard for you to understand that someone could have different interests than you. Maybe there are men that don't like the male physique but enjoy the physical pleasure of being penetrated.
I have noted that often times, men that secretly desire to be topped take the defensive stance against men who are honest about wanting to be topped, often insulting them and making sure no one doubts their own masculinity. I'm not reffering to you, of course.

[Lovecox]

I can’t possibly even understand why any guy would want to be fucked, but especially by a beautiful girl! It seems so contradictory to me! I see femininity, it inspire me to take it, not to be taken by it.
But I don’t want to offend anyone, of course. We now live in a wonderfully diversified world! I find that everybody is entitled to his or her desires. Labels seem useless to me in this day and age, and we should all live our sexuality as we feel, and love whom we want to love the way we want to love them.

I can't possibly even understand why any guy would NOT want to be fucked, especially by a beautiful girl. I see femininity, it isnpireS me to take it, AND be taken by it.

[danthepoetman]

I respect you, Lovecox, even though I don’t share your feeling! :)

[onmyknees]

But say the "bottom dude" has a pint-sized penis. I mean, I'm far from being endowed. So, does penis size come into play? I mean, can a T-girl be satisfied by a 3 inch penis or would a TS want a sizable schlong like Mint's monster?
Or, well, is average size -- circa 5.5 inches -- satisfactory???????
I'm a size queen so...

Ben...you bust me up ! :) You'll figure out a way to slide in a mint referrence on every thread !

[Dino Velvet]

delete

[jamiethewild]

For those ladies here who escort, I feel sorry for you when a fella walks in your house wanting to get railed up his butt. All that mystery and filth you must have to push through to ring his little tinkerbell.
haha "his little tinkerbell" , sometimes i just want to gag and throw up to show them how disgusted i am , but some have the audacity to smell like cheese non hygienic fuckin gross thats good thou because i could used that as an exude and make them feel bad and leave my donation ...

[Dino Velvet]

haha "his little tinkerbell" , sometimes i just want to gag and throw up to show them how disgusted i am , but some have the audacity to smell like cheese non hygienic fuckin gross thats good thou because i could used that as an exude and make them feel bad and leave my donation ...

I'd love to watch you put the badmouth on those fellas. You must chew their ass out good.

Redd Foxx - Wash Your Ass - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uldt6Y-CE3s)

[jamiethewild]

I'd love to watch you put the badmouth on those fellas. You must chew their ass out good.

Redd Foxx - Wash Your Ass - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uldt6Y-CE3s)

screw their ass? ''

hahahahaha this video hilarious :dead:

[terrygrooby]

Pretty surprising to see that for people who are TS or are into TS, a lot of you have a very limited understanding in the fact that some people like different things and are even insulting towards those people with different tastes.

Let's put a thread "How many men want a tranny girl" on a "straight" forum and see what would you say when you see how they talk about Ts and men who like them.

[Donkey]

I've got a pretty big cock and on numerous occasions I've had ts girls, who were known to be bottoms, ask to top me because they did not want to try to take my cock, but still wanted to have sex. I think a lot of ts girls really like topping if it's their idea and they are secure in the fact that the guy is masculine and not begging to be fucked.

[Ryz]

I'm not trying to insult male bottoms and power-bottoms, but I don't get it. It seems to me that most of them are cock bandits and size queens, so why go after transsexuals anyway? Hormones usually work against a bottom's sexual interests. Seems to me (at least in part) that admirers who bottom in bed want some cock, but don't want to be labeled gay. Somehow, getting ass-rammed by a chick with a nice pair of tits and a pretty face makes everything straight. Maybe it's just a fetish thing. I wouldn't know.

If a Gay man only tops, and doesn't get fucked in the ass. Does that make him straight? Nice logic dude.

[danthepoetman]

You have a real good point there, Ryz. I understand GrimFusion’s reaction, though, I have the same immediate feeling. It’s to show once again that today, nobody can pretend to be the one to draw the line anymore on labels: we should just get rid of them altogether…

[Westheangelino]

I'm not trying to insult male bottoms and power-bottoms, but I don't get it. It seems to me that most of them are cock bandits and size queens, so why go after transsexuals anyway? Hormones usually work against a bottom's sexual interests. Seems to me (at least in part) that admirers who bottom in bed want some cock, but don't want to be labeled gay. Somehow, getting ass-rammed by a chick with a nice pair of tits and a pretty face makes everything straight. Maybe it's just a fetish thing. I wouldn't know.

Not to insult "tops" but using your logic why fuck a tgirl? Why on earth would you chase after someone with a penis to fuck them when you can fuck a gg? And don't give me this bullshit about "tgirls evoke femininity! they are the ultimate women!' Theyhave a dick, dude! Use it!

[James Scott]

Let's put a thread "How many men want a tranny girl" on a "straight" forum and see what would you say when you see how they talk about Ts and men who like them.


If a Gay man only tops, and doesn't get fucked in the ass. Does that make him straight?


Not to insult "tops" but using your logic why fuck a tgirl? Why on earth would you chase after someone with a penis to fuck them when you can fuck a gg?

All three really good counter arguments that I've been pondering a lot lately.

[LibertyHarkness]

i would never top a man in my own life .. to me its just something that i have no interest or sexual interest in doing ... i have done it in a couple of porn shoots , infact i have topped men twice in the last 3 years ..each scene took hours upon hours to shoot as i had to keep running off every 1min to get hard to fuck them lol

Escorting i top dudes occassionly , again i have to concentrate very hard and detach my mind from what is infront of me and think of something that turns me on so i can smash them for abit ...

But then i am not really into men fullstop ..i like being fucked , or the feeling of being fucked, so i equally enjoy a female fucking me , or a guy .. but ultimately the only thing i really like sticking my cock inside is a vagina , and even that is something i can take or leave ...

I am not even really that interested in having my cock sucked .. its not like i am going to cum from it .. i have only ever cum from 3 blowjobs in my life .. for me with me men i like being kissed, rimmed and fucked , but as my cock is so fucked anyway with being soft/hard haha , i dont really care for it ...

But i wouldnt be able to date a bottom dude , just isnt going to work . i have nothing against them , you like what you like , each to their own .

[BrendaTG]

my question was...how many guys are interested in a totally submissive t-girl..
close to zero...

mostly only straight guys seek out those girls and wont deal with TS

[BrendaTG]

Not to insult "tops" but using your logic why fuck a tgirl? Why on earth would you chase after someone with a penis to fuck them when you can fuck a gg? And don't give me this bullshit about "tgirls evoke femininity! they are the ultimate women!' Theyhave a dick, dude! Use it!

a lot of us are woman who think YOU are most definetely gay queen pussy etc.

Most of us feel like woman and desire real men !!!

dont insult and bother us with.your gay fantasies

[BrendaTG]

grimfusion is very right.....
why chase a TS if what you really want.is a functional TV...

chase a gg who wants to top you...
but dont bother a TS with your gay fantasies...its hard enough for most of us to find a decent man that wants and accepts us for who we are...

and the guys that try and tell me they are not gay.? well...im not crazy...im experienced...

from your picture i would even instantly read you as a homosexual...

so.much for the passability of t-lovers lol

[terrygrooby]

grimfusion is very right.....
why chase a TS if what you really want.is a functional TV...

chase a gg who wants to top you...
but dont bother a TS with your gay fantasies...its hard enough for most of us to find a decent man that wants and accepts us for who we are...

and the guys that try and tell me they are not gay.? well...im not crazy...im experienced...

from your picture i would even instantly read you as a homosexual...

so.much for the passability of t-lovers lol

So you're saying that there is no TS who like to top guys ?

[jamiethewild]

a lot of us are woman who think YOU are most definetely gay queen pussy etc.

Most of us feel like woman and desire real men !!!

dont insult and bother us with.your gay fantasies


grimfusion is very right.....
why chase a TS if what you really want.is a functional TV...

chase a gg who wants to top you...
but dont bother a TS with your gay fantasies...its hard enough for most of us to find a decent man that wants and accepts us for who we are...

and the guys that try and tell me they are not gay.? well...im not crazy...im experienced...

from your picture i would even instantly read you as a homosexual...

so.much for the passability of t-lovers lol

hahahaha GIRL couldn't of say it any better ,with all my respect bottom bitches hahaha

see some bottoms also just think just cuz we have a cock is meant to be used well not all us want to used it see that's were their wrong and don't see variety just a fetish ...
:yayo:

i desire real mean

i desire to have a pussy

if i was a straight gg i would most likely date a homophobic LOL

[amberskyi]

Not to insult "tops" but using your logic why fuck a tgirl? Why on earth would you chase after someone with a penis to fuck them when you can fuck a gg? And don't give me this bullshit about "tgirls evoke femininity! they are the ultimate women!' Theyhave a dick, dude! Use it!

see thats chaser mentality right there.that trans girls are only as good as their penis.
luckily there are guys out there that see us woman regardless of whats between our legs and treat us accordingly.i dont know why its so surprising to you guys that woman want to be treated like woman **gasp**.
step outside of your porn driven fantasy world and realize alot of what you see here and in the adult industry isnt a real reflection of our desires and motivations. youve heard it here from the girls mouths directly.they only top for money.outside of the industry in their normal lives they prefer to be treated like a girl, not some hard cock shemale bent on prolapsing dudes.

[loveboof]

if i was a straight gg i would most likely date a homophobic LOL
Sounds like you have issues...

[jamiethewild]

Sounds like you have issues...

its a joke !

[Ryz]

Sounds like you have issues...

Most likely has to do with self hatred, and such

[LibertyHarkness]

lol :)

[loveboof]

its a joke !

I know.

[terrygrooby]

they only top for money.outside of the industry in their normal lives they prefer to be treated like a girl, not some hard cock shemale bent on prolapsing dudes.

No, you're wrong. Outside the escort and porn world, there are girls, who loves to top and some are even strictly top, some who love to fuck GG, some who love to fuck TS, some who loves to fuck very masculine guys, some who loves to fuck feminine boys, etc, etc, etc...There is everything but in totally different proportion than in porn, i agree.

I've met more than 1 TS who hated the fact that i'm only top and i couldn't date the best girl in the world because she is one of the few strictly top.

And trust me, you don't have to be a TS to be reduce to a penis. Being a top + being big = the same.

[amberskyi]

No, you're wrong. Outside the escort and porn world, there are girls, who loves to top and some are even strictly top, some who love to fuck GG, some who love to fuck TS, some who loves to fuck very masculine guys, some who loves to fuck feminine boys, etc, etc, etc...There is everything but in totally different proportion than in porn, i agree.

I've met more than 1 TS who hated the fact that i'm only top and i couldn't date the best girl in the world because she is one of the few strictly top.

And trust me, you don't have to be a TS to be reduce to a penis. Being a top + being big = the same.

im not saying those girls dont exist but the majority of the girls i know are bottom or verse.i recently thought i had atleast one top only friend until i found out that shes been getting fucked primarily by her "boyfriend" and that the whole top only thing is just a persona for business.
also im sorry but when a guy says that theres no point of dealing with a ts who doesnt top or use her penis and why not just go after a gg than its hard to see him as anything but a chaser.its not about the fact that she is an attractive woman but instead shes just an extension of the persons homosexual desires to play with cock.

[terrygrooby]

im not saying those girls dont exist but the majority of the girls i know are bottom or verse.


Yes. At least from my own experience, i've know a majority of bottom or verse(who prefer to bottom). And off course i had to fall in love with one of the few strictly tops...

But regardless if we are talking Ts or guys, bottoms are in general very demanding, they hardly take a no for answer and they can be extremely insisting.

[nina_lisa]

Big Majority of guys that hire escorts want to be topped.

When i am in the bedroom and see pictures of his wife of the wall, i feel sorry for the wife. How many would dare to go to their wives and say: i enjoy taking it from behind?

[nina_lisa]

There are men that love to be fucked with strapon, a friend of mine once put an ad on craiglist for the sake of trolling, you wouldn't believe how many men begged to be topped.

As far as i am concerned it is not illegal for a man to be fucked in the ass, who care what label it makes him.

More the problem is many men interested in ts live in a fantasy world that only exist in their own imagination, or shall i say a bubble?

Like a friend of me say: we spend $20k-$30k on the surgery, for many of us it take us 10-15 years to save that amount of money, yet men couldn't find any other compliment to say to us other than: nice cock.

I get so many emails: I want to be your slave, dominate me, force me to suck you, fuck me as much as you want.
Followed by: why do i need to pay, i am your slave, you use me for your pleasure.

[terrygrooby]

Big Majority of guys that hire escorts want to be topped.

When i am in the bedroom and see pictures of his wife of the wall, i feel sorry for the wife. How many would dare to go to their wives and say: i enjoy taking it from behind?

i don't know about the escorting world but as for wives, if i ever get one, she will be a TS, period.

[nina_lisa]

Not to insult "tops" but using your logic why fuck a tgirl? Why on earth would you chase after someone with a penis to fuck them when you can fuck a gg? it!

We can not get pregnant, we don't have a period once per month.

I asked a woman that is into ts once, why she liked ts, her reply was: i love their courage.

You see, there is more to us than a small piece of meat, a penis does not define us.

[Westheangelino]

see thats chaser mentality right there.that trans girls are only as good as their penis.
luckily there are guys out there that see us woman regardless of whats between our legs and treat us accordingly.i dont know why its so surprising to you guys that woman want to be treated like woman **gasp**.
step outside of your porn driven fantasy world and realize alot of what you see here and in the adult industry isnt a real reflection of our desires and motivations. youve heard it here from the girls mouths directly.they only top for money.outside of the industry in their normal lives they prefer to be treated like a girl, not some hard cock shemale bent on prolapsing dudes.

All I've heard so far is a bunch of homophobic, self hating bullshit from people with penises who fuck or get fucked by people with penises. So, trust me, I'm taking all your baseless insults in stride ;)

Also, the opinion of a few transsexuals on this board is no more indicative of what tgirls are like in real life than porn.

Trust me, there are plenty of girls who love to top, and I don't mean for money. I know that's hard for some of you to imagine since you have been escorting for long.

[amberskyi]

We can not get pregnant, we don't have a period once per month.

I asked a woman that is into ts once, why she liked ts, her reply was: i love their courage.

You see, there is more to us than a small piece of meat, a penis does not define us.

even on just a physical level i feel like i have so much more to offer than just a dick.i have a great smile, beautiful eyes, perky breast and an amazingly soft ass but you'd rather ignore all of that and just focus on my dick.the least feminine thing on my body mind you.
i dont think some guys understand how insulting it is that i spent all this time and effort to become the woman ive always felt like just to have you focus all this attention on my dick.makes me want to punch them sometimes lol

[Westheangelino]

We can not get pregnant, we don't have a period once per month.

I asked a woman that is into ts once, why she liked ts, her reply was: i love their courage.

You see, there is more to us than a small piece of meat, a penis does not define us.

Also, a lot of you are SO INSECURE that you've reacted this way to me lambasting someone else's stupid logic. The logic was basically this: you like to get topped by tgirls, therefore you are gay even if you don't also like men. However, topping tgirls is totally straight and not gay at all. It makes no fucking sense. If you apply the first half of the statement to the rest of it, then you'll see that the extrapolation could be this: why fuck tgirls when you can fuck a gg? That's not MY logic. It's the logic of people who are having sex with trannies yet want to judge others. My own logic is very simple: there is something out there for everyone, fuck who you choose and do what you like, and don't be a fucking hypocrite.

[amberskyi]

All I've heard so far is a bunch of homophobic, self hating bullshit from people with penises who fuck or get fucked by people with penises. So, trust me, I'm taking all your baseless insults in stride ;)

Also, the opinion of a few transsexuals on this board is no more indicative of what tgirls are like in real life than porn.

Trust me, there are plenty of girls who love to top, and I don't mean for money. I know that's hard for some of you to imagine since you have been escorting for long.

i dont think any of the girls have said anything self hating but even if they did why would that surprise you.
we want to be woman.i say this time and time again but some guys dont seem to get it.we've dealt with an incredible amount of pain and trauma because we werent born the right gender.we spent all of our childhood and adolescence wanting to be woman.there isnt a single trans woman that when they were young was like i want to be a shemale.we didnt want to have tits and a dick. we wanted to be regular girls like our mothers,sister,cousins, friends etc.
so yea i guess it makes us a bit uncomfortable and confused when a guy lusts so eagerly after the most masculine attribute on our bodies...

[terrygrooby]

even on just a physical level i feel like i have so much more to offer than just a dick

We are all just a dick in front of a horny bottom, most of the times.

[Westheangelino]

i dont think any of the girls have said anything self hating but even if they did why would that surprise you.
we want to be woman.i say this time and time again but some guys dont seem to get it.we've dealt with an incredible amount of pain and trauma because we werent born the right gender.we spent all of our childhood and adolescence wanting to be woman.there isnt a single trans woman that when they were young was like i want to be a shemale.we didnt want to have tits and a dick. we wanted to be regular girls like our mothers,sister,cousins, friends etc.
so yea i guess it makes us a bit uncomfortable and confused when a guy lusts so eagerly after the most masculine attribute on our bodies...

That's your opinion and not reality. I have met several girls over the years that are completely happy being trans and always have been (both top and bottom girls). They were lucky and had a lot of self confidence growing up and great support systems around them. They have never wanted to and will never chop off their penis.

News flash: you're not a woman, you're something much more rare and special. If you feel that you need to chop off your penis and testicles to become a "woman" then go for it. I'm not going to say anyone shouldn't if they have given it the utmost consideration. But don't act like your feelings about yourself apply to everyone in your situation, because they don't.

Oh, and if you didn't see anything self hating in the previous posts, then you are pretty much proving my point.

[Quiet Reflections]

I'm not going to bottom in any way but I would never be caught saying that men that do have problems. It is 2012, people like what they like. You have every right to have your opinion but there is no need to hate and name call when you could easily just accept that there are so many variations of human for a very good reason. It is perfectly ok to love cock(or not for that matter) but whether you are dealing with a male or female it is about what is between their ears not whats between their legs. If you only mess with a person based on sexual appendages you have issues that go far beyond just chasing and being thirsty.

[LibertyHarkness]

wow this thread is getting heated lol makes me glad that i only fancy women in my own life :)

[amberskyi]

That's your opinion and not reality. I have met several girls over the years that are completely happy being trans and always have been (both top and bottom girls). They were lucky and had a lot of self confidence growing up and great support systems around them. They have never wanted to and will never chop off their penis.

News flash: you're not a woman, you're something much more rare and special. If you feel that you need to chop off your penis and testicles to become a "woman" then go for it. I'm not going to say anyone shouldn't if they have given it the utmost consideration. But don't act like your feelings about yourself apply to everyone in your situation, because they don't.

Oh, and if you didn't see anything self hating in the previous posts, then you are pretty much proving my point.

so are you trying to tell me that when these girls were little they didnt desire to be woman,they wanted to be trans? i hardly doubt that a child knows what a transsexual is. around the age of 3 or 4 is when we start to become aware of gender and gender differences.its usually around that age that we become aware of the fact that we feel different and want to behave differently than whats expected of the gender we were born.we start to question how come our bodies look different than the other girls.
these feelings further become more confusing and painful during puberty when we see our girlfriends bodies developing and we arent developing the same way.at these ages we arent thinking wow i wish i had titties but i want to still keep my penis.we arent even aware of what transsexuals are.all we know is we want to be like our girlfriends.
i personally dont hate my penis.ive learned to accept and grow comfortable with that fact im trans.i dont really have much of a choice do i.but if i was given a choice all those years ago to be born a genetic female than i would be.
also do you realize how transphobic it is to say that im not a woman...

[terrygrooby]

wow this thread is getting heated lol makes me glad that i only fancy women in my own life :)

you really do ??

[LibertyHarkness]

haha dude you never seen any of my hardcores? i mostly only fuck females in videos .. think i have shot 1 hardcore scene this year with a guy or maybe 2 at most ...i have shot in last 2 weeks with 2 females, this month i have 5 females i will fuck over 3 days in scenes for my site ..i may squeeze in a dude though for a 3some scene just for some diversity for the fans ..

I do need to crack in some ts/guy scenes though ,, i may just book in a couple of guys over 2 days and crack out 5 or 6 hardcore scenes with them so i have updates for the year with that .

but yeah i have fucked about 700+ females in my life haha or been fucked by females, as i enjoy them doing that as well .. or just licking them out ... to be honest when i get a pussy , i will be a raving rug muncher anyway

[Westheangelino]

It's not transphobic at all. I love tgirls for what they actually are whether they do or not.

As for more details, you're correct that these girls didn't know what "trans" was when they were little just as they didn't know what straight or gay meant. What they did know is that they felt different in their attractions to people and things. They never at any point hated their bodies, though like any blooming teenager wanted to accentuate things they liked (i.e. wearing makeup, tight jeans).

I have met girls who called their genitals their "birth defect" (how sad!!!) I have met girls completely the opposite. It takes all kinds.

[LibertyHarkness]

see with me , i really wish i didnt have a cock , i wish i was born a genetic girl , i wish i wasnt a transsexual ..but thisis the cards your dealt and you just mush on as best you can ...

[amberskyi]

see with me , i really wish i didnt have a cock , i wish i was born a genetic girl , i wish i wasnt a transsexual ..but thisis the cards your dealt and you just mush on as best you can ...

exactly..i like my penis because its the only sex organ i have but if given a choice it would of never even of been there.

[LibertyHarkness]

i am of hte mindset all the time my cock works i can use it , i can make money from it , and make alot of money to support me , sustain my future etc ,,, then when ready get the thing taken out of hte equation :) it maybe 2years time it maybe 7 years time ..whati have laernt it is this , by being preop at the moment it affords me certain things in life, it puts me on a pedastal above many genetic girls. . i am desirable and can exploit that desire from men to improve my own life .. as i think most TS women in the sex industry do ....

but i have an exit plan, an end game . that i am working towards .and at the moment i need to remain preop to realise that part . so its kinda of a love hate working relationship with my cock lol .. lived with it all my life so its not something i am going to jump off a bridge about .

[doctor screw]

Chasers gonna chase

[jamiethewild]

It's not transphobic at all. I love tgirls for what they actually are whether they do or not.

As for more details, you're correct that these girls didn't know what "trans" was when they were little just as they didn't know what straight or gay meant. What they did know is that they felt different in their attractions to people and things. They never at any point hated their bodies, though like any blooming teenager wanted to accentuate things they liked (i.e. wearing makeup, tight jeans).

I have met girls who called their genitals their "birth defect" (how sad!!!) I have met girls completely the opposite. It takes all kinds.


Bitch your wrong at 2 things .,
1) i know what gay and straight meant when i was 5 yrs old i remember everything in detail people started calling me names my mom told what they meant and stuff that fast at 5 yrs old i knew i was a girl not gay or anything ... maybe your right i didn't know the right word for it but dont make it seem like some of us are stupid and naive .

2) Your making assumptions and sound very naive , saying we never really hated our bodies some us actually did and some may still do however i learn to accept it and love myself knowing that theres srs option makes me happy that its out there for the one that need it .... I call my dick a "tumor" and thats not sad that reality bitch its sad for u cuz u want to sit on it .

On the other hand i agree there's variety and should be respected peace !!! however sometimes you come across as categorizing like all ts's are the same also ...

[Westheangelino]

^ Case in point

[doctor screw]

Chaser logic^lol

[amberskyi]

^ Case in point

funny how your chastising her but you were just as insulting in your post to me

[Westheangelino]

"You want a functional TV not a TS."

"I'm a woman, so of course I don't want to top." (implying that if you do, then you are not a woman)

"Men who want to bottom for TS's are just closeted fags." (implying that if you are a tgirl top then you are a fag in disguise too)

Are you all that addicted to the kool aid you've been drinking that you can't see the holes in your own logic and how it is self hating and self defeating?

[nina_lisa]

What they did know is that they felt different in their attractions to people and things.


Been trans having nothing to do with attraction, it is who you are not what you are attracted to.



They never at any point hated their bodies


Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

[jamiethewild]

maybe start looking at your logic and stop categorizing all ts's are the same my mom said its beautiful to dream maybe then you won't get hit by different angles ...

[Westheangelino]

Been trans having nothing to do with attraction, it is who you are not what you are attracted to.



Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

These are the experiences of tgirls I have come across, my dear. Perhaps they don't often communicate these stories (especially in forums such as this) because of the insane level of self hatred and defensiveness to different points of view exhibited by many.

[GrimFusion]

If you're not trying to insult male bottoms and power-bottoms why do you call them cock bandits and size queens? Not exactly kind terms. Maybe it's hard for you to understand that someone could have different interests than you. Maybe there are men that don't like the male physique but enjoy the physical pleasure of being penetrated.
I have noted that often times, men that secretly desire to be topped take the defensive stance against men who are honest about wanting to be topped, often insulting them and making sure no one doubts their own masculinity. I'm not reffering to you, of course.

I'm sure there are men who are put off by the male form and also enjoy being sodomized. I'd think it'd be a hell of a lot easier buying a dildo or talking a chick into some strap-on play than finding a transsexual who's chill topping a majority of the time. Most of them aren't. Some escorts can be talked into it so long as the donation is healthy enough, but I'd imagine it's pretty awkward for them.

That's great for bottoms who have the kind of cash to buy into their fetishes, but what's left for your average guy who works a nine to five office job? Spamming the crap out of transsexuals on the internet. I wouldn't know personally, but I wouldn't suspect that would work out in the guy's favor all to often; unfortunately, it builds a bad reputation for every guy like that, and soon they're all generalized by terms like "cock bandit". Perhaps it isn't because they love dick so much they gotta get it as often as possible, but rather because they get fucked so rarely they border on desperation and it's that desperation which works against them. That's why I don't understand why male bottoms even fuss with transsexuals. There are plenty of genetic women with penis envy that would jump at the chance for some role reversal just to have that experience, independent of whether they enjoy it or not. It just seems to me these dudes have ruled out everything but the most challenging route to getting laid and have purposely over-complicated their sexual endeavors just by being way too fuckin' picky.

I'm not trying to defend my position as a "100% straight man". If I were 100% straight, I wouldn't be around here. I really don't know how to describe my sexuality, but I'm content with that. If you want to assume I'm a bottom because I slang an insult at the majority of male bottoms, I'm okay with it. I can't prove that I'm not, but more over; I'm not going to waste my time defending myself against an accusation that neither affects or negates what I have to say. Sorry? lol.

[danthepoetman]

i dont think any of the girls have said anything self hating but even if they did why would that surprise you.
we want to be woman.i say this time and time again but some guys dont seem to get it.we've dealt with an incredible amount of pain and trauma because we werent born the right gender.we spent all of our childhood and adolescence wanting to be woman.there isnt a single trans woman that when they were young was like i want to be a shemale.we didnt want to have tits and a dick. we wanted to be regular girls like our mothers,sister,cousins, friends etc.
so yea i guess it makes us a bit uncomfortable and confused when a guy lusts so eagerly after the most masculine attribute on our bodies...


so are you trying to tell me that when these girls were little they didnt desire to be woman,they wanted to be trans? i hardly doubt that a child knows what a transsexual is. around the age of 3 or 4 is when we start to become aware of gender and gender differences.its usually around that age that we become aware of the fact that we feel different and want to behave differently than whats expected of the gender we were born.we start to question how come our bodies look different than the other girls.
these feelings further become more confusing and painful during puberty when we see our girlfriends bodies developing and we arent developing the same way.at these ages we arent thinking wow i wish i had titties but i want to still keep my penis.we arent even aware of what transsexuals are.all we know is we want to be like our girlfriends.
i personally dont hate my penis.ive learned to accept and grow comfortable with that fact im trans.i dont really have much of a choice do i.but if i was given a choice all those years ago to be born a genetic female than i would be.
also do you realize how transphobic it is to say that im not a woman...


Bitch your wrong at 2 things .,
1) i know what gay and straight meant when i was 5 yrs old i remember everything in detail people started calling me names my mom told what they meant and stuff that fast at 5 yrs old i knew i was a girl not gay or anything ... maybe your right i didn't know the right word for it but dont make it seem like some of us are stupid and naive .

Wes, I find a bit strange that you would judge what you call “reality” on your own experience only (by your own admission), as if you somehow had the key to it. What Amber described is the standard clinical description of transsexualism. It starts for most transsexual at such a young age they can’t remember feeling any other way. Their behaviour is that of a girl (M2F) from as early as it can possibly manifest itself, and this is confirmed by the parents of these children. Of course, someone who feels like a girl wants to be treated like a girl and considered a girl to the absolute extent of the attitude. I know sexual orientation doesn’t have anything to do with it, and that indeed, some t-women are not “heterosexuals”. But to maintain an attitude which seems to focus on their penises has to be frustrating for them, you must understand that.
Now allow me, without any disrespect, to point out to you that these ladies, here on this forum, are presenting us with testimonies on who they are and on their experience on what it is to be transsexual. They have legitimacy in invoking “reality” when they talk on the subject, considering it is indeed their reality, the reality they have to face day to day. What you call reality, on the other hand, is your very limited personal experiences, the experiences of an outsider. I suggest to you we should all listen to what these ladies have to say and try to learn from them without taking anything too personal; no one is coming out with any study so far on this thread, but I suspect if we were to search on the subject, such studies would lean towards their experiences and points of view.
I would finally add that indeed we should respect everybody’s desire, and everybody’s sexuality in our world. Times of exclusions should be over, and we should all do our best not to offend anyone in expressing our opinions and sharing our experiences.

[nina_lisa]

Perhaps it isn't because they love dick so much they gotta get it as often as possible, but rather because they get fucked so rarely they border on desperation and it's that desperation which works against them.


I was talking with a girl the other day and said: 90% of people interested in dating a trans woman, they shoot them self in the feet the moment they open their mouth.

If i was a GG and most messages were: how deep is your pussy, want to have my cock in your pussy, is your ass tight? how tight is your ass? I would also be offended.

Other day i got a message that started with: "Dear sir" as a greeting. if a gay person greeting started with: hey faggot, or a black woman got messages that started with: hey neggro. Not many chances they will receive the messages positively.

The discussion of straight VS gay is interesting, since many people contacting ts women, feel the need to say: i am straight but. i still did not have a gay experience...etc

of course you have those that: i feel like doing something crazy. If i message an asian women and say: never been with an asian, but i feel curios, and in the mood of doing something totally crazy, i am sure i'll get so many dates.

Reality is for so many people they will never get a chance to be with a ts unless they pay, not only because we are rare, but because so many people ruined it for anyone wanting to date a ts.

[Quiet Reflections]

Wes, I find a bit strange that you would judge what you call “reality” on your own experience only (by your own admission), as if you somehow had the key to it. What Amber described is the standard clinical description of transsexualism. It starts for most transsexual at such a young age they can’t remember feeling any other way. Their behaviour is that of a girl (M2F) from as early as it can possibly manifest itself, and this is confirmed by the parents of these children. Of course, someone who feels like a girl wants to be treated like a girl and considered a girl to the absolute extent of the attitude. I know sexual orientation doesn’t have anything to do with it, and that indeed, some t-women are not “heterosexuals”. But to maintain an attitude which seems to focus on their penises has to be frustrating for them, you must understand that.
Now allow me, without any disrespect, to point out to you that these ladies, here on this forum, are presenting us with testimonies on who they are and on their experience on what it is to be transsexual. They have legitimacy in invoking “reality” when they talk on the subject, considering it is indeed their reality, the reality they have to face day to day. What you call reality, on the other hand, is your very limited personal experiences, the experiences of an outsider. I suggest to you we should all listen to what these ladies have to say and try to learn from them without taking anything too personal; no one is coming out with any study so far on this thread, but I suspect if we were to search on the subject, such studies would lean towards their experiences and points of view.
I would finally add that indeed we should respect everybody’s desire, and everybody’s sexuality in our world. Times of exclusions should be over, and we should all do our best not to offend anyone in expressing our opinions and sharing our experiences.
well said Dan

[Remy757Photog]

I'm a little late to the thread and there was a lot I felt like commenting on from different posters, but for the most part all the girls expressed exactly what I would have said. So on that note, I will just add my own two cents that while I do enjoy topping (ts&gg) when it comes to guys I want a top and who doesn't mind going verse from time to time. Not a guy who is going to want to bottom all the time, that does nothing for me.

[BluegrassCat]

"You want a functional TV not a TS."

"I'm a woman, so of course I don't want to top." (implying that if you do, then you are not a woman)

"Men who want to bottom for TS's are just closeted fags." (implying that if you are a tgirl top then you are a fag in disguise too)

Are you all that addicted to the kool aid you've been drinking that you can't see the holes in your own logic and how it is self hating and self defeating?

:claps:claps:claps Yup.

[BluegrassCat]

That's why I don't understand why male bottoms even fuss with transsexuals. There are plenty of genetic women with penis envy that would jump at the chance for some role reversal just to have that experience, independent of whether they enjoy it or not. It just seems to me these dudes have ruled out everything but the most challenging route to getting laid and have purposely over-complicated their sexual endeavors just by being way too fuckin' picky.


I certainly don't judge your sexual preference but the same thing could be said of male tops. Why would they even fuss with transsexuals? There are plenty of genetic women who love anal sex and would jump at the chance to get fucked in the ass. It just seems like dudes who want to be top only have ruled out everything but the most challenging route to getting laid. If you don't want to get topped why would you go anywhere near someone with a penis?

[amberskyi]

I certainly don't judge your sexual preference but the same thing could be said of male tops. Why would they even fuss with transsexuals? There are plenty of genetic women who love anal sex and would jump at the chance to get fucked in the ass. It just seems like dudes who want to be top only have ruled out everything but the most challenging route to getting laid. If you don't want to get topped why would you go anywhere near someone with a penis?

because asshole we're still woman and have alot more to offer than just a cock

[amberskyi]

no shade some of you men are depressing.why would any girl be interested in a guy who has a mentality like bluegrass.do you think that makes us feel good as woman or people.
than yall wonder why some girls have such a dislike for trans admirers.at least if your dating stealth you know the guys interested in you as a woman and not some extension of his gay desires to get fucked up the ass.
i really dont have a problem with bottoms really but yes i do get enraged when guys insinuate that theres no point to dealing with a ts girl if she isnt willing to top.

[SammiValentine]

I certainly don't judge your sexual preference but the same thing could be said of male tops. Why would they even fuss with transsexuals? There are plenty of genetic women who love anal sex and would jump at the chance to get fucked in the ass. It just seems like dudes who want to be top only have ruled out everything but the most challenging route to getting laid. If you don't want to get topped why would you go anywhere near someone with a penis?

One presumes it is rather general practise for male "Tops" to give genetic women oral before anal sex or any sex ......therefore if you cant see the difference in giving oral sex to a Transsexual Woman before anal sex then, uhm, try it again and get back to us all on that one.

Just pointing out a slight physical difference..:P Without going into the complexity of "i dont want my cock touched" or the age old discussion of "only a bottom faggot sucks on the pink trombone"

[ditadior]

i refuse to top. and i dont feel comfortable.

so why would i beg for a bottom dude?

when i have no use for him.

the only use i would have is a great foot rest when he is bent over in front of me and i can just sit down and put my feet up and say "awe"

[danthepoetman]

I certainly don't judge your sexual preference but the same thing could be said of male tops. Why would they even fuss with transsexuals? There are plenty of genetic women who love anal sex and would jump at the chance to get fucked in the ass. It just seems like dudes who want to be top only have ruled out everything but the most challenging route to getting laid. If you don't want to get topped why would you go anywhere near someone with a penis?

BluegrassCat, it’s a bit as if you were asking me: “Why would you bother fucking brunettes when there is blondes?” or either: “Why would you fuck girls with small titties when there’s girls with big boobs?” or even: “Why would you fuck girls with tiny vulvas when some have huge, echoing vaginas?” When I look at a t-woman, I see a woman. Her penis is just a little something extra, or different, or particular. What I see is exactly the same as what I see in any woman: a soft, delicate, physically non aggressive and also delicately beautiful being; I see a woman. And like for any woman, all my masculine feelings of protection and desire comes out. That’s it. And I want to do to them exactly what I want to do to other women. Sometimes, on this site (and I repeat once again, that I respect everyone’s feeling and practices), I wander if I’m not totally weird for being like that. And as a matter of fact, I can’t even possibly imagine how they can be viewed differently, for my part or point of view.
And oh! by the way, I love g-women every bit as much as I ever have...

[BluegrassCat]

I'm glad everyone caught on to the flaw in the argument. That was the point of the comparison: neither argument makes sense. But a hat tip to Amber for the insult. :)

[FreddieGomez]

i havent seen many TS say yes....

[amberskyi]

I'm glad everyone caught on to the flaw in the argument. That was the point of the comparison: neither argument makes sense. But a hat tip to Amber for the insult. :)

interesting cause i didnt think it was an insult...just calling a spade a spade *shrugs* lol.

[BluegrassCat]

asshole isn't an insult? Ok. I thought it was funny anyway

[fred41]

It's funny really. This thread (as most threads) would be fine if people just answered the questions given ...and left it at that.

...what causes the arguments is people (including some of the girls) giving their personal insights...but then having to go further and offering their opinions on other peoples sexuality...as if sexuality is a black/white thing.

When you are a woman/man your opinion on what the opposite sex likes/does in the bedroom/has going on in their heads...is strictly anecdotal. So you don't know what really goes on in that head. You have a different psychology and chemical make up. You can't know.

So everyone should stop throwing out percentages that are meaningless...and opinions on what you think the opposite sex should like...if they were normal.
...because very few people, if any, know what normal really is.

[loveboof]

I feel like Fred hasn't understood the most basic principle behind a forum.

A question which provokes discussion with differing opinions at it's centre is exactly the point!

[GrimFusion]

I certainly don't judge your sexual preference but the same thing could be said of male tops. Why would they even fuss with transsexuals? There are plenty of genetic women who love anal sex and would jump at the chance to get fucked in the ass. It just seems like dudes who want to be top only have ruled out everything but the most challenging route to getting laid. If you don't want to get topped why would you go anywhere near someone with a penis?

Your logic is flawed! lol.
I've fucked my fair share of women up the ass. I've had some pretty nasty experiences where that's concerned, too. I don't want to get into it, but I may as well. Women don't always assume anal is on the table until it's on the table so to speak and there's been quite a few times I've had to opt-out and settle for vaginal because they didn't clean or prepare first. Maybe I shouldn't say "settled" because it's not like I'd complain about it. I absolutely have NOT sworn off of anal sex with women. When I can get it and it's not nasty, I'll take advantage.

With transsexuals, if there's a possibility of sex, likelihood is she's at least clean down there. Since *most* ftm's prefer not to top or only top once in a while, I really don't have to worry unless I'm screwing the same chick on the regular. If she wants to top and we're not an item, she can go top whomever she wants. It doesn't have to be me, and I'd likely insist it weren't. If things are more serious and I'm emotionally invested, I'd put my preferences aside every once in a while. Just because I don't particularly like getting fucked doesn't mean I'd never do it. I've done it before just enough to know it's not something I like, but selflessness is important in any relationship.

Do I imagine I'm going to end up in a relationship with a tranny? Fat chance. I've met a few of the girls around Portland and while I'd dig a one-nighter, none of them had any intellectual substance, and I'm the kind of dude that needs that.

Getting back to the subject, straight male tops already fuck women. Straight guys who like anal likely already fuck women in the ass. Male tops who are TS admirers probably fuck women anally too. They play both fields, so you can't really infer that as over-complicating anything or being picky.

[fred41]

I feel like Fred hasn't understood the most basic principle behind a forum.

A question which provokes discussion with differing opinions at it's centre is exactly the point!

Opinion is fine...but opinion given as fact isn't.
...neither is an insult "masked" as an opinion.

[fred41]

...unless it's funny...:)

[GrimFusion]

So everyone should stop throwing out percentages that are meaningless...and opinions on what you think the opposite sex should like...if they were normal.
...because very few people, if any, know what normal really is.

I vehemently disagree. I've met some really awesome people by derailing topics and going into unnecessary detail. I'll agree that there's no normal and what I have to say isn't any more right than any other opinion posed, but opinions necessitate conversation and since forums are a medium for conversation... I mean, c'mon.


...unless it's funny...:)
Props. ;)

[fred41]

I vehemently disagree. I've met some really awesome people by derailing topics and going into unnecessary detail. I'll agree that there's no normal and what I have to say isn't any more right than any other opinion posed, but opinions necessitate conversation and since forums are a medium for conversation... I mean, c'mon.
I don't necessarily disagree...perhaps I didn't word it properly (I'm a little less than sober)...or you got hung up on the "opinion" part of that sentence. Read my second to last post (not counting this one ...lol)...you'll see what i mean.

[amberskyi]

Your logic is flawed! lol.
I've fucked my fair share of women up the ass. I've had some pretty nasty experiences where that's concerned, too. I don't want to get into it, but I may as well. Women don't always assume anal is on the table until it's on the table so to speak and there's been quite a few times I've had to opt-out and settle for vaginal because they didn't clean or prepare first. Maybe I shouldn't say "settled" because it's not like I'd complain about it. I absolutely have NOT sworn off of anal sex with women. When I can get it and it's not nasty, I'll take advantage.

With transsexuals, if there's a possibility of sex, likelihood is she's at least clean down there. Since *most* ftm's prefer not to top or only top once in a while, I really don't have to worry unless I'm screwing the same chick on the regular. If she wants to top and we're not an item, she can go top whomever she wants. It doesn't have to be me, and I'd likely insist it weren't. If things are more serious and I'm emotionally invested, I'd put my preferences aside every once in a while. Just because I don't particularly like getting fucked doesn't mean I'd never do it. I've done it before just enough to know it's not something I like, but selflessness is important in any relationship.

Do I imagine I'm going to end up in a relationship with a tranny? Fat chance. I've met a few of the girls around Portland and while I'd dig a one-nighter, none of them had any intellectual substance, and I'm the kind of dude that needs that.

Getting back to the subject, straight male tops already fuck women. Straight guys who like anal likely already fuck women in the ass. Male tops who are TS admirers probably fuck women anally too. They play both fields, so you can't really infer that as over-complicating anything or being picky.


see this is the type of man i prefer....a guy who is a primarily a top but doesnt mind switching roles every once and awhile if i so desired.

[loveboof]

...unless it's funny...:)

Yeah we can all forgive a lot if it's funny!

Btw, is it me or was bluegrasscat simply giving an example of some of the 'fail logic' he was observing in this thread?

By all means correct me of I'm wrong (by which I mean pounce on me and rip my throat out lol), but I don't think he was necessarily suggesting 'men who are tops should stick to genetic women'...

[BluegrassCat]

Your logic is flawed! lol.
I've fucked my fair share of women up the ass. I've had some pretty nasty experiences where that's concerned, too. I don't want to get into it, but I may as well. Women don't always assume anal is on the table until it's on the table so to speak and there's been quite a few times I've had to opt-out and settle for vaginal because they didn't clean or prepare first. Maybe I shouldn't say "settled" because it's not like I'd complain about it. I absolutely have NOT sworn off of anal sex with women. When I can get it and it's not nasty, I'll take advantage.

With transsexuals, if there's a possibility of sex, likelihood is she's at least clean down there. Since *most* ftm's prefer not to top or only top once in a while, I really don't have to worry unless I'm screwing the same chick on the regular. If she wants to top and we're not an item, she can go top whomever she wants. It doesn't have to be me, and I'd likely insist it weren't. If things are more serious and I'm emotionally invested, I'd put my preferences aside every once in a while. Just because I don't particularly like getting fucked doesn't mean I'd never do it. I've done it before just enough to know it's not something I like, but selflessness is important in any relationship.

Do I imagine I'm going to end up in a relationship with a tranny? Fat chance. I've met a few of the girls around Portland and while I'd dig a one-nighter, none of them had any intellectual substance, and I'm the kind of dude that needs that.

Getting back to the subject, straight male tops already fuck women. Straight guys who like anal likely already fuck women in the ass. Male tops who are TS admirers probably fuck women anally too. They play both fields, so you can't really infer that as over-complicating anything or being picky.

I totally agree the logic of both arguments is flawed. You're making a statement about the probability of having clean butt-sex, which is not an argument of logic but one of empirical frequencies. I may disagree with you about that given there are far more gg than tg so I bet there are more total gg ready for clean buttsex than there are total tg ready for clean buttsex just because of their numerical superiority.

But this argument really isn't the point. If you only cared about putting it in a clean ready butt you'd be best off going after gay men. But of course you wouldn't because you're not attracted to them. And that's the point of my post: reducing each others' sexual preferences to just a sex act (like topping or bottoming) leads to ridiculous simplifications of each other. It might make us feel better about our own idiosyncrasies but it doesn't foster understanding and it can be used as weapon to denigrate others. I don't think you do the last part, but plenty of people do.

[jamiethewild]

I totally agree the logic of both arguments is flawed. You're making a statement about the probability of having clean butt-sex, which is not an argument of logic but one of empirical frequencies. I may disagree with you about that given there are far more gg than tg so I bet there are more total gg ready for clean buttsex than there are total tg ready for clean buttsex just because of their numerical superiority.

But this argument really isn't the point. If you only cared about putting it in a clean ready butt you'd be best off going after gay men. But of course you wouldn't because you're not attracted to them. And that's the point of my post: reducing each others' sexual preferences to just a sex act (like topping or bottoming) leads to ridiculous simplifications of each other. It might make us feel better about our own idiosyncrasies but it doesn't foster understanding and it can be used as weapon to denigrate others. I don't think you do the last part, but plenty of people do.


What a stupid idiotic logic ... i swear !!! :yayo: " tgirls aren't less likely to be butt clean lol but gay men are" ...... you must be power BOTTOM to ts's hahaha

[amberskyi]

I totally agree the logic of both arguments is flawed. You're making a statement about the probability of having clean butt-sex, which is not an argument of logic but one of empirical frequencies. I may disagree with you about that given there are far more gg than tg so I bet there are more total gg ready for clean buttsex than there are total tg ready for clean buttsex just because of their numerical superiority.

But this argument really isn't the point. If you only cared about putting it in a clean ready butt you'd be best off going after gay men. But of course you wouldn't because you're not attracted to them. And that's the point of my post: reducing each others' sexual preferences to just a sex act (like topping or bottoming) leads to ridiculous simplifications of each other. It might make us feel better about our own idiosyncrasies but it doesn't foster understanding and it can be used as weapon to denigrate others. I don't think you do the last part, but plenty of people do.

actually since i know that my ass is the only hole that i have to be filled if im having sex im going to clean up before hand.its very unsanitary and mood killing to shit on a dude lls

[BluegrassCat]

its very unsanitary and mood killing to shit on a dude lls

I think we can all agree on this.

[terrygrooby]

haha dude you never seen any of my hardcores?

No i haven't seen.

i don't watch porn :p It's very rare. I usually just check feedbacks of my own models on shemaleyum and check shemale-japan occasionally. Last proper porn movie i watched was a movie of girls wearing spandex pants :)

[GrimFusion]

I totally agree the logic of both arguments is flawed. You're making a statement about the probability of having clean butt-sex, which is not an argument of logic but one of empirical frequencies. I may disagree with you about that given there are far more gg than tg so I bet there are more total gg ready for clean buttsex than there are total tg ready for clean buttsex just because of their numerical superiority.

But this argument really isn't the point. If you only cared about putting it in a clean ready butt you'd be best off going after gay men. But of course you wouldn't because you're not attracted to them. And that's the point of my post: reducing each others' sexual preferences to just a sex act (like topping or bottoming) leads to ridiculous simplifications of each other. It might make us feel better about our own idiosyncrasies but it doesn't foster understanding and it can be used as weapon to denigrate others. I don't think you do the last part, but plenty of people do.

Look at you; trying to sound all smart. I think you meant empirical probability or relative frequency, an observation made not by solid evidence, but by reoccurring experiences. Either way, you're right. It's just odd to hear the terms outside of the realm of a science experiment. I don't know how we arrived at discussing which gender has the cleanest ass; I like clean buttsex as a matter of opinion and I'm completely aware that there are guys who don't care about lil' shitbits on the ol' bangers and mash (like the French). I'm just not French. lol.

I haven't said "guys who like to bottom shouldn't even admire transsexuals" because that's clearly not true. My only claim is that I don't understand it. I didn't mean to insinuate an aversion of bottoms because I don't have one. I am bottomless! Nevertheless, posting around HA over the last seven years has me realizing that as a loose generalization, men who willingly bottom are usually a little "fabulous" and never once have I heard a single one of them consider genetic females with strap-ons. If a guy already has a preference to bottom and is admittedly more attracted to women than men, why do the girls around here get pestered so voraciously to top?

I get your point. Generalizations suck. There's always that few people left out of a generalization and they're usually the ones who yell the loudest. The only way I could reduce someone else's sexual preferences is by dismissing them. I'm fully aware that there's a lot more to sex than topping versus bottoming and gay versus straight, but that's not what this topic has turned into.
*shrug*

[ZELLGADISS]

Really very few true tops 100% ts exists, but exists.
And they are not less female and no woman by it.
We should to respect all preferences, and a man that to love to be bottom with a ts is not GAY and a woman ts that to love to be only top is woman same that bottom ts.

Regards to everybody

[alyssaluxor]

Most guys ive dated whos looking for a TS girlfriend and wife are 100% powerbottoms and sissy in bed

I rarely meet a ts admirer/chaser looking for a TS gf who like to top

[alyssaluxor]

My TS girl best friend is pure 100% power TOP with big dick! Shes Amazonian beauty and no hormones. Kinda huge and not that passable. But she said she only likes to TOP and fuck handsome young guys not into old fat men

[LibertyHarkness]

No i haven't seen.

i don't watch porn :p It's very rare. I usually just check feedbacks of my own models on shemaleyum and check shemale-japan occasionally. Last proper porn movie i watched was a movie of girls wearing spandex pants :)


hehe ok terry :) well then you wouldnt have known then that i shoot mostly with females .. your like me i dont really watch porn at all these days. kinda pointless as i just see it for what it is , camera angles, canvas , lighting etc only things i do really look at sometimes are the photosets on www.hegre-art.com my favourite website ...

Here you go though a pic of one my female girlfriends and me shooting last week :)

[Westheangelino]

Bottom line (no pun intended) is that everyone on both sides has made some valid points. What I still do not get and will never get is the vitriol of those that go off the deep end insulting bottom men (and consequently the top girls as well....and trust me....they DO exist). Why all the hate? It can only be one thing.....utter insecurity.

[Prospero]

Anger at those who do not accept them fully as women - with the centrality of the female sexual experience?

[Dino Velvet]

Most guys ive dated whos looking for a TS girlfriend and wife are 100% powerbottoms and sissy in bed

I rarely meet a ts admirer/chaser looking for a TS gf who like to top

I've heard this from you for so long. You run with the wrong kind of fellas.

[terrygrooby]

hehe ok terry :) well then you wouldnt have known then that i shoot mostly with females .. your like me i dont really watch porn at all these days. kinda pointless as i just see it for what it is , camera angles, canvas , lighting etc only things i do really look at sometimes are the photosets on www.hegre-art.com my favourite website ...

Here you go though a pic of one my female girlfriends and me shooting last week :)

oh wow...i didn't know.

[GrimFusion]

Bottom line (no pun intended) is that everyone on both sides has made some valid points. What I still do not get and will never get is the vitriol of those that go off the deep end insulting bottom men (and consequently the top girls as well....and trust me....they DO exist). Why all the hate? It can only be one thing.....utter insecurity.

I have udder insecurity. 8B

[alyssaluxor]

Just to clear things up that I always make fun of powerbottoms, thats not true!

Because honestly i like guys who can be bottom for me in escorting even in real life. I even prefer being top and active most of the time fucking this guys tight asses uhmmmm so yummy lol But a guy whos only bottom I think is not good for i want to be fuck sometimes also

But it all boils down to chemistry, sometimes i like being top sometimes i like being bottom. If guys are h0t, young, yummy, fit and handsome like Freddie Gomez I would fuck his ass non stop for couple of hours and cum on his face creampie

[loveboof]

honestly i like guys who can be bottom for me in escorting even in real life. I even prefer being top and active most of the time fucking this guys tight asses uhmmmm so yummy lol

If I was feeling particularly cynical I could be inclined to believe that was a little rescue manoeuvre to save yourself a bit of business... lol

An escort who 'prefers being a top most of the time' - that is lucky isn't it? ;)

[iago_delgado]

Enjoyed the honest answers. Very interesting.

As for the ones that are clearly crap ... they're clearly crap.

[alyssaluxor]

If I was feeling particularly cynical I could be inclined to believe that was a little rescue manoeuvre to save yourself a bit of business... lol

An escort who 'prefers being a top most of the time' - that is lucky isn't it? ;)

1st - I dont know what business you mean but i never recall any business from this website. Im base in Asia and almost all my clientelle didnt get me from this site. I never even got any client from this site lol This site is for US and some i think for Europe.

2nd - Even in real life ask the hot yummy guys ive met im the first one to pop their cherry boy pussy *wink*

[loveboof]

This site is for US and some i think for Europe.


Then why are you here? lol... (this is the internet)

But as I said, it's pretty lucky that you're a top who escorts then isn't it :)

Also it would seem you are the much fabled 'topping ts' which has been discussed in this thread. A very rare breed by all accounts ...

[GrimFusion]

Just to clear things up that I always make fun of powerbottoms, thats not true!

Because honestly i like guys who can be bottom for me in escorting even in real life. I even prefer being top and active most of the time fucking this guys tight asses uhmmmm so yummy lol But a guy whos only bottom I think is not good for i want to be fuck sometimes also

But it all boils down to chemistry, sometimes i like being top sometimes i like being bottom. If guys are h0t, young, yummy, fit and handsome like Freddie Gomez I would fuck his ass non stop for couple of hours and cum on his face creampie

You ALWAYS give bottoms a hard time. Get it? Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. lol.
Honestly, though... I can't ever recall you actually making fun of bottoms. From the sounds of it, most of your clients prefer that you top, and you've never expressed any repulsion about it.

[alyssaluxor]

If I was feeling particularly cynical I could be inclined to believe that was a little rescue manoeuvre to save yourself a bit of business... lol

An escort who 'prefers being a top most of the time' - that is lucky isn't it? ;)


Then why are you here? lol... (this is the internet)

But as I said, it's pretty lucky that you're a top who escorts then isn't it :)

Also it would seem you are the much fabled 'topping ts' which has been discussed in this thread. A very rare breed by all accounts ...

Im here to share opinions and my experience being a transsexual escort

Im not here to do business, i wont get any clientelle here for im not in US and Europe :yingyang:

[alyssaluxor]

You ALWAYS give bottoms a hard time. Get it? Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. lol.
Honestly, though... I can't ever recall you actually making fun of bottoms. From the sounds of it, most of your clients prefer that you top, and you've never expressed any repulsion about it.

Yes from my experience as a trans escort most clientelle are powerbottoms lol

But I prefer guys who can be bottom and top, I want to be fuck also :fuckin:

[Jackal]

Those hips, those thighs, that gorgeous face....Alyssa is the perfect woman! How are things for you? I hope to be moving that way soon.


Anyway, am I alone in thinking that it is worth adjusting your preferences to satisfy a woman you like or love? If you prefer bottoming, would you try topping if your girlfriend was a bottom? If someone really cannot, I get that but I would think communicating and working for mutual pleasure would be ideal. Honestly, the best time of my life involved making out, mutual groping and holding in my arms a beautiful gal as we both fell asleep. I think I'd try or refrain from anything if I liked her.

[zdubya69]

ewww...an all bottom dude kinda repulses me (no offence).i dont really think i would be into a fully verse guy either.
my ideal man is a top who is okay with playing with my penis and open to the possibility of bottoming every once in awhile (i really wouldnt be into it being a regular thing)
In that case, I'm your huckleberry! Lol

[Dino Velvet]

I'm gonna try to be a little cautious with this question. This is for the bottom fellas who see escorts. If you go see an escort who claims to be 8 inches but doesn't measure up in person have you ever used that as an excuse to break off the date like if she used a fake pic of her face? Might be some wiggle room for renegotiation too.

While I have you guys around, here's another question. Sorry, two. It's about jerking off. How do you jerk off while imagining getting fucked? What image are you looking at in your brain while your eyes are closed? Salami is hidden and you're facing a wall.

[tsadriana]

I'm gonna try to be a little cautious with this question. This is for the bottom fellas who see escorts. If you go see an escort who claims to be 8 inches but doesn't measure up in person have you ever used that as an excuse to break off the date like if she used a fake pic of her face? Might be some wiggle room for renegotiation too.

While I have you guys around, here's another question. Sorry, two. It's about jerking off. How do you jerk off while imagining getting fucked? What image are you looking at in your brain while your eyes are closed? Salami is hidden and you're facing a wall.
And he spoken loud:jerkoff:jerkoff:jerkoff

[fire.starterman]

I'm a decent looking guy, and am a bottom. I've met a few girls who are up for it but I'd say I loose 70% of girls interest when I let them know my preference is to bottom.

[NYBURBS]

lol hang around these boards long enough and you'll see the same types of threads/posts over and over again. People would do well to just leave it be that everyone has their own tastes. My experience has been that most TS prefer to bottom most of the time in their private lives, though I've known ones that actually prefer to top (usually because they don't enjoy being penetrated, but still want to have intercourse). Either way, unless you plan on sleeping with a particular person, what they do/enjoy should be of little relevance.

[loren]

I do not top guys, never have and mever plan on it.

[natina]

there are so many TS that I have seen on craigslist,eros,backpage etc.. that are strictly TOPS in there advertisment and in there escort reviews.

http://www.erostranssexuals.com/search/text?sch=top&location_id%5B%5D=34&x=15&y=8

http://www.erostranssexuals.com/search/text?sch=top&location_id%5B%5D=17&x=18&y=7


http://www.erostranssexuals.com/search/text?sch=top&location_id%5B%5D=45&x=20&y=11

http://www.erostranssexuals.com/search/text?sch=top&location_id%5B%5D=31&x=15&y=8

[NYBURBS]

there are so many TS that I have seen on craigslist,eros,backpage etc.. that are strictly TOPS in there advertisment and in there escort reviews.

http://www.erostranssexuals.com/search/text?sch=top&location_id%5B%5D=34&x=15&y=8

http://www.erostranssexuals.com/search/text?sch=top&location_id%5B%5D=17&x=18&y=7


http://www.erostranssexuals.com/search/text?sch=top&location_id%5B%5D=45&x=20&y=11

http://www.erostranssexuals.com/search/text?sch=top&location_id%5B%5D=31&x=15&y=8

Those aren't good examples though. Afaik Eros stopped allowing explicit descriptions such as top/bottom, etc. In fact, most of those results are from stuff like "top of the line" or just having the word stop in the ad.

[Random532]

you really do ??

Nah, Libs fancies me :-P

But mostly girls defo.

[yosi]

Im here to share opinions and my experience being a transsexual escort

Im not here to do business, i wont get any clientelle here for im not in US and Europe :yingyang:

and that's the reason why we love you :Bowdown:

[BrendaTG]

"You want a functional TV not a TS."

"I'm a woman, so of course I don't want to top." (implying that if you do, then you are not a woman)

"Men who want to bottom for TS's are just closeted fags." (implying that if you are a tgirl top then you are a fag in disguise too)

Are you all that addicted to the kool aid you've been drinking that you can't see the holes in your own logic and how it is self hating and self defeating?

No it is you who hates the fact that most TS dont want to bottom you unless you pay....

I dont hate myself... It is the reason I wont do escort... To top a guy would feel close to raping myself, and I cant do it.

It is not self hate... I am a TS.. I am NOT a man like you...

If you dont believe that, fine.

Even if you were to be straight... then you are a straight guy with homosexual behavior.

I know I was born in a male body.
I am in touch with reality...

So should you.

[LittleGuy]

What if the guy doesn't have a cock?

[BrendaTG]

What if the guy doesn't have a cock?

thats unlikely...but if he would be a female to male...id ask him to wear a strap-on if he likes...i would not go down on him orally...

if a boyfriend i truely love and he would become impotent id stay with him but I still would not start topping him as an "alternative"

[danthepoetman]

I think Brenda’s opinion is largely representative of how t-ladies feel in general. We’ve had many expressions of similar views along this thread. I find we should listen and learn from all of this.

[BrendaTG]

I think Brenda’s opinion is largely representative of how t-ladies feel in general. We’ve had many expressions of similar views along this thread. I find we should listen and learn from all of this.

That would be nice!!!
But from my experience... it is not going to happen.
Even when you very explicitely tell men that you will never top and that you dont like men who want to dress up (""""just like you"""" :confused::confused::confused::confused:) or who are cockhungry...

Still men will think that they are so special that we would make an exception for him... or he thinks that we will change our minds along the way.

To find a normal masculine sweet and nice guy without homosexual tendences that is ready to actually date you in pubic is actually very very hard...

[Dino Velvet]

I think Brenda’s opinion is largely representative of how t-ladies feel in general. We’ve had many expressions of similar views along this thread. I find we should listen and learn from all of this.

I think this thread has been as educational as it has been entertaining.

Definitely happy being a pitcher too.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-4fe9f686/turbine/la-sp-sn-roger-clemens-hall-of-fame-20120626-001/600

[Nautica]

never ..
Lmfao!


What if the guy doesn't have a cock?

Then, he'd be my dream guy! 1 Year Post-Op FTM - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mthMNoz5tD0)

[RealEyesPlasticLifeNoMore]

ya well everyone ive been with told me howmuch they like to top, so some of these peole are clueless completely

[RealEyesPlasticLifeNoMore]

some of these responses are dumb... maybe the guys you women have been with dont have nice asses, or something.... this has never been a problem in my experiences,,,, and id say ive paid half/got free half....and being bottom is what they want from me...maybe cause i have a big ass and its tight.... they justa bout start crying....serious

[RealEyesPlasticLifeNoMore]

and just cause i guy is a bottom, does not in any way he is gonna do all the woman work around the house LOL...id be damned....you just got off and you want ME to clean, NO.... ill go play madden or listen to music instead

[GrimFusion]

and just cause i guy is a bottom, does not in any way he is gonna do all the woman work around the house LOL...id be damned....you just got off and you want ME to clean, NO.... ill go play madden or listen to music instead

You are scoring SO MANY brownie points, man. SO MANY! </sarcasm>

[RealEyesPlasticLifeNoMore]

LOl, i know cause everything is so serious here, and im actually gonna meet one of these ladies in here...very doubtful...

to those who say bottom guys are just "fags" is disguise, errrrrrr wrong again....i tried lookin at gay chat rooms a few times and i felt less than i feel witha biological girl....id rather have straight sex than do anything with a guy....soooooooo dont group everyone together

[Chaos]

and just cause i guy is a bottom, does not in any way he is gonna do all the woman work around the house LOL...id be damned....you just got off and you want ME to clean, NO.... ill go play madden or listen to music instead

So if you get off then you clean the house? :whistle: Hmm....I always thought sex was for BOTH parties to get off.... Guess I've been doing it wrong all this time...Now I know why I have stalkers... :fuckin:

[RealEyesPlasticLifeNoMore]

So if you get off then you clean the house? :whistle: Hmm....I always thought sex was for BOTH parties to get off.... Guess I've been doing it wrong all this time...Now I know why I have stalkers... :fuckin:

well ya ill get off, but ifmy butt is sore hwo am i supposed to lift anything .... my back needs its rest....also, when you cum, you become tired, so its rest time

[Chaos]

well ya ill get off, but ifmy butt is sore hwo am i supposed to lift anything .... my back needs its rest....

So a feather duster or cleaning rag is too heavy? :hide-1: I've never seen a vacuum cleaner that needs pulled by Clydesdales....Scrubbing floors could even get you a round two.....being already on your knees..... :party:

:werd:

[RealEyesPlasticLifeNoMore]

So a feather duster or cleaning rag is too heavy? :hide-1: I've never seen a vacuum cleaner that needs pulled by Clydesdales....Scrubbing floors could even get you a round two.....being already on your knees..... :party:

:werd:

na man, first thing i do is go whipe my ass just in case,, use soem mouthwase/brush my teeth, shower, tell em get the hell out my house, then do waht i want

[GrimFusion]

na man, first thing i do is go whipe my ass just in case,, use soem mouthwase/brush my teeth, shower, tell em get the hell out my house, then do waht i want


http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/4cff546508bdeb038b7d82ae07e1311f/http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b373/redpill12/cartman-1.jpg
http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/13/5ebdba930dd1494db982efd15543a92f/l.jpg

[sukumvit boy]

Right on,Grim! As they say," You're paying them to leave".

[RealEyesPlasticLifeNoMore]

dont empower these women, just because some of htem ar ebeautiufl... they cant call the shots cause htey use their dick...a dick only means something for the period its inserted, than it just hangs and is useless

[Chaos]

dont empower these women, just because some of htem ar ebeautiufl... they cant call the shots cause htey use their dick...a dick only means something for the period its inserted, than it just hangs and is useless

I agree empowering someone based ONLY on looks can be a bad thing....leads to incredibly shallow and vain people.

But WHY can't they call shots because they use their dicks?
MEN seem to have no issue doing that very same thing and isn't equality better than pegging yourself to only one role in life?

[dc_guy_75]

He said "pegging yourself"

[RealEyesPlasticLifeNoMore]

if jane marie told me to clean i would...............................JKKKKKKKKKK no way

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

no shade some of you men are depressing.why would any girl be interested in a guy who has a mentality like bluegrass.do you think that makes us feel good as woman or people.
than yall wonder why some girls have such a dislike for trans admirers.at least if your dating stealth you know the guys interested in you as a woman and not some extension of his gay desires to get fucked up the ass.
i really dont have a problem with bottoms really but yes i do get enraged when guys insinuate that theres no point to dealing with a ts girl if she isnt willing to top.

It's called a preference. You don't speak for all women you speak for yourself.

Hypothetically speaking, if 100 passable TS stepped up right now and said I'm strictly bottom and only only 1 passable TS said that she was verse. Then odds are that verse female is who I might be interested in going out with. It's not a democracy. So who cares what the other 100 girls think when the primary goal is to eventually settle down with the one I have the most in common with?

If she doesn't like her sex organ than that's her problem. I'm fully aware of how Gender Dysphoria impacts certain TS females. I'm not trying to be insensitive but I'm not going to sit around while some of lonely bottoms throw that gay card around when ever she feels threatened.

I'm Chase...Chase Mcthirsty BTW,

"bluegrass" you're one of the few people in here with common sense. Don't let let insecure TS deter you.

I don't think most guys are here to convince a bottom ts to use her dick, it's just a matter of excepting that some people just aren't compatible. That doesn't make him less of a man or her less of a female.

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

because asshole we're still woman and have alot more to offer than just a cock
Yeah and so do we...

[amberskyi]

It's called a preference. You don't speak for all women you speak for yourself.

Hypothetically speaking, if 100 passable TS stepped up right now and said I'm strictly bottom and only only 1 passable TS said that she was verse. Then odds are that verse female is who I might be interested in going out with. It's not a democracy. So who cares what the other 100 girls think when the primary goal is to eventually settle down with the one I have the most in common with?

If she doesn't like her sex organ than that's her problem. I'm fully aware of how Gender Dysphoria impacts certain TS females. I'm not trying to be insensitive but I'm not going to sit around while some of lonely bottoms throw that gay card around when ever she feels threatened.

I'm Chase...Chase Mcthirsty BTW,

"bluegrass" you're one of the few people in here with common sense. Don't let let insecure TS deter you.

I don't think most guys are here to convince a bottom ts to use her dick, it's just a matter of excepting that some people just aren't compatible. That doesn't make him less of a man or her less of a female.

i respect everyones preference. again what i dont like is that mentality is that a tgirl is only worth her dick.

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

i respect everyones preference. again what i dont like is that mentality is that a tgirl is only worth her dick.

Alright and who said you had to entertain it...?

Telling a guy who's strictly bottom that you have more going on than just a dick is just as pointless as him saying the same to you.

[GrimFusion]

It's called a preference. You don't speak for all women you speak for yourself.

Hypothetically speaking, if 100 passable TS stepped up right now and said I'm strictly bottom and only only 1 passable TS said that she was verse. Then odds are that verse female is who I might be interested in going out with. It's not a democracy. So who cares what the other 100 girls think when the primary goal is to eventually settle down with the one I have the most in common with?
You're trying to settle down with the one girl you have the most in common with sexually? Man, your personal relationships must be pretty fucked.


If she doesn't like her sex organ than that's her problem. I'm fully aware of how Gender Dysphoria impacts certain TS females. I'm not trying to be insensitive but I'm not going to sit around while some of lonely bottoms throw that gay card around when ever she feels threatened.
I wouldn't look at that as a "problem". It's definitively a setback if a girl has a preference like that and has to escort, but if she's already denying money to keep her self-respect, that's not her problem. It's yours. Your the one who has to keep looking for another option. That's not the issue, though. Some men act disrespectfully once they know their money is no good.

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

You're trying to settle down with the one girl you have the most in common with sexually? Man, your personal relationships must be pretty fucked.Don't presume to know what my social life involves son. You'll hurt yourself. Besides Bluegrass has already put your personal standing in perspective. The revelation of the fact is just lost on you.

But don't worry I hear ignorance is bliss.

For the record I don't claim to understand why people smoke in this day and age knowing the consequences. But I won't condemn you for the blatant idiocy. I'm mean you are killing yourself after all.



I wouldn't look at that as a "problem". It's definitively a setback if a girl has a preference like that and has to escort, but if she's already denying money to keep her self-respect, that's not her problem. It's yours. Your the one who has to keep looking for another option. That's not the issue, though. Some men act disrespectfully once they know their money is no good. Spare me your lecture on hooker endeavors.

My stable of "Tranni" (That's plural) are free and open minded.

One would question how great your personal relationships are seeing that there are quite a few TS here who drink the same koolaid as you. Yet here you are talking to me.

Irony....?

[danthepoetman]

It's called a preference. You don't speak for all women you speak for yourself.
Hypothetically speaking, if 100 passable TS stepped up right now and said I'm strictly bottom and only only 1 passable TS said that she was verse. Then odds are that verse female is who I might be interested in going out with. It's not a democracy. So who cares what the other 100 girls think when the primary goal is to eventually settle down with the one I have the most in common with?
If she doesn't like her sex organ than that's her problem. I'm fully aware of how Gender Dysphoria impacts certain TS females. I'm not trying to be insensitive but I'm not going to sit around while some of lonely bottoms throw that gay card around when ever she feels threatened.
I'm Chase...Chase Mcthirsty BTW,
"bluegrass" you're one of the few people in here with common sense. Don't let let insecure TS deter you.
I don't think most guys are here to convince a bottom ts to use her dick, it's just a matter of excepting that some people just aren't compatible. That doesn't make him less of a man or her less of a female.

Don't presume to know what my social life involves son. You'll hurt yourself. Besides Bluegrass has already put your personal standing in perspective. The revelation of the fact is just lost on you.
But don't worry I hear ignorance is bliss.
For the record I don't claim to understand why people smoke in this day and age knowing the consequences. But I won't condemn you for the blatant idiocy. I'm mean you are killing yourself after all.
Spare me your lecture on hooker endeavors.
My stable of "Tranni" (That's plural) are free and open minded.
One would question how great your personal relationships are seeing that there are quite a few TS here who drink the same koolaid as you. Yet here you are talking to me.
Irony....?

These are quite telling posts in themselves. I can’t think of any reason why anyone would be so arrogant, insulting and judgemental, here, man. Is it me, or is every line you write negating the superior attitude you give yourself?

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

These are quite telling posts in themselves. I can’t think of any reason why anyone would be so arrogant, insulting and judgemental, here, man. Is it me, or is every line you write negating the superior attitude you give yourself?

Arrogant...?
Insulting...?
.....Judgemental...???

Hi, I'm Chase, Chase Mcthirsty.......

This argument started over a month before I arrived.

So are you Pro-chicken or Pro-egg?

[danthepoetman]

Chase, it just seems to me we don’t need to be such roosters to talk about it. Don’t you think?

[ManMoMiu]

Coming up on 13 years in a loving relationship with my TS partner.

She tops, I bottom. Not really a big deal.

The world is a big place.