PLEASE SIGN THIS! Support equality for Transpeople!!

[CarmenCarrera]

Im so upset right now, I cant stop crying. My heart truly hurts. I need people to understand that I KNOW I was born male and not ashamed of it. I wouldn't of cared if they said I was born male or USED TO BE male. By calling me a 'MAN' promotes ignorance and makes it ok to call transgender women, men. PEOPLE GET BULLIED, BEAT UP, AND KILLED FOR BEING TRANS BECAUSE OF THIS IGNORANCE! There was a time it was like that for gay people, even for some ethnic groups. Its not ok to call a gay person a fag, its not ok to call a spanish person a spic, its not ok to call a black person a nigger. THIS IS THE SAME TYPE OF THING. I made it VERY clear to the producers on how to use the correct wording before agreeing to filming this but instead they chose to poke fun and be disrespectful. Thats not what Im about! Please voice your opinion.


https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/tlc-s-cake-boss-publicly-apologize-to-the-transgendered-community

[JenniferParisHusband]

Done! I'm very sorry about last night. You have my complete support on this.

[lifeisfiction]

I didn't see the show (been really sick and unable to sleep), but I did read the recap and that was wrong. They mislead you about your role. Hollywood uses anything to make a quick. Really sad shame.

[robertlouis]

Signed - per my post on your other thread. Good luck Carmen. Brave and I hope you succeed.

[flabbybody]

signed. and fuck you TLC

[JerseyMike]

I would the fact that they were going to be USING YOU for a reality show prank should have sent up red flags over their true motives and how they were going to present you.

[Prospero]

I've just signed it also. Good luck Carmen.

[ValerieNelson]

Signed.

[buttslinger]

CARMEN: They say the definition of "Pioneer" is the guy with all the arrows in their back. You did great, Doll, you keep working and we'll keep watching. I'm going to go sign your petition now.

[chromeheart44m]

signed sorry they lied

[Mayrah]

Signed it.

[BellaBellucci]

I signed it, but I thought most people on this board were pro-Maury and Springer. I'm a bit confused as to why it's not OK for a network to switch it up, but when girls willingly go on tabloid shows to get subjugated and intentionally misgendered by a crowd of clinical morons, the girls defend the sensationalism factor as a part of doing business and many of the guys here insist on validating it as well. :?

Regardless, I'm sorry this happened to you Carmen.

~BB~

[tsdvdman]

You should be trying to get on Good Morning America or The Today Show..then you will be heard. You have the pedigree for them to take you seriously..but you are preaching to the choir here

[TsJizelle]

I signed !

[shaustin]

This is just plain sad. Sadder still is when I first saw Carmen's post promoting her appearence I knew this or something just like it was bound to happen. Most all these networks are the same nowadays, and all the more so for 'reality' shows. All they're really about is drama and confrontation, and when there isn't any they use editing and music to make it appear as if there is. Saying she was appearing on 'Cake Boss' to me was just the same as saying she was going to guest star on 'Jersey Shore' or 'Hell's Kitchen', in the end they all amount to the same soul numbing ratings formula's execs have been using for the past decade. As for Carmen, your a lovely lady who truly did nothing to deserve such cruel treatment. I apologize for all the hateful and disrespectful people you've had to deal with over this, and I hope you never have to endure this kind of thing ever again. Your a fantastic person and are fine just the way you are, anyone other than yourself who disagrees isn't worth a second thought.

[samantha999]

I signed. Just wanted to say that you are beautiful person on the inside and the outside!

[dabaldone]

I signed it as well. We must change the attitudes of those exces who thinks it's ok to sensationalize trans-women.

[jgud051]

Signed. Sorry you had to go through this. You were amazing on the show & I thought it got your seal of approval. Sad that it took this turn.

[AcadiaVeneer]

SIGNED! Shame on you Cake Boss and TLC!

[GrimFusion]

Im so upset right now, I cant stop crying. My heart truly hurts. I need people to understand that I KNOW I was born male and not ashamed of it. I wouldn't of cared if they said I was born male or USED TO BE male. By calling me a 'MAN' promotes ignorance and makes it ok to call transgender women, men. PEOPLE GET BULLIED, BEAT UP, AND KILLED FOR BEING TRANS BECAUSE OF THIS IGNORANCE! There was a time it was like that for gay people, even for some ethnic groups. Its not ok to call a gay person a fag, its not ok to call a spanish person a spic, its not ok to call a black person a nigger. THIS IS THE SAME TYPE OF THING. I made it VERY clear to the producers on how to use the correct wording before agreeing to filming this but instead they chose to poke fun and be disrespectful. Thats not what Im about! Please voice your opinion.

You've got my support, but I don't understand why you're collecting signatures for a petition. I mean, how do you plan to use the signatures anyhow? You can't force TLC to apologize if they don't feel it necessary no matter how many signatures you collect. They should, but there's no obligation.

[crazychef]

yup deff signed equality before the law is mandatory and paramount that is a well documented and court used maxim of law, and also my own personal stand point, filthy media and or television broadcast companies only care for viewing figures they are the scum of the earth most if not all of them.

[MdR Dave]

There are quite a few stories and discussions online re: this incident- and they cover all viewpoints, as you would expect.

Sorry Carmen was misled, but glad she is helping push an important discussion to the fore.

On a related note, cake decorator Remy Gonzales was convicted of sex with a minor and could end up being deported.

[flabbybody]

I signed it, but I thought most people on this board were pro-Maury and Springer. I'm a bit confused as to why it's not OK for a network to switch it up, but when girls willingly go on tabloid shows to get subjugated and intentionally misgendered by a crowd of clinical morons, the girls defend the sensationalism factor as a part of doing business and many of the guys here insist on validating it as well. :?

Regardless, I'm sorry this happened to you Carmen.

~BB~
I understand the entertainment value of being misgendered by a crowd of morons but it was the show itself that classified her as a man. That's what puts this sorry ass POS show in the same category as the other crap. But it calls itself The Learning Channel

[JenniferParisHusband]

I signed it, but I thought most people on this board were pro-Maury and Springer. I'm a bit confused as to why it's not OK for a network to switch it up, but when girls willingly go on tabloid shows to get subjugated and intentionally misgendered by a crowd of clinical morons, the girls defend the sensationalism factor as a part of doing business and many of the guys here insist on validating it as well. :?

Regardless, I'm sorry this happened to you Carmen.

~BB~

I used to be really pro-Maury, never much pro-Springer. My thought process was always, "this is a small step" in getting people educated and moving transgendered people towards the mainstream. with Springer it was always trashy. At least Maury could at times go a little closer to the high road. In the last couple years though, I've really changed my mind on all of this. I even find myself wondering if something like RuPaul's Drag Race isn't doing more harm than good.

I wish there were more opportunities like Caroline Cossey (Tula)'s appearance on Oprah, that put transgendered people in a positive light.

[blkmamba]

Done...Sorry mama

[onmyknees]

I signed it, but I thought most people on this board were pro-Maury and Springer. I'm a bit confused as to why it's not OK for a network to switch it up, but when girls willingly go on tabloid shows to get subjugated and intentionally misgendered by a crowd of clinical morons, the girls defend the sensationalism factor as a part of doing business and many of the guys here insist on validating it as well. :?

Regardless, I'm sorry this happened to you Carmen.

~BB~

That's a very interesting point. I have always found those shows profoundly degrading to the guests. A side show in a traveling carnival.

Here I think Carmen genuinely thought this would be a cool gig...perhaps she was naive? I missed the show , but now I'm glad I did. I'd like to smash one of those 5 layer cakes right in the producers face. What a punk for misleading Carmen.

Chin up baby....

[GrimFusion]

I signed it, but I thought most people on this board were pro-Maury and Springer. I'm a bit confused as to why it's not OK for a network to switch it up, but when girls willingly go on tabloid shows to get subjugated and intentionally misgendered by a crowd of clinical morons, the girls defend the sensationalism factor as a part of doing business and many of the guys here insist on validating it as well. :?
~BB~

That's because they have issues weighing benefit against consequence. Many dudes were introduced to transsexuals by trashy talk shows (I was one of 'em), but they still make up a minority of the viewing audience. Everybody else ends up thinking tgirls are mental gay men. That's rationalized so long as escorts have new clients and porn actresses sell a few more DVDs and site subscriptions.

I'm not blaming Carmen. I don't think she knew any better. I applaud her for picking something other than a talk show, and I think SHE thought she was contributing to positive community exposure, but shows that cast transsexuals for prank or surprise scenes should probably be avoided, too.

[BellaBellucci]

I understand the entertainment value of being misgendered by a crowd of morons but it was the show itself that classified her as a man. That's what puts this sorry ass POS show in the same category as the other crap. But it calls itself The Learning Channel

Exactly. And class, what did we learn? :lol:


I wish there were more opportunities like Caroline Cossey (Tula)'s appearance on Oprah, that put transgendered people in a positive light.

Remember the good ol' days when we had Donahue and Oprah instead of Jerry and Maury? :yayo:

~BB~

[rydermorrison]

yea that was so messed up.. cant say i didnt see it coming though. give them hell!!

[TatianaSummer]

Done! Signed. Hope each of our signatures is worth.

[robertlouis]

I signed it, but I thought most people on this board were pro-Maury and Springer. I'm a bit confused as to why it's not OK for a network to switch it up, but when girls willingly go on tabloid shows to get subjugated and intentionally misgendered by a crowd of clinical morons, the girls defend the sensationalism factor as a part of doing business and many of the guys here insist on validating it as well. :?

Regardless, I'm sorry this happened to you Carmen.

~BB~

Agree with every word of that, BB.

[CarmenCarrera]

Thanks to everyone who signed!

[Dino Velvet]

Signed. Sorry for what you dealt with, Carmen. I'll remember this about them.

[SunshyneMonroe]

Ive never heard of this show does someone have a clip....I'm sorry but I don't understand what did you think was going to happen? Its not like you went on the show to teach people something?... You went on there to prank the dude.. to play a joke...so they made your the joke and now you upset... How did you think they would word it "that woman was not born a woman she is a transgendered woman" no doll they would say THAT'S A MAN...

[Donjuan2416]

Agree 100% with Sunshyne...don't back pedal now u knew the deal when they hired and paid u.

[tsadriana]

i signed...hope will be more signatures...

[tsdvdman]

Ive never heard of this show does someone have a clip....I'm sorry but I don't understand what did you think was going to happen? Its not like you went on the show to teach people something?... You went on there to prank the dude.. to play a joke...so they made your the joke and now you upset... How did you think they would word it "that woman was not born a woman she is a transgendered woman" no doll they would say THAT'S A MAN...
I have to agree

[TSMichelleAustin]

I agree with Sunshyne here, I have been on set of a reality tv show just recently and know for a fact its staged and you know what is going on. It was a prank, and I am pretty sure the guy u were pranking knew it up front too! Reality tv is not reality its all staged for a reaction from people. Just own up to it, why is it such a bad thing now, after the fact? I dont think he should of called u a man but thats what happened. Its TV... look at Yasmine Lee, she was the butt of a joke in a huge movie, do u see her complaining??? No! She took it on and has done well for herself!

[Kayden Harley]

Carmen, YOU agreed to be the butt of the joke. What reaction were you hoping for? The role was set up for people to laugh at the 'Grand Reveal' and say "HAHA u fell for a MAN". If you really saw herself as a woman, there would be no joke for you to be a part of.... THAT was your role...to LURE MEN IN... TO TRICK THEM.... You cant go on jerry springer or maury and say yes ill be the butt of the joke but then cry later when they call you a man. Same goes here. YOU promoted your 'line trap' role for a whole week, then you get bent out of shape when the show airs exactly what you promoted would happen.

You sold US ALL (transwomen) out in exchange for some Reality TV air time, and now you wants us to rally behind you and join hands singing Kumbaya as if we can't see right through the bullshit. I agree, no one has the right to call you a man. EVER. However, if you don't put your hand in fire, you won't get burned.

You had no business on that show playing the role of a line trap. I feel betrayed by YOUR actions as a member of my community, whom many young tgirls look up to. It was YOUR responsibility to say, "No, my gender is not something to be laughed at on national television."

You've been making your round on reality tv shows lately, (trying to land an acting or hosting job Im sure) This petition reeks of a failed attempt to get on headlines more than an act of advocacy.

[BellaBellucci]

I agree with Sunshyne here, I have been on set of a reality tv show just recently and know for a fact its staged and you know what is going on. It was a prank, and I am pretty sure the guy u were pranking knew it up front too! Reality tv is not reality its all staged for a reaction from people. Just own up to it, why is it such a bad thing now, after the fact? I dont think he should of called u a man but thats what happened. Its TV... look at Yasmine Lee, she was the butt of a joke in a huge movie, do u see her complaining??? No! She took it on and has done well for herself!

Yeah, Carmen's hypocrisy in this resonates with me as much as the Springer double-standard does. She kinda threw us under the bus for 30 seconds of fame. Cake Boss poured gasoline on the fire, but Carmen should have known better. I think everyone all around deserves this community an apology.

~BB~

[rydermorrison]

Carmen, YOU agreed to be the butt of the joke. What reaction were you hoping for? The role was set up for people to laugh at the 'Grand Reveal' and say "HAHA u fell for a MAN". If you really saw herself as a woman, there would be no joke for you to be a part of.... THAT was your role...to LURE MEN IN... TO TRICK THEM.... You cant go on jerry springer or maury and say yes ill be the butt of the joke but then cry later when they call you a man. Same goes here. YOU promoted your 'line trap' role for a whole week, then you get bent out of shape when the show airs exactly what you promoted would happen.

You sold US ALL (transwomen) out in exchange for some Reality TV air time, and now you wants us to rally behind you and join hands singing Kumbaya as if we can't see right through the bullshit. I agree, no one has the right to call you a man. EVER. However, if you don't put your hand in fire, you won't get burned.

You had no business on that show playing the role of a line trap. I feel betrayed by YOUR actions as a member of my community, whom many young tgirls look up to. It was YOUR responsibility to say, "No, my gender is not something to be laughed at on national television."

You've been making your round on reality tv shows lately, (trying to land an acting or hosting job Im sure) This petition reeks of a failed attempt to get on headlines more than an act of advocacy.

^^^ agreed. Carmen exploited trans women for personal gain... I am officially not a fan anymore..

[tsdvdman]

^^^ agreed. Carmen exploited trans women for personal gain... I am officially not a fan anymore..
I don't think you girls should be totally jumping all over her either. If you had the opportunity you would've done it too..for the $$$. Most of you promote being an escort with no shame and a dream of porn fame. She's just "caught up" tryin to keep her 5 minutes of shine going. You all will easily take a couple g's or whatever to have someone categorize you as a man.

[BellaBellucci]

I don't think you girls should be totally jumping all over her either. If you had the opportunity you would've done it too..for the $$$. Most of you promote being an escort with no shame and a dream of porn fame. She's just "caught up" tryin to keep her 5 minutes of shine going. You all will easily take a couple g's or whatever to have someone categorize you as a man.

Speak for Kelly. #epicfail

'That's a maaaaan, Maury!'

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

I don't think the man part is a big deal...that's how anyone will react...if they are tricked

I think the tricking should be what is focused on..

Just because a trans-woman is portrayed in a series with out the "man" terminology doesn't mean the viewer is gonna be like oh yep that's a woman..I should treat her as a woman

What it did show to the mainstream community is we are deceivers and think it's a game

The show made it out to be that passable trans girls get enjoyment and have fun tricking people...

And a whole load of us have done Maury Bella

Danielle, Allanah, Kimber, and more..

You and I agree to disagree - I think it shows how attractive trans-women can be...

And it's not the same as going to a bar and tricking a guy or on Jerry Springer where they trick men...and wigs are pulled off etc...

[rydermorrison]

I don't think you girls should be totally jumping all over her either. If you had the opportunity you would've done it too..for the $$$. Most of you promote being an escort with no shame and a dream of porn fame. She's just "caught up" tryin to keep her 5 minutes of shine going. You all will easily take a couple g's or whatever to have someone categorize you as a man.

ummm hell no.. i had a interview that was supposed to run in Reveal magazine. Did an interview and photo shoot for them. I pulled out of the deal when they ran a transphobic headline about Jenna Talakova ("Man Wins Beauty Pageants). I really wanted that check but their was no way my conscience would allow me to be involved with ppl like that...

[Kayden Harley]

You all will easily take a couple g's or whatever to have someone categorize you as a man.

you're talking out of your ass... You don't know 'us all' well enough to make that statement.

[Kayden Harley]

You all will easily take a couple g's or whatever to have someone categorize you as a man.


you're talking out of your ass... You don't know 'us all' well enough to make that statement.

In fact, a few months ago before I got my breast implants, I was offered a gig on a CD/TV porn site. I was offered a decent compensation, and I turned it down.

Not everyone is willing to throw their TRUE gender under the bus my friend. Please speak for yourself when talking about issues you know nothing about.

[rydermorrison]

In fact, a few months ago before I got my breast implants, I was offered a gig on a CD/TV porn site. I was offered a decent compensation, and I turned it down.

Not everyone is willing to throw their TRUE gender under the bus my friend. Please speak for yourself when talking about issues you know nothing about.

I think i was offered the same gig lol.., of course turned it down..

[GrimFusion]

I'm still not so sure this chick just straight sold out. Reality shows are back-handed as hell. I do kinda trust that they told her they were going one direction and changed it all post production. Nobody knows the details and everyone's filling in the blanks. A little benefit of doubt maybe?

Naive, though? Certainly. I agree with Sarah, Kayden, and Ryder in some regard. Carmen should have been smarter than that, especially when she's a union representative. *Cough!- She might be losing that job right quick -Ahem!*. She's partially at fault any way you look at it.

Wouldn't it be a huge mindscrew if we find out all of this is a ruse? She did the show willfully and voluntarily attacked it afterward just to cause a scene and get her name out? I'd laugh.

[Kayden Harley]

I'm still not so sure this chick just straight sold out. Reality shows are back-handed as hell. I do kinda trust that they told her they were going one direction and changed it all post production. Nobody knows the details and everyone's filling in the blanks. A little benefit of doubt maybe?


This proves MY case.

[Kayden Harley]

Wouldn't it be a huge mindscrew if we find out all of this is a ruse? She did the show willfully and voluntarily attacked it afterward just to cause a scene and get her name out? I'd laugh.

This is exactly what I suspect.

[tsdvdman]

In fact, a few months ago before I got my breast implants, I was offered a gig on a CD/TV porn site. I was offered a decent compensation, and I turned it down.

Not everyone is willing to throw their TRUE gender under the bus my friend. Please speak for yourself when talking about issues you know nothing about.

LMAO..There is NO comparison between what you were offered on that site and what type of show she was on on this major network. With all due respect... you wouldn't fit the type cast. I do seem to recall you postin lots of pics of yourself pre-implants..so one would argue in fact that you were a fool not to WORK that legal gig that was offered to you representing what you were.
And I stand by my opinion that most escorts (those who truly hustle for that almighty dollar and/or the claim to fame of porn) would take that gig in a New York minute. It's a no-brainer.

[Kayden Harley]

LMAO..There is NO comparison between what you were offered on that site and what type of show she was on on this major network. With all due respect... you wouldn't fit the type cast. I do seem to recall you postin lots of pics of yourself pre-implants..so one would argue in fact that you were a fool not to WORK that legal gig that was offered to you representing what you were.
And I stand by my opinion that most escorts (those who truly hustle for that almighty dollar and/or the claim to fame of porn) would take that gig in a New York minute. It's a no-brainer.

Passability, and lack of breast implants are not a Transition Scale. When I was offered that gig, I was already living FULL TIME as a Transgender Female, and months into my HRT. I turned down a gig in which I would have been paid to claim I was a man who dresses as a woman.

Now your changing your tune saying that 'MOST' would take that opportunity, but your initial claim was:
You all will easily take a couple g's or whatever to have someone categorize you as a man.

You were proven wrong. Deal with it.

[AcadiaVeneer]

I agree! She never should have taken the job, but they never should have called her a man.

I don't think the man part is a big deal...that's how anyone will react...if they are tricked

I think the tricking should be what is focused on..

Just because a trans-woman is portrayed in a series with out the "man" terminology doesn't mean the viewer is gonna be like oh yep that's a woman..I should treat her as a woman

What it did show to the mainstream community is we are deceivers and think it's a game

The show made it out to be that passable trans girls get enjoyment and have fun tricking people...

And a whole load of us have done Maury Bella

Danielle, Allanah, Kimber, and more..

You and I agree to disagree - I think it shows how attractive trans-women can be...

And it's not the same as going to a bar and tricking a guy or on Jerry Springer where they trick men...and wigs are pulled off etc...

[GrimFusion]

This proves MY case.

Last time I tried saying I didn't think it was cool to trick dudes or surprise them, I got put on blast and flamed for six posts about how "it's none of a dude's business". I still think it's a bad idea.

On the other hand:
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=477481&stc=1&d=1339624851
That image doesn't prove it was all a ruse. Only that she didn't think the trick wasn't a big deal. I agree that's good reason to add her to a shitlist, though.

[tsdvdman]

Passability, and lack of breast implants are not a Transition Scale. When I was offered that gig, I was already living FULL TIME as a Transgender Female, and months into my HRT. I turned down a gig in which I would have been paid to claim I was a man who dresses as a woman.

Now your changing your tune saying that 'MOST' would take that opportunity, but your initial claim was:

You were proven wrong. Deal with it.
Not sure how you figured to prove me wrong. You are a naive and inexperienced escort if you dont think most if not all tgirls (who hustle escorting) wouldn't take that gig. I'm not goin to get into a transition scale discussion..lack of implants..etc with you..or accept your "morals" clause mentality. The fact is (again with all due respect)..she got offered what she did (and did it)..and you got offered (appropriately) what you did..and didn't do it. Are there any mainstream TV channels knockin on your door?

[jamiethewild]

Ive never heard of this show does someone have a clip....I'm sorry but I don't understand what did you think was going to happen? Its not like you went on the show to teach people something?... You went on there to prank the dude.. to play a joke...so they made your the joke and now you upset... How did you think they would word it "that woman was not born a woman she is a transgendered woman" no doll they would say THAT'S A MAN...

:iagree:

Carmen shouldn't expect to be respected on the show more than anything she deserve what she sign up for ,
Carmen your not giving a good representation to the ts community your actually agreeing with a show that its ok to trick men and that how your going to educated society !

[SunshyneMonroe]

LMAO..There is NO comparison between what you were offered on that site and what type of show she was on on this major network. With all due respect... you wouldn't fit the type cast. I do seem to recall you postin lots of pics of yourself pre-implants..so one would argue in fact that you were a fool not to WORK that legal gig that was offered to you representing what you were.
And I stand by my opinion that most escorts (those who truly hustle for that almighty dollar and/or the claim to fame of porn) would take that gig in a New York minute. It's a no-brainer.

I Don't think the issue is that she did the show...they make offers like this all the time and most girls turn them down...I have always turned these things down like most girls because they ALWAYS make us out to be a joke...as far as money goes I can assure you they don't pay as much as you think lol i made more money today lol sitting at home...

The thing is she knew she was gonna be the joke but not made a fool of...She is acting as if she was doing the show for another reason other then personal gain she says she tho it was gonna be a positive thing for TS women. HOW??? How is you bleeding over taken pics of you ass in a public bar "fouling" a dude too think your a gg a positive thing for the ts community...She is mad that SHE was made a FOOL of not because they were disrespectful to TS women as a whole..

[Kayden Harley]

Not sure how you figured to prove me wrong. You are a naive and inexperienced escort if you dont think most if not all tgirls (who hustle escorting) wouldn't take that gig. I'm not goin to get into a transition scale discussion..lack of implants..etc with you..or accept your "morals" clause mentality. The fact is (again with all due respect)..she got offered what she did (and did it)..and you got offered (appropriately) what you did..and didn't do it. Are there any mainstream TV channels knockin on your door?

Whether MTV or ABS is knocking at my door is completely irrelevant. Yes, The Jerry Springer Show did contact me twice, to be a part of a 'reveal' episode, and I never even wrote back to them.

Again, you're changing your story. Initially (Which is what I am arguing) you claimed that "YOU ALL" would take the gig. All means every single tgirl on here. THAT is where you were wrong.

Now you're saying that most escorts would. And yes, I'm pretty sure most escorts WOULD take the gig. The difference here is that Carmen is smart Transwoman, who claims to be an advocate for Transgender Issues.

Cake boss is wrong for editing "That's a man" behind her back, and for even creating the role to begin with. Carmen is ALSO at fault though.

I know a lot of guys on here are willing to agree with a girl even when she is wrong because they hope it will get them into her pants, but I'm not one to follow the masses. If that doesn't sit too well with you, that's fine by me.

PS, I comment on issues that directly have an effect on my life. I know first hand what it means to be a Transgender Woman, hence why I added my 2 cents.

[loveboof]

I really like your avatar Sunshyne!

Also I agree with what you're saying here (but if Kayden's right, that might just be because I want to get in your pants... who knows)

[MrsKellyPierce]

I Don't think the issue is that she did the show...they make offers like this all the time and most girls turn them down...I have always turned these things down like most girls because they ALWAYS make us out to be a joke...as far as money goes I can assure you they don't pay as much as you think lol i made more money today lol sitting at home...

The thing is she knew she was gonna be the joke but not made a fool of...She is acting as if she was doing the show for another reason other then personal gain she says she tho it was gonna be a positive thing for TS women. HOW??? How is you bleeding over taken pics of you ass in a public bar "fouling" a dude too think your a gg a positive thing for the ts community...She is mad that SHE was made a FOOL of not because they were disrespectful to TS women as a whole..
^^^ this 100%

And no these shows do not pay that much..I was offered to do a Playboy show on model mayhem just recently and then a show for Gigolos and then a show for some other reality base show..all the shows were where I "trick" the guy....

I turned down all the offers and they were paying between 800 to 2000

[GrimFusion]

Not sure how you figured to prove me wrong. You are a naive and inexperienced escort if you dont think most if not all tgirls (who hustle escorting) wouldn't take that gig. I'm not goin to get into a transition scale discussion..lack of implants..etc with you..or accept your "morals" clause mentality. The fact is (again with all due respect)..she got offered what she did (and did it)..and you got offered (appropriately) what you did..and didn't do it. Are there any mainstream TV channels knockin on your door?

Reality shows don't pay that much, man. Neither do magazine interviews.
You make it sound as if gigs are unavoidable if you're money hungry, but several hundred dollars isn't enough to be money hungry over. A busy escort could make that up in a night. She clearly did it for the exposure and experience, not the money.

[Kayden Harley]

(but if Kayden's right, that might just be because I want to get in your pants... who knows)

you looking for a fight boof? lol:salad

[loveboof]

you looking for a fight boof? lol:salad

lol. Maybe :p

[jamiethewild]

I Don't think the issue is that she did the show...they make offers like this all the time and most girls turn them down...I have always turned these things down like most girls because they ALWAYS make us out to be a joke...as far as money goes I can assure you they don't pay as much as you think lol i made more money today lol sitting at home...

The thing is she knew she was gonna be the joke but not made a fool of...She is acting as if she was doing the show for another reason other then personal gain she says she tho it was gonna be a positive thing for TS women. HOW??? How is you bleeding over taken pics of you ass in a public bar "fouling" a dude too think your a gg a positive thing for the ts community...She is mad that SHE was made a FOOL of not because they were disrespectful to TS women as a whole..
:iagree::iagree:

i will always turn them out !!

[MrsKellyPierce]

I mean the regular cast members don't get paid that much of these reality shows


Look at the Real Housewives

or The Jersey Shore before they got their bigger pay off..

They don't make that much money

The real money comes in from promotions/branding/deals and other venues

Kim Zolaick from the Real Housewives of Atlanta is a Squatter she can't afford to pay for her rental home "yes rental"

And how many episodes have there been of that series??

Just cause you are on a reality show/tv show don't mean you got $$

[jamiethewild]

Not sure how you figured to prove me wrong. You are a naive and inexperienced escort if you dont think most if not all tgirls (who hustle escorting) wouldn't take that gig. I'm not goin to get into a transition scale discussion..lack of implants..etc with you..or accept your "morals" clause mentality. The fact is (again with all due respect)..she got offered what she did (and did it)..and you got offered (appropriately) what you did..and didn't do it. Are there any mainstream TV channels knockin on your door?

I been an escort for 2 yrs and i wouldn't degrade myself like that or be part of a show to be a joke !

[MrsKellyPierce]

FYI the creators of the show - are the ones that get the real money

[GrimFusion]

FYI the creators of the show - are the ones that get the real money

Ha! Unless we're talking big name reality shows, the camera crews earn more than the cast.
Where the transsexual production camera operators at? Those money hungry bitches! lol.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ha! Unless we're talking big name reality shows, the camera crews earn more than the cast.

Yeppers!!

[Kayden Harley]

Anonymous Posters who talk out of their asses (and often put their foot in their mouths) are why I rarely log on to forums anymore. There should be a system in place where users are forced to verify who they are much like we (performers) have to do before joining cam sites.

I know it's probably impossible to require that, but I really do wish more people had the balls to show face for the stupid comments they make on here.

[AcadiaVeneer]

of course its his buisness. No matter how passable I am or perfect my cunt could look, tricking guys is wrong... I am not ashamed of my past... It shows how strong and determined I am. If a man can't handle that then I guess I got lucky to weed that loser out ahead of time! "If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best"



Last time I tried saying I didn't think it was cool to trick dudes or surprise them, I got put on blast and flamed for six posts about how "it's none of a dude's business". I still think it's a bad idea.

On the other hand:
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=477481&stc=1&d=1339624851
That image doesn't prove it was all a ruse. Only that she didn't think the trick wasn't a big deal. I agree that's good reason to add her to a shitlist, though.

[MrsKellyPierce]

What I am guessing from a PR stand point..she did the show..for controversy

The controversy will bring attention..then get interviews..then from there more roles..

[Kayden Harley]

of course its his buisness. No matter how passable I am or perfect my cunt could look, tricking guys is wrong... I am not ashamed of my past... It shows how strong and determined I am. If a man can't handle that then I guess I got lucky to weed that loser out ahead of time! "If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best"

:werd: ^^^ Agreed. It's also a dangerous practice. Ignorant, hate filled people are capable of having very negative, even violent reactions to 'tricking'.

[jamiethewild]

Just look at Miriam Rivera example she agree to be in a show to trick guys what makes you think she might not do it in her personal life , thats why she almost got killed !

[onmyknees]

Carmen....Let me get this straight....you came on here seeking sympathy for being treated unfairly, and your gig on the show was to punk a dude ? Do I have that right? I got sucked in by your sob story....that won't happen again. The whole premise is fucked up. Grim is correct...that ploy is no joke, it's a dangerous game. I've said this before.....I know 2 dudes doing long stints because some variation of this didn't turn out all that well.

[GrimFusion]

Anonymous Posters who talk out of their asses (and often put their foot in their mouths) are why I rarely log on to forums anymore. There should be a system in place where users are forced to verify who they are much like we (performers) have to do before joining cam sites.

I know it's probably impossible to require that, but I really do wish more people had the balls to show face for the stupid comments they make on here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/grimfusion/easy.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/grimfusion/sign.jpg

I used to be a member on whatthedilly.com. They shut down years ago, but they required sign pics before you were allowed to post in the forum.

[SunshyneMonroe]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/grimfusion/easy.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/grimfusion/sign.jpg

I used to be a member on whatthedilly.com. They shut down years ago, but they required sign pics before you were allowed to post in the forum.

Hey your kinda cute there Grim :)

[Kayden Harley]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/grimfusion/easy.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/grimfusion/sign.jpg

I used to be a member on whatthedilly.com. They shut down years ago, but they required sign pics before you were allowed to post in the forum.

See, this is a GOOD thing then! lol

[GrimFusion]

Hey your kinda cute there Grim :)

Thanks. You look so :whoa ...
You look very :love1 ...
You're so... um...

You're gorgeous! :salad

[MrsKellyPierce]

I loved The Dilly

[BellaBellucci]

Hey your kinda cute there Grim :)

Back off! He's mine! :lol:

Nah, I'm just playing. He's got a girlfriend with a vagina. *gasp!*

~BB~

[GrimFusion]

Back off! He's mine! :lol:

Nah, I'm just playing. He's got a girlfriend with a vagina. *gasp!*

~BB~

Why you gotta out me like that and ruin my game? Cockblocker. lol.
I don't mind a little flirt 'n' tease, but I'm a waste of time otherwise.

[robertlouis]

Back off! He's mine! :lol:

Nah, I'm just playing. He's got a girlfriend with a vagina. *gasp!*

~BB~

Lots of guys on HA are the same, BB, but they're usually called "wives" lol.

[TSMichelleAustin]

The reality shows dont pay shit! She knew what she was going through, she cant play the crying game people!!! She is seeking attention. I think what happened someone contacted her after the show aired and said WTF were you thinking... and read her the riot act. So she retracted by saying what she said here, that she is the victim. No shes not the victim... and I will tell this again, the guy who she was FOOLING, Knew up front the situation, it was all acted out. She knew that, they tape more than once!!!

Fooling guys is dangerous, I knew girls who I watched fooled guys and got beat up, and almost died before I transitioned. I would never fool a guy in my life! That is one fucked up thing! I even tell post ops to not lead men on, because one day they will find out and feel betrayed and may even kill you! Its not a good idea for anyone!

[Ben]

Canada seems more progressive:

Ontario amends Human Rights Code to extend protections to transgender people:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Ontario+amends+Human+Rights+Code+extend+protection s+transgender+people/6776765/story.html

[irvin66]

Signed. It was sad for you Carmen, that they behaved that way. But I'm sure you do well further in life because you seem like a strong person that does not give up so easily. Continued success Carmen!

[BellaBellucci]

Thankfully, some in the media are already seeing this for what it is.

http://planetransgender.blogspot.com/2012/06/carmen-carrera-you-set-yourself-up-for.html?m=1

~BB~

[rydermorrison]

Thankfully, some in the media are already seeing this for what it is.

http://planetransgender.blogspot.com/2012/06/carmen-carrera-you-set-yourself-up-for.html?m=1

~BB~

Kelli Busey is a smart lady. I had the pleasure of doing an interview with her and Frock magazine a few months ago..

[GrimFusion]

Damn. I really do try to think the best of people before I get a good sense of what they're capable of. I was kinda rethinking my position two pages ago, but now it's more than clear Carmen is just a big attention whore and purposely manipulating the trans community against TLC. I'm no fan of TLC. It's just the next in a line of TV networks that used to have a purpose and deviated. I guess I was so quick to jump the bandwagon because I've heard stories about how dishonest reality shows can be post-production. It was an easy pill to swallow before I read into more of the details.

I feel dumb now. lol.

[BellaBellucci]

'Everyone in this room is now dumber having listened to that.'

Name the movie. :lol:

~BB~

[Dino Velvet]

'Everyone in this room is now dumber having listened to that.'

Name the movie. :lol:

~BB~

Everyone in This Room is Now DUMBER for Having Listened to It - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkodTydUR0E)

[BellaBellucci]

Everyone in This Room is Now DUMBER for Having Listened to It - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkodTydUR0E)

... and may God have mercy on your soul. :lol:

~BB~

[ValerieNelson]

Damn. I really do try to think the best of people before I get a good sense of what they're capable of. I was kinda rethinking my position two pages ago, but now it's more than clear Carmen is just a big attention whore and purposely manipulating the trans community against TLC. I'm no fan of TLC. It's just the next in a line of TV networks that used to have a purpose and deviated. I guess I was so quick to jump the bandwagon because I've heard stories about how dishonest reality shows can be post-production. It was an easy pill to swallow before I read into more of the details.

I feel dumb now. lol.

You're not alone there. :sadcry:sadcry:sadcry

[maddygirl]

Yeah it wasn't a good idea to agree to do that hun. People are ignorant and sometimes downright rude and given that you knew the reason you were on the show was to mislead the guy into thinking you were a born-female, you have to get a thicker skin. Going on a show where the only purpose of you being there is to "trick" someone isn't going to benefit the trans community in any shape or form. Things like this are the reason why I don't tell tons of people I'm trans. Why deal with extra bullshit when we've got enough to deal with already. Not everyone's gonna accept you as a woman or know the right terminology... especially stupid, ignorant men. I feel bad for you but I can't say you didn't set yourself up.

[scroller]

So apparently someone got pranked/tricked, eh? Either you're in favor of pranking or you're not. That's how most con jobs work.

[scroller]

According to MSNBC, Cake Boss has apologized and TLC pulled the episode from rotation:

http://theclicker.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/14/12221867-cake-boss-issues-apology-after-transgender-prank

[Kayden Harley]

Thankfully, some in the media are already seeing this for what it is.

http://planetransgender.blogspot.com/2012/06/carmen-carrera-you-set-yourself-up-for.html?m=1

~BB~

Amazing.. It's almost like the words were taken right out of our mouths... Why isn't there a petition for HER public apology?

Also, interesting how when WE mentioned our doubts about this situation on here, we were accused of 'jumping all over' it. Now that someone blogs about it, everyone is on board. Right.

[Token Williams-Black]

I never signed toe petition because I knew better.

[nina_lisa]

Not the smartest prank out there, but to to and scream: that is a man.

This is simply insulting and disrespectful.

[BellaBellucci]

Amazing.. It's almost like the words were taken right out of our mouths... Why isn't there a petition for HER public apology?

Also, interesting how when WE mentioned our doubts about this situation on here, we were accused of 'jumping all over' it. Now that someone blogs about it, everyone is on board. Right.

Sweetheart, welcome to my world. The real forward thinkers seldom get the credit. :geek:

~BB~

[lifeisfiction]

Sweetheart, welcome to my world. The real forward thinkers seldom get the credit. :geek:

~BB~

Its very true. Still, many people like me didn't see the episode and at the time there was no reason to doubt her statements as being mislead by TLC. You did your homework Bella, and I should have done mine.

[buttslinger]

I'm going back and sign again!! BITCHES!!!

[TSMichelleAustin]

And do you all notice she has not come in here to defend but if u look at that blog, she leaves a comment for that blogger to contact her manager for an interview, because the blogger has it all wrong! LMAO!!!

GIRL JUST FACE UP TO IT! U DID IT FOR ATTENTION! And us trans women are not being fooled by it! Now you cant face the ones who are wanting you to apologize!

[Kayden Harley]

And do you all notice she has not come in here to defend but if u look at that blog, she leaves a comment for that blogger to contact her manager for an interview, because the blogger has it all wrong! LMAO!!!

GIRL JUST FACE UP TO IT! U DID IT FOR ATTENTION! And us trans women are not being fooled by it! Now you cant face the ones who are wanting you to apologize!

Again, no petition calling for her apology. Here is another interesting read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/carmen-carrera-discusses-_n_1599651.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008

[flabbybody]

If Carmen's reaction to her degradation is rehearsed drama to garner attention then it certainly worked. I kinda admire her for her clever manipulation of the media. I understand her appearance on the show did nothing to advance tansgendered issues but had she turned down the role some other girl would have done it.
There's never a shortage of opportunists.

[rydermorrison]

Well they were looking for a drag queen initially.. They were contacting the contestants from rupauls drag race. If they had used one of them it would have been totally accurate to say "thats a man!"...

[lifeisfiction]

I'm going back and sign again!! BITCHES!!!


She is hot and I know your joking slinger (I hope you are). I couldn't kiss someone's ass unless I am actually kissing their ass. I have to admit she does have a really nice ass.



If Carmen's reaction to her degradation is rehearsed drama to garner attention then it certainly worked. I kinda admire her for her clever manipulation of the media. I understand her appearance on the show did nothing to advance tansgendered issues but had she turned down the role some other girl would have done it.
There's never a shortage of opportunists.


At what point would want to risk you reputation for a short lived moment of fame. Your reputation will speak to your character. Too risky.

[tsdvdman]

If Carmen's reaction to her degradation is rehearsed drama to garner attention then it certainly worked. I kinda admire her for her clever manipulation of the media. I understand her appearance on the show did nothing to advance tansgendered issues but had she turned down the role some other girl would have done it.
There's never a shortage of opportunists.
Thank You..that's exactly what I was saying earlier

[Odelay]

About 4 or 5 years ago, one of the Moderators, can't remember which one, said something to the effect of... "Every girl who comes onto Hung Angels is selling something."

Obviously it's overstatement but every member has to decide for themselves if a girl is selling or not. Looks like the decision on Carmen wasn't too difficult.

[lifeisfiction]

About 4 or 5 years ago, one of the Moderators, can't remember which one, said something to the effect of... "Every girl who comes onto Hung Angels is selling something."

Obviously it's overstatement but every member has to decide for themselves if a girl is selling or not. Looks like the decision on Carmen wasn't too difficult.

I wonder if anyone has any specials this week. I am sort of in the mood for window shopping.

[a994]

You got my signature.

[magicmost]

Carmen is a very smart & pretty girl, i can understand the jealousy.

[BellaBellucci]

Here's a new petition to Maury and Springer.

It's about damn time, isn't it? :?

https://www.change.org/petitions/stop-exploiting-transgender-women

~BB~

[a994]

Exactly. And class, what did we learn? :lol:



Remember the good ol' days when we had Donahue and Oprah instead of Jerry and Maury? :yayo:

~BB~


That was back when people in this country could still read.

[bluesoul]

i have to say, this was an amazing read. if you start from the first post to this last one- it's kinda like the very reality shows being condemned

and there (my friends) lies the true lesson

bonne nuit

[TSLexiWade]

Signed. <3

[bluesoul]

Signed. <3

are you aware of what you signed and why you signed it? it might be embarrassing when you do :pumped:

[BellaBellucci]

are you aware of what you signed and why you signed it? it might be embarrassing when you do :pumped:

Muahahahaha! :smoking

~BB~