The Real Unanswered Question From The Film PROMETHUES

[Cecil Rhodes]

Is David a FAG ?

[robertlouis]

Is David a FAG ?

Is that a plot spoiler? You rotten bastard, Rhodes. As if fucking up southern Africa wasn't enough, now this. lol

[Cecil Rhodes]

Is that a plot spoiler? You rotten bastard, Rhodes. As if fucking up southern Africa wasn't enough, now this. lol

i could have asked if Vickers / Charlize Theron has Velt-Fever instead . Btw, i built Southern Africa .

[robertlouis]

i could have asked if Vickers / Charlize Theron has Velt-Fever instead . Btw, i built Southern Africa .

Stoppit, damn you! I must be the only one on the board that hasn't seen it yet.

Yes, you did build Southern Africa, but you didn't get planning permission first.

Mugabe must just love you.... :whistle:

[lifeisfiction]

Spolier alert:


It is my rule for every film I make to contain an andriod. I feel having a human cheated by an andriods allows the andriod to appear human, because andriods should be against sexual intimacy. They are the enunchs of the new frontier who can only get their sexual excitement by scewing with human lives. My movie is designed to ensure you will return to a sequel that will not answer your questions, but will only heap on more unanswered questions.

[Cecil Rhodes]

Stoppit, damn you! I must be the only one on the board that hasn't seen it yet.

Yes, you did build Southern Africa, but you didn't get planning permission first.

Mugabe must just love you.... :whistle:

Robert Mug-ape only loves one ...... himself

And i did have planning permission . The only thing i didn't do was complete that darn railroad from Cape Town to Cairo

[Cecil Rhodes]

Spolier alert:

Androids are Male ...... Gynoids are Female ....... Deckert was Human

[lifeisfiction]

Gynoid is only used in sci-fi writings, never in movies. Sci-fi movies makes up their own rules. Thats why I am curious about the new Total Recall, because the original story "We can Remember it Wholesale" had a great plot twist. And this verison is sticking closer to the plot.

[trish]

WARNING: You shouldn't be reading this thread if you haven't seen Prometheus but plan to do so.


Is David a FAG ?
It's a legitimate, if indelicately phrased, question given David's deep admiration of T.E. Lawrence as portrayed by Peter O'Toole in the film Lawrence of Arabia. David is even named after David Lean...or is he named after the Michelangelo statue of David, the perfectly proportioned classic standard of male beauty.

However there seems to nothing else in Prometheus that pertains to David's sexual orientation. In Lawrence of Arabia, David Lean paints a Lawrence who is overwhelmed by a Nietzschean desire to overcome himself, his pain, his sexuality and his human boundaries...to become (in Walter Kaufmann's translation) the "overman." In Prometheus the character David is persistently quoting David Lean's Lawence and consistently those quotes that emphasize the Nietzschean cast of the character.

"I choose to believe" the David in Prometheus has feeling, desires and emotions and he doesn't want them. He's sublimating them just as Lawrence in David Lean's film sublimates pain.

[lifeisfiction]

Great anaylsis Trish :D I don't know if you like the Matrix, but I would love to discuss that movie someday with you. I assuming you have some great insights.

[trish]

Great anaylsis Trish :D I don't know if you like the Matrix, but I would love to discuss that movie someday with you. I assuming you have some great insights.Thanks. I did really like the Matrix and it would be fun to discuss it sometime, but I think I'd have to watch it again first.

ONCE AGAIN DON'T READ BEYOND THIS POINT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE:

In Prometheus, I thought it became pretty clear that those canisters were stockpiled bio-weapons. The guy I went to see the movie with insisted those were the stored souls of our alien progenitors. Am I crazy, is he crazy or are we both crazy? Discuss amongst yourselves.

The opening scene possibly shows how the mutant genes were introduced to Earth that gave birth to intelligent life. If so, our geneses required a sacrifice. But what went wrong? Are we even more threatening to the galaxy than the alien reptiles with acid blood? The ultimate question of the film seems to be, "Why does God hate us?" (Possible answer: He hates us for our freedom :) )

[BluegrassCat]

The ultimate question of the film seems to be, "Why does God hate us?" (Possible answer: He hates us for our freedom :) )

Great line, Trish.

I think they made David effeminate so audiences would find him more sinister. Gay apparently still = Evil.

[BluegrassCat]

In Prometheus, I thought it became pretty clear that those canisters were stockpiled bio-weapons. The guy I went to see the movie with insisted those were the stored souls of our alien progenitors. Am I crazy, is he crazy or are we both crazy? Discuss amongst yourselves.

The opening scene possibly shows how the mutant genes were introduced to Earth that gave birth to intelligent life.


So I thought they were weapons too but didn't the sacrifice at the beginning come from drinking the same stuff? Does that make it multi-purpose, like Pledge? Life-creating for Engineers but perverting for worms and humans (and why were there worms there that didn't show up on their scanners)? And if it is a weapon why was one of the Engineers running towards the stuff when he lost his head?

If the sequel uses Jesus to answer any of these questions, I'll be pissed. Jesus is already over-used as an explanation in the real world. I don't need him ruining my sci-fi.

[Quinn]

http://www.yarntomato.com/images/misc/fruitcake.jpg

[BluegrassCat]

I love pizza.

[trish]

So I thought they were weapons too but didn't the sacrifice at the beginning come from drinking the same stuff?
Same technology, but perhaps not the same stuff.


... if it is a weapon why was one of the Engineers running towards the stuff when he lost his head.Troubling question. To attempt to contain it? To save his "soul"? To protect the canisters from something else?

I agree, if Jebus,soul or any other hocus locus is invoked to answer these questions I'll be sorely disappointed. However, I have faith...in Ridley Scot.

[Cecil Rhodes]

Thanks. I did really like the Matrix and it would be fun to discuss it sometime, but I think I'd have to watch it again first.

ONCE AGAIN DON'T READ BEYOND THIS POINT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE:

In Prometheus, I thought it became pretty clear that those canisters were stockpiled bio-weapons. The guy I went to see the movie with insisted those were the stored souls of our alien progenitors. Am I crazy, is he crazy or are we both crazy? Discuss amongst yourselves.

The opening scene possibly shows how the mutant genes were introduced to Earth that gave birth to intelligent life. If so, our geneses required a sacrifice. But what went wrong? Are we even more threatening to the galaxy than the alien reptiles with acid blood? The ultimate question of the film seems to be, "Why does God hate us?" (Possible answer: He hates us for our freedom :) )

Read the link from the other thread . I got most of it myself watching the movie . It explains the black liquid .

[Cecil Rhodes]

The black liquid is not evil in itself . It takes on the attributes of the Host . Since man had become an obamination, so to did the liquid when ingestide . The Alien & Alien Vs Predator movies shows that by the differences in the Aliens / Monsters . Also the liquid did nothing / had no reaction to David because he was a machine .

[Jamie French]

Everything you need to know about Prometheus in 4 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

[shaustin]

Everything you need to know about Prometheus in 4 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

I never planned to see this until it comes out on dvd, but after getting hyped for it 2 or 3 years ago when it was in pre-production, reading about it online, then reading these threads about it, this video made me feel warm inside. I think now I can finally watch it without going into it with ANY expectations what so ever. Simply watching something for basic enjoyment, just because, with no pressure.

[Stavros]

Mary Shelley sub-titled her novel Frankenstein, The New Prometheus. The point is that just as the gods created in Prometheus the agent who deprived them of their exclusive access to fire, giving it to humans, so Frankenstein creates an alternative human being whom he then is unable to control, and who ends his life, he becomes a monster. Shelley's book is part of the 19th century theme of romantic anti-capitalism, where the emergence of machinery as the transformation of work which used to be done by hands, also, and progressively through the century, takes place in factory environments where -to borrow from Marx- workers are de-humanised in the very act of producing wealth to which they have no access. Wagner's Ring Cycle can be interpreted as another form of romantic anti-capitalism; ditto the work of the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood.

The Greek myth concerns the way that humans beings re-interpreted the story of life as something made by them, rather than by -or in spite of- the Gods, so the core theme in Prometheus old and new is, what do we do with power when alone have control over it?

The film is confusing precisely because it does not match the examples of the Greek Myth or Shelley, but instead seems closer to Invasion of the Body Snatchers with its pods of human clones, which is what I assume is found on the planet -except that these are alternatives to humans.

So is Prometheus a critique of 'Gods plan'? Of humankind and an assumption that humans are destructive? Is it suggesting that all humans are aliens, formed from the microscopic genes that filter through the atmosphere or ride in on a meteorite to germinate and breed -and is this deliberate or accidental? If it was clear I don't think we would be having these conversations.

[danifan]

I think David is asexual. He has no wishes, desires or emotions (as evidenced by the black goo not reacting to him) but is programmed for loyalty to Wayland. He wasn't effeminate but being an android, only an approximation of a human. If he had been an I, Robot-looking android, I doubt his sexuality would be an issue as he wouldn't appear to be human and we wouldn't anthropomorhise him.

I think he relates to Lawrence of Arabia in the movie (for whatever reason, I haven't seen that film and know little about him to comment) but the only company David has are movies and watching dreams. He lives vicariously through while waiting for the crew to awaken, the mission to start and his ruole as assigned by Wayland to recommence...

However, I think Wayland may have created him as an idealised son, so there's the potential for narcissitic or semi-homosexual (though not necessarily physically intimate) motivations for his creation of David...

[Stavros]

I think that the David character might be named after David Lean as another poster has suggested, if there is a tenuous link to history it could be as a facilitator -Lawrence was initially sent to the Middle East as an archaeologist/spy and did publish something on crusader castles in the region before becoming an intermediary between the Crown and Hussein ibn Ali, the Hashemite Sharif of Mecca at the time, and then advising Hussein's second son Faisal on guerilla warfare against Ottoman forces -but he was hardly dispassionate about the Arab Revolt in the way we assume the android David should be dispassionate about the project in Prometheus.

Lawrence, when he retired to Cloud's Hill in Dorset, used to pay squaddies to visit him and give him a beating, usually with a stick rather like a broom handle. There is at least one record of him ejaculating when beaten, but no evidence that direct sexual contact with men took place then or at any other time. The assumption has been that he acquired a taste for flogging when he was flogged in the town of Dera'a (on the Syrian side of the border with Jordan) while spying on Ottoman troop placements therre. He was not known to have anything but friendly relations with women, including Getrude Bell, the flaming red-head who was a pioneer in the Middle East and far more influential on British policy making in the region than Lawrence. There is an obsession with Lawrence in the UK and I don't understand it except as some sort of schoolboy fetish for something called 'Heroes', whatever that is.
Michael Fassbender is certainly going to have a good career anyway.

[Quinn]

Everything you need to know about Prometheus in 4 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

LMFAO... Hysterical.

[robertlouis]

Having finally seen the movie, it's obvious. Of course David's gay. Have you never been on a long-haul flight where pampered twats spend the time resting or complaining while the cabin staff, usually managed by a very capable gay guy, do all the work?

[Ts-Martine]

I simply cannot effin wait for the porno version of this movie xD

[SpoogeMonkey]

David is called david because hes the 4th android and thus had to be named something beginning with D.

[BluegrassCat]

David is called david because hes the 4th android and thus had to be named something beginning with D.

I never noticed that before: Ash, Bishop, Call, David.

[Quinn]

Maybe, instead of being gay, he's just English (an English Android). It's a perfectly understandable mistake. ;)