Men on dating ts women

[MrsKellyPierce]

Men, besides the obvious judgement and segregation that can come along with dating a transsexual women.

Is another reason it's hard to date trans-women because of the contempt many transsexual woman seem to have towards men?

I have never really understand the hate and how loosely the term "tranny chaser" is thrown about.

Also why the word shemale is such a sacrilege, besides it being a porn term. Some get mad, because of it having "male" in it. Well so does female = FE-MALE...

Then you got the transsexuals who want this prince charming sort of man that has never been with a transsexual and would never ever want to be with another transsexual besides her or be attracted to another transsexual. It's like get a GRIP on reality...

Then a man is called a 'tranny chaser' due to the fact he has slept around with so many girls. Well girls men do the same with women...and if they dated one tgirl he may want to date another tgirl...

Or how insensitive transsexuals are to the men who are interested in them. It's like don't you remember what it was like to come out to your friends and family, the male has to deal with something similar who dates you. If you just gave the guy a chance he may not be such a bad guy after all. I just find transsexuals seem to demonize men.

Lastly, porn girls that get so up in arms over the term shemale and go after companies like say Steven's because he uses the terminology shemale...BUT SWEETHEART noone is forcing you to pose for that site..if you don't want men to label you a shemale..why promote it by posing for the site? It's always been hypocritical to me. Can you really get mad if so and so who has never been with a ts just came from a porn site looking at your video called Shemale Fill in blank...calls you a hot "shemale"?? I mean girls will go off and get all bitchy..and then in turn the guy feeling attacked says something stupid and hurtful cause of it. Then it's like world war 500..why can't the transsexual pornstar just say sweety I prefer to be called whatever the case may be..instead of being a cunt about it? The guy under most circumstances will be respectful if he is treated respectfully.

I just find transsexuals in general like to play the victim and can be so hypocritical. Yet they want everyone to feel sorry for them or see things their way or have empathy for them. Yet they have no empathy or look at themselves in the mirror..

Do you think you would be more willing to date a transsexual woman if so many didn't have so many hang ups on men?

Or what is your perception...

I know this thread is going to cause a commotion and some hate...

But I think transsexuals have had their say on men on here 100 times over, so why not let the men INTELLECTUALLY (not disrespectfully) say theirs...

Just a few thoughts I had and a blog I want to write so it would be great to get some views from men..

[chromeheart44m]

great post kelly .I have found when I meet a girl I want to date she just wants 2 "date" for an hour or so. I have taken tgirls to dinner and movies and to central park concerts but they always appear to be disgruntled and in a hurry to get back to their money so now sadly i jus pay and play.

[MrsKellyPierce]

great post kelly .I have found when I meet a girl I want to date she just wants 2 "date" for an hour or so. I have taken tgirls to dinner and movies and to central park concerts but they always appear to be disgruntled and in a hurry to get back to their money so now sadly i jus pay and play.
Yes, a majority are working girls. But there are also quite a few who aren't, usually those girls don't hang in the transsexual scene though.

If they do they hang in LGBT activist works...so that may be a place for you to start looking.

[bluesoul]

I just find transsexuals in general like to play the victim and can be so hypocritical. Yet they want everyone to feel sorry for them or see things their way or have empathy for them. Yet they have no empathy or look at themselves in the mirror..


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default tranny response = "why are you even hereif you don't like transsexuals? obviously you love us since you spend so much time thinking about us etc etc"

[MrsKellyPierce]

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default tranny response = "why are you even hereif you don't like transsexuals? obviously you love us since you spend so much time thinking about us etc etc"
lmao I am not saying men don't have their faults, I'm just saying transsexuals overly demonize men that are into us

[EvonRose]

I read men, maybe sometimes overanalyze it... but it helps me.

If a man truly wants to be in a relationship with me, he would have no problem taking me out, having a blast with me and at the end of the night have no sex, men who want sex at the begging want freebies. If that;s the case I might as well charge.

I guess being in the industry, I am so deprived of emotional connections, that I truly seek that when looking for a partner, It's more to it than sex because I know i deliver in bed, so lets move on and get on with the substance.

[bluesoul]

If a man truly wants to be in a relationship with me, he would have no problem taking me out, having a blast with me and at the end of the night have no sex, men who want sex at the begging want freebies. If that;s the case I might as well charge.
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amazing response. any hope of a rational response on kelly's behalf has just been thwarted by this single sentence.

[GroobySteven]

amazing response. any hope of a rational response on kelly's behalf has just been thwarted by this thing sentence.

Well I agree with her. If you want to date a TS woman then take her out as you would any woman and don't expect just because she's a TS it would lead to sex right away.

[giovanni_hotel]

I've always told myself some of the difficulties in dealing with many TGs has more to do with how hard it is to BE transgendered.

I put up with more shit from a TG than I would a GG, to a point. If it's really too hard being up front with one another I just bounce and quit trying.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well I agree with her. If you want to date a TS woman then take her out as you would any woman and don't expect just because she's a TS it would lead to sex right away.
I don't necessarily agree..loads of men invite women over to their house to "watch movies" just for sex..

I think if the guy is being honest he wants nothing serious and isn't ready to come out..and if the girl still proceeds it's her own fault she got burnt..not the man she is angry with.

A lot of the issues trans-women have are of their own fault..

[bluesoul]

Well I agree with her. If you want to date a TS woman then take her out as you would any woman and don't expect just because she's a TS it would lead to sex right away.

with one exception: one can go out with "any woman" and still expect sex right away. and if you're working "in the industry", it's likely that you have a demeanor that suggests the night might be ending with more than just a peck on the cheek.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I read men, maybe sometimes overanalyze it... but it helps me.

If a man truly wants to be in a relationship with me, he would have no problem taking me out, having a blast with me and at the end of the night have no sex, men who want sex at the begging want freebies. If that;s the case I might as well charge.

I guess being in the industry, I am so deprived of emotional connections, that I truly seek that when looking for a partner, It's more to it than sex because I know i deliver in bed, so lets move on and get on with the substance.
That's your choice to make not to have sex with him..

Most men in this day in era expect sex at the end of a date or at least second base...

That goes for straight/gay/trans relationships etc

It's up to the two parties to conduct themselves in the manner they want.

I've dated plenty of men long term who never had a single long term relationship, and that's cause I didn't put out in the first month or even second month.

I made him work for it..a lot of men think if she is gonna sleep with me on the first night then she must do this with everyone..

So in a way yes it's a way for them to get off fast, but at the same time it's a way for them to figure out your character too..

I don't place blame on men...I place blame on the individual..

You can only be treated how you want to be treated in a dating situation.

[tslvr]

Let's see, I like GG's and have had lots of fun with them both in and out of the bedrrom, no problem. But, I also like TG's, and I like them both as people and, have to say this, I also like them for their special 'parts', and there is the rub. The TG gets mad if she is liked because she has that 'part'.

[EvonRose]

Tranny chasers are men who fetish on women like us, it does not give a hope of stability or a hope in creating a strong bond and relationship since tranny chasers cannot see past the dick fantasy, that is a tranny chaser and therefore would never date one.

If a person calls me she male I would punch him in the face believe that, she male has no useful meaning to describe me accomplishing my womanhood, it's highly offensive and degrading, it's offensive as a term because they don't respect you enough to call you by your identity, instead rationalize it as a term to use to make you a freak, like a hybrid, or a sideshow. Same as lady boy, or he/she, or shedick, etc...

Tranny chasers will never take you as a woman seriously, and i don't know why avoiding any intimate contact with them is bad, actually I think it's useful. i have seen too many gf get used and burned by tranny chasers, and I will never associate myself because I refuse to be hurt, burned, and used.

some of us are only satisfied once we get to full womanhood, and have lots of respect for ts who do not conform to these terms... However Many are comfortable and that's ok too... not my personal taste. But I get it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Tranny chasers are men who fetish on women like us, it does not give a hope of stability or a hope in creating a strong bond and relationship since tranny chasers cannot see past the dick fantasy, that is a tranny chaser and therefore would never date one.

If a person calls me she male I would punch him in the face believe that, she male has no useful meaning to describe me accomplishing my womanhood, it's highly offensive and degrading, it's offensive as a term because they don't respect you enough to call you by your identity, instead rationalize it as a term to use to make you a freak, like a hybrid, or a sideshow. Same as lady boy, or he/she, or shedick, etc...

Tranny chasers will never take you as a woman seriously, and i don't know why avoiding any intimate contact with them is bad, actually I think it's useful. i have seen too many gf get used and burned by tranny chasers, and I will never associate myself because I refuse to be hurt, burned, and used.

some of us are only satisfied once we get to full womanhood, and have lots of respect for ts who do not conform to these terms... However Many are comfortable and that's ok too... not my personal taste. But I get it.
Men fetish on women? I think the term tranny chaser is passed around to liberally..I mean any man under the sun who wants to suck a trannies cock is a tranny chaser to some

And you can't say that honestly if you never give the guy a chance to know you other than the sex...

Some guys will fall for your personality or other reasons...

Some guys just need to get past the judgement..as did many transsexual women before they came to terms with who they are..

To just label a guy is unfair...

I assume you don't like to be labeled...

[tsadriana]

If you own your sexuality and know yourself – sex on a first date should not be a deal breaker. Some relationships grow from casual sexual relationships, some from friendships and other you just hit it off straight away. If you know what you want and are clear about it then fine. have sex if you so wish….

[EvonRose]

Men fetish on women? I think the term tranny chaser is passed around to liberally..I mean any man under the sun who wants to suck a trannies cock is a tranny chaser to some

No the fetish is directed towards ts...

Liking a tranny does not make one a chaser.

some men want to have a relationship or maybe even marry a ts. That does not classify a chaser.

If a guy's sexual fantasy is to dress in womb's clothes, what do you call him? A crossdresser, it s fetish.

What do you call a guy who looks at ts women as a fetish? Tranny chaser.

If labels hurt you then it's the person who isn't comfortable.

It goes far beyond just liking a ts kelly, its the main point of the attraction.

I never met straight guy who says "I date any girls with vaginas", they hold a personal standard or in the case any guy would just fuck Rosie O Donald.

Date a man who focuses on dicks so much, get a sex change let's see if they stick around.

[MrsKellyPierce]

If you own your sexuality and know yourself – sex on a first date should not be a deal breaker. Some relationships grow from casual sexual relationships, some from friendships and other you just hit it off straight away. If you know what you want and are clear about it then fine. have sex if you so wish….
I'm not saying they don't, but what I am saying there is greater chance you don't get a call back...

There is a greater chance that individual doesn't see a trans for any thing more than a piece of ass when he needs it...

Cause noone challenged his way of thinking

Or girls validate his way of thinking with their personalities

[rockabilly]

Umm yes .... I mean no.

What was the question?

[MrsKellyPierce]

No the fetish is directed towards ts...

Liking a tranny does not make one a chaser.

some men want to have a relationship or maybe even marry a ts. That doe snot classify a chaser.
Most men that want that were "tranny chasers" at one time..

They didn't know in the beginning a transsexual is what they wanted..

They had to sleep around and test the waters...

And then own who they are..

That all took time and trial and error

Before my husband and I were together he slept around with loads of women and a handful of transsexuals..some that I knew...

Does it bother me..NO...I'm secure and know he loves me....

Does it bother me he watches ts porn...NO...cause that's what guys do...

I just think some things are just SILLY...with the way transsexual women think..

We have been together for four years now..

[Cecil Rhodes]

I read men, maybe sometimes overanalyze it... but it helps me.

If a man truly wants to be in a relationship with me, he would have no problem taking me out, having a blast with me and at the end of the night have no sex, men who want sex at the begging want freebies. If that;s the case I might as well charge.

I guess being in the industry, I am so deprived of emotional connections, that I truly seek that when looking for a partner, It's more to it than sex because I know i deliver in bed, so lets move on and get on with the substance.

how about a movie and then going home and snuggling while watching tv

[tsadriana]

Kelly honesty is the key, however, not everyone is going to be honest about their intentions when you first meet them and some men will just downright lie and tell you what you want to hear. So far, I have only had a small percentage of men be honest in admitting they only want NSA sex, the vast majority of men have lied to me and then to make it even more difficult you have the men who were interested in a LTR but have now deemed you easy and decided you are no longer LTR material.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly honesty is the key, however, not everyone is going to be honest about their intentions when you first meet them and some men will just downright lie and tell you what you want to hear. So far, I have only had a small percentage of men be honest in admitting they only want NSA sex, the vast majority of men have lied to me and then to make it even more difficult you have the men who were interested in a LTR but have now deemed you easy and decided you are no longer LTR material.
I think too many people base their relationship on SEX..and it's the reason it doesn't last and the reason people cheat...and the reason so many can't stand being at home with their significant other...cause the romance died..you gotta have more than that..

and if you look up studies - I would be right on my stance..especially on one night stands

[tsadriana]

True ,but u know Kelly that is so hard to find an honest man .

[EvonRose]

If you own your sexuality and know yourself – sex on a first date should not be a deal breaker. Some relationships grow from casual sexual relationships, some from friendships and other you just hit it off straight away. If you know what you want and are clear about it then fine. have sex if you so wish….

Oh it is a deal breaker for me for sure! That does not work with me.

[EvonRose]

how about a movie and then going home and snuggling while watching tv

That's cute.... I love it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

True ,but u know Kelly that is so hard to find an honest man .
I don't agree..I don't think men are that complicated...

[tsadriana]

I don't agree..I don't think men are that complicated...
Maybe im not that lucky as i thought .

[tsadriana]

Oh it is a deal breaker for me for sure! That does not work with me.
I think is trust btw both partenrs on a first date .

[MrsKellyPierce]

Maybe im not that lucky as i thought .
I mean it's not hard to figure out when a guy isn't ready to commit to a relationship with a trans...

If you like his personality..keep him in the friend category..maybe after he sees who you are and how the world around you treats you..he would be more willing to commit or date on something more serious...

I find patience is needed..just like patience is needed with a transsexual who is pretty much transitioned with a transsexual who is just starting..it can be annoying but I always try to give advice and be uplifting...

I find some just need to be taught and given a chance..

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think is trust btw both partenrs on a first date .
How can you trust anyone meeting them one day? lol

I mean that's a lot of trust to give

That's like playing Russian roulette

[EvonRose]

[QUOTE=KellyShore;1120943]Most men that want that were "tranny chasers" at one time..

They didn't know in the beginning a transsexual is what they wanted..

They had to sleep around and test the waters...

And then own who they are..

That all took time and trial and error

Before my husband and I were together he slept around with loads of women and a handful of transsexuals..some that I knew...

Does it bother me..NO...I'm secure and know he loves me....

There is no scientific facts that everyone see's Ts women in a fetish at first. that is false.

Documented cases have said straight men dated post op women and even married them knowing this fact. So a straight man married a post op, does not make him a chaser not because of the cock situation, it's because he fully embraced her as a woman.

Liking a ts woman is like liking a gg woman, it's a feminine form, It's biologically impossible for a man to turn a beautiful feminine woman down.

Watching porn, fantasizing doe snot classify any man as a chaser. it's the actions of a man towards ts women.

I don't think it's silly at all, if a ts wants to have a meaningful relationship she should def filter out the guys she dates.

[tsadriana]

I mean it's not hard to figure out when a guy isn't ready to commit to a relationship with a trans...

If you like his personality..keep him in the friend category..maybe after he sees who you are and how the world around you treats you..he would be more willing to commit or date on something more serious...

I find patience is needed..just like patience is needed with a transsexual who is pretty much transitioned with a transsexual who is just starting..it can be annoying but I always try to give advice and be uplifting...

I find some just need to be taught and given a chance..

Very true ....Always on a first date i tend to be dressed more classy ...who knows maybe not every men taste the classy fashion,when becomes about dinner date in a posj restaurant i know that the best wardrobe is the classy one.x

[MrsKellyPierce]

[QUOTE=KellyShore;1120943]Most men that want that were "tranny chasers" at one time..

They didn't know in the beginning a transsexual is what they wanted..

They had to sleep around and test the waters...

And then own who they are..

That all took time and trial and error

Before my husband and I were together he slept around with loads of women and a handful of transsexuals..some that I knew...

Does it bother me..NO...I'm secure and know he loves me....

There is no scientific facts that everyone see's Ts women in a fetish at first. that is false.

Documented cases have said straight men dated post op women and even married them knowing this fact. So a straight man married a post op, does not make him a chaser not because of the cock situation, it's because he fully embraced her as a woman.

Liking a ts woman is like liking a gg woman, it's a feminine form, It's biologically impossible for a man to turn a beautiful feminine woman down.

Watching porn, fantasizing doe snot classify any man as a chaser. it's the actions of a man towards ts women.

I don't think it's silly at all, if a ts wants to have a meaningful relationship she should def filter out the guys she dates.
That's a lot different than a pre-operative transsexual and especially a pre-operative transsexual that's an escort..

A lot of men have issues with girls who escort and wont take them serious or as wife material..so how do you expect them to treat you?

[EvonRose]

I think too many people base their relationship on SEX..and it's the reason it doesn't last and the reason people cheat...and the reason so many can't stand being at home with their significant other...cause the romance died..you gotta have more than that..

and if you look up studies - I would be right on my stance..especially on one night stands

I agree on this, and men tend to base a lot of it on sex...

[ed_jaxon]

I believe what pops always told me to be true.

Offer no information but if asked....look em in the eye and answer their question truthfully.

Here is my problem, I like how my life is right now. I am so selfish right now that there is only room for one other person in my life.

I can buy hot. And I occasionally stumble up into some strange (more often than most)

Who would want a relationship with a guy like that?

I have no problem taking a girl out, bailing her out of a tight financial straight or accepting her lifestyle. Unfortunately there is a double standard which I am very cool with.

I am holding the best hand right now.

[tsadriana]

How can you trust anyone meeting them one day? lol

I mean that's a lot of trust to give

That's like playing Russian roulette

True Kelly .....I think when u make the eye contact on a first date u know straight away how the person feels about u...i din`t know that in the past but i know now.

[rockabilly]

Men have to chase you because you girls keep running.

[KelticForce1349]

Men, besides the obvious judgement and segregation that can come along with dating a transsexual women.

Is another reason it's hard to date trans-women because of the contempt many transsexual woman seem to have towards men?

I have never really understand the hate and how loosely the term "tranny chaser" is thrown about.

Also why the word shemale is such a sacrilege, besides it being a porn term. Some get mad, because of it having "male" in it. Well so does female = FE-MALE...

Then you got the transsexuals who want this prince charming sort of man that has never been with a transsexual and would never ever want to be with another transsexual besides her or be attracted to another transsexual. It's like get a GRIP on reality...

Then a man is called a 'tranny chaser' due to the fact he has slept around with so many girls. Well girls men do the same with women...and if they dated one tgirl he may want to date another tgirl...

Or how insensitive transsexuals are to the men who are interested in them. It's like don't you remember what it was like to come out to your friends and family, the male has to deal with something similar who dates you. If you just gave the guy a chance he may not be such a bad guy after all. I just find transsexuals seem to demonize men.

Lastly, porn girls that get so up in arms over the term shemale and go after companies like say Steven's because he uses the terminology shemale...BUT SWEETHEART noone is forcing you to pose for that site..if you don't want men to label you a shemale..why promote it by posing for the site? It's always been hypocritical to me. Can you really get mad if so and so who has never been with a ts just came from a porn site looking at your video called Shemale Fill in blank...calls you a hot "shemale"?? I mean girls will go off and get all bitchy..and then in turn the guy feeling attacked says something stupid and hurtful cause of it. Then it's like world war 500..why can't the transsexual pornstar just say sweety I prefer to be called whatever the case may be..instead of being a cunt about it? The guy under most circumstances will be respectful if he is treated respectfully.

I just find transsexuals in general like to play the victim and can be so hypocritical. Yet they want everyone to feel sorry for them or see things their way or have empathy for them. Yet they have no empathy or look at themselves in the mirror..

Do you think you would be more willing to date a transsexual woman if so many didn't have so many hang ups on men?

Or what is your perception...

I know this thread is going to cause a commotion and some hate...

But I think transsexuals have had their say on men on here 100 times over, so why not let the men INTELLECTUALLY (not disrespectfully) say theirs...

Just a few thoughts I had and a blog I want to write so it would be great to get some views from men..


WOW!!! Great post Kelly! I have contemplated talking about some of the things mentioned in your post for as long as I have been a member of this forum, ultimately I decided against it each time. I feared that I would be perceived as a troll and attacked/despised in the same way that Freddy seems to relish bringing upon himself.

It took me a very long time to understand that I was bisexual to some degree, maybe 25%? (Who knows, who cares?) It took a very long time to be truly accepting of my attraction to transsexual gals. Looking back I can see that when I was confused, ashamed, and fearful of that attraction I had more "sex appeal" in the eyes of the trans ladies I talked to then I did after I made peace with it.

When I truly just wanted to talk and try to learn they were so eager to quickly move things towards sex. Other than my very first physical experience with a t-girl the girls quickly seemed to lose interest. Once you lose your shiny new car smell the ladies are repelled by you. Have you ever tried anything with a t-girl like me? Well I once held hands with a t-girl while watching a movie and... Oh My gawd, you are just another tranny chaser creep. Get away from me!!!! Wait. Are you fucking serious? Yes I am serious. I thought you were a nice guy, you lied to me. You are just a creepy perv! Wait! How did I lie about anything? You asked a question and I answered it! Why are... Get the fuck away from me! Don't call me ever again! Asshole!

I have had this exact scenario play out several times. For what? What is my crime? The worst thing you could do to a transsexual is not to be a group of morons that jump out of a truck and bash her with a baseball bat; the worst thing to say is "I know that I often have an attraction to t-girls, I am super-attracted to you and I really want the chance to get to know you and see if this can become something meaningful." < Dead man walking.

That whole fantasy you mentioned about the 100% straight guy that falls for the tranny is all only real in the minds of the angry, dramatic, self-hating (?) t-girls that make that shit up. If you thought the movie "Pretty Woman" was bullshit, this is the sequel gone full-retard times 1000. Many of the t-girls that I know seem to be starved for love, yet they seem ferociously determined to remain that way. Is it damaged people shooting themselves in the foot again and again for the glory of martyrdom?

It kills me how they will treat you like shit if you meet them in one of the bars. They typically will tell you to get away because they don't want to meet someone "in one of the bars." They hate when I do this but I quickly turn the tables and ask them where else I could have met them? I tell them that they are usually cowards that go nowhere except the bars, the tanning salon, and the mailbox. How can I meet you out in the "regular world" if you seem so intent to avoid it?

Whatever the cause might be I find myself wrestling with both sadness/frustration that one door that is unexplored territory seems to be locked in front of me. On the other hand I cling to the hope that the door leading to the more familiar path with ultimately provide me with the satisfying loving relationship that I crave in my life. Only time will provide me with the answer I want, I just detest having my options being limited by others.

I don't wish to set off a fire-storm but I have felt for several years now that the self-destructive nature of the transsexual/trans-attracted group often mirrors much of the conflicted, and self-sabotaging behavior that sometimes occurs in parts of the black community. The overwhelming majority of us in the (GLBT) seem determined to continue demonizing and attacking each other (attacking ones own self) as (so many) people in the 100% straight community have taught us to do. Is we sick today master? I guess we is people.

[NrthAveBeach09]

Great Post Kelly !
First of all dating and relationships are challenging no matter what your persuasion or gender identity. As you pointed out, men and TS women dating have unique challenges meeting up and maintaining a relationship.
As a straight 30-something guy who has dated transsexual women since my mid 20's, I can tell you that the hardest thing for men is just finding TS women to ask out and date. I live in Chicago in an area called Wrigleyville where there are clubs and an active social scene for just about everyone, yet even here in one of the most diverse active cities in the country, it's not easy. I think a lot of TS prefer to just live as woman and keep their physical gender identity private. Just like the rest of the general population, not everyone is comfortable joining dating sites or putting themselves out there to go after what they really want.
The next biggest challenge dating TS women is the same challenge any two people face once they find mutual attraction with someone, trust. They're wondering if this person wants the same that thing they do. One person may want short and sweet the other may be looking more long term. The trust issue gets magnified between a guy and a TS woman because they just have a lot more questions between them to answer early on in a relationship. Is the guy serious or just looking to explore his curiosity? If she's living a life as a woman full time and keeps her gender identity private, will he out her? If he's not out with his own attractions yet, will she out him?
The whole outing issue has it's own drama. I'm completely out about my preference to ts women and can take a ts woman out, introduce her to friends and still there's some doubt in her mind that lingers until you fully demonstrate your outness. Here I think that has more to do with me than anything else. I have a pretty conservative corporate look and lifestyle, and a lot of woman find it hard to believe that a corporate guy would openly date a TS woman since so many will not. Lots of exceptions there in every direction that's just my personal experience. I'm just bringing up the outing issue because it's a big deal between a guy and a TS woman.

I'll close by saying to TS women, there's guys out there waiting to meet you who aren't all bad. If a straight guy does find a way to meet you, he's already put out an extra effort to find a woman like you, so you'd be right in being flattered and feeling good about it.

Thanks for the post Kelly!

[EvonRose]

My ultimate fantasy is to become a vampire, and live forever. The most romantic thing sometimes is tragedy in love, If i distance myself from my emotions then I would not have the urge to want to be with someone, Just live life to eat them.

[tsadriana]

My ultimate fantasy is to become a vampire, and live forever. The most romantic thing sometimes is tragedy in love, If i distance myself from my emotions then I would not have the urge to want to be with someone, Just live life to eat them.
Good one

[ed_jaxon]

Good thread Kel

You're still a goof ball.

[lifeisfiction]

Kelly is dead on, for me it doesn't matter whether your tg or gg (whether you want keep your penis or not), but I find with tg's its way more difficult. Sometimes its so much of hassle, because they want a pure guy. I still don't know why so many hook up with the bad boys anyway. For me, when I find someone who is willing to be a relationship for the right reasons then it will be worth the wait.

[sosed]

Your question is interesting. I would say that both tgirls and man have to be seen here as an individual. Not all men are the same and not all tgirls or GGs are the same. We are all individuals and in everyones nature is to seek and find his/her soulmate, the special one to complete are souls into one unity. Of course sex is important part of life, but it is not the whole life and in partnership it is important to be compatible also in other parts of life, not only in bed.

I understand, that for tgirls is founding her soulmate more difficult than for GG, because of lot of reasons, but I still think everyone could find that individual, who will be the right mate.

For me, I could say I steal search for my soulmate and hope to find her, doesn't matter if she is GG or Tgirl, but that she is the right individual to complete our halfs into one unity.

[bluesoul]

I still don't know why so many hook up with the bad boys anyway.

it's an occupational hazard of hooking. also, it seems a majority of transsexuals are more concerned with being and treated as women and forget about just being people.

[MrsKellyPierce]

WOW!!! Great post Kelly! I have contemplated talking about some of the things mentioned in your post for as long as I have been a member of this forum, ultimately I decided against it each time. I feared that I would be perceived as a troll and attacked/despised in the same way that Freddy seems to relish bringing upon himself.

It took me a very long time to understand that I was bisexual to some degree, maybe 25%? (Who knows, who cares?) It took a very long time to be truly accepting of my attraction to transsexual gals. Looking back I can see that when I was confused, ashamed, and fearful of that attraction I had more "sex appeal" in the eyes of the trans ladies I talked to then I did after I made peace with it.

When I truly just wanted to talk and try to learn they were so eager to quickly move things towards sex. Other than my very first physical experience with a t-girl the girls quickly seemed to lose interest. Once you lose your shiny new car smell the ladies are repelled by you. Have you ever tried anything with a t-girl like me? Well I once held hands with a t-girl while watching a movie and... Oh My gawd, you are just another tranny chaser creep. Get away from me!!!! Wait. Are you fucking serious? Yes I am serious. I thought you were a nice guy, you lied to me. You are just a creepy perv! Wait! How did I lie about anything? You asked a question and I answered it! Why are... Get the fuck away from me! Don't call me ever again! Asshole!

I have had this exact scenario play out several times. For what? What is my crime? The worst thing you could do to a transsexual is not to be a group of morons that jump out of a truck and bash her with a baseball bat; the worst thing to say is "I know that I often have an attraction to t-girls, I am super-attracted to you and I really want the chance to get to know you and see if this can become something meaningful." < Dead man walking.

That whole fantasy you mentioned about the 100% straight guy that falls for the tranny is all only real in the minds of the angry, dramatic, self-hating (?) t-girls that make that shit up. If you thought the movie "Pretty Woman" was bullshit, this is the sequel gone full-retard times 1000. Many of the t-girls that I know seem to be starved for love, yet they seem ferociously determined to remain that way. Is it damaged people shooting themselves in the foot again and again for the glory of martyrdom?

It kills me how they will treat you like shit if you meet them in one of the bars. They typically will tell you to get away because they don't want to meet someone "in one of the bars." They hate when I do this but I quickly turn the tables and ask them where else I could have met them? I tell them that they are usually cowards that go nowhere except the bars, the tanning salon, and the mailbox. How can I meet you out in the "regular world" if you seem so intent to avoid it?

Whatever the cause might be I find myself wrestling with both sadness/frustration that one door that is unexplored territory seems to be locked in front of me. On the other hand I cling to the hope that the door leading to the more familiar path with ultimately provide me with the satisfying loving relationship that I crave in my life. Only time will provide me with the answer I want, I just detest having my options being limited by others.

I don't wish to set off a fire-storm but I have felt for several years now that the self-destructive nature of the transsexual/trans-attracted group often mirrors much of the conflicted, and self-sabotaging behavior that sometimes occurs in parts of the black community. The overwhelming majority of us in the (GLBT) seem determined to continue demonizing and attacking each other (attacking ones own self) as (so many) people in the 100% straight community have taught us to do. Is we sick today master? I guess we is people.
This is exactly what I am talking about! I am so glad you shared this and came out respectfully!

I like when we all can have intellectual conversations on here and not bash one another!

I so can feel you on this and have seen this time and time again with my ts girlfriends. Which is why most of my girlfriends are female. Transsexuals to me are just to superficial and have so many inside hatred it's hard to be friends with them. I've only met a handful that are sane and cool. I wont mention names so it doesn't cast anyone out.

But I have always felt transsexuals are the major cause of a lot of their issues! As well as deaths..that may seem unfeeling of me...but it's the truth.

[nonnonnon]

I like the chase but not the reward :(

[MrsKellyPierce]

Great Post Kelly !
First of all dating and relationships are challenging no matter what your persuasion or gender identity. As you pointed out, men and TS women dating have unique challenges meeting up and maintaining a relationship.
As a straight 30-something guy who has dated transsexual women since my mid 20's, I can tell you that the hardest thing for men is just finding TS women to ask out and date. I live in Chicago in an area called Wrigleyville where there are clubs and an active social scene for just about everyone, yet even here in one of the most diverse active cities in the country, it's not easy. I think a lot of TS prefer to just live as woman and keep their physical gender identity private. Just like the rest of the general population, not everyone is comfortable joining dating sites or putting themselves out there to go after what they really want.
The next biggest challenge dating TS women is the same challenge any two people face once they find mutual attraction with someone, trust. They're wondering if this person wants the same that thing they do. One person may want short and sweet the other may be looking more long term. The trust issue gets magnified between a guy and a TS woman because they just have a lot more questions between them to answer early on in a relationship. Is the guy serious or just looking to explore his curiosity? If she's living a life as a woman full time and keeps her gender identity private, will he out her? If he's not out with his own attractions yet, will she out him?
The whole outing issue has it's own drama. I'm completely out about my preference to ts women and can take a ts woman out, introduce her to friends and still there's some doubt in her mind that lingers until you fully demonstrate your outness. Here I think that has more to do with me than anything else. I have a pretty conservative corporate look and lifestyle, and a lot of woman find it hard to believe that a corporate guy would openly date a TS woman since so many will not. Lots of exceptions there in every direction that's just my personal experience. I'm just bringing up the outing issue because it's a big deal between a guy and a TS woman.

I'll close by saying to TS women, there's guys out there waiting to meet you who aren't all bad. If a straight guy does find a way to meet you, he's already put out an extra effort to find a woman like you, so you'd be right in being flattered and feeling good about it.

Thanks for the post Kelly!Thank you for coming forward sweetheart! I agree transsexual women favor the prince charming and damsel in distress act way too much..

It's like a delusion upon a delusion upon a delusion...

They are so unhappy, because they are honestly not happy with themselves.

I think too many just use men as a catalyst to bring their inner-rage on.

[MrsKellyPierce]

it's an occupational hazard of hooking. also, it seems a majority of transsexuals are more concerned with being and treated as women and forget about just being people.
I loved that last statement...."forget about just being people"

SO TRUE!

[amberskyi]

Most men that want that were "tranny chasers" at one time..

They didn't know in the beginning a transsexual is what they wanted..

They had to sleep around and test the waters...

And then own who they are..

That all took time and trial and error

Before my husband and I were together he slept around with loads of women and a handful of transsexuals..some that I knew...

Does it bother me..NO...I'm secure and know he loves me....

Does it bother me he watches ts porn...NO...cause that's what guys do...

I just think some things are just SILLY...with the way transsexual women think..

We have been together for four years now..

It's not about how many ts women he's been with but how he regards them

[MrsKellyPierce]

It's not about how many ts women he's been with but how he regards them
I highly doubt that Amber with the majority..maybe for you..but most girls if the guy has been with Susan, Kathy, and Meghan before her..he is out of the running

And most ts girls will hate on a guy and try to make themselves look good...and ts girls will believe another ts girl even if it's not true..

You don't know what went on and why maybe she was left behind..

Some girls are just crazy and other girls are well just sluts..and like I said many guys do the if she'll sleep with me on the first night..she's a slut..

And moves on..it's like a character test..

[Cecil Rhodes]

That's cute.... I love it.

i actually mean it . who wants to have sex all of the time ? snuggling, hugging, carrassing etc is so much better, enjoyable, fulfilling and satisfying,,, atleast to me :) :dancing:

[amberskyi]

I highly doubt that Amber with the majority..maybe for you..but most girls if the guy has been with Susan, Kathy, and Meghan before her..he is out of the running

And most ts girls will hate on a guy and try to make themselves look good...and ts girls will believe another ts girl even if it's not true..

You don't know what went on and why maybe she was left behind..

Some girls are just crazy and other girls are well just sluts..and like I said many guys do the if she'll sleep with me on the first night..she's a slut..

And moves on..it's like a character test..

I have always said that if a guy doesn't want to date a girl for no other reason than the fact that she is a ts than he is a chaser.
I don't care about a guys past, what I do care about is if he sees me as a person or as an experience/fantasy

[EvonRose]

i actually mean it . who wants to have sex all of the time ? snuggling, hugging, carrassing etc is so much better, enjoyable, fulfilling and satisfying,,, atleast to me :) :dancing:

I know right who wants to have sex with me if we can just watch a marathon of walking dead? With hot cocoa? duh!

[hippifried]

Umm yes .... I mean no.

What was the question?
In a nutshell, the question was: Why are so many people so damned neurotic?

If I knew the answer to that, I'd have already written the definitive book, & be way too rich to be slummin in here with y'all. Butt alas... The sheer volume of things nobody knows is too much to fathom. So... On the narrowed topic:

I don't pay attention to the whiney crap. When I hear it spewed out of somebody's mouth, I stop paying attention to them. If it comes from my sexual partner of the moment, I just want them to leave as soon as I'm done. Now I may be different from most, but I'm perfectly content with my own company. I don't get lonely or bored, & life's too short to waste time pursuing friendships with anyone I'm not impressed by or or wouldn't feel comfortable sharing silence with. Our sexual relationship has nothing to do with it. I find the mating rituals to be interesting but personally uncomfortable. I'm not a big fan of discomfort. I don't need companionship, so I find it easier at my age to avoid the furtive feeling out process.

[alyssaluxor]

I read men, maybe sometimes overanalyze it... but it helps me.

If a man truly wants to be in a relationship with me, he would have no problem taking me out, having a blast with me and at the end of the night have no sex, men who want sex at the begging want freebies. If that;s the case I might as well charge.

I guess being in the industry, I am so deprived of emotional connections, that I truly seek that when looking for a partner, It's more to it than sex because I know i deliver in bed, so lets move on and get on with the substance.

I also agree on this, just to let you know I always get calls and emails from guys who wants to date and make friends with me. They said they dont like me as an escort for them.

Ok I say "yes" to them but they didnt even date me. They dont even bring me to movie house or walk on the park. Or dinner or lunch. Or introduce to their friends and family like what bf/ friends would do. Sometimes they would even call me late at night if they can visit me in my room. They just want free sex thats what I feel. I feel an escort to them not a friend or a date lol


I even encounter guys telling they would marry me and give me US visa or UK visa. But I must date them and be with them to check if theres a connection. But I dont really feel they are serious about marriage with me. I just feel they just want free sex and looking for a free escort they could take advantage of. The reason I become an escort is because of this

[bluesoul]

I have always said that if a guy doesn't want to date a girl for no other reason than the fact that she is a ts than he is a chaser.

i think the main point of some of the more "serious" replies here was that it's difficult to meet and get to know transsexuals without the problematic tight rope of being labelled and/or the expectancy of sex (or past history of).

btw: there is a thread on this forum about why transsexuals girls are much better than genetic girls. and, although flattering, nobody suggested that such a mindset could be more negative than positive- as you've now clearly stated.

[EvonRose]

I also agree on this, just to let you know I always get calls and emails from guys who wants to date and make friends with me. They said they dont like me as an escort for them.

Ok I say "yes" to them but they didnt even date me. They dont even bring me to movie house or walk on the park. Or dinner or lunch. Or introduce to their friends and family like what bf/ friends would do. Sometimes they would even call me late at night if they can visit me in my room. They just want free sex thats what I feel. I feel an escort to them not a friend or a date lol


I even encounter guys telling they would marry me and give me US visa or UK visa. But I must date them and be with them to check if theres a connection. But I dont really feel they are serious about marriage with me. I just feel they just want free sex and looking for a free escort they could take advantage of. The reason I become an escort is because of this

Yeah, I hear you... People forget the reality of ours and think we bash on men too much, as a matter fact I think it's the more chance a guy can prove himself worthy of my companion since too many bad men out there.

Same goes for me and work, guys say they want to hang out but they don't put the time of day, as if it's a challenge to them. since I charge they want to see challenge themselves to have sex with me for free, and I'm not going to lie when I was younger i fell for that, now that I'm older I am very carful now, it's not a good feeling at all! I would never give most guys the time of day.

[bluesoul]

I feel an escort to them not a friend or a date lol

The reason I become an escort is because of this

it is also the underlying reason for your problem. you cannot expect to be treated like girlfriend material if you're an escort. also you said you get a number of calls from people that want to date you. have you ever wondered who looks for a girlfriend from escort ads?

[Nicole Dupre]

When I consider someone my BF, I spend lots of time with him. It can be a bit smothering but that's how I like it, as long as neither of us is doing it out of sexual convenience. The emotional stuff has to be there. In fact I don't even consider it to be a real relationship unless I've cried in front of him or we've had an argument or 2. But that's me. When guys want long distance romances, I have to laugh. If they don't want to spend most of their free time with me, why are we even bothering to date more than once? My BF's have been my companions. Having sex was only part of it. There's no way a guy can be a chaser, if you live with him, and you don't know he's a chaser. I agree with the OP to a degree, but there really are lots of tranny chasers out there. GGs have their version of a tranny chaser, except they call them DOGS. I don't go to clubs to weed through the dogs. I go to clubs to have fun, if I go at all. The guys I've connected with have had little or no experience with transsexuals. They dated me in spite of my being a TS instead of because I was a TS. But guys like that are rare and hard to find. Being a sex worker makes it even harder. But I genuinely love men. I don't need my ass kissed,. And I like guys who are somewhat bad boys, but with good hearts

But I'm not kidding myself. Most guys who are obsessive about porn are not dating or husband material. I don't hold it against a guy for checking it out now and then, just not every day. Cock thirsty gay guys and gay male couples watch a lot of porn together. Hetero couples don't do it as much.

[EvonRose]

it is also the underlying reason for your problem. you cannot expect to be treated like girlfriend material if you're an escort. also you said you get a number of calls from people that want to date you. have you ever wondered who looks for a girlfriend from escort ads?

That's the whole topic on tranny chasing!!!

You basically made my point.

Those type of guys are the tranny chasers we ts don't like. And the reason I believe it's only right for women like us to have our guards up. But we get a lot of heat with this mentality, But it protects me because at the end of the day I only have me to protect form losers and selfish people like this.

[bluesoul]

I would never give most guys the time of day.

technically, you don't have any time to give since you're expecting money for it in the first place. this was kelly's point, unfortunately you've been too busy with negative hyperbole to seriously consider anything she said.

[alyssaluxor]

it is also the underlying reason for your problem. you cannot expect to be treated like girlfriend material if you're an escort. also you said you get a number of calls from people that want to date you. have you ever wondered who looks for a girlfriend from escort ads?

i understand what you mean

they are the one who said they wouldnt view me as an escort but a friend or simply a date. so why not give it a try. because i believe they are not lying because for myself i dont lie if i want to date or just want sex with you. but once you date them you feel they are not real about dating or being friends. i feel they just want free sex. so the question now is whats the need for you guys to lie about it?

I also post an ad on a dating site. I didnt tell im an escort and tried dating guys but still the same. I feel they just want free sex and making excuse to date just to have freebies lol

[EvonRose]

technically, you don't have any time to give since you're expecting money for it in the first place. this was kelly's point, unfortunately you've been too busy with negative hyperbole to seriously consider anything she said.

That's very ignorant to say. Just because I work it doesn't mean I don't go out and try to live a normal life.

It's not that I'm disregarding Kelly, However there is another side that you guys refuse to want to see.

[alyssaluxor]

technically, you don't have any time to give since you're expecting money for it in the first place. this was kelly's point, unfortunately you've been too busy with negative hyperbole to seriously consider anything she said.

We are not expecting money
I dont need their money
What i need is their truthfullness that they would date me or make friends with me

I taught they want to date me but why not take me to dinner? not take me to movies? not take me to park and hang out and talk. have a drinks together. they dont do that. they just want to go to my room instantly and i could feel just want sex

[alyssaluxor]

That's the whole topic on tranny chasing!!!

You basically made my point.

Those type of guys are the tranny chasers we ts don't like. And the reason I believe it's only right for women like us to have our guards up. But we get a lot of heat with this mentality, But it protects me because at the end of the day I only have me to protect form losers and selfish people like this.

AGREE!!!

If we are escort it doesnt mean in our normal life we are also escort

In my normal life im not an escort just that simple

Escorting is just a job

[EvonRose]

Allysa, it doesn't matter wether your an escort or not do not think for once it's just the guys that call you, Its a dumb thing to say that it was partly your mistake. These kind of men lurk not just on our ad, but on all form of online sites, dating, clubs, bars etc... He has not lived our lifestyle so he goes of on what he perceives and it's wrong in many levels..

When your young and people are everywhere trying to take advantage of you sometimes you fall for it.

These men don't know what it's like starting at 16 in this industry with a shy and meek personality, not to mention gullible and naive. These type of men prey on that weakness, No one is to blame but the men, when they contact you trough your ad knowing your an escort they have a braincell to realize you charge, and shouldn't expect anything. So it's their fault for taking advantage of that.

[Cecil Rhodes]

I know right who wants to have sex with me if we can just watch a marathon of walking dead? With hot cocoa? duh!

you've got my number . i love hot chocolate and thought mentioning it in the post but did not . my friend has the walking dead series recorded and zombie chicks love me ,,,,, not for sex, but for my brains :geek: :geek:

[tsadriana]

Lets just say that outhere are quality men but the most percentage is the quantity ones ,thats why is hard to beleve most of them.

[alyssaluxor]

Allysa, it doesn't matter wether your an escort or not do not think for once it's just the guys that call you, Its a dumb thing to say that it was partly your mistake. These kind of men lurk not just on our ad, but on all form of online sites, dating, clubs, bars etc... He has not lived our lifestyle so he goes of on what he perceives and it's wrong in many levels..

When your young and people are everywhere trying to take advantage of you sometimes you fall for it.

These men don't know what it's like starting at 16 in this industry with a shy and meek personality, not to mention gullible and naive. These type of men prey on that weakness, No one is to blame but the men, when they contact you trough your ad knowing your an escort they have a braincell to realize you charge, and shouldn't expect anything. So it's their fault for taking advantage of that.

Thanks girl yes now im more stronger and more careful in meeting this type of guys. If you want to date or make friends with me Ill make sure its a date or make friends type of meet up. No touching allowed unless i find them hot and yummy lol

[alyssaluxor]

Lets just say that outhere are quality men but the most percentage is the quantity ones ,thats why is hard to beleve most of them.

Agree so hard to believe most of them. I dont know the need to lie, just for the purpose of meet up! Grrrr!

[allurstouse]

Then there is the where do you meet people? Club life at some point starts to look unattractive. Once I hit 40 things like theatre and dining out and museums had much more appeal than clubbing. Where do you meet people at that point? I had a couple escort experiences and decided i don't think it's for me. I'd rather have a real emotional connection than the illusion of one any day and in the abscence of real would prefer to remain in reality. I also think it's silly to think any guy attracted to the physical form of someone pre op doesnt have some measure of blended sexuality. So what? Who cares imo society has so many sexual hang ups it's the real root of all the nuerosis talked about in the thread. Sex acts don't create identity
beyond the most superficial levels. Charactor, compassion, empathy, acceptance have nothing to do with the physical. i've been mostly out of commited relationships since I got divorced. I did quite a bit of sexual exploration afterwards as well. I really just feel sorry for those of you hung up on labels with sexuality or conflicted about what people would say if they "fill in the neurosis". Wanting things black and white when they aren't is just an invitation for internal conflict. I'd rather have my skin fit and be judged than to pretend that my attraction to transgendered woman is entirely rooted in my predominant heterosexuality. Anyway maybe I'll bump into someone at the corner deli tommorow...who knows?

I think it's a shame anyone would have issue with saying he finds you women attractive or taking you out. I'd tell anyone who asked me " On my continueing journey of self discovery i found I had a deep attraction to transgendered women." i mean so what be Popeye and enjoy life or be afraid and cheat yourself. The attraction isn't the fetish thing either that's being attacted to an object not a type of person being one I am open to....I did meet someone pretty damn mean who was transgendered she reminded me of my wife. The unattractiveness was her behavior she was stunning to look at. I just don't do mean. I treat people right and have no use for anyone who doesn't.

[alyssaluxor]

I really appreciate guys who are honest to say to me that they really want to meet and fuck me but they dont have money. Its good for me as long as i find them hot and yummy ill fuck them lol

But the guys who will tell they want date or make friends just to get a freebie sex and I dont feel they are serious for a date or friendship! Ewwww total waste!

[KelticForce1349]

I have always said that if a guy doesn't want to date a girl for no other reason than the fact that she is a ts than he is a chaser.
I don't care about a guys past, what I do care about is if he sees me as a person or as an experience/fantasy

Uh...It should not be "wrong" that a man knows that he likes transsexuals or prefers transsexuals over genetic women or men as men. It is extremely important to understand that so many people fall somewhere between the rigid orientation markers of:

Gay 100% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10% 0%
0 % 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% Straight

There are loads of guys that can't mentally do the math on their sexuality for years and years of their lives; look at the number of guys that come to this forum and ask " I like transsexuals, does that make me (100%) gay?

The answer? No. Liking or being attracted to transsexuals alone does not make you gay.

Our society often preaches these absolute ideas that don't hold up during intellectual dissection and rational discussion. It is mostly a very puritanical idea that people are born ( God created) 100% and ANYTHING else is the trickery of Satan or the wrath of God ( how ironic?) for not truly loving God in ones own heart. I don't want to go very deep into this particular part but the horrifying number of gay people that have killed themselves after exhausting every method to de-gay themselves says it all.

In closing on this subject it shouldn't be freaky, creepy, concerning, disturbing, gross, perverse etc for someone to like you Amber ( or you Evon) for being the transexual ladies that you are. The man or men that admit this to themselves and to you might actually be more deeply attuned to what they need most in a romantic partnership. This might actually be the first step towards a quality relationship from a man to you, this information should not be a deal-breaker.

[bluesoul]

That's very ignorant to say. Just because I work it doesn't mean I don't go out and try to live a normal life.

It's not that I'm disregarding Kelly, However there is another side that you guys refuse to want to see.

maybe you didn't realize it, but you did. your first response to this thread was that as follows:



If a man truly wants to be in a relationship with me, he would have no problem taking me out, having a blast with me and at the end of the night have no sex, men who want sex at the begging want freebies. If that;s the case I might as well charge.

the point you missed is that a lot of men do indeed expect sex on the first date- has nothing to do with you being transsexual.


AGREE!!!

If we are escort it doesnt mean in our normal life we are also escort

In my normal life im not an escort just that simple

Escorting is just a job

maybe you don't understand occupational hazard, but most people don't just turn off being what they are simply because "they're no longer on the clock".



These men don't know what it's like starting at 16 in this industry with a shy and meek personality, not to mention gullible and naive. These type of men prey on that weakness, No one is to blame but the men, when they contact you trough your ad knowing your an escort they have a braincell to realize you charge, and shouldn't expect anything. So it's their fault for taking advantage of that.

i could say the same thing for myself and list my background- but that's not how conversations work. i won't bother addressing the latter half of your reply

[EvonRose]

No I never said to Kelly that i disagree with her, at some point she is right, many ts are jaded and chipped shoulders. however my insight is of a woman who is just careful and that point was missed.

But we are talking in terms of the regards of tranny chasers, not about men who expect sex not he first date, its about the regard to transexuals. or how they go about it that classify them to me a tranny chaser. I don't miss points.

Being an escort does make one incapable of emotion, or a love life. So the totality of what your saying is false.

This is experiences I have gathered and majority of ts women about tranny chasers, I have not said all men, or even mentioned straight men so I really don't know where your coming from...

kelly was talking about tranny chasers, so what topic are we speaking off on. I am on subject, where did you go? Your assumption of a lifestyle you don't live is destined for a mistake, you just can't state something that is false.

[alyssaluxor]

maybe you didn't realize it, but you did. your first response to this thread was that as follows:



the point you missed is that a lot of men do indeed expect sex on the first date- has nothing to do with you being transsexual.



maybe you don't understand occupational hazard, but most people don't just turn off being what they are simply because "they're no longer on the clock".

also it's just silly to say that i'll never understand because i've never been a ts escort. i could say you'll never understand how straight men think since you've never been one, but that's not how conversations work and will eventually get us nowhere.


is this for real? in Asia most dates doesnt have sex on first date. even on the 2nd or 3rd. usually can only have sex here if your bf-gf already

the process of dating and courting a girl here is kinda tedious

[dabaldone]

Great post Kelly, thank you! I happen to be a trans-attracted man. I've been in a couple of reelationships (3yrs and 8yrs). I've heard the "Oh, you date trans-women. I want a man that hasn't or doesnt date trans-women". WTF! So you would rather be with a man who has no idea on what issues he may have nor what his family and friends would say. These same misguided fools then wonder why thoes guy's have issues and can't handle it. SMH!

[EvonRose]

is this for real? in Asia most dates doesnt have sex on first date. even on the 2nd or 3rd. usually can only have sex here if your bf-gf already

the process of dating and courting a girl here is kinda tedious

This is something culturally very western, Allysa. Men here are stuck on those ways and forget life outside other countries, what do expect from a culture who's divorce rate is 50 percent...

[dabaldone]

I really appreciate guys who are honest to say to me that they really want to meet and fuck me but they dont have money. Its good for me as long as i find them hot and yummy ill fuck them lol

But the guys who will tell they want date or make friends just to get a freebie sex and I dont feel they are serious for a date or friendship! Ewwww total waste!

Fantastic post! Thanks brother!

[alyssaluxor]

Kelly honesty is the key, however, not everyone is going to be honest about their intentions when you first meet them and some men will just downright lie and tell you what you want to hear. So far, I have only had a small percentage of men be honest in admitting they only want NSA sex, the vast majority of men have lied to me and then to make it even more difficult you have the men who were interested in a LTR but have now deemed you easy and decided you are no longer LTR material.

Agree i could relate to this so much

So much lie from guys saying they want date or friendship but the truth they just want free sex lol

[KelticForce1349]

This is exactly what I am talking about! I am so glad you shared this and came out respectfully!

I like when we all can have intellectual conversations on here and not bash one another!

I so can feel you on this and have seen this time and time again with my ts girlfriends. Which is why most of my girlfriends are female. Transsexuals to me are just to superficial and have so many inside hatred it's hard to be friends with them. I've only met a handful that are sane and cool. I wont mention names so it doesn't cast anyone out.

But I have always felt transsexuals are the major cause of a lot of their issues! As well as deaths..that may seem unfeeling of me...but it's the truth.

Thanks Kelly, you are the bomb dear. lol. I don't know if you will recall this but I remember mentioning twice before that I take great satisfaction and hope from the relationship between you and your husband. I am happy for you both, I just want to see it happen more in our community.

The two main reasons why I use this forum are to (hopefully) have healthy discussions pertaining to our community and to post pictures of my photoshop work that I enjoy so much! (lol @ myself.) I don't consider this to be "just a porn forum" it is a discussion board with very few limits. It is what it should be in design, it is not nearly what it could be in the hands of many of the participants.

There are so many petty squabbles that go on every week on this forum about who is most attractive or who is less slutty among the gals. There is so much bickering among the men about "I only like the feminine part. I ONLY top, neeeevvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrr bottom!!!"

Newsflash people: it doesn't fucking matter what part of any of this that you enjoy. It doesn't matter if your asshole is wider than the Grand Canyon or smaller or tighter than the tip of a needle. Nobody in their right mind, no one that is truly connected to themselves in a spiritual way believes you are a good or bad person or an ok or not ok person because you like super-fem trans chicks or if you like wigs on a football. The people that worry about that stuff condemned ALL of us a long time ago. There are is no partial credit among that crowd for your specific tastes.

Wake up people: stop the infighting here at this forum about these petty differences. There are people lurking these threads searching for answers and seeking acceptance for who they are. How you treat your own self and how you treat others for their preferences on here could be the difference between saving a life and making one more person believe they will never belong or be ok anywhere.

[alyssaluxor]

Fantastic post! Thanks brother!

My pleasure always sis :jerkoff

[MrsKellyPierce]

Great post Kelly, thank you! I happen to be a trans-attracted man. I've been in a couple of reelationships (3yrs and 8yrs). I've heard the "Oh, you date trans-women. I want a man that hasn't or doesnt date trans-women". WTF! So you would rather be with a man who has no idea on what issues he may have nor what his family and friends would say. These same misguided fools then wonder why thoes guy's have issues and can't handle it. SMH!
Exactly...sometimes guys that are past the fact are so much easier..

Lord knows I have had to baby and be patient with quite a few of my exes and my husband..was it worth it to me..yes..but would I of rather they had already known what they wanted and dealt with everything OF COURSE

[alyssaluxor]

This is something culturally very western, Allysa. Men here are stuck on those ways and forget life outside other countries, what do expect from a culture who's divorce rate is 50 percent...

I see thanks for the info girl i think this is the reason why I always feel and notice that Western guys ive dated are more expecting to have sex on the first date. Asian men in Asia doesnt really expect sex on first date

[bluesoul]

Being an escort does make one incapable of emotion, or a love life. So the totality of what your saying is false.


i can see now the problem with you is more complicated than just miscommunication.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Thanks Kelly, you are the bomb dear. lol. I don't know if you will recall this but I remember mentioning twice before that I take great satisfaction and hope from the relationship between you and your husband. I am happy for you both, I just want to see it happen more in our community.

The two main reasons why I use this forum are to (hopefully) have healthy discussions pertaining to our community and to post pictures of my photoshop work that I enjoy so much! (lol @ myself.) I don't consider this to be "just a porn forum" it is a discussion board with very few limits. It is what it should be in design, it is not nearly what it could be in the hands of many of the participants.

There are so many petty squabbles that go on every week on this forum about who is most attractive or who is less slutty among the gals. There is so much bickering among the men about "I only like the feminine part. I ONLY top, neeeevvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrr bottom!!!"

Newsflash people: it doesn't fucking matter what part of any of this that you enjoy. It doesn't matter if your asshole is wider than the Grand Canyon or smaller or tighter than the tip of a needle. Nobody in their right mind, no one that is truly connected to themselves in a spiritual way believes you are a good or bad person or an ok or not ok person because you like super-fem trans chicks or if you like wigs on a football. The people that worry about that stuff condemned ALL of us a long time ago. There are is no partial credit among that crowd for your specific tastes.

Wake up people: stop the infighting here at this forum about these petty differences. There are people lurking these threads searching for answers and seeking acceptance for who they are. How you treat your own self and how you treat others for their preferences on here could be the difference between saving a life and making one more person believe they will never belong or be ok anywhere.
It's a reason I distanced myself from the board...

I used to love the group of girls and guys that were on here before even with our differences we still all got on and were able to still speak to each other as humans..

Johnny, Nicole, Emily, Ed, Mimi, Ashley etc etc etc

Now it's turned into a whose the hottest and whose the most passable and whose bitchier than who and whose got the biggest balls contest on here..

It's boring

[kaiser1one]

I have always said that if a guy doesn't want to date a girl for no other reason than the fact that she is a ts than he is a chaser.
I don't care about a guys past, what I do care about is if he sees me as a person or as an experience/fantasy

Even if your not a TS, technically you are an experience.

[EvonRose]

I see thanks for the info girl i think this is the reason why I always feel and notice that Western guys ive dated are more expecting to have sex on the first date. Asian men in Asia doesnt really expect sex on first date

Asian men have more traditional values, and that's why marriage there is 80 percent successful! lol...

[EvonRose]

i can see now the problem with you is more complicated than just miscommunication.

Sigh! Brick wall...

[KelticForce1349]

It's a reason I distanced myself from the board...

I used to love the group of girls and guys that were on here before even with our differences we still all got on and were able to still speak to each other as humans..

Johnny, Nicole, Emily, Ed, Mimi, Ashley etc etc etc

Now it's turned into a whose the hottest and whose the most passable and whose bitchier than who and whose got the biggest balls contest on here..

It's boring
I certainly understand your frustrations. Take breaks as needed but please don't ever give up. I think this thread you created today will do a lot of good for many people. We each can make a difference in this world, it just usually takes a bit more energy to do the good work.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I certainly understand your frustrations. Take breaks as needed but please don't ever give up. I think this thread you created today will do a lot of good for many people. We each can make a difference in this world, it just usually takes a bit more energy to do the good work.
I think if anyone takes anything from it will be good...

I just think people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

Most men may think a transsexual is all about the money...

When that may not be true..but that's perception..it's unfair..

[lifeisfiction]

It's a reason I distanced myself from the board...

I used to love the group of girls and guys that were on here before even with our differences we still all got on and were able to still speak to each other as humans..

Johnny, Nicole, Emily, Ed, Mimi, Ashley etc etc etc

Now it's turned into a whose the hottest and whose the most passable and whose bitchier than who and whose got the biggest balls contest on here..

It's boring

I have been lurking on this board from around late 2006-2007 (If my mind serves me correct). HA has always had its waves of drama. It will be drama for a couple of months, then everyone is happy. After awhile drama again. Please stick around. Drama comes and goes, but in the end its not a bad place to hang out.

[Mayrah]

I think what some people forget is that for an escort, the type of men that see them, are the same they get emails from on dating sites, or out in the club. Which makes the dating game pretty damn shitty.

If the escort is experienced then its fairly easy to figure these dudes out that just want to suck some dick. So ofcourse the job is going to overshadows her personal life, which is the reason why the known ts spots are filled with pay4play girls.

The girls that aren't in the sex industry, get the same types over and over just like the escorts, so its no surprise why so many girls are jaded about the men who want to date(sex) them.

Ps: Treat us as the women that we are, and not the transsexuals we became.

[blckhaze]

Nothing on my end beyond the normal finding the right one deal.
The hardest issue a serious man would run into is if hes dated a few girls, didnt work out like it does every day for so many, but he's known as a ts dater. As dumb as it sounds to me, alot o fgirls wont date a guy whos open to actually dating (movies, dinner, the whole courtship deal) if they heard hes dated girls previously. Its no tlike th ebro code of "shes my ex so no" its mor elike "oh he dated her, and because shes trans i cant date him". I lil asinine imb but oh well.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Nothing on my end beyond the normal finding the right one deal.
The hardest issue a serious man would run into is if hes dated a few girls, didnt work out like it does every day for so many, but he's known as a ts dater. As dumb as it sounds to me, alot o fgirls wont date a guy whos open to actually dating (movies, dinner, the whole courtship deal) if they heard hes dated girls previously. Its no tlike th ebro code of "shes my ex so no" its mor elike "oh he dated her, and because shes trans i cant date him". I lil asinine imb but oh well.
Omg you are still alive lol

[ed_jaxon]

Nothing on my end beyond the normal finding the right one deal.
The hardest issue a serious man would run into is if hes dated a few girls, didnt work out like it does every day for so many, but he's known as a ts dater. As dumb as it sounds to me, alot o fgirls wont date a guy whos open to actually dating (movies, dinner, the whole courtship deal) if they heard hes dated girls previously. Its no tlike th ebro code of "shes my ex so no" its mor elike "oh he dated her, and because shes trans i cant date him". I lil asinine imb but oh well.

Very true Haze and what happens is the guys just eventually accept it. I can find a dozen gg's to date, but finding a ts in this milieu???? Very very hard.

[Yvonne183]

Zee menzz,,, Zay are Zee Pigzzzz.

I never get to the sex part of a date, after ten minutes of talking with me the guy heads for the exit.

While I have had my share of losers I have had quite a few times guys who hang out with me for maybe weeks or months without having sex. Maybe it's where one looks for a man or where one hangs out might determine what kind of man they find.

Although I am not exactly involved in the sex industry, I did have to do things when I was young in order to survive, so for the most part I rarely met this elusive creature called the "tranny chaser". Maybe they were the guys who headed for the exits.

Edit, also Most guys don't find me attractive, that might be a factor I left out up above

[XxXJaslynLee]

from my experiences its difficult to find a man who can genuinely give his all to a ts . for the most part transexuals seem to be a mans "fantasy" or fetish and they cant seem to take is serious because it is still in there head that we have a penis in between our legs and gives them more of a guilty conscience to treat us like a real woman would get treated. that is takn us out to family events and what not. I personally love parading that i am a transexual and i am very proud of what i am and i know it will be much more difficult to find a man who will respect me for what i truly am without wanting to change me or make me be and lie to be a real woman because i am not, i have a cock and i love to use it. men just really need to grow balls and be who they are inside and truly love someone for who they are inside and if that means a transexual than prove it to us and not treat us like we just some fucking rag dolls who want to get laid all the time .

JLxx

[ed_jaxon]

I love hanging with you babe

[XxXJaslynLee]

I love hanging with you babe

ditto!
:n)

JLxx

[amberskyi]

Uh...It should not be "wrong" that a man knows that he likes transsexuals or prefers transsexuals over genetic women or men as men. It is extremely important to understand that so many people fall somewhere between the rigid orientation markers of:

Gay 100% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10% 0%
0 % 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% Straight

There are loads of guys that can't mentally do the math on their sexuality for years and years of their lives; look at the number of guys that come to this forum and ask " I like transsexuals, does that make me (100%) gay?

The answer? No. Liking or being attracted to transsexuals alone does not make you gay.

Our society often preaches these absolute ideas that don't hold up during intellectual dissection and rational discussion. It is mostly a very puritanical idea that people are born ( God created) 100% and ANYTHING else is the trickery of Satan or the wrath of God ( how ironic?) for not truly loving God in ones own heart. I don't want to go very deep into this particular part but the horrifying number of gay people that have killed themselves after exhausting every method to de-gay themselves says it all.

In closing on this subject it shouldn't be freaky, creepy, concerning, disturbing, gross, perverse etc for someone to like you Amber ( or you Evon) for being the transexual ladies that you are. The man or men that admit this to themselves and to you might actually be more deeply attuned to what they need most in a romantic partnership. This might actually be the first step towards a quality relationship from a man to you, this information should not be a deal-breaker.

Dude what are you talking about?? I'm sorry but if a guy can't take me seriously because the only flaw he can find is that I was born male than to me he's a chaser.i'm good enough to fuck but not to love??
All that other stuff you mentioned had zero to do with my post.I actually prefer a man who knows he wants a ts and is man enough to own it.what I won't deal with is being someones secret fuck toy or less

[allurstouse]

from my experiences its difficult to find a man who can genuinely give his all to a ts . for the most part transexuals seem to be a mans "fantasy" or fetish and they cant seem to take is serious because it is still in there head that we have a penis in between our legs and gives them more of a guilty conscience to treat us like a real woman would get treated. that is takn us out to family events and what not. I personally love parading that i am a transexual and i am very proud of what i am and i know it will be much more difficult to find a man who will respect me for what i truly am without wanting to change me or make me be and lie to be a real woman because i am not, i have a cock and i love to use it. men just really need to grow balls and be who they are inside and truly love someone for who they are inside and if that means a transexual than prove it to us and not treat us like we just some fucking rag dolls who want to get laid all the time .

JLxx

Difficult isn't impossible. i see a person not an object, it's kind of why I decided i wasn't going to do the escort thing anymore. it's fine for others, it's fine for escorts, it hurts no one but it does objectify and dehumanize and make it easier to not see a person in my experience. I think transwomen are real women before they begin any physical changes aren't they? No man can make you what you always were. I won't insult you by claiming an understanding of the challenges you must of faced but the feelings are familar. Wanting to change the tigers stripes is hardly a unique scenario. My ex wife spent 7 yrs trying to get me to pick up the socks on the floor adhd man never saw. I have no hang ups about the cock thing but do see it here. hell, i slept with guys what'"s the big deal? I hope you find someone who sees you for who you are not the make believe person in their head. for what it's worth though i had a crush a cis girl once and really had built her into some unreal person in my head and well, ended up crushed. Pretending people are something they aren't to try to find love is hardly uncommon

[EvonRose]

So glad people are seeing it my way... all the comments below from all the women, I agree 100 percent...

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

Well I agree with her. If you want to date a TS woman then take her out as you would any woman and don't expect just because she's a TS it would lead to sex right away.

Hmmm...Perhaps.

But then again sex on the first date is not a travesty if insinuated at the end of the night since it's not what you do but how you do it. If she feels the vibe then it's all good. But if she declines it's not the end of the world. Besides if I enjoyed my time with her than there will likely be a second date to come.

So if she's the type to try to charge me as if I'm some slob on payday based on what was just a little flirt then it's safe to say that this chick wasn't really all that interested in me anyway. And if money was all she wanted then she shouldn't have excepted the type of date that was offered.

And keep in mind I don't think the OP was speaking of just sex working opportunist and hornballs.

I'd like to think that there's a broader spectrum of men and women in the TS community who don't make up excuses for amoral behavior.

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

a lot of men think if she is gonna sleep with me on the first night then she must do this with everyone..


Actually whats worse is a guy knowing for a fact that said Tranny has nailed a few guys on the first date only to turn around and give "him" a hard time. That tends to leave a lot guys scratching their heads at the end of the night.

But like I said it's not the end of the world if I like you, I'll stick around.

Another thing I'd like to put to rest is the term "freebie".

I personally look for a woman who has a mutual reaction to me. Thus if I find you sexually attractive and you feel the same and we both just happen to be felling a little amorous then lets go with it. The key is that both people want it.

But if your not feeling it then just say "NO" I'd have more respect for her saying that then giving me her prices.

[yosi]

Ps: Treat us as the women that we are, and not the transsexuals we became.

:iagree:

from the other side of the same coin you can also say : Treat us as the men that we are , not the tranny chasers that some of s became , it's not all of us.

sometimes transexuals become too sensitive and develop an attitude of: "I don't want to join a club thst's willing to accept me as a member...."

[bluesoul]

Another thing I'd like to put to rest is the term "freebie".

I personally look for a woman who has a mutual reaction to me. Thus if I find you sexually attractive and you feel the same and we both just happen to be felling a little amorous then lets go with it. The key is that both people want it.

unfortunately, that term (in reference to sex) is indicative of escort vocabulary- which is in conflict at some of the earlier statements about how they can put to rest their escorting persona and be regular civilians again.

[Willie Escalade]

Men, besides the obvious judgement and segregation that can come along with dating a transsexual women.

Is another reason it's hard to date trans-women because of the contempt many transsexual woman seem to have towards men?

I have never really understand the hate and how loosely the term "tranny chaser" is thrown about.

Then you got the transsexuals who want this prince charming sort of man that has never been with a transsexual and would never ever want to be with another transsexual besides her or be attracted to another transsexual. It's like get a GRIP on reality...

Then a man is called a 'tranny chaser' due to the fact he has slept around with so many girls. Well girls men do the same with women...and if they dated one tgirl he may want to date another tgirl...

Or how insensitive transsexuals are to the men who are interested in them. It's like don't you remember what it was like to come out to your friends and family, the male has to deal with something similar who dates you. If you just gave the guy a chance he may not be such a bad guy after all. I just find transsexuals seem to demonize men.


That whole fantasy you mentioned about the 100% straight guy that falls for the tranny is all only real in the minds of the angry, dramatic, self-hating (?) t-girls that make that shit up. If you thought the movie "Pretty Woman" was bullshit, this is the sequel gone full-retard times 1000. Many of the t-girls that I know seem to be starved for love, yet they seem ferociously determined to remain that way. Is it damaged people shooting themselves in the foot again and again for the glory of martyrdom?

Whatever the cause might be I find myself wrestling with both sadness/frustration that one door that is unexplored territory seems to be locked in front of me. On the other hand I cling to the hope that the door leading to the more familiar path with ultimately provide me with the satisfying loving relationship that I crave in my life. Only time will provide me with the answer I want, I just detest having my options being limited by others.

Pretty much all of this.
:iagree:

[hefzfavebunii]

Personally, I'm tired of men refusing to be seen in public with me or refusing to treat me right. Or when guys string you along and then vanish, that gets old. MY views on men is mostly negative, I'm not an escort, but I feel like it just to take that power back :)

[savannah]

I am a 35 yr old guy.. I dont understand why someone would not take a "ts" Woman out in public.. Is the best feeling in the world to be and hold hands with someone who cares about me and I her. Guys who are ashamed to take someone out must have some really hidden issues within their selves.. thats my 2 cents worth

[allurstouse]

I am a 35 yr old guy.. I dont understand why someone would not take a "ts" Woman out in public.. Is the best feeling in the world to be and hold hands with someone who cares about me and I her. Guys who are ashamed to take someone out must have some really hidden issues within their selves.. thats my 2 cents worth

pretty much it in the nutshell. Plus really, how manly is it to be scared of something so trivial??????

[EvonRose]

unfortunately, that term (in reference to sex) is indicative of escort vocabulary- which is in conflict at some of the earlier statements about how they can put to rest their escorting persona and be regular civilians again.

If a guy wants to take advantage of us it is a freebee.... it is not worth our time and we rather charge it's a meaningless hookup, and it's getting old.

If a guy dates, or are in serious relationships with us, even it's free we get emotional satisfaction, sexual satisfaction, there is something gained so much more fulfilling to us than some fucking freebie who just want sot fuck and go. If this is the case and you want us to feel like shit, it's natural for us to want to gain something, in this case financial gain.

I don't care what people say, but to me this is totally fair.

[lifeisfiction]

Sex and freebies, hmmmm kinda makes a actual relationship feel like a buisness.

[muh_muh]

sensing a lot of misandry in here
and im not surprised you girls mainly find what you expect from men

[EvonRose]

Sex and freebies, hmmmm kinda makes a actual relationship feel like a buisness.

No or you don't want to put work in meaningful relationship...

Fyi I dont date American men... Girl I suggest you date European(not from uk) men or asian Men. lol... jk.

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

Tranny chasers are men who fetish on women like us,

If a person calls me she male I would punch him in the face believe that

Tranny chasers will never take you as a woman seriously.

One girls "tranny chaser" is another girls knight in shining armor.

So how do you classify Chaser's then get offended by unjust labels in the same breath?

[EvonRose]

One girls "tranny chaser" is another girls knight in shining armor.

So how do you classify Chaser's then get offended by unjust labels in the same breath?

Please show a girl who wants to ever get caught up with a chaser? please do.

A girl to be with a chaser is just retarded... Why go trough all that, when you can be happier alone than with some guy who treats you like shit?

I have not treated anyone unjustly for me to be labeled a she male
A chaser on the other hand....

If your a proud chaser then good for you, But Not my cup of tea.

Chasers and ignorant tards label us she males... Never had I had a person with respect call me that man or woman.

[Marie Thorne]

The issue with chasers is that most trans women want to be treated and wanted as women, not as trans women. Why the hell would any want to be with someone who wants them for the part of them they're trying to fix / get past.

[allurstouse]

The issue with chasers is that most trans women want to be treated and wanted as women, not as trans women. Why the hell would any want to be with someone who wants them for the part of them they're trying to fix / get past.
That's a bit of a catch 22 as well and from the outside looking in could be a set up for some real heartache. I understand it but really if someone wants to be with you it's on an emotional level or they just won't hang around. I do understand what you are saying though. I am not sure of the difference between how you treat someone both with the right biology and someone not unless you are talking about fetish behavior and objectification. In my experience no sex is worth unwanted company for any period of time. i have broken off with women I was having good sex with it's just not enough to sustain anything real. It gets stale without a connection on another level and the sex really the brain is by far the most important sex organ and the one that dictates gender identity not the penis ....i understand why you feel that way and understand how frustrating people like me that don't see it as a defect must be. Sorry :( I understand your pov but it doesnt make you less attractive to many people.

[lifeisfiction]

No or you don't want to put work in meaningful relationship...

Don't turn a relationship into business, it will never work out. Love comes from the heart (I know it sounds cheesy) but business looks at things as a cold caluclated factor. If you love someone you will make it work. If it is business you will only work on as long as the person serves a purpose.

[allurstouse]

Please show a girl who wants to ever get caught up with a chaser? please do.

A girl to be with a chaser is just retarded... Why go trough all that, when you can be happier alone than with some guy who treats you like shit?

I have not treated anyone unjustly for me to be labeled a she male
A chaser on the other hand....

If your a proud chaser then good for you, But Not my cup of tea.

Chasers and ignorant tards label us she males... Never had I had a person with respect call me that man or woman.

Just to understand then you don't bunch all men who find you attractive into the chasers who treat you like an object catagory right? If not i think you may of let the assholes of the world jade you to much.

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

unfortunately, that term (in reference to sex) is indicative of escort vocabulary- which is in conflict at some of the earlier statements about how they can put to rest their escorting persona and be regular civilians again.

Yeah well they know who to feed that to and who not to.

To me paying for an escort is like saying "My bedroom skills are terrible." That's pretty much what an escort is telling you when they say their not getting anything out of the deal.

Last time I checked when two intimate people climax that's called "equal exchange". So who's losing out?

A men (not chasers) some of us need to reevaluate our self worth while they're putting price tags on there's.

I do alright.

[hefzfavebunii]

Please show a girl who wants to ever get caught up with a chaser? please do.

A girl to be with a chaser is just retarded... Why go trough all that, when you can be happier alone than with some guy who treats you like shit?

I have not treated anyone unjustly for me to be labeled a she male
A chaser on the other hand....

If your a proud chaser then good for you, But Not my cup of tea.

Chasers and ignorant tards label us she males... Never had I had a person with respect call me that man or woman.

To me, I don't care if a guy has been with 578 ts's or 0, as long as he treats me the way I expect to be treated. The problem is, all men "chasers" or not don't live up to those expectations.

[EvonRose]

Yeah well they know who to feed that to and who not to.

To me paying for an escort is like saying "My bedroom skills are terrible." That's pretty much what an escort is telling you when they say their not getting anything out of the deal.

Last time I checked when two intimate people climax that's called "equal exchange". So who's losing out?

A men (not chasers) some of us need to reevaluate our self worth while they're putting price tags on there's.

I do alright.

Not necessary...

I have many clients who have excellent skills, just maybe us dating to get there may not be flexible due to age difference, or whatever reasons...

If I am going to date a man, I want him to be my ideal type. Some guys think they are god's gift to women, but it's just does not do anything for me. i have certain types I really go for.

Also as a dominatrix, its logical for a man to pay for that service because special requests are harder to get out of the business...

[giovanni_hotel]

Is a chaser a guy only in it for the sex/dick???

No one to my knowledge has ever given an example of a 'chaser' that I can understand.
I feel like being sexually turned on by tgirls makes a man a CHASER.

Can someone give an example of 'chaser' behavior???

[EvonRose]

Is a chaser a guy only in it for the sex/dick???

No one to my knowledge has ever given an example of a 'chaser' that I can understand.
I feel like being sexually turned on by tgirls makes a man a CHASER.

Can someone give an example of 'chaser' behavior???

Exactly...

Or let's say for example i am in a relationship with a guy, one day i get my sex change then he leaves me, or he tries to not make me get it... That is a chaser too... Everything is dick motivated. But liking a ts does not make one a chaser.

[robertlouis]

No or you don't want to put work in meaningful relationship...

Fyi I dont date American men... Girl I suggest you date European(not from uk) men or asian Men. lol... jk.

You've broken my heart, Evon. But seriously. I've had relationships with gg's, pre-op transexuals and post-op transexuals. And in every case the genitalia have been irrelevant. It's the person and their personality that attracts me. Sure, looks are the start, but they're not what keeps you there in the longer term. That comes down to personality, trust and affection.

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

No or you don't want to put work in meaningful relationship...

Fyi I dont date American men... Girl I suggest you date European(not from uk) men or asian Men. lol... jk.

How meaningful can a relationship be when the tranny in question is willing to give herself to any random slob with enough $$$ to cover a half hour?

See things for what there are people, the "tranny chaser" label is just to counter the negativity that many tgirls resonate.

So call it what you want but chasers have sex with those that there "attracted to".

Escorts tend have sex with anything as long as the money's right. And in most cases bragging about "getting dough" when all else is failing is just another false security net.

And saying that I'm a "escort" because chaser's made me that way is absurd.

So why do chaser's have the bad rep in the equation again?

[EvonRose]

what? We are are capable of being in meaningful relationship, We don't ask every guy for money, we are are not working 24/7. That comment is a sexist.

Being a tranny chaser is negative for us, what dotn you get?

And ts want to be in a relationship we are attracted to. And rather not spend our time with a meaningless sex encounter.

You are highly delusion, and your living a movie. me and my friends would never discuss this matter it is personal.

No one is blaming chasers, we know the root, if this is your truth then you hang with too many crackhead trannies.

Your mindset is so stuck on us charging, we don't charge in our personal relationships, not like that.

Any sane girl would know balance, and personal space. Caution is a must, and a strong head on her shoulders.

[EvonRose]

You've broken my heart, Evon. But seriously. I've had relationships with gg's, pre-op transexuals and post-op transexuals. And in every case the genitalia have been irrelevant. It's the person and their personality that attracts me. Sure, looks are the start, but they're not what keeps you there in the longer term. That comes down to personality, trust and affection.

Aww Robert you know i was joking... I was being sarcastic.

[Admiral]

Great original post, thank you Kelly.

I find the Catch-22 to be too much trouble. I've met a couple of non-pro girls off dating sites and chatted with a few others online, they usually start off by being uninterested in me because I'm interested in them. There is this idea that they are going to be swept away by Prince Charming who doesn't know their status but who magically becomes okay with it.

Eventually, I just said 'whatever' and went on to other things.

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

The issue with chasers is that most trans women want to be treated and wanted as women, not as trans women. Why the hell would any want to be with someone who wants them for the part of them they're trying to fix / get past.

Well since the trannies that you described don't walk around with a "I hate my dick" tatoo on their foreheads. Most men who are interested in women who aren't ashamed of their dicks don't have the luxury of weeding your type out.

Trust me "chasers" don't like to waste there time either so if there was a way of distinguishing the two, your issue with some guys would be a dead one.

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

Please show a girl who wants to ever get caught up with a chaser? please do.

A girl to be with a chaser is just retarded... Why go trough all that, when you can be happier alone than with some guy who treats you like shit?

I have not treated anyone unjustly for me to be labeled a she male
A chaser on the other hand....

If your a proud chaser then good for you, But Not my cup of tea.

Chasers and ignorant tards label us she males... Never had I had a person with respect call me that man or woman.

You do a great job at grandstanding and demonizing "Chasers" but at the end of the day, you'd still sleep with one for the right price.

I have been with a lot of women which include ts women as well. To which many would consider me a womanizer or chaser. BUT, unlike you I still have standards with whom I'm willing to date or sleep with.

That being said why should any decent man take "you" seriously knowing you'd bed the very thing that you claim to hate?

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

Is a chaser a guy only in it for the sex/dick???

No one to my knowledge has ever given an example of a 'chaser' that I can understand.
I feel like being sexually turned on by tgirls makes a man a CHASER.

Can someone give an example of 'chaser' behavior???

Normally it's whomever said tranny is mad at, at that time.

It's nothing to be alarmed about since it's an abstract term just like "hater" meaning that is to the point where it's taken out of context and doesn't have any real value anymore.

So the real question is...would being called any type of name stop you from being you?

[amberskyi]

You do a great job at grandstanding and demonizing "Chasers" but at the end of the day, you'd still sleep with one for the right price.

I have been with a lot of women which include ts women as well. To which many would consider me a womanizer or chaser. BUT, unlike you I still have standards with whom I'm willing to date or sleep with.

That being said why should any decent man take "you" seriously knowing you'd bed the very thing that you claim to hate?

how could you sit there any judge her...you dont know anything bout her life,her reasons for escorting,or her goals.
regardless of us being trans or escorts we are still HUMAN BEINGS.as human beings we all wanted to be loved,showed affection,cared about and etc...its not any different for us

[EvonRose]

You do a great job at grandstanding and demonizing "Chasers" but at the end of the day, you'd still sleep with one for the right price.

I have been with a lot of women which include ts women as well. To which many would consider me a womanizer or chaser. BUT, unlike you I still have standards with whom I'm willing to date or sleep with.

That being said why should any decent man take "you" seriously knowing you'd bed the very thing that you claim to hate?

That's not a chaser, that's a client.
don't be an ignorant sexist, who view all ts women escorts... that's your problem not ours. How well do you know me to even assume I sleep, or escort or the purpose for? They gotta make a living, but clients got nothing to do with the men we date. At least with clients we gain something, chasers you don't gain anything at all. It is an empty, feeling, that has no substance...

The difference we already know a chaser's reason for being the way they are, and they are just using us, and that's why many women tend to rather charge to make up for something that could be meaningless, and instead gain financial income since nothing else will come of it.

[robertlouis]

That's not a chaser, that's a client.
don't be an ignorant sexist, who view all ts women escorts... that's your problem not ours. How well do you know me to even assume I sleep, or escort or the purpose for? They gotta make a living, but clients got nothing to do with the men we date. At least with clients we gain something, chasers you don't gain anything at all. It is an empty, feeling, that has no substance...

The difference we already know a chaser's reason for being the way they are, and they are just using us, and that's why many women tend to rather charge to make up for something that could be meaningless, and instead gain financial income since nothing else will come of it.

Well, at least it's a form of backhanded equality, Evon, to the extent that too many of the guys here simply objectify transsexual women in the way that most men objectify all women. They don't consider that you have a life aside from escorting or porn and that you have personal aspirations way beyond that.

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

what? We are are capable of being in meaningful relationship, We don't ask every guy for money, we are are not working 24/7. That comment is a sexist.

Being a tranny chaser is negative for us, what dotn you get?

And ts want to be in a relationship we are attracted to. And rather not spend our time with a meaningless sex encounter.

You are highly delusion, and your living a movie. me and my friends would never discuss this matter it is personal.

No one is blaming chasers, we know the root, if this is your truth then you hang with too many crackhead trannies.

Your mindset is so stuck on us charging, we don't charge in our personal relationships, not like that.

Any sane girl would know balance, and personal space. Caution is a must, and a strong head on her shoulders.

You started of this discussion as a cold calculating "business woman" who despises tranny chasers.

And now you crying foul because I haven't acknowledged your warm and fuzzy side?

But wait! Then you top if off by slowly converting this into an anti dick fetish campaign only to dismiss my take on the matter as being "sexist"???!

Wow I must say that you're a very interesting individual.

[giovanni_hotel]

Same thing that's been discussed before many times on this board IMO.

For obvious reasons seeking a relationship with a working escort is probably not the best pursuit for a man so inclined.

Escorts all have a distorted view of men in general.

[EvonRose]

You started of this discussion as a cold calculating "business woman" who despises tranny chasers.

And now you crying foul because I haven't acknowledged your warm and fuzzy side?

But wait! Then you top if off by slowly converting this into an anti dick fetish campaign only to dismiss my take on the matter as being "sexist"???!

Wow I must say that you're a very interesting individual.

Were you not the one who said it's our fault that we don't carry signs saying we don't like our dick? As if it's our fault for being born this way?

Or said we are incapable of a meaningful relationship because we are escorts? Just because it was our only financial stability?

It's safe to say your ignorant of our lifestyle and just an admirer who does not know squat, and a sexist at that! I mean the statements above are quite cold too, so why am I the cold one?

If you stick to the topic like all of us are doing the topic was the dislike of chaser, I gave the reasons. I am not going to respect a chaser who jacks off to tranny cock then comes on here and belittle ts women not his forum, or contact us, hit on us, talk to us with hidden agendas due to their sexual fantasy of cock, I refuse to be looked at as a disposable thing because they are ashamed of their sexuality. The only true victims here are the ts that fall for their scams...

[allurstouse]

Not necessary...

I have many clients who have excellent skills, just maybe us dating to get there may not be flexible due to age difference, or whatever reasons...

If I am going to date a man, I want him to be my ideal type. Some guys think they are god's gift to women, but it's just does not do anything for me. i have certain types I really go for.

Also as a dominatrix, its logical for a man to pay for that service because special requests are harder to get out of the business...
yeah, I certainly have my days when that flavor feels right but it is all fetish and my experience not at all like a gfe. One thing I don't get is the whole sissification thing. i understand the connections between sharp pain and endorphins but to me wearing woman's clothes isnt a turn on but wouldn't be the act of humiliation some take it as. I'd just be bored and damn ugly .. to each there own though. Oh and you are clearly right I know my place i didn't know you had the single tail:Bowdown::hide-1:

[amberskyi]

for me personally its not about how many ts girls a guy has been with but how he treats them and how he views them as woman.my current boyfriend has dated ts girl almost exclusively since high school and was married to a ts previously.i dont hold that against him.i think its great.he has a better understanding of trans woman than most guys do.i dont have to deal with any of the insecurities and hang ups that comes with dating "straight" guys.
to me a chaser is a couple of things.its a guy who has no problem having sex with ts girls but wont date a ts woman for no other reason besides the fact that she is a ts (im not talking about legitimate reason such as she escorts and etc).ts women are good enough to sleep with but never to date.in essence treating us like sex toys and fantasies.which is fine.not every guy has what it takes to date a ts but please know your place.i cant tell you how many times my friends and i have been lead on by these types.if you know your not interested in dating transsexual why not just stick to being a client? that way no one gets hurt.
also while i have no problem with my penis and enjoy using it im still a woman.i have sooo many other sexual parts on my body that needs attention and care lol.if your just focusing on my cock and little else than your alittle chaser-ish to me

[allurstouse]

If you stick to the topic like all of us are doing the topic was the dislike of chaser, I gave the reasons. I am not going to respect a chaser who jacks off to tranny cock then comes on here and belittle ts women not his forum, or contact us, hit on us, talk to us with hidden agendas due to their sexual fantasy of cock, I refuse to be looked at as a disposable thing because they are ashamed of their sexuality. The only true victims here are the ts that fall for their scams...

I think that's more than fair. If you put yourself in their shoes though ..wow what kind of emotional insecurity and self hate fuels that kind of cycle of attraction-self hatred- transferred anger. It's got to be a toxic way to live

[amberskyi]

Same thing that's been discussed before many times on this board IMO.

For obvious reasons seeking a relationship with a working escort is probably not the best pursuit for a man so inclined.

Escorts all have a distorted view of men in general.

it really depends on the girl...ive had some awful experiences with men personally but ive also had some really great ones so im not completely jaded just cautious.
a few of us have lives outside the industry that helps keep us a bit grounded

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

That's not a chaser, that's a client.
don't be an ignorant sexist, who view all ts women escorts... that's your problem not ours. How well do you know me to even assume I sleep, or escort or the purpose for? They gotta make a living, but clients got nothing to do with the men we date. At least with clients we gain something, chasers you don't gain anything at all. It is an empty, feeling, that has no substance...

The difference we already know a chaser's reason for being the way they are, and they are just using us, and that's why many women tend to rather charge to make up for something that could be meaningless, and instead gain financial income since nothing else will come of it.

Huh...When backed into a corner, use misdirection ay?

You do this well but not good enough my dear.

I'm talking to you so unless your CEO of trannysRus or something don't take my words out of context.

It was a legitimate question was it not?

I guess you could flip flop and try to distinguish chasers from clients. But "warning" if your clients are all stand up guys. Then it bring us back to the question of why you'd charge them to begin with.

Keep in mind it was you who bought out the Tranny Chaser rant. So to call me "sexist" after demonizing a whole group of men you don't even know once the ball is back in your court is kind of a cop out.

But I wont dwell on it any further.

Good night Mrs.

[rydermorrison]

for me personally its not about how many ts girls a guy has been with but how he treats them and how he views them as woman.my current boyfriend has dated ts girl almost exclusively since high school and was married to a ts previously.i dont hold that against him.i think its great.he has a better understanding of trans woman than most guys do.i dont have to deal with any of the insecurities and hang ups that comes with dating "straight" guys.
to me a chaser is a couple of things.its a guy who has no problem having sex with ts girls but wont date a ts woman for no other reason besides the fact that she is a ts (im not talking about legitimate reason such as she escorts and etc).ts women are good enough to sleep with but never to date.in essence treating us like sex toys and fantasies.which is fine.not every guy has what it takes to date a ts but please know your place.i cant tell you how many times my friends and i have been lead on by these types.if you know your not interested in dating transsexual why not just stick to being a client? that way no one gets hurt.
also while i have no problem with my penis and enjoy using it im still a woman.i have sooo many other sexual parts on my body that needs attention and care lol.if your just focusing on my cock and little else than your alittle chaser-ish to me

i think thats pretty spot on :)

[EvonRose]

Huh...When backed into a corner, use misdirection ay?

You do this well but not good enough my dear.

I'm talking to you so unless your CEO of trannysRus or something don't take my words out of context.

It was a legitimate question was it not?

I guess you could flip flop and try to distinguish chasers from clients. But "warning" if your clients are all stand up guys. Then it bring us back to the question of why you'd charge them to begin with.

Keep in mind it was you who bought out the Tranny Chaser rant. So to call me "sexist" after demonizing a whole group of men you don't even know once the ball is back in your court is kind of a cop out.

But I wont dwell on it any further.

Good night Mrs.

Well scroll down and read your own quotes...

I didn't bring up tranny chaser, It was a reply to the topic discussing about tranny chasers but Kelly... So what exactly is the problem? with most of the women actually agree with me on. i am just expressing what majority of women feel. Obviously, chaser like you have different views than ts women on the opposite end...

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

Were you not the one who said it's our fault that we don't carry signs saying we don't like our dick? As if it's our fault for being born this way?

Or said we are incapable of a meaningful relationship because we are escorts? Just because it was our only financial stability?

It's safe to say your ignorant of our lifestyle and just an admirer who does not know squat, and a sexist at that! I mean the statements above are quite cold too, so why am I the cold one?

If you stick to the topic like all of us are doing the topic was the dislike of chaser, I gave the reasons. I am not going to respect a chaser who jacks off to tranny cock then comes on here and belittle ts women not his forum, or contact us, hit on us, talk to us with hidden agendas due to their sexual fantasy of cock, I refuse to be looked at as a disposable thing because they are ashamed of their sexuality. The only true victims here are the ts that fall for their scams...

I was being facetious and you know it.

And now you're going all over the place with this but I'll throw in the towel for now because this is going nowhere beyond conjecture and frustration.

Here's some food for thought though...

If tranny chaser's, fetishes and fantasies leave that bitter a taste in your mouth (no pun intended) wouldn't being a librarian be wiser career move???

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

Same thing that's been discussed before many times on this board IMO.

For obvious reasons seeking a relationship with a working escort is probably not the best pursuit for a man so inclined.

Escorts all have a distorted view of men in general.

Hey now that's "sexist" talk! You've been warned LMAO!

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

Well scroll down and read your own quotes...

I didn't bring up tranny chaser, It was a reply to the topic discussing about tranny chasers but Kelly... So what exactly is the problem? with most of the women actually agree with me on. i am just expressing what majority of women feel. Obviously, chaser like you have different views than ts women on the opposite end...

Wait!

So all women feel that they should charge guys for sex on the first date if they're pressed for sex?

Hmm maybe you should re-read what you've posted to see who quickly this went from "you" for yourself to you calling on the entire Tranny Universe to help pull your foot out of you mouth.

This isn't about other Tgirls even other escorts since many conduct themselves differently. I was questioning you based on what you posted.

So how does that constitute as being sexist???

Don't ans. that....this whole conversation has become counterproductive. Beside those who are open-minded and hold no bias should be able to see the big picture.

As for me, I say to hell with labels.

[buttslinger]

I'm witty, handsome, and charming, you would think life is a picnic for me. A beam under my house cracked it's going to cost 9 grand to fix it. I pay it because I have to pay it. That's life. This week.
But if you girls all agree you're these tragic women trapped in men's bodies I don't understand why you don't just spend the damn money on your damn LIFE and get the operation? I'm not so sure you don't kind of like the high drama that comes with being a TS.

[alyssaluxor]

I could relate and agree with Evon and other girls here ;)

I also dont have problems dating guys who dated many TS girls before. The problem I have with them is how they treat me.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I can't relate at all...

Just sounds like bitterness to me

[buckjohnson]

I can't relate at all...

Just sounds like bitterness to me


agreed

[hefzfavebunii]

I can't relate at all...

Just sounds like bitterness to me

People's views are simply the product of their experiences. Some people are very lucky in love, and some people never get a break. Don't be surprised if someone who can never get a break is a bit bitter.

[yngnwburbsguy]

Wow, what a read... I just read the 16 pages of comments so I didn't reply without hearing what was already said. This topic could be taken in so many directions and angles. I think many people have hit a great deal of quality points in this post. Kelly has set a spark that is turning into a forest fire!

Relationships are difficult, people are guarded, and labels change the dynamic of conversations. Using words like tranny chaser or shemale to describe someone you just started talking to steers the conversation into a new direction. If you want to impress or come off in a good light, words should be considered before said.

To prevent this post from being too long (if it isn't already) I will focus on my own experiences. I have been asked if I dated or was with a tgirl within the first hour of meeting which put me in a defensive mindset. I also think its odd to talk to a GG about past GG relationships on the first date as well. Talking about past relationships in hopes to start a new one is a poor model to follow in my eyes.

Trying to date any certain "type" really limits finding the right person. Every type of person has their own baggage, not all the same but in my experience there is cross over. Only trying to date a tg limits the dating pool, and may start a relationship for the wrong reason. Tg's that escort have approached sex as a transaction and are a product of their experiences. As well are the guys who have interacted with Tg's, both who are and arent escorts.

I have meet great people and not so great people in every form, each with their own quirks and subtleties. I feel everyone should just try to trust and be open without being naive; I know... easier said then done.

[yngnwburbsguy]

you beat me to the chase, well said!


People's views are simply the product of their experiences. Some people are very lucky in love, and some people never get a break. Don't be surprised if someone who can never get a break is a bit bitter.

[Nicole Dupre]

Btw, chasers LOVE to debate with transsexuals about why they shouldn't pay and about whether or not they're chasers. Chasers are proud to be chasers around other guys if they know the guys are into transsexuals, but play innocent around transsexuals themselves. They try to shame transsexuals for even charging at all. And they are the first guys to lie to GGs that they fuck transsexuals at all. Chasers are basically hardcore liars. They're manipulative. They're often trying to outwit transsexuals to boost their own egos. They're basically narcissists.

[amberskyi]

Btw, chasers LOVE to debate with transsexuals about why they shouldn't pay and about whether or not they're chasers. Chasers are proud to be chasers around other guys if they know the guys are into transsexuals, but play innocent around transsexuals themselves. They try to shame transsexuals for even charging at all. And they are the first guys to lie to GGs that they fuck transsexuals at all. Chasers are basically hardcore liars. They're manipulative. They're often trying to outwit transsexuals to boost their own egos. They're basically narcissists.

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

[alyssaluxor]

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

from my experience also

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

[alyssaluxor]

People's views are simply the product of their experiences. Some people are very lucky in love, and some people never get a break. Don't be surprised if someone who can never get a break is a bit bitter.

:iagree:

And I think im not just little bit bitter im also really jealous sometimes with TS girls with bf

Its always been my dream to have a bf, i just want to experience even just 1 day

[Mayrah]

Btw, chasers LOVE to debate with transsexuals about why they shouldn't pay and about whether or not they're chasers. Chasers are proud to be chasers around other guys if they know the guys are into transsexuals, but play innocent around transsexuals themselves. They try to shame transsexuals for even charging at all. And they are the first guys to lie to GGs that they fuck transsexuals at all. Chasers are basically hardcore liars. They're manipulative. They're often trying to outwit transsexuals to boost their own egos. They're basically narcissists.

Perfect description of alot of posters on this forum. :p

[Admiral]

Btw, chasers LOVE to debate with transsexuals about why they shouldn't pay and about whether or not they're chasers. Chasers are proud to be chasers around other guys if they know the guys are into transsexuals, but play innocent around transsexuals themselves. They try to shame transsexuals for even charging at all. And they are the first guys to lie to GGs that they fuck transsexuals at all. Chasers are basically hardcore liars. They're manipulative. They're often trying to outwit transsexuals to boost their own egos. They're basically narcissists.



See, this is the kind of stuff that makes me throw in the towel. Yes, it's a fetish. How many genetic girls with big boobs have exactly the same problem? I think most of them end up with guys who like big boobs, and there isn't this whole psychoanalytic thing about being a narcissistic boob chaser. The guys probably lie to small-breasted women, and try not to pay. Other than maybe Charlie Sheen, nobody WANTs to pay.

I'm sufficiently libertarian not to care how you make your money. But escorting is illegal where I live, and pretty risky to boot. So, while I might be looking for a TS relationship, I'm not looking to pay for it. This is in common with 99% of relationships (although I agree with the saying that you always pay for it one way or another).

Finally, as the proprietor of a cock, I can't imagine somebody wanting to cut theirs off, whatever the reason. Therefore, I couldn't imagine having a relationship with somebody who wanted or had SRS. I don't feel like this is something for which I need to apologize.

Alyssa: if you ever find yourself in America, I could help you with the one night thing. I don't post here much, but I read fairly often and I like your posts - and pictures.

[Nicole Dupre]

See, this is the kind of stuff that makes me throw in the towel. Yes, it's a fetish. How many genetic girls with big boobs have exactly the same problem? I think most of them end up with guys who like big boobs, and there isn't this whole psychoanalytic thing about being a narcissistic boob chaser. The guys probably lie to small-breasted women, and try not to pay. Other than maybe Charlie Sheen, nobody WANTs to pay.

I'm sufficiently libertarian not to care how you make your money. But escorting is illegal where I live, and pretty risky to boot. So, while I might be looking for a TS relationship, I'm not looking to pay for it. This is in common with 99% of relationships (although I agree with the saying that you always pay for it one way or another).

Finally, as the proprietor of a cock, I can't imagine somebody wanting to cut theirs off, whatever the reason. Therefore, I couldn't imagine having a relationship with somebody who wanted or had SRS. I don't feel like this is something for which I need to apologize.

Alyssa: if you ever find yourself in America, I could help you with the one night thing. I don't post here much, but I read fairly often and I like your posts - and pictures.
"Throw in the towel" with what? Being a tranny chaser?

Stop kidding yourself. Having sex with someone is not a fetish; not by definition. It's sex. Get over it. And if you consider yourself to be "gay", I won't argue with you. Good luck being a closet fag. But sex is sex. Bestiality is not a fetish. Necrophilia is not a fetish. And homosexuality is not a fetish. You just like cock. In fact, I would dare say that you must love it if you actually spend time on a forum like this.

And wtf do I care if you're a libertarian, a librarian, or Lebanese? I no longer even escort. So get off you fucking high horse around me, Admiral. I'm not here for a Vice Law lesson.

And maybe someone should cut your cock off, now that you mention it. You don't sound very bright. Maybe you'll fuck up the gene pool with your flawed reasoning skills. Personally, I want my cock inverted some day so it looks like a pussy. I'm like getting fucked. I'm a girl. And I want to be done with you delusional cock bandits and your hair-brain alibis that sucking my dick was a "fetish".

[buckjohnson]

Btw, chasers LOVE to debate with transsexuals about why they shouldn't pay and about whether or not they're chasers. Chasers are proud to be chasers around other guys if they know the guys are into transsexuals, but play innocent around transsexuals themselves. They try to shame transsexuals for even charging at all. And they are the first guys to lie to GGs that they fuck transsexuals at all. Chasers are basically hardcore liars. They're manipulative. They're often trying to outwit transsexuals to boost their own egos. They're basically narcissists.

Having an outsize ego, being manipulative, and being a narcissists...i think that describes you and many other females and escorts...which may not be a bad thing overall, but in this discussion makes you a little both HYPERCRITICAL and a HYPOCRITE

[Nicole Dupre]

Having an outsize ego, being manipulative, and being a narcissists...i think that describes you and many other females and escorts...which may not be a bad thing overall, but in this discussion makes you a little both HYPERCRITICAL and a HYPOCRITE
I'm not here to debate stupid alcoholics.

[buckjohnson]

Baby what am I suppose to write when you describe negative characteristics and connation that you share. Now there are aspects in life when being those things are helpful, when you have your stroll on, on the basketball court, etc...But in the context of this thread, it seems a little weird and unnecessary critical.

Do you really think I am stupid and a drunk?

[Yvonne183]

I think most of the girls on this forum are beautiful, for the most part they have to be cause they work in escort or porn, a vocation where looks are important.

Guys come to this forum for this beauty, except of course Starvos who comes here for politics, lol. Kidding aside, guys come here for the beautiful girls and I think in some way there are conflicts with this. It does give me the impression of this forum being kinda superficial to some extent. Well at least when it comes to being serious. I can see a guy coming here for sexual reasons, that's fine, but to get in a heated debate with a girl is kinda bizarre in my opinion. or to find love and a serious relationship is also strange to me.

As I said in my first post, one has to go to the correct place to find love and a relationship, I don't think this forum is the place. But guys are guys and they don't want those average ts's that are out there, they want the beautiful girls and they are on this forum. And when things don't work out, frustration sets in and the endless debates rage on.

That's all for now,, if any more info is needed on this subject just watch Dr. Phil.

[Nicole Dupre]

Baby what am I suppose to write when you describe negative characteristics and connation that you share. Now there are aspects in life when being those things are helpful, when you have your stroll on, on the basketball court, etc...But in the context of this thread, it seems a little weird and unnecessary critical.

Do you really think I am stupid and a drunk?
Based on everything you've said here, yes. I think you're a self-hating, self-destructive, reckless alcoholic. In fact, every rambling sentence fragment you've aimlessly strung together reeks of it.

You're a big dummy. Now put on your dunce cap, sit with your nose facing the corner, and kindly shut the fuck up. Thanks.

[EvonRose]

Wait!

So all women feel that they should charge guys for sex on the first date if they're pressed for sex?

Hmm maybe you should re-read what you've posted to see who quickly this went from "you" for yourself to you calling on the entire Tranny Universe to help pull your foot out of you mouth.

This isn't about other Tgirls even other escorts since many conduct themselves differently. I was questioning you based on what you posted.

So how does that constitute as being sexist???

Don't ans. that....this whole conversation has become counterproductive. Beside those who are open-minded and hold no bias should be able to see the big picture.

As for me, I say to hell with labels.


Where on earth did I say that? All I said was if it's going to end up in a meaningless encounter I rather charge.

Trust me Most I'm voicing out what MOST ts think about chasers. I am not making anything up if you can't handle that truth then don't read.

You are the reason why labels are bad tough, why should you really care? If you act like your label your going to be labeled like your label. You go around pursuing and using a bunch of trannies your a tranny chaser, as oppose to being a guy with respect for the community. you can't fuck a bunch of gay guys in a any club and expect to be called straight. I don't think you have respect for our community at all base on what you are saying and it's safe to assume your a chaser...

Being a woman in the industry It's a bit disrespectful to assume we are incapable of holding a relationship or a date without charging.

Or why it's not respectable for women like us to not want to be with a man who would look at in a superficial matter.

All these objections is obviously going to come from a chaser who wants it for free, and easy...

[tslvr]

This whole debate is wonderful, but let's remember one thing, most guys enjoy the dating, the hanging out, doing things for their girl and all the rest, but at the end of the day, guys still want to get laid, and for me, if I'm with a t-girl, I want to enjoy all of her, including what's in her panties. And, if you are wondering, when I'm with a gg, I want to enjoy all of her, including whats in her panties!

[alyssaluxor]

See, this is the kind of stuff that makes me throw in the towel. Yes, it's a fetish. How many genetic girls with big boobs have exactly the same problem? I think most of them end up with guys who like big boobs, and there isn't this whole psychoanalytic thing about being a narcissistic boob chaser. The guys probably lie to small-breasted women, and try not to pay. Other than maybe Charlie Sheen, nobody WANTs to pay.

I'm sufficiently libertarian not to care how you make your money. But escorting is illegal where I live, and pretty risky to boot. So, while I might be looking for a TS relationship, I'm not looking to pay for it. This is in common with 99% of relationships (although I agree with the saying that you always pay for it one way or another).

Finally, as the proprietor of a cock, I can't imagine somebody wanting to cut theirs off, whatever the reason. Therefore, I couldn't imagine having a relationship with somebody who wanted or had SRS. I don't feel like this is something for which I need to apologize.

Alyssa: if you ever find yourself in America, I could help you with the one night thing. I don't post here much, but I read fairly often and I like your posts - and pictures.

Any pics of you Papi please *wink*

[Teydyn]

I think you're a self-hating, self-destructive, reckless alcoholic.

Not sure if you are an alcoholic, but besides that, what was it again with stones and glasshouses?

[Nicole Dupre]

Not sure if you are an alcoholic, but besides that, what was it again with stones and glasshouses?
Please die. Thank you, dummy.

[Nicole Dupre]

I think all the guys bitching and defending one another on this thread should just have sex with each other and leave all the TS providers alone. I wonder what Admiral, Buck Johnson and Teydyn look like in panties and lipstick. I hope they transition and show us. Then they can be girls, suck lots of cock, and teach us all about how we should think and feel about tranny chasers. I can't wait to see. :-)

[buckjohnson]

Based on everything you've said here, yes. I think you're a self-hating, self-destructive, reckless alcoholic. In fact, every rambling sentence fragment you've aimlessly strung together reeks of it.

You're a big dummy. Now put on your dunce cap, sit with your nose facing the corner, and kindly shut the fuck up. Thanks.

You are right. I do have a learning disabilty. I struggle to put sentences together

I feel that you sit in judgement too often and I have told you in the past that your journey in life worries me. you have correctly told me in the past your jouney is none of my bzness in terms that questions my parentage and genetic make up. It saddens me that someone as bright and articulate as yourself lowers themselves the the way you do and to behave in pathlogies that no way id's who you are and what you are about.

That said, I will not kindly shut the fuck up, and I am certainly not going to listen to you tell me to. As far as putting on a dunce cap and facing the corner...well I that is not going to happen too. I am not going away and resent that you cant handle what I have to write and say. You just want this black man to bow down to you...to be a good little boy. Well that is not going to happen. You know me better than that.

Finally, in the context of this thread, my original comment stands. You were being hypo-hyper critical

[Nicole Dupre]

You are right. I do have a learning disabilty. I struggle to put sentences together

I feel that you sit in judgement too often and I have told you in the past that your journey in life worries me. you have correctly told me in the past your jouney is none of my bzness in terms that questions my parentage and genetic make up. It saddens me that someone as bright and articulate as yourself lowers themselves the the way you do and to behave in pathlogies that no way id's who you are and what you are about.

That said, I will not kindly shut the fuck up, and I am certainly not going to listen to you tell me to. As far as putting on a dunce cap and facing the corner...well I that is not going to happen too. I am not going away and resent that you cant handle what I have to write and say. You just want this black man to bow down to you...to be a good little boy. Well that is not going to happen. You know me better than that.

Finally, in the context of this thread, my original comment stands. You were being hypo-hyper critical
Don't play the learning-disability or race cards with me, you Baccardi 151 guzzling fool. I said shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nicole Dupre]

Does anyone else here want to essentially raise their hand, blurt out something defensive, and smugly let us all know that they're a tranny chaser too?

I know there must be more of you out there.

[buckjohnson]

Don't play the learning-disability or race cards with me, you Baccardi 151 guzzling fool. I said shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Again, I will not shut up you cum-guzzling hypocrite. I have never had a dick up my ass or in my mouth so I can say this without irony, you are the chaser.

Now a previous poster was right. We man like doing things for our female, just not under the sights of a rifle. But ND, females like you makes my pursuit of a TG way less likely. I love you and respect you but feel that if I am with you I have to keep one hand in my back pocket and one hand on my dick because it seems like that is all woman like you want for me...whats in my pockets and what is in the front of my pants. And all i want to to is walk in the rain with the one I love and hold hands while strolling on a beach.

[Nicole Dupre]

Anyway, I'm really sick of all the anonymous bitching about transsexuals who expect a donation for NSA sex. We didn't make the world the way it is. You guys just want to take advantage of us for being born deformed with dicks. You cheap, sick freaks.

[Nicole Dupre]

Again, I will not shut up you cum-guzzling hypocrite. I have never had a dick up my ass or in my mouth so I can say this without irony, you are the chaser.

Now a previous poster was right. We man like doing things for our female, just not under the sights of a rifle. But ND, females like you makes my pursuit of a TG way less likely. I love you and respect you but feel that if I am with you I have to keep one hand in my back pocket and one hand on my dick because it seems like that is all woman like you want for me...whats in my pockets and what is in the front of my pants. And all i want to to is walk in the rain with the one I love and hold hands while strolling on a beach.
Wtf are you talking about? Now I'm supposedly a chaser? Exactly who am I chasing? You? I don't even escort anymore. But I sure as hell know what a tranny chaser is. I've even fucked them just out of curiosity.

It's kind of fascinating to sleep with someone who thinks they're getting away with something for free because you're supposedly too stupid to know better. ;-) I think they're hilarious. lol I mean, when someone wants to be that sneaky, every now and then I just had to see what the hell he thought he had to bring to the table that made him so special he wouldn't have to pay; like maybe his dick was made of gold and would shoot out diamonds. lol I could give away a mercy fuck or two when I escorted, just to see what goes through the minds of the men who were so obsessed with me that they'd put the supreme effort into getting some free sex. And ya know what? They're all TOTAL DORKS!!! lol

[Nicole Dupre]

And I'll tell you why your "pursuit of TGs like me is way less likely". It's because you have to find ME, jackass! If I'm not advertising where and when you can fuck me, guess what? You have to be a MAN and put your best foot forward to attract me to you. And the less you behave like a gentleman, if and when you actually do find me, the less impressed I'll likely be. I may like complicated guys, such as artists and musicians. But to me, "complicated" is not juggling your BS cover stories about not being into transsexuals for your "straight" friends, and then sneaking out to suck my dick. That's not complicated. That's sad. I don't want "sad". I want bold, self-assured, intelligent, handsome, creative MEN. Not little boys who never grew up.

So let's see wtf you've got going on that's so fucking special that I'd want to be with you. Why should I let some shitfaced guy on a porn forum walk me home, to my car, or to my door? Why would I even talk to him? Maybe you haven't noticed, but lots of girls think they're too good to even explain ANYTHING to you clueless nimrods. Maybe you should be thanking a few of us here on HA for even indulging this freak show of nonsense. I don't come here, fishing for compliments, like most of these insecure whores who pass through when they need an ego boost. I get real with you guys. And you know what? You guys are too fucking stupid to appreciate it. So KISS MY SICILIAN TRANSSEXUAL ASS, BUCK!!!!

[tslvr]

OK, I'll step up and blurt it out, I'm a tranny chaser, but I'm also a GG chaser. Isn't that what us men do? I'd love to go on a date and have fun and all that, but I still want to get into her pants at the end of the day, whether she be TG or GG!

[Nicole Dupre]

OK, I'll step up and blurt it out, I'm a tranny chaser, but I'm also a GG chaser. Isn't that what us men do? I'd love to go on a date and have fun and all that, but I still want to get into her pants at the end of the day, whether she be TG or GG!
Yes. That is what many men do. And all women accept that men like you exist and try to avoid you in our personal lives. Providers accept that men like you exist and we try to avoid you both our professional AND personal lives. So basically, the way we see it, you're all dime a dozen losers. I know you chasers are proud of being like that, so don't take offense when we remind you of it. Chasers wear their rejection rate as a badge of courage, right?

[EvonRose]

But the difference is women are seen as a woman...

Ts are seen as a sexual fetish. There is still huge difference.

Think of it this way, guy who is bisexual would def take a girl out and court here openly, then behind her back fuck a guy in secret and never acknowledge them.

This is an equivalent to a tranny chaser, they are too insecure of themselves to take us seriously so we don't take chasers seriously.. It's the circle of life, so deal with it chasers. Pay up! or move on to the ugly meth head tranny, she has a cock you can suck.

my clients pay because they want my company, it's maybe they can't commit in any relationship, at least they respect me enough to know this and pay for my time and help me for my school, and my living.

[tslvr]

Yes. That is what many men do. And all women accept that men like you exist and try to avoid you in our personal lives. Providers accept that men like you exist and we try to avoid you both our professional AND personal lives. So basically, the way we see it, you're all dime a dozen losers. I know you chasers are proud of being like that, so don't take offense when we remind you of it. Chasers wear their rejection rate as a badge of courage, right?

You are wrong on this about me. I enjoy the outside of the bedroom things. It's just that at the end of the day, I enjoy having sex along with all of the other stuff.

[bluesoul]

I can't relate at all...

Just sounds like bitterness to me

pretty much

[EvonRose]

I would like to know when most of the women here transition...

Transitioning at 12 growing up, still being 21 I have encountered nothing but chasers wanting to take advantage of a young, very well transiitoned trans... This goes for all the modern ts who have transitioned as well... as oppose to the older generation. I feel bad for the next generation if these chasers don't change.

It is different for girls who transition older, they don't encounter most of these crap us younger ts do. No to mention this chaser thing has been recent, I was born right dead int he center when it started to just be a cycle of never ending useless, meaningless, Fetish. And it sucks.

Now I have been told there were chasers a lot to back int eh day when ts become more prominent, however any girls can say that it;s getting worst.

It's no wonder that ts supermodel had said " we live life alone, I rather die alone" She was talking about these chasers. Now i don't think that's right, because i think even tough chasers are a majority, there are many men that don't deserve the blame. I think any ts should be able to spot a chaser with the things they say here not he boards, how they act in person, and the motives for their actions. We are not stupid. And that is what makes chasers get so mad because most of us won't give them the time of day,a nd we all have a story to to learn from.

[peter_tsfan]

hi all,

i think all girls (gg or ts ) want exactly the same... to be treated with love and respect and not to be considered as fuck meat.
i have dated many ts ladies in london and always treated them exactly the same as I would treat a GG. its all about love and respect. If you really like TS you should have no issues to go out with them, take them for dinner and introduce them to your friends... If you are afraid what ur friends will say if u date a TS u should change friends..if you do all of the above there is a big chance you will also get some action:) overall for me dating TS in London is the best what has happened to me....

[Teydyn]

Transitioning at 12 growing up, still being 21 I have encountered nothing but chasers wanting to take advantage of a young, very well transiitoned trans

You seriously think boys & men dont try to take advantage of a pretty young GG?

[EvonRose]

You seriously think boys & men dont try to take advantage of a pretty young GG?

You seriously don't get what we are trying to say....

I get guys do that, but being chaser is the disregard to our community.

Chasers are torn between their confused sexuality, and society. It goes far and beyond just wanting sex. it's a perversion, it's unsettling, and it's awkward when brought in real life dating. For business fine! we are entertainers, but we don't like these men weaseling their way in our normal everyday life, its aggressive and uncomfortable.

All they think about is cock, most chasers would do just about anything with tits and a cock. I see many guys gawk over women here and ts women talk about it in secret of course! but a lot of us can't believe guys would gawk over tg here that are very manly, or not even well transitioned. It's like fuck anything with tits and a dick.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think this is all laughable..men fetish over women just as much as transsexuals...

Younger females - big boob females - big butt females...etc

I think girls allow themselves to be treated the way they get treated...

Oh poor me...this guy is only into me cause I have a penis....

No sweetheart he is into you cause he thinks your hot and yes you have a penis..

Just like he thinks a girl is hot and omg she has a pussy...wow..what a concept..

Of course men think of sex...and of course a man will sleep with you if you offer it to him on the first night..

And of course many men wants to get laid without any strings...

Does that mean he has to pay for it..NO..he can be honest..and the transsexual has the right to say oh sorry not my thing to sleep with a guy on the first night maybe we can go on dates or something or sorry honey my ass is only for money...

But girls really make this so complicated and so comical...

[lifeisfiction]

Now that is something that never made sense. I assume everyone has their preferences. Some women like men that are musclar, some that are smart, some that are fat, or black, or feminine, or whatever. But to hold that as reason to why a guy prefers one thing over another is not solid bases. I remember when someone first started posting on musclar women and some people couldn't believe that wanted a thread on woman that looked so manly. The bottom line, there is a lot of men that will only hook up for sex, it doesn't matter if your tg or gg. It doesn't change, they are men who are only after the perverbial "panties". If you don't understand some men will hook up with anything doesn't mean he is confused is just means he wants sex well, I can't help you.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Most transsexuals that I know only like men that are muscle heads..does that make you girls muscle chasers??

[allurstouse]

I am goingto the movies with someone this week. it isn't a date it's a potential friend. I probably will be backing off this board it served apurpose...I'll still be looking at Wendy's site though.... mostly because she cracks me up not the dick and tits thing. I am extremely jealous some of you get paid to be naked on cam. Exhibitionism may be a fetish of mine????? I am older than most here the physical only gets you so far. It's the inside that matters. hotsex is hot but unsustainable without other things. Myself although i'd be lieing if I said i didnt like dick the truth is I have always been an ass legs and b cup breast man on a physical level I also have np sayng top or bottom it feels good if it's done right...so what? i don't feel less manly and frankly I am more direct, more willing to confront what I percieve as wrong, more willing to speak truth to power than most I know and those qualities seem to be more "manly" than the time i spend with dick. i'd rather have a connection with a friend than an orgasm that lasts 15 seconds and is the end of a period of make believe

[EvonRose]

Now that is something that never made sense. I assume everyone has their preferences. Some women like men that are musclar, some that are smart, some that are fat, or black, or feminine, or whatever. But to hold that as reason to why a guy prefers one thing over another is not solid bases. I remember when someone first started posting on musclar women and some people couldn't believe that wanted a thread on woman that looked so manly. The bottom line, there is a lot of men that will only hook up for sex, it doesn't matter if your tg or gg. It doesn't change, they are men who are only after the perverbial "panties". If you don't understand some men will hook up with anything doesn't mean he is confused is just means he wants sex well, I can't help you.

Right and you call this guys into big girls chubby chasers....

[EvonRose]

I think this is all laughable..men fetish over women just as much as transsexuals...

Younger females - big boob females - big butt females...etc

I think girls allow themselves to be treated the way they get treated...

Oh poor me...this guy is only into me cause I have a penis....

No sweetheart he is into you cause he thinks your hot and yes you have a penis..

Just like he thinks a girl is hot and omg she has a pussy...wow..what a concept..

Of course men think of sex...and of course a man will sleep with you if you offer it to him on the first night..

And of course many men wants to get laid without any strings...

Does that mean he has to pay for it..NO..he can be honest..and the transsexual has the right to say oh sorry not my thing to sleep with a guy on the first night maybe we can go on dates or something or sorry honey my ass is only for money...

But girls really make this so complicated and so comical...

Well like you said, you can have your preference...

I would not want to be with a guy who bottoms, or is a chaser That's not my cup of tea, I'm not saying being a chaser is bad, i feel honestly it's invasive in my personal life. But do as they please, Not gonna happen with me.

Just as porn is a choice.

You are comfortable with porn and being out in public, I don't.

If you like chasers, then date them. No one is stopping you.

[EvonRose]

Most transsexuals that I know only like men that are muscle heads..does that make you girls muscle chasers??

Cant answer this question because i don't like gorilla heads...

[Nicole Dupre]

I would like to know when most of the women here transition...

Transitioning at 12 growing up, still being 21 I have encountered nothing but chasers wanting to take advantage of a young, very well transiitoned trans... This goes for all the modern ts who have transitioned as well... as oppose to the older generation. I feel bad for the next generation if these chasers don't change.

It is different for girls who transition older, they don't encounter most of these crap us younger ts do. No to mention this chaser thing has been recent, I was born right dead int he center when it started to just be a cycle of never ending useless, meaningless, Fetish. And it sucks.

Now I have been told there were chasers a lot to back int eh day when ts become more prominent, however any girls can say that it;s getting worst.

It's no wonder that ts supermodel had said " we live life alone, I rather die alone" She was talking about these chasers. Now i don't think that's right, because i think even tough chasers are a majority, there are many men that don't deserve the blame. I think any ts should be able to spot a chaser with the things they say here not he boards, how they act in person, and the motives for their actions. We are not stupid. And that is what makes chasers get so mad because most of us won't give them the time of day,a nd we all have a story to to learn from.
Girl, this is the Edelweiss crowd and the Ina's Silver Swan on this forum. lol I was turning them in the mid 90's before I was even on 'mones, and it was the same shit with them. I dressed however I wanted to school, either very fem or completely like a GG. And there were cockhounds then too. They had the Edelweiss bar right down the street from my apartment on 11th Ave. And I had my own little parties with a few guys I went to SVA with, and those guys went from my place and then to Edelweiss or vice versa the same nights. I'd go outside and watch them with my roommate's binoculars as they made a left into Edelweiss and be thinking "Look at these gluttonous motherfuckers. How many transvestite dicks will they suck in one night?" lol So they were dogs then and they're dogs now. But they did bring me a few presents every time. They bought me art supplies, pot, coke, wine, etc. I ran into one about 4 years ago at Callen-Lorde. I bet he's HIV pos now. He didn't recognize me, but I'm pretty sure it was him. And you know what? I bet he's STILL sucking TS dicks; probably now more than ever. lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well like you said, you can have your preference...

I would not want to be with a guy who bottoms, or is a chaser That's not my cup of tea, I'm not saying being a chaser is bad, i feel honestly it's invasive in my personal life. But do as they please, Not gonna happen with me.

Just as porn is a choice.

You are comfortable with porn and being out in public, I don't.

If you like chasers, then date them. No one is stopping you.
Again the chaser thing is spread around to liberally...

I think a man that just sleeps with any transsexual to put the notch on his bed post would be considered a chaser...for example: Christian..even though he does it as a business..he also does it off shoots..and he likes to get with any girl out there...no matter what they look like..for that notch.

A man who has never been with a transsexual...who wants to experiment...and attracted to beautiful transsexuals..but doesn't know what end is up..and scared...is not a chaser...

That's someone trying to figure out what they want..who knows he may try it and decide this isn't for them...

I just think girls label any man a chaser..

If he has dated previous transsexuals..oh he is a chaser..even if he dated them for a long period of time..and treated them like any normal girl...

Or if he slept with other girls before..he is considered a chaser...

I just think it's just preposterous...

By the way I'm married..and I have never had issues you girls have had in dating..

My shortest relationship was a year...and my longest 6 years and I have had plenty of long term relationships..with no issue..and most of the guys were what many would consider "tranny chasers"

I grew up as a female too...I guess my experience is a lot different than yours...

[pimpdog]

Guys try and fuck any women they can, thats 99% of guys, if ts's are on his menu that doesnt mean he is a ts chaser, just a man whore dog lol.

[EvonRose]

Again the chaser thing is spread around to liberally...

I think a man that just sleeps with any transsexual to put the notch on his bed post would be considered a chaser...

A man who has never been with a transsexual...who wants to experiment...and attracted to beautiful transsexuals..but doesn't know what end is up..and scared...is not a chaser...

That's someone trying to figure out what they want..who knows he may try it and decide this isn't for them...

I just think girls label any man a chaser..

If he has dated previous transsexuals..oh he is a chaser..even if he dated them for a long period of time..and treated them like any normal girl...

Or if he slept with other girls before..he is considered a chaser...

I just think it's just preposterous...

I was a girl at 12 already... I had all my papers state I was female and the school boards, and even the church knew this. So yes. I tried t live my life as a female, but for some reason keep getting pushed with this she male bullshit. i had 60 year old guys wanting to suck my cock at 15-16 of course i have a different view on things...
By the way I'm married..and I have never had issues you girls have had in dating..

My shortest relationship was a year...and my longest 6 years and I have had plenty of long term relationships..with no issue..and most of the guys were what many would consider "tranny chasers"

I grew up as a female to...I guess my experience is a lot different than yours...

How old are you now? When did you transition? How long have you been in the sex industry?

Of course these questions come to mind with no offense to you but how you are also affected by these men. Sometimes you can get numb to it and some women just tolerate, unfortunately, like my mom we don't tolerate...

My way or the highway.

Like i said you like tranny chasers, so that's your thing... Not all of use want to be objectified for our little parts, some of us are very insecure about it, just as some if us don't like to be labeled she males because it's derogatory, or lady boys, or he/she.... But some ts are okay with that, but I tend to respect women who fight those disgraceful terms... or being objectified int hat sense.

[Nicole Dupre]

Chasers will also see gay men but never say anything to us about it. Many chasers really do use TS as a gateway to dick. Some are into also children. You find these fucked up things out over time. After a year of being a bottom for every ts provider online, suddenly they go to a gay bathhouse to take it up the ass for free. Wtf?

That's why I want no part of 99% of them. Certain people are sex addicted and pathological liars.

[MrsKellyPierce]

How old are you now? When did you transition? How long have you been in the sex industry?

Of course these questions come to mind with no offense to you but how you are also affected by these men. Sometimes you can get numb to it and some women just tolerate, unfortunately, like my mom we don't tolerate...

My way or the highway.

Like i said you like tranny chasers, so that's your thing... Not all of use want to be objectified for our little parts, some of us are very insecure about it, just as some if us don't like to be labeled she males because it's derogatory, or lady boys, or he/she.... But some ts are okay with that, but I tend to respect women who fight those disgraceful terms... or being objectified int hat sense.I transitioned at 12 - went to high school/college/cosmetology school as a female. My life is documented...

I didn't get into porn till I was 26, before that I worked regular jobs. I was a transgender activist from the age 16. I had jobs from a waitress - to a cosmetologist - makeup artist - platform artist - worked for DCFS - etc etc etc...

I am 30 now (well as of April 19th)...through out my whole life I had healthy real relationships...long term...lived together....

Relationships are hard..they aren't fairytales..you have to work at them...no one is perfect....

I don't know what you mean by "putting up with" lmao

Girl you just sound jaded...

If you don't like what you have between your legs why don't you get SRS?

I was going to a few years ago...but the chance for it to turn out ugly and for it to not work is to great...

I am happy with me..and being able to orgasm is too important to me..in my sexual relationship..

[EvonRose]

Well kelly, maybe we are different.

at 12 I already was a female, going to school, church, etc as a girl... And been harassed by these chasers...

Nicole, you know what's weird? When i was 15-16 I had so many guys soliciting to suck my cock already, sow weird...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well kelly, maybe we are different.

at 12 I already was a female, going to school, church, etc as a girl... And been harassed by these chasers...

Nicole, you know what's weird? When i was 15-16 I had so many guys soliciting to suck my cock already, sow weird...
I didn't have that experience I grew up in a town of 2500 people

I lived a pretty normal life...

I never really let the transsexual thing define me in my personal life..I just was me..

And if a guy hit on me I wasn't into - I was blunt..plain and simple..

Which I don't mind letting a guy know to take a hike..

And through all my relationships if a guy didn't wait around and show me out to dinners movies etc to get to know me...

Then he was on my no list..pretty simple

[EvonRose]

I transitioned at 12 - went to high school/college/cosmetology school as a female. My life is documented...

I didn't get into porn till I was 26, before that I worked regular jobs. I was a transgender activist from the age 16. I had jobs from a waitress - to a cosmetologist - makeup artist - platform artist - worked for DCFS - etc etc etc...

I am 30 now (well as of April 19th)...through out my whole life I had healthy real relationships...long term...lived together....

Relationships are hard..they aren't fairytales..you have to work at them...no one is perfect....

I don't know what you mean by "putting up with" lmao

Girl you just sound jaded...

If you don't like what you have between your legs why don't you get SRS?

I was going to a few years ago...but the chance for it to turn out ugly and for it to not work is to great...

I am happy with me..and being able to orgasm is too important to me..in my sexual relationship..

Well there you have it you have been sheltered from these men for most of your childhood. I got in the industry and in the scene in my childhood I have lived in major cities like Manila, in my child hood and raised in San Francsico where the ts scene is very active, And experienced the reality of the men actively on the scene, that's why i choose to be with a guy who isn't actively on the scene.

That is the Most ignorant thing to ask a ts why they won't get their sex change, You don't know when i had it scheduled do you? Or that I'm qualified already, i just want to make sure the time i do get my srs I can sustain myself for years... not all of us are financially irresponsible, we try to avoid debt, financial situations just like anyone else... I am 21 even if I decide 5 years to get my srs I will still be one of the youngest ts to get it, and still have a full life. Because Some of us have a way out, and do not want to be in the industry in our 40's...

Just like you I am qualified in other venues, that will take effect in the next year in music production. I am 21 and i got my life ahead dog me and trust me you will not see me in the industry past my 30's...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well there you have it you have been sheltered from these men for most of your childhood. I got in the industry and in the scene in my childhood I have lived in major cities like Manila, in my child hood and raised in San Francsico where the ts scene is very active, And experienced the reality of the men actively on the scene, that's why i choose to be with a guy who isn't actively on the scene.

That is the Most ignorant thing to ask a ts why they won't get their sex change, You don't know when i had it scheduled do you? Or that I'm qualified already, i just want to make sure the time i do get my srs I can sustain myself for years... not all of us are financially irresponsible, we try to avoid debt, financial situations just like anyone else... I am 21 even if I decide 5 years to get my srs I will still be one of the youngest ts to get it, and still have a full life. Because Some of us have a way out, and do not want to be in the industry in our 40's...Evon I can see why you may have difficulty in dating....you have issue with conversation..and always going towards the negative...that is all :)

Have a nice day..

[EvonRose]

Evon I can see why you may have difficulty in dating....you have issue with conversation..and always going towards the negative...that is all :)

Have a nice day..

Well I can see why you date so many chasers that never really worked. But hey let them use use you as a dormant, that's your choice.

I have a boyfriend... Fyi so thank you!

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well I can see why you date so many chasers that never really worked. But hey let them use yoga s a dormant, that's your choice.

I have a boyfriend... Fyi so thank you! There's that cattiness...
Classy...

You focus so much on negativity - I have watched you on the board...

It's a big reason I don't have transsexual girlfriends besides Foxxy and Jesse...

Or girls who can differentiate the negative and still communicate like Ashley..

Isn't it tiring girls being so negative and hateful all the time?

Just curious...

[pimpdog]

Evon all these guys offering to suck your dick, dont you enjoy getting head? guys usually offer girls oral sex in hopes of getting them horny and leading to intercourse, maybe they are just offering that, because its what they have to work with on you? The power of high testosterone is overpowering, when I was dating my first gf, id almost pass out when id see the camel toe in her daisy dukes, or see her lick her lips or something, im serious, I got a head rush, almost fucking passed out.

[pimpdog]

Btw the guy who dates a Pre op ts, and claims to hate the dick, and not wanna see it/touch it, is a fucking liar fraud, if he was so against it, he would date on of the 3 billion girls in the world with a pussy. The attraction to TS's is that they are like women on steroids(mones are steroids), the hormones are what make the opposite sex attracted.

[EvonRose]

There's that cattiness...
Classy...

You focus so much on negativity - I have watched you on the board...

It's a big reason I don't have transsexual girlfriends besides Foxxy and Jesse...

Or girls who can differentiate the negative and still communicate like Ashley..

Isn't it tiring girls being so negative and hateful all the time?

Just curious...

You call me jaded? Yet your state ts women being catty and the reason you have no TS friends? Are your serious?

Honey to me you sound like your a ts basher yourself....

I have no reason to be catty to you, I am just straight forward. Since you were the one who called me a jaded person int he first place, hmm I didn't think that was a compliment. Sorry fi my strong personality overshadows that dormant of yours but get a back bone.

[Nicole Dupre]

Regular guys who are with you, despite you being a TS, ask you why you haven't had SRS yet.

Chasers and are more inclined to blurt out "why would you ever get your dick cut off?" They're so classy.... NOT.

[MrsKellyPierce]

You call me jaded? Yet your state ts women being catty and the reason you have no TS friends? Are your serious?

Honey to me you sound like your a ts basher yourself....

I have no reason to be catty to you, I am just straight forward. Since you were the one who called me a jaded person int he first place, hmm I didn't think that was a compliment. Sorry fi my strong personality overshadows that dormant of yours but get a back bone.
I refuse to argue with you...I made my point..enough said...

I don't have ts friends cause they are crazy and many need counseling..and focus way too much on the negative..

[EvonRose]

Evon all these guys offering to suck your dick, dont you enjoy getting head? guys usually offer girls oral sex in hopes of getting them horny and leading to intercourse, maybe they are just offering that, because its what they have to work with on you? The power of high testosterone is overpowering, when I was dating my first gf, id almost pass out when id see the camel toe in her daisy dukes, or see her lick her lips or something, im serious, I got a head rush, almost fucking passed out.

Oh yes! but if sucking my dick was the only intention without any substance to that relationship, then no.

If a guy truly loves me for who i am it so happens i got a dick for now, why not? But if he leaves me after my srs for a ts who got a cock, or goes around getting dicked all the time, then it's safe to say that's a chaser.

[allurstouse]

Btw the guy who dates a Pre op ts, and claims to hate the dick, and not wanna see it/touch it, is a fucking liar fraud, if he was so against it, he would date on of the 3 billion girls in the world with a pussy. The attraction to TS's is that they are like women on steroids(mones are steroids), the hormones are what make the opposite sex attracted.

no actually they aren't like men.

[EvonRose]

I refuse to argue with you...I made my point..enough said...

You can't argue... period. You got no substance in your argument to why ts women like us avoid chaser...

[pimpdog]

BTW being female doesnt mean they have to be submissive, some of the most petite, church girls I know, will be sitting on your face, or violently shoving your head down till they bust a nut in your face.

[MrsKellyPierce]

You can't argue... period. You got no substance in your argument to why ts women like us avoid chaser... lmao you are one of those last word kind of girls...I realize that..that's why so many threads go on and on and on...with your arguing anything...

YAWN..I think my points were very relevant..some just choose to live in delusion

That the problem isn't just the men...it's THEM!

[pimpdog]

For the record, I love being the guy in the middle of girl fights, who each trys to steal away from the other by showering with wild sex, and attention lol.

[EvonRose]

lmao you are one of those last word kind of girls...I realize that..that's why so many threads go on and on and on...with your arguing anything...

YAWN..I think my points were very relevant..some just choose to live in delusion

That the problem isn't just the men...it's THEM!

You want the men on your side, that's the purpose of the thread... you want your attention so all these men can subscribe to your porn by throwing us ts women under the bus to gain your fans... You are transparent.

the reason you have no friends is cause you have no sense of sisterhood... It's all for you. So I'm not surprised you have no friends.

[MrsKellyPierce]

For the record, I love being the guy in the middle of girl fights, who each trys to steal away from the other by showering with wild sex, and attention lol.
Pimp you are trying to fuel the girls to go after you haha

With you comments

[MrsKellyPierce]

You want the men on your side, that's the purpose of the thread... you want your attention so all these men can subscribe to your porn by throwing us ts women under the bus to gain your fans... You are transparent.
Nope not at all..I've said this for years...

Before I was even in the adult world....

I feel transsexuals a whole load of them need counseling to accept themselves more..

I'm less critical of the men and more critical of my community...

And any girl that has been around transsexuals in group settings would have to agree..

Otherwise their just as evil and vile..

I don't even have a website?? What would be the point...

You are so silly...

And by the way half these men on this website don't even subscribe to sites lol

They go the free route

[allurstouse]

Chasers will also see gay men but never say anything to us about it. Many chasers really do use TS as a gateway to dick. Some are into also children. You find these fucked up things out over time. After a year of being a bottom for every ts provider online, suddenly they go to a gay bathhouse to take it up the ass for free. Wtf?

That's why I want no part of 99% of them. Certain people are sex addicted and pathological liars. Do you mean all men who have slept with men and women or a particcular one or the dl closet cases. it seem to really be a hateful comment if it's generalized

[MrsKellyPierce]

Do you mean all men who have slept with men and women or a particcular one or the dl closet cases. it seem to really be a hateful comment if it's generalized
It's just more homophobia towards bisexual men..

That's another big issue with trans women..if a guy is bi..it makes them feel manly..cause they think well if he is attracted to men..I must look like a man..they can't help it..it's just what their mind tells them...

[pimpdog]

Pimp you are trying to fuel the girls to go after you haha

With you comments Hey, girls tell always tell me they feel safer then they ever have around me, and I can fix anything that breaks, and make ANYBODY feel better when there sick, or having a bad day, otherwise im a broke loser. Im also a safe sex nazi.

[bluesoul]

It's no wonder that ts supermodel had said " we live life alone, I rather die alone" She was talking about these chasers. Now i don't think that's right, because i think even tough chasers are a majority, there are many men that don't deserve the blame. I think any ts should be able to spot a chaser with the things they say here not he boards, how they act in person, and the motives for their actions. We are not stupid. And that is what makes chasers get so mad because most of us won't give them the time of day,a nd we all have a story to to learn from.

i think this is the most insightful and meaningful thing you said so far, but then you go ahead and say this


You can't argue... period. You got no substance in your argument to why ts women like us avoid chaser...

the real crux has been hidden in your subtext all along, and your point could have been made very early on in this thread, but you've had a vendetta of getting even with everything which at times, seems almost tragic.

[EvonRose]

Nope not at all..I've said this for years...

Before I was even in the adult world....

I feel transsexuals a whole load of them need counseling to accept themselves more..

I'm less critical of the men and more critical of my community...

And any girl that has been around transsexuals in group settings would have to agree..

Otherwise their just as evil and vile..

I don't even have a website?? What would be the point...

You are so silly...

And for years your still trying to gain more fans...

That's why you have no friends cause you have no sense of sisterhood, or loyalty. Your basically throwing all the ts under the bus just to gain popularity with the male population

I am not surprised you have no ts friend...

You don't have a site, but you will one one you get money, you have also done numerous porn, and webcams, blog sites. it's not easy to read you. So again if throwing ts women under the bus for personal gain makes you happy... Good, but i see trough it.

[Yvonne183]

I can't find my post on this topic, it's lost somewhere, lol

But I think this forum might have a few lonely people about. So many posts and so many words on a subject that most people in the world could give a rats ass. And as I read old posts from years ago, it was the same topics, with just as many posts and words.

I know I am lonely and need to get out more, but even with my solitude from life I can not compete with all the posts that have been made on this forum, to me,,,, it seems like loneliness abounds.

Anyways,, fun is fun.

[MrsKellyPierce]

And for years your still trying to gain more fans...

That's why you have no friends cause you have no sense of sisterhood, or loyalty. Your basically throwing all the ts under the bus just to gain popularity with the male population

I am not surprised you have no ts friend...

You don't have a site, but you will one one you get money, you have also done numerous porn, and webcams.... it's not easy to read you.
I have loads of friends - FEMALE friends lol

And then I have Jesse and Foxxy who are fun, sweet, and just no drama...

I choose to surround myself with people aren't negative and hateful towards everything...

I mean most of the ts I have hung with complain about men 24/7...it's like shut up!

I don't need more fans..the fans I have are true to me and have stuck by me...I don't really care about that..

I was bringing up a valid point...

Just like I was gonna make a thread why trans women hate each other so much..from beginning to veteran girls..so much hate..

I try to bring up valid points on this forum...instead of the whose hotter than who and whose this and whose that crap...

I like social debates and I like opinions on topics..whether they be touchy or not...

I use all this for my blog..

[yngnwburbsguy]

I completely agree with Kelly, just saying! Kelly has always been nice and Ive noticed Evon is always negative! Just saying...

[EvonRose]

I have loads of friends - FEMALE friends lol

And then I have Jesse and Foxxy who are fun, sweet, and just no drama...

I choose to surround myself with people aren't negative and hateful towards everything...

I mean most of the ts I have hung with complain about men 24/7...it's like shut up!

Kelly you cause drama by posting in this thread...

It's not like you respectably disagreed, You threw us under the bus plain and simple and that's unsettling. And it's all for your own benefit... you gg friends are not your community, throw them under the bus as well like you did us just now... See what happens...

[pimpdog]

Why should a ts have to run around with a pack of other ts's? if the johns heard the girls talk about them, they would never give one a fucking dime! She would just have girls friends like a normal women.

[EvonRose]

I completely agree with Kelly, just saying! Kelly has always been nice and Ive noticed Evon is always negative! Just saying...

Like I said the thread was to gain male viewers.....

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly you cause drama by posting in this thread...

It's not like you respectably disagreed, You threw us under the bus plain and simple and that's unsettling. And it's all for your own benefit... you gg friends are not your community, throw them under the bus as well like you did us just now... See what happens...
Sometimes our community needs TRUTH..it's not throwing them under the bus...it's the truth...

From the years I have worked with transsexual women in activism..to hanging with the adult sex workers..in general..transsexual women are just so unhappy and need counseling to find themselves more..I don't care if you transitioned at 12 or transitioned at 60...

I think a lot of girls would be a lot less negative and we as a group of people would be better if many of us seeked inner growth..

[pimpdog]

Evon is very sweet if you know her, its hard not to stare at her lips though:(.

[yngnwburbsguy]

I thought highly of Kelly before this thread

[sosed]

After reading all those replies I could continue my first post with other pole of this jin and jang although I know my post will be mostly ignored, because I write more philosophically and this is forum on porn site, but still. As I said, we are all human being and individuals. Everyone have his/her own spirit, soul, feelings, wishes, fears, needs, etc. We are not only bodies and sex objects. Everyone have to be seen as a complete individual.

The opposite pole of individual is collective subconscious mind, which is pre-programing our conscious doing and awareness. For centuries our collective subconscious mind program us into materialism. Looking in wider pictures, we are becoming less and less humans and more and more workers, consumers, sex objects, etc. To be honest a lot of men first find out about tgirls through porn sites, videos, magazines. Porn industry and materialism reduce tgirls and maybe also other actors from human beings into sex objects and we no more see them as individuals, as human beings but just sexy bodies.

I understand negativity trans people could feel through this dehumanization. In ancient times trans persons were respected and were usually shamans or high priests/priestesses, because they were spiritually and mentally reacher with their experiences of both genders and with that closer to perfection of God. Now, they are reduced to their bodies, all other is negated.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Why should a ts have to run around with a pack of other ts's? if the johns heard the girls talk about them, they would never give one a fucking dime! She would just have girls friends like a normal women.
Lmao I'm a trans hater cause I spent years fighting for our rights...

I'm a trans hater cause I don't like to hang out with girls who have psychological issues that cause them to be so vile and hateful..

RIGHT....

And now she is trying to turn the page to I'm doing this for the guys benefit..

NO I just get tired of seeing girls constantly berating men over and over..scaring any good guy away..cause he may just be an awesome guy..that some girl with issues chased away..

[MrsKellyPierce]

After reading all those replies I could continue my first post with other pole of this jin and jang although I know my post will be mostly ignored, because I write more philosophically and this is forum on porn site, but still. As I said, we are all human being and individuals. Everyone have his/her own spirit, soul, feelings, wishes, fears, needs, etc. We are not only bodies and sex objects. Everyone have to be seen as a complete individual.

The opposite pole of individual is collective subconscious mind, which is pre-programing our conscious doing and awareness. For centuries our collective subconscious mind program us into materialism. Looking in wider pictures, we are becoming less and less humans and more and more workers, consumers, sex objects, etc. To be honest a lot of men first find out about tgirls through porn sites, videos, magazines. Porn industry and materialism reduce tgirls and maybe also other actors from human beings into sex objects and we no more see them as individuals, as human beings but just sexy bodies.

I understand negativity trans people could feel through this dehumanization. In ancient times trans persons were respected and were usually shamans or high priests/priestesses, because they were spiritually and mentally reacher with their experiences of both genders and with that closer to perfection of God. Now, they are reduced to their bodies, all other is negated.That's their choice to be treated like that. They could nicely educate the dude and then push him on his way..instead of being mean and demeaning..

I'm about unity..our community would be stronger if the men into us would stand up for us more..I think we'd have a lot more men standing up for us if we treated them more like humans...

And I'm not saying give them SEX for christ sakes..I'm saying talk to them as you would want to be spoken to..

Why demean the guy other than to make yourself feel better and to validate another reason for you to bitch about how evil men are..

[EvonRose]

Sometimes our community needs TRUTH..it's not throwing them under the bus...it's the truth...

From the years I have worked with transsexual women in activism..to hanging with the adult sex workers..in general..transsexual women are just so unhappy and need counseling to find themselves more..I don't care if you transitioned at 12 or transitioned at 60...

I think a lot of girls would be a lot less negative and we as a group of people would be better if many of us seeked inner growth..

But everything you said is a lie!

Ts women are miserable or sometimes lose hope in relationships because of chasers...

I am happy Kelly, but the truth is ts women should always have a mindset, and to protect themselves from any harm including people who use and abuse them.

That is not the truth, and you know that. your victimizing every guy who likes ts for your benefit so they stay towards you instead of other women, like you want to appear like this sweet, dime a dozen.

The truth is guys, ts women do not think all of you are chasers... So that's the truth when we speak out about this it's towards those men and we have respect for the rest...

So don't take offense to a lot of this...

[tsadriana]

I admire u Kelly ,smart ,inteligent ,beautifulll.x

[EvonRose]

Kelly your a trans hater, and you sold all of us out for your personal gain.

That's not right, gain popularity the right way like every girl here without, victimizing your community and your sisters...

[MrsKellyPierce]

But everything you said is a lie!

Ts women are miserable or sometimes lose hope in relationships because of chasers...

I am happy Kelly, but the truth is ts women should always have a mindset, and to protect themselves from any harm including people who use and abuse them.

That is not the truth, and you know that. your victimizing every guy who likes ts for your benefit so they stay towards you instead of other women, like you want to appear like this sweet, dime a dozen.

The truth is guys, ts women do not think all of you are chasers... So that's the truth when we speak out about this it's towards those men and we have respect for the rest...

So don't take offense to a lot of this...Your truth is your need to play the victim..and you focus on the negative..I don't know why..I don't know you..

But sweetheart anyone who has watched you on this board can see you how you manifest on negativity..

I don't care about who my fan is or who likes me. There are plenty that don't. I speak my mind, because I say what I mean I always have. It's not to benefit a group or a sex.

It's saying something honest..

It is the very truth from working with transsexuals and hanging with them in social settings..

[pimpdog]

Meet a guy the old fashioned way, threw a friend, a cute guy in class, whatever and its easy to avoid chasers, unless your not passable. If you meet a guy at some sleezy ts bar, offcourse he is gonna be a cock hound, who will fuck anything and everything ts.

[tsadriana]

I dont like to take sides to anyone ,i dont like to consider anyone sister ,maybe i could say a friend or a distance friend .

[MrsKellyPierce]

I admire u Kelly ,smart ,inteligent ,beautifulll.x
Awe thanks Adriana :)