All this "in the closet" remarks are missing the point, imho.

[pimpdog]

Why is somebody keeping there sex life private make them a liar? or sneaky? and why pigeonhole yourself, and make it where 90% of gg's wouldnt want you anymore? and what is with the hate for men that like ts? the old "my boyfriend is str8, tranny chasers are gross" your boy friend is NO different, the only difference is, he was just probley a better liar "oh babe, ive never been with a ts before, im a big str8 hunk, but your soooo passable , ill let you slip by just this once, and after that its back to macho women banging stud mode", its just a guy telling a girl what she wants to hear to get paid, no different then whats been going on since the beginning of time.

[giovanni_hotel]

If you're in a relationship and your GG knows you're down with TGs, that's one thing.
But it's when guys creep on the DL while already in a relationship with a GG that ticks some girls off. I think.

But yeah, if you aren't violating the boundaries of your relationship with your significant other, or are single, I don't get why it's as if some TGs expect you to publicly declare to strangers your love of trans-chicks.

[Nicole Dupre]

I don't dislike closet cases. I just laugh at them because they're funny. Losers are entertaining.

[noble1337]

i think it relates to how a lot of sexual interests are kept private. which is normal.

but if your in a serious relationship with a gg and she doesnt know, then thats kinda off i think... its not a big deal

[Nicole Dupre]

It's "not a big deal" if you're with that woman to cover up the fact that you suck cock and take it up the ass. In that case, you probably didn't even care about the woman you made the commitment to to begin with. You just kidded yourself into thinking you did. This type of thing's been going on forever.

Lots of men are secretly taking it up the ass and sucking dicks. The reason you guys are so touchy about anyone knowing is, you don't see the sheer volume of it that we do. To us, it's a joke. I assume there's at least a 50/50 chance that every man I encounter has sucked a cock or taken it in their ass, or really wants to. We would know because we see that it's not exclusive to any particular demographic. You guys wouldn't see it because it's all purely a subjective experience for you. To us, you're all no more unique than your fingerprints.

That's why I laugh at you guys. It's funny that you think anyone even cared about it in the first place, other than your family and friends who you cooperate with by keeping these charades going. But your family and friends all have skeletons in their closets too. Trust me.

[pimpdog]

I don't dislike closet cases. I just laugh at them because they're funny. Losers are entertaining.Somebody who is to much of a freak to get hired at any kind of normal job calling people losers, thanks for the laugh.

[RallyCola]

i'm not siding one way or the other in this debate because it is pointless.

i just want to point out that nicole calling closeted men losers is one thing. pimpdog turning around and calling her a freak is entirely different and personal. that's how these threads go off on tangents. people are not able to separate emotion from opinion and thoughtful posts.

[pimpdog]

Freak

1    [freek] Show IPA noun 1. any abnormal phenomenon or product or unusual object (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/object); anomaly; aberration.

2. a person or animal on exhibition as an example of a strange deviation from nature (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nature); monster.

3. a sudden and apparently causeless change or turn of events, the mind, etc.; an apparently capricious notion, occurrence, etc.: That kind of sudden storm is a freak.

4. Numismatics . an imperfect coin, undetected at the mint and put into circulation.

5. Philately . a stamp differing from others of the same printing because of creases, dirty engraving plates, etc. Compare error (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/error) ( def. 8 ) , variety (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/variety) ( def. 8 ) .

Sounds spot on to me.

[Nicole Dupre]

Ouch. That really hit closet to home it seems. lol

But the laugh's on you. I have a very real career. I'm making a nice living in a perfectly legit business that I'm now a full partner in as of November. Wtf do you do for a living and what do you earn, shithead? lol If anyone's a freak, it's a guy calling himself "pimpdog" who has to stay with a GG to maintain some charade that he doesn't take it in the ass. Now THAT is fucking funny. lol

Do you swallow sperm and kiss her with that mouth btw? ;-)

Fucking closet case loser freak. *smfh

[EyeCumInPiece]

Am i a close case??? Being into transwomen is not something ive told any friends/family but i have no problem being out in public, going out on dates, ect. To be honest, even if im going out with or dating a gg, its not something i really talk about with anyone. I kinda just considered myself private about my sex life, but if anyone would consider me a closet case, i'd like to know.

[Nicole Dupre]

Am i a close case??? Being into transwomen is not something ive told any friends/family but i have no problem being out in public, going out on dates, ect. To be honest, even if im going out with or dating a gg, its not something i really talk about with anyone. I kinda just considered myself private about my sex life, but if anyone would consider me a closet case, i'd like to know.
Big difference imo. A closet case builds a whole life based on a lie. He has a wife and kids many times who don't know that he's been having sex with men or transsexuals.

Privacy is something else.

[noble1337]

It's "not a big deal" if you're with that woman to cover up the fact that you suck cock and take it up the ass. In that case, you probably didn't even care about the woman you made the commitment to to begin with. You just kidded yourself into thinking you did. This type of thing's been going on forever.

Lots of men are secretly taking it up the ass and sucking dicks. The reason you guys are so touchy about anyone knowing is, you don't see the sheer volume of it that we do. To us, it's a joke. I assume there's at least a 50/50 chance that every man I encounter has sucked a cock or taken it in their ass, or really wants to. We would know because we see that it's not exclusive to any particular demographic. You guys wouldn't see it because it's all purely a subjective experience for you. To us, you're all no more unique than your fingerprints.

That's why I laugh at you guys. It's funny that you think anyone even cared about it in the first place, other than your family and friends who you cooperate with by keeping these charades going. But your family and friends all have skeletons in their closets too. Trust me.

i hope your not assuming i like any of those things (like taking it in the mouth/rear) or that im like the type of guy you described...unless you assume everyone here to be like that -_-.... do you?

[cc74]

"In the closet" for liking someone and not letting the world know?

Lets just avoid the topic "i wanna fuck a transgender" a sec and say a man dates a woman, why in the world would he tell her he think her best friend is sexier than her? Surely that would only hurt her! or that he finds men attractive as well (if bisexual) - something that could make her unsure about his feelings towards her. Is that feelings he keeps "in the closet" or is it just sensible to keep them private to avoid problems untill he wants to make them real?

Im not saying a man should keep quiete about it if he finds a transgender attractive, after all, the only way he can spend time to get to know her and see if it can develop into something more is by showing he accepts her, supports her and finds her attractive.

I love woman, all kinds of woman but im shallow in the sense that i cant say its all about their personality, i have to be physical attracted to them as well. It really doesnt matter if its a genetic woman, pre- or post-op transgender but i never look at a tg and think "wow, if only i could suck her cock". Im attracted to the woman not her genitals. Some might say "bisexual" etc and thats ok - thats your opinions, but at the same time i know id never find a man with a pussy attractive.

I live in a small community with zero transgenders. Why should i wear a t-shirt saying "i think Sarina Valentina is HOT" or a poster that says "id love to spend a night with Yasmin Lee" - even though her big cock scares me a little ;). Boys might tell the world they wanna fuck Mila Kunis or Salma Hayek but men is more mature than that. I honstly dont think i need to tell the world who im attracted to but if family or friends talk about transgenders im honest and either support their descision and if i find them attractive i say so as well. I remember Miriam Rivera made us talk alot about transgenders with her show "theres something about Miriam" a few years ago. I had no probs saying she was very very sexy and she could have "fooled" me 7 days a week, week after week and that shes hotter than most local girls.

Am i "in the closet" for not having fucked a tg or walked hand in hand with one at a local store? Some might think so but it really doesnt bother me. I like woman and thats it!

[Nicole Dupre]

i hope your not assuming i like any of those things (like taking it in the mouth/rear) or that im like the type of guy you described...unless you assume everyone here to be like that -_-.... do you?
Of course not. I assume nothing about people I don't know.

But I can tell you that, statistically, most guys who see TS escorts want to at least suck the girls' dicks. The ones who don't are rare.

[noble1337]

Of course not. I assume nothing about people I don't know.

But I can tell you that, statistically, most guys who see TS escorts want to at least suck the girls' dicks. The ones who don't are rare.

ok gotcha. once again youve cleared things up for me~

[Nicole Dupre]

"In the closet" for liking someone and not letting the world know?

Lets just avoid the topic "i wanna fuck a transgender" a sec and say a man dates a woman, why in the world would he tell her he think her best friend is sexier than her? Surely that would only hurt her! or that he finds men attractive as well (if bisexual) - something that could make her unsure about his feelings towards her. Is that feelings he keeps "in the closet" or is it just sensible to keep them private to avoid problems untill he wants to make them real?

Im not saying a man should keep quiete about it if he finds a transgender attractive, after all, the only way he can spend time to get to know her and see if it can develop into something more is by showing he accepts her, supports her and finds her attractive.

I love woman, all kinds of woman but im shallow in the sense that i cant say its all about their personality, i have to be physical attracted to them as well. It really doesnt matter if its a genetic woman, pre- or post-op transgender but i never look at a tg and think "wow, if only i could suck her cock". Im attracted to the woman not her genitals. Some might say "bisexual" etc and thats ok - thats your opinions, but at the same time i know id never find a man with a pussy attractive.

I live in a small community with zero transgenders. Why should i wear a t-shirt saying "i think Sarina Valentina is HOT" or a poster that says "id love to spend a night with Yasmin Lee" - even though her big cock scares me a little ;). Boys might tell the world they wanna fuck Mila Kunis or Salma Hayek but men is more mature than that. I honstly dont think i need to tell the world who im attracted to but if family or friends talk about transgenders im honest and either support their descision and if i find them attractive i say so as well. I remember Miriam Rivera made us talk alot about transgenders with her show "theres something about Miriam" a few years ago. I had no probs saying she was very very sexy and she could have "fooled" me 7 days a week, week after week and that shes hotter than most local girls.

Am i "in the closet" for not having fucked a tg or walked hand in hand with one at a local store? Some might think so but it really doesnt bother me. I like woman and thats it!
lol Well then don't worry about it imo. What you do is is your private business, right?

I didn't ask to hear a guy's life story if he saw me as a client. If they wanted to share, they shared. I didn't ask. I maintained discretion either way. Personally, I don't give a shit who's cheating on who. Just don't cheat on me or lie to me. lol

But am I impressed by a guy who isn't open enough to tell his wife what he's into? Not really. Obviously something's dysfunctional about their relationship.

Lot's of wives and GFs, believe it or not, accept their husband for who he is and what he likes. Their commitment to their relationship is bigger than him fucking any tranny escort or watching any porn. He can have his escorts and porn, and his wife understands. I don't think I could be that wife, but I respect their honesty with each other a hundred times more. But it's meaningless to me either way.

[sunairco]

The OP is conflating two separate issues. Keeping your sex life to yourself is prudent. Even str8 committed couples don't like to hear about sex with previous partners. GG's especially are touchy about that. No normal GG will tolerate anything but monogamous exclusivity with their partners be it a mistress, hook up, or prostitute. It's a threat to them and diminishes their power and value. Likewise, it's a violation of the relationship commitment that's made. Many GG's don't harbor the homophobia that men do. GG's fear the contraction of STD's from an unfaithful partner much more then the perceived notion their guy is bi or gay although the fear of HIV is worse and most likely their prime concern. The reaction is much the same as if they would discover their partner is carrying on an affair except perhaps for the legal issues surround a divorce where the association is much more reputation damning and favorable to their case. I seriously doubt any GG can see beyond the gay issue either when it comes to their men associating with a transgendered individual. GG's tend to see this as a black and white issue. It used to be that most women considered their men violating their relationship by viewing porn partly by their inability to comprehend visual stimulation as a male and partly by misunderstanding that men can just get aroused and off without desiring or comparing them to the object they are watching/fantasizing about. Now with porn ubiquitous, that's less of a matter. Many younger women have no qualms watching a lesbian, transgendered or gay video nowadays, so the discovery of their men watching/viewing transgendered porn might raise some questions in their mind that their partner might be gay or want to know about their interest. Younger women are most likely more accepting that once they realize that this is just an interest and their man doesn't act on it, it's ok and they don't feel threatened providing it doesn't interfere with their relationship. OTOH, if the guy can't perform sexually without watching or viewing porn even if it's str8, yeah, that's going to be a problem. Lots of younger women think for themselves now. Older generations were predisposed to being threatened and that a man who is discovered to have a latent interest in gay or transgendered individuals will act on them given an opportunity. There's still no shortage of marriage councilors or therapists that will emphatically insist that men have no control over their urges and it's just a matter of time, opportunity, or he just hasn't been caught. Yet it's perfectly ok in their opinion for a woman to immerse herself vicariously in romance novels or femerotica that often deals with lesbianism or rape/submission fantasy by the hours, become aroused and perhaps even masturbate, but never once give a thought on being unfaithful or predisposed to be. Younger str8 women now accept that their sexuality is "fluid" thanks to these same experts. A temorary relationship with another women is just seen as a friendship with benefits and she's not a lesbian or a closet case. Shouldn't men be given the same consideration?

[cc74]

But am I impressed by a guy who isn't open enough to tell his wife what he's into? Not really. Obviously something's dysfunctional about their relationship.

Dont flatter yourself :). I had no intention to try and impress you with my post Nicole, only try and show my point about the "in the closet" remarks. You are not my type and im not yours and we both know you dont have male friends ;).

I do think its weird how you are an expert to tell if a relationship between a man and a genetic woman is dysfunctional or not though as each time theres talk about transgender issues most men get told to shut up as they are not a transgender themself.

[Nicole Dupre]

Dont flatter yourself :). I had no intention to try and impress you with my post Nicole, only try and show my point about the "in the closet" remarks. You are not my type and im not yours and we both know you dont have male friends ;).

I do think its weird how you are an expert to tell if a relationship between a man and a genetic woman is dysfunctional or not though as each time theres talk about transgender issues most men get told to shut up as they are not a transgender themself.
I meant in general that I'm not impressed. It was rhetorical, genius. You're flattering yourself that I cared about you. Lol

And I actually do have straight male friends. Married ones. So please stfu. Thanks.

[Nicole Dupre]

The OP is conflating two separate issues. Keeping your sex life to yourself is prudent. Even str8 committed couples don't like to hear about sex with previous partners. GG's especially are touchy about that. No normal GG will tolerate anything but monogamous exclusivity with their partners be it a mistress, hook up, or prostitute. It's a threat to them and diminishes their power and value. Likewise, it's a violation of the relationship commitment that's made. Many GG's don't harbor the homophobia that men do. GG's fear the contraction of STD's from an unfaithful partner much more then the perceived notion their guy is bi or gay although the fear of HIV is worse and most likely their prime concern. The reaction is much the same as if they would discover their partner is carrying on an affair except perhaps for the legal issues surround a divorce where the association is much more reputation damning and favorable to their case. I seriously doubt any GG can see beyond the gay issue either when it comes to their men associating with a transgendered individual. GG's tend to see this as a black and white issue. It used to be that most women considered their men violating their relationship by viewing porn partly by their inability to comprehend visual stimulation as a male and partly by misunderstanding that men can just get aroused and off without desiring or comparing them to the object they are watching/fantasizing about. Now with porn ubiquitous, that's less of a matter. Many younger women have no qualms watching a lesbian, transgendered or gay video nowadays, so the discovery of their men watching/viewing transgendered porn might raise some questions in their mind that their partner might be gay or want to know about their interest. Younger women are most likely more accepting that once they realize that this is just an interest and their man doesn't act on it, it's ok and they don't feel threatened providing it doesn't interfere with their relationship. OTOH, if the guy can't perform sexually without watching or viewing porn even if it's str8, yeah, that's going to be a problem. Lots of younger women think for themselves now. Older generations were predisposed to being threatened and that a man who is discovered to have a latent interest in gay or transgendered individuals will act on them given an opportunity. There's still no shortage of marriage councilors or therapists that will emphatically insist that men have no control over their urges and it's just a matter of time, opportunity, or he just hasn't been caught. Yet it's perfectly ok in their opinion for a woman to immerse herself vicariously in romance novels or femerotica that often deals with lesbianism or rape/submission fantasy by the hours, become aroused and perhaps even masturbate, but never once give a thought on being unfaithful or predisposed to be. Younger str8 women now accept that their sexuality is "fluid" thanks to these same experts. A temorary relationship with another women is just seen as a friendship with benefits and she's not a lesbian or a closet case. Shouldn't men be given the same consideration?
Good post. I don't think men should be forced to put up with that type of double standard either. But I think people often make commitments prematurely and for the wrong reasons.

[cc74]

I meant in general that I'm not impressed. It was rhetorical, genius. You're flattering yourself that I cared about you. Lol

And I actually do have straight male friends. Married ones. So please stfu. Thanks.

My bad Nicole - and sry for the mix up. I went back to the thread i had in mind (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=65197) and noticed it was Nikka, not you, that made the remarks about "no male friends".

[Nicole Dupre]

My bad Nicole - and sry for the mix up. I went back to the thread i had in mind (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=65197) and noticed it was Nikka, not you, that made the remarks about "no male friends".
No problem.

[russtafa]

this double life must get to you blokes in the end wrecking marriages and families and yourself .the only thing i keep out of my preference is work apart from that every one knows ,they cant help but know we do shopping together and the locals all know and i don't give a fuck in fact i am proud of our relationship

[Nicole Dupre]

this double life must get to you blokes in the end wrecking marriages and families and yourself .the only thing i keep out of my preference is work apart from that every one knows ,they cant help but know we do shopping together and the locals all know and i don't give a fuck in fact i am proud of our relationship
I applaud you.

[Jackal]

Ive told some friends that some of my former gfs were transwomen but I also try to be careful since some transwomen do not want their status discussed. I think its up to them. That said, I dont tell people who seem closed minded that Im pansexual or the like; I try to avoid assholes like that.

[pimpdog]

Ouch. That really hit closet to home it seems. lol

But the laugh's on you. I have a very real career. I'm making a nice living in a perfectly legit business that I'm now a full partner in as of November. Wtf do you do for a living and what do you earn, shithead? lol If anyone's a freak, it's a guy calling himself "pimpdog" who has to stay with a GG to maintain some charade that he doesn't take it in the ass. Now THAT is fucking funny. lol

Do you swallow sperm and kiss her with that mouth btw? ;-)

Fucking closet case loser freak. *smfh

I know Nick, you legit business Genius , your the "other" type of TS, Not the one with a womens brain born in the wrong body, to you its fashion, you think your bitchy queen act is one bit like a women? your even more lost and confused then I thought, explains why your so hateful, and your fake ego, that you pretend is as big as your adams apple, we can all tell you hate yourself, I never said I had a girl who i lie to, but if telling them sleeping with TS, would group me into men who sleep with a freak like you, offcourse it would gross them out and make there stomach turn, cause truth is, the stereotype of a TS is the Freak Rupaul, Nick Dupree look, hard a masculine, If the stereotype of a Ts women was EvonRose it would be no trouble, they would understand why a man would be attracted to that, and your obsession with all men taking it in the ass, and being after the dick is understandable, because thats probley all the men you meet, as dates, or as client's, because thats all your have to offer, your void anything of female beauty, hanging breast implants and your stickly sallow pale skin doesnt help your cause, or all the pointless wack tattoo work, you look like the lead singer of some punk band, who got breast impants, stay angry Nick, like most monsters.

[Nicole Dupre]

I know Nick, you legit business Genius , your the "other" type of TS, Not the one with a womens brain born in the wrong body, to you its fashion, you think your bitchy queen act is one bit like a women? your even more lost and confused then I thought, explains why your so hateful, and your fake ego, that you pretend is as big as your adams apple, we can all tell you hate yourself, I never said I had a girl who i lie to, but if telling them sleeping with TS, would group me into men who sleep with a freak like you, offcourse it would gross them out and make there stomach turn, cause truth is, the stereotype of a TS is the Freak Rupaul, Nick Dupree look, hard a masculine, If the stereotype of a Ts women was EvonRose it would be no trouble, they would understand why a man would be attracted to that, and your obsession with all men taking it in the ass, and being after the dick is understandable, because thats probley all the men you meet, as dates, or as client's, because thats all your have to offer, your void anything of female beauty, hanging breast implants and your stickly sallow pale skin doesnt help your cause, or all the pointless wack tattoo work, you look like the lead singer of some punk band, who got breast impants, stay angry Nick, like most monsters.
Your bad guess work tells me more about you than you seem to be comfortable sharing. I apologize if I hurt your feelings. And if you like being penetrated, I don't look down on you for it. I just don't think lying to your wife is anything to brag about.

And if you have no appeciation for Irezumi and art, I understand. Again, you're revealing more about yourself than me. Thank you for sharing your fascinating philosophies and perspectives.

Best Regards,

Nicole Dupre

[Nicole Dupre]

P.S. I have absolutely no Adam's apple, but I appreciate your concern.

[pimpdog]

P.S. I have absolutely no Adam's apple, but I appreciate your concern.
Your story you tell it, your porn name should have been "nick apple".

[Ryz]

I know from first hand experience; never tell a genetic female you've been with a tranny if you're trying to pursue her.:whistle:

[SuzySnappz]

Of course not. I assume nothing about people I don't know.

But I can tell you that, statistically, most guys who see TS escorts want to at least suck the girls' dicks. The ones who don't are rare.

To add to this, in my experience probably 90% of guys who see escorts want to suck dick. (I used to think it was 100% until I ran across a few who didn't.) The ones who want to be topped are probably more like 50%.

[GrimFusion]

I know from first hand experience; never tell a genetic female you've been with a tranny if you're trying to pursue her.:whistle:

True most of the time. My woman and I have been together for about four years. I've told her, and she's told me she's curious too. We just don't mess around with threesomes and infidelity. Both of us have been burned in relationships in the past by mixing in group sex and bringing other people into the bedroom.

[Nicole Dupre]

Your story you tell it, your porn name should have been "nick apple".
Anything you say, closet case.

KOOL KEITH - Thug or What - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psFs38Sjt5w)

[Nicole Dupre]

I think the title of this thread should be "I have a delicate ego, so I lie a lot to make myself feel better. And if anyone points out that I'm a pathetic liar, I'll just lie again. I'm capable of saying anything to look good, no matter how untrue. I'm a spineless closet case, and Nicole Dupre caught it so I hate her for it. She knows how to push my buttons and make me prove to everyone that I'm a lying clown. But I have an ego on the level of a 3rd grader, so what can you expect? That's why I came up with a corny name like 'pimpdog'.

[Jackal]

I know from first hand experience; never tell a genetic female you've been with a tranny if you're trying to pursue her.:whistle:

That's true. I did it once and it did not backfire, mainly because she was very liberal, cool and understanding. So many people have ill conceived notions and prejudices about transwomen.

[RallyCola]

That's true. I did it once and it did not backfire, mainly because she was very liberal, cool and understanding. So many people have ill conceived notions and prejudices about transwomen.

too many people have ill conceived notions...but you should know your SO well enough to know how they will react. for all the men that want/need to keep it a secret...are you itching to tell your SO or quite comfortable living the lie/fantasy?

the way i see it...there are 4 categories of men

1...men that openly engage transgendered girls for relationships
2...men that openly engage transgendered girls for sex only
3...men that cheat on their SO to engage tgirls for sex
4...men that fantasize or watch tgirl porn but would never cheat.

the worst offenders are the cheaters. to these men, i ask...how your would feel if your wife ran off and paid an F2M tg for some sex.

to the men who only engage in fantasy and don't physically act on it...i guess being closeted is safer for you, but you are still lying to your wife/GF and yourself.

[Nicole Dupre]

Why would anyone even want to be with, or try to earn the respect of, a close-minded person? I can see maintaining privacy about specifics, but why tell bold-faced lies? What's there to be so afraid of? Breaking up with an attractive GG? Wouldn't you have to be a loser if you couldn't find another attractive GG anyway? That doesn't sound like it could have been such a solid relationship in the first place. So then what? Divorce papers getting served? Even if it meant getting divorced, why would you want be in that marriage?

I dunno. I don't understand men and their silly world of lies. If you lie once, you'll lie again and you'll lie to anyone, even yourself. That's why I have no respect for the OP. He sounds like he's actually proud of it.

[Jackal]

Why would anyone even want to be with, or try to earn the respect of, a close-minded person? I can see maintaining privacy about specifics, but why tell bold-faced lies? What's there to be so afraid of? Breaking up with an attractive GG? Wouldn't you have to be a loser if you couldn't find another attractive GG anyway? That doesn't sound like it could have been such a solid relationship in the first place. So then what? Divorce papers getting served? Even if it meant getting divorced, why would you want be in that marriage?

I dunno. I don't understand men and their silly world of lies. If you lie once, you'll lie again and you'll lie to anyone, even yourself. That's why I have no respect for the OP. He sounds like he's actually proud of it.

Good point although I was not married to the woman I was referring to in my own case...still, if someone can't respect transgender individuals or people attracted to them, then I don't see why they deserve respect either.

[bluesoul]

Wouldn't you have to be a loser if you couldn't find another attractive GG anyway?

on a forum where a majority of the men pay for sex, isn't this question a little unfair?

[FreddieGomez]

i'd never ask but i doubt any genetic chick would want to be with a ts attracted man unless she was bi herself and likes trannies as well.