Like The Way British Do The Backward Peace Sign

[Dino Velvet]

Not very peaceful. Remember watching Sid & Nancy and wanting that picture of Gary Oldman saluting the camera on the staircase. Why doesn't Ringo Starr start doing this instead?

[robertlouis]

Quite right Dino. Preserve our ancient heritage!

[rameses2]

Too right, my dickie, old chum :iagree:!

[Dino Velvet]

Quite right Dino. Preserve our ancient heritage!

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=464471&stc=1&d=1334292784

My pleasure. Thanks for that informative picture.

[EZWind]

Yup...good ole Pee Wee Herman, definitely one of my all-time favorite hip-hop heroes with his oh so emulatable "urban" accent

[spunktrumpet]

The forward facing 'V' sign is actually an insult dating back to the 1200's, England was at war with France at the time (unsuprising as we'd pinched about a third of their country). The french had an advantage in mounted knights whereasthe English army had a devastating superiority in longbowmen, so whenever the french captured any archers they would cut the two bowstringing fingers (the 'V' symbol fingers) off to stop him firing arrows again. Before any big battle started it became the norm for the archers to stick two fingers up to the french to show them they were ready for battle and about to deliver the good news in the form of massive arrow volleys. The peace symbol originated much later in WWII and is normally given the other way round, but some historical figures like Churchill did it the other way (probably because he didn't give a fuck what anyone else thought). Little bit of trivia for the day.

[Prospero]

Remarkable piece of arcane info spunkie... thank for that.

[loveboof]

Apparently that story about the archers is a bit if a myth. QI is usually right...

http://www.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=6804&start=0&sid=8b8c9e0cd5e45b8e3fdbaff2bcd53b60

[SammiValentine]

Yea its an "urban legend" first historical proof of it being used is late 1800 or early 1900 i think ?

[spunktrumpet]

Yeah, the good old internet is right thesis eh! I read that link and it just strikes me as a couple of bored fuckwits trying to prove/disprove something so they sound clever. When I was in Germany attached to an Artillery Regiment (the forebears of bow's & arrows), I remember reading one of the books in the sergeants mess which had all the battles etc in it, and that's where I read it. Who's right? Well not for me to say, but half of these battlefield detectives are only basing their shite on theories that they came up with, unless you were there a few hundred years ago your not gonna know what actually happened, I remember watching battlefield detectives & they said that the archers didn't do fuck all at Agincourt, now maybe I'm wrong but the only way to know exactly how effective a longbow is, is to put a suit of armour on & get 10 of your mates to shoot arrows at you, then you are in a position to comment on it. personally I prefer my version than a couple of boffins chatting shite between themselves. OK rant over.

[SammiValentine]

Yeah, the good old internet is right thesis eh! I read that link and it just strikes me as a couple of bored fuckwits trying to prove/disprove something so they sound clever. When I was in Germany attached to an Artillery Regiment (the forebears of bow's & arrows), I remember reading one of the books in the sergeants mess which had all the battles etc in it, and that's where I read it. Who's right? Well not for me to say, but half of these battlefield detectives are only basing their shite on theories that they came up with, unless you were there a few hundred years ago your not gonna know what actually happened, I remember watching battlefield detectives & they said that the archers didn't do fuck all at Agincourt, now maybe I'm wrong but the only way to know exactly how effective a longbow is, is to put a suit of armour on & get 10 of your mates to shoot arrows at you, then you are in a position to comment on it. personally I prefer my version than a couple of boffins chatting shite between themselves. OK rant over.

i prefer your version as well :D

[spunktrumpet]

Cheers Sammi, nice to see high score on the British Tgirl thread as well, you got my vote!

[loveboof]

Obviously I prefer 'your' version too - its a cool little story. But QI is a tv quiz show in England where they debunk popular myths and misconceptions, and I'd be very surprised if the researchers on that show were wrong.

[Stavros]

The 'V' sign can be positive and negative: in Leonardo's Virgin of the Rocks, Jesus, sitting next to the Angel, grants John (sitting with the Virgin) his benediction using two fingers: this symbol of the benediction is common in religious painting dating back to the Middle Ages, if not before. There is an argument that the V sign was inverted as the opposite of benediction, ie a curse of the devil, and in this form was taken over by devil-worshippers, and is also identified as an important signal for non/anti-Chrisitians druids, Freemasons (Churchill was both a Druid and a Freemason), the Illuminati, and any other wacko cult you can think of.

As a sign of peace, it is closest to the benediction: two fingers raised with the palm facing the receiver; as an insult, a sign of the devil: two fingers raised, often in an upward motion with the palm facing the giver.

With regard to the issue of Agincourt and the Archers, Anne Curry at Southampton University, whose research on Agincourt is superior to most, has established how many armed men were arraigned on each side, and proves that the English Archers were the key to the English victory:


‘The real contrast between the armies,’ she argues, ‘was their composition rather than their size.’ Of the 12,000 French, around 75 per cent were men-at-arms. The corresponding proportion for the English was 20 per cent, with the rest archers. Their superiority in terms of men-at-arms, all fighting on foot with swords, lances and maces, gave confidence to the French and led to them placing more troops in the vanguard in anticipation of winning the day with a huge first clash against the weaker English force. But they underestimated the effectiveness of the huge numbers of English archers. At over 7,000, and defended by both stakes and the geography of the battlefield, they proved inaccessible by cavalry charge.
The French vanguard had no choice but to advance into a constant barrage of arrow fire, akin to modern machine-gun fire. Those who managed to reach the English men-at-arms were too tightly packed to raise their weapons to fight. Most were killed or injured in the melee, many by a swift dagger to the neck. Their fate persuaded their colleagues in the remaining French lines that entering the fray could be suicidal. As a result Agincourt was marked by accusations of cowardice and treason."


The full article, which at two pages is probably too much for HA readers, can, nevertheless, be read here:


http://www.southampton.ac.uk/research/southamptonstories/lawartsoc/agincourt.html

[SammiValentine]

Cheers Sammi, nice to see high score on the British Tgirl thread as well, you got my vote!

thanks hun !!!:D

[mathematics1900]

i prefer your version as well :D

That was a really sweet thing to say.

[spunktrumpet]

. But QI is a tv quiz show in England where they debunk popular myths and misconceptions, and I'd be very surprised if the researchers on that show were wrong.

Yeah, as long as it's on TV it must be right, I too would be in awe if any TV programme ever skewed the facts to up the ratings and attract more people who are easily influenced, just saying lol.

[loveboof]

Yeah, as long as it's on TV it must be right, I too would be in awe if any TV programme ever skewed the facts to up the ratings and attract more people who are easily influenced, just saying lol.

lol. Well what you're saying is fucking stupid. Have you seen Qi? You can make a documentary with the leading specialists in any given field, and the fact it is shown on tv does not undermine the subject or accuracy of their evidence.

What is your evidence? The fact you were attached to an artillery regiment, then read a book? You know I'd be in awe if an author of a book ever skewed the facts. (just saying)

My dad told me about that myth as a kid, and it's a cool story. Does that make it true? No. You don't know for a fact what the origin of the gesture is - so your absurd hostility towards me and crazy defensive stance on something so unimportant does raise a few questions...

[spunktrumpet]

My dad told me about that myth as a kid, and it's a cool story. Does that make it true? No. You don't know for a fact what the origin of the gesture is - so your absurd hostility towards me and crazy defensive stance on something so unimportant does raise a few questions...

Whoaaaaa, easy Tiger, Had I realised your Dad said it then obviously I would have known not to respond what with your Dad being better than my Dad etc etc.

You remind me of some of the gunners I used to bully to amuse myself when I was bored in the field looking for an argument and all that good stuff! lol!:)

[mathematics1900]

Whoaaaaa, easy Tiger, Had I realised your Dad said it then obviously I would have known not to respond what with your Dad being better than my Dad etc etc.

You remind me of some of the gunners I used to bully to amuse myself when I was bored in the field looking for an argument and all that good stuff! lol!

Dude you must of never been in the military, starting arguments will get you your ass whooped and I am pretty sure you weren't starting fights with any of the combat MOSes. Lol, to amuse yourself? What a loser!

[loveboof]

You remind me of some of the gunners I used to bully to amuse myself when I was bored in the field looking for an argument and all that good stuff! lol!:)

This says a lot about you. I have zero time or respect for bullies! I have never stood by while some cunt has pushed someone around, and I've never allowed myself to be bullied either...

[loveboof]

A bully is simply a coward who feels so insecure about some aspect of themselves that they need to pick on others to make themselves feel big. It's fucking pathetic.

[spunktrumpet]

Dude you must of never been in the military, starting arguments will get you your ass whooped and I am pretty sure you weren't starting fights with any of the combat MOSes. Lol, to amuse yourself? What a loser!

WTF is a combat MOSes? New one on me that. Must be something so secret they are all hard as fuck, you're right I,m shitting bricks already, lol!:praying:

[spunktrumpet]

This says a lot about you. I have zero time or respect for bullies! I have never stood by while some cunt has pushed someone around, and I've never allowed myself to be bullied either...

Dude you are a natural victim type of guy, I would have been teabagging you in week 1 of basic if you were in my section. Good job you never joined the Army seeing as the entire organisation is built around bullying to get anything done, The Officers bully the Senior ranks, the Senior ranks bully the Junior ranks etc etc thats how it works fella, unfortunately not everyone's cut out for it.

[mathematics1900]

WTF is a combat MOSes? New one on me that. Must be something so secret they are all hard as fuck, you're right I,m shitting bricks already, lol!

Something so secret, wow this guy is even too stupid to google combat MOS. MOS means "Military Occupational Specialty", a gunner would be considered a combat MOS because the position he has is listed as combat oriented. How stupid are you? You're probably shitting bricks because if you met real men and not the ones you target for bullying, they would rip you a new asshole...if you're boyfriend hasn't already done it for you.


Dude you are a natural victim type of guy, I would have been teabagging you in week 1 of basic if you were in my section. Good job you never joined the Army seeing as the entire organisation is built around bullying to get anything done, The Officers bully the Senior ranks, the Senior ranks bully the Junior ranks etc etc thats how it works fella, unfortunately not everyone's cut out for it.

Um yeah, you've never been in the military. Bullying to get stuff done, are the armed forces in the UK that much different? I'm pretty sure most people in the military hate people like you, you make the work that much more difficult, you can't work in a team, and you're walking around trying to be macho when you don't realize the pistol in my hand makes us equal. What was your highest obtained rank in the military?

[oifarang]

Who has the biggest handbag out of you two then ?

[spunktrumpet]

Who has the biggest handbag out of you two then ?

Me without a shadow of a doubt!

[spunktrumpet]

Something so secret, wow this guy is even too stupid to google combat MOS. MOS means "Military Occupational Specialty", a gunner would be considered a combat MOS because the position he has is listed as combat oriented. How stupid are you? You're probably shitting bricks because if you met real men and not the ones you target for bullying, they would rip you a new asshole...if you're boyfriend hasn't already done it for you.



Um yeah, you've never been in the military. Bullying to get stuff done, are the armed forces in the UK that much different? I'm pretty sure most people in the military hate people like you, you make the work that much more difficult, you can't work in a team, and you're walking around trying to be macho when you don't realize the pistol in my hand makes us equal. What was your highest obtained rank in the military?

I was a general, everyone loved me.

[mathematics1900]

I was a general, everyone loved me.

Seeing as I am included in the word "everyone", and I don't love you, I am suspicious. Then to state you were a general, lol, now you're just a liar. I bet you got discharged one week into boot camp because you were asking the other men to teabag you.

[spunktrumpet]

Seeing as I am included in the word "everyone", and I don't love you, I am suspicious. Then to state you were a general, lol, now you're just a liar. I bet you got discharged one week into boot camp because you were asking the other men to teabag you.

No, honestly............I really was a general, adored by the masses, ask anyone!

[mathematics1900]

Lol, whatever you say boy.

[spunktrumpet]

Lol, whatever you say boy.

Good to see you finally agreeing with me.

[mathematics1900]

Yes, yes, boy, whatever you need, say, or want, it will all be yours, we'll spoil you rotten with candy creme and peppermint pies. Does that sound nice?

[spunktrumpet]

Yes, yes, boy, whatever you need, say, or want, it will all be yours, we'll spoil you rotten with candy creme and peppermint pies. Does that sound nice?

Sounds awesome

[mathematics1900]

Haha, baited, too funny.

[spunktrumpet]

Haha, baited, too funny.

Good one!

[mathematics1900]

LOL!!! Dude actually pretends that he understands, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[spunktrumpet]

LOL!!! Dude actually pretends that he understands, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh dude! There was me thinking we were starting to get along.

[mathematics1900]

Oh dude! There was me thinking we were starting to get along.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, dude hasn't posted anything in this forum and immediately when I post he posts a reply, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! GENERAL? BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mathematics1900]

People lying about being in the military really pisses me off...

[spunktrumpet]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, dude hasn't posted anything in this forum and immediately when I post he posts a reply, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! GENERAL? BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now you're just trying to hurt my feelings.

[Stavros]

What is it that you two are arguing about? The historian Anne Curry has explained the military significance of the archers at Agincourt, isn't that enough to put this to bed; or come up with another theory on the V sign?

[oifarang]

What is it that you two are arguing about? The historian Anne Curry has explained the military significance of the archers at Agincourt, isn't that enough to put this to bed; or come up with another theory on the V sign?

I thought the V sign was something to do with Spock and the Vulcans:confused:

[loveboof]

Dude you are a natural victim type of guy, I would have been teabagging you in week 1 of basic if you were in my section.
Yeah whatever General Teabag...

You're obviously a complete numpty so I'll leave you to amuse yourself - but as I said all bullies are cowards. And the ones on the internet are even more pathetic!