Question For The Ladies On Dating Certain Types Of Guys

[RangeHova]

OK, a friend and I were talking about dating TS women and what we get from it. Niether of us in involved at the moment with but he had a 6 year relationship with a friend of my ex who I was with for 5 years.

We both talked about how when it came to TS women, we both tended to pace ourselves. Being around the scene (both of our exes are fulltime performers and pageant queens) you learn just how bad the girls view the guys that go from girl to girl to girl.

But both of us had contemplated only dating TS women. Not to so much that we were looking for all the tranny sex that we could get but just as a means to finding that Mrs. Right. Think about it, no matter how many pretty girls you find it is still just as much of a crap shoot for the guys as it is for the girls. Like they say, you gotta kiss a lot of frogs.

My question, is how would you view a respectable guy (who is not extra hot to get in your panties, not dick crazy, not dating this 3, 4, or 5 girls at a time) that only dated TS women? Would he be thrown in that chaser box? How could you handle if this ‘good guy’ had been with a girl (or 2, what about 3)?

I’m not asking would you casually date him, sleep w/ him, or what not. I’m asking could you see yourself in a serious, committed long term relationship?

[GrimFusion]

OK, a friend and I were talking about dating TS women and what we get from it. Niether of us in involved at the moment ...BLAH, BLAH, BLAH... you see yourself in a serious, committed long term relationship?

I really doubt you're going to get a uniform answer from this post, as each chick is obviously going to have a different opinion, and when you factor in the enherent selfishness and shallowness of human nature, it really boils down to what he looks like first.

If you really think about it, you don't go walking down the street talking to everyone you pass by. You search them out based on physical attributes, then find out if her personality sucks later. Anyone who says personality before looks is full of shit. It's all about sex appeal first and foremost.

[dabaldone]

Very good question! I too have been in a LTR with a TS. Come on ladies, enlighten us with your wisdom. :soapbox

[RangeHova]

I feel what you are sayin Grim, I was just lookin for a general feeling from the different girls on the board.

I'm sure it's all relative to all kinds of things. I've seen how a guy dating the wrong girl will make others run from him like he's a huricane and I've seen how the right girl can make T-women flock to him just because of the girl .

Because I dated my ex, who I guess has some kind of TS status in the community, and as soon as her name is dropped (never by me, that is tacky) I've seen girls seek me out w/o even seeing me first. Just to say 'I was with so and so's ex husband'. The showgirl/pageant scene is something else.

I don't really understand why who you used to date would make you wanna date or fuck somebody but I don't mind the results.

[reelgurl]

Who you used to date is kind of important because it reflects your tastes. Gurls don't like exes that are too trashy, but not too threatening either. You'd better keep them all in the same league. Consistency is important.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

i guess that it really all depends on the person.

how genuine a person is and their character is shown through time.

you have no idea how many times i have heard guys say-oh im looking for this, and this, and this and it was all just a bunch of lies.

i guess i am pretty weary and skeptical of most men- at least their intentions. i do give everyone the benefit of the doubt-and have been known to be wrong, but it is my experience that i was only involved in one relationship in my life where i knew the persob loved me and wanted me, not because i was a tranny, but he loved me for me. we lived together for two years and he had no absolute interest in my penis. which was cool- it did not bother me because i was sexually fulfilled in many other ways.

at this point in my life though i dont really have room for a relationship or dating. it takes a very understanding person to want to really pursue a relationship with me- not because of how i am- but because of my career, schedule, etc.

relationships do take a lot of time and effort- and right now i do not have the energy to spare to be in one. so i work on myself and my life.

if the right man came a long then yes i would be open to it.

i don't label anyone as a tranny chaser , or a mess, until they prove it to me. i have gone out with guys who dated a lot of other girls- and those experiences usually ended badly because they were just really hungry for the next tranny.

but like i said, i am an open minded woman. i definately can't date a man who is dick hungry- because there are many times when i am having sex that i am not really interested in using my penis. that feeling comes and gos. i will tell you this- whatever man i end up with me will have to love me for me and not because i am 'allanah starr', or have a cock, or what have u- it's because of the person i am and not what i have in between my legs.

[RangeHova]

I guess it is a catch 22.

yeah, I love TS women. But not BECAUSE of the dick. I appreaciate it but when I dated a post op girl I didn't miss it. She still gave me that thing that I get from TS women (that added attention to detail, a little glamour every now and then, style, romance, and appreaciation of a good guy).

No offense to the board, but I think 90% of the guys who like TS women are about dick dick and more dick. So I can understand why a TS woman would be leary of a guy who was so into TS women.

It's come back to bite me when I dated a girl (who wanted some head) when i gave it to her and did it the way it should have been done. After that she just knew I was dick hungry and became leery of me when all i was doing was giving her what she wanted.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

i guess that it really all depends on the person.

how genuine a person is and their character is shown through time.

you have no idea how many times i have heard guys say-oh im looking for this, and this, and this and it was all just a bunch of lies.

i guess i am pretty weary and skeptical of most men- at least their intentions. i do give everyone the benefit of the doubt-and have been known to be wrong, but it is my experience that i was only involved in one relationship in my life where i knew the persob loved me and wanted me, not because i was a tranny, but he loved me for me. we lived together for two years and he had no absolute interest in my penis. which was cool- it did not bother me because i was sexually fulfilled in many other ways.

at this point in my life though i dont really have room for a relationship or dating. it takes a very understanding person to want to really pursue a relationship with me- not because of how i am- but because of my career, schedule, etc.

relationships do take a lot of time and effort- and right now i do not have the energy to spare to be in one. so i work on myself and my life.

if the right man came a long then yes i would be open to it.

i don't label anyone as a tranny chaser , or a mess, until they prove it to me. i have gone out with guys who dated a lot of other girls- and those experiences usually ended badly because they were just really hungry for the next tranny.

but like i said, i am an open minded woman. i definately can't date a man who is dick hungry- because there are many times when i am having sex that i am not really interested in using my penis. that feeling comes and gos. i will tell you this- whatever man i end up with me will have to love me for me and not because i am 'allanah starr', or have a cock, or what have u- it's because of the person i am and not what i have in between my legs.

Co-sign! Well said Allanah. :wink:

P.S. Love the new avatar! 8)

~Kisses.

HTG

[DJ_Asia]

i guess that it really all depends on the person.

how genuine a person is and their character is shown through time.

you have no idea how many times i have heard guys say-oh im looking for this, and this, and this and it was all just a bunch of lies.

i guess i am pretty weary and skeptical of most men- at least their intentions. i do give everyone the benefit of the doubt-and have been known to be wrong, but it is my experience that i was only involved in one relationship in my life where i knew the persob loved me and wanted me, not because i was a tranny, but he loved me for me. we lived together for two years and he had no absolute interest in my penis. which was cool- it did not bother me because i was sexually fulfilled in many other ways.

at this point in my life though i dont really have room for a relationship or dating. it takes a very understanding person to want to really pursue a relationship with me- not because of how i am- but because of my career, schedule, etc.

relationships do take a lot of time and effort- and right now i do not have the energy to spare to be in one. so i work on myself and my life.

if the right man came a long then yes i would be open to it.

i don't label anyone as a tranny chaser , or a mess, until they prove it to me. i have gone out with guys who dated a lot of other girls- and those experiences usually ended badly because they were just really hungry for the next tranny.

but like i said, i am an open minded woman. i definately can't date a man who is dick hungry- because there are many times when i am having sex that i am not really interested in using my penis. that feeling comes and gos. i will tell you this- whatever man i end up with me will have to love me for me and not because i am 'allanah starr', or have a cock, or what have u- it's because of the person i am and not what i have in between my legs.

Many rumours floating around the internet regarding Camilla de Castro,some not so flattering.The first reason that came to the surface after she passed away was that she was depressed and ultimately took her own life because she was unable to find a man to lover her for her,and not because she was Camilla the famous porn queen. Regardless of the reasons(s) im sure that finding true love for a girl in the industry is hard.

I have dated many girls,both here in Thailand,Brasil and in America,many of which were escorts and/or film stars.Its a tough life for the girl,and a tough relationship to be in from a mans perspective as well.

Being involved in this industry from behind the camera as I usually am,also has cost me dearly.Many a girl I've met once they find out who I am and what I do for a living,suddenly adopt many prejudices about me as a person,many of which simply arent true.I've also met girls who are site owner groupies too...bouncing from one site owner to the next...figure that one out!

I would venture to guess that I've been with more girls than most guys here on this board.Ultimately my goal is to find 1 girl who I can spend the rest of my life with,but like was mentioned before,you gotta kiss alot of frogs to find her.But like Allanah said,a person who gets involved with me needs to respect my job and career and realize that I spend alot of time with some stunning girls while they are buck ass naked...and most girls cannot handle that,anymore than most guys cant handle dating an escort of porn star.

DJ Asia

[cheribaum]

i guess that it really all depends on the person.

how genuine a person is and their character is shown through time.

you have no idea how many times i have heard guys say-oh im looking for this, and this, and this and it was all just a bunch of lies.

i guess i am pretty weary and skeptical of most men- at least their intentions. i do give everyone the benefit of the doubt-and have been known to be wrong, but it is my experience that i was only involved in one relationship in my life where i knew the persob loved me and wanted me, not because i was a tranny, but he loved me for me. we lived together for two years and he had no absolute interest in my penis. which was cool- it did not bother me because i was sexually fulfilled in many other ways.

at this point in my life though i dont really have room for a relationship or dating. it takes a very understanding person to want to really pursue a relationship with me- not because of how i am- but because of my career, schedule, etc.

relationships do take a lot of time and effort- and right now i do not have the energy to spare to be in one. so i work on myself and my life.

if the right man came a long then yes i would be open to it.

i don't label anyone as a tranny chaser , or a mess, until they prove it to me. i have gone out with guys who dated a lot of other girls- and those experiences usually ended badly because they were just really hungry for the next tranny.

but like i said, i am an open minded woman. i definately can't date a man who is dick hungry- because there are many times when i am having sex that i am not really interested in using my penis. that feeling comes and gos. i will tell you this- whatever man i end up with me will have to love me for me and not because i am 'allanah starr', or have a cock, or what have u- it's because of the person i am and not what i have in between my legs.

DITTO,yeah what she said. Maybe now guys will "get" that we arent all about our dicks

[rick_932]

this is a great thread. wish there were more like this around here instead of the usual dick observation threads. ive been wondering some of the same things as the original threadstarter and look forward to hearing more of the girls' opinion about this.

[hondarobot]

Most TS girls, practically all of them, don't want guys to have any interest in their girldick.

Fact.

They wouldn't have gone through all the time, expense, and effort to become girls just to have attention placed on their dick.

Fair enough.

Most TS girls keep their dick, vs SRS, because of obvious and unavoidable complications and severe drawbacks associated with the proceedure.

Said complications and whatnot suck, it's not a perfect world, and surgical pussy is what it is. It's unfortunate that that is the case, but it is.

Most TS girls will, in the long run, have to deal with the fact that they will always have a dick.

Most of the "manly, 100% straight guys" TS girls want to have a LTR with, would not have a LTR with a girl with a dick. "100% straight guys" like self-lubricating, baby making pussy.

I'm not being mean, this is reality.

Guys that like girls that have a dick are shunned by TS girls, because "tranny chasers" don't make them feel like a girl.

Lots of sad, frustrated people. I see them all the time at work.

I've never seen a long term TS/"100% straight guy" relationship.

I haven't met a lot of guys who openly admit to wanting TS girls for a LTR.

I've never seen a "100% straight guy" pursue a TS long term, personally.

Facts.

Get the hell over it, girls. It's not "all about your dick", but only a crazy person would be long term with a girl and just pretend it's not there. We don't want you for your dick, but we do like the fact you have one. This isn't fantasy land, and things work both ways.

You can chase after bullshit and go crazy, or you can start to think about how to deal with the world.

Personally, I think it's the girls who have issues (and I love the girls anyways), not the guys who like them.

TS girls, for the most part, want the cake but don't understand that they can't eat it too. Unfortunately, it's the guys who like them that end up taking a beating because the girls get frustrated at this obvious truth.

And we all go to bed angry (well, most of us).

Just some observations. I'm sick of us guys who actually like TS girls being treated like jerks. Yeah, I like girls, and I like a girl with a dick even more. I'm not going to ignore it if it's there, because I'm not a retard. I know and understand all arguments against this thinking, but I'm sick of TS girls treating TS liking guys like shit.

Oh, and I'm Leaving Hung Angels!!!

Until the next time I post. . .

[BeardedOne]

Oh, and I'm Leaving Hung Angels!!!

Until the next time I post. . .

*Snark* :lol:

Yah, what he said. :)

I'm probably a T-girl's worst nightmare, relationship-wise. Quite honestly, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't all about the dick. I'm bisexual/pansexual and find TS's to be the closest to being the 'perfect gender' that I'm ever likely to find.

To quote (As closely as I can recall) a popular character from the series 'Queer As Folk': "I like dick. I like to see dick. I like to hold dick. I like to suck dick." I also like girls/gurls.

Get over it.

Is that all I see on a gurl? No. But it is surely a primary focus on what attracts me to T-girls.

I've only been intimate with two T-girls (Both escorts), but in both cases, once the play was done, I delighted in chatting with them, joking with them, and just enjoying their company.

I may be a hermit, but I get lonely sometimes and crave some intelligent, lighthearted, and sexy company. Bonus points if there's breasts and a dick involved.

Too many women (And that's a blanket statement: GG/TG/TS) quantify or objectify their relationships with men, reading more into it than they ever should. I've never lied to my partners about my sexuality or my status (Bi and poly), yet too many of them seemed to think that I was pulling thier leg or that they would 'be the one to change me'.

Feh. :x Get real.

Do you want us to 'love' you or do you want us to lie to you (As so many of you expect us to anyway)?

[Mylon]

DITTO,yeah what she said. Maybe now guys will "get" that we arent all about our dicks

I think you'll have to realize something... Most guys date women because they are women. And would likewise be turned off by a transexual because that person isn't 100% female.

If guys really dated people for who they were, and not because of that person's gender, then they would date anyone, male, female, or inbetween. And these kinds of guys are rare.

Gender (including "inbetweens") has quite a bit to do with attraction. That is merely life. You might not like that a guy likes you because of your dick, but be glad he likes you at all. I've been in one relationship where a girl (non TS) didn't like me for who I was. She liked me because I was there. So these kind of vain relationships happen even outside of TS relationships.

[tommytuu]

Most TS girls, practically all of them, don't want guys to have any interest in their girldick.

Fact.

They wouldn't have gone through all the time, expense, and effort to become girls just to have attention placed on their dick.

Fair enough.

Most TS girls keep their dick, vs SRS, because of obvious and unavoidable complications and severe drawbacks associated with the proceedure.

Said complications and whatnot suck, it's not a perfect world, and surgical pussy is what it is. It's unfortunate that that is the case, but it is.

Most TS girls will, in the long run, have to deal with the fact that they will always have a dick.

Most of the "manly, 100% straight guys" TS girls want to have a LTR with, would not have a LTR with a girl with a dick. "100% straight guys" like self-lubricating, baby making pussy.

I'm not being mean, this is reality.

Guys that like girls that have a dick are shunned by TS girls, because "tranny chasers" don't make them feel like a girl.

Lots of sad, frustrated people. I see them all the time at work.

I've never seen a long term TS/"100% straight guy" relationship.

I haven't met a lot of guys who openly admit to wanting TS girls for a LTR.

I've never seen a "100% straight guy" pursue a TS long term, personally.

Facts.

Get the hell over it, girls. It's not "all about your dick", but only a crazy person would be long term with a girl and just pretend it's not there. We don't want you for your dick, but we do like the fact you have one. This isn't fantasy land, and things work both ways.

You can chase after bullshit and go crazy, or you can start to think about how to deal with the world.

Personally, I think it's the girls who have issues (and I love the girls anyways), not the guys who like them.

TS girls, for the most part, want the cake but don't understand that they can't eat it too. Unfortunately, it's the guys who like them that end up taking a beating because the girls get frustrated at this obvious truth.

And we all go to bed angry (well, most of us).

Just some observations. I'm sick of us guys who actually like TS girls being treated like jerks. Yeah, I like girls, and I like a girl with a dick even more. I'm not going to ignore it if it's there, because I'm not a retard. I know and understand all arguments against this thinking, but I'm sick of TS girls treating TS liking guys like shit.

Oh, and I'm Leaving Hung Angels!!!

Until the next time I post. . .THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. CO-SIGN, CO-SIGN, CO-SIGN. This is why I rarely respond to what someone says here. Because someone else always says what I'm thinking or feeling. Thanks Honda. I'll also add that there are a small handful of tgirls who actually understand all of what Honda said and have no hang ups about men liking their 3rd leg.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I'm sorry- but you are mistaken.

I lived with a man for three years and not once did he do anything sexually with my penis. Today he is married to a real woman. Our relationship was unique- but he was evolved enough to accept me for me at the time.

At the time I was comfortable with that and happy- I have alos bee in rlationships when it was the oposite.

Honda, I think some of your opinions are a bit off. A girl who wants SRS REALLy will have it. There are complications and drawbacks to any surgery. Modern SRS performed by a good surgeon can have very favorable results.

I'm not angry because of what I am or who I am- nor am I angry at a man who likes me for what I am. But I would not date a man on a personal level who cared if i had a penis or a vagina. Sorry- that is just me.

i'd much rather be alone than be with someone for the sake of JUST being with someone.

[dj4monie]

There's some truth to both statements made here.

Unlike most here, I'm about GG's first and TS' a very DISTANT second.

I like self-lubbing, baby makin punani because I want children, not adopted (maybe later) but my own blood children and sorry that shhh ain't overrated.


TS are a pain in the butt, not unlike most American Woman who's BAD traits TS's usually pick up in the process of becoming a full-time woman. In otherwords, men are dogs, bow-wow. That nonsense is played the fug out ladies.

Look, were men, we like sex, we like to fug, its NORMAL, get used to it.

Ms Starr -

Just because one outstanding human being was able to treat you as a woman and not touch your dick, he's one in the million and you should have done EVERYTHING you could to keep him around. Obviously you weren't able to do that, so here you are bitter. Not horribly bitter because you hardly every resort to male bashing, but none the less bitter because your haven't been able to find another man like him.

My suggestion is to remain single for the rest of your life because I doubt you'll find another person like him, at least not until you give up your career and live a "normal" life where your not appearing on Mr. Povich's show every so often.

TS are worst than frustrated career women....

At least they still want a relationship, they just don't know how to relax around men yet and by the time they do they'll be in their 40's and nobody will want to date them by then.

For GG's there are very few good men and even FEWER good women, for TS, there hardly any good men and alot of tranny chasers that would make for solid life long companionship if TS weren't so short-sighted.

Oh well, I'm not loosing any sleep over it that's for sure...

[DJ_Asia]

I think some girls are overly obsessed with the fact that they are women that have a cock.

I have dated many GG,in fact was married to GG,and never once did I ever hear a GG say to me that I was overly obsessed with her vagina...not once.I did everything imaginable w/ a vagina and was never once called a "pussy monger" or any facsmilile to the GG version of a "tranny chaser".

When two people are intimate to me it is about pleasing each other,nothing more ,nothing less.If I was with a TG that didnt want her cock touched,I would find it odd,talk about it,and if it was very important to her then her cock would become a non-issue.But c'mon really now if my girl likes to have her cock pleased as much as I do,I'm down and anybody that would call me "cock crazy" is simply being hyper critical and looking for a reason to bitch.

The primary difference between GG and TG is the genitalia,and for many men its a new and kinky experience to be with a TS,but for me vagina or cock,im about pleasing the girl,whatever that may entail..top,bottom,switch,oral.....whatever,and if that makes me a tranny chaser than sobeit.....im not changing cuz a few folks think that if a man wants to please his girl he is cock obsessed.

DJ Asia

[BeardedOne]

i'd much rather be alone than be with someone for the sake of JUST being with someone.

I can relate to this. It's why I am surrounded by cats (One inside and countless strays on the porch). They provide companionship and love me for who I am (The fuzzy guy with the food). Hell, I accidentally stepped on one the other day and after limping about for a bit she still got in my lap and licked my nose.

Try doing that with a woman. :lol:

The 'perfect' mate doesn't exist. The divorce rate and endless train wrecks of relationships (And worse, the number of women in shelters and protective custody) atest to that. I thought my last one was =the= one, instead she was the =last= one.

Allanah, I've seen you write of your man before. A truly rare breed and I hope you find his like again. May I ask where/how you met? I'm guessing that he wasn't your typical HA 'fanboy'. :)

[hondarobot]

I don't think Allanah is bitter, just realistic. She doesn't want a guy who is interested in a certain part of her, and she has every right to feel that way.

If anyone is bitter, it's us guys who are interested in TS girls, and happen to find "the T" a nice addition. No TS girls I've ever known really like that in a guy.

It is a very interesting group dynamic, though. Dysfunctional from both male and female perspectives on some levels, but it is reality.

Relationships, really, are over-rated anyways. I heard someone say once that a relationship was just finding someone to use as a crying towel and fuck machine. That may be more accurate then most people want to believe.

[Ecstatic]

It's not "all about your dick", but only a crazy person would be long term with a girl and just pretend it's not there. We don't want you for your dick, but we do like the fact you have one. This isn't fantasy land, and things work both ways.
Co-sign. I don't agree on all your points, Honda, but you hit the nail on the head here.

I think some girls are overly obsessed with the fact that they are women that have a cock.
True, but understandably, since these same girls are driven to transform that state and through SRS become as fully female as medically possible. Other girls are not so obsessed, and even enjoy using their cocks (whether as tops or only orally). I don't see such women as any less female than those who hate their cocks, but given social pressures, I can understand why they might.


I have dated many GG,in fact was married to GG,and never once did I ever hear a GG say to me that I was overly obsessed with her vagina...not once.I did everything imaginable w/ a vagina and was never once called a "pussy monger" or any facsmilile to the GG version of a "tranny chaser".
Perhaps the closest correlative would be womanizer (or any one of similar descriptions): the point being that there are men who are only into pussy, and will chase skirts till the cows come home but have no deeper interest in the women themselves, only in the sex. A tranny chaser who pursues a tgirl solely for her penis and sex is like this, but someone who really enjoys being with a woman who has a cock but is not so obsessed and is attracted to such a woman for many different, non-penile reasons, to my mind is not a tranny chaser.


When two people are intimate to me it is about pleasing each other,nothing more ,nothing less.If I was with a TG that didnt want her cock touched,I would find it odd,talk about it,and if it was very important to her then her cock would become a non-issue.But c'mon really now if my girl likes to have her cock pleased as much as I do,I'm down and anybody that would call me "cock crazy" is simply being hyper critical and looking for a reason to bitch.

The primary difference between GG and TG is the genitalia,and for many men its a new and kinky experience to be with a TS,but for me vagina or cock,im about pleasing the girl,whatever that may entail..top,bottom,switch,oral.....whatever,and if that makes me a tranny chaser than sobeit.....im not changing cuz a few folks think that if a man wants to please his girl he is cock obsessed.

DJ Asia
Exactly. Well said.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Perhaps the closest correlative would be womanizer (or any one of similar descriptions): the point being that there are men who are only into pussy, and will chase skirts till the cows come home but have no deeper interest in the women themselves, only in the sex. A tranny chaser who pursues a tgirl solely for her penis and sex is like this, but someone who really enjoys being with a woman who has a cock but is not so obsessed and is attracted to such a woman for many different, non-penile reasons, to my mind is not a tranny chaser.

In all my time at this forum..Nothing hits the nail right on than Ecstatic's analogy of the whole thing. A womanizer is the equivalent of a trannychaser. It is the desire for "conquest" (As if collecting stamps, fine wine etc.) rather than "pursuing" a general interest with the Tgirl/GG "as a person" as awhole thats a big turn off/bothersome for both GG and Tgirl women.

"WE" Tgirls arent obsessed with or shecocks (Or we wouldnt be leaving our homes. LOL). Maybe there's a few out there but certainly not all of us are alike. :wink:

~Kisses.

HTG

[BeardedOne]

It is the desire for "conquest" (As if collecting stamps,...

Hey! :shock:

I resemble that remark! :P

No doubt there is some connection betwixt 'philanderer' and 'philatelist'.

:shrug

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

this is a great thread

[hondarobot]

I think in many cases it could be a case of a person interested in "conquest", but I think it's far more likely to be on the girls end instead of the guys.

Many TS girls, as well as genetic girls, want to find a man and then mold the guy into what they consider to be a perfect ideal. It's something about how girls think. They tell themselves that they are making the guy "a better man", but are in reality transforming the person into something he probably doesn't want to be.

As in everything, this works both ways. Lots of guys do this to girls, the trophy wife sort of deal. For a lot of us here (myself included), relationships of the commonly accepted variety might not be an option.

All I'm trying to say is that there are a lot of guys here who don't view TS girls in a fetish type way, but honestly like everything about them. That includes the often displayed (on this forum) shecock. Vicki Richter coined the term "Stray" (not exactly straight, but definately not gay) a long time ago to catagorize these guys, and I'm one of them. I love girls, but I'm not a big fan of vaginas, and I think I have every right to feel that way.

I'm just stating my opinion and sticking to it.

[BeardedOne]

It's something about how girls think. They tell themselves that they are making the guy "a better man", but are in reality transforming the person into something he probably doesn't want to be.

Gawd, do I know this story from too many tellings. :roll:

There is a comic strip in the newspapers called "Zits" and one of my favorite dailies showed the lead character and his girlfriend as they listened to one of their friends fawn over her new love: "I love you just the way you are...And I'll love you even more when I make you into the man you're going to be!". The lead character's response "Well, there goes another relationship destined to brevity". I laughed so hard I cried. :lol:


Vicki Richter coined the term "Stray" (not exactly straight, but definately not gay) a long time ago to catagorize these guys, and I'm one of them.

Heh. 'Stray'. :lol: That answers a lot of questions.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Many TS girls, as well as genetic girls, want to find a man and then mold the guy into what they consider to be a perfect ideal. It's something about how girls think. They tell themselves that they are making the guy "a better man", but are in reality transforming the person into something he probably doesn't want to be.

I heard a good joke about that (relationships in general) awhile ago..Goes something like this:

Women marry men hoping they will change (women spends alot of time changing their men) and the Men marry women and hoping they never change (looks, dress size etc.). LOL. Pretty funny! Lmao.. :lol:

~Kisses.

HTG

[AllanahStarrNYC]

There's some truth to both statements made here.

Unlike most here, I'm about GG's first and TS' a very DISTANT second.

I like self-lubbing, baby makin punani because I want children, not adopted (maybe later) but my own blood children and sorry that shhh ain't overrated.


TS are a pain in the butt, not unlike most American Woman who's BAD traits TS's usually pick up in the process of becoming a full-time woman. In otherwords, men are dogs, bow-wow. That nonsense is played the fug out ladies.

Look, were men, we like sex, we like to fug, its NORMAL, get used to it.

Ms Starr -

Just because one outstanding human being was able to treat you as a woman and not touch your dick, he's one in the million and you should have done EVERYTHING you could to keep him around. Obviously you weren't able to do that, so here you are bitter. Not horribly bitter because you hardly every resort to male bashing, but none the less bitter because your haven't been able to find another man like him.

My suggestion is to remain single for the rest of your life because I doubt you'll find another person like him, at least not until you give up your career and live a "normal" life where your not appearing on Mr. Povich's show every so often.

TS are worst than frustrated career women....

At least they still want a relationship, they just don't know how to relax around men yet and by the time they do they'll be in their 40's and nobody will want to date them by then.

For GG's there are very few good men and even FEWER good women, for TS, there hardly any good men and alot of tranny chasers that would make for solid life long companionship if TS weren't so short-sighted.

Oh well, I'm not loosing any sleep over it that's for sure...

your assement of me, the situationt hat happened, why it ended is completely wrong. and i am not going to go into detail about it because it's a private matter that i wish not to discuss. let me just say, it was i who left him- and it was not for any of the reasons you probably are thinking of. maybe i will never find that again. but you know what- in order to love anyone else, you have to love yourself. and i love myself enough to be alone, and not desperate, and be able to be fulfilled wihtout a relationship.
any man i ever become involved with again, is going to have to be evolved enought to undestand me, my past, and where i am at the moment- with a penis or a vagina. i am not interested in complexity and issues- i am interested in understanding. believe it or not- there are good men who have evolved beyond the cave man state.

however-

your assesement that my career is not normal is total bullshit. it is normal to me. making dvds, modeling naked, appearing on maury- is perfectly normal to me and i do not think abou it twice- i see nothing extraordinary in it. and i would never in a million years give up my carrer or what i do for a man! that is insane- when i am. if i ever am ready to make a shift then it will be on my own command

i have chosen to stay single-i am not looking, nor have been for the past three years for any type of relationship. i am far too busy- my happiness revolved around many wonderfu things and people and not wether or not the 'he' is going to call.

you comment that women is in their 40s are barren ans unattractive ans do not want to be dated by anyone is just plain wrong and SEXIST.

worse- many of the statments u made were sexist-
but i do appreciate you addressing me as ms. starr- since i do not know you
i do at least appreciate that courtesy

there are some very hot 40 year olds out there who put some 20 year olds to shame-

here is a good example a 47 year old versus a 25 year old

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww cmon now
sure Britney looks like shit now but once she hits the gym she's gonna be fuckable all over again
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
that wasn't a fair pic
but it was funny

[AllanahStarrNYC]

oh i got some good ones

[AllanahStarrNYC]

:shock:

its not the gyn or weight

its the way that bitch leaves looking the house like a crack addict knowing she is being follewed by photgraphers
with no make up, a bad dress, her hair unbrushed, and many times NO SHOES

A HOT FUCKING SHITTY MESS

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

but you know what- in order to love anyone else, you have to love yourself. and i love myself enough to be alone, and not desperate, and be able to be fulfilled wihtou a relationship.

You tell him gurl! :wink:


i would never in a million years give up my carrer or what i do for a man! that is insane- when i am. if i ever am ready to make a shift then it will be on my own command

i have chosen to stay single-i am not looking, nor have been for the past three years for any type of relationship.

This is something I admire of you gurlie. Youve certainly prove that happiness doesnt lay upon being tied down with a man. It takes awhole lotta woman to do that. CHEERS!! :wink:


you comment that women is in their 40s are barren ans unattractive ans do not want to be dated by anyone is just plain wrong and SEXIST.

there are some very hot 40 years olds out there who put some 20 year olds to shame-

here is a good example a 47 year old versus a 25 year old

LMAO! :lol:

Well demostrated Allanah!

~Kisses.

HTG

[DJ_Asia]

Many girls I know go into chat rooms and are instantly pummeled with absolutely stupid remarks from moronic men.Most of these guys are just stroking off,as the mere thought of chatting with a real live TS is soooo hot to them.
For about 95 % of these guys its all fantasy and will remain that way...for a few others,if they are lucky they will meet a girl who doesnt mind being somebody's kinky desires cum true.
Most girls i know however despise these types of men...closeted,looking only to "see what its like",been stroking to the pix for years and now its my turn to hit it for real"....Wow! Lucky girl!
Many of my friends have told me how much they hate this behaviour from men,and I cant blame them at all.

Then on the other hand if a man emerges from the fantasy phase,accepts he likes TS,isnt ashamed of it,openly is affectionate with her....etc,etc....
Said man dates girl for 6 months,things dont work out,so he starts dating another girl.The community being as small and gossipy as it is,word gets around that So and So's ex is now dating _________ Well now he is a tranny chaser huh?

My question is this?? Where is the happy medium?

What do girls hate more,closeted dudes obsessed with hooking up with you solely cuz a girl has a cock,or the dude who has dated a few girls AKA Tranny Chaser...which is worse??

Honestly i think most guys here have gone through at some point/or are currently in the "fantasy phase".To emerge from that time in a mans life and still be able to look in the mirror and like what you see isnt so easy to do...an accomplishment or growth as a person as far as I can tell.Yet when one emerges from the closet and is no longer ashamed,he suddenly finds he has become a Tranny Chaser.....I dont get it,never have and never will.

DJ Asia

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

You got a very good point right there DJ Asia. None of the two are exactly appealing to most girls.

Personally, I only date (from experience) Guys who have not been with nor dated any TS girl..which means, Id be his first. For one, since you pointed out the fact that people in the community "Gossips" so much..Id rather not be part of any drama coming from anyone's ex tg gf. If it makes sense. Besides, I take comfort knowing he isnt a tranny chaser..And in the event that after "our time" together and he became one..then it was good knowing it happened after we were together. :wink:

~Kisses.

HTG

[hondarobot]

All good points, DJ Asia. It's so damn complicated and frustrating, I'm just thankfull there is no shortage of porn (and oddly enough, I don't even watch TS porn, or at least very very rarely, I wonder what's up with that?)

You just can't beat jerking off to porn as far as a long term, fully satisfying relationship goes. It works for me.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

i think the happy medium is when people behave like people and show common descency, respect, and courtesy, with each other.

we do live in a relatively small community- so unlike the pool of woemn, which is so much larger, a man may date 100 women and non of them will no about each other- in our world it is a bit different.

i do not discriminate agaisnt a man who has dated or transsexuals- to me that is just silly, but i can see the good and bad of those situations.

this is funny because i recently decided to release a lot of the relationships in my life that i realized, where 'poisenous' and drawing negative attenion. upon inspection, i realized mosst of these were men. men whom i had dated, or had affairs with- and still flirted with me, and wanted me in their lives but then when it came down to it not really.

i think it just really boils down- like anything else with people being honest with each other. i am pretty schooled these days to pick up on alot of sighns that mean trouble from a man.

what really pisses me off is when a guy comes to you from so many different angles- and then u realize th eonly thing he is after.

and quite frankly, i would rather have a V8.

sex is extremly easy for me- but if someone is not willing to acutally engage with me as a person, then, they get nothing from me.

i am completley honest about my life, mu living, what i do. if someone is evolved enough, and had the balls and self confidence to deal with it-
then bring it on.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

i think the happy medium is when people behave like people and show common descency, respect, and courtesy, with each other.

Amen!


we do live in a relatively small community- so unlike the pool of women, which is so much larger, a man may date 100 women and non of them will know about each other- in our world it is a bit different.

Tis is so TRUE. :wink:


i do not discriminate agaisnt a man who has dated or transsexuals- to me that is just silly, but i can see the good and bad of those situations.

I once had an ex bf..during the time we dated..I/we were plagued with calls from his GG ex gf. To me thats just annoying. And with another tgirl as an ex..well..Lets just say, I dont want to grab a brick and hit my own head with it (I prefer relationships with less complications and drama). LOL. :wink:


what really pisses me off is when a guy comes to you from so many different angles- and then u realize the only thing he is after.

I hear you gurlie.


and quite frankly, i would rather have a V8.

LMFAO :lol: :lol:


sex is extremely easy for me- but if someone is not willing to actually engage with me as a person, then, they get nothing from me.

Co-sign!

~Kisses.

HTG

[dabaldone]

Then on the other hand if a man emerges from the fantasy phase,accepts he likes TS,isnt ashamed of it,openly is affectionate with her....etc,etc....
Said man dates girl for 6 months,things dont work out,so he starts dating another girl.The community being as small and gossipy as it is,word gets around that So and So's ex is now dating _________ Well now he is a tranny chaser huh?

My question is this?? Where is the happy medium?

What do girls hate more,closeted dudes obsessed with hooking up with you solely cuz a girl has a cock,or the dude who has dated a few girls AKA Tranny Chaser...which is worse??

Honestly i think most guys here have gone through at some point/or are currently in the "fantasy phase".To emerge from that time in a mans life and still be able to look in the mirror and like what you see isnt so easy to do...an accomplishment or growth as a person as far as I can tell.Yet when one emerges from the closet and is no longer ashamed,he suddenly finds he has become a Tranny Chaser.....I dont get it,never have and never will.

DJ Asia

Excellent point DJ, what is that happy medium? I am in the latter class, a guy who is no longer ashamed(damn I hated that feeling) of being with a TS. I had a couple of relationships that didn't work out. So, now am I a Tranny chaser? I guess I was a pussy chaser too. I've been married twice and dated wayyyy more GG's than TS's. Just like when dating GG's, you court several women before you find the "One".

[hondarobot]

One frequently unexamined angle on this whole subject is: the dreaded SRS deal.

I don't care what any of the girls say, it's highly risky, it poses lots of long term problems, and it most likely removes the ability for the girl to have an orgasm, ever again. I have not yet seen these possibilites proven false (and I've done lots of homework on this). I don't need a girl with a pussy to be into her.

If there are guys who are into girls with dicks, then the girls don't have to do something as risky and potentially long term damaging as this. They can be loved and accepted as they are.

SRS is still bad science, I'm just saying, that's my opinion.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Funny you raised SRS as a subject hondarobot..Its one scary procedure nonetheless and its irreversible. Ive about 3 Post Op ts friends. One from Cali, One from MN and One from Belgium. The one from Belgium went to Dr. Suporn and told me she can have an orgasm. The other two I havent heard them talk about them having any. Go figure. And all 3 of them now dont like anal sex. Heck one of them said she doesnt even have the patience to suck dicks the way she used to and couldnt care less if the guy finishes or not from a bj. LOL. I guess thats because she said she doesnt get "horny" anymore like she used to before SRS (Now she has to "THINK" horny to be into it). Not too sure about the other two. :lol:

~Kisses.

HTG

[RangeHova]

The SRS thing is so crazy to me. I have been w/ a TS like I said and didn't miss the dick at all.

But I have seen a few girls who got it done, came back to tell girls how great it was but once you give them a little too much to drink and they will break down about the problems (seriously reduced sex drive, lack of orgasm, men losing that special interest, etc.)

Those things (one, some, or some fraction of things) are too much of a risk.

[BeardedOne]

SRS is just too fucking scary. :shock:

I remember the chapter from Caroline 'Tula' Cossey's biography wherein she described her first memories after the surgery. Jeezlouise, you gotta want it really bad to go that far. Kudos to those that do, but it's still an awful extreme that may or not be 'necessary'.


Its one scary procedure nonetheless and its irreversible.

Which is why there's so much psych counselling and realtime living needed before the procedure. There's scary tales of those that went through it only to realize, too late, that they were just gay and in denial. :shock:


The one from Belgium went to Dr. Suporn and told me she can have an orgasm. The other two I havent heard them talk about them having any. Go figure. And all 3 of them now dont like anal sex.

Interestingly enough, of the three post-op friends/acquaintences I have, none have ever brought up the sex/orgasm thing. I guess you =can= be friends with a T-gurl without the dick (Or lack thereof) getting in the way.

:shrug

[hondarobot]

Well, it's a subject I've gone crazy over a bunch of times, and it's a tough one.

I get the idea of "finishing the transformation", I've also seen first hand just what happens when that objective is reached. The post-op girls I know are vile, evil, bitter girls. I'm serious, they are.

I guess I've come across sometimes as a tranny chaser, and I'm not (if I was just into shecock, I'd get laid every night), I'm just saying I'm not interested in a vagina to the point where I would want any TS girl to do something that would end up being bad in the long run for her.

That's all I'm saying.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

u know i really get pissed of when u guys start bashing srs
and girls who have had srs

every single post op i know is well adjusted and happy-
all i know of one who can not achieve orgasm- the rest can
it just takes time

just because YOU don't understand it, or you like a girl with a cock
you have no right to decide on someones happiness or give advice ont hat with their body

another way tranny chasers sexually objectify transsexual women-
'never do that'- 'youll be just another woman'- 'youll ruin yourself' that really pissed me the fuck off

if YOU want girls to start judgeging you then maybe you should stop judgeing them and realize that it is up to the person to decide what to do with their genitals

amazing!

i know so many men who are 100 percent straight and not into pre ops at all- and always ask when i am getting the surgery- yet the ones who want the cock, are like- please dont

SAD SAD SAD

[hondarobot]

I'm just stating my opinion on the subject, and I'm not an idiot or completely clueless here.

I understand the need to be a girl. I just think at this point, the risk does not justify the potential objective.

And that sucks, and I might be wrong, but I'm not going to just be mute on the subject.

I think real SRS will be realized in a few decades, I'm still researching this, but it doesn't seem fully realized just yet.

I'm just saying.

[BeardedOne]

u know i really get pissed of when u guys start bashing srs
and girls who have had srs

every single post op i know is well adjusted and happy-

Please don't consider me one of the bashers, Ms. Allanah, I never intended my comments/views that way. I do admire the conviction/commitment/need, I just find it too extreme to wrap my brain around.

'Course, I'm not removing/reversing bits of my anatomy so it's hard to relate, really.

The one post-op that I know well is actually pretty well-adjusted, from what I can tell. She's a 'translesbian' and seems pretty happy with her LTR with a GG lover.

Odd that. That some people can actually be happy. :shrug


The post-op girls I know are vile, evil, bitter girls. I'm serious, they are.

Jeez, Honda, =all= of them? And is it from the SRS, or life experience that may or may not be related to same? Do you think that one or more arrived at the 'Oh, shit! I was really just gay' revelation? Or are they going through a social stigma wherein the 'chasers' aren't chasing anymore?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

of ocurse its hard for you or most of you to understand

you have no idea what a pain in the ass it is to wear female clothes, tight jeans, or go to the beach, gym, and have to tuck. you have no idea what a bother it can be.

most of you have not had to second guess your genitals or sex.

the idea of taking hormones and chaging your sex itself is EXTREME. it is the only solution to the problem in you are transgendered- how is correcting genitals any different?

it is very easy to understand how you see it, because none of you have walked a day in a transgendered woman's shoes. most of you won't get as close to us as a computer screen, a party, or an hour with an escort.

clearly- many of you have no idea what it is like- our day to day lives.

[hondarobot]

Jeez, Honda, =all= of them? And is it from the SRS, or life experience that may or may not be related to same? Do you think that one or more arrived at the 'Oh, shit! I was really just gay' revelation? Or are they going through a social stigma wherein the 'chasers' aren't chasing anymore?[/quote]

I don't really want to delve into the particular circumstances with the girls (that's their own deal), but I do know at least three post op girls, and they are all crazy. They do live in Minneapolis, so maybe that drove them nuts, but they really are looney.

Just my personal experience with post-op girls I've known. Not a blanket statement on the entire post-op situation, but I have to work with the evidence available to me.

And I think it's bad science.

[BeardedOne]

They do live in Minneapolis, so maybe that drove them nuts, but they really are looney.

Well, there y' go. Mipple City will do that to a person. :lol:

[hondarobot]

This is my final take on the whole HA subject (until my next one):

Allanah will perfect the form of TS entertainment, and will be a star on every level.

Joanna Jett will break the boundaries, and will in some ways reinvent the world.

Tara Emory will do new things and bring a different level of art to the scene.

I'll chase Vicki until I run out of steam and fall down, then she'll pick me up, give me a drink of water, and I'll start chasing after her again. Who knows where that's going to lead, but I'll keep chasing. . .

Just my take on things, and it all doesn't really seem that bad.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

a great SRS result from a close friend who just sent this to me
I will keep her name anonymous- unless she reveals it
but some of us know her

SRS is not an archaic procedure
It can have excellent results when performed by a top surgeon

a great example:

[Ecstatic]

Perhaps the closest correlative would be womanizer (or any one of similar descriptions): the point being that there are men who are only into pussy, and will chase skirts till the cows come home but have no deeper interest in the women themselves, only in the sex. A tranny chaser who pursues a tgirl solely for her penis and sex is like this, but someone who really enjoys being with a woman who has a cock but is not so obsessed and is attracted to such a woman for many different, non-penile reasons, to my mind is not a tranny chaser.

In all my time at this forum..Nothing hits the nail right on than Ecstatic's analogy of the whole thing. A womanizer is the equivalent of a trannychaser. It is the desire for "conquest" (As if collecting stamps, fine wine etc.) rather than "pursuing" a general interest with the Tgirl/GG "as a person" as awhole thats a big turn off/bothersome for both GG and Tgirl women.

"WE" Tgirls arent obsessed with or shecocks (Or we wouldnt be leaving our homes. LOL). Maybe there's a few out there but certainly not all of us are alike. :wink:

~Kisses.

HTG
Actually, Hara, you just nailed it more succinctly than I did with your comment about the "desire for conquest": that's the heart (hard?) of the matter. Another notch on the bedpost. But for me that got old very quickly. On the escort boards there are some guys who boast about being with 100 or more tgirls (or girls, if they are into gg escorts).

LOL@ "Or we wouldnt be leaving our homes." :lol:

[Ecstatic]

Allanah, that is a superb example! I can hardly tell that it's not a natural vagina.

I think Honda has a point, in that medical science is progressing all the time and the procedure will only improve as a result. Heck, my wife needs knee replacement surgery, and she's holding out for advances as they are continually improving in that prosthetic field as well, so until she *has* to have the surgeries (both knees), she'll wait.

But I totally endorse any girl who wants her SRS to go for it. I would encourage all girls to do their due diligence and make sure they are going to a top surgeon because that is one procedure you don't want done badly, but by all means do what makes you feel whole and complete.

Now personally I am very attracted to a beautiful tgirl who has not had SRS and prefers to remain non-op and is versatile in bed, but that's a personal preference, and I would never project that preference onto another person.

[RangeHova]

I would never bash a girl for wanting or going the SRS route. In my first relationship w/ a T woman I felt like I was pushing her to go that way. Not so much because I wanted one genitalia over another but I thought she’d be happier. But when she told me of the horror stories and I saw some myself I became more scared of the procedure.

It would scare the hell out of me if my woman wanted it. Again, not because of the genital thing but the consequences that could come about afterwards. I would not steer her away from it but I would steer her to full research it (good and bad). The girl that I dated who went through SRS was the type of girl that I thought had her shit together. Even now, she schools a lot of girls into the reality of it and away from the fantasies that so many of them have about the magical vagina. I’m only just now finding out that she held some crazy beliefs prior to making the decision (that she now knows are untrue).

I do know girls that are happy, well adjusted, and complete with their SRS. I just would be afraid that my girl would not be one of those were I with a girl contemplating it.

The main issue for me is that I’ve talked to way too many girls whose reasons for it are out of wack. They have not done the research don’t know what to expect and are too quick to take the cheap route into something so major. Too many focus on the success stories w/o looking at the dangers.

I knew one girl that had all of this internet research showing vaginas of post op girls telling me how great they looked. I had to take her to porn sites to show her actual real vagina, clitorises, vulvas, lips, etc. to show her how bad these jobs were. I had to show her what the parts did. She had never really see a genetic vagina and didn’t understand the structure of one and what they did outside being a place to put a man’s penis.

I hate to see girls scared in most cases but this is one area where awareness of the entire picture is needed. This might be an area where a little fear could help some girls better understand their own needs, might make then more wiling to address the emotional and mental aspect of SRS that too many don’t, and not to skimp on something that is so major.

I think most domestic and Canadian doctors that perform these surgeries really know what they are doing. A lot of the ones in smaller countries that do qickie cheap SRS surgeries in bulk are kind of hit or miss. But aside from price, I think a lot of girls make these trips just to avoid the hoops that are put on them here in the states that are only meant to prep them for the realities of such a big step.

I think a lot of “100% straight men” are more in a rush to have a girl get SRS is because they don’t understand the complexities if it either. I’m sure that most TS loving guys don’t want to see the dick go bye bye (I see the dick worship on here daily). But not all of us are the same.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

A lot of the ones in smaller countries that do qickie cheap SRS surgeries in bulk are kind of hit or miss. But aside from price, I think a lot of girls make these trips just to avoid the hoops that are put on them here in the states that are only meant to prep them for the realities of such a big step.

Not true. Actually, My Post Op TS friend from Belgium and is married went to Dr. Suporn in Thailand (small country). Her vagina looks and feels real (She can have an orgasm). Dr. Suporn is one of the best SRS surgeons we have in the world and doesnt cost as much as SRS doctors we have here in North America. Though youll still need a plane ticket and hotel accomodation when you get there. He does from Tracheal shave, Facial feminization, Augmentation Mammaplasty (Breast Implants), SRS etc.

Example work A
http://www.supornclinic.com/HTML/SRS/improvedimages/generalsrs/Gen1.jpg

Example work B
http://www.supornclinic.com/HTML/SRS/improvedimages/generalsrs/Gen2.jpg

Example work C
http://www.supornclinic.com/HTML/SRS/improvedimages/generalsrs/Gen3.jpg

Theres more at his website. Explaining various SRS techniques.

http://www.supornclinic.com/

Download full presentation: (Small clip)

http://www.supornclinic.com/HTML/SRS/results.html

Another excellent doctor is Dr. Eugene Schrang (He is located in WI) who did my other Post OP ts friend who's from MN.

http://www.drschrang.com/


~Kisses.

HTG

[Dina Delicious]

i have a few comments id like to make
As a fully orgasmic fully functioning post op woman
my surgeon was Dr Toby Meltzer
i was very well informed 4 years of therapy srs is not a magic pill
after you have srs no man on a horse is going to com and sweep you off your feet and put you in trump palace all you are doing is trading one set of problems for another as for me im very happy with my surgery i achieve orgasm and my vagina is pretty and really never gets spooked during intercourse or even closer inspection im 7 years post op so i dont know what anyone here is saying about long term complications so if you truly researched it on the net im sure myself and others would love to read these medical reports please post the links here as you do the links to all the she cocksas for sex drive well im a woman i do not desire the sex drive of a man so ill just let that one go
as for poist ops being crazy looney or what have you most of the successfull ts woman in the world are post op
and furthermore i work with many pre ops you wanna talk looney i have stories that spielberg would buy but im not selling yet!
as with any surgical procedure there are risks but srs is something you truly do for yourself and no one else
sorry for my bad typing
no matter what you are or who you are just be a good one
kisses
Dina Marie

[RangeHova]

Not true. Actually, My Post Op TS friend from Belgium and is married went to Dr. Suporn in Thailand (small country). Her vagina looks and feels real (She can have an orgasm). Dr. Suporn is one of the best SRS surgeons we have in the world and doesnt cost as much as SRS doctors we have here in North America. Though youll still need a plane ticket and hotel accomodation when you get there. He does from Tracheal shave, Facial feminization, Augmentation Mammaplasty (Breast Implants), SRS etc.

I'm not saying that all, most or some of those doctors aren't good, but there are some that rush through it. I know girls who have gone oversees and had what they said were great results. But just looking at some of the HA post and seeing some of the non American work you can see that there are plenty of girls having SRS in other countries that end up w/ not so realistic results.

I just want more girls to do more complete research.

It's like any cosmetic sugery, I guess. You need to do your homework. And in many cases higher priced doesn't always mean better.

I have only been with 2 post op girls. One done in Canada and one done in Thailand. The one done in Canada was actually better than genetic (literally, the best i ever had), the one done in Thailand was the worst I ever had.

Now I'm sure there were other factors. I'm sure that is not the case with all or even most. But when dealing with something that severe I'd be willing to pay more if it meant less of a risk of having that or some of the really bad ones that I've seen on the net.

But from an actual taste test, I'm convinced that if my SO (if i had one)decided that was her fate, we'll be going to Canada or staying in the states. I wouldn't try to talk her out of it, but I would want her to research it all and even seek counseling. Not for the purpose of changing her mind but to be informed the way that Dina talked about.

It would mess me up if I decided to spend my life with a woman and a surgery (any kind of surgery) left her ___________ (fill in the blank). If it left her happy and we still had a fulfilling sex life I'd be happier than her.

What I get from TS women ain't found in the panties. Like I said, with my ex, I didn't miss a thing when she got her vagina. In fact, in her case it made her more mature and grounded.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I have only been with 2 post op girls. One done in Canada and one done in Thailand. The one done in Canada was actually better than genetic (literally, the best i ever had), the one done in Thailand was the worst I ever had.

Thats Kewl. But then you cant really based it upon your only TWO experiences. If I had pics of my two Post Op TS friends Id post them but I dont. The friend I have from Belgium who can have an orgasm really had good work done by Dr. Suporn. Her husband hasnt suspected anything for years. LOL. :wink:

~Kisses.

HTG

[reelgurl]

I've learned to be comfortable about who I really am, which is an entirety of my physiology and my mentality. Changing anything in me would certainly change the entirety of myself. There are two ways to correct the incoherency between physical conditions and mental recognitions: 1) changing the physical conditions; 2) changing the mental recoginitions. I think we all do both just to different extent. But it might be easier if we learn to do the 2) way better because it's the mental recognition that guides us to change the physical appearances. Whatever needs to be done, as long as it is not for anybody else, not for a man, not to be this/that woman, it has to be want WE want. We are what we are, we were born unique, we are unique, we just need to acknowledge that. Men, women, gay, bi, nothing can properly label us. TV, TS, TG, nothing I feel completely comfortable with either. So forget about labels. As long as we are comfortable about ourselves, physically, and mentally, we won't be focusing on adn get entrapped in the trivial details such as whether he likes me because of my genitalia, whether he is gay or bi, whehter he is this or that chaser. There is bigger fish to fry, there is bigger picture to see. Who spends most of the days checking cocks anyway :wink: There is only a short life and there is a lot to achieve so getting stuck in such trivia is silly, it's the underlying sense of insecurity about who we really are. If we we are not afraid of who we really are, we won't be so penile-phobic. If I like somebody, it's because he has more than his cock, if somebody likes me it's totally reasonable to automatically assume that its probably because I am more than my cock. If I hate my genital, I would have it surgically altered but I've learned to be quite comfortable with it. And I've learned to be quite comfortable with my guy being quite comfortable with it too. And I've learned to be quite comfortable with the fact that the reason my guy is quite comfortable with it is because he is quite comfortable with me... OK I gave up trying to make it clear :)

[RangeHova]

Thats Kewl. But then you cant really based it upon your only TWO experiences. If I had pics of my two Post Op TS friends Id post them but I dont. The friend I have from Belgium who can have an orgasm really had good work done by Dr. Suporn. Her husband hasnt suspected anything for years. LOL. :wink:

~Kisses.

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Well those 2 were the only two that I expierenced, up close and personally. The others that really scared me were ones that I saw on HA and porn sites. Since most of them were foreign based girls, I assumed they had them done where they were from or in some close vicinity.

My friend "China" had hers done in Thailand and though I never expierenced it 'up close and personally' I have seen it and it looked natural from what she showed me.

But if I ever find Mrs. Right and she wants SRS, I'll look at every avenue be it Canada, the US, Belgium, Thailand wherever. I'm partial to the US but... hey, that may or not even be in the cards for me.

I gotta find the girl first.

[hondarobot]

It's a very interesting and complicated subject, worthy of examination to a high degree. It is, it's one of those deals.

The vagina pic's posted look very nice, but it's not just asthetics I'm talking about.

SRS is something that should be heavily researched before any girl decides to take that route (although, that is stating the obvious).

[slinky]

I have only been with 2 post op girls. One done in Canada and one done in Thailand. The one done in Canada was actually better than genetic (literally, the best i ever had), the one done in Thailand was the worst I ever had.

Thats Kewl. But then you cant really based it upon your only TWO experiences. If I had pics of my two Post Op TS friends Id post them but I dont. The friend I have from Belgium who can have an orgasm really had good work done by Dr. Suporn. Her husband hasnt suspected anything for years. LOL. :wink:

~Kisses.

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I hope you're joking

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I hope you're joking

Nope Danny. Im not! I see you're not a believer and always comes off a skeptic! LOL. Maybe you havent seen them all have you Danny? There are unbelievably passable TS'es out there. She (My Post Op TS friend from Belgium) is stealth and very passable. She works as a "Geisha" 6 months a year in Japan. Small frame, small waist, big breast, nice ass and hips and femme features. Its actually quite irritating seing her on webcam and naked! LOL. :lol: You would have met the other friend I have who's likewise of the same stature..who's Post Op and was visiting me a year ago had you chose to meet her instead of Sunae. :wink:

~Kisses.

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[HungDevil]

Perhaps the closest correlative would be womanizer (or any one of similar descriptions): the point being that there are men who are only into pussy, and will chase skirts till the cows come home but have no deeper interest in the women themselves, only in the sex. A tranny chaser who pursues a tgirl solely for her penis and sex is like this, but someone who really enjoys being with a woman who has a cock but is not so obsessed and is attracted to such a woman for many different, non-penile reasons, to my mind is not a tranny chaser.

In all my time at this forum..Nothing hits the nail right on than Ecstatic's analogy of the whole thing. A womanizer is the equivalent of a trannychaser. It is the desire for "conquest" (As if collecting stamps, fine wine etc.) rather than "pursuing" a general interest with the Tgirl/GG "as a person" as awhole thats a big turn off/bothersome for both GG and Tgirl women.

"WE" Tgirls arent obsessed with or shecocks (Or we wouldnt be leaving our homes. LOL). Maybe there's a few out there but certainly not all of us are alike. :wink:

~Kisses.

HTG


A womanizer cannot be compared to a chaser. The player is a person who seduces others in order to get sex and material things from them. If someone is paying for sex, then he or she can't really be said to be a player. In fact, "paying for it" violates the laws of playing. The so-called chasers are usually the guys who pay for sex. They have the similar lusting after the flesh that the player has, but the chasers don't really romance they finance. Moreover, paying for sex is never considered a conquest. A conquest comes when someone seduces another with words and deeds. The word trannychaser is a cussword that is meaningless to me. If someone is all about sex just call them promiscuous.

[dabaldone]

Guys that like girls that have a dick are shunned by TS girls, because "tranny chasers" don't make them feel like a girl.

Get the hell over it, girls. It's not "all about your dick", but only a crazy person would be long term with a girl and just pretend it's not there. We don't want you for your dick, but we do like the fact you have one. This isn't fantasy land, and things work both ways.

You can chase after bullshit and go crazy, or you can start to think about how to deal with the world.

Personally, I think it's the girls who have issues (and I love the girls anyways), not the guys who like them.

TS girls, for the most part, want the cake but don't understand that they can't eat it too. Unfortunately, it's the guys who like them that end up taking a beating because the girls get frustrated at this obvious truth.

And we all go to bed angry (well, most of us).

Just some observations. I'm sick of us guys who actually like TS girls being treated like jerks. Yeah, I like girls, and I like a girl with a dick even more. I'm not going to ignore it if it's there, because I'm not a retard. I know and understand all arguments against this thinking, but I'm sick of TS girls treating TS liking guys like shit.

Oh, and I'm Leaving Hung Angels!!!

Until the next time I post. . .

A resounding amen brother!!!!! I love women, period!! My preference is for TS ladies, pre-op or post-op...there is a difference from GG's. My take on preferences is this....All men have a preference. Some like BBW's, others like the model type, no bigger than a size for. Some brothers are color struck. Only dating girls of a certain skin tone.
But a guy who prefers a TS has issues!!??? WTF!! If a man is secure in who he is he will not have any issues being with a TS. Only then can the two of you move forward in a LTR without all the "but I don't want my family...Am I gay?" bulls#!%.
One other poster said he dated a showgirl and girls seeked him out. Well, my experince was different. Because my ex was the "Queen Bee" most girls wouldn't dare talk to her ex-husband. Ok rant over.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Perhaps the closest correlative would be womanizer (or any one of similar descriptions): the point being that there are men who are only into pussy, and will chase skirts till the cows come home but have no deeper interest in the women themselves, only in the sex. A tranny chaser who pursues a tgirl solely for her penis and sex is like this, but someone who really enjoys being with a woman who has a cock but is not so obsessed and is attracted to such a woman for many different, non-penile reasons, to my mind is not a tranny chaser.

In all my time at this forum..Nothing hits the nail right on than Ecstatic's analogy of the whole thing. A womanizer is the equivalent of a trannychaser. It is the desire for "conquest" (As if collecting stamps, fine wine etc.) rather than "pursuing" a general interest with the Tgirl/GG "as a person" as awhole thats a big turn off/bothersome for both GG and Tgirl women.

"WE" Tgirls arent obsessed with or shecocks (Or we wouldnt be leaving our homes. LOL). Maybe there's a few out there but certainly not all of us are alike. :wink:

~Kisses.

HTG

A womanizer cannot be compared to a chaser. The player is a person who seduces others in order to get sex and material things from them. If someone is paying for sex, then he or she can't really be said to be a player. In fact, "paying for it" violates the laws of playing. The so-called chasers are usually the guys who pay for sex. They have the similar lusting after the flesh that the player has, but the chasers don't really romance they finance. Moreover, paying for sex is never considered a conquest. A conquest comes when someone seduces another with words and deeds. The word trannychaser is a cussword that is meaningless to me. If someone is all about sex just call them promiscuous.

:roll: First of, I was agreing with Ecstatic's opinion and NO ONE is calling anyone out in particular as a trannychaser. So CHILL! *IF it doesnt apply to you then I dont see why youd feel the need to say "The word trannychaser is a cussword that is meaningless to me." ??? And get all defensive. No one is labelling anyone out here.

All these terms are relative. Womanizer, players, trannychasers, promiscuous individuals what have you..Are all fueled into the same mutual GOAL: To have sex with as much women or transexuals. The matter of which or how one goes about it wether one seduces one with words (sweet talks) and deeds (flowers, dinner, a good play etc), impresses them with your body or how hung you are and or PAYS for *Is not much of any importance. For theyre somewhat the same in the sense that all types are not particularly "interested" in the woman or transexual as a person per se muchless into cultivating any possibilities of a "relationship" (LTR) with them for the long term. But is in it for self gracification of getting SEX. And thats where one could claim or say "Yeah Ive been with her" (Conquest) regardless of how it happened..wether you charmed or swept her off her feet and or paid for it.

~Kisses.

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[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

and furthermore i work with many pre ops you wanna talk looney i have stories that spielberg would buy but im not selling yet!

Dina Marie

ain't that the truth

[HungDevil]

Harajuku Tgirl wrote:

:roll: First of, I was agreing with Ecstatic's opinion and NO ONE is calling anyone out in particular as a trannychaser. So CHILL! *IF it doesnt apply to you then I dont see why youd feel the need to say "The word trannychaser is a cussword that is meaningless to me." ??? And get all defensive. No one is labelling anyone out here.


Thanks for your reply. First, I think that we are in general agreement on many things. Surely, you raised some great points that I have duly noted. I do, however, think that the word trannychaser is often abused in such a way as to make it a cussword devoid of true meaning.


I was just offering my opinion in a passionate way. I was not even thinking that the word "trannychaser" would be applicable to me. This though, one person who was ignorant of my disposition called me by that name. In fact, she used it in the same sense that one would use a cussword. Anyway, I am not attacking and neither do I feel attacked.



All these terms are relative. Womanizer, players, trannychasers, promiscuous individuals what have you..Are all fueled into the same mutual GOAL: To have sex with as much women or transexuals. The matter of which or how one goes about it wether one seduces one with words (sweet talks) and deeds (flowers, dinner, a good play etc), impresses them with your body or how hung you are and or PAYS for *Is not much of any importance. For theyre somewhat the same in the sense that all types are not particularly "interested" in the woman or transexual as a person per se muchless into cultivating any possibilities of a "relationship" (LTR) with them for the long term. But is in it for self gracification of getting SEX. And thats where one could claim or say "Yeah Ive been with her" (Conquest) regardless of how it happened..wether you charmed or swept her off her feet and or paid for it.


One would expect that the person who pays for sex regularly would not be interested in the total personality of the sex professional. The client may be drawn to a warm and friendly person, but that is where the non-physical interest ends. In most cases the sex professional has a similar indifference to the client. The trannychaser as client cannot really be persecuted. In the end, the sex professionals actively benefit from tranny-chasing. There is no moral high ground to be assumed.


The issue of the trannychaser as a womanizer is more helpful. It is best to suppose that the transsexuals he interacts with are seeking long-term relationships. Knowing this the so-called trannychaser presents himself as the man who is relationship material. He tries to convince the transsexual that his interest in her goes beyond the mere physical. However, all the pretense is meant to hide the fact that he is only concerned with increasing the notches on the bedpost (I.E., SEX).

I think that transsexuals can sense whether or not a man is really wanting commitment.

However...

A committed relationship that did not work out should not cause us to call the man a trannychaser if he seeks others transsexuals. In this case transsexuals are the center of his attraction both physically and emotionally.


The man who has had committed relationships with transsexuals; but has decided to remain single at present while pursuing casual relationships with transsexuals would be called a trannychaser. However, the cussword when applied to such a man would hide so much. The fact would remain that he is capable of appreciating the transsexual as a person, and also capable of forming an emotional bond with transsexuals. He might just be taking a rest from relationships.


Now, if there is a man who thinks that no transsexual could be wifey material, so to speak, he could be a perfect candidate for the term trannychaser. If all he does is to have sex with transsexuals, and boast about the number and quality of those he has been with, then he is mgiht be a trannychaser. If all he does is lie to transsexuals who want a relationships, then he might be a trannychaser. Not only that, such a man is despicable to me.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Thanks for your reply. First, I think that we are in general agreement on many things. Surely, you raised some great points that I have duly noted. I do, however, think that the word trannychaser is often abused in such a way as to make it a cussword devoid of true meaning.


I was just offering my opinion in a passionate way. I was not even thinking that the word "trannychaser" would be applicable to me. This though, one person who was ignorant of my disposition called me by that name. In fact, she used it in the same sense that one would use a cussword. Anyway, I am not attacking and neither do I feel attacked.

Thanks HungDevil. I see that struck a nerve from previous bad dealings with one transexual and being called by that derogatory term. I see where youre coming from and understand why you said what youve said as your passionate way of expressing yourself.



One would expect that the person who pays for sex regularly would not be interested in the total personality of the sex professional. The client may be drawn to a warm and friendly person, but that is where the non-physical interest ends.

Maybe for some. But Im under the impression that clients somewhat are interested or would have to be interested in a woman's or transexual's personality regardless if said woman or transexual are working as escorts. There are men on this board alone that wouldnt want to be with any women or transexuals who have dispicable attutudes and behaviour. Am I right Ecstatic? :wink: Hence, I always see guys posting here looking for feedbacks and reviews of specific transexuals. :wink:

Any client who doesnt mind how a woman or transexual is..how she deals with men in general (bad attitude and all) are obviously only going to see her because they want to add her to their list of conquest regardless if they have to pay their way for it so to speak. I could be wrong but there are men who are like that. Call it middle age crisis. LOL. Where guys are known to buy luxury items they dont really need or could even afford like sports cars and that includes buying time with georgeous women and transexuals to make them feel good about themselves. :wink:


In most cases the sex professional has a similar indifference to the client. The trannychaser as client cannot really be persecuted. In the end, the sex professionals actively benefit from tranny-chasing. There is no moral high ground to be assumed.

I agree that most (certainly not all) might behave like that. And if it benefits them (the providers) then its all well and good. Trannychasers are a great source of business and that is thee only time when the negative term becomes/turns into a positive (Providers dont need to put up with their BS).


The issue of the trannychaser as a womanizer is more helpful. It is best to suppose that the transsexuals he interacts with are seeking long-term relationships. Knowing this the so-called trannychaser presents himself as the man who is relationship material. He tries to convince the transsexual that his interest in her goes beyond the mere physical. However, all the pretense is meant to hide the fact that he is only concerned with increasing the notches on the bedpost (I.E., SEX).

Exactly. Which I thought you were contradicting on a previous post (when you said "A womanizer cannot be compared to a chaser'). For we certainly can. Thats what we were discussing about anyways. It was outside the realms of a provider/client type of relation.

*Remember, what the title of the post is: Question For The Ladies On Dating Certain Types Of Guys

I would never thought for a second that were discussing about providers and client relation here on this thread but about good old fashion dating.


I think that transsexuals can sense whether or not a man is really wanting commitment.

Yes, transexuals have a heightened sense of awareness than most GG's. LOL.


However...

A committed relationship that did not work out should not cause us to call the man a trannychaser if he seeks others transsexuals. In this case transsexuals are the center of his attraction both physically and emotionally.

That is right! It shouldnt be. Any transexuals who calls an ex that term is only saying that out of being annoyed (by his actions), hurt or hatred (from whatever resulted out of their relationship). And is not a mature way of dealing with things especially an ex.


The man who has had committed relationships with transsexuals; but has decided to remain single at present while pursuing casual relationships with transsexuals would be called a trannychaser. However, the cussword when applied to such a man would hide so much. The fact would remain that he is capable of appreciating the transsexual as a person, and also capable of forming an emotional bond with transsexuals. He might just be taking a rest from relationships.

Taking time out from relationships is a kewl way to gain perspective on things. But thats not to be confused of going overboard and trying to woo, sweet talk, sleep with as much transexuals as you can without regards to a transexual or two or three's feelings. It goes the same way with GG's and womanizers.


Now, if there is a man who thinks that no transsexual could be wifey material, so to speak, he could be a perfect candidate for the term trannychaser. If all he does is to have sex with transsexuals, and boast about the number and quality of those he has been with, then he is mgiht be a trannychaser. If all he does is lie to transsexuals who want a relationships, then he might be a trannychaser. Not only that, such a man is despicable to me.

Yes. That then makes him a "Certified Chaser".

~Kisses.

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[hwbs]

this topic is making me dizzy...im gonna sit on the couch and put one leg on the floor and ride this one out..... :angry...kinda like after 1$ pitcher ,keystone nights in collegs

[Ecstatic]

One would expect that the person who pays for sex regularly would not be interested in the total personality of the sex professional. The client may be drawn to a warm and friendly person, but that is where the non-physical interest ends.

Maybe for some. But Im under the impression that clients somewhat are interested or would have to be interested in a woman's or transexual's personality regardless if said woman or transexual are working as escorts. There are men on this board alone that wouldnt want to be with any women or transexuals who have dispicable attutudes and behaviour. Am I right Ecstatic? :wink: Hence, I always see guys posting here looking for feedbacks and reviews of specific transexuals. :wink:
Yes, you're right, Hara. In my response I had not considered at all whether one pays for play or is a player (as HungDevil defines the term). I think it may be an important distinction, but not directly relevant here, where the question in my mind is whether a guy has any real interest in his partner (unqualified: escort or date or LTR) beyond her status as a TS.

Personally, I take offense to your assumpiton, HungDevil, that "One would expect that the person who pays for sex regularly would not be interested in the total personality of the sex professional." I understand why you would assume this, but, speaking for myself, this is far from the case. I do see a few select escorts and pay for play. I have also cultivated real friendships with these girls, evidenced by such things as going out to dinner, going shopping, talking (sometimes for hours) on the phone, and more (but I don't want to get too personal here). That these girls want to spend time with me, and me with them, speaks volumes. Yes, I'll pay them for their professional services, but our relationships are not defined solely by those services.

Since I am happily married (to a very understanding wife who has no issue with my "getting a little on the side" so long as I play safe), I'm not dating anyone because that would be a misrepresentation at best. Seeing an escort is the best way for me. But I only want to be with someone who is a friend, and I am very much concerned with the "total personality" of these girls. Sex doesn't need to be part of that equation, but friendship does.

[Deepdarkfucker]

Hmmmm?

[dj4monie]

Allanah -

Yadda, Yadda, Yadda...

Sorry you took that so dayum personal, but then again I didn't expect anything else, right on cue in fact.

I like how people used personalities in popular culture to support their points of view.

Madonna, Demi Moore, et all are all EXCEPTIONS to the rule, not THE RULE. Try not to confuse that.

There access to money allows them the best plastic sugreons and fitness trainers known to man, the average female in the US has no access to such things and thus doesn't turn out as well.

The fact remains that alot of men over 35 want nothing to do with women in their age range or older and rather travel the world to find somebody that will accept them depsite being 15-20 years their senior.

I guess you haven't seen or read anything about Russian Brides and Sexual Tourism have you?

Those numbers are growing...

I've given up seeking a T myself because its rather hopeless and like I said, I want kids and once I walk down that isle and say the magic words, all thoughts of T's will disapear because while I find T's sexy in general, I have enough problems being a black man in this country to try and compound them even more with having a T as companion, long term. Its already bad enough since I date white women almost exclusively.

So there you have it.

I still stand by my statements however fucked up you think they are.

"Ghost Ride Da Whip"